♪ emily: i am emily chang in san francisco and this is "bloomberg technology." coming up in the next hour, ev stocks get a boost as president biden's mounts a major push to accelerate the adoption of electric cars. tesla shares rise before closing down. we will talk about that all with wedbush's dan ives. plus, the global chip shortage. how bad is it? how long will it last? more for my interview with ibm's ceo, arvind krishna.

and social media spreading anti-science skepticism. how facebook and instagram are actually fanning the flames around misinformation for the covid vaccine and anti-vaxxers targeting women. all of those stories in a moment, but u.s. stocks touching record highs. bloomberg's kriti gupta has the whole picture. break down the day. kriti: emily, you saw a lot of green on the screen. the s&p 500 in the green. positive trading. a lot of it on the surface looks very tech driven. you see the new york faang index, so up 1.4%. not substantially higher than the s&p 500 and that is because you saw a lot of sectors in the green, not just tech. even energy at the top of the pack. i really want to show you what the ev space was doing and has been doing. and what it has been doing for the past year. the big question going into today's market session was how much of biden's infrastructure plan and push into evs was priced into the market.

just look at this tchart here. you see back during the election, you see this major run up until some stagnation, so that tells you that there has been a lot of it priced into the markets. the question is when we come back and start that new quarter positioning on monday, will we see that ev space continue to rally? let's look at the boards. i want to show you some of the other pieces of the readthrough from biden's talk. semiconductors at the top of the pack. we know they have been rallying from the chip shortage and having another massive day, up 3.7%. he was also extremely tough on china. some very targeted comments towards that country. didn't really translate into that chinese adr. the nasdaq golden dragon index housing the likes of alibaba, baidu, also doing pretty good. the nasdaq biotech index was rallying, with even the big tech and things like semiconductors. emily: kriti, thanks so much for that roundup. bloomberg's kriti gupta.

meantime, after a hard year for most ev stocks, most getting a boost as president biden mounts a major push to speed up the adoption of electric cars. the president's infrastructure proposal unveiled this week allocates $174 billion to ev's, including tax rebates for consumers, in addition to various industry incentives. for more, let's bring in dan ives. what does this actually mean for electric car companies, specifically tesla? dan: yeah, this is going to kick off the green tidal wave. in terms of tesla and gm, the reason it is important is they are going to whip the ceiling on the 200,000 where now you will see tax credits are stored for tesla and gm. we believe that the 7500 goes to 10,000 or potentially more. this is the start of what i believe is a $5 trillion

market with biden kicking off the green tidal wave in the u.s., which is underperforming when we compare it to china and europe. emily: so why this reaction in the shares today? they popped a bit before closing down about 1%, why did investors react that way? dan: if i look out, i think that ev stocks are up 30% to 40% from these levels. because what we are seeing in china, you see around china is continuing to see skyrocketing growth. potentially that could be 40% of sales. you combine that with what we are seeing in europe across the board and of course, now in the u.s., i think this is just the start. i believe that is near term and all of the good news starts as we see more deliveries and numbers over the coming weeks.

emily: you cover uber as well and i am curious what trends you see post-pandemic for car ownership, car purchases versus ridesharing? dan: i think for now, especially on the reopening play, the names like uber and lyft continue to be front and center despite some of the headwinds in the u.k. no doubt, for ride sharing, i think we are seeing more and more, especially in urban areas as there is an urban migration, that is a benefit for names like uber, but when we look at car ownership, i think we will see auto sales spike over the coming year in terms of reopening, but it is important that we will see a transformation on ev. today, 2% of automobiles in the u.s. are ev and that goes to 10% in the next four to five years. which is why right now it is just the start of a massive ecosystem really being built out on the autofirm.

emily: what about tech more broadly? are big cap tech stocks really reopening plays or is the incredible rise over the last year, are we going to see that change? dan: i think the selloff has been overdone. i know we have talked about it. in our opinion in terms of the reopening, you take a step back, a digital transformation to the shift of the cloud, we are talking to trillion dollars in the next decade. amazon, microsoft, google and across the whole ecosystem with cybersecurity and others. there are poster childs seeing moderate growth, but i think we are going into a golden age for tech. in terms of where we're going to see spending. the next three to four weeks, tech will rally significantly. in terms of earnings. that starts, what we believe, is a rally towards the nasdaq 16,000. emily: does regulation concern you? we just saw the ceo's of

alphabet, facebook, twitter testify on capitol hill and more scrutiny is coming. dan: definitely on big tech in the beltway, especially in section 230, which is broader in antitrust, we are seeing those swirls -- and i think it is a contained risk. no doubt this is going to be a long, 12 round battle, but the biggest risk for attack continues to be china. the u.s.china tech war right now. we think about 10% risk right now with discount tech given the view that biden was going to be softer on china, and as we have seen, it has been the opposite, so that's really going to be a fork in the road situation over the coming months. emily: talk to us about some of your other more unsung tech reopening plays. you highlight in your notes, okta, docusign, crowdstrike -- talk about some of the names we do not talk about as often

that you think will surprise us. dan: i think on health care, there is a name like nuance. more and more, we will see health-care care spending increased amount on cloud. a new pure play on health care. that could be a re-rating stock, ultimately 60, $70. another name i like on the reopening is sarenza, which is an autoplay. this really directly benefits in terms of what we see. i think it will be more and more driven internationally in terms of that almost being an auto cloud play, so i love those two front and center. and some other names on the cybersecurity side, hybrid environments 30% to 40% working from home potentially, you will see names like salepoint on the cybersecurity side i think get another big lift as we are starting to see it out in the markets. emily: where do you think we end 2021?

dan: i think the ball drops in times square, nasdaq 16,000. i think tech stocks rally 30% from here. and it is my view, this has been a golden buying opportunity. i get the whole rotation trade, 50 bit move in the 10 year, does not change the multi-year bullish view in ev, so i think this will start to play out in the coming weeks with numbers that i think will really surprise the street on the upside. emily: all right, well, always love that you come to us with specifics, dan. thanks dan ives, appreciate it. appreciate it. meantime, investors are showing their loyalty to the famed ark investment manager cathie wood, adding a billion dollars in a single day this week. her ark innovation etf took in a record $717 million on tuesday.

meantime, the other took in another billion dollars on its first day of trading. coming up, ibm ceo arvind krishna took over when the world was in turmoil amidst pandemic lockdowns. i speak with him next about the company's next chapter and when quantum computing will truly transform the industry. this is bloomberg.

♪ emily: as vaccines are administered around the world and pandemic restrictions loosen, companies are trying to chart a path forward. ibm's ceo, arvind krishna, says that he expects 80% of their employees worldwide will go back to work in a hybrid model.

in an in depth interview, i asked arvind what the next chapter of ibm looks like and how the global chip shortage is impacting their work. we started with ibm shares and whether that will be a measure of his success. arvind: investors only have the one measure, which is the stock price, and that is a definite part of the company's report card and my report card. and the company's report card. let's step back. there is a strategy of what you do and then they how you do it. we are going to be a hybrid cloud and ai company, and then i would say with quantum into the future. the first thing we did is we sort of took out, and we are going to spinout and manage our infrastructure business, so that is a part of the service, so the pieces that fit the most stay here. the pieces that don't, we will spin out to get value for our investors. next, how do you lean into

being more of a hybrid and cloud company? we are leaning and with organic and inorganic investments. we have completed 10 acquisitions in the last 11 months and 25 days. that is one step, but you have also opened up money for investment in terms of are we going to invest both in our own organic innovation as well as our partners. i announced a billion-dollar fund that we are going to work with partners to enable them on our platform. you begin to put those things together and say, ok, you are increasing investment, you are focusing the company, you are spinning out pieces, you are acquiring companies, you are increasing your ecosystem with partners and those should all result in revenue growth in the medium term. now, you put all that together, and then you begin to say that that is how you are going to value the company

and my goal is that to create a hybrid cloud platform that is even more vibrant than the mainframe in the past, which is two platforms we had a lot of success with. emily: i know you are super excited about quantum and i speak to many people who say they do not think that quantum is coming anytime soon. when will we see quantum truly transform the industry? arvind: i give it a three to five year time period, which is not that long. you always got to keep your eye on the economic opportunity. i think the economic opportunity, not just for us vendors, but for the people who use it, is in the $450 to $550 billion range within the decade. so how much of that do those of us that produce the technology get? if i go to all other

technologies, 20% seems like a reasonable number. the leaders in quantum stand to get as much as 100 billion dollars somewhere in the next decade. you say, when is it going to happen? i think it is quite real, so today you are having computers that are measured in cubits, quantum bits, 30, maybe 60 is the range for this year. we just announced a partnership with a cuban clinic who wants to use quantum computing, and that is an example where it's real problems. i will agree with you, it is not necessarily a commercial advantage or other forms of cloud computing today. i think that period will come in the next three to five years. we put out a roadmap to say we put out 1000 bits quantum computer in 2023. i think that is a bold goal. i think it's hard. i will not tell you that we have every problem solved, but i have tremendous pride and

confidence in our scientists and engineers. by the way, engineers are as important here as physicists to get these working in our time period, and that is where i will believe that we get on the roadmap towards that billions of dollars of advantage that i mentioned. emily: big news in chips recently. you are doing a partnership with intel as they are doubling down on manufacturing, doubling down on a foundry business. given all of the many industries that ibm is involved in and all of your diversity of clients, how devastating has the chip shortage been, and how much longer do you think it will last? arvind: so, whenever you get a constraint in the supply chain and you find that the sources and the manufacturing is down to one or two regions, this is going to last a few years. this is not a few months or a few weeks. so, we should be clear about the impact. it is going to last that long.

then you say you want to solve it, so we are working together with intel because we do believe that there should be alternate sources of fabrication and we do believe there should be competitive advantages in the more advanced nodes that are to come. we have a lot of work on 5, 3, 2 nanometers to categorize where we are. just by the way, the world today is at 10 and seven nanometers. we are talking about the next generation. we will bring our advanced r&d into intel, who will use the fabrication plant to produce at scale. we believe that is a great way to work together. we also believe that that will allow us together to be much better positioned to compete for the money that are in the chip stocks, endless frontiers, as well as the national semiconductor technology center, so those are all of the opportunities in front of us that can result from the work we do together to advantage competitiveness

within the nation. emily: ibm ceo arvind krishna there. you can catch the full interview at bloomberg.com. all right, coming up, anti-vaccine groups on social media have a new target, women, and they have been quite effective. details next. as we head to break, let's take a look at the original faang stocks all in the green. the benchmark s&p 500 closing above 4,000 for the first time. tech shares leading those gains. this is bloomberg. ♪

>> just 12 accounts on facebook, twitter, and instagram account for 65% of all the vaccine misinformation on your platforms. why in the midst of a global pandemic that has killed over a half a million americans

that you have not taken these accounts down? emily: congressman mike doyle of pennsylvania expressing frustration to the ceo's of facebook, alphabets, and twitter at last week's house hearing claiming that the social networks have chosen not to take down accounts that spread vaccine misinformation. in our latest edition of "bloomberg businessweek," we found that the influence of anti-vaxxers have reached a particular demographic, women, especially women looking to become mothers. i want to bring in sarah kopit, who helped write the story. the story was absolutely fascinating. why have anti-vaxxers picked women as a target? sarah: it's really because it worked the last time. women have been the target of anti-vaxxers for quite some time because originally, it was with mothers and their babies with the mmr, measles,

so the anti-vaxxers used the same playbook that they had used previously because it works so well and that is what we are seeing right now, and it is resonating among so many women that my partner and i talked to for this piece. emily: what did the women tell you? because i understand that you got a lot of different reasons from women who were not getting the vaccine, and of course, the possibility of not being able to have a child was high on that list? sarah: yeah. we heard the gambit really. the most prevalent one was around safety. people took an exception to how quickly the vaccine was produced, how they wanted to wait and see really, and that is vaccine hesitancy as a definition. that was a really big chunk. the fertility part was very interesting as well.

a lot of that stemmed from a blog that showed up on social media in early december of last year, and that blog claimed wrongfully that the vaccine inhibits women's fertility. that really found itself all over the social platforms. that was just weeks before the emergency authorization was issued that allowed this vaccine to be given right at first to nurses and to first responders. and it was a lot of those nurses that we talked to at first. we went to nursing facebook groups, we went online and we saw the conversations they were having, and nursing as a profession skews very female. that is what they were talking about, questions about, well, if i am trying to become pregnant or if i am pregnant already, should i just wait? and that is vaccine hesitancy. emily: i just want to add that there is no evidence that the vaccine has a negative effect on women or pregnant women or can harm a woman's

fertility. in your view, just as an observer, how are facebook and instagram responsible? are they responsible for how this has proliferated on their platform? sarah: so, they are certainly trying at this point, but their algorithms, their business model, what they try to do is they try to reward really engaging posts, and that is what drives what you see on the platform. and we know just because of how we have studied this information over all of these years that lies really do spread faster than the truth. it is more interesting, more titillating a lot of times. we saw this with -- when this fertility blog went out, pfizer did come back with an answer to this question, does it affect fertility? and they gave a very robust, scientific answer full of scientific jargon that we

reference in the piece, and it is hard for that type of language to really resonate on social media. we say that the people who are giving the information have to do a little bit better. they have to live in this world where, you know, social media memes, that is what spreads. the scientific community and the companies, they hadn't quite caught onto that yet. emily: all right, well, a fascinating piece, definitely worth your time in this edition of "bloomberg businessweek." sarah kopit, thank you for sharing your story. coming up, the first company solely focused on quantum computing is going public. why the technology may soon be mainstream. that is next. this is bloomberg. ♪

emily: welcome back to bloomberg technology. let's get a recap of the markets. they move today with bloomberg's abigail doolittle in new york. abigail: tech was the story today. gal performance particularly for the shift, stocks of performing almost near its all-time high. one piece of this, taiwan's semi conductor, they have boosted their -- their spending plan. that put a big bid under the

other ship names, because they make the machinery that makes the ship. often that is seen as an early tell. the fact that you have lam research and applied materials end other semi cab equipment companies. plus in joe biden's infrastructure plan, president biden's infrastructure plan, 50 billion dollars dedicated to chip manufacturing, trying to bring more chip is back. so the chips really grew. it is interesting, relative to green power, there is a split action. on the morning, huge surges in these spaces overall because you can make the case that roughly $460 billion of that same plant in one way or the other is dedicated to climate change, improving the climate, green power, ev space. we see a close on the nexo fuel cell power. some of that could be too far, too fast. just since president biden was elected last november, up more than 900% at one point.

pretty incredible. then let's rounded out with the biggest tech names. here's why we had the big outperformance for the nasdaq on the day, along with the s&p 500 near the top sectors. it is all about your biggest companies, microsoft getting that 22 billion dollar contract from the army, ringing the other make a cap higher with it. this is a catch up trade, tech doing not so great on the year, but right now investors seem to one in. emily: abigail doolittle, thanks so much for that roundup. from finance to farming, space travel and cars, the world depends on computers to deliver numbers and automate the world's most complex systems. but these computers can only do so much, and as technology and ai become more present, the demand for more powerful commuting is -- powerful computing is taking off.

on some computing -- the ability to compute information in a way that would never be possible with a conventional theme. it can calculate scenarios at an exponentially faster rate than the common computer. these advances are drawing the eyes of investors, like niccolo the mousy, who joined us -- niccolo dimasi, who joined us back in december. >> probably something in cloud computing, ai computing, something like quantum computing, cloud networking. the kinds of technology that underpins the future of mobile. emily: that third company he was talking about -- ion q making it the first public company solely focused on quantum computing. we are joined by the ceo, peter chapman.

so why back and why now? peter: well, as you mentioned, quantum computing is an entirely new paradigm of computing. and there is significant investment to bring it to market. in giving access to capital and resources makes possible -- emily: so mainstream quantum computing, though, how close is that really? we heard from the ceo of ibm earlier. he is bullish on it, three to five years. i spoke to another ceo who is in a position to know, who says it is a long ways off. peter: first i would say that different technologies have different horizons. we also look out three to five years, but there is other technologies in quantum which are still 30 years away.

i do think that this is -- the companies that make the devices are probably -- they probably have the advantage point in terms of being able to predict whether they can bring a product to market. emily: how do you believe quantum computing will change our lives as we know it? how will they tackle real-world problems? what will be possible as a result? peter: quantum computing, many people expect quantum computers will be able to solve any of mankind's grand challenges, everything from direct carbon capture to no battery, solving a stronger ai, including machine learning. since we are talking about just a much bigger computer, and it is hard to say -- i do think it

is an interesting question. if you were to go back to intel and ask them in the 1970's what they would think the microprocessors would be used for, they could not really for see the internet or cell phones happening. i think the same thing is happening today for quantum. there's a bunch of things we know about today that we use classical computers for, but i think 20 years from now we will look back at this, we will look at my answer and we could not have imagined x, y, and zero. -- x, y, and z. emily: you mentioned carbon capture, and i know bill gates is one of your investors. you also worked as the director for amazon prime for many years. how could quantum computing revolutionize a company like amazon? peter: quantum computing is good

for solving optimization problems with a cost function. many business problems could be turned into an optimization product. for example, what is the optimal route to deliver a package to a consumer. that is something that logistics would be interested in because if you can just shave off time from a driver's delivery route come you can save a lot of money. for something like amazon, on the amazon.com side, they should have a lot of logistics attributions for quantum. you mentioned bill gates. things like carbon capture, better batteries, and even chemical applications. it turns out that in the production of fertilizer, about

1% of all the carbon emission, but bacteria know how to do it without any action. we just don't have a computer that can do that model, but with a quantum computer we will be able to do it. we can unlock without hurting the environment. these things are possible. emily: not to get too deep, but do you think quantum will get us closer to the singularity where computers won't just be able to process the things we want to but will actually be able to understand? what we are asking them to do? peter: before i started at amazon, i worked -- i am very familiar with with the singularity. the short answer is, yes, strong

ai, and i think there is good reason that computers will be able to unlock that as well. that is a little speculative today, but -- emily: fascinating. we will be watching. peter chapman, i on q president ceo. thanks for joining us. coming up, apple's much-anticipated conference. we are looking at the second year in a row, what we can expect. that is next. this is bloomberg. ♪

emily: apple's worldwide develop and converse is in june for the second time. it usually marks attendees flying from all around the world and networking with other like-minded apple fans. bloomberg tip's -- bloomberg tech's mark gurman -- mark joins us now with more. what can you tell us about the event so far this year. how with the rollout? mark: wwdc is apple's most important event of the year. this is where they outline their roadmap for the next 18 months or so. it always gives an indicator of

new hardware to come. this year, unless apple shows an early preview of their upcoming headset, i think it is going to be a somewhat muted event. not expecting major updates to ios or mac oh. i think the updates will be on the more moderate side this year. perhaps an update to the software that runs the apple watch and the appletv software, but there is also a bunch of new max in the pipeline, the new -- new macs in the pipeline. perhaps the developer conference will be a good time to usher those in. overall i think it will be an exciting event for the apple faithful, but i'm not anticipating anything major unless there is that preview of the headset. emily: how do you anticipate apple events will change going forward? i mean, will they always be remote, or will they come back in their full glory with no changes at all? peter: i think apple events --

>> i think apple events are going to come back into the regular format as soon as possible. they will blend the virtual events with the in person events. what was great about being hands-on, being in person, i think they will throw in a lot more video on the big screen in the auditorium they are presenting in to give that virtual flavor. it will have video of other engineers discussing products, they will have video of people going inside the labs to take a look at how the products are developed. you will see a nice combo there in the years to come. emily: now, amazon and google have talked more publicly about their return to work plans. we have not heard as much from apple. what do you know about apple's plan and tim cook's desire for employees to get back to the office? mark: from the beginning, the push to was to get apple staff

back to the office as soon as possible. apple has not really talk about this, but there have been apple employees still in their headquarters and offices around the world for essential functions from the very beginning come all the way from march at the height of the pandemic. they are using a four-phase approach to return people to the office. phase one where the essential workers there from the beginning. right now the company is still in what they call phase 2, meaning some employees are able to go in if they like into the office and worked during certain hours or certain days of the week, but there has yet to be a full force approach to push everyone back to the office. i am expecting that to happen as early as the end of june into july after the developers conference. emily: meantime, it is apple's 45th birthday, and tim cook set a letter to the company that you obtained. he talked about the tradition of making transformative products, redefining technology. 45 years later we mark this

occasion, he writes, they rededicate ourselves to that mission in keeping it alive for a long time to come, rather than to remember it fondly as something -- what do you think will define the next generation of am -- of apple product under tim's leadership. mark: under tim's leadership, we're talking perhaps the next five years or so. the three remaining things are smart homes, new cohesive devices. the next thing would be headsets. the ar headset that will go on sale next year, and later on, probably toward the end of the 10 years, they will launch the ultimate ar glasses, which should be a pretty hut cellar down the road. and i think further out from there, it will probably be a self-driving car or electric car or some sort -- of some sort. those of the big areas i am looking at with the rest of tim

cook's leadership. emily: if all that comes to pass, it will be an exciting five years that he continues to run the company. mark gurman, as always, thank you for joining us. the time, we got breaking news. president biden's aid says april 12 is a summit with various companies to discuss a chip shortage that we have been talking about for weeks on this show. president biden and his aides saying april 12 for a summit to discuss the chip shortage with various companies, companies invited to this meeting include samsung and gm. according to bloomberg sources. we will bring you more headlines as we get them. still ahead, in a pandemic world where more transactions are occurring digitally, financial climes have surged. we will -- fights financial crimes using ai, and an

impressive new funding round. and a reminder to stay with lumber for our special programming around the u.s. jobs report friday. martin walsh, labor secretary, joins a panel of economic experts friday morning. this is bloomberg. ♪

emily: as the world undergoes a massive wave of digitization accelerated by the pandemic and ai risk platform has seen a 600% increase in financial account takeover scans and a 200% increase in online banking fraud attacks. joining us to discuss solutions is the founder, of a company that read -- that raised $250 million. talk to us about how much and what kinds of activity you are

sitting that you are seeing heading into 2020? >> first of all, thank you for having me. as you mentioned, these impressive numbers have increased, and if you compare q1 with q4 of last year, the amount in fraud scams -- 250% online fraud scams. the amount of impersonations, someone trying to pretend to be you to gain access to your financial services, to gain access to your credit card come over 600%. it was already happening, but with the acceleration to digital, that was forced upon us, and particularly the financial services area, it truly blew up. that basically increase the demand for these type of solutions. emily: so the un-implement system was plagued by 63 billion dollars in fraud as unemployment was doled out to millions of americans amidst the pandemic.

how does your technology -- how could your technology help? nuno: i cannot say too much about that, but with high security systems like the one you mentioned, making sure that the money flows to the consumer. that is where it needs to go. not only is it in a efficient way but in a safe way. we work with organizations to make sure that they wherever they wire money, that the checks are being sent to people. that we get them to the right people to make sure that they land in the hands of the people who deserve it, ed -- not used for -- and not only -- in many regions throughout the globe. emily: talk to us about your coming plans. any plans to go public? nuno: it is interesting.

we have been approach last year by a number of firms, and the same way they showed -- they chose us, and we are becoming the leader in this space, we chose them because they are in line with our vision. with the differences that they work on, what they ensure is that they understand where we want to go. our vision is to ensure that we become the platform for financial crime waste management. all the touch points from the consumer, from the moment they open an account. 5% of the money that flows into financial services is used for money laundering. we make sure that that doesn't happen, or that that stops. they have realized that we will be the company that becomes that player. my intention is to be that independent company.

with an ipo or that mechanism -- we will see, but clearly they are betting on us winning this market the same way we are executing to them. emily: all right, we will be watching. feed -- feedzai co-founder nuno sebastiao, thank you for joining us. april 12 has been announced as a day for a summit on the chip shortage that has been so devastating to the tech industry, sources say copies invited to the meeting include samsung and gm and we are with the -- we are looking to find out more. next week, a very special program all about the semi conductor shortage. it is called chip crunch. we will have the conversation with the ceo. the blessed -- the best of bloomberg news, 5:00 p.m. in the u.k., 5:00 a.m. in asia. the ceo and cofounder, covering

the decade-long journey from being a search engine to a company that is everything from cloud computing to producing autonomous cars. that is tomorrow across bloomberg television. that does it for this edition of "bloomberg technology." thank you for joining us. this is bloomberg. ♪

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