>> i like dollar general. i think the results are far superior. >> karen? >> joseph banks. i actually think it's interesting if they take over or get taken over. >> cost. >> thanks >> i'm melissa lee. thanks for watching. see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 for more "fast." meantime, "mad money" with jim cramer starts now. my mission is simple, to make you money. i'm here to level the playing field for all investors. there is always a bull market somewhere, and i promise to help you find it. "mad money" starts now. hey, i'm cramer. welcome to "mad money." welcome to cramerica. other people want to make friends. i'm trying to save you a little money. my job is not just to entertain you, but to put it all in context. so call me 1-800-743-cnbc. the stock market craves certainty, confidence. it hates uncertainty, waffling, and the unknown. so when president obama acts

decisively and appoints a near universally liked candidate, janet yellen, as the next fed chair, the market reacts positively. aided by a whiff of secret talks on the debt debacle. as joining 0.06. the nasdaq declined. it show yos uthat washington may not be totally dysfunctional. it's reminiscent when it worked. sure, washington is poisoned enough to question yellin, one with motherhood and apple pie. but i do think she'll past muster in the senate. unfortunately, the appointment of yellin seemed a bit like a sideshow today. kind of like our american cousin, a play that lincoln might have liked except for the fact that her husband wassis a natd while s assassinated. the nontalks will stay nontalks right through the secretary's

drop dead deadline of october 17th. sure, we've been heartened today as we've heard more chimera of reconciliation. talks between the house leadership and the president. but follow the arc of this whole thing. well were thinking just last week that a default is as unlikely as a meteor hitting washington. i heard that sound bite. now i think the odds are 20% it does hit the capitol, given how forceful both sides are about not talking to each other. yesterday if these two were buddies, you would never see them in the same room again, right? ex-buddies. what have we got here? obama's comet? now 20% doesn't mean the event is going to happen. especially if there is anything to the whispered talks. after all, there is an 80% chance the talks work. and we saw today when there is any hope that we might have a deal, the market reverses and goes higher so quickly that if you do sell out tomorrow morning, i know i won't be able to get you back in. not in time. that's why i don't favor that force. that's why my charitable trust

was a net buyer today. but a 20% chance of default means you have to plan like it could happen. to me, i don't know about you, i don't know if it sounds like the treasury department has a plan. when you're playing a game of chicken, the odds increase by the day that something goes wrong, even if our leaders don't intend for to it go that way. did anybody expect buzz gunnerson to go over the cliff in "rebel without a cause"? think back five years ago. people in government were looking hard at lehman brothers. they were worried. before it fell, they were worried. but they all kind of figured that someone had a solution. they had a solution so it wouldn't go under there was a same amount of confidence that someone was going to buy that company then that i hear now that a debt ceiling deal will be done. back then it was going to be barclays or the koreans riding to the rescue. but it turned out to be no time left on the clock. it turns out the confidence was totally misplaced and we had the til perhaps this one.amit

so what would this calamity actually look like, do you think? first we had a great insight from mark patterson, a senior fellow at the center for american progress and former chief of staff of the treasury department who appeared on "squawk box" this morning. he explained in english while the deadline isn't hard and fast, it is the day when the treasury can no more guarantee all the bills of the nation will be guaranteed. it's pabl that all payments will get a haircut, or that some will be delayed or that the treasury must pick and choose what to pay and who to ignore. that's a horror show. as the month goes on with no debt issue, the top gaps won't even work and the government will be flat-out broke and most likely have to stop paying everything at the end of the month. remember, we're running a deficit, for heaven's sake. the treasure is a lot like a bank account for any small business. you don't want it to run out entirely. now, there are plenty of republicans who apparently think that the whole thing just a big charade there is plenty of money kicking around, for whatever

that matters. how can that be? if that's the case, why do we ever need to raise the court of appealing? i mean, let's lower the ceiling, unless they really have a problem with arithmetic or believe the government takes in enough to pay its bills and is hoarding some of that money somewhere. what do people want the treasury to do? cut the size of the social security cuts? only pay the five-year. cut back on the air force, not the navy. pay some, not others. does that sound responsible to you? what lesson does it teach to not pay your bills, anyway? why should i pay my bills if the government is not paying its bills? why should i have to pay my tax bill? for a moment, let's deal with the react of what happen hence the actual event occurs. how do we know what it will look like? we are fortunate now have a terrific default map put out this morning by the brilliant eye on the market editor from jpmorgan. you may steer, ah-ha, from the house of jamie dimon. but he is someone with tremendous insight and trekly

told you europing with goes to collapse before it happened. plus, listen up, gop. he is a deficit hawk. certainly more than most of the republican politicians who claim they're deficit hawks because he would actually cut entitlements. and i bet if push came to shove, most of the gop that wants to default wouldn't cut these advertisements the way that cymbalist wants to. if social security and medicare really do get slashed. he points out that if you trigger even a technical default, you would have a liquidity event that would force job cuts, tighten credit and particularly tightened for small and medium-sized businesses. ironically, that's who the gop says they stand for. that sure sounds like a recession to me. maybe even a severe one that the president predicted yesterday. simply proclaims that we're

unwilling to pay our bill, not unable. to if we do, the economy could roar out a few quarters from now. although the shutdown itself is starting to really crimp things, people. it's crimping confidence on its own right. i'm not a political guy. hey, that's one of the reasons why i'm bringing chris matthews on tonight, shed some light on how opposites can attract, because he is schooled in the ways of washington. as he worked for the ultra liberal speaker of the house tip o'neill when he was forced to work with ronald reagan. when politics work, because they're sure not working now. i am, however, schooled in the ways of wall street where we know that jobs were coming back and the world was getting strongerer before the soft got shut down and we had to put a percentage on the default. the just released fed minutes this afternoon, it made it clear the fed was split between those who saw the data getting better in the past, and those who clairvoyanty thought we might have an off the rails debt ceiling. thank goodness for the latter click, because we may need the fed to buy hundreds of billions

of dollars of bonds if bondholders want to dump their treasuries, and rates will spike even ahead of the default occurring. still another sideshow. here is the bottom line. unless the president starts negotiating or the gop caves, notice i did it one or the other, the post yellin announcement glow will be replaced once again by the gloom and doom we had last night. it would be terrific to believe that the market knew something today when it turned up mid afternoon, but then again, a week ago friday when it turned up sharply, it seemed to know a lot too. alas, it turned out to know nothing at all. why don't we go to ley in massachusetts. l.a.? >> caller: jim, i wish you and your dad well with the eagles this year. >> well, i appreciate that. a rematch of the new england patriots and the philadelphia eagles would be a suber super bowl right here in new york city. what's up? >> caller: hey, i look forward. i'm suddenly down 11% on biomarin, one of the anointed stocks. yesterday they announced an offering the senior subordinator convertible notes for r&d, which

will more than double the cash and receivables announced at the end of the second quarter, but at the price of uncertainty, which is a dirty word in cramerica. and i think it's because of the way the notes were structured. was this drop worrisome or just more washington noise? >> look, i didn't want to see that. you never want to see that. it drives the stock down. i know a lot of people are angry about this. what am i going to do? you recommend a stock and it goes up and up and up and then they do a deal and it goes down. i guess you would say i never recommended it when it was going up, but i can't. i did. i wish they hadn't done the deal. they did the deal and now i think it will be okay again. biotech will come back. it tends to come back after three or four-day decline as i said in realmoney.com. jason in california. jason? >> caller: a big boo-yah from silicon valley. >> excellent. >> caller: all right. a little background. pge is about to settle a huge lawsuit resulting from the 2010 pipeline explosion. the settlement could be in the billions. on the heels they just shut down

another pipeline due to safety concerns. stock is near 52-week lows, but offers a 4.5 dividend. this a great time? >> no. i never reach or yield. i would rather own dominion were a lower yield or con ed, okay, because i never reach for yield. that's always a sucker's game. never reach for yield in a situation that has that kind of liability. what can i say? that's the way i know it there is one thing this market loves, it craves, it's certainty. we could see mom more gloom and doom. so never forget, even the appointment of a new fed chair is a sideshow compared to the debt ceiling. "mad money" will be right back. coming up, mighty metal? alcoa is in the green after beating the bears. but can it keep its shine in light of the debates going on in d.c.? cramer's cracking open the quarter to find out. and later, state of emergency? >> open the government, pay our bills and we'll negotiate.

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alcoa may have been booted from the dow jones industrial average unceremoniously, but it shouldn't be booted from its status as a bellwether for you because the company has more to say about the state of the global economy than just about any other enterprise out there. aluminum because of its lightweight, sturdy, anti-corrosive and recyclable qualities is used for cars and trucks, bench cans, aircraft

screws, that's why when alcoa ceo klaus kleinfeld gives you his world overview in the conference call you got to marvel at his insight and his grasp of the international business scene. so, you might ask, that if i think so much of the co, which i do, what the heck is alcoa stock doing only at eight smackers? the answer is pretty simple there are two alcoas, the one that makes aluminum, and the one that makes aluminum into useful products. it's the former of the actual commodity. it's got alcoa run in place. although i don't think it's going to go down that much more unless the u.s. defaults. you see, kleinfeld can't control the world price of aluminum, and the darn metal has been in glut for years. that's been a constant drag on the company which has had to take out costs and capacity pretty much around the globe just to tread water. it doesn't matter. even after alcoa's gigantic cuts, in spain and italy, you

know what it's like to close a factory there? there is still way too much of the stuff. but they're able to fashion aluminum into products that are taking share from other materials that are growing well. even if you can't stand the stock because you never think that aluminum is ever going to go up in price again, and you're in belief that the company is actually hemorrhaging money, you should still want to know what alcoa is saying about its customers. before i tell you how they're doing, let me first tell you that klaus wants everyone to know that the debt ceiling talks are taser-like when it comes to all of alcoa's customers. meaning that -- that's not really a taser. but they're illegal in jersey. meaning that right now they're being stunned and paralyzed by the lack of negotiation or promise. that said, alcoa is painting an incredibly rosy picture, one that we're about to break right out with a global head of steam before the total breakdown, the chaos and dysfunction that is washington.

♪ leading the pack, aerospace, where there is now a 10,000 aircraft backlog. amazing. sales growing at a 9 to 10% clip. this is an industry that klaus believes can't be held back by the debt debacle. the other products are divided by sales growth in three regions -- europe, usa, and china. and all three are doing better than they were just that last quarter, and much more than they were a year ago. china in particular really seems like it could be accelerating at a very healthy clip. for example, for example, take heavy truck and trailer. that's an important category. it's incredibly big market for alcoa. the united states and europe show sluggish orders, but alcoa boosted for europe and upped the china growth rate from 12 to 16%, up to 17 to 20% range. that's pretty amazing. same with auto. alcoa stays u.s. positive,

europe minus, but china goes from 7 to 10 from 9 to 11. i know that doesn't sound a lot to you, but that is very big and very positive tightening of the range. alcoa's worldwide building construction maintaining its bench can. hey, by the way it's worth pointing out that u.s. beverage cans continue to be soft. europe has gotten weaker, down to 2 to 3 from down 1 to 2%. so keep that in mind. but overall, the global picture is robust for the engineered products portion of this aluminum maker. and you know what? i think you get even better in 2014 when costs come down and cash flow continues to rise. here is the bottom line. i'm going to say it right here. i think this stock aa deserves to sell higher. but this is a true deserves has nothing to do with it situation right out of the movie "unforgiven." however, any read of alcoa's quarter shows you the world was getting to be a stronger place,

i'll take it. stays that way. when it doesn't, you can kiss every positive statistic i gave you goodbye. tasering, and then you have to buy some staple stocks. stay tuned. i'll tell you which ones you should be buying, after the break, we'll make some money. coming up, state of emergency? >> open the government, pay our bills, we'll negotiate. >> the d.c. debate doesn't show any sign of compromise as washington barrels towards an historic default. your money son the line and cramer son the job. plus, "hardball" host chris matthews just ahead. so i c

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let's solve this. tonight we're thinking about the unthinkable. we're thinking about what the world looks like if there is no deal to raise high the debt roof beams, carpenter -- oops, i mean congress people. we're pondering what happens if the president can't figure out how the negotiate in a nonnegotiating way, and whether the grand old party is going to throw a grand old party if it can get the government to stop paying its bills because the bills are too high. the president wants the squauts quo whom. likes the squauts quo? gop wants to follow the organization that could lead to defaults and what should be paid and what shouldn't be. figuratively, that's what they want. and that's why i've taken the chances of a meteor hitting washington, or at least grazing the washington monument from 0%

last month and all the way up to 20% today. you got to be thinking of it that way. you got to. you know why? because the market is thinking that way. it's sending down the stocks of the highfliers. many did bounce when we heard of secret debt talks. but can they really be secret if we heard of them? it's walking away from the big industrials because the president has assured us that we'll have a severe recession if and when we default. some are saying he is basically guaranteeing that we'll have one if he doesn't negotiate. and the market is taking the managers. it will keep doing so as we get closer and closer to the default deadline which the president declared october 17th, and not one day later, even if it seems there is some money in the till to hold us over. something tangible that would make main street business people turn on the congress people who don't want to accept the president's view on the ceiling. at least that's the democratic party line. now, we have to be out tomorrow, but an actual investment one isn't as simple as saying i see green on my computer.

i want to buy kellogg's. that's a huge mistake, because maybe the green rally unwinds the moment bad news hits. catching a real move into the safety stocks involves battle-tested psy battle-test psychology that you're going to survive in these stocks no matter what. it tells me this group has been derisked from earning shortfalls for the moment. usual caveats. if we default, everything does go down. this week's survival guide is a cockroach-based analysis, though. after the thermonuclear financial catastrophe that some seem not to fear and others seem to want, these staple stocks could survive the fall and then breed -- too met for cal. how about prosper and come back to life very quickly. let me go over the three -- the three clues that tell me this part of the survival guide is right. first costco.

this is a company that does well when americans hunker down. you shop for bargain. you even shop for free samples. costco is the trading down police for the welloff. and for the poor who don't like the bargains at the dollar store. unique closet space to put all the bulky items. it's like you're hoarding toilet paper in a studio apartment. so why am i so confident that costco is right? because it disappointed this very morning. it did so severely. i was up at 3:00 a.m. to see the results. pathetic. and i wanted to see -- i also wanted to check. i was hopping mad because when it came over at 3:00, it was disappointing because my charitable trust had sold at 118. we told people the company could still deliver the earnings. it didn't. guess what? the stock barely went down. and then it took off. higher. one of the best performers in the whole market today. now that's what i'm talking about when i say something is immunized. heck, costco disappointed.

it's not going to disappoint again tomorrow. the rally suggests that the next quarter could be post nuclear. and in a post nuclear environment, costco does very well. although we've actually never had a post nuclear. speak figuratively. the second, conagra. it's been on a one-way ticket. consumer packaging, heinz, orrville redenbacher. it has finally caught a bid as we say on the street, which means there are buyers surfacing at last. they're willing to overlook the last quarter because these people are all obamaists. a new word. they believe the president when he series we're about to have a severe recession. why do i say that? conagra has traded down not just its branded products which tend to be inexpensive, but the store private label brands which are stocked up when people feel poor. these store bought brands no longer look like cans and boxes from a maximum security prison.

it looks pretty cool. it helps. butter. nice. those are all store-bouts. nice 3% yield. very good in a world where we don't know what treasuries will yield. there is coca-cola which has also leveled off. here is a premium brand product with a stock that has been unable to catch a bid. last night we heard klaus kleinfeld, the ceo of alcoa. that means coca-cola sales. believe me. i put two and two together and came up with that. but in a post thermonuclear war environment we still drink coca-cola. and that's why that stock feels derisked too. the best thing about the estimates world is when it gets green lighted, we don't necessarily is have to buy coca-cola or conagra. we can take our cue from them and my charitable trust did with costco. so i'm exempting that one from this analysis. what are the best staples? for is j & j. here is a multiple ways to a win-win situation. relatively new management alex gorske which is a total tnp.

meaning what, people? you know my vernacular. takes no prisoners you. have you a a balance sheet which is terrific where the environment where the ratings agency doesn't have to cut. even though a default would be caused by an unwillingness to pay, a default is a default. if it quacks like a default and walks like a default, it's a default. to allow people to see all the fast-growing drugs that the company is pumping out, as well as the cyclists on a cancer-fighting agent. j&j works, closing today just shy of $86.. finally, procter & gamble. remember that company? the one that brought in trusted old hand -- they always use that, aj laughly to turn the business around? i have contended that it really wasn't in the wilderness and the former ceo bob mcdonald had started to turn it around before he got released. proctor is taking share back from unilever and getting reinvigorated. it could restructure in a

heartbeat. it should see the benefit of the cratering of the dollar and it would benefit from the remarkably deflationary event that is a default. procter & gamble stands head and shoulders above many of the consumer names and a 3% yield. so here is my bottom line. the staples, those redoubtable cockroaches of the stock world have caught a bid. they have been immunized from the vicissitudes of the market. i guess you could say that washington's failure is, alas, their success. sonny in illinois. sonny? >> caller: sonny giving you a big chicago bears ba-ba-ba-boo-yah. >> i'm going to give you a winless giants. boo-yah. what's up? >> caller: we got a chance of beating them up, right? >> you know, i just cut ruben randle. >> caller: okay. >> i took percy harvin, he is going to start. what's up? i'm not kidding. >> caller: i just want to say i'm a long-time fan.

love your show and love your books and everything. really appreciate what you do for us small investors. >> thank you. >> caller: so our friends in the government not being able to come together on a decision and are making our country look bad, i'm taking your advice on buying companies with global exposure. can i get your opinion on two companies gannett and aes corporation, please. >> gannett -- let's just take danette. gannett is a domestic company. you own gannett because they're turning from a print to a tv -- more tv. it's kind of like oil and gas. if you're a nat gas company, you're trying to get more oily. gannett is a newspapery company that wants to get more tv-ish. and that's what that acquisition is about and why i am liking that so much. let's go to anne in kansas, please. anne? >> caller: yes. what i have a question about is hero. if you would recommend investing in them? >> no, no, no. -- let's buy the highest quality. let's buy highest quality.

hero, which is a good company. but for my charitable trust, my charitable trust is buying national oil varco. nate in virginia. nate? >> caller: boo-yah from northern virginia. >> hey, it's for lovers. >> caller: thank you for all your literature and for your recent constitutional scholarship. i really appreciate it. >> quite welcome. >> caller: in the doomsday day of october 17th and what i call the effective dooms date of november 1 or 2. >> right. >> caller: i have about half my portfolio coming up for earnings announcements. and i was wondering if i could get a little guidance from you on how to play hit the time. >> well, i think earnings are going to be tough. however, at one point today we heard a whiff, a scintilla even of possible talks between the president and congress. and the market reversed so quickly. if i told you to get out and get back in, i would be making your head spin, not unlike reagan in the exorcist. i'm not going to do that to you, sir. the estimates are back.

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i want to know your take on whether i should hold it or get rid of it? >> it's okay. i have to tell you i do forever pepsico, but that's been a good company, cce. so i'm not going to tell you to sell it. but i do like pepsico more. may i go to nick in sweet home alabama. nick? >> caller: how you doing, jim. >> all right. how about you, partner. >> caller: i'm doing pretty good. i have a question pertaining to united therapeutics, uthr? >> yes, yes. >> caller: it has kind of pulled back roughly about 5 or 10 in the past few days. i wonder if you think is a correction. >> these are going to have four days worth of sell-offs before they can bottom. my friend bob lange, he and i were consulting back and forth on this. it's four days before you can expect to bottom. i expect more pain ahead for united therapeutics. guthrie in tennessee, please. guthrie? >> caller: boo-yah from memphis, jim. >> wow, man, memphis. i'm digging that.

what's going on? >> caller: all right. i have a play here. i've been in hhs. the impressive ceo was on your show in june. the stock price can't find the bottom. on monday the stock took a 14% dive. on no news i could find. what am i missing, or am i just looking at the company in the wrong way? >> no. i just think that's just a good solid business. that's surprising. let me do some more work on that. i think that's a good solid business. it's mystifying to me. let's do some work. let's go to lloyd in alabama. lloyd? >> caller: hi, jim. what's going on? >> hey, man, what's happening with you? >> caller: my question is about pharmaceuticals. is 44 a good answer for it? >> you know, this stock has defied the gravity that is pulling down so many of the other biotechs and it was up today. i'm not inclined to tell you to buy. the group is for sell. wait a couple of days. i know that sounds like a

doctor. but the group is for sale. let's be careful. let's go to sandeep in connecticut. >> caller: thanks for taking my call. my clock is fly. i bought at 55. should i buy more or sell out of it? >> oh, boy, the leasing of aircraft. you know, i don't know the leasing of aircraft business, how it's doing well. i presume it's doing well, so i'm doing work. let's go to shannon in michigan. shannon? >> caller: how you doing, cramer. i just wanted to know what you think of facebook at its current levels. >> stephanie link, who was on the previous show on "fast money" went back and forth a little bit today, frantic on facebook. that stock is for sale. who else has that kind of growth? i was stoumpbd that. i think the stock has great tloet, but all the highfliers were in day three of the sell-off other than biotech day two. i expect the stock to be under pressure for a couple more days. i think it will be okay. let's go to c.c. in indiana. c.c., close to home.

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we've entered a moment where the market hangs on every word from washington, not wall street. every press conference with the president, you don't have to like it. i certainly don't. be you obviously need to understand it. and the reality of it is i'm a stock expert, not a politics guy. which is why tonight we're talking to someone who understands the situation better than pretty much anyone out there. chris matthews, the host of msnbc's "hardball," which you can catch week nights at 7:00 p.m. eastern. and before that, way back during the reagan administration when the democrats controlled the house of representatives, he was the chief of staff to legendary

house speaker tip o'neill. in fact, chris has a new book out called "tip and the gipper: when politics worked." about how president reagan and tip o'neill actually compromised to get things done. wonder of wonders. i'm enjoying it. chris is an old friend. welcome to "mad money," chris. how you been? >> thank you, jim, so much. >> i'm enjoying the book. when i read about social security, which i think is actually going to have a potential stoppage, neither man would ever even dream of that happening. everybody would come together. what has happened since then? >> well, they were -- they were at odds on social security. reagan had that strange history back in the '60s when he was very conservative, saying he wanted to become -- make the program voluntary, which of course scared the heck out of the liberals. and then of course he tried to reduce the colas and penalize early retirement, take it from 80% if you retire at 62 down to 55%. he tried a number of those

things. he basically lost the '82 midterm election over that and then decided now it's time to deal. and jim baker, the chief of staff to the president, let's not take any more heat on this. let's get this monkey off our back. and alan greenspan came in and they put together a commission. and with the help of people like pat moynihan of new york and bob doll of kansas, they put together a deal. the speaker and the president that basically leaned a bit left because it basically had an implicit -- what do you call it, a means test, because it basically said if you make more than a certain amount of money, it was $20,000 then, half your social security benefits are taxable. so they did that they also delayed the cola three months and raised the retirement age later in the legislative process. and what do you know, it's been good all these years. they could put it together. neither guy agreed on either principle. they disagreed on all the particulars, but said i'll give you this pile of chips, you give me your pile of chips. make sure they're equal. negative, one said i am not negotiating on this, like president obama is saying right now about the debt ceiling.

no one ever said that during this whole period. >> well, i think there is a difference in that this usually you grab the baby and ask for the money. but in this case, they have grabbed the money and asked for the baby. this is something that obama created. see not going to allow it to be dismembered, have a toe cut off or i'll take the baby back with maybe a toe missing. see not going to do it because he just created this program and hasn't even been put into effect yet. i'm just talking politics here. i don't think obama will give an inch on that issue. i think he'll give on -- he always talks about entitlement reform. he always talks about corporate tax reform of some kind. but he always wants something in return. maybe the deal now is what he gets in return is a debt ceiling. i think that might be the game if they delay this a coupe of weeks or even if they cut a deal in principle next week. >> are we going to default? >> i don't know. i know this -- i don't know. i don't know how you can predict this. boehner hasn't moved. where i do see progress is paul

ryan, who is talking about the things i'm talking about, broader set of reforms, rather than focusing at all on health care. i think they all know what they have to do. they got to increase growth. the president said that yesterday. got to make it better for us to compete in the world, our corporations. those are realities he addressed yesterday. i think what will happen, i've written an article about this. i think what will happen is somebody in the budget committee more likely the ways and means committee or the senate finance committee is going to come up with something the next couple of days. it's not going to be the president, because if it has his name on it, it is doa. i don't think bainer has the authority to come up with anything. but somebody at the committee level, and those are the guys who actually write these bills, is going to come up with something. i hope by tuesday. that. >> is the best news that i have heard. no one -- >> can smell it. i can smell it. >> one last question i've got to ask you. when reagan gets elected, tip o'neill says hey, you know what? the majority has shifted. i'm now in the minority. they don't do that anymore. >> there is an old tradition, jim you.

remember. it was called the honeymoon. you get elect the president of the united states, the voters respect it, not the new guy. the voter, hey you voted for this good night. he's got to get his day in court. so tip said we're going to get single thing you want voted by august 1. you'll have the whole thing if you can win. he won the tax cut, the spending cut on domestic programs and the hike on defense. tip didn't like any of that. but he said i want the monkey off my back. i'm not going to be an obstructionist. i want reagan to be responsible. so by august 1, everything was passed. that is the way government used to work. used to. >> they cared about deadlines. i think $80 million of the social security checks may not go out on time november 1. >> well, they're waiting in line after the debt payments. i'll tell you one thing. >> philosophy, you're the expert. if you see an airline that goes from 100% safety record, they're averaging over 100 years, which we've always had on paying our debts and announced the next day 95% safety record. nobody is getting on that plane. >> right. exactly. >> they'll say what the hell

happen heard? you used to have 100% safety record, which was our pride and joy. i was a paper boy, and i bought savings bonds because everybody said it didn't pay as high interest, but it's as solid as the government. the chinese billionaire still buys our paper because we pay our debts. what happen hence the word gets out that we don't? this is playing with crazy. >> you're a straight shooter. thank you so much for cosming on "mad money." >> thank you, jim. >> i will enjoy this book. i'm only a couple of pages through it. but i've read every single one of your books and you know that because you've quizzed me. thank you so much for coming on the show. >> thanks, jim. >> i got to tell you, i do love all his book and i do love them and we talked about it. when politics worked.

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when you go to buy something. many scan in bar coded data. without mobeam, it can't process it. it causes your phone to send a beam of light that scanners can detect. all the digital coupons you get offered online, mobeam makes them easy to use, definitely good to know about as we head into a government-induced reception. it works only on samsung phones at the moment. but that's pretty darn cool. and it brings you one step closer to the future where you use your phone for everything. let's take a closer look with ben dupont, in order to learn more about the future of mobile commerce and mobeam. welcome to "mad money." >> have a seat. >> thank you so much. >> is this the u.s.'s first shopping phone? >> i think so. >> you do? >> i do. i do. i mean, jim, there are 200 million supermarket checkout scanners in the world that cannot talk to a cell phone today. and mobeam changes that.

>> mobeam changes that, why didn't apple pay you to keep it from samsung? >> that's a great question, jim, and i don't know i can answer that we're talking with all the major hand set manufacturers. >> so sam the deal with deal with samsung is not exclusive? >> tapering? oh my god. ben bernanke, welcome aboard. keep it vague, ben. how does it work? at starbucks that. >> already have it. but this is different from starbucks. >> right. if you're a retailer, you can do what starbucks did, which is spend some money, upgrade your entire point of sale systems, and that's millions and millions of dollars. >> right. >> and i think they have about 20,000 stores, and i don't think they value of them yet. with mobeam, you get the same functionality at 200 million scanners. it works today globally. and we're only in the samsung galaxy 4 and the samsung note 3, two flagship devices. but the beautiful thing if you had to pick two devices to be, in those would be good ones. we'll be in over 100 million

devices by the end of december. >> mobeam will be? >> mobeam will be. >> this is not a downloadable app? this comes built-in? >> yes and. no. >> i want to download it tonight. >> you can download it tonight. >> but have i an apple. >> you can only download it on a samsung galaxy 4 and a samsung note 3 that just came out. >> okay. so this just came out? >> this just came out. and the app is very simple. it's just loyalty cards and gift cards for the time being. so it's a little inefficient. >> are you in gamestop? they have 32 million people. are you in any of the ones in my supermarkets in philly? >> i'm not sure what you mean. but we will work with all major -- >> i'm trying to figure out some of the biggest loyalty program i know. >> anything that is bar code-base, we'll work with. all these cards you have to carry around and i'm dropping them down -- >> yes. which i do. >> i never carry mine. you know, this phone replaces all of this.

>> really? >> all of it. >> can you show us? >> it's quite simple. that's my son there. if i wanted to take -- private companies. >> if i was going to take you shopping, first, there is my gift card. and it's beaming right now. that's a dummy bar code. put it over the scanner, beep. >> why doesn't my phone work? >> it's got to have a little piece there is a little piece -- >> what is the matter with my screen? >> it's great question there are about ten reasons why your screens won't display bar codes. i mean, if you have studied physics in high school, there is parallax. supermarkets are just bright places. it just doesn't work. when i say it doesn't work, it doesn't work like a thousand out of a thousand times. >> and why can't i just invent this? >> the smart people at mobeam. not me, the smart guys at mobeam worked really hard on all this. so this is a simple app. again, right now it's just

loyalty and gift. >> but you're making it sound that one day it will be everything, point and click. >> right. it will be everything. give us until q1 or maybe q2. and here is a gift card. an amex gift card i want to pay. i just put that over the scanner. it's just like i paid with an am next gift card. so it's that simple. >> so if i go -- >> it works everywhere there is an app call beep and go. and i think that's the key message. i love your board back there. i looked at a little bit of the show. you have all these sounds. the sound you don't have, jim, the sound of a supermarket check scanner going beep. >> that's very true. >> that's the sound of commerce. that's the sound. that's what mobeam enables. >> ben dupont, founding and managing director of yet two ventures. i want to know my phone, apple. stay with cramer. mad about "mad money"? immerse yourself into cramer's

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it's cloudy because of citrix. we've got to do more work on that. there is always a i will see you tomorrow. is there a new ray of hope in washington? well, it does indeed look like the chances are improving for a short-term debt and budget deal that would then buy time for a real negotiation for the longer term. it's also hopeful that republicans and democrats in both houses are meeting with president obama who is finally getting involved. but the markets continue to be skittish about all the shutdown and default talk. interest rates actually starting to creep up on very short-term bonds. and president obama finally officially nominated janet yellen the queen of the dubs