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>> and as they bought treasuries to sell the stocks. always nice having you with us. >> i'm off to athens tomorrow. >> good luck. >> we're going to need it already that does it for the closing bell. >> maria will be back tomorrow and "fast money" starts right now. >> the theme today? sell the news. >> you don't want to get too complacent here. we were worried about a collapse this weekend. maybe one of the nine banks of spain going under, which would have then caused our banks to go down and that didn't happen. >> bail out? sell the news. >> customers have now laid down an astounding 30 billion apps. >> new iphone features sell the news. maybe this trade something for the birds. sit back and buy and hold. >> i wish i had bought ibm in 1914. >> that's not pete's style. the only thing he has had longer
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than a day was his pony tail. you either trade or die. the pressure of the trading floor, this is fast money. >> i'm melissa lee. let's start trading. the stock rally gets denied. how are we trading? pete early in the session seemed like the euro was giving us a tell. and then the vix surging. >> if you look at the beginning of the day, the vix went under 20 only to accelerate immediately eight minutes later tl trading back above 215. we talked about the huge seller in the july 25 calls. at that point that literally marked the low of the s&p and the high of the volatility in x index. we started to see upside buying in the vix, looking at the june 22, 28 call spread. and then a roll down towards the june 23 call.
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so what does it tell me? tells me going into this weekend, going into the vote on sunday, people have their nerves on high and they are looking to the volatility index to spark higher. >> people have been so done out of their option pleem yum, especially. this is where options have not protected you on the downside. they may be a great upside call opportunities. but when you look at the markets and the way people are trying to protect themselves, that's not the way to try to do it. obviously all of that great news quickly turned around. the ibex which was up about 4% on the day at one point moved 6.5%. s&p 2%. the dollar which gave ground and today looking at emerging currencies, it was explosive the moves. these were trading 2% a day and that is scary stuff. >> think about the euro. a three week high and now essentially, 1.24.
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>> and if you look at -- even this morning before markets turned, the first thing i want to do is look at yields on spanish bonds. in fact the ten year in spain was 1 point weaker after all of this news. the clear element to all of this is this doesn't advance eu integration at all. this just has people saying i am waiting for italy and why not throw spain into the mix. what do you do before this weekend? you are probably carrying your file-o-fax because your calendar is more important. >> my is extraordinarily unimportant. if it's hit by lightning -- >> there is no back up. >> it's written down as opposed to the digital generation. you lose your stuff exit's gone. >> and as you wlit it out, it goes into your brain. >> and you remember things when you write them.
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i know a lot of people think these are voodoo but they work. and we talk specially about the market. it's going to 13.25. that's where we closed on friday. obviously you saw that push higher but the technicals held up. now wherever we are, you have to ask yourself what can't be written. i think we will test 1292. i think that will happen at some point this week. smack in the middle of the range does no good. i think you have to take a stance. i think we will test lower one more time. >> mike murphy, it feels like we are in stock market purg tory. do you dare make a move this week going into the election? >> i think you do when you look at what happened today, if you go back last week. already everybody was tuned in over the weekend and saw the news out of china and saw the
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news out of spain. the talk was are we going to be up 250? 500? all of the sudden we come into a strong open and from the open, things just started to roll over. i think right now you are back at levels where you saw a few weeks ago it is still a tradeable market. as long as you are maintaining your stop levels and looking to get out on rallies. >> what kind of names? are you buying commodities? we say i don't think valuations are cheap enough. and so i am curious whether you can take that. i agree. i don't think the world is coming to an end but i don't see why you have to jump in right here. >> we have discussed it before. we were out of the stock late last week. missed a little bit of the upside. it just rolled over today going into the close. we think you will see a tradeable move. it got down 29.
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around the $30 range you have seen, remember, as things have gotten low, they also rallied off of that. if you buy the dips it has been working. >> and you are selling the rips. >> hopefully. >> hopefully, yeah. speaking of commodities, should you be buying this dip? analysts getting bullish and saying now is a time to go long commodities including oil and gas. tim? >> i don't think so. goldman is making a brave call here. they also say commodities offer 30% upside in the near term. oil, look, mike talked about the data out of china. oil imports were up a record nature. i don't think oil demand is falling off a cliff. i think it's more about supply. the saudis said they are read kwy to lift the output ceiling. they can go as long as they need to.
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as they say in our shop, opec is only saudi arabia. but again, oil demand right now is not really the story. it's supply and the speck longs this is still a very clouded trade. some of the other parts of the curve, i think you have seen a lot of the traders get out of the way. oil is still very long. >> the only thing you can look at at this point and timmy has been spot on. the fact that valero was up almost 3%. should have support at 21. i think the low is basically been 20.5 or so. that might give you something to trade against. something in the form of vlo. but the oil services names have been debt for six months. i thought you saw a tradeable
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bottom, they give up the ghost as well. >> and you may have seen a tradeable bottom because today in the ohi we had the october 38 calls trading very, very heavy as the oih traded much higher. that's when they started to come in and buy some of that longer term. if you look at the names, we have been pounding the table. let's go to the refiner or the services names. i think if you stick with some of these names, you get the natural gas exposure and all of e & p. i like bp and the way it is trading right now. i think at $38 a share it is still a steal. >> jim, do you disagree? >> here is the problem i have. it sounds like you will trying to make oil a story of its own. oil is no story today. everything reversed and closed. to me it is a macro thing. i think goldman might be right in the long term. right now deflation is lurking
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there somewhere and that's the problem i have with oil or any of those things. already moody's will reslew major banks this month. how do you tlad the u.s. financials while all of this is going on? this is probably the most well telegraphed bank downgrade on the face of the planet or in the history of mankind, one would argue. >> the one name that i thought was interesting and it's still there. i thought morgan stanley had a nice bounce. i honestly thought it would test 15. just as a trade it looks sort of interesting. the stock briefly got above 14 but it can't get out of its own way. i think that morgan stanley still had a nice interesting trade, the fact that you couldn't get any gidy up to me
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is a little bit disappointing. >> mike, how about this call from hedge that says there could be a $9 billion collateral call. >> they made some glaet points there. i think the financials are one area whether you know you are tied to what is going on in new york. if you are willing to take the risk risks i think that is the one area whether you want to stay away from. if you don't have the gumption to stay away. >> the gumption? that's a polite way of putting it. how about the notion that you could separate the u.s. exposed banks from the more global banks. that didn't work in today's session but doesn't mean it's not a trend that will possibly continue. >> overall when you look at u.s. bank and you look at wells fargo, they have been the
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performers in that sector. i love that name. i am still not ready to jump in just yet but i still hold on to wells fargo. that continues to extend on those days to the upside. >> next check, greatest zblrks aimed at the spanish banks. how should you schedule your portfolio. head of global equities. neil, great to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. it's glaet to be here. >> i saw three stock picks from you and i don't think i have ever talked to anybody about specific stocks. before we get to those three picks, i want to get your basic
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overview of what happened in spain and whether or not it changes your outlook at all. >> you know, it doesn't. it's clearly a step in the right dl direction. certainly not to the euro zone. until we see system wide measures in place. so unfortunately it does not change things. >> let's get into your picks. one of them is defensive picks which would fit into your view that you squlus explained. a tremendous expose sure revenue wise to the emerging markets. >> that's exactly right. we don't care where a company is headquartered. so 50% of sales are coming from the emerging markets and the sales that it has in europe as a food provider, even if europe were to fragment, people still need to eat.
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we like the fundamentals. we think it is a strong company that is selling into the right markets. >> i totally agree. rr i think they have overpaid for a lot of the stuff. the valuations that don't make a lot of sense. do you think they have got exposure there? >> i think always exposure when you go through an acquisition spree. there is no question about that. we're buying equities today, we are finding attractive values around the world. we are tliing to find those that are higher quality and have less lisk that you have been talking about on the show. you are right it is a risk. >> all right. let's move on to spirit air which is a u.s. based company. a leregional low cost carrier tt is charging a lot of money for carry on bags. why do you like this particular company?
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just today they were saying that they had to rent planes, that costs will rise because they have to do preventive plaint innocence on seats already they are performing according to our plans and meeting our estimates. they have the highest margins. while the major carriers clobber each other, some of these smaller niche care yefrs have generallated good returns for their shareholders over time. >> it has been a glaet start since september. you sl seen pull backs. but up certain magnitude. down 7.5%. you pile in. i'm not sure if we ended up buying today or not. i will have to check on that.
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>> an australian drilling company focused on mining. there are a lot of analysts on the stleet who are concerned about the slaluation of the stock. >> we think the valuation is reasonable today. what we like about it is that it is paying a healthy dividend. we find it very attractive. we are getting return on investment immediately through the dividends and a long term play on modern prices. so we like the short term story and we like the long term position as well. >> we're going to leave it there. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> i wanted to get a quick take how you decide whether or not you want to invest. you make a good point. it does not matter where the company is headed. you think that it is more far away to go to what is going on in europe? >> i think he is absolutely right. a fantastic company.
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basically non-discretionary. the neighborhood. this is a tough stock to buy. even some of the brick and mortar kpaeps in europe are getting sold down here. a big bellwether stock across fla france. it is probably a lot longer. i think this is where these guys are stepping. you should be buying good companies. the question for me is are the valuations worth stepping in here. >> coming up next, why he is not buying into all the hype. >> and later in the show we will reveal what is behind this curtain. it could be the best idea you will ever hear. ♪
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money". shares of apple are actually in the red. are investors missing something. >> i think sit really apple continuing. there is not a single manufacturer that can touch them in terms of quality and even pricing. i think we are doing a lot of it. >> weren't you expecting this? wasn't this a logical evolution? >> i can't speak to the stock but i think people absolutely were expecting this if not this, the mac book air was supposed to do this. yes, you are completely right. >> how did you gauge the
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performan performance. >> i thought he did really well. he has stood in for jobs before. and they have the tag team so i think he did a really good job. >> jonathan, glaet to see you. the boy squleen yus life-support. i know you follow apple. >> i have an apple phone. >> it is very telling. >> if you want to play the stocks in the apple ecosystem, nvidia is actually interesting again. the 52 week low. good volume today. so again, point of ref lens, i think the tape may be squishy, that is a financial term, they set up as an interesting trade. although the news of it being in mac book pro was out in the
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middle of may. trade is still interesting. >> may be very excited about what happens with the worldwide developer's conference. he actually says apple is no longer a growth stock. he has been named one of the top ten stock pickers in the united states by the financial times. he has beaten his benchmark many times. >> i thought you cough given a tougher lead in than that. >> apple is a growth stox. is it a growth stock that you want to purchase right hooer and now at this level? we don't hate apple. particularly as the iphone product is starting to age. that was more of an evolutionary not revolutionary product. there is nothing that came out of wwdc today that solves
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billions of dollars in revenue. >> you have been on our shoe many times. we are ahead of the iphone five there will be inventory issues. you can't time this thing or can you. most people are not equipped to pick the valuation of apple stock any time for the last quarter of the year, which is the strongest. >> the only thing we would highlight is people who are taking their numbers down. the thing is you quantity be buying now because soo much is going to change in the landscape. apple's margins are just unbeatable. kwlou will certainly hear a lot of talk about that.
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i want to see how the stock sets up download. >> we basically got a whole bunch of data. when you say valuation, it confuses me because we all know that they are slowing down waiting for the next release this is exactly what happened last fall. so what is the proper valuation? why wouldn't you want to be buying it right now in front of something coming down. >> that is a difficult -- it is not an expensive stock. the growth is slow. you x out the cash. the absolute valuation. being north of have a trillion dollars is understandable.
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>> sorry to interrupt you. why do we care about the half trillion? that means nothing. >> it does. right now apple is the most largest valuation. >> why does that matter? >> because that is the valuation of the company and while you can use ratios to justify it all you want, you have to be aware that that is the overall price tag. >> thanks for sharing your take with us on apple. will be joining us later on in the show with the special situations. you want to.
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>> what about the kid who played billy in the karate kid? >> what happened to him. >> to colins, you are making the point earlier about sony. you still watch your trinitron. >> that's it. >> i was there. the kid with the white shoes. i know i was there. so sony was taking on the world. not unlike apple is apparently doing now. >> cautious. >> coming up, big returns. ahead of the only actively managed short btf. find out what he is targeting next. more fast straight ahead.
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>> welcome back to fast money. look at the pop. david's green light capital revealing that it has increased the stake to 23.1 million shares. that's 5.4% of the outstanding shares in the stock. it only has flash, which is not good. >> he is determined to put more into this. it was 3.4%. david sees something that a lot of folks obviously are not seeing out there right now in the data space, especially in the disk space. when you look at the names you look at some of the numbers. the problem is are they going to be obsolete? >> making money by going short. that is the strategy of the active bear etf which makes only
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negative bets. green mountain coffee and juniper networks among the notable shorts. here with more on bearish bets and big returns, who co-manages the active bear etf. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having us. >> it is worth noting that when stocks had a difficult time, your fund was up 19d%. that's a tremendous feet. i want to go into some of your top shorts because some of the names are not familiar out there. constant contact is one of them. it has been down 30% but you are still short this name. >> constant contact got swept up in the facebook phenomenon. they own plaxo. they have been giving out american express credit cards. they are expensing this and getting revenues from this from
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new clients however they are not expensing it properly. >> is that an accounting issue. >> it is. >> when you pick a stock to short, do you imagine what the eventual outcome will be for the stock? how the story is going to end? >> we have a process that we go through. we first go through the s&p 1500. we buckle down to the bottom. our earnings quality secret sauce that we news. >> t's faulk about best buy right now. a lot of folks think it is zero or somewhere north of 40.
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the foupding chairman is leaving. sit a slow death just like a radio shack. we are not touching it. we are actively managed. we do trade around our positions and that is one we are not trading. >> looking at good year tire, with the price of gas coming down. the stock has been on a steady decline. is that a name that you see covering any time soon? >> the reason is because in 2008, they sold a piece of their capacity. and now they have all of the future liabilities. so weapon you are looking at the company sit apples to oranges. even if they went to full capacity. the input is still a problem
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now. >> how do you handle a name like deutsche bank? massive short interest in there and you will see the the end? >> we will take some pain. we are definitely at citigroup and deutsche bank a much higher percentage. we feel they are still. operator:ing in the old 2006, 2007 environment. we feel like it has a lower dividend. this is just as alarming as you can imagine. they have an 11% yield. when you are short you have to pay that point out.
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so it's two names that we have. >> i want to ask you about hanes brand. it seems they are trying to get their ship right. mar begins have been dropping. where do you see the stock going? >> they have a small amount of pension liability. they make a lot of money offshore so to bring this yop shore to meet the obligations, it will get a tax hit. it is a weak margin business. they are writing it off like they have some new premium name. >> of the active bear funds. all right. any of these shorts you agree
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with? or don't agree with? >> best buy has been interesting. a lot of people have continued to bet that it would be a land play or real estate play. it doesn't seem to work. we made the bottom bounce. i think they are spot on. >> you said you were looking into a good year short. you more convinced? >> not really. i questioned with the stock down at $10. the market is going to sl you. i would be trading around that a little bit. >> we are short one of the biggest tire manufacturers and i think sit a great short. >> all right. next on fast. top stock picker. back with his best trading idea in technology and we are racing for the trade of the day. it may be the smartest idea. find out what it is when we pull back this curtain a little later in the show. stick around. ttd#: 1-800-345-2550
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they have all beaten their benchmarks and they are coming on this show every day this week to make you some fast money. let's bring you gillis here. waxing on, waxing off, all of that. we brought you back because we want to get some of your top picks at this point. let's start off with a special situation stock. >> the way we look at the landscape is we look at growth, value and special sits. they are names that are broken down and have got serious issues with them. take a look at yahoo!. they have had management turn over. a board is focused in. there is about 4 billion worth of value in the core asset.
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you got about $1.8 billion, so that's what we call special situations. that number can increase both from execution. you get a little bit of performance as well as increased ebitda. yahoo! is our pick for the second half. we see about 30% upside. >> from here? >> correct. >> and your top pick is microsoft? >> particularly in this june quarter we really like it at this level. i have got a very compelling road map. they are considered a lower cost. add oracle to that. they have more behind them all the enterprise and tools and
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businesses. the enterprise, not even half way through the cycle. look for some good numbers. >> listen my overcaffeinated constantly friend, i'm with you. what's the worst case scenario? what could go wrong with the stock right now? >> sure. they are selling display advertising and they alienated some of the major agencies out there. a little bit of time to implement the sales force. i think it is happening now. it is not a revenue story. it's still going to be tough to get revenue cranked up. they have got to figure out the search deal. they have got lots of hurdles that are facing them. from cost controls to re purchasing shares, we should get
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uptick in the stock. >> good bad or night. should they glab something like nokia now that it is under $3 a share with the cash that they have got and the minimal debt that we have got? >> compelling. >> it's compelling. it's a lot more compelling than trying to buy something like rim. the issue is do you win by having the int glated hardware and software stack? apple is being apple and goog wl the motorola acquisition. or do you support all of the carriers. it's not going to be a price war any time soon. i look for them not to be doing any major acquisitions. >> good to see you as always. congratulations. do you like colin's top picks. >> i think the one that is most
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interesting is yahoo!. that means the market agrees. they expect something to happen with yahoo!. it is an aging platform. they have angered some of their customers. i think it has to be a deal. >> again we will have more top stock pickers in this week and with any luck we will continue showing the karate kid clips. >> sweep the leg. oh. that was not it. haven't you seen the movie? >> that was the crane. >> come on. >> some big bird. >> fear does not exist in this dojo. >> an upcoming health care
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reform ruling. analysts are upglading stocks to their ballots. could be as much as 15% on the day. they say the entire mandate is upheld. the earnings power would increase. the stocks would go up by about 15%. the individual mandate would be held unconstitutional. it would be better to neutral for 2014, 2015 earnings power and the stocks could rise five to ten% that day. do you disagree with this call? >> for two reasons. the overall market is obviously weaker and softer. and to me, that's the thing that this all hinges on. if we start to believe that we will not put the same premium into these. there might be a knee-jerk
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reaction but i would not say a lot about it. >> let's stick in the field of health care. hca. >> hca, i think, is the most interesting name in this space. as you pointed out, there are likely to be three kwlout comes, one of three. two are good and one is really bad. so i want to define my risk but options are really exspensive. i want to use a call spread. $30 call spled. what's that doing? paying $1.30 for the call, reducing the cost of the whole trade by selling the $30 call for about 40 cents. i get upside exposure. the potential to make $2.10. in the option world that is a good relationship. >> one other name in the space. if you look back on january 10, talk about obliterated. made a push earlier last week
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