tv Squawk on the Street CNBC January 21, 2014 9:00am-12:01pm EST
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there it is, boom. >> let's get back so people can see the guitar. look at it. >> it folds right up. kevin, thanks for joining us. >> fender-bender. million dollar idea. only on "shark tank." >> "shark tank" tuesday. >> it was great having you on. it was so fun. make sure you join us live tomorrow from davos. "squawk on the street" is next. ♪ rocky mountain high colorado ♪ rocky mountain high colorado good tuesday morning, welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quintanilla with jim cramer and david faber at the new york stock exchange. buckle up for a busy way, davos and the s&p reporting and we've got it all today. the futures looking not too bad. the ten year is 284. europe is mostly positive
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despite the first decline in german investor confidence in about six months. the roadmap begins with a slew of big-name earnings, verizon, j&j and travelers and delta beating estimates we'll break down the quarters of each. taking a large position in dow chemical calling for a strategic review. and attention business travelers the eastern half of the u.s. bracing for another big snowstorm and biting cold, we'll get into that, but first, it's a big morning for earnings. three dow components in the mix, verizon and j&j and travelers beating the streets with their quarterly results. outside of the dow delta air lines did also exceed consensus with profit of 65 cents a share helped by lower fuel costs. let's go through the big dow names. bus unlike last week unlike last week almost uniformly good. >> i like what verizon had to say, buzzing about it with david beforehand. i like the earnings per share. i really like the revenue
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growth. i like the churn. there was a discussion about churn. still below one. frankly like directv. like comcast, parent company. people just keep signing up. it is a remarkable juggernaut of an industry. >> but different from at&t to a certain extent and t-mobile. here you have the case where they're not suffering at all from competition from t-mobile, in fact, they may be courting numbers from t-mobile seeing that growth at verizon. if you growth, they had a bit of a problem in terms of through-put for the lte, you know, the 4g that you're all on, if you try to get data in big urban areas in new york city, they were always thought of the best. they must have thrown a good amount of money at it because it seems to have improved and they did not lose subscribers as a result. wireless margins still look good. the call's going on right now and i haven't had a chance to really listen to much of it so we'll see if we get anything else but overall it looks like a pretty good quarter from verizon. >> you raise a really good point
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the idea of improving the network. one thing that stood out, verizon said $16.5 billion and for 2014 and a lot thought cap-x would be down and it's good for the telco equipment companies. >> buying media assets from intel, that's the other story. fios revenue was up 16% and more than a third, i think 35% on customers who can receive fios do. our building is going fios. >> we haven't had the vote we need to make sure there's enough available households in the building so they'll take it from the street to the actual building. but the purchase of the intel over-the-top platform if we can call it that, that's what it essentially is, is interesting. it's not a large dollar amount by any means, a few hundred million bucks is what we're thinking. they're going to integrate ip-based tv services with fios video to further differentiate fios from traditional able tv
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offerings and reduce ongoing deployment costs. they'll be getting bigger in the programming game, too. >> i think many of us, i switched from time warner to verizon. and i've got to tell you that these numbers show that there's some sort of technological superiority. it's interesting to hark back to what you were talking about the activism and the bid for time warner. fios is taking share, not from cost cast, because comcast numbers were juggernaut. there's so many moving parts, i do not see t-mobile taking share. >> no. and fios competes 13% overlap with time warner table. the biggest overlap where it competes the most is cablevision if you want to think about that. >> interesting. >> and, of course, time warner cable for its part would say to charter just going down that road for a minute, you're not competing with anybody the way we're competing against fios. we've got a much tougher go here. >> right. >> give us a break when you say you can improve things so dramatically, you try to come in and fight with fios.
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>> come in the water is fine. >> your point, the numbers so far, carl, this is a day where between activism and earnings, it is a very different tone from last week. >> yes. j&j beats by four cents. u.s. sales up seven led by pharma. their guidance for the year under consensus of 575 to 585 where the street is but some have pointed out they did the same thing last year and beat hand handily. >> goreski is under promise, overdeliver. his predecessor was an overpromise, undeliver. he's learned the lesson. remember, pharma is this company. this company's got growth pharma unlike pretty much all the other big dogs. i like the growth that i see in the higher-margin businesses in some of these drugs. it's still another good number for them. people think it's a tylenol play or a neutrogena play, it's a
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high-growth biotech play unlike bristol-myers. >> wow. >> it's been a while. >> bristol-myers will report a good quarter i think, i like j&j and travelers, and they buy back more. fishman is not a promoter. >> no. >> he's not a promoter. >> no, he's not. but it's worked for him. >> travelers was a big beat, 268 versus 215. premiums up five. claims were down. >> right. >> but it has had some trouble getting -- breaking out past 90. >> once again, storms raised rates and the next year no storms, big profit. >> right. >> but travelers been buying back stock. i'm sure there will be something on the call. the last time there was a concern, he mentioned competition. one of the things people need to realize at home when you're on a conference call, if you hear the word mixed or competition, the hedge funds come in and blast it out. they just react like that to some sort of program. competition, blast. >> speaking of hedge funds, what
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a morning. >> wow. >> we got activism front and center, of course, not to mention it all. but dan lopes taking dow chemical the bigger activism of the morning. it's constructive actism if you will from morlobe amr. loeb. in this case, it's a letter released on this relatively new website called harvest. if you want to know the -- it's hvst.com. it's not enough to be a billionaire, you got to own a stake in a website and put your letters out there to drive traffic to it. that's the case here. you remember kyle bass also releasing his views on gm on this same platform a few weeks back. as for those views from mr. loeb they are centered on dow chemical's underperformance really since 1999 makes a point right at the beginning of his letter, saying, the stock price
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is the same it was in april '99, 15 years ago you could have purchased this for the same amount of money. >> incredible. >> let's get to it, guys. let's separate the petrochemical business from the rest of the company. dow's petrochemical operational strategy has been to migrate downstream supposedly to earn higher margins but he said it's not working and you should be focused upstream where you'll benefit in the enormous drop in natural gas which is a key feedstock and separate it out and take your time, by the way, says mr. loeb. the nomination deadline has already passed for getting directors, so there's not going to be a fight here for most likely a year. that means they have a year conceivably to consider some of these things. the question is where other shareholders are. loeb clearly believes as we've seen when they take the large stakes in megacap companies that he has the support of the other top ten shareholders. that's what you need because
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otherwise you won't go very far because he doesn't have a big economic interest to dictate terms. >> coleman at dupont took these actions. if you look at eastman chemical and westlake, these were companies that really embraced the natural gas shale revolution. i will tell you that liverist has decided to open plants. he's going to build a plant. he's one of the few really out there. but at the same time the underperformance is stark. and i completely understand the idea that the company has been undermanaged, the deals, the car valve for commodity versus the spin-out of coleman or the merger to spin-out with ppg. it's undermanaged and there's a sense that liveris is a professorer. >> he was a guest this morning on cnbc. he joined andrew sorkin from davos.
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liveris did know that loeb was coming. interesting timing on their part. concluding the interview just prior to mr. loeb's release of the letter. here's what liveris had to say. >> we should all be thinking like the nelson peltzers, i have no problem with people saying here's better waifs to get things done but as management you have to think about those ways which i believe at dow we've been doing. if you look at something like my balance sheet which is the best it's been in about a decade, we've got expensives on it like the preferred from warren buffett. >> if you get the stock up above 52 for any length of time you will get rid of those preferreds. they can convert. they will be converted, i believe, and that will, he mentioned how expensive they are, of course, paying that dividend, so that's another thought process here if you can get the stock moving towards 52 and get it to average that price for 20 of 30 trading days, they convert. that's another expensive thing
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done away with on the balance sheet. this will be interesting to watch. and, again, loeb, sony, remember, somewhat friendly. unclear whether it really got much done there. he might claim that he did in terms of transparency, but certainly they have not done the subsidiary ipo they were calling for. loeb's cf they sold their phosphate business, friendlier and in this case that's the way he's going trying to be constructive. we'll see, $1.3 billion stake is his largest single position. >> it's really big and we have to watch it because dow chemical could be worth a considerable amount of money. >> and then there's nelson peltzer, of course, being added to the board in mondelez and as andrew ross sorkin reported earlier this morning not going to push for a pepsi deal. but clearly loeb not the only activist making some news today. >> i think this is a company, i can speak on the fundamental side has been undermanaged a lot. people feel it should have had
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longer growth. had a long history in cad burca. they are fighting history, heinz made a lot of changes internally and wendy's, did a lot of good there, ingersoll-rand, for those who say the story is over, it could be just beginning. >> interesting heinz was the last time that pelz ran a proxy fight. it appeared he was close to doing so here, sources indicated he wanted two board seats it would appear and he ends up getting a board seat for himself and no stand still. in other words, meaning that, you know, he doesn't have to support the board in what it does. but, of course, he most likely will. if he had gone to a proxy fight, he would have gone after four seats. but it's interesting he hasn't done that. a lot of times they don't want to go to proxy fights. you're seeing a lot more settlements than fights and heinz is a long, long time ago. >> heinz he did get in and
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robert johnson came on when i did a "mad money" show at university of texas, he came on. and i thought for sure he would say -- >> bill johnson. >> bill johnson, i'm sorry. that there was not a report and he says that they put good guys on the heinz board. i believe chuck bunch ppg of the pittsburgh ties. and they originated a lot of good ideas and he welcomed them. i wonder if irene rosenfeld doesn't actually welcome some of the ideas from pelz even though i know there was not a lot of goodwill, you never know when goodwill can spring. >> as you point out it's about operations. it's not about a pepsi deal. that's off the table in terms of him pushing for anything like that. it's just about doing better. >> he was relatively specific on some of those ideas when we talked to him at delivering alpha in july. here's a listen. >> my fault with irene is twofold. first of all i think the name
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mondelez, i think that hurts us two multiples. >> really? >> it sounds like a disease. suffering from mondelez. >> what -- >> but, you're right, her margins are way, way lower than what they should be. and when irene and i meet again, in the very near future, we -- that's exactly what we'll talk about. >> they got to have more changes now. i'll tell you that. >> nelson does a lot of work about overhead. and kind of let's call it wiggle and royal. there's people who own -- you can try -- there's a lot of unallocated overhead and he's been a laser on that. i don't think he likes imperial ceos. >> yeah. and after a couple of not great years at trion they had a strong year last year, they were up 40. that was a big year and they needed it because they'd had a
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couple of lackluster years performancewise at the fund itself. >> look at wendy's. it's remarkable. it's been a fantastic burger and stock. >> i bet it is. when we come back, a ceo whose company is helping to bring bitcoin to the masses. stick around to find out. another winter blast meantime getting ready to take aim at the east coast and we'll get a forecast and one of the areas preparing for the storm. a couple thousand flights canceled around the eastern seaboard today and then the analysts' moves from marriott to ge to apple to burger king to the gap. more "squawk on the street" live from post nine in a moment. [ male announcer ] this is the story
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maximize the storm's potential. that's when it will snow the heaviest. we'll also see that accompanied by wind and falling temperatures, and that will be not only here but all the way up through the northeast megalopolis, d.c., philly, new york and boston. a huge concern as we work through the afternoon as conditions on the ground and in the air will continue to deteriorate. you mentioned the federal offices are closed and what's interesting is especially for d.c. and the southern areas there's winter storm warnings out all the way down to the tidewater of virginia, southeast of virginia we're talking about, is the type of snow. it will be a very light, fluffy snow, not the kind of snow you make snow men with or have a snowball fight with, it's very low water content, and it will blow and drift around and cause visibilities to drop quickly to a quarter or a mile or less. even long after the snow is gone tomorrow expect a lot of blowing and drifting of that snow and
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bitterly cold and dangerous temperatures well below zero. this is what you call the bite of winter and it's going to bite pretty hard here on this mid-january day. back to you. >> my favorite quote -- thank you, jim. my favorite quote is from mayor de blasio from new york, he came into office on the first vortex, with it was so excited they decided to do it again. >> when you see the market up, remember, people will be running home today. they're not going to stay until the end of the day. >> the day after tomorrow was on the other night and i caught a little bit of the end there. the polar vortex. >> global warming was not in the -- global warming an important article about china exporting pollution to us and taking our jobs. that had been my position and suddenly it's becoming mainstream. but read those stories. very important in terms of what our country may end up doing with the chinese. >> and watch nat gas, powering half the homes in this country. >> propane, i've been watching propane, that's a group that's
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feel like william tell ♪ all right, we got a "mad dash" on a tuesday. man, there was some good fat ball this wreckeeekend? >> don't you ever talk about me! don't you open your mouth about the best stock picker in the game! all right. >> i won't. i won't. >> thank you. >> he's almost as smart as you are. almost. >> stanford and a great poet and one of the most articulate people in the nfl and i do love him. >> absolutely entertaining. and also informative. as you are. >> well, thank you. >> what are we talking about on the "mad dash"? >> get your hand out of my face and we'll talk. i tried to shake his hand. alcoa, jpmorgan had been a naysayer about the great work of who? kleinfeld, and this was a breakout quarter and they shut some more smelting. bhp is shutting smelting as well, too. i think this company is on the warpath to make big money this
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year. >> do you? >> yes, i do. >> which means a lot more klaus kleinfeld, you'll hear more as the year goes. appro pro of what loeb wants, cut the upstream, make it so they become the low-cost producer. they have a new plant coming online in saudi arabia. the lowest cost producer of aluminum. and lightweighting think about the word we heard from phil lebeau about ford motor that is uniquely about alcoa. 3 million screws in any new plane from boeing, alcoa. >> let's move on to planes and delta. >> okay, delta, this is one, you know, we have an extremely full plane, be sure that your overhead, you know, all that stuff, that's about delta. once again, delta -- by the way, lowering the cost of its -- getter better planes in that use less fuel. fuel has come down. they bought a refinery in a very kind of radical action.
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this is delta and northwestern, the country has been carved up and the justice department has blessed it. this is a precursor to a series of great quarts united continental will be good and southwest will be good and the standout i believe will be american airlines and the merger with us airways. you have to read through the lines, okay, but i think it's just terrific and that's why we grabbed them right after their gains. >> i liked it. >> i love erin andrews. her father loves our show. he loves our show. here dad is a great watcher of cnbc. >> all she did was pat him on the butt. come on. we've got the opening bell in about 3 1/2 minutes. a lot more "squawk on the street" including jim cramer's richard sherman imitation right after this.
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been said for this morning for the year so far sideways has been the new action. >> well, i mean, one of the things when i went over the charts this weekend. industrials had been on fire. banks have been terrific. health care good. oil horrendous. horrendous declines in that group. i mean, just -- and then retail's been by far the worst. i could not find a single retail chart that i didn't think was a short. every one a short. >> really? >> yeah. >> every one a short. >> there's a look at the s&p and pretty good breadth at the beginning. chc group celebrating its ipo which took place last friday. popeye's louisiana kitchen the franchiser and operator of popeye's restaurant. >> will be on the show. from philadelphia, they've done a remarkable job and one of the bankable 21 in "get rich carefully" i can't wait to see
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her. >> you mentioned oil, jim, exen is cut by b of a to neutral and the price target goes to 106, up 16% in the fourth quarter. >> it was really the only major that was up. almost everything else at royal dutch did not have that good of a quarter. you'll see conoco philips is down to a 4% yield. the bigger use, schlumberger and halliburton service numbers were quite good and the helicopter company does a lot of offshore where i know that the chatter is maybe, maybe not. offshore has been very good and middle east drilling particularly, yes, iraq. has been very strong. >> i'll tell you what's getting some power leading the s&p is dow chemical, david. 6%. >> it's nice when you can take a $1.3 billion position, you're not a mutual fund, you're a large hedge fund that is activist in nature oftentimes and right away you are up 6 1/2%
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the minute you divulge the position even if you don't get anything you're asking from. >> isn't that a good point. >> mr. loeb asking for a strategic review, separating the petrochemicals from the rest of the businesses. you seem to also think it's not a bad idea to at least investigate. >> i look at dupont and i think about all -- dow's run a series of ads for years talking about the human quotient, all the different high value added businesses they have internally. in the meantime they've been somewhat aggressive in trying to build plants but a lot of companies already had chemical company plants within this area where the feedstock is so inexpensive. this is still a great american story. the renaissance. by the way, unless we get the export of oil, i mean, there's just a glut everywhere. natural gas because that's a by-product of finding oil, we burn off more than we use. and so people feel like, well,
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if we burn it, why isn't dow chemical 100% based here. they've also had a series of missteps and a lot of people feel he buys high and sells low. >> he followed through on the purchase of rohm & haas and many people thought they would walk away and they did not. i guess even now there's a question as to whether programs they should have figured out a way out instead of following through. >> look at ppg. i mean, this company reported another magnificent quarter. they have systematically gotten out of commodity, systematically gone into proprietary and that's what people are expecting of dow. you break the two companies up, you get a proprietary and a commodity, hey, do you know what, i like that. >> you mentioned retail, jim, a lot going on with target. not only were there two arrests reportedly made in connection with that breach, "the journal" says today they actually gave up on smarter technology years ago. >> yes. >> that might have prevented all of this and cowan cuts it to an
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underperform basically saying the buyback history and holding on to as much cash as they can. >> "the new york times" piece was devastating in terms of the size of the breach target. and suddenly everyone around the country i think is looking at their credit card bill in a way they haven't done before and i think that target's part and parcel of this real negative feel for tech -- for retail. other than gap stores, where there is a remarkable sell to buy just saying it's undervalued. i do not trust this group. i reiterate. i do not trust this group. >> stern's point is comps get easier they were a rare holiday outperformer and the short thesis worked wonderfully in the latter half of last year. >> there's other groups to buy. other groups are on the move today and i just think when you do retail when the smoke clears people say, well, you know, this is not an important time for retail now in january. there's not a lot of data points. you just have the stench of the last quarter. >> stern also by the way takes tjx to a neutral.
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that stock was up 40% in the past 12 months. all-time high valuation. >> that's a brutal one for my charitable trust, been the biggest winner that and macy's the two retailers that done very well. but the issue here, again, is the outperformance versus the decline in the group. watch walmart. walmart is another really horrible chart frankly. horrible. >> we talked a good deal about mondelez shares down 2% this morning. perhaps there was a thought that there would be a proxy fight and would bring on even more change. i don't know. m&a, not much to speak of. it's not a monday so we couldn't have a merger monday anyway. >> i thought bud, you know. >> right. ambev buying back a korean brewer from private equity that they sold them and what a deal for the private equity guys. >> yeah, talk about sell low, buy high or something. >> they sold it at the time to help reduce the debt when they
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were doing the bud deal and now they come back for it. ibm also i should mention in talks to sell its low-end server business to lenovo and the stock is not up. >> that's been hit by activism and i think got belligerent. >> that was carl icahn for a long time. he was a no shares for a long time. >> activism is front and center this year already. there was a note put out this morning i thought was very important, appro pro of what happened with verizon and cap-x saying it's okay to buy juniper, why? because elliott management's in there and they feel that elliott management's going to be able to accomplish some things that people didn't expect. when i look at the amount of money that verizon is spending and you know sprint is spending because they have a 3,000-year perspective on sprint, right, 200-year perspective? i think people have to recognize this group is still cheap.
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jpmorgan goes hold to buy altera. these are other spending plays. i just like this group very much. >> and we'll get ibm tonight along with texan and xilinx, it will be a busy few days. >> xilinx takes off. >> stock gen cuts to a hold even though susquehanna makes it a great idea. it will be a july launch not a september, october launch. >> i think that apple again is an undervalued stock. my father always said there's certain retail products that are fo football, it's on sale here and there. apple has become this kind of much talked situation, up three, down three, i think you have to stop trading the ticks.
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and there's people who are, like, jim, jim, doing something about apple. do something about apple? who do i look like? do something about apple. do i look like some sort of, like, a wizard. cook can do something. jim, do something with oil. >> i've seen you look wizard like. >> when i put on my richard sherman clothes. don't talk to me about apple. >> apple does report next weekend. all the estimates on iphone shipments and volume are going to start to get very interesting. >> i think so. i think people will go through the fine tooth comb. i saw some pictures where there weren't lines in china and then i saw pictures where there were lines in china. if apple would pay 100 chinese actors, the stock would be up ten. enough of this playing the line game. >> you can pay them cheap in china. >> the foxconn guys. apple has retail chains, and
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mall traffic's down. look at starbucks goes conviction buy to buy. and i think, again, people are saying, well, starbucks is not immune. starbucks raw costs going up. and people taking pictures at bad-looking sears. >> i've seen those. >> again, you know, retail. retail, retail. >> the latest pastime talk into your local retail store and take a picture of it. >> you mentioned goldman taking starbucks off the conviction list and replacing it with burger king which has been a beautiful performer at the expense of mcdonald's. >> talking about bringing out value there. burger king is i think that -- i continue to think that a food chain issue. people don't want burger king. but -- >> that's an all-time high. >> it's working. it's working. and wendy's did very well. this is all chock-full when you talk about the banks, hilton came public this time, not that -- >> not that long ago. now we got the assumption of
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coverage by all the firms, right? >> basel coming over, that was a company that successfully said we got to bring out value in commodities and if you go to louisiana, i love going to louisiana because you see hands-on not just true detective, what a series, but just the immense amount of petrochemical activity going on. the largest project in louisiana is the ellen g. cheniere energy export of natural gas. maybe 30,000 jobs being generated and 10,000 people scrambling to be able to build the plants. and get rid of the l & g, and we had studies about how much more expensive european energy is, and more european companies moving to the delta and the gulf than we have. >> the early enthusiasm has brought us only 24 points on the dow. >> the kickoff openings on monday. >> let's get to pisani on the floor, hey, bob. >> happy tuesday. bottom line is we're not that
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far from historic highs on the s&p 500. you see the dow, dow chemical or dow, but it's dragging up not just the overall markets particularly the material sector. put up dow chemical up about 8% on word that dan loeb investment and that is dragging up the materials sector as a whole. you'll see that's a market leader this morning along with some of the other subgroups in that particular group. as far as earnings go, kind of a mixed story today. all of the major companies reporting beat on the top line and most of them beat on the bottom line as well. verizon is on the up side here buying intel media assets. one of the cloud tv products. delta is doing great. that's a -- should be right near a historic high, it was earlier in the day and ameritrade came out a short while ago. they beat. sort of a mixed start here for the earnings season. you mentioned you like to watch johnson & johnson i like to watch unilever because they always come out and talk sector
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by sector and country by country. this is one of the biggest food guys in the world. europe was flat. i was a little disappointed to hear that, they did say southern europe was stabilizing. asia was very mixed. they said china and indonesia were growing, but they singled out vietnam, thailand and south africa, they said they were all below historic rates here. seemed a little puzzled by that. south america's doing great. double digit sales growth. north america had lower volumes but they mentioned personal care was stronger. what's it all mean? i would call it a fairly mixed picture, i would have liked to see more optimistic comments on europe and asia. we're in the middle of earnings season and through with banks and generally we did very well, the markets held up very well on the bank earnings and today we'll really turn to the tech group, so tonight will be ibm, texas instruments, amd, xilinx will be reporting after midnight. china gdp growth did you see it over the weekend, 7.7%, heavens
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knows how they hit the targets, 7.7%, december retail sales up 13.6% only a slight deceleration from november so overall the economic numbers for china were not that bad. by the way they injected a lot of money the people's bank of china into the system overnight and i think that might have helped move the markets up a little bit there. i want to talk about lenovo maybe buying ibm's low-end server business the x-86 business, this is the food chain exhibited in technology these days. remember lenovo bought ibm's pc business in 2005 and by all accounts they've done a great job managing that business even improving the margins a little bit but the business is so tough pc steals are plummeting worldwide and even they have to go out and buy more businesses just to figure out a way to keep growing. ibm is disappointed the last couple times. tonight it's going to be important. guys, back to you. >> all right, thanks very much, bob pisani.
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>> shares of verizon are down this morning after what looked like a good quarter. a couple of things to share from this somewhat unexpected, certainly very small but perhaps important acquisition of intel's let's call it media assets for lack of a better term. this gets into things like cloud tv products and services. i know it gets kind of complicated or can make some people's eyes glaze over. asked about the acsis, they said as far as the on-q acquisition, they'll integrate it into fios video service and trying to differentiate it even more so the fiber to the home versus others with the tv offerings and reducing deployment costs and also raised the prospect of getting more elegant search and discovery and interactivity and screen use and also the idea
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that when they own 100% of verizon wireless, they're going to take that platform and integrate it more deeply with the verizon wireless 4g-lte network and deliver it to you on your phone or mobile device wherever you are as a result of this acquisition. worth paying attention to simply because dollarwise it's quite small intel's now out of that business. we thought they would be become another provider of content services and distributor. >> i felt this is the rationalization about intel, i didn't think the quarter was near-as bad. my charitable trust owns it. i look at this verizon and i think we're in the mode again if you're spending we don't like you. >> that's what it is. >> we want more money back in buyback. we want more money in dividend. i mean, if you're a gilead, you can spend all you want because we want that.
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amazon can spend all it wants. but with verizon we want that dividend higher and somehow we feel that when they do something like this maybe they can't. >> or cap-x as you pointed out as well and lot of the stocks reacting. let's move on from stocks to bonds and head over to the bond pits. rick santelli join us from the cme group in chicago. rick? >> we continue to see that the ten year is idling at lower yields. now, granted, we haven't had a huge rally pushing the rates down but the intraday and open the chart up to december and ultimately further back towards october you can see we're hovering very close in the zone close to three-month low closing yields. if we consider that most of this really is about the yield curve at the moment and most of the talk has been about the steepness of the yield curve, well, that hasn't been true for a while. whether you look at fives to tens hovering close to a 4-plus month tight. tightest it's been in the separation of those yields or two to tens which was thought to be fait accompli and remained
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very much anchored on the short end we see a 2 1/2 month tight on twos to tens, this is something to pay attention to. we know that the street likes to be long the intermediate part of the curve and the five has been under the most pressure even though all rates have been rather sticky but drifting southbound. the dollar index is having a very robust year but if you really want to take a look what's going on with the dollar index you can look at the euro or the canadian on the euro side we are gaining strength and on the canadian side all developed currency are cooking in grease against canada. we're at the best levels since september of 2009 and we need to stay on top of this chart. the last chart we've heard about the huge injections about china. bob pisani talked about the seven handle on gdp and it wasn't long ago we were almost double that and tens of billions of liquidity, the shibor is down a bit but it seemed to continued
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jump towards elevated levels. >> rick santelli in chicago. when we come back, does amazon have esp? the online retail giant looking to anticipate what you want shipped? get some details on that when "squawk on the street" continues. ♪ you want to be a richer man change changes ♪ ♪ turn and face the strange
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natural gas futures are rallying strongly here about 11 cents near the highs of the session. at $4.44. of course, the deep freeze poir experiencing in the middle part of the country and the snowstorm now hitting the northeast is a big factor in the rise we're seeing here in heating fuels. natural gas leading the charge here and we're continuing to watch whether natural gas will rebound toward the $4.50 level that we saw as the recent high. back to you. >> that's capital oil and gas. don't buy any natural gas company. a lot of people say capital chesapeake and capital oil is
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the one to buy. amazon has filed for a patent shipping system that would anticipate what customers buy to reduce shipping time. the system would analyze all sorts of customer data and move products from a full imcenter to a shipping hub close to the customer in the anticipation of an eventual purchase. brings us to this morning squawk on the tweet, we're asking you to help us come up with a slogan by completing the following, amazon we deliver it faster than blank. we'll get your responses throughout the morning. david, can this work? >> probably. they have an enormous amount of data on so many different customers. they have so many algorithms working so well at that company whether it's picking, packing and shipping and any other number of things. listen years ago when i did my first walmart documentary people remarked on the fact that walmart stocked stores that were about to get hit with a hurricane with an overabundance of strawberry pop-tarts because they know during hurricanes
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forget about it. >> netflix earnings tomorrow. >> pacific crest is saying it could go down to 200 maybe things are slowing there. >> and well starts haynes. >> hain has been remarkable this has great organic growth it is the next great food company in this world. >> remind us what's coming up tonight. >> afce is changes its name to popeye's louisiana kitchen and cheryl will be on the show. you've got to listen to her. if you want to know how to change your culture, you are in a second-rate culture, listen to cheryl, she has taught many. >> see you tonight, jim. let's get to simon and see what's coming up next. >> we'll keep everybody plugged into dan loeb's interest in dow chemical. the latest developments ahead. also we're going to show you an atm that converts real money to bitcoin, and there's an avalanche of research notes out today on hilton the 40-day
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welcome back to "squawk on the street." the roadmap begins with the markets and the dow and the s&p a few points away from all-time highs. and dan loeb taking a significant position in dow chemical calling for a strategic review. david will have more on that in a bit. plus, have you ever wondered what a bitcoin atm looks like? we're talking to the ceo of a company that makes them. find out what it is and how it works a little later on. but first, on the market, u.s. stocks near record highs a new 13-year high for the nasdaq. want to bring in two guests on very different thoughts on where the market may be headed, let's bring in the founder of tiger 21 and jim mccoggin principal global investors ceo. jim, we are looking at new highs on the markets and close to record high territory.
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are the earnings justifying it? is there enough good news in terms of earnings and revenue growth? >> i don't think it needs to be really, really good news. i think all it needs to be is a continuation of 2.5% to 3% growth in the economy. the u.s. private sector is doing better than most people think. as you go around the country you hear entrepreneurs, businesses doing well because of low energy costs. you hear about the housing market improving. and you hear about innovation and productivity. a lot of the best stuff going on around the world in terms of innovation is in the u.s. i think the u.s. private sector is doing a lot better than most people think. it's doing well enough to continue the momentum on the market. about a 17 times p/e ratio the s&p 500 is not in bubble territory. it's not overextended. i would say stay up to weight on u.s. equities and buy on setb k setbacks. >> i'm glad you brought up valuations, michael, at some point you have to look at the
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valuations and wonder when we start looking expensive given what we're seeing in the economy and the global economy and with revenue growth. >> it's true. but at the same time with low interest rates, many of our members at tiger 21 are trying to figure out where to put their money and the momentum is good. i think jim had it just about right. having said that last year was such a great market, some of our members are nervous about where it's going from here. >> who are your members and what sort of sentiment do they have right now in the stock market? >> tiger 21 is the largest network of private investors, high net worth investors, about 220 members managing over $2 billion of their own assets. >> it's surprising how pessimistic they are worse than 2013 in terms of returns. >> i don't think they are pessimistic, it's that 2013 was so spectacular they are just used to a reversion to the mean in everything they do and they are wondering particularly with qe continuing how long this can go on.
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>> michael, they have access, of course, to more investments than a lot of people watching at home. >> right. >> they in theory have the expert analysis as well to get them there. what are the hot areas for you? i mean, there's a lot of money still in private equity. >> actually the big story for our members is private equity. since 2008 all of the growth in our equity exposure has been private equity. but i think the difference is these aren't passive investments. this is an opportunity to roll up our shirt-sleeves and actually get involved, so it's not simply a market return. it's where people can use their skills. >> yeah. >> jim, let me ask you, i really admire the optimism that you continually bring to the conversation and you manage a huge amount of money, we should note that. but one of the reasons why the market, jim, did so well last year is because ceos saw fit to buy back half a trillion dollars of their own stock. i imagine now with january being relatively flat, not really going anywhere, that the conversation behind closed doors may be changing slightly.
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they may be saying, actually, am i safe to buy my stock here when people look back at that activity 12 months down the line, will the market have moved sufficiently to say that that was a good way to spend our cash. can you give us any color on that, jim? >> i think you're right, simon. i think that buyback activity may slow down. but do remember that there's a bit more of the animal spirits around in terms of other corporate activity including acquisitions, so i think acquisitions and maybe even capital investment to improve during the year which will all be good for profits. so, i'm not as pessimistic to take that one data point. i think there are a number of other data points that may turn negative. commodities is a supply story. they may remain fairly weak. we got davos this week and europe. when i talk privately with european business people, they are pretty pessimistic about things in the euro zone with some reason, so you may get some of these things going on to create a setback.
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don't forget to buy u.s. equities if that happens. >> and very quickly, does that mean you like domestic equities? those companies with more exposure in the united states versus the multinationals? >> absolutely. i would buy us towards small and midcaps that tend to be more domestic. i would tend to be quite wary of any companies that are too much linked into commodities because of the oversupply. and i would be concerned about just coming into the results season. i'd be concerned about anything that's too much linked into the pc. that seems to be going into a tailspin quicker than most other people realize. tech could be okay but not the pc area. >> a lot of it has to do with windows 8 and windows 7 if you believe hp. guys, we'll leave it there. michael sonnenfeld. >> thank you. speaking of tech we've got diverging views on apple coming out. and josh lipton is here to explain. morning, gosh. >> hey, carl, yeah, before apple results next week analysts
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weighing in this morning about different views where the stock heads from here. apple stock has not kicked off the year with a bang, it's down 3% so far in 2014. that, of course, after a big move, since hitting its low in late june of 388 it's up 40%. the team at stock gen aren't big fans and they put it to a hold, only 20% of analysts covi s cov apple have a hold rating on the stock. their point is the global handset market was strong in q-4 with volumes up 10% year over year. usually you would expect apple to outperform the market when it releases new products but stock gen said its checks indicate that volumes may come in below expectations. also they were telling clients with the lower price 5c in the mix they said investors should expect the average selling price for q-1 to be 4% lower. a different view at susquehanna.
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their analysts are bulled up on apple. they call it the top idea for 2014. they say there's little question that the iphone 5s has been a success and they expect the iphone 6 to be a big catalyst and they are looking for a july launch which they say isn't reflected in the streets' estimates and they believe that the stock looks attractively valued. who is right? we could have a better sense when apple reports results on january 27th after the close. simon, back to you. >> okay, thank you very much, josh. the northeast is bracing for its second big winter storm of the new year and it's already caused federal offices in d.c. to close down. the weather channel's jim cantore is in d.c. with the very latest, so here we go again, jim. >> reporter: yeah, simon. this looks like it will be for real. if you go back and look at all the weather statistics which we love to do as meteorologists, you have to go all the way back to january 26th of 2011 before we had the last 2-inch snowfall right here where i'm standing, the moral of the story is we've
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had a few busts along the way, but this one will be a big hitter for the district and especially for the evening rush. that was the forecast all along. it's starting to happen now and you can see the visibilities starting to go down and light snow at this time, but you go just a few miles off to my northwest, four or five miles and it's already starting to accumulate on the ground and up toward frederick, maryland, a half inch to an inch of snow on the ground about 50 miles away. it's coming in and will only get heavier this afternoon and obviously a good choice to keep the kids at home and close the federal offices. the big hope now is, is we can have mass transit cooperate swimmingly. now you've got the big busses, the snow's coming down and one of those babe jackknifes and you have people sitting on the roads for hours until they can get that cleared up especially if we start snowing an inch or two an hour and that's the big concern this afternoon. this is a huge impact for air and ground travel all the way up into boston by this evening. we're going to have many, many areas that will be pretty much shut down in terms of any types
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of travel. people need to get home and hunker down and wait this one out because really by tomorrow at this time, most areas with the exception of possibly boston and the east coast of new england will be out of it. and then we'll just deal with the wind and the bitterly cold temperatures to follow. we're talking about windchills here even tomorrow morning that will be 10 to 15 below zero. simon, back to you. >> okay, thank you very much. >> reporter: bye, buddy. >> let's head to dominick chu in the meantime. and get a quick market flash. >> blackberry shares are up 8%, the company is getting a big government contract over the weekend it announced this. 80,000 blackberry devices will work on the defense department's management system at the end of the month. if you recall, the stock rose 6% on friday after a research report from citron suggested they had a minimum price target of 15 bucks, again, some more positive news coming out for blackberry, carl, back to you. >> thanks so much. the activist investor strikes again dan loeb revealing that third point's largest
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investment is? dow chemical. urging the company to spin off part of its business. faber will have some details on that when "squawk on the street" returns. in 1953. afghanistan, in 2009. orbiting the moon in 1971. [ male announcer ] once it's earned, usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection. and because usaa's commitment to serve current and former military members and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve.
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this morning. earnings coming in two cents better than the street expected. revenue strong in the fourth quarter and we knew it would be because december they were saying that passenger revenue would be way above estimates. there you see earnings and revenue coming in better than expected. what was driving it in the fourth quarter? december passenger revenue was surging. in fact, they saw a big increase in passenger revenue. overall the annual earnings were up by $1.1 billion. it's been a long time since we've seen that from an airline where they can increase annual earnings like that and as we mentioned the fourth quarter driven by stronger passenger revenue. they've been maintaining their capacity and actually increasing it slightly and starting to see profit margin growth. one reason the stock is up more than 3% today, they are forecasting strong operating margins in the first quarter up in the range of 6% to 8% and it also helps, guys, when you have jet fuel costs in a relatively tight range. jet fuel costs for all of 2013, david, down $91 million. not very often that the airlines
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can benefit from jet fuel not going up, but you put that along with an increased revenue and that's why you see delta shares now trading at an all-time high. guys, back to you. >> how about those margins? they've got them. thanks very much, phil lebeau. want to move on to dow chemical shares which can be up 7.5% in early trading still up 5.3% on news we first brought you that dan loeb's third point hedge fund has made dow chemical its largest single position a $1.3 billion stake in dow chemical which will make third point amongst the top ten shareholders in the company and a letter that was released by third point this morning, details its views about the company's future and its hopes that it will engage advisers to consider a strategic review under which it would potentially split off its petrochemical unit from specialty chemical business. essentially creating two separate companies. one being jettison, that being
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petrochemicals. dan loeb going on in the letter to talk about the strategy at the company which he believes has been faulty, where it has been to migrate downstream to supposedly earn higher margins to become more specialty, that is in petrochemicals, and to increase the number of customer-facing prod dugts but saying, hey, the shale revolution in north america, the incredible drop in natural gas prices which is a feedstock for much of that business has actually made upstream a better business to be in, you know, he doesn't like it, he would rather see it separated he believes. great strides can be made in profitability and cash flow for the company. word to separate out those businesses. it is a constructive letter. it is not an attack in any way. andrew liverwas aware of loeb's foray into his company stock. in fact, prior to joining us on "squawk box" this morning, i don't know if we have it, but if we do at this point we can show you andrew liveris joined us
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moments before we learned of mr. loeb's interest in his country. what he had to say on the subject of activism. >> we should all be thinking like the nelson peltz. i have no notion with people coming into your stock and saying here's better ways to get things done, but what you got to be doing as management is thinking about those ways which i believe we at dow have been doing. i want to hone in on a point if you look at something like my balance sheet which the best it's been in about a decade, we've got expensive items like the preferreds from warren buffett. >> the hope is if you see a significant rise in the stock price above $52, for example, that expensive preferred he was mentioning would be converted to common. warren buffett. we'll see what the company's response is, but this is something that's going to take some time to play out. loeb intentionally came with the position after the filing deadline for nominating directors, so there's not going to be any proxy fight in the
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near-term future at all here. in fact, it would appear to be a position in which he will wait sometime. but then in the belief that other top ten shareholders support his point of view certainly will be applying pressure to see if they can get the ends that they are looking for. third point for its part also up about 25% last year. of course, underperforming the s&p but outperforming many other hedge funds. >> i wonder if there's any sense that dow would actually go through with this and spin off the petrochemical business. do you have any intel on that? >> at this point not a lot to share with you. we'll see what the company has to say and whether it feels an obligation in part to put something out along those lines. >> liveris seemed open. >> and it's not as if they're not aware of that. the main concern may be related to the integrated nature of their portfolio overall particularly in that business but loeb has counterarguments about why he believes that integration is not vital to the company. >> thank you, david. coming up on the program
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a lot of trouble for retailers lately. target struggling after the data breach and getting a downgrade this morning at cowan, as people like best buy sees weakened holiday shopping and jcpenney closing doors, could it signal trouble ahead for retailers? and james fallon joins us on the news line. good to talk to you again. >> good morning. >> cowan's point is not only is the breach difficult but they'll be in the mode of cash preservation. the title of the report is buy, buy, buyback, do you think it's that dire? >> i think target faces some challenges, as do a lot of retailers in that segment. i mean, obviously, there will be customer reaction against going to target. they had to get over that at christmastime by offering 10% off the entire store. but the more the reports about the data breach go on, the more consumer uncertainty will grow. plus they had challenges even before the data breach. >> yeah. have you sensed promotions
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bleeding more into january or at a bigger level into january than you would have expected? >> i think promotions have bled into january more than expected. it will be key around presidents' day and obviously once the spring merchandise really starts hitting the store floors and the promotions continue. obviously the vendors have yet to report numbers and that's -- those are the ones who will be squeezed with the promotions definitely. >> it's been reported in berlin that the germans have uncovered up to 16 million compromised online accounts. the events at target just don't seem to be isolated. is the industry -- i mean, how would you gauge the mood in the industry at the moment and a general nervousness about preserving cash or having to deal with what seems almost to be like a sort of damoclese hanging over them. >> look at what happened with
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tjx a few years ago and the length of time it took them to deal with the issue, it was a several hundred million charge to their bottom line. and i think everyone obviously at retail is scurrying around trying to find out if they've been breached. there are up to six other retailers that have yet to be identified. if it, then, goes global, i mean, that's a major problem. i mean, and it's going to raise consumer uncertainty everywhere. >> james, there are those, our own jim cramer says he doesn't trust the group at large. but stern upgrades gap from a sell all the way to a buy. they say there were -- not many, but there were some holiday winners and that the comps will obviously be easier in 2014. is there any element of the group that you think actually is poised to accelerate rather than the opposite? >> i mean, obviously gap is doing well but they had their struggles in the u.s. macy's continues to motor ahead at the higher end and in ord
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and nordstrom's continues to do well. but across the board they aren't seeing the buoyancy that they were hoping to see like they did this time last year. we're always entering the first quarter and the end of the quarter where retailers feel good times are back and around the third and fourth quarters they get a slap in the face. >> what should they be doing exactly? is it cost cutting and reorganizing? is it focusing internationally or perhaps beefing up their online presence? >> in a sense it's almost all three. i think that cost cutting, america remains overstored. and obviously the problems at jcpenney at sears, at kmart indicate that. i think international expansion where possible is obviously a strategy but shouldn't be see as a be all and end all. and online is increasingly
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important, but obviously retailers as they learned at the holiday season online growth basically eats into brick and mortar growth. it's not as if the consumer is spending double basically. so, it's to find this balance between the brick and mortar and online world and that will take several years if not longer. >> jimmy fallon as one of our viewers points out. not that one. >> he makes a lot more money than i do. >> taking time to talk retail. >> and target shares hitting a new intraday low, 52-week low. with facebook expected to announce a news reader app in the coming weeks all eyes are on how social media stocks will leverage new readers as an advertising goal mine. julia boorstin joins us with more on the story and explain what a news reader is, julia, good morning. >> good morning to you, simon. here's why news readers will be valuable, they aggregate content from across sites and creates a
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virtual magazine of sorts they can keep readers engaged rather than have them leave for separate news sites and they can draw more ad dollars. facebook is expected to launch a news reader app called paper. a pew study last fall found nearly a third of all u.s. adults get news on facebook. it's been trying to drive real time events with facebook launching a trending feature to show what news people were talking about just last week. linkedin relaunched pulse this last fall after acquiring the company for $90 million in april and twitter a natural place to follow news has been working to make it easier to follow conversations about what's happening. rbc's mark mahaney said the companies want to offer users more tools while better targeting ads. >> some of these companies like a twitter and a facebook what people's news interests are tell them something about that person. those companies then, twitter and facebook, can then can go to
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advertisers with supposedly but probably accurately a better description of what that user is and, therefore, allow advertisers to better target that user. >> one private player in this space, flip board aggregates news articles into a personalized virtual magazine. in december it raised $50 million from goldman sachs, kliner perkins and others at an $800 million valuation. flip board could be an acquisition target for twitter or yahoo! or others and we'll see if they opt out to build their own alternative rather than buy a company like flip board. back over to you. >> all right. an interesting paradigm shift in the way we get news. julia boorstin, thanks very much. straight ahead, hilton having a bit of a rocky ride since its ipo back in december. it is higher. 11 different firms initiated coverage on the stock today as the lockup expires and we'll talk to two of them after the break. [ intercom ] drivers, to your marks.
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about an hour into trading some of the stories we're talking about 7:31 on the west coast and 10:31 on wall street, alcoa is up 6% and jpmorgan jup grading from overweight to neutral and citing a bigger aluminum market and starboard value is calling on darden restaurants to delay its planned spinoff of red lockster, they sent a letter to darden ceo and board urging the company to
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consider other way of boosting shareholder value including cost cuts and lock heed rising to a new 52-week high. no fewer than 11 fresh research notes are out this morning on hilton as the 48-day lockup period expires so banks and brokers involved in the hotel giant's ipo back on december 11th. two leading analysts join us now, joel simpkins and joel klatt from jpmorgan. both have $25 price targets and an outperform or overweight rating. everybody seems united there's a great management team at hilton, for people like you it's really about the type line. you come back time and time again to the growth that they're exhibiting. are you sure it's quality growth and not just a franchising of the brands? >> well, it's a combination of management and franchising hotels and it is global.
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hilton is following a strategy that merritt and starwood and others in the lodging sector are doing and taking advantage of the demand for global brands outside the u.s. so, we do think the pipeline is quality. what's important for the pipeline is that it generates and stimulates attractive fee growth and for the next couple years and as far as the eye can see, we should have nice recurring low double digit fee growth and that should be a segment that gets a relatively higher valuation multiple. >> the people publishing today, 5 of the 11 are neutral or more positive, 23 to 27 is the price range. deutsche bank is the most enthusiastic at $27 a share. how did you get to the valuation that you're at now? let me mention that last week morning star rated hilton a sell and put a price target of $16 on it because in their view the street is overestimating the long-term growth potential, the
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cyclicality of the business and the significant capital expenditures they say that it will require for the hilton-owned businesses. how would you respond to that more bearish view? >> we certainly disagree with that view, obviously we're outperform with a $25 target price and we see the values for starwood and hyatt and marriott and these are the comparables and we feel we're in the middle inings of the current lodging cycle and we think the outlook for the next couple years looks encouraging. as joe mentioned earlier there's a big runway for international growth opportunities with hilton with 40 million members in its database. independent hotels want to affiliate with its brand. >> if the elephant standing in the room is blackstone which has still 76% of the voting power you describe it, hilton, as a controlled company, therefore, and presumably they will want to exit their stake when the lockups start expiring in 180 days. that's a significant headwind
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potentially, joseph, isn't it? >> the answer to that is it depends on where the fundamentals are and where the sentiment is. at times selling stock could enhance liquidity with a trading liquidity of the stock, so it doesn't necessarily have to be this huge overhang or this huge risk. but just to go back on the lodging fundamentals and when growth accelerates and that's certainly our view for '14 over the last 25 years 90% of the time when the growth accelerates, the stocks tend to outperform the s&p 500 and if you look back to 2013, the growth comparisons are not very difficult. we had group business lag. we had government business that was very depressed. we had the fiscal crisis in the 3q and 4q and comparisons in europe and china and asia-pacific in general are relatively easy, so there are things to get excited about on a global basis. >> i'm just curious from a consumer point of view and the strategic perspective, how does the hotel group like a hilton
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get its customer loyalty program in check and get customers coming back in an era of priceline and orbitz where it becomes all about pricing? >> this is an area that the new management team has done a great job with over the last five-plus years. if you look back five years ago they had about 25 or less million members in their database and roughly 39 million. they used to have blackout dates that made it fairly prohibitive to use their reward points and now they've really kind of migrated that. they've done a good job in terms of e-commerce channels, but, again, they have a broad brand suite and consumers whether they are staying at a hilton garden inn, once in the system the switching costs are pretty high and no difference between marriott or stoorwood, there's pretty good customer loyalty once they get people locked in. >> it's good to sue both. joel simpkins and joel griefkin. according to search metrics it appears expedia lost 25% of
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its search visibility via google over possible unnatural links. let's bring in jon fortt. i don't under what it means either. >> it sounds scandalous. unnatural links. >> we should show the stock. expedia has been hit on this tweet out. tell us what's going on here. >> search traffic is huge for a site like expedia, people are looking for destinations and the cheapest flight from here there and often use search. it's a reputation business, the way google's algorithm is set up, if a bunch of sites link to you for a certain reason, oit means you are more credible and you show up higher in the search rankings and people are more likely to click on your links and what a light of sites do they pay bloggers to link to them. that's illegal under google's rules but they do it anyway. typically big brands like expedia that also pay for ads the scuttlebutt in the community is they don't get penalized for this sort of thing, it's smaller sites like rap genius, they get
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penalized, that happens. it's a big deal. >> we don't know here, we don't know google's done that. i reached out to expedia and still not got a response to them but we think and suspect that google is punishing them for doing something it doesn't like. >> the reason we suspect that is people have looked at other sites search traffic and it hasn't fallen off the same way so this isn't seasonal. there's no other, you know, easy explanation for why this kind of drop-off has happened. it's the kind of thing that happens when there has been this kind of penalty. and people have been talking about it in the search engine optimization community. >> it is a huge conflict of interest, though. if ryanair's ceo is correct when he let slip in that interview a couple weeks ago that google is increasingly going to become an online travel agency itself, how on earth will it square that with all these other pate participants? >> i think another issue that everybody including investors should be thinking about this is google's core business. smart home is not.
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if this is a problem that they need to fix, they don't need individuals searching around for penalizing expedia, they need a big technological solution for this. >> i think identify almost understand it now, thank you, jon. >> i almost did a good job there. >> you did a good job. i'm just very slow. let's get over to dominick chu and check in on exxon today. what a story, dom. >> what a story is right, people look at exxonmobil and the stock is taking a dip after bank of america downgraded it from a neutral rating to a buy and reduces its price target to 106 bucks a share to 110 a share and said its near-term performance could be tempered by headwinds outside of hs control and that downgrade hitting the xom shares. >> dominick chu, thanks very much. you've heard of the bitcoin atms but how exactly do they work? well, we've got the maker of one of the atms coming on with us and he'll tell us everything about the machines, what they do, and whether they're safe, after the break. mine was earned in korea in 1953.
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well, if you're looking to get a piece of the bitcoin action without mining it or going through exchanges, a bitcoin atm promises to make it super easy to turn your dollars into cryptocash like this one made by lamassu, is it work or is it even legal? zach is the ceo at lamussa, i know you put your cash in the machine and you can't get your cash out. >> well, it's actually an easy machine to use. cash to bitcoin in 15 seconds and you scan in your bitcoin address and put in cash and send and you have the bitcoins within
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a matter of seconds. it's very simple to use. >> bitcoin isn't exactly legal currency, isn't legal tender in this country. so, is it legal to have an atm? how does that work? >> bitcoin is definitely legal as it stands right now. and all the government agencies have been saying the same thing. in fact, some of the governing agencies hold quite a bit of bitcoin and they plan to sell it so it's obviously not illegal as far as they're concerned. as far as the regulatory environment and where to place these and what licenses you need, well, that's a good question. it seems to be a lot more difficult in the u.s. than it is in other places such as our neighbors in canada. >> we've seen a number of regulators try to take on this issue, but so far it's not regulated. so, is it really safe for the public to go out and use it and use atms and use their hard-earned cash to transfer it into bitcoin? >> well, it's definitely safe for the users. in fact, bitcoin as an e-commerce is a lot safer than the other payment methods that we have today.
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they're a lot safer than credit cards. fraud is almost impossible with bitcoin. and with credit cards it's happening all the time. target just had a big problem with it. they're always chargebacks and stolen credit cards and it makes it very difficult for merchants to use and end users. bitcoin is a much better technology for using on the internet. >> i'm looking at it there. i see on the internet a bitcoin is worth $898.90, i find it quite difficult to get that much into that machine, wouldn't i? real money? i mean, how many currencies does it do? it doesn't look very technical. >> well, the beautiful thing about bitcoin is you don't have to buy a whole one. you can buy any small point. you can put in $1 into a machine and get the equivalent of 1.1 milli-bitcoin. and you can start with $100 and use it at overstock.com to buy something you need and i think you'll see it's the easiest
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purchase experience you've ever had on the internet. >> why couldn't i umes the dollars in my hand to go and buy something and not risk the plunge in value? >> well, i mean, how would you use the hundred dollars you have in your wallet to buy something online? how would you transfer the $100 you have in your wallet overseas immediately without any middle men? so, bitcoin has certain advantages that cash doesn't. it definitely has advantages that credit cards don't have. as far as the price is concerned, it's true, the price is going up and down all the time. it's definitely -- it's definitely fluctuating but that's only one part of bitcoin. bitcoin is a currency and a payment method and it's a whole additional platform for e-commerce and many of the things we haven't actually even seen yet. >> it's interesting value propositions given all the security risks we're seeing with credit cards and the problems with the other retailers. you're planning to bring one to new york, is that right? >> yes, we have one on order and it's going to new york city, the
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question remains what is the regulatory environment in new york. now currently talking about a bit license they want to have in new york. hopefully that will make it easier than a money services business license that may be required that would be very difficult for small businesses to obtain. >> in the meantime, zach, it's a wonderful way of making money disappear. because you have this anonymous bitcoin on your folio or whatever it is. it's ideal for money laundering. isn't assisting money laundering in this country a crime? >> well, assisting money laundering is definitely a crime. but bitcoin actually isn't as anonymous as some people think. in fact, the dollar is still a much better tool for money laundering than bitcoin is. bitcoin is a public ledger. it's very easy to track. if you're a money launderer, you are probably better off sticking to the dollar than you are sticking to bitcoin. >> okay, thanks for the advice. >> thanks for the advice. >> we'll look for the atms, hard to believe, bitcoin atms, the
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let's get over to the cme group in chicago this morning and get the santelli exchange. rick? >> good morning, carl. you know, many are talking, of course, and still debating a little over a week ago's very weak u.s. employment report. all of us, including myself, most of this traders and sources i deal with on this floor and through the airwaves, believe that the economy and specifically the jobs market is not nearly as weak as the last report. you need to take more of an averaging approach considering the revisions that were positive and some of the loftier numbers that we've had. i understand that. there's also a notion if things are getting this much better around the globe why do we need
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so much central bank test tubes if we really have the growth? look at what's going on with regard to china and tens of billions that continue to add into their economy in the form of liquidity injections and, yes, maybe a 7% handle on gdp's enviable developed economy but looking at the history of china it is somewhat of a low t watermark. now, let's consider what's going on here with regard to the weak and sometimes spotty and sometimes drong strong data in the u.s. the taper seems to be on track. many believe in the january meeting we're going to see it ramp up a bit. let's look at things logically. i've said many times that all stimulus is spongeable. meaning if u.s. adds liquidity or bank of japan adds liquidity there's no boundary, to liquidity and the impact on the global economy. let's enter a name. let's enter peter hooper. okay? hess a chief economist and a
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manage b director at deutsche bank. deutsche bank is by far the iconic bank. always on the inflation fighting scene with germany as a whole. if you follow many of his interviews from reuters to most recent on bloomberg what you will find is he's making comments like maybe we have to move towards a more traditional qe or the ecb may move more towards a more traditional qe. why is this important? if you've been keeping up a lot of the muches that occurred pushing rates down, specific cry by banks in southern europe, look at the charts of spanish ten-year, portuguese ten-year. we've done that. a lot of test tubing can show positive things like show interest rates but does it generate the type of growth that's self sustaining. it seems like the fix is in. it's seems as though the southern european interest rates are getting to the point where, hey, they almost seem to be empowered by the notion that somebody is going to be on the
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balance sheet to help them with these purchases. is it going to be long qe? why is it important? the bigger the qes around the globe, the bigger is question how it's going to turn out. in the end can i tell you it's a fat tail, no? but it certainly is a balancing argument to all the cumbayah's coming out of the stabilization the last several years and future growth for 2014 for the eurozone. carl, back to you. >> that's why we turn to you for some of those balancing arguments. thanks a lot. tweet time. amazon wants to give you what you want before you want it. the company has filed for a patent shipping system that would anticipate what customers want to buy to reduce shipping time. we're asking you to help amazon to come up with a slogan for a speedier service. complete the following, amazon, we deliver it faster than blank. tweet us and we will read your answers next. opportunities aren't always obvious. sometimes they just drop in.
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amazon, we deliver faster than what? david writes, amazon delivers faster than the speed of thought. not bad. one writes, we deliver it faster than yesterday. and matt write, we deliver it faster than you can e-mail your cancelation. a lot of jokes about what is the service you anticipate they return to amazon after they ship it to you. >> it is fascinating. i thought someone was going to make a joke about the drones, faster than the drone delivery. >> you spend your entire time opening boxes and wrapping them up again and sending them back, it would be rid clousz. >> meantime, dow is having trouble getting out of the red. if you take goldman, ibm, j and j and travel eretravelers, you' negative points right there which is more than offsetting what visa managed to contribute. we failed to break even for the year which is 165.76 and side ways ways to down continues to be the
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story. >> look at nasdaq. it continues to go higher. today nasdaq stocks, the technology sector, seems to be doing pretty nicely. the story right now, earnings with the taper sort of baked in. the federal reserve's next move. it's earnings, specific stock stories. one that i was watching today is abm deciding to buy back the south korean brewery. i thought this was interesting in light of last week's deal buying beam, jim beam, global domination for the beer and spirits makers. david, i was just talking to you about the fact that pretty good deal even though it seems strange that they're paying three times what they actually sold oriental brewery for. because it turns out they have this clause in it they can buy it back within five years at 11 times ebitda earnings and the multiples have been higher for the south korean and asian breweries because it's such a hot spot for growth. i thought that was interesting. >> that was turn, i believe, when they were trying to pair their balance sheet a bit and now they tell people it will be
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two times ebitda in terms of leverage ratio. not quite as soon as they anticipated. >> big in south korea? >> more. 2% growth since 2009 through 2012 for the beer industry and south korea. and this is -- it's a dueopoly. biggest market share. >> the real growth is in irish whiskey. >> and bourbon. >> that's where it's at. >> in in country. >> are we going to talk milan in half an hour? >> i've got so many things to tell you about. i'm bursting at the seams. >> i can tell you. in the meantime, if you're just joining us, here's what you missed. >> welcome to "squawk on the street." here's what's happened so far. >> just got off the phone with nelson peltz and here's the headline. as part of his agreement to join the board, he will not be pushing for a merger between
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mondayelez and pepsi. >> we should all be thinking nike the nelson peltz. i have no problem with the notion of people coming into the stock and iing here's better ways to get things done. what you've got to do is be thinking about those ways which i believe we at dow have been doing. >> ceo of dow chemical has a new very large shareholder in the ranks at dow and active shareholder at bay. dan lobe's third point has taken $1.3 billion possession in dow chemical. it's constructive activism, if you will, for mr. lobe as opposed to the very nasty activism he sometimes will engage in. >> the numbers so far, carl, this is a day where between activism and earnings, it is a very different tone from wall street. >> yes. >> don't you ever talk -- don't you ever talk about me. don't you open your mouth about the best stock picker in the
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game. [ bell ringing ] >> a lot of the best stuff that's going on around the world in terms of innovation is in the u.s. so i think the u.s. private sector is doing a lot better than most people think. good tuesday morning. we're live here at post 9 of the new york stock exchange with a check on the markets. dow being dragged down by companies who had a pretty good quarter. j and j, travelers both have managed to fail to get out of the red today. that's bringing us down 42 points. s&p is up 3 and a 30. and the nasdaq up some 15 points. shares of verizon slipping despite fourth quarter earnings that beat analyst estimates. verizon will buy intel's web tv unit for an undisclosed price. shares of baker hughes moving to the upside after fourth quarter numbers did beat consensus. profit rs of the oil field services company were helped by a strong performance in the middle east and africa. >> if you live on the east coast get ready for snow.
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a massive winter storm is already shut down government offices in washington. could dump up to a foot of snow on new york, boston, and philadelphia. keep it here. we'll tell you what it could mean for business travel by air. plus, amazon is entering the mind reading business, so to speak. the shipping giant patenting technology that would let it predict what you want to buy before you actually buy it. we'll tell you how it all works in a moment. and the luxury sector is looking strong. the number of people who bought luxury goods topped 330 million last year and that number only expected to multiply. so what can companies do to grab a share of this growing market? we'll talk to the former ceo of chanel later this hour. the massive storm looks to be packing a major punch now air travel. 2,000 flights have been delayed or canceled. things most likely going to get worse for the airlines. for more, let's bring in jim, an airline analyst with s&p capital iq. we want to get to delta earnings
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in a moment but, first, the weather on our minds. now we're getting a second major storm disrupting travel. how disruptive is it for the airlines and their business? >> yeah, i think this is going to be a very disruptive storm and we're off to a very poor start to a winter season. there's going to be obviously tens of millions of dollars of additional costs added. lost revenue opportunities as passengers cancel their flights. this is another in a string of bad weather related events for the airlines. >> how adept are the airlines in managing storms like this? i would imagine they've gotten better. we saw after the polar vortex all the flight cancelations. things resumed pretty smoothly. >> i think it depends on the carrier and the size of the carrier. i think we did see some carriers like jetblue do a poor job react to the weather last time around and delta, united, american with bigger infrastructure, bigger capacity can adjust better than they do. >> since you're distinguishing the carriers, let's talk about earnings, especially for dale with a blowout quarter. did delta do well because of
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overall tail winds for the industry? things are looking better, airlines are in the black? is there something specifically that delta is doing right? >> certainly a part of it. airline fundamentals have never been stronger. the airlines have done a great job managing capacity. delta air is leading the way in transformed u.s. industry. they're well ahead of the pact in unit premiums. they integrated with northwest airlines and they are reaping the benefits. >> how much of a game changer was going vertical on energy and fuel? can we quantify to what degree that added to the quarter? >> yeah, the refinery they bought last year is not profitable for them still so it's a drag on the numbers. they did this by having overall lower fuel costs because the energy prices are lower and they did have hedging games during the quarter. mostly it came on the back of a strong revenue performance and good nonfield cost control. >> they talk about adding capacity to the year. 2% to 3%. can we still say overall the
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industry is being disciplined and obviously pretty flush times? >> yes, we consider 2% to 3% is self control, especially the way they're doing it is replacing smaller planes with larger ones and they're going get a unit revenue premium on those types of planes and give passengers a better experience at the same time. >> as the u.s. economy and global economy starts looking better, business travel outlook is certainly higher. i saw that in your note. what is delta doing specifically to corporate traveler better than of others? >> delta has given a good travel experience to the customer while others have dropped the ball, mainly united where they have had problems getting their customer where's they need to be sometimes. >> what is the american us airways merger mean for delta? does it help to have a bigger stronger competitor at all? >> in the long run it's going to be a fierce competitor to give them problems down the road maybe. right now what it means is continued capacity discipline for the industry. there's not going to be a lot of capacity coming out of american or u.s airways as they
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rationalize their fleet. it's going to help keep capacity under control and keep pricing power for the airlines. >> jim, there's always a sentiment question when it comes to airlines because there's a whole college of invest that says don't ever touch these names. it may look good but you're going to get burned eventually. has that been completely turned over or are there still people who are negative and is that giving us some kind of wall of worry to climb in the sector? >> well, obviously it's still high risk industry. it's sill cyclical industry that's going to see boons and busts. a company like delta has transformed through debt reduction, giving cash back to shareholders by buying back stock and dividends. when they had $8 billion one-time reversal of a tax carry forward. that's turned it positive for the first time in years. it's a much healthier company and much healthier industry that i think is going to continue to attract investors. >> are we going to see higher ticket fares this year as a result of airlines looking healthier? >> i think ticket fares are
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going up. if you look at inflation adjusted basis it's still a good bargain when you travel around the country and throughout the world. >> thanks for filling us in on the airline industry. brace for another winter storm. better earnings though from delta. jim, thanks. meantime, amazon getting a new patent for what it calls annis atory system. it predicts your future purchases based on things such as previous buys and site searches. jon fortt has more on this. i guess we know when home depot prepares for a hurricane they're going bring in more shovels. is it something like that? >> i think it's something like that. amazon has been in the mind reading business for a long time. when you go to their home page they've got recommendations and send you e-mails that have clearly been kind of snooping in on their click activity. i think this is more about using what they know to cut their own costs. remember for a lot of primary members they guaranteed they're going to get that item to you within two days. this might allow them to move
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the item closer to you before you order it so they don't have to use planes which are more expensive. they can use trucks which are less expensive. lts, if they're going to deliver stuff to you by drone they've got to have it close for the drone to deliver it first. >> and less reliant on ups or some other vendor that you obviously can't always count on. >> well, in the patent filing they still talk about common carriers like ups doing a majority of the freight. it's mostly based on keeping the package on the ground where it's cheaper as opposed to having to fly it and incur those costs. >> we know a lot of ups logjam was regarding their error of planes in kentucky. >> absolutely. >> i find it interest that amazon has been investing and focussed on this idea of faster shipping with prime, with the drones. and they've been buying up warehouses and robots. how advanced are they versus other online retailers? >> they've invested a lot in their network for logistics.
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that's where a lot of amazon's money goes as opposed to delivering profits back to shareholders. customers are never going to tell me can you deliver that to me a little bit more slowly and make me pay more for it. this is the primary thing he's focused on. this is another way down the line for him to be able to do that and either invest the money he would have paid for airline tickets in your package or maybe eventually giving some profits back to shareholders. >> do you think the cost to prime goes up this year? >> it's already ticking higher if you want to get super saver shipping. i'm not sure about prime going higher because that's an important part of their digital strategy. if they want to drive growth in digital they want hike the price. >> get them in the house first and sell stuff to them later on. razor blade thing actually works sometimes. it's amazing. >> their video content also on prime has been growing tremendously. >> though i wonder if an downton
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abbey plot line. >> don't spoil it. >> the last season, that was terrible ending. >> kicking off season four. >> a couple of surprises the past couple weeks. interesting story, jon, thanks. >> all of it. >> brings us to this morning's squawk on the tweet. help amazon come up with a slow again for this new service by completing the following. amazon, we deliver it faster than what? tweet us at squawk street and we will get your answers later on this afternoon. i like the creative answers. speaking of amazon, as its competitors try to get inventory closer and closer to your home. that's increasing demand for warehouse space and expensive populated markets. we'll tell you more about thanchts but first, rick santelli, taking a closer look at europe this morning. >> absabsolutely. >> watercooler talk. we're going get andrew to weigh in. financial times points out, bungled mortgage products in europe. default rates, two-year high.
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more on materials. >> sarah, strong day for stocks leadably bialcoa and dow chemical. increased price target to $15 a share. the company is seeing them hit double digit percentage increases for earnings estimates a as for dow chemical, it's moving higher on word dan loeb's third point has taken a seat in the company. both companies, alcoa and what's happening with dow, helping to drive those materials stocks. carl, back over to you. >> thank you, dom. look at the dow. interesting, a lot of these laggards had already been in place earlier in the morning. goldman, ibm, j and j, travelers, general electric. even though some of the earnings out of them weren't too bad and being helped by other stocks like a visa which was adding to the index. but for the time being we have taken a sharp leg down. we were down about 40 points. now down 122 points.
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interestingly, alcoa which dom was just mentioning, had it not left the dow, would be the best performing component this year by a factor of two or three. classic timing the way they managed some of these indices. it's not in the dow and we're all suffering for it as a result. >> just looking at the action in europe. looks like we're still seeing gains, world stock, we're strong overnight with the latest infusion of liquidity into china. so europe going smoothly. european stock up to six-year highs. bright spot in world markets with the s&p turning lower. >> bear in mind, ibm does report tonight so people might be getting skittish of what we will be hearing tr them. in the meantime, more and more shopping continues to move online to places like amazon. the demand for warehouses and distribution facilities is bigger than over. diana olick live in washington with more on that this morning. hi. >> hi. you're right, amazon anticipates what you want they're going to need a place to put it. more demand for warehouses.
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we called this the least sexy sector in real estate but it's the hotest thanks to retail's big move online. warehouse is the strongest prospect for both investment and development in 2014. that according to the latest pwc investor survey. two thirds of survey respondents thought they were a buy. back in november we spoke to ceo of chambers street properties which went pub blig last year with a focus on warehouse. he noted that distributors are looking to shorten the time frame it takes to get goods to market. that has presented a need for new modern, more efficient warehouses. >> we're seeing smaller buildings being emptied and moving into these newer, more modern facilities. so we're seeing a lot of major corporations, whirlpool, unilever, amazon, loads of companies like that taking advantage of these new developments and new trends.
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>> all right. so how to play the warehouse game. reits. alexander says you want to look at the smaller names, east group, egp, he's got a buy on that. and other groups include prologis and dct industrial and first industrial. the housing recovery, homebuilders and home improvers start to move in more products this sector is only expanding and we're going to talk more about development in warehouse sectors as welcoming up on "power lunch." >> i love that, diana. who says warehouses are not sexy? diana olick in washington. let's stay with retail and focus on luxury spending. it's growing very fast. what's the disconnect and how long can the trend continue? we'll ask someone who knows a thing or two about luxury, former ceo of chanel, arie.
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the snow is starting to stick in the nation's capital, here in new york as well. >> check out what's happening with shares of the security firm that went public last september. the stock is down 7% p and trading after jpmorgan downgrades shares to knew trillion from overweight. the stock had been on fire since the beginning of the year when it announced it was buying security firm for a billion dollars. that hot streak coming to a bit of a close here in today's trade. >> interesting debate over that name today. in the meantime, watching the markets, marginally down 40 or some odd points on the dow. not quite session lows but awfully close as a lot of things
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appeared to be going the market's way. estimating coming in on track. the taper with the fed next week would be unchanged. there has been some selling. we're getting close to a european close. sometimes a dicey time for the u.s. markets. in eight minutes, we'll see what happens both in the next hour and this afternoon. >> recovering a bit from that. >> yeah. meantime, winter antique show is kicking off this week celebrating the diamond jubilee. for that and how the affluent are spending their money arie kopelman is the chairman of the winter antique show. he joins us this morning having braved the fdr. >> happy to be here. >> what's the feeling about how luxury is holding up this year versus this time last year? it was pretty good. >> no, luxury continues to hold up. but let's face it, it also tracks with the financial macro economic data. when wall street is healthy you see a lot of things healthy like
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luxury goods. and so there you are. it's fairly simple. >> nice things are being said about bonuses at major banks. >> yeah. >> real estate and the cities held up pretty well. >> yep. >> could we be poised to set new records in luxury this year? >> i don't know about records but it will continue -- it has been b a long upward track. and that will continue. i don't think there's any question. when it does flatten out you will see market shares change a little bit. but certain companies will remain very, very healthy. >> carl and i spend a lot of time talking about the struggles of retail right now. jcpenney and even macy's, which has been their best in class restructuring, cutting jobs. i find this bifurcation interesting. lower end struggling. higher end and luxury just totally doing fine. is there a lesson there for the other rea retailors to take? >> a lot of people care about quality and style. and as long as that continues, it certainly will with healthy emerging markets in addition to
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the western markets. i think you're going to see that continue for a very long time. we're not concerned about that, frankly at chanel, and the bigger concern is, what happens to the out markets because i'm involved with the winter antique show. so despite the chanel and other luxury goods issues, we are very hopeful that this will be a banner year for the antique show. you've been reading about all the records being set. more more about the decorative outs. we're very excited about this show and with wall street being where it is, we have our fingers crossed that we're kicking off the 60th year on just the right foot. >> there's always talk about china and whether the consumer, the high-end consumer survives there or continues to prosper. sochi is coming up and we're starting to do more stories about russia and trying expatriate their money into hard goods like real estate or antiques. where is the real strength, would you say? >> right now it's been mostly in
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the contemporary fine arts market. i think if you're going to speculate, if you look at this as an alternative aspect situation, you have to be careful. consult your actuary tables because the cycles are going to be locker. you don't know whether it's going to be 10 or 20 or 5 years before a particular market will turn around. fine french furniture is on its butt right now and -- >> who knew? >> people bye that in anticipation of a turn around, i hope you live a long time. >> what are you saying, you have to old some antiques 1020, years to make money? >> you know, there's no way to know because certain pockets that take off on the short term and others that will recover over a very long period of time. so i don't think your warehousing antiques in order to make money. i think you primarily buy things to enjoy them with the hope that over the long haul they will appreciate substantially. >> what's wrong with 1th century french furniture? >> well, tastes do change. >> it's a trend. >> what happens is kids today,
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primarily, young people, even with a lot of money, they're very interested in modernism. mid century and so forth. so you're talking modernism and contemporary things. and you can mix that up with occasion alal antiques but in t main they're not buying what used to be called fff, fine french furniture, because it looks a little old to them. >> yeah. >> and something that their parents or certainly their grandparents may have mad. that's not really true with what we're trying to do with the antique show because, frankly, there are wonderful trends toward ek electicism in design where people are mixing and matching all kinds of different things so you can have a wonderful 18th century american high boy with a piece of contemporary glass. and we have a wonderful dealer, new dealer in the show called glass past who specializes in glass from 1870 to 170 and that
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european markets are closing now. >> all right. stronger euro -- let's bring in simon hobbs as we count you down to the close in the uk and across continental europe. simon? looks like the microphone troubles. >> we will try again later. apologize for the audio difficulty. in the meantime, dow is still down 115 points. let's bring in art cashin, director of floor operations at ubs here at post 9 to talk about that. art, good morning. >> good morning. >> can you explain what happened in the last half hour? >> if you live by the component you die by the component. handful of dow stocks that mostly multinationals that got hit a little bit after 11:00.
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ibm, johnson & johnson. the viewers have to remember that the dow is weighted far differently than all the others. everybody else is weighted by capitalization. the dow is primarily weighted by price. so if, for example, johnson & johnson is down 2 1/2 points, that's 20 points on the dow. so you get five stocks down 20 points we're down 100. you can make some comparisons. theories around that there was some sharp futures trade after 11:00. that didn't seem to impact things because the s&p is down far less than the dow is right now. >> right. there had been some talk about 1840 being an interesting technical level. had we already not been passed that point? >> yeah and no. i think, now, again, not to belabor the point, if you look at friday when the dow was up, you had two stocks that contributed 75 points to a dow that was up only 31. with the changes they made in the dow, it is somewhat over
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leveraged right now. and -- >> because of those prices? >> yeah. if you put very high price stocks in -- the weight shifts. >> yeah. and it's very easy for a stock that sells at $120 to drop three points. a stock is trading at $30, that's not going to happen. >> curious, art, what is the word on the street in people talking about earnings, specific stock stories, it sounds like today? >> we're going to continue to watch the earnings and the big debate, are they meeting their go goals and where they are. there is residual concern about some of the backdrops, margins is a percentage of the dow. various other things that have been warning signs. nothing that rings an alarm bell quite yet. >> that's why we do to you first, art. >> and you look good. >> art cashin here at post 9
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rchlt. let's get to bob pisani. >> we do seem to have hit an air pocket. it was around 1840. put up the s&p 500. we had two groups down at 10:00 eastern time. the big one was a little after 11:00 just prior to the european close. that's when the dow -- excuse me, the s&p hit 1840 and that was the point. i watched the volume levels at the spider which is the s&p 500 etf. we had a noticeable pick-up in volume and selling activity the second it hit 1840 today. you can argue it's a technical level or not but that is where the market started to move. as for the rest of the market i'm a little disappointed by some of the reaction to the earnings numbers. let's look at johnson & johnson, for example. they had a quarterly beat. i'm told by guys who trade this a lot, the 2014 outlook was disappointing but it held up all right preopen and then right at the open they sold it off. verizon beat by a penny. never particularly convinced when a company like verizon beats by just a penny and
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obviously the street wasn't either. you can see it sold off right at the open. travelers is a little harder to figure out. they had a great number, as far as i can see, the underwriting performance was terrific. catastrophe losses were lower than expected. and yet they continue to sell this off right at the open. verizon did not have a great month, by the way. down 4%. i just want to note all the steel stocks weak here today and iron ore stocks as goldman was predicting lower steel prices throughout 2014 on concerns about china. those stocks are all getting hit and all the big steel names are down as well. guys, back to you. >> cliffs is down 6%. we've got simon hobbs back with us on the european close. >> there are two things that i want to draw to your attention. one is the gloomy nature of the earnings in urp today. unilever has done okay on the merging markets. again there as you can see. if i just show you the others, some you may not know, for
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example, a french power engineering jirngts . dsm makes vitamins and it's on the earning side. the flip side of that remains those peripheral bond markets which continue to rally like portugal which may return fully to the debt market. the yield on the ten-year fell therefore below 5% for the first time in 3 1/2 years today. couple more things that might interest you. the president of france said maybe about to ditch his relationship of seven years after it was discovered, of course, or it was alleged that he had an affair with an actress. he's still mum in public on that subject but a lot of speculation. in the meantime, as everybody tries to get a piece of american ceos in switzerland, it appears today in "washington post." europe one which is a news talk station in france. try an interview with a french
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radio station, mr. obama, that does not compromise with the news. not sure what they're saying there. >> clearly i'm not sure what the other underlying tone of that is. maybe lost in translation. >> that got some attention this morning. for more on europe let's get to rick santelli in chicago this morning. >> down here we're not worried about the affairs of franceois hollande or the mentality that he's running away from makes for interesting fodder on trading floors. andrew brenner, thank you for taking the time. quickly, i'm sure you're paying close attention to what's happening in france. it seems as though they just can't find the mechanism that's going to bring the economy moving to ward so they can kind of slice and dice. any thoughts on the economy of france? >> no, not really. i think the french economy has been looking bad for a long time. i'm just amazed at the french bonds are trading well through
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uk gilts. no justity indication for it. >> let's look at europe under the context of the southern economies that simon talks so fondly does every day. he's quekt. it's up strong for the year but yet if you look at the nikkei or you look at the hang sang or our s&p, not so much. in the end, how can the paper of these southern banks be as hot as some of the stocks that people are trading in the u.s. and around the globe just several months ago but yet when you dig down deep, whether it's nonperforming loans, to slice and dice securities that are at a two-year high default rate, how can we reconcile all of this, andy? >> there's no way you can reconcile ten-year spanish debt right now at 372. they're going to be announcing within the next day or two a ten-year deal. if you'ring looking at where it's trading against the u.s., look at even if it's trading against apple. apple ten years, 3 5/8, aa plus.
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spain is a bbb minus. 26% unemployment. we had a frent friend that just webtd through spain and he wrote about it, he talked to me about all the different projects that are not being finished. all the foreclosures that are not happening. these banks are sick. there's no question about it. they're going to have massive write-offs. there's no justification for spain where it's trading right now. >> but yet the fixed seems to be in. whether you buy stocks -- i don't have any flesh in the game, so to me, to look at why or cause-effect relationships why stocks are up and i look at central banks and the southern economies and their securities, i look at their fundamentals, it doesn't add up. where is the fat tailed to this? where are investors sure to be found on the wrong side of the scrimmage line? is there going to be a heads up, early warnings, a flag, something? >> rick, i think as they look across the world and see more and more tapering and they realire
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realize the fed is going to get rid of qe, i think the people are going to look at where yields are, they're going to say what are you doing? lending spain money at two-year money at 98 basis points or ten-year money at 372 or everything else behind it. i think spain will back up along with other countries, along with interest rates in general. but spain and italy, the risk doesn't justify the reward. >> thanks for taking the time. just remember, when a spanish ten against a u.s. ten is approaching 80 basis points, boy, if you want to buy spain, what does that say about the u.s. ten-year? back to you, carl and simon. >> nice point made, rick santelli in chicago. when we return, before a major company launches a new app how can they make sure it's safe and it'sth it works properly? that's where squawk breakthrough comes in. testing new apps forring google and microsoft. i need proof of insurance. that's my geico digital insurance id card -
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traders are weighing in. delta stocks taking stock after the report but budget airlines more grounded? we have a high flying debate straight ahead on the "halftime show" at the top of the hour. today's stock breakthrough is known for app casting. the parent company of this network, comcast, as the big clients. last week it raised $43 million in funding led by goldman sachs. as hinted, may be plan for a ipo. joining us here at post 9, good to see you. first, tell us a little bit how it works. why would a google need to use you? what are you doing that it can't do itself. >> one of the things that we're doing which is really unique is we're testing in the wild. meaning we're testing on real devices, real configuration in the hands of real users. community of 100,000 professional testers and they're
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the ones who are actually doing the testing. it produces different rul resul all together. >> you've got a front row seat. what are going to be the big trends for apps this year? >> so definitely mobile payments. you know, from our perspective, security around mobile payments is critical. you know, i think engaging with big brands, so today we see big brands really seeing apps but the web experience and the in-store experience which you know a lot of retailer rsz actually doing. >> how far in advance will you get this app and how long do you test, when do you hand it back? >> we actually start testing at a really early stage. we don't just do the functional testing but usability testing. we do load testing in order to make sure it performs under load. >> must be some crazy nondisclosure agreements, i would guess. >> absolutely. >> what's the liability risk if
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you miss something or you're wrong? >> softwarest testing is not 100% eye enscience. we have a lot of testers. we can cover more ground more quickly. we get results faster. but, you know, things can happen. rarely does it happen when we get used. >> security concerns has been present. we have seen what happens with target and online. that's not necessarily in apps but how are you beefing up your security testing? >> we have security experts that actually specialize in app security testing. today we have a lot of information, personal information, credit card information, we do transaction with the phones and this is where we come into play. >> i mentioned the goldman sachs, the fact you raised a lot of money. what's the next step for you on this path towards ipo? >> five years old. we focus on software services but we're expanding beyond that. it's about an his ticks and use sentiment analytics.
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it's about tools pryor to launch and post launch. we announced company name change to a close a few months from now and ensuring the experience for brands that are launching software and apps to the market. >> i find it interesting that you're based in new england. not exactly the hotbed for technology companies. >> we have a few ufss in the u.s. we have a office which is in the valley. we have a seattle office. so really, you know, major location in the u.s. and where apps gets developed. >> good to see you. good to hear about the company. >> m.i.t. is not too far away. >> no. >> smart college grads. ceo and cofounder of utest. when we come back, earning season out in full force. reporting both tonight. tomorrow, the rest of the week, next week, when it comes to earnings you know exactly who you have to call. >> earnings squad,s s is i ase!
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squad. everybody is talking about helping you trade the stories you may have missed. dominic chu and stephanie link. let's start off with big earnings movers. travelers trading lower although posting better than expected quarterly profits. u.s. insurer reporting higher premiums while disaster losses declined. verizon trading lower after a profitable fourth quarter. phone carrier benefiting from verizon wireless and fios kusz her hers. got to start off our squad, the inaugural squad of the season, dom, you've been following this story. it's amazing chart here because 52-week high and immediately backed off. >> it was up 7%, 8% in the premarket. up 4% to 5 hrs to start the day. it's been drifting lower with the rest of the market ever since. earnings beat, sales beat. they even boosted their forecast, selling more drugs for alzheimer's and hypertension and blood pressure. this stock had a tremendous run
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over the course of the past year. >> restructuring is really an early inning so you're getting a good opportunity from buying. >> the first full quarter under new ceo as well. that's a big one as well. >> a lot of the same things are playing out in johnson & johnson. we're watch that one as well today. beating wall streetest mights but trending lower after releasing a modest 2014 outlook. analysts are now going after the street and saying is that they did this a year ago. they set up very mod desz forecasts early on and end up beating it. already we have rbc coming out saying, you know what, buy the dip on this one because it's a great opportunity. the pharma trends are behind them at this point. the consumer business has, in fact, been stabilizing. interesting out of the earnings call though. they mention the medical devices tax. they mention that a few times. that's to listen for as we get earnings from the other medical device makers later on this week. they mention the yen, the devaluation of the yen will hit
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them harder. that could be a theme throughout the season. this is only the first week but we're likely to hear that throughout. >> you said it, the pharmaceutical business is the reason why you own this company and they just put up almost 12% growth year over year on a constant currency basis. that is impressive for a company this size. i think the disappointment is the operating margins, gross margins. a little underwomening. if this stock is 90s, gets to 99, that's an opportunity. >> this has been almost an amazing chart for the day and behind this chart is heavy volume already has traded the average daily volume so far in the session. so it's making this move on some very strong moves here. want to check out halliburton, too. that reported better than expected fourth quarter earnings. stephanie, you're watching this one. >> the number, it was a penny beat and they did a good job in north america and latin america and porckets in international. margins were disappointing and guidance. they tempered guidance for north american business. i think the theme in oil
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services this year is going to be international because bake irhughes said it could be growing 10% for the year. i don't think that's priced into the shares. those are the names i would be looking at. schlumberger has the highest exposure to international. >> the one out of halliburton is they had weakness in europe as well as africa. it doesn't look like they're doing that well. >> they have pockets. it was pockets of okay. they're doing okay. certainly schlumberger and baker hughes did better internationally but the guidance from all three is 10% growth for the year internationally. >> regulatory in the u.s. is concerned as well. keep an eye on that. >> that does it for earnings squad. join the conversation. we'll be back with the earnings preview for tomorrow. coming up next on "squawk on the street," amazon wants to give you what you want before you know you even want it. the company filing for a patent shipping system that would anticipate what customers buy to
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just seconds ago in trenton, new jersey, new jersey governor chris christie inaugurated for the second time in his prepared remarks talked about bipartisanship and the need for diversity. the only hiccup for today is he's had to cancel a party for tonight that was scheduled to take place on ellis island mostly because of the weather. it is going to be nasty in new york, new jersey, and the entire eastern seaboard for the next 24 hour or so. there's a look at the governor taking the office. again, in trenton. let's get the squawk on the tweet today. amazon has filed for a patent shipping system that would anticipate what customers bye to reduce shipping time. we've been asking you to help amazon come up with a slow again for the service. amazon, we deliver it faster than what? silver writes, amazon, we deliver it faster than you can change your mind. we deliver it faster than you can afford it. and we deliver it faster than -- is that the doorbell?
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not bad. amazon is having a good day today. up more than 1%. >> going aifr the overall market which is down right now. you're seeing it a lot on the dow. i thought it was interesting to see art cashin talk about the new index leadings and how that can make a difference. johnson & johnson getting hit hard and dragging down the index. >> cashin saying with all the changes made to the dow last year it's somewhat over leveraged is how he put it because some of the stocks are so expensive it doesn't take much to swing them in either direction. you're looking at a few of them, namely ibm. they've missed more than they've beat ten in the last, say, six or eight quarters. and more concerns about their looking to sell some of their low-end business. so we'll see what it does tonight. it has set the tone for old cap tech or big cap tech. >> the other one is johnson & johnson because the headline appears to be pretty good with profit, they are jumping 37%.
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stronger sales for band-aids to the pharmaceuticals. interesting to see the pressure. >> guidance is a little conservative going into 2014. always good having you here. >> always good to be here. >> in the meantime, scott wapner headquarters and the "half time." >> what a difference sentiment makes. thank you. we're following the biggest stories on the treat today. inside the golden dome, under armour scores a big deal with notre dame. calls of the day. big one on apple, the gap, target, ge and others. our traders s debate it. dan loeb making big news today. should you follow his lead? joe terranova is a big bull on the airlines and so is josh brown but he's making a more budget conscious case. stephanie link is looking into j and j's earnings. steven weiss, rob from ubs, the managing director, 8 billion --
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