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my take on this is not that somehow they have but more son women have made a division. i freely admit this is a general stags, but i think women likes options. they want their job at work, and their family at home and hobbies. again, i am generalizing here, but men are more inclined to go all in on one thing and dominate it. and let it dominate them. when i first started broadcasting from the floor of the new york stock exchange, it was a real boys club. some people were okay with having a woman on the camera for the first time, but others not so much. there was a pros. but that was fine with me. i kept studying.
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i loved doing it, andivitieding to here. bottom line, and this is just my opinion, i don't think the cards are stacked against women, and with all due respect to sheryl sand berg, i'm not so sure women are stalled. i will say there's something to wonder about when looking at wall street, it seems to me the last bastion in terms of women in the ceo office probably back it's a cycle of men putting men in the jobs. a lot of men on boards, but women are working hard to move up the ladder. some strive for the corner office, for sure, others strive for something else. women make choices, work is not always the end all for everybody. before we go tonight, the day on wall street, the dow jones industrial average another all-time high, 14,447, is the last trade on the do you. thank you so much for being with
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me tonight. stay with cnbc. "fast money" begins right now. in new york city's time square, i'm melissa legality. why aren't investors bracing for a pullback. it's a better light bulb that's getting investors excited. we're talking to the ceo of cree. and lean in, she joins us with her take on the glass ceiling and show sheryl sand berg is trying to shake up things. a big move on shares of ver i phone, surging 8% as douglas bergeron resigns. richard mcgin has been named interim ceo, and karen you've
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been vocal on this company. >> yes, the risk/reward changed. this was a very interesting, not totally shocking outcome, though. you find it hard to get him to stay on message. he's done a great job building the business, but i think there's a fundamental problem of margin compression. >> isn't that priced in? risk/reward seems like it's to the up side. >> that may be here. i'm not taking a position here. i think it's sore of no-man's-land. don't you want to let it settle in a bit? >> when i talk to the ceo before, it was two earnings season ago. it may be shifting away. and doug bergeron did not want
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to say that square was a contributor. he did not want to say it at all. >> i don't think that's the reality of the business going forward. >> i think having an interim ceo who obviously knows the company. we started to see a couple of these broken companies have a decent move. these are the kinds of names that people think they can take a shot at it. we asked the and the s&p 500 closing in on a report high, so steven p. grasso, kick it off. >> it still has room to run. u what is the sort of the
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fundamental overall macrothesis that drives the prices higher. >> it's all supply and demand. if you look at it, with think and everything else -- >> where is the demand coming from? you could see that spike higher. >> have you seen him imitate regis done micron? >> micron! the china recovery is on, but the weekend data is not good. eastbound though i think commodities have been -- it's relative value.
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the dollar is going higher. and a bit today. i like the story with grasso showing me some for sale on the bell. i think it's overdone. i like the valuation, love the management team. >> i completely take the other side. last week we debated. i think there's more room to the up side. when you look at what's really been propelling the market, financials number one hitting new highs, and the other is energy. i bring that up, because freeport mac has obviously with that acquisition that they have made, this name's now about 25% going towards the energy space. i think it will go higher. today 99,000 options traded on the call side alone.
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>> i look at -- >> not all commodities. copper owl and gas. but commodities don't seem like they're ready to go -- wouldn't you rather be -- i notice we did this last week and did it well. you're maybe it a one way call. i think you get that different deal. i think there's a lot of reasons to be excited this name has been oversold, and this was not a march trade, an april trade. so somebody wanted to get time. let's get into a big mover. apple reversing course intraday
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to end higher. the stock also seeing some heavy volume. it went down as much as about 1.5% early on in the session, and then completely reversed that and added about 1.5%, again on heavy volume, which is why we bring in up. was there options activity? >> yes. when you total automatic that up ear over 150,000ologieses. so obviously there is some of out there that got them excited about apple. i really don't care about the rumors, all i know is monies was going in. >> this they're out thing air, they'll reverse. >> today's rumor was a very large hedge fund manager potentially putting on a position in apple. maybe it's true, maybe it's not, certainly there was a hot of money flows. >> that's what make the stock
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move. the thokt that it could be true, but if there's a catalyst, if somebody believes that story is going around, it's a possibility. >> and people think that apple is getting close. i'm one of those people. i still thin the catalysts are -- >> close to a bottom. 419 was the no the bottom? >> no, not necessarily. but the catalyst is all the way out there in the second part of the year. >> there could be a cal list coming up. >> at the annual meeting last year, they're looking at the cash. >> i mean, that means weakness in that quarter. >> today there's a headline, the largest had this the largest possession in 2012. you don't think guys like this
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having selling this thing en masse? therefore a lot of this has broken any momentum. this is what the stock is about. you get some of that mojo back. >> i have this to put out to the treat. he had a lot of charts about why he looks apple right here, but this is the one that stood out to me. if you extend it back to 2009 action you can see the stock is butting up against where it was to the parabolic higher. that's one reason why he looks -- >> there's a thought of charts at the bottom of 9 ocean is the old saying. there's a lot of reasons you want to look into it. second-half story, to karen's point. if there's a special dividend, that's absolutely a catalyst. there have been people that came in late. this whole way down they got in from 600 to 700, and a few said
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pay us some money, you were wrong, fess up and move on. let's move on. with the bull run charging forward, might it be too late? >> you sayi not too late, but you like the dividend players. i would thing you would want to be in the growth your that haven't participated yes, like a technology or materials? >> well, actually we do think it's a good timing to in stocks, but if there's a sector, it would be the different payers. the reason why we like stocks today is because the fundamentals are incredibly good. the s&p companies will earn -- >> how about 22-month highs? the prices say that things are pretty good, so we had gotten a lot of run here.
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>> that's actually not a very demanding evaluation. it could be high single digits, compared to the 2% ten-year treasury, that's a pretty good return. do they turn quickly? now that they've turned back in, what would it take to turn them back out? >> the retail investors had nothing to do with the fact that the s&p is under 130%, so i think that actually the stock market could go up with the retail investor there or not. i don't think the flow of funds is really what's driving it. so far has been the big buyer of stocks themselves.
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that i think is the way they resolve. there's a lot of different ways to manifest themselves. it could be because you see more buy -- stock buybacks. >> if i'm an average person out there, what is your top sector pick to get back in? >> actually, i would agree, the thing to not do is go after the higher dividend-yielding stocks that actually make up more than they ever have before. they're now 44% of the index, the long-term average is only a third. what you want to own is the stocks that may have a bit more beta, maybe more risky, but a lot more growth potential and now at a relative discount parts of the marked have had high --
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the will z effectively it's been a gigantic safety trade. that means things are actually quite attractive. >> seth, thank you for coming by. a quick check on what is moves in the afterhours. roetsds 2%. that was better than what had been expected. usualing outfitters down nearly 2.5%. they missed estimates. you know the news here, shares up 8%, after hours, doug bergeron has stepped down. up next, why some of the most loved stocks in the streets are the year's worst performers. plus a special trait upday. find out what he's doing now that stores are are at record highs. not everybody here on this desk
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welcome back. some of the wall street's favorite stocks have -- we have five stocks the rally seems to have left behind. they're all laggards despite being rated a buy. so you have all the buy ratings there. flat on the year. 17 at least -- on this stock by wall street. this is something that's going to add 40% to their bottom line. the competition is very light down there. they will be the dominant player. this is a chart that looks interesting. why take a bite. >> let's go to it's falling out,
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because you think broadcom or qualcomm. >> or broadcom and apple. >> exactly. only because of the technicals. i think it will confuse me. >> they like it overwhelmingly. so there's still room here to ratchet back up, and there is a lot of upset. >> ems is intriguing to me. those have already performed, what did they do today? extreme option activity out here.
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you look at what's happening, and you look at this name lagging, much like cisco or oracle, i think it's going higher. marx may be at record levels, but for dennis gartman, here's what he said on february 26th. too bad he doesn't still love them. the s&p 500 since that call. let's get a trade update. dennis joins us now. always good to see you. >> you know, it's not like we know the verdict on this trade yet.
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where do you go from here? >> i trade -- i trade goal against yen, again the canadian dollar, so i'm always looking for other places. i love stocks at one time, and i'm going to stay up on the sidelines. there's no reason having been wrong. i have more interests going on if i missed the stock market by 3%,ic go up against without me. i will say -- i only trade for my own account. this afternoon for the first time in a long while i bought some appear the. i bought sum, so it's not an
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outright position. it's just a bet on apple. if you wanted a hedge on apple why use s&p instead of nasdaq? >> probably after tonight i'll go back, take a look and realize probably go over and sell nasdaq futures, but the first thing i did, i because apple. that's not unusual. i eet check and probably move my short position. yet what you had when you made more of this call, you were actually expecting to see the yen go higher. and so i'm confused. ultimately -- >> no, no, no. >> then clarify.
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it is completely different to be short or long something, and rarely, rarely will i turn a position around and go the other direction. i've been at this far too long. the gods don't like it when you think you're smart enough to have called the top in something. >> quickly, though, if you're long the yen, you're saying it's a risk-on environment. and your call back, at least in lead february was one you think the world is a scarier place.
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when everybody wanted to get red of stocks couldn't buy anybody. i searchly wish to go to the sidelines. i have more interests in what's going on in the grains. at a macro gin, i'm standing aside. i'm wrong for 3%, guess what, itle do so without me. when you have a nice correction, i'll probably come back and buy stocks. >> dennis, always great to speak with you. >> if you are long apple, would it be -- >> it's not -- >> it's definitely not against the s&p. but take a look at the chart. the s&p is up over 5%, apple is down 35%, even the quad-q is not
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the perfect hedge. the hedge against apple would be to buy some puts. >> the reason he didn't want to do that is because of redundancy. because carter wirth, what did he say? he said sell apple, buy the s&p. right? when he was standing there at the chart, that was his old trade. let's get a mark flash check. sorry about that, courtney. >> that's a wonderful person to be mistaken for. >> we'll look at shares of young. wirth another mention, because spiking after hours, on news that the same-store sales were better than expected. the company had forecast on 25%, and for february toughly up 2%. that investigates for you that some of the poultry suppliers were just adding excessive levels. shares of yum spiking.
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>> thank you very much, courtney. in terms of yum, because there's a story about how the microblogs, all of it was negative. >> right. yum at 73 becomes is priced in. i think it's the best company in space, but expecting the kind of 15-plus growth, i think you still have to prove it to me. >> shining a light on one idea that could be the next big thing. why the company's latest innovation could be a game changer for the stock, but first sheryl sand berg says it's time to lead in, but is her message on the mark or out of touch? one of wall street's top women, next.
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welcome back to "fast money." sheryl sand berg's look, "lean in" the facebook's c.o.o. sort of self-claimed manifesto. she appeared on cbs' "60 minutes" yesterday. >> the very blunt truth is that men still run the world. >> what about the women's revolution? >> i think we're stalled. i think we're stalled, and i think we need to acknowledge that we're stalled, so that we can change it. >> are you trying to reig nice the revolution? >> i think so. >> so can sand berg help women
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furse break through the glass ceiling? alexandra laborenthal, and karen finerman joins us, too. you penned a piece if "fast company" everybody in the office sort of thing, but overall you like this message and woman by woman you think that we can help others break through that ceiling? >> i love the message, and i think frankly she's got the political capital, the financial capital, and the business capital to be the leader of this generation. i think she's right. we have stalled. it's not to say there haven't been advances. karen and i are generally the same youthful age, but when we started, there wouldn't have been a salary kracheck, but there still have not been the type of advances you would have expected in 2013. >> of course there are all sorts of stats about the fortune 500 overall, but particularly on
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wall street, it seems like -- with you think of a female ceo of a wall street firm, cfo seems to be the highest rank, karen, and i wonder what your take is on that specifically? >> i think it is noticeable on wall street, but i think part of that is because we're on wall street. it's everywhere, i think, that very few companies in almost any field, maybe entertainment is a bit different. with you i do think this notion of women being stalled is true, and i think a lot of time it's women getting in their own way, which is a very unpopular opinion to have. >> i liked that point at this thing. it wasn't pointing fingers at men, but it's ourselves and our own self-doubt. she had a stat about women applicants to job. women wait until their 100% qualified. >> even then they don't do anything about it.
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all of this talk about women not getting equal compensation, i highly suspect that men are not sitting there saying aha let ate not pay women as much. women don't ask for as much. they don't go in and say i'm worth this much and this is how much i'd like to earn. i think you see it quite frankly when it comes to women and investing. they don't stand up for themselves or ask the questions. >> karen, i'm wonders at this point where you think we go. firms like yours, your firm is predominantly women. >> you're right, but to alex's point, when a woman presents an idea to me, she very often starts with the down side, what could go wrong, whereas a man presenting the opposite says here's the up side. that's very alluring, wow, you're drawn to that. i think women do themselves, even though they're presenting an evenhanded picture, i think it plays differently. >> i think also there's a perception that women who are
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aggressive, bold, in that way, would present the up side to something, whether their investment, they're perceived as bozzy, too aggressive. that's one of the things that cher talks about. that needs to change at the hr level, at the senior executive levels, and we need a different perspective. when i ran my own company and then when i sold the company, i went from being perceived as a wonderful executive to being perceived as someone who was too aggressive. now i'm brag to being an entrepreneur, it's wonderful to be back to the way i was used to being. >> is that one reason you left to start your own firm, because you worked for the big firms on wall street? >> no, i thought i could make more money. >> that's a good answer. that's a woman not standing in her own way. >> tim, you wanted to get in on this conversation?
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being in 2u67 with your softer side. >> i haven't read the book, because after work i'm going home and mopping the floors in my house, but to karen, you know, you are a mother of four, you know, where have you had to make choices that ultimately are the ultimate choice? my wife is much smarter than i am, an accomplished lawyer, smush who ultimately is at home at least until the kids are out of the house. how do you make these choices? isn't this what we're talking about? >> that is an excellent point. it's a few things. i am exhausted all the time. i've been tired since 1997. but i also -- you have to find a way to make it work. i have an overly organized husband that's very, very helpful to me. every woman out there has something they're dealing with, they have to find a way to make it work. alex that is three kids. she knows. >> one of the thing she stalks about is how important the discussion around pregnancy is, and companies need to stop looking at it as an hr taboo,
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and we they'd to manage women's careers before they're pregnant, while they're pregnant and manage them once shen come back in. a woman doesn't firchd herself torn between though i be at home and should i about el at work? obviously a conversation that we'll continue to have for many years. alexandra, always good to see you. >> thanks. coming up next, it is a bright idea giving new life to cree stock. the boss reveals why the latest product is nothing like i've ever seen before. stick around. everyone's retirement dream is different; how we get there is not. we're americans. we work. we plan. ameriprise advisors can help you like they've helped millions of others. to help you retire your way, with confidence. ♪ that's what ameriprise financial does. that's what they can do with you.
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entering into a confidentiality agreement, allowing the billionnary investor to review the books a week after icahn joined a growing number of investors. last week he advocated for $15.7 billion dividend payout. we should know the stock is up by more than 1% today. and i keep wonder why the stock continues to go higher. you say the risk/reward may be to the up side? >> the more i think about it, i
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don't own it, but the more i think about it, i think that dell is there. maybe they have to force them to pay a bit more. i don't think michael dell is the kind of investor where he'll say forget my plans, i think he's serious. are you risking 60 cents to make an uncertain amount to the up side? that becomes an interesting place. >> but the numbers get harder and harder. they have to get 42% of the vote to approve the lbo. that's ex-michael dell shares. without his stake and carl owns 6% of the company and southeastern is against it. the numbers start adding up against the lbo at this point.
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>> you have to believe in the dell store. and i think when you also look at how many shares are outstanding, each time the stock goes incrementally higher, we talked about a lot of the 14 calls being very, very active initially. >> weekly calls? now, i think people expected main a sweetened deal, but the expectations were there. now when you look to the up side, you are not seeing anything on the 15th strikes. >> really? >> it ends march 22. wouldn't people be playing the weeklies through that? you've actually seen that, so you're not seeing, when you look at the open interest, a lot of people closing up. let's look at the options angle on this.
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scott, what does that translate in your view? >> as you've been talking about. there have been questions about the final pride, as pete was talking about, we've soon a consistent buyer of the 14 strike calls. last week we say a range of expirations. but the fact that the stock is well above $14, we are seeing some call boyers at the 15 strike. that means their breakeven is 15.10. they expect dell to be well above that level at the expiration. stock was up 1.5% today. 15-10 would require the stock to be up another 5%. the company is understanding veiling energy-efficient l.e.d.
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light bulbs that look and function like traditional lights, but a the a price point your wallet will love. in fact, take a look at the stoke chart. shares have roberted 55% this year alone. check joins us now from north carolina. grate to see you. >> great for true me so on the show the problem has always been it's an investment. now, you think that you've captured that tipping point where consumers are willing to pay $10 for a bulb, and they reap the efficiency from it. why do you think that you have achieved that this time around? >> well, look, we've had these energy efficient bulbs in the past, but the key was we need to do three things. we want to design a light bulb, because we want people to try it. it has to work just like a regular light bulb. the third piece was a price that
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gets people willing to cry it. at those price points we have a bulb that actually pays for itself. >> mr. swoboda, so what's your advantage, though, over your competition? really the only integrated -- yeah, we're making an l.e.d. bulb, but we go back to the chip, the components, and then integrate the system around it. because we had the ability to really work with the technology of all the different pieces we're able to get to performance levels that others can't, but not only performance, we can also gets to cost points. >> chuck it's always been an easier sell, they have more scale, if they invest in a bulb like this. do you need the consumer business in order to make this
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work? in order to meet your goals, et cetera? or do you need the consumer just as much as the consumer and industrial. >> that's an interesting question. the biggest market in gen will you the commercial markets, it's 80% of all lighting. however, one of the things we discovered is that the consumer is actually willing to try new technology. we saw this as an opportunity to get the consumer involved, and we actually think not only do we sell lights to them, but we get them to ask questions when they go to work, why the heck aren't we yew energy-efficient lighting? use the consumer to drive awareness, but drive adoption in the broader commercial markets. >> chuck, great to see you. hope you'll stop by again. so let's get to the trade on this stock. it's been very interesting. it had been a darling. 2010 december had a high 72.85, just last october. it reached the low 24-50.
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what a drop there. >> these guys have doubled their revenues, and the stock reflects that. at 100 times earnings, i don't think people know how to value wait that. irges i think this is an awesome space. the problem is the longevity. we talked about it. >> imagine buying a bulb and having it for 20 years and never having to replace it? >> they offer the best warranty in the space. there is a lot of competition, but it's huge for them. coming sup next -- i've been waiting one of you clowns to do that all night. goldman thinks nokia is headed lower, are they right? pete and tim are getting fired up, will square out of in our street fight, next.
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nokia shares under pressure after goldman sachs cut its
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overwhelming competition. we have a street fight. pete najarian is the bull, tim seymour is the bear. so bull, pete, kick it off. >> well, when you look at what nokia has done, they finally have figured out some of the things. i think that's going to be a huge positive for them. the carrier contracts they have already established over in china and the fact they're finally addressing something in the emerging markets, they own the emerging markets, but they need to do it with a smartphone that can be an inexpensive smartphone. these models i think will put them over the top. they finally figured out some of the pricing. that would give them an student to go head to head with appearing, but i think in the emerging markets there's a huge up side. >> nokia used to be my girl, but at this point it's my best friend's girl flend, and the reason you don't go there is the windows phone is very good.
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better for microsoft, but people are buying windows folks. that's one of the key points. they're not in the price point to begin with. they have a phone that can compete, but ultimately nothing to differentiate this hardware. the pop on the stock price, sure, it makes sense. the 2g space has been the legacy. that's why you have to run from it. it's yesterday. the valuation is a value trap. the stock chart is broken. 325 is the next level to own it. >> seven of the ten top fastest growing economies are in africa. they own africa. that's why i think -- >> pete, i have a question for you, though. we have some disturbing numbers about china. nokia in 2012 went to 3.7% from 30% the year before. >> right, right. it's the smartphone market. >> if you look at the grut
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that's happening in african, right now only 7% owns smartphones. >> but why a nokia? >> why not a nokia? >> they've got nothing that's been able to compete. nothing differentiates this hardware other than its a windows operating system. >> and sorry to glom on with tim, why can't it be le nova? why couldn't it be le nova going -- >> there's a huge pie there to split. that actually goes to the bottom line. down at these levels, i think there's a huge opportunity independents you don't think the chart is broken? >> no. i don't. i'm going to blow the whistle. blowing the figurative whistle. karen, who made the more convincing argument? i'm going to go with tim on this one. >> people have lost in the past, karen. don't do it. >> i know, i know. i don't have a position.
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>> look, the chart is not totally broken. >> what are you looking at, dude? >> does that mean you're with pete the bull? >> go with beta, melissa. >> we want to know who you thought, you out there, tweet us, we'll have the results at the end of the show. you tweeted us your questions, we are answering them. if you have a question, send them to us. clients are always learning more to make their money do more. (ann) to help me plan my next move, i take scottrade's free, in-branch seminars... plus, their live webinars. i use daily market commentary to improve my strategy. and my local scottrade office guides my learning every step of the way. because they know i don't trade like everybody. i trade like me. i'm with scottrade. (announcer) scottrade... ranked "highest in customer loyalty for brokerage and investment companies."
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welcome back. you tweet, we trade, so let's get to some of the tweets. when the vix is below 15, bad things happen. bossy, that person. >> i don't believe in the idea that bad things happen, but eventually we'll break into the -- obviously the ranges have been relatively tight. it's a combination for the volatility index to come down. you'll see it on the put side. so people are buying protection. >> tim, this one is for you.
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>> let's do it. >> what's your favorite emerging market? >> let's go columbia, which -- colombia, so the gxg is the colombia etf, and in fact after a nice run it's pulled back to around the 200. you have a plays to entire this, i like colombia here. >> karen, which stock is your favorite value place? thank you, james underwood, for being so place. >> my number one favorite value play is finish line. i think it's exceptionally cheap. finish line is a strong number two to footlocker, and fantastic balance sheet. they could have a weak quarter, but i think that may already be priced in.
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