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announcer: from the heart of where innovation, money, and power collide, in silicon valley and beyond, this is "bloomberg technology" with emily chang. emily: i am emily chang in san francisco. this is "bloomberg technology." president biden chose cleveland to deliver a speech on the economy and his proposed $1.9
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trillion infrastructure and investment plan. for more on what that plan entails, are audiences -- that plan entails for our audiences, welcome to the u.s. commerce secretary gina raimondo thank you for joining us. president biden said his economic plan is working to bring america out of the pandemic, but we need to invest more in education and infrastructure to stay competitive. what are the musts that you believe need to be included? sec. raimondo: thank you. this is about rebuilding for the future. the president's right, the rescue package is working. it is pulling us out of the pandemic, creating 500,000 jobs a month, which is a fantastic pace, but we need to prepare for the future. we need to invest in childcare so that people can go back to work. we still have 2 million women that have dropped out of the workforce. we have to make sure every american has access to broadband. the president is calling for
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historic investments in broadband. it is not acceptable we have millions of americans without access to broadband. we need to invest in job training, apprenticeships, so people can have the skills they need. we need to invest in manufacturing, so we make critical goods such as semi conductors in america again. so it is not enough to pull ourselves out of the pandemic. it is time to rebuild our infrastructure for the future so americans can compete and our children have a chance. emily: and yet, the counter offered by republicans does not seem higher than the original. where is the progress and how long is it worth to continue negotiations? sec. raimondo: yes. i should say we have to give them credit. i have been involved in these discussions and negotiations. they are operating in good faith.
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they came back with a higher number. it is progress. if i said a few months ago that republicans would be coming back to the president with a $1 trillion counteroffer, you might not have believed it. we are still at the table. we are trying. it is not enough. they are not very clear about how they propose to pay for it. the president has been crystal clear. we will not tax or burden middle-class americans. our job is to stay at the table and to find some common ground, so we will continue to do that. emily: the president talked about how the administration is working to combat supply issues, issues with computer chips, and america cannot innovate without chips. you just held a summit with the companies that supply chips and the companies that need chips, google, amazon, carmakers.
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what is the next step? sec. raimondo: right now, the piece of legislation which would fund the semi conductor fund at $52 billion is on the senate floor. i was talking with senators before i came over here, and there is a sense of optimism that this will get across the finish line as early as today or tonight to fund the chips fund at $52 billion that would come to the department of commerce. it still has to get through the house, but at this point, there is broad bipartisan recognition that we can't afford not to do this. think about your own life. everything you do relies on chips, your phone, appliances, computer, car, ai, so we have to
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get it done and i believe we will get it done. emily: are you getting what you need from the industry on that front? sec. raimondo: yes. thank you. as you mentioned, i convened over 35 ceo's last week, leaders in the semiconductor industry. they have been very collaborative and leaning in to find a solution to this problem. it is an economic security problem, national security problem. i have to say thank you to everyone we have been engaged with. they have been great partners. this will require public-private partnership. government can't fix this problem alone. the private sector needs to be there. i think they will be. emily: gm just announced it is restarting production at several plants that have been idled due to the chip shortage. meantime, you've got covid cases rising in taiwan, which is the
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heart of the semi conductor industry. could that impact supply, and will be u.s. do anything to help? sec. raimondo: you put your finger on a very important problem, which is we are heavily dependent on a company called tsmc, which is based in taiwan, for a high percentage of our semiconductors, which is exactly why we need to make semiconductors in america. it would be our plan to build another six or seven manufacturing operations in america over time so that we won't be so vulnerable to relying overly on one company or one country. emily: so, speaking of countries, obviously improving infrastructure, improving supply chains improves competitiveness. the administration has been
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reviewing its approach to china. when will we hear more about the findings and the strategy? sec. raimondo: this is an ongoing process, more than a process with a particular big announcement or deadline. we are doing it now. talking about semi conductors, that is core to our strategy. we need to invest in america. the president's jobs plan is about competing with china, improve our education system, our infrastructure, invest in manufacturing. the way to compete with china is to run faster and invest in america. in terms of defense, we have not slowed down. in my department, we have continued to add chinese companies to the entities list. we have subpoenaed a number of
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chinese companies to extract information from them and do what we need to do to protect american industry. emily: the colonial pipeline hack has raised awareness about the vulnerability of our infrastructure to cyberattacks. what is the biggest risk for businesses here and what does your budget due to address this? sec. raimondo: yes. unfortunately, this is a large and growing risk to u.s. businesses. i think colonial was a wake-up call to all american businesses that they need to do more. i think particularly smaller businesses, for whom it is difficult, need to invest more. we are investing heavily at the commerce department in shoring up our own cybersecurity, as well as researching cyber and cyber technology so we can continue to make ourselves more secure. emily: now, the president today emphasized how the administration is working to protect small businesses from
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anticompetitive forces. the u.s. has concerns about big u.s. tech companies and their powers. europe has expressed those concerns. will big tech regulation be on the agenda for the g7? sec. raimondo: that is a better question for the treasury secretary or others. for my part, i would say we are heavily engaged with the eu in discussions around privacy, privacy protection of data, tech regulation, and our collaboration and partnership with europe is important for companies on both sides of the atlantic. so, we are working. i am in constant contact with tech companies in america big and small to make sure their interests are represented, but
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also with our counterparts in europe to make sure. we are allies. we have the same values. we believe in privacy. we believe in openness. we are working hard with the europeans to come to a common set of values so that we can continue to operate across the atlantic. emily: all right. on behalf of our bloomberg tv and radio audience, thank you so much. u.s. commerce secretary gina raimondo. secretary, appreciate you taking the time. all right, turning to how u.s. markets performed on the day. i want to get to our bloomberg markets reporter in new york. walk us through what happened. >> a little bit of a mixed picture. some green on the screen when you're looking at the s&p 500, but when you are looking at tech, a lot of red. the nasdaq was hit harder than the faang index.
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the notable outperfomer was the meme stocks. that seems to be where the action was. amc, one of those meme stocks, hit a $10 billion valuation since the gain in january. that idea, maybe the retail bid is in the past now, not so much. this chart from your to date -- year to date, that blue line is an index of those stocks, restricted stocks, gamestop, amc, etc. the bottom is the s&p 500. you can see the outperformance is not only maintained, but you are seeing more of an uptick recently. talking about speculation and volatility, we have to talk about crypto. i want to show you what bitcoin is doing on a one-month basis, because i remember that big hit it took. not a huge move up or down, -- or down, just hanging in there.
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we will wait to see if that pattern continues. emily: all right, thank you so much. hanging in. coming up, all eyes on amazon. as more states build an antitrust case against the e-commerce giant, this after washington dicey -- d.c. files the we will talk about which first. attorney generals could be next. this is bloomberg. ♪
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mounting state inquiries. we know washington, d.c. came out first. it was slightly unusual not to have other states on board. what do we know now about what other states are looking into? >> now we are seeing more states join the dog pile, massachusetts, pennsylvania, connecticut, all looking at amazon in some way or another. i don't have any indication they are looking at different things. they may choose to break up the investigation differently, but you figure amazon's practices affect consumers in all states equally. emily: i want to listen to part of our conversation with the washington, d.c. attorney general, where he talked about why they brought this case forward. take a listen. >> this is a d.c. case that d.c. attorneys and our counsel work ed on for over a year.
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we engaged with amazon the best we could to establish a cooperative relationship together documents and analyze the case. at the end of the day, we felt like the case needed to be brought. emily: i asked the attorney general if he had heard from other state's attorneys general. it was the one question he did not want to get to, so he presumably heard from other states. do we know what states might be considering bringing action at this point? >> no, we have reported new york and california were collaborating with the federal trade commission, so there is definitely some collaboration is going on. what they would look at precisely is unclear. what i am hearing from folks involved in this that there is interest in amazon's algorithm
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on its marketplace, how amazon decides what you see when you enter certain search terms, and is that algorithm unfair, is it in the best interest of the consumer or amazon. emily: earlier this week, amazon said washington, d.c. had it exactly backwards. what are they saying now? >> they are saying we faced a lot of competition. we are not driving prices up. they are saying the same refrain. when you speak with merchants, and we have written about this, they say if i have a product on amazon i can afford to sell less on another site, my own site, shopify, on walmart, amazon will punish me for that. it will bury my product on its own site, and because amazon gets so much business, they can
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not afford to offer lower prices on other sites to lure shoppers away from amazon. think of it as real estate, getting a bigger deal in a low rent district on real estate compared to the premium shopping district. that is what is happening now. amazon has that premium digital online real estate, but does not want to let merchant partners offer better deals on other sites. that is at the heart of the issue. emily: the experts you are talking to, how concerned are they about big tech regulation? you spoke with one analyst who covers amazon. he thought that washington, d.c.'s case would go nowhere and there was not sufficient proof, and yet, we see other states potentially piling on. there has to be something. >> yes. they are learning more. a lot of states came into this fairly cold. they have to learn what it is like to sell on amazon, which is
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completely different from the physical store. all of the aspects involved in it and the tricks merchants use, it is a steep, steep learning curve, so the regulators are still figuring out how this thing works so they can figure out where the potential problems are, and that is where it is slow going. there are not a lot of people who understand it, they don't get the most cooperation from amazon, so they are still in this learning phase. emily: all right. well, we will keep following, as will you. our bloomberg news reporter who covers amazon. meantime, amazon has set the date for this year's prime day. according to sources, the event will be held june 21 and june 22 as the world's biggest online retailer tries to get its big summer sales back on schedule. last year, it was pushed to october due to the pandemic. coming up, get ready to switch to a new switch. we have details on nintendo's plans to upgrade the popular gaming console.
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let's take a look at some tech results out now. salesforce, vmware, all reporting after the bell. salesforce projecting annual profit that would top estimates, suggesting customers are optimistic about emerging from the pandemic. not as rosy for hp ink, falling after its projection for a free cash flow fill short of estimates. vmware beat the street in the first quarter with revenue. this is bloomberg. ♪
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>> yes. what best buy is doing is asking if employees, instead of working the sales floor or restocking products, if they would like to grab a couple of online orders in the store and take them to an employee's house. they would do it on their own shift, so they would not have to do it off the clock, so to speak. they do it in a best buy vehicle, so the employee would not have to use his or her own car. this is one of many things best buy is experimenting with. all retailers are seeing a surge of e-commerce. best fine's online -- best buy's online sales were up 144% last year, more than double, so they are grappling with how we handle this volume, and best buy like
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other retailers sends the online orders from its stores, so they have to get it to people's houses some way. rather than using fedex or ups, best buy said why don't we have our own employees do it? emily: walmart tried to do this before. did it work? >> no, not at all. [laughter] it did not work. walmart announced this program they were doing in 2017, but it was different, certainly. first off, walmart was asking employees to drop the packages off on their way home after work. i don't think anybody likes to be bothered after work, especially a retail worker. they were also doing it in their own car, so there were concerns about liability, insurance, what if i get in a fender bender? so walmart quietly killed the program after less than a year. best buy looked at that and the lessons learned and said, let's
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do it somewhat differently. emily: what is your sense of whether or not they can pull it off? >> they can probably do it in certain markets. certain employees might not mind doing it. what is interesting is they are not just delivering packages, they said today on an earnings call that when the employee shows up with the online order, they might encourage the customer to join their new membership program or do an in-home sales consultation and say maybe you could use a new refrigerator or maybe you could use a new home theater. so i don't see this going coast-to-coast or being huge, but it will work in certain markets and for certain employees. i think it is a good idea. emily: all right. thanks so much for that update. we will keep following it. some other stories. nintendo could be out with the
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new switch in time for the holidays. according to sources, the japanese company plans to begin assembly of the upgraded device in the next few months. and release it by september or it will replace the current october. console and is expected to be priced higher than the $299 original. trade groups representing social media companies including twitter and facebook are suing the state of florida over a new law governing political campaigning. the law, which is due to come into effect july 1, would penalize social media companies that block political candidates from their platforms. the companies could face fines up to $250,000. a day. lawmakers in louisiana and texas are debating similar bills. coming up, he saw four companies go public in just under 30 days last year. next, where he sees the future for e-commerce. this is bloomberg. ♪
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emily: welcome back to bloomberg technology. i am emily chang in san francisco. i want to get a snapshot at how the retail sector is doing. kriti gupta has more from new york. some earnings out after the bell. kriti: we have to talk about the retail earnings. we saw it explode last week. a little that fiscal stimulus
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money is hitting people's pockets and being spent and you are seeing it in the likes of costco and got. but don't let the share price fool you, they had some good results. costco earnings bidding estimates, topline and bottom-line, they had a good quarter. profit forecasts beating analyst estimates. the stock is not doing so well. intraday trading was different. a lot of green on the screen, possibly anticipating some other good news. i want to go to some of the intraday trading. best buy and dollar general, both very strong stories. best buy in particular boosting their sales forecast after soaring revenue, and introducing plans for e-commerce delivery. this was something walmart tried to do and wasn't able to. investors really like that. to the downside, dollar tree is sinking after costs were denting their bottom line. this will be key. when you have an earnings story that isn't bright and rosy, investors don't react very well. given the environment of extra cash in the system.
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the last thing i want to get to is the e-commerce story. we did have a story out today that google and shopify were partnering to take on amazon. let's take a look at this one-year chart. you can see google has been outperforming amazon and so has shopify. now they are giving amazon another reason to question some of their e-commerce dominance. emily: all right, thank you so much, our bloomberg markets reporter there. facebook has also been partnering up with shopify. more on e-commerce. the pandemic has fueled an e-commerce boom across the board with companies like shopify, wish and others rising to challenge establishments like amazon. but how long will this pandemic-driven e-commerce boom last? we bring in our next guest, who focuses on early stage digital economies and currently has over $9 billion in assets under management, hans tung. how long do you see this pandemic fueled momentum continuing?
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hans: people attribute the growth of e-commerce, especially u.s., to the pandemic. i think that's partially true. we are seeing a change of user behavior. most people are used to shop on smartphones and pay on smartphones. and the ease of ordering and delivering and even returning is making it a lot easier for you not to leave the comfort of your home and get things quickly done, efficiently, and have things sent to you and curated for you in a personalized fashion. what you see on these mobile shopping apps is becoming increasingly becoming personalized based on what you have done, purchased in the past and based on the interests you expressed. more and more, there is a way to shop via e-commerce that is as good if not better than shopping in store. we see that post-covid 19, post-pandemic, this commerce boom through smartphones will continue to rise.
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emily: is there a limit to it? hans: if you asked me that question over six, seven years, if you look globally, the e-commerce rate is over 20% in some large countries. for example, china. we think there is not going to be a limit for a while, and the pie is getting bigger. whereas back in 2013 and 2014 when i first appeared on your show, the debate was about walmart taking on amazon. all the stores will become fulfillment centers and therefore amazon will have issues. then it becomes ebay trying to compete and beat amazon. now you have facebook and google using shopify to take on amazon. all those efforts are missing the point that amazon has a unique advantage in e-commerce. to beat them, you have to become verticalized, which is why we in
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poshmark and peloton. you have to offer different kinds of experience than just trying to be like them. emily: what is your outlook on these more niche e-commerce platforms? you are also an investor in wish. the stock there has been struggling, in part probably because of the continued power of amazon. hans: with companies that are still finding their way, a lot of the issues are sort of self-inflicted or more based on execution. when you see what etsy is doing, their stock price has gone up dramatically the last four years. you see that there is a way to compete against amazon. you see how wayfair have done, they have done extremely well. pre and post covid-19, they are in the process of doing so. there is a way to be bullish on wish efforts and peloton and
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all the other companies we invest in. emily: the popularity of creators and nex-gen personalities is a huge development in the e-commerce market with all of these tiktok stars hawking products and unboxing. do you see this shifting the e-commerce landscape dramatically? hans: the creator's economy is interesting. it is more of a buzz word today, but we think there are underlying fundamentals on why it is doing well. the monthly active users on facebook is over 3 billion. youtube alone, the number of monthly active users is 2 billion. tiktok is over 600 million, not including china where it is up to 800 million monthly active users, all referencing some form of short form content. you look at the number of creators out there or people who think of themselves as influencers, it is only 50
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million. the number of full-time professionals who are influencers, the number is only 2 million. there is a lot more room for people to come in and produce content for a lot of eyeballs. in terms of the modernization, we have seen all kinds of creative ways beyond just advertising revenue share, product placement, non-fungible token sales, tipping and sponsored content, so there are more ways to monetize if you can produce content people want. emily: you had four ipo's in 30 days, airbnb, a firm among them. do you see that trend continuing with portfolio companies taking that big leap? hans: more companies are thinking about their e-commerce strategy, and even more are thinking about their fintech strategy to finance some of those transactions. that is why you see some doing
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well in the buy now, pay later category. you don't have to pay 100%, you can do it over time. you can do it in monthly installments over time. that is why peloton and affirm making investments and collaborating together. the market for e-commerce gets bigger with innovations in fintech with buy now and pay later. you see what square has done with square capital, fusing fintech, e-commerce, and social. it is incredible. it is the best we have ever seen. you asked me, where does this stop? for the near future or the immediate future, that pie is getting bigger and bigger. emily: let's talk about that pie. bytedance is also in your portfolio, looking for a potential ipo. when should we be watching for that to happen? how big is it going to be? hans: no one knows for sure. you will see the announcement at the end of the year.
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it seems that the company is growing nicely and there is no immediate plan for an ipo. emily: speaking of tiktok, i probably asked you this question before, but since the landscape is constantly changing, i wonder what you think about the loyalty to tiktok, given that it is about a quick fix, getting that fix in the moment. do you see tiktok being a sustaining, long-term platform, or do you think there will be some shiny new platform that potentially comes along and steals that thunder? hans: i think the degree of personalization tiktok has been able to achieve is amazing. i was a frequent traveler before covid. whether it was going to sao paulo or bangalore in the south asian continent, or to bali in
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indonesia, when you are talking to a cabdriver in indonesia, or a food-delivery person in bangalore or person doing delivery in san paulo, everyone thinks tiktok is tailor-made for them. the amount and degree of creation is amazing. i do think that both youtube and tiktok have ways to sustain themselves because they come up with so much content and curate it in a way that makes it so hard to stop. i remember people asking, would you ever cut the cable cord in your household? more people are doing that today. i have youtube tv, netflix, hulu. i can watch tiktok on our tv. the need for programming, set programming is a lot less, and the timing available for that curated and personal content is
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a lot more. today, more young kids want to be a youtube influencer or a tiktok influencer than a professional job like a doctor or astronaut. it is amazing how my kids look at me and say, dad, you only have 15,000 followers on twitter, what is wrong with you? [laughter] i thought you were on some kind of vc list. this person has 300,000 a lone. what is wrong with you? so it is a different world we live in. [laughter] emily: indeed. hopefully some of those young kids are thinking they would like to travel as exotically as you, thinking about all those places you just mentioned. hans tung, thank you so much for joining us as always. so good to have you. coming up, the amount of capital deployed by venture funds continues to grow among but it is not going to women-led businesses.
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emily: 2020 a record year for vc funding and 2021 is trending similarly, but that is not the same story for women founders. a new report from non-profit all raise sound funding for teams led by women fell, and even worse for latinx and african american founders. joining me to discuss the slow march to gender equality in silicon valley is all raise ceo
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pamela kostka. thank you for joining us. talk to me about the most surprising and i suppose unsettling findings in this report. pamela: 2020 was an unsettling year across the globe, but it was really unsettling when we dug into the numbers about where female founding is going. your intro said it all, there has been record deployment in venture capital, and yet there was a significant headwind that we put ourselves into thanks to covid, where funding to female founders or mixed gender teams fell 2.5%. those are some of the lowest numbers since 2017. there was a significant backslide this past year. a lot of that we attributed to risk reduction, a lot of people not being able to get out and network directly and engage directly with one another. and also pattern recognition, if
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-- a fallback to old styles and muscle memory within the industry. there have been some light spots as we head into q1 and into q2 this year, but we shouldn't be complacent and think that we are done. emily: i guess the big question is why. if you have more money coming in, why not take that risk on women? why is it seen to be more risky to invest in women? pamela: it is actually not more risky to invest in women. the numbers and economics clearly show that investing in women is a profit-smart decision. for every invested dollar, a woman on average will return two times the amount of revenue that their own male counterpart team might.
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we have to focus on the fact that there is just bias in the system. we look at a couple of different things to make a change. one is to diversify the venture firms themselves. there are too few female venture capitalists in the ecosystem, it is still dominated by white men. 64% of the venture capital firms don't have a single female partner in the ranks, so when it comes to analyzing opportunities and attracting the talent they want, their networks are closed networks. we really need to open up those networks by inviting more women into venture capital, number one. and number two, to reverse bias in our process of how we look at people and evaluate opportunities. we see this as a networking opportunity. we certainly know for years the evidence out there is that it is not a pipeline problem. it is an access problem. opening up people's networks to female founders, especially underrepresented founders will
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be key to unlocking the potential in the market. the potential is in norman's -- is enormous. there is trillions of dollars of value waiting to be mined if we can open up these networks. emily: the picture is even darker for latinx and black founders. what did you see? pamela: the numbers are appallingly small. we are partners that does a project study. less than one percentage point, still closer to zero than any thing meaningful is going to black and latinx founders, despite the fact that black female entrepreneurs are the fastest-growing segment. there is just really not any -- there has been very minimal movement going forward. i think the industry as a whole, though, is starting to turn their attention towards looking at black female founders, latinx female founders, underrepresented founders in
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general and creating opportunities to meet these founders, to get access to these founders they did not traditionally have access to and deploy capital for them. that's part of why all raise exists, is to measure progress in the industry and what we can do to move the needle forward for black, latinx, and other underrepresented founders. emily: as we come out of the pandemic, what trends are you seeing? are you worried that silicon valley will keep missing out on the talents of women and latinx and black founders? pamela: certainly, if we just look at 2020, there was a lot of headwinds that had stolen the progress we had seen going forward. but there is also tailwinds coming out of 2020. the social reckoning movements that happened in 2020 around race and gender certainly has put tailwinds into our sails.
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there is a lot of promising data coming into 2021. for example, the ipo space, two female co-founder's company was valued today. that is a positive trend. we have seen a lot of other ipos as well -- bumble, 23andme, all of these -- poshmark -- all with female founders. we are starting to see the crescendo of ipo's and continuing to shine the light on these incredible opportunities. we are also seeing in q1, we did see an unlocking of potential. there were 687 deals done, four -- deals done for female co-founded companies which represented around $9.8 billion in capital. trends are indicating that we are moving in the right direction, that we are unlocking that stasis we had. but we shouldn't assume that we are done.
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we will be interested to track the data in q2, and look at what is happening both in the unicorn status and who is coming out, but also there is an opportunity for the industry to give birth to the next amazon, the next facebook, the next netflix that would be founded by a female funder or entrepreneur. that will only happen at the highest levels, looking at those c-stage companies, who are those series a entrepreneurs and being intentional about meeting some of these incredible founders that are out there. emily: if only more women and people of color had those opportunities, imagine how different the world could be. pam kostka, all raise ceo, thanks so much for joining us. coming up, one-of-a-kind. we will show you how rolls-royce is making its luxury cars even more luxurious, with the help of technology.
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that is next. and as we head to break, amc surging more than 35%, vaulting the company's market value to $13 billion for the first time. revival in the cinema chain stock has been fueled by retail investors eager to save the movie theater industry. the stock is up more than 1150% year to date. this is bloomberg. ♪
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earlier we spoke to the company's ceo about the custom cars as well as how the global chip shortage has impacted the automaker. >> we haven't seen anything. obviously we are part of the bmw group, and the bmw group managed the chip topic extremely well due to the fact that they ordered very early already a sufficient amount, and we as rolls-royce motor cars haven't been affected at all because we also set our order books for chips early and ambitious enough to meet the demand, which is now happening. >> you have copyrighted violent shadow. now, i am wondering what the transition to ev at rolls-royce is going to look like. when are we going to see that car? what is it going to look like? how different will it be to current rolls-royces? >> that is still a secret. time to come. it will be a brand-new
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rolls-royce, rest assured, no worries. one thing i can tell you is it will not be this car. we agreed with clients that this is their car and there are only three available of them and we not copycat that into other rolls-royces or whatever. this is truly an exclusive design meant for clients. it was even commissioned by the clients themselves together with our designers. for that reason, that is protected. the car you are talking about will look different. >> will it be an electric vehicle? >> it will be a vehicle, for sure, obviously. [laughter] i can't tell you more. just one thing, we are sticking to our plans -- i said already, we will go full-electric in this decade. watch this space and see what happens. emily: rolls-royce' ceo torsten muller-otvos.
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