for the td ameritrade annual conference. we will have the ceo, and he's going to be on the show. >> good insight. >> we'll talk to him about what the retail investor is thinking. >> go see the duck walk at the peabody. thanks for watching, everybody. >> "the closing bell" is next. and stocks trading in a wild range today after the fed deciding to continue easing up on the gas pedal. welcome to "the closing bell." i'm kelly evans at the new york stock exchange where it's gone from bad to worse and, simon, we're sitting near the lows of the day. >> i'm simon hobbs in for the illustrious bill griffeth. the market continues to react to the fed's move by reducing its bond buying program by $10 billion. yesterday's rally is largely wiped off the board. >> let's take a look at where we

are across the major indexes. the dow the worst performer today, off 200 points. that's roughly session lows here. a lot of that though we should mention is boeing. that company reporting earnings that were better than expected but guidance for 2014 that was weak, it's contributing about 50, probably closer to 60 or 70 points now of the slide we're seeing on the index. here is a look at the other indexes. we have the nasdaq which is off about 48 points at this hour. some of the big tech names weighing on it, while biotech doing a little better. finally the s&p 500, this is one to watch. it's off about 19 points, 1773. 1770 and 1765 have been some of the key levels of support, simon, people are watching closely. >> it's quite clear we're losing ground as we head towards the end of the session. let's talk about the market action and that decision from the federal reserve. joining us now, gina sanchez, nathan bachrach from financial

network. keith fitzgerald is here from money map press, and ron weiner from rdm financial and steve liesman and rick sansantelli. gina, let me kick off with you. kiven that t given that the fed has done exactly what we thought it would do, what do you think of the market reaction? >> i don't think the market is reacting to the fed. this was obviously kicked off ahead of the fed's decision. they did exactly what everybody was expecting. anything different actually should have sparked a reaction. so really this is about nervousness i think going into the earnings season. we knew q4 was going to be a challenge and i think that really we have to wait until the q4 earnings season dust settles. >> nathan, what's your take? >> my take is there's three great lies, kelly. the check is in the mail, i'll call you, and tapering was priced into this market. there was no way tapering was

priced in. we don't know how to analyze the statistic. inventories when people were freezing and they can't go out, truck sales are roaring and yet nobody wants to put a dishwasher on the back of their truck when it's minus 20 below. i think we're going to go through the great repricing and the great reassessment and that's happening right now. >> where does that repricing take us to? >> it's going to take us to where real revenue is, where real earnings are once we get rid of the fed taper, and i think the big surprise today was that bernanke said he's going to keep unemployment at 6.5%. good luck. i think as soon as yellen gets in there, she says night night to that, we're going to 6% and everybody will relax. >> but if that's the case, steve, why are markets so jittery here? is it that we're placing too much emphasis on the fed? because it seems like whether it's today's decision or the general stance of monetary policy this year, it's going to be a problem for some of the emerging markets. >> you know, i always thought one of the more curious things

was the market rally on the day the fed tapered on december 18th. i would think the market declining makes more sense in light of the tapering, and the question i'm asking myself now is, is there a tolerance at the federal reserve for some decline in stocks at which point it becomes a troubling macroeconomic event or something that changes the forecast? i don't think we're there yet. i think the fed got half of what it wanted, which is stable interest rates. last i checked, the ten-year was trading around 2.70%. i think they will be relatively pleased with that. i think that gives a green light to their policy. i think when they see the market declining, it's back where it was when it tapered on december 18th. >> at the same time -- >> that's wealth effect. that's a wealth effect you have going on there, steve. what happens when yellen gets in and she wants to create jobs and she doesn't care about the wealth effect? >> i think there's still a wealth effect out there. i don't think we've seen tremendous wealth effect in the economic numbers so far, so the

idea that the wealth effect from the stock market has been something that's been pumping up the economy, at least it hasn't shown up very well in the data so far. >> let me bring in some of our other participants who haven't had a word in yet. keith, by implication the fact that they have continued to taper solidly as we expected them to do, as ben bernanke laid out, really means they're saying to emerging markets you guys are on your own here. >> well, yes and no. i think the fed is making it up as it goes along. the idea the market has priced it in is a complete fallacy. i think what we're seeing in the emerging markets is an overblown reaction to things we've seen before. we've seen the asian currency crisis, we've been there, done that, got the t-shirt -- >> what are you talking about? what relevance do prior crises have with what's happening today? >> because the four most dangerous words in the english language, it will be different this time. no, it won't. >> but those are crises.

you're saying we're going to have another crisis. >> we're going to go down to 1755. there's more sellers than buyers. we have to take 30, $40 billion off the table then we'll find out what real value is. if the economy really is strong, that's where you step in and you buy these good companies. for new this is not unexpected in terms of the reaction of the traders. they want their money off. this is a risk off day. that's all it is. >> well, it may be more than that, ron. let me bring you into the conversation. people watching at home will be mindful of the fact the market is negative for the year. is the market changing direction here after a great run? >> you know, it's been three years since we've had a 10% correction. i don't know what all the crying is about. this is normal. >> 408 days. >> 108 days. thank you. if, in fact, there's got to be a correction somewhere, why not here. >> what i'm asking you, is there something more than that happening? are we changing fundamentally direction and we're flat to negative for the year?

because then the people have to make a different set of decisions surely. >> i don't think so. i think what's happening is that consumers around the globe are still growing, maybe not as fast. no, the world is not great but it's still growing. that's more apple. that's more people buying apple things, deodorant, toothpaste. >> more energy. >> i think the ceos in america are doing a great job of managing this slightly growing world economy. so i think our job is to take what we're given. if the fed is data dependent, they see something good, okay, let's give them the benefit of the doubt and let's pick things that -- stocks that make sense in this market. i don't think we've got to be fearful. >> it is a little ironic, rick, that today is the day treasury launches its first new product since 1997, a floating rate note. we have had quite a rally. rates have dropped so far year to yet. yet that auction went off well. i guess people are buying anything that has the word treasury on it? >> especially when it's the first auction.

a lot of these dealer types with large clients, they need to know what the product is about, they need to own it. it's like when they brought the seven-year back. let's look at what's going on today. if you look at a chart of the dow and the ten-year note yields, enough said. the treasuries are a natural hedge against what's going on in equities. the fact we haven't been down here since mid-november. we moved the compact since the last time we were under 2.68% from the end of november when we were 2.70%. dollar index going nowhere. when something is expected, it doesn't mean there isn't a reaction. i fully expect, as brian has been saying all day, that my bill for natural gas is going to be really big, but it doesn't mean when i actually open it up, i'm not going to blow a gasket. and as far as the microphone and the fed, the 6.5% threshold that was discussed, if you read further into the statement, pretty much it sounds to me like they're throwing that guidance out the window, and i think it's normal they should. and how powerful is a mic?

the super bowl is sunday. yes, there's great smart announcers, but the real game is on the field. >> you know, you make a good point there. let me pick that up then with gina about when they're going to move on zero interest rates. hilsenrath writing for "the journ journal" says he's seen five indications in the statement about when they might move away from zero. as we move through the tapering process that seems to be set in stone, increasingly the market will have to rely on this promise of lower rates. gina, do you think that the promise, that the guidance is solid enough to support the market, that these words alone will be loose enough to enable the economy to move forward in your view? >> i think it's more than just the promise of guidance. i still actually think that underlying all of this data, while the economy is recovering, it's still not recovering very

robustly. and so we still have to take into account the fact that while we have seen earnings, we haven't really seen great sales. and so at the end of the day, that comes down to the fact that wages aren't growing. if household incomes aren't growing, we continue to rebalance from household profits to corporate profits which is what has been happening for the last few years. that is going to create a very tepid recovery. so i think that rates have to stay low in that kind of an environment. so well beyond 2015 in my view. >> at the same time that the fed is trying to stick with its plan and there have been such encouraging signs for the u.s. economy, you can't ignore the risk from the recent tightening of financial markets we've seen and also from the fact that asia and now a lot of parts of the emerging world are going to be exporting deflation. >> i think those are important risk, kelly, and i think the fed is probably aware of them. one of the guests earlier said the fed is making it up as they go along. i think there's a lot of truth to that. one of the things they're

certainly making up is the notion of, well, why -- under what conditions will the fed continue it's $10 billion taper and the little bit of message we got today surrounding that parameter is whatever just happened. the weak durable goods report, the weak employment report, the decline in the stock market, and the volatility in emerging markets is not enough to keep the fed from tapering. so whatever you do, you put that into your program and you come up with whatever we all the reaction function here. that was not enough. we don't know what the real parameters are. just one of those things you will know it when you see it, kelly. >> ron, for people out there with their shopping list for equities, for companies in this market who may be hit because of the macroenvironment and saying maybe this is time for me to identify a couple names, what might those names be? >> if we think the world is growing at least a little, first off, i was going to talk about google but i got to talk about apple. i think down here you should just buy it and hold it. nine times earnings, when you

take out the cash. but google, they're growing. the world is still growing. we're not going to go into -- >> let me challenge you briefly on that. the stock market has run up on the basis that the world will grow. america will grow, and earnings will grow to justify where we are at the moment because the multiple is quite high. actually, the marginal news at the moment is there's less support from the fed, interest rates are rising in emerging markets, and they may slow down, europe may not be growing as fast as we want. the question is have we already had the gains -- >> simon, can i just add to that list, simon, that list should also include the idea that interest rates in key developed markets are pretty much unchanged. so i think the idea that there's marginal -- >> because the equities are far from unchanged. >> no, that's true, that's true but -- >> but who are you going to trust? >> interest rates in developing markets, it's just a very small piece of it, the impact of interest rates -- >> we're almost at 3%. >> what were you going to si? >> we're almost at 3% on the

treasury. now it's down to 2.70%. where is it going to go? 2.50%? if you're a bond owner, you what tonight take profits. >> 2%, if we knock off another 1,000 points in the dow -- >> is that a -- >> 2%. listen, i'll make that call. if you tell me if the stock market goes down another 15% or 20%, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. >> -- i think you buy a little, you keep a little on the side, but the world is not coming to an end. this is not a crisis. this is a correction. >> the oldest rule in the book is you sell high and you buy low. that's what you need to do. you need to look at it as an opportunity because we know -- >> then it's going ton an opportunity every day as it goes lower. >> the deep south ow is down 20. thank you so much. 1.3% off the dow right now. the s&p off 20 points. the nasdaq off 50.

stocks may be plunging, but natural gas prices are spiking in the meantime. let's get over to sharon epperson with a recap of what's happening there. >> we're looking at a four-year high in natural gas, kelly. a 10% jump today. we saw natural gas prices get to $5.72. that's $5.72, and that's going to have a significant impact on many consumers. we are looking at prices that have been jumping here as we are seeing the expiration of this front month contract today. some traders saying there may be some short covering. we're also going to get a report from the energy department tomorrow that could show the large withdrawal on record of natural gas supplies. we're anticipating we will see a decline somewhere around 228 to 232 billion cubic feet when that report is released tomorrow. add to that wsi, the weather forecasters there, saying we are going to see this peri isistent cold all the way into march.

all of that is having an impact here on the natural gas futures market and as we said, we're looking at prices that have gone up some 30% just in the month of january. >> okay. sharon, thank you very much. this market will shut down in 45 minutes time, and as you can see, we continue to fall. now down 212 points on the dow. just before the fed decision, we were down 125. clearly the market has been selling off in the wake of that, and you can ask whether that's the reason why or just a general concern about where we are specifically with emerging markets. up next, two top money managers tell us how you should be investing in the wake of this move by the fed. and no one is saying yahoo about yahoo!'s earnings. is the honeymoon now over for ceo marissa mayer? coming up, we'll hear from somebody who says mayer's time at yahoo! may be running out if

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welcome back. if you're just joining us, the market is deeply in the red. it's been in the red all day today but since the fed minutes we've gone further into negative territory. we're now down 191 points on the dow. what's interesting is on the s&p 500 there are only four stocks that are positive at the moment. that's the breadth of the decline so far, kelly. >> that statement hit about 90 minutes ago. joining us with more of our special coverage of the market's reaction to what's happening,

david lutz and jeffrey saut. it's great to see you both. dave, your thoughts on the market here? >> kelly, thanks. we have gone from over bought conditions to getting close to oversold conditions. right now the number of stocks in the s&p that are above the 50-day moving average, it's really near lows, and a lot of this has revolved around tapering. earnings are coming in significantly better than expected. we've had about 169 reports. 120 beats so far, kelly. but it's the emerging markets that are really stressing things out. i'll tell you, one big catalyst is going to be the china pmi number tonight. that's what really set things off last week when their flash number hit and started hitting a lot of commodity linked currencies. >> dave, it was the hsbc number this week. this one is the official one. do you think people will read as much into it knowing it is china's official one and perhaps maybe less reflective of what's actually going on? >> i think it just depends what that number ends up being.

the slowdown in china is stressing things out. tapering at the fed, they can handle that on their own but not with the chinese news, and, of course, a lot of the political issues they have going on, kelly. we have had seven emerging markets central banks step in to try to shore up their currencies over the last couple weeks. that's getting relatively unprecedented. they're trying to defend themselves but the market keeps calling them on it. >> we'll come to jeffrey in a just moment. i just, dave, have to pick you up on one statement you started with. we've gone from overbought to oversold. we're only 4% down from the high. overbought to oversold on 4%? >> yeah, it's just been such a rapid move, simon. right now -- last week we had -- just look at the sentiment. last week 80% of the traders on the street on the daily sentiment index were bullish. today 35%. that number is drastically come down exponentially. also you're looking only 3% of the s&p technically is above a

standard deviation above its normal trend. that's what traders look at for overbought and oversold, simon. how much is it out of whack from normal? 97% is tracking darn close to under. that's pretty oversold to me. >> jeffrey, your thoughts here? >> i think you said something really important that got glossed over, that interest rates are actually down year-to-date and they were down from a little over 3% to 2.7% before all this carnage started. so to blame what's been going on because of an increase in interest rates and tapering at the fed i think is a misnomer. what david said i think is really important, the pmi over in china showed that china's growth is slowing, and then you had news that they're probably going to let one of their wealth management products go bankrupt. that's being called china's lehman moment, and then you've got the huge unwind of people that were borrowing in yen over in japan and levering up into argentine bonds and all of a sudden rates went up, bond prices went down and they're having to unwind that trade.

>> jeffrey, isn't the reason why treasuries continue to rally despite what the fed has done precisely because the fed has said we're not going to step up to the plate, we're not going to slow the printing of money to help the emerging markets? isn't that why you continue to get the treasury rally? the fed is saying to the rest of the world, you are on your own. >> yeah, that's a fair point, but my point was rates had already come down prior to when this worldwide dive started taking place. so i don't think the cause was a rise in interest rates. it doesn't square with the actual data. it is fair to say that we are the world's reserve currency, and, therefore, we're probably the world's central bank as well. that's a fair point, simon. >> yes. and that's exactly it. that's why today's decision is so important. guys, thank you so much for your perspective this afternoon. >> thanks for having me. yesterday's rally is being erased today. the dow is down something like six out of the last seven

sessions. kayla tausche, what's driving the sell-off? >> kelly, what's not driving the sell-off? we'll begin with boeing. it's leading the dow lower. you mentioned it earlier in the show. the jet giant posting better than expected fourth quarter results after the stock led the market in 2013, but the company said 2014 guidance will be below street forecasts. that spooked investors. that stack down better than 5%. outlook causing issues for mccormick. the spicemaker beating estimates by a penny but marketing costs will eat into its outlook for the new fiscal year. on the flip side, dow chemical, it beat analyst estimates. giving back more to shoareholde. it's boosting dividend by 15%. medivation to the upside after they reported positive data from a clin trial of its prostate cancer pill. we end with yahoo!. it continues its slide after disappoin

disappoints -- disappointing investors. that stock is down nearly 9%. back to you guys. >> okay. let's pick up -- thank you, kayla. let's pick up on that. yahoo! stock is really taking it on the chin today. that has some wondering if the turnaround plan is working but is that fair? the stock has more than doubled since mayer took over the company a year and a half ago. some say give her a break, she's got a plan and it will pay off. collin gilles from bgc financial says the bloom is off the rose and mayer really isn't doing anything different from her predecessor. collin, you're a mild-mannered man. those are fairly harsh words. >> listen, it's a difficult job. you have to put it in perspective but let's look at some of the big decisions that have been made while she's been

ceo. it's the coo, brought in a hand picked coo, paid them reports north of $100 million and he saw revenue display advertising decline his entire time while he was there. this man made about $1.5 million per week while he was there at yahoo!. so that's a degree of destruction of capital. second, the tumblr acquisition. for a company that had $12 million in revenues. a pretty penny to pay and it's adding in traffic but it hasn't moved the needle on revenue. we completed our first full year with marissa at the helm and we saw net revenue decline every quarter. >> i guess the elephant sanding in the room is the stake they have in alibaba. that's the point really. >> todd, where do you stand? >> i think first off she took over a ship that was sinking already and revenues are still down but we have to give tumblr

a chance. facebook is finally trying to monetize instagram. i think they're doing a great job. you have katie couric, david pogue i also think we have to look at their smaller acquisitions. that's where real growth will come from. in 2005 google bought android, inc., and shall awhere are they? >> the best thing they've done is the alba -- alibaba -- >> it's about $20 of the share. >> that was driven primarily by dan loeb when he was on the board and when ralph levinson was ceo. i don't think it's correct to give the current management team credit for that agreement. >> just finally -- i know we have to go -- is this.

would someone else have done something much better, more significant, more ad revenue generating for this company? >> no. in fact, i think doing the smaller acquisitions is the way to go. any sale with alibaba will give them more money to work with. these things take time. >> we're out of time. we have to leave it there. thank you very much. it's an important conversation for a lot of people. collin and todd, have a good evening. >> those shares having their worst day in two years. keep the tweets coming. your thoughts will be revealed later on "the closing bell." >> the dow is down 180 points. we're off the lows but still it has been a very deep day of red. >> that's right. global market turmoil continuing to impact stocks in the u.s. what the fed just did will have consequences. up next, what you need to know to protect your portfolio. and all eyes will be on facebook and qualcomm when they report earnings after the bell. >> nus under half an hour's time. those results clearly could move the market after market so you

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welcome back. turmoil in the emerging markets is taking center stage, but not enough to give the fed pause on expanding the tapering of its

bond buying program. at least beyond what it just announced today. >> with us now is ken rogoff from harvard university and also importantly joining us from turkey, arguably the eye of the storm so far this week, is our very own michelle caruso-cabrera. michelle, important moves, of course, overnight from turkey's central bank. what has been the fallout locally from what you can tell us now? >> well, there's disappointment here that the currency didn't react more positively. when the announcement came almost 24 hours ago, it was a huge, massive hike in interest rates, a lot more than most people expected. we saw the currency improve dramatically, and by the way, u.s. stock futures also improve pretty sharply on that news when the central bank did a lot more than what people were looking for. but the pull back in the currency has disappointed some here. i spoke with one economist who said, wow, if they hadn't gone this big, what if they had gone

small? it could have been even worse today. it highlighted the tough situation that turkey is in right now. >> ken, how much control does turkey's central bank really have over this situation and the same for other emerging markets? you cannot fight the fed, can you? >> i don't think this is just the fed. this is representing deeper political instability in turkey and do we have central bank independence. this was a big move but is it credible? i don't think it's just the fed going on. i would highlight china, i would highlight some political backsliding that's been hidden by the boom, and probably also the current account surplus that europe is running. there's a lot of different things that are weighing on exchange rates and equity markets. it's a big recalibration of these markets. that doesn't yet mean it's an all out debt crisis collapse. >> is the fed -- however you describe it, is the fed right to ignore it and to continue steel

like in its determination to reduce the printing of money by $10 billion a month? >> i think if the fed had done something different today, it would leave the markets even more confused. i think in the fed's own mind it's actually not planning to tighten policy. it just wants to change it, but the markets are kind of confused. in emerging markets there are a lot of things going on, and i think the fed would be wrong to deviate from its path just now. obviously if it gets a lot worse, that would be different. >> ken, given how much you've looked at the examples through hit -- history, what is your biggest concern? is it certain parts of the world? is it how markets unfold in the next sessions? >> there are a couple countries which are just accidents waiting to happen, argentina lying about their inflation rate, venezuela with its heavy-handed controls and turkey, of course, i hope

nothing happens but a lot of political instability, but the big one is china, of course. there's a scare about china. if it turns out that china stabilizes, i think everyone else will. if china runs into bigger problems, then it's going to get worse. >> michelle, we obviously have a long delay on your satellite to turkey. how would you respond to that? is that also your assessment? >> yeah, absolutely. i would agree with ken. when the u.s. federal reserve is making interest rate policy, it makes it for the united states, and it's not their job to fix the fact that all these countries ran current account deficits. they should have worked on those problems when they had the freedom and when they had low interest rates. they can't solve everybody's problems all over the world. they've got to focus on the united states. >> we have our list of places to watch, china, venezuela, turkey, argentina. r ken and michelle, our thanks to you. we have about 20 minutes into the close. the dow is off about 181 points.

slightly off the lows of the session but still a weak performance today that extends this month we should say. the s&p 500 is having one of its worst months in some time. >> the question is, is the direction of the markets changing? that's the central question. yahoo!, amazon, apple leading the parade of players to the downside at the nasdaq today. up next, our sheila d. will look if things could get worse from here once facebook reports or whether mark zuckerberg and co can turn this around. >> later president obama calling it my ra. it's a brand new retirement investment plan. we'll tell you how it works and if it will work for taxpayers and for you after this.

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welcome back. well, it's been disappointing tech earnings weighing on the nasdaq today. >> sheila previews the big names on tap in a few minutes. >> the nasdaq is at a six-week low, near session lows and a big part of that story are the earning haves and have nots. on the losing side, yahoo!, of course, hitting that two-year

low. marissa mayer's turnaround plan not turning into sales. take a look at apple, down for a second day. at one point we were below $500 a share. all eyes on apple and whether that down trend will continue. freescale semi-conductor popped higher helping to lift other semi-conductor stocks. biogen swinging between losses and gains. it did have a little bit of a cautious guidance which worried analysts. coming you have after the bell, a big day for some nasdaq movers and shakers. qualcomm is the big one. it is lower ahead of earnings after the bell. the big reason is apple is one of its big companies. one of its being customers. so everyone waiting to see how the apple results may play out into qualcomm's results. and, of course, you have to talk about facebook. zuckerberg is taking center stage with his earnings report after the bell. all the talk about facebook these days has been whether the

site is losing cool, whether teens are still coming there, is user engagement still high. those are key metrics investors will be focusing on. the hot word when coming to tech stocks, mobile, mobile, mobile. can facebook still post the mobile sales which it has been doing but is that uptrend still working in its favor? back to you. >> you know, sheila, do you think that qualcomm could be the bigger deal even than a facebook when those hit after the close? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, look, qualcomm has a big impact on the index and not only is it a big supplier for apple but a lot of other component companies. in terms of its breadth, qualcomm could be a big deal. >> interesting. thank you. we've got 50 minutes to trade still in the red. just down 166 on the dow. >> 1776, that patriotic level everyone has been watching on the s&p 500. we're 20 minutes away from those facebook earnings we just

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a nice little bounce on the averages here. we've come back about 40 points from the lows of the session within the last few minutes. joining us for more on the big day for the markets is bob from mqs management and j.j. burns from j.j. burns and company. j.j., where does the markets go from here? >> it's going to go a little sideways. investors are pretty much wondering where is the future going to go? the earnings have been delivered for 2013. they've performed, we're here. now businesses are asking and they're table pounding saying where am i going to get my future returns from. it's not what are you doing for me now? it's what are you going to do in the future. what's going to fortify my portfolio. >> what's working for you now? >> gold, gold miners, precious metals. what was unloved in 2013, gold going down, miners have hit a

bottom. and those stocks which you can play by individual, you can go look at gdx which is an etf, you can look at those and they're up 9% to 13% so far this year. the number one performing asset class. >> you think that will continue. >> i think it will continue and i think investors are getting smart. they will demand -- >> i get it. bob? >> i think the fed is probably at some point going to provide a floor to the market. >> in what way? >> i think one of the most important things in the fed statement which really didn't change from last time is they're going to keep interest rates low. >> can they take the strain, those promises to keep rates low for long, can it take the strain of the entire market? because in the bank of england's case where they have done the same sort of thing, he has egg all over his face. >> i think for better or worse, you have true believers in place even with bernanke gone. yellen is going to continue down that path, continue with the taper or not. >> but the point i'm making is

there's a big difference between printing $75 billion and forcing it into the economy and taking somebody's word that rates will stay low for long. >> i think they enough of a background you can see these guys don't have a hawkish hair on them and that they're going to keep rates below where they should be, where i think they should be for -- >> to that point, we're making an assumption that everything is going to go really smoothly, that this taper is going to go nice and easy as you go. who says that? that's not the way it goes. geopolitical issues, macro global issues. businesses looking at obamacare. >> what are you saying to me? i'm not sure what it means to market participants? >> average participant will look at where are the quality of earnings going to come from because businesses are not giving you any guidance whatsoever. they're saying we're not really sure. so how can an investor really look at staring down 2014 saying, yes, i'm going to really do it, i'm going to the stock

market with all fours? but there are pockets where things are going to go and that is capital spending and technology and i.t. because the businesses that are spending out there are looking at it saying i'm not going to increase my human capital. i'm going to increase technology. look at mcdonald's. 1100 restaurants in the uk are testing technology on getting human capital out thereof and putting kiosks in there. >> actually this is my hometown, i immigrated. but don't worry about it. >> the solution is going to be more easy money -- >> will that support the market? >> until we get to the point that people have real concerns about the value of the dollar, about real systemic risk, i don't think we're anywheres near that. >> it's a big day. good to see you both. thank you for joining us, bob and j.j. up next, we're coming right back with the closing countdown. don't forget that tonight facebook and qualcomm's earnings, those could be out within ten minutes. real important for social media, and our star team is standing by

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year-to-date on that 30-member index. let's focus in on today in particular. today felt brutal. we were down from the beginning, half the losses on the dow initially from the very cautious guidance we got from boeing. then we had to go through that statement from the fomc. they are going to continue to pull back on the amount of money they print each month by $10 billion a month. so it's $65 billion here on in, and as you can see, there was a short bounce. we were down about 200 points. we've attempted to come back, but still we are mired in the red and very close to key support on the s&p 500 as well. let's bring in matt chesslock. this felt bad today. this was rough. >> it certainly did. the moves were very quick, especially around the fed decision. we can see the volatility in the chart there. but all in all, we were down 5%. this is what people were looking for, the retracement to reinvest

their money. now we have the 5% move. let's see if people put their money where their mouth is. >> the bigger question is whether or not this is a -- it's not even a correction because a correction is 10%. whether this is a buying opportunity or an indication that the direction of the markets is changing. after what was a phenomenal run up for a very long time. >> we need to find a new leadership group. we can't just count on netflix and apple and tesla to take us through. biotechs have been strong and gold miners. those were laggards last year. you're not going to hang your hat on that certainly but we're seeing rallies being sold, not bought right now. until that direction changes, we're going to see some pressure. >> these are not big enough sectors -- >> no. >> it's not on that scale. >> the transports had an enormous rally last year and you see them sell off and that's been a major factor on the rally side as well. when the transports were strong, the market was extra strong.

>> one thing that's worked for people is social media. the fact that mark zuckerberg learned to monetize what facebook is doing has been a game-changer and an awful lot of people have made an awful lot of money. what will facebook say tonight and will it move the needle? >> it will certainly move the needle. people are watching that and qualcomm. facebook, enormous returns last year. can you continue that? can you continue to monetize? what is the next step? we talked about them, what's the forecast for the next five years. are they going to lose an audience? that's stuff that's going to have to be addressed. right now you could see a bit of retracement even with good earnings. >> really? >> it's a healthy thing. >> isn't the classic bull argument that facebook and google are innovating so fast that, for example, marissa mayer at yahoo! is left in the dust? >> they certainly are, but can you quantify it, qualify it, explain it to the average investor, somebody who has made 50%, 100% in your stock?

are they satisfied with that investment? >> if i gave you $1,000 for your children, where would you invest it? >> right now today i'd probably invest in gold right now based on the emerging markets and that's -- >> you'd invest in gold. >> i think they're so beaten down from last year. everyone is now finding a source of strength and while it's not a big part of the market, as you said, it's somewhere where we've seen some strength. >> i find that really interesting. to many people gold was a broken trade. i see we've bounced. i see the miners have bounced in particular. but it's from a terribly low base, isn't it? >> yeah, you know, and i'm a bit of a contrarian. i will take that approach on that trade. i will stay out of the high flyers right now and get into something where i think i can make 5%, 10% on a stable basis. >> and it's not the stock market in your view? >> no. >> wow. mark chesslock thank you for your time. have a good evening. "the closing bell" continues now with kelly evans.

and welcome to "the closing bell" on this wednesday after the fed has just delivered its policy statement saying it's going to taper by another $10 billion. that hitting just about two hours ago contributing to the red air os we're seeing here on wall street. let's take a look at how we're finishing off the day. the dow off 183 points. it was down 200 at some points but it's still going to close down more than 1%. the same for the nasdaq, off 46 points today. the s&p 500 off 18 to 1774. lets get straight to it with today's "the closing bell" panel. our d.c. correspondent eamon javers joined by seema mody, herb greenberg and from los angeles, the always intrepid

jane wells. also joining us for more on today's market action, bob pisani with us on post 9. the arrows were clearly pointed down today. is this all about the fed? >> no. i think there's a continuing concern about what's going on in emerging markets, but it was a very strange day, kelly. i'm a little concerned about the fact that the russell 2000 again was down more than the big cap s&p 500. wait a minute. if the u.s. is the best place to invest right now, why are call cap stocks down a lot more? i saw material stocks that are up that are subject to what's going on in emerging markets. so i think the market has a lot of contradictions it has to work out right now. >> we got a couple of tech bellwethers reporting earnings. as we await to get into those results, seema, big tech was weighing on the nasdaq all day. >> and even yesterday as well with apple obviously significantly underperforming the markets after reporting results. today it's yahoo!. the big concern is on the

display ad revenue. going forward in terms of where we saw the losses today, all ten s&p sectors trading in negative territory. what i'm hearing is that the rise of interest rates coupled with volatility in emerging markets, those are raising a lot of red flags on wall street. when it comes to emerging markets, will the volatility in emerging market currencies be a prelude to economic slowdown. i don't think we have the answer to this question just yet but that's rattling investors on wall street. >> by the way, how emerging markets go is going to matter to a name like qualcomm which is on the screen right now. it's jumping around searching for direction a little bit after hours. the numbers have hit. the earnings "x" items 126, that's about an 8 cent beat relative to the consensus estimate. the revenue line, $6.62 billion, just ever so slightly shy of the $6.67 billion figure, a 10% increase year on year. let's get to josh lipton with more. josh? >> yeah, kelly. qualcomm the chipmaker just reporting. a lot of interest in this

release because of the relatively soft numbers we saw from apple and samsung. those are qualcomm's two biggest customers. so the street was looking for $1.18 on $6.7 billion. the numbers qualcomm reports, $1.26 on $6.62 billion. so a beat on the bottom. a little light on the top. as for msm shipments, we were looking for 204 million. qualcomm reports 213 million. so a pop of 17% year-over-year. for guidance q2, qualcomm's guiding the street for $1.50 to $1.25. those are both light. >> thanks very much. >> that's the point. it's the forecast that's important because that's what you're looking at. these smartphone makers are trying to work off their inventories. >> for a name like qualcomm which was already bringing its growth down from 31% annually to something in the low -- i'm

sorry, the high single digit range, if we're talking 5% to 11%, that was before the quarter. >> you're going to be out to june. people are going to be looking way out to see as the guidance really starts to work out because you have that backlog. that's what it boils down to. >> but isn't it in line with what apple was saying with the iphones on the lie sight side? >> that's what will be fascinating. how much of this is related to apple. how much is related to what's happening in china right now with this company which is relying on high margin growth in places like china and india but dealing with chinese regulators potentially fining them in the neighborhood of $1 billion. >> look at the stock. the stock is up on this. isn't that interesting? they're ignoring the guidance here, which is light. makes no sense. >> it looks like we're moving to the upside about 2%. it was yahoo! yesterday that was jumping around, casting for direction a little bit.

we're going to need some more detail on that one obviously. the context is going to be important here. now, again, this is a read through more broadly on what's happening in one of the most growth areas of the market. want to bring in "fast money's" steve grasso into the conversation. steve, commenting on qualcomm tech or the market more broadly, until about five minutes ago it was all about the fed. >> a couple things going on. you saw the s&p tested that level we breached the other day. it was 1772 in the cash. everyone has been trying to guess, second guess taper. i mentioned it the last time is on the show. december 18th was the first time we saw taper, and we were right back to those levels intraday with 1767 on the cash. other than that, people have been playing for this one off event, kelly, and the market should move sideways to higher here. we got exactly what we were expecting. >> and what does the action say to you? >> it says to me everyone is

still locking in their gains from last year. no one wants to look a gift horse in the mouth. as far as qualcomm, we were dressed down on apple and samsung. people sold that first, asked questions later. that got pulled into the ramp up of selling going into taper. i'm personally long qualcomm. there's so much more wearable stuff coming down the pike 2014. this is a stock that will benefit from that. >> and to your point, steve, qualcomm was down in the range of 1% today. it's now made up that ground. it's up about 2% after hours after beating on earnings, slight miss on the revenue side, slightly lower on guidance but it appears investors give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to future growth. you look at a number of reactions to qualcomms that make you want to make any other trades tomorrow? >> no. i actually want to -- judging on the negativity that's feeding through from apple and samsung, i'm actually thinking about buying more. qualcomm had that run from $63 all the way up to basically mid

70s, and $70 has been support in that name. it touched a couple moving averages recently, but i would be a buyer in qualcomm. i just think that going forward, especially for all these health care wearable devices that we're going to see, subcutaneous devices to check your sugar levels, qualcomm is involved in all of that. >> it's a good point and we're starting to see the intersection of tech and health care it seems. when you talk, bob, about the sectors this year, it's been more of a defensive play so far. >> it has until recently. it's a little concerning we're seeing, for example, consumer stocks are now among the weakest sectors in the s&p 500, and i think that has to be paid attention to because if you believe that the u.s. economy is a safe place to stay and that consumers are defensive names even on a global weakness, that would be a normal place to stay and yet we're seeing today particularly a lot of big sell-offs like avon, standard consumer names.

materials stocks that should be more exposed to the global markets are up today. owens illinois had a pretty good earnings report, dow chemical, dupont the other day had pretty good reports. we're seeing some sector rotation in areas you wouldn't think are very obvious. so far today is the one-third mark for earnings, about one-third of the s&p -- >> and it's brch a pretty good season. earnings growth is 7%. >> that's the best number we've had since the end of 2012. >> much of that growth is coming from the health care, biotech, amgen beating street expectations and that sector is getting bid up on that. >> jane? i'm wondering what was happening with the home building sector today. the one interesting thing as bernanke pulled a cantore and then left the room today is he said the housing recovery is slowing, and while they're not going to taper the taper and i don't really care about what happens in turkey and argentina and whether or not they should taper over that, when he said the housing recovery is slowing, that for someone on the left coast, that's really a big deal

to hear something like that because interest rates are not going down. that's not going to help that. >> no, but here is what's interesting. even though that's the case, the market is also pushing in the other direction here for some of the builders because rates this year have gone from opening at like 3% on the ten-year to 2.7% and you saw then the mortgage figures last week. mortgage rates have been sinking. they're still off the lows, but this gives perhaps a little more breathing room, eamon, as you know -- >> but if people can't buy the houses, then we don't have a recovery. >> sure. and that's a different story, but it does -- if you wanted to play the builders as a function of rate and a good enough economy, you could see that happening. >> first off, d.r. horton had a very good earnings report if you look at that. but i think there's a feelings amongst the trading community that the housing recovery story is a little bit of last year's story and while it's true they got robbed a little bit in the middle of the year because mr. bernanke talking about the taper, that's a little bit of an old story and people are looking

for a new story right now. >> facebook shares are on the move. that's what you're looking at right now, popping about 6% to 7%, now pulling back a little bit but still higher after again closing down about 2% today as we look for the numbers from the earnings report. it looks like 31 cents is the figure x items relative to the 27 cent estimate. julia? >> that's right, kelly. facebook results coming in better than expected with earnings of 31 cents per share. that's beating expectations of 27 cents. it's up from 17 cents per share in the year ago period. revenue also coming in better than expected at $2.59 billion. wall street was looking for $2.33 billion. that revenue is up 63% from last year. mobile ad revenue is 53% of total advertising revenue. up from 23% in the year ago quarter. that's also a bit higher than wall street had expected and up 3 percentage points from the prior quarter. about to get on the phone with the facebook's cfo.

i'll be back shortly with more details. >> great stuff. thanks very much. want to bring in brian weezer from pivotal research group for his reaction to the numbers. jon fortt is with us as well. brian, first to you. why the 4.5% move to the upside? >> well, it looks like the numbers certainly beat consensus. they look like strong numbers. i think the street had gotten a little concerned about the numbers. >> yeah. it does obviously look like -- let me put it differently. what do you think about the quarter? >> well, so far they look good. i know my expectations were above street expectations. they've got a lot of strength from new products, international growth is doing better than most analysts are forecasting, and so it's not that surprising that they have come above where i was and well above the rest of the street. >> okay. jon fortt, sir, what do you think about the facebook here? we have julia talking about the share of mobile ad revenue as a percentage of total. that's been one important metric. active daily users.

how they're able to monetize video and instagram. >> yeah. it's really interesting. daily active users add 757 million. their year-over-year growth rate is holding up. monthly active users at 1.23 billion. that's also within that 15 or so percent range up year-over-year. mobile monthly active users at 945 million. the operating margin, nongap at 56%, and the cash balance up to $11.45 billion. just shows that they've got expense discipline as well. so i know julia is going to be on the call and she's the best at digging out all the details as far as mobile growth and as you mentioned their plans to monetize video, but it looks like a pretty well-run company that's still growing gangbusters. >> mobile advertising revenue,

that's the key metric people look at, representing approximately 53% of advertising revenue. that's approximately a 23% of advertising revenue in the fourth quarter of 2012. >> that's a huge change, that 53%. remember what that was last year -- >> some were looking for a figure north of 60%. it's definitely an improvement but this is a company where we expect a lot of improvement. >> a year ago i believe it was in the 20s. that's a huge move up. >> absolutely. >> the company is moving in the right direction. >> if you think about a yahoo! yesterday who said we sold more ads, we just didn't get as much money for them, how does this make yahoo! look in retrospect. >> it makes yahoo! look like they haven't figured out how to monetize mobile. they're a couple years behind facebook. facebook had the apps most popular on android and ios. they figured out add units that are working. and you see the revenues following suit. yahoo! just now trying to position tumblr as a key content

management system. you saw marissa mayer talking about putting their tech channel and food channel on tumblr. they're trying to figure out through native ads on tumblr. facebook has been doing that for several quarters and you ste it showing up in the results. >> great point. kelly, the options market has been imply being a 10.5% one-day move in shares of facebook which is slightly above the fourth quarter average of 9.5%. investors were expecting this big pop to facebook either to the upside or downside. >> kelly, here is what i love about this. yahoo! and qualcomm are both based in california. they both beat. these people are making so much fun and they pay taxes. this makes me happy. >> and herb, we would be remiss not to go to break and not mention new sisttar. >> the stock is off about 28% right now or thereabouts, 17%. the company was waiting a contract. they control the contract that allows you to take your phone number with you. they oversee that entire

database, and they have had exclusivity on this and there has been a bidding process going on, and what they're basically doing is putting out a press release that says they wanted a new bidding process. the fcc says, no, that's not going to happen, so the suggestion is they may lose some level of exclusivity here. obviously investors are waking up that this is quite a story. >> herb, thanks very much. thanks to everyone for walking us through a couple of big reports after the bell. we'll keep an eye on them. after a quick break, you can catch steve grasso coming up on "fast money" at 5:00 p.m. we have more on the market sell-off today. we can't forget the fact of what happened. up next, goldman sachs chief economist jan hatzius on what it would take for the fed to perhaps increase its bond buying program. also what does it say about the economy when someone buys a $30 million home only to tear it

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welcome back. the bears have their claws out in a big way on wall street.

kayla tausche with a round up of after hours action. >> we begin with facebook which you have been talking about. it reported better than expected fourth quarter earningsnd revenues. the most important part though, mobile ad revenues make up more than half of its total revenues. two years ago that was 0%. qualcomm also out with earnings. the company reporting better than expected first quarter numbers. revenue coming in a bit light. this comes as the smartphone growth has shifted from developed economies over to china. finally, citrix issues a weak 2014 revenue outlook. that stock down better than 4%. kelly, over to you. >> thanks very much. as the fed continues its taper downward and turmoil reigns in emerging markets, let's get a take from one of the savviest minds on wall street. joining us in an exclusive interview is jan hatzius, the chief economist at goldman sa s

sachs. it's great to see you. did the fed do the right thing this afternoon? >> i think so. i think the goal here was to show that things are basically developing the way that they're expecting and that they want to see. i mean, things have clearly been a little weaker on the data front over the last month. financial conditions have tightened with the latest market sell-off, but net net you're back to where you were on our financial conditions index in the middle of december. so i think it makes sense for them to keep going and shift away from qe. the question really is for the next meeting what do they do with the forward guidance as janet yellen taking over from ben bernanke. >> and before getting into that, jan, i just wonder, as people today are extrapolating some of the poor activity that we've seen across markets into something worse to come, what would it take for the fed at this point to pause, to have to increase, return to something like buying $85 billion?

what percentage likelihood would you give that at this point? >> i think that would be very low. i think even a pause in terms of tapering down by $10 billion per meeting would require quite a bit more weakness than what we've seen. if you had another two weak employment reports between now and the next meeting because there's more information to be released, then i think you could see that, but that wouldn't be my expectation. i would expect the numbers over the next six weeks to be stronger than what we've had over the past six weeks, and i also think that if they did really want to add accommodation, rather than increasing the pace of asset purchases, they'd be more likely to further strengthen the forward guidance because i do think that they want to shift in that direction. >> and it's interesting because many of the people that we talk to around here say they're much more interested in action than talk, and the fed hasn't really been tested on this yet, and

this will be a huge test for a janet yellen early in her tenure there potentially. >> yeah. i mean, there's different types of action. i think if you move forward rate expectations and make those more accommodative -- >> what would be an example of that? >> i mean, if they wanted to do something aggressive, they could talk about the need to -- for inflation to move back to the target and, you know, spend a lot of time talking about the fact that over the last few years it's generally been below the target and that they want it to be at target over the cycle as a whole implying that you'd want to see a period above target. i don't think they would be really explicit about that at this point, but that i think would be a possible direction for them to go in. >> is it safe to say, jan, that in some ways the inflation reports have become more important than the jobs report? >> yes. i think that's right. it's actually been a little puzzling that market reaction to

inflation reports has not been a little greater than what the we've seen over the past six months or so because we're at 1.1% for the core pce index, and if you -- you know, over the next few months you went to 1.5% or you went down to 0.7%, 0.4 in either direction, that would make a huge difference to the market discussion. how much it would really mean? you can always debate that with any of these economic indicators because, of course, they're pretty noisy, but it would make an enormous difference to the way that the fed thinks about the outlook and the market thinks about the outlook. >> finally, jan, would it also be the case that if we get inflation just moving a little bit higher as the labor market has gotten a little firmer and the economy is doing a little bit better, that could be a real problem for some of the emerging markets who would like the fed to take an easier for longer stance? >> yeah. i think if you moved away from the forecast path, and i think we should remember that the forecast path that the fed has

and most people have is somewhat higher for here, so it would be evaluated relative to that path, but if you went up more quickly, then i think it would be more of an issue because people would pull forward the first hike in the funds rate. we still think that's a long ways in the future, but we also have a low inflation forecast, but i do think it matters a lot. >> all right. we know what to watch. jan hatzius, thank you so much. appreciate it. julia boorstin has some details just off the phone with facebook. julia? >> that's right. i just spoke to the cfo. he said that the most important number in facebook's earnings results is its 76% growth in ad revenue versus last year. he says that's a clear indication that facebook ads really work. now, i asked him specifically about those concerns of weakening engagement among teens, younger teens in particular. he did not answer specifically but he pointed me to the company's significant growth. mobile daily active users increased 49% from a year

earlier. so he said that they're seeing growth across the board in the size of the network to people who use facebook and that was sort of his way of answering my question. we do hope to hear more about that concern about teen engagement on the call. he said that there's a big emphasis on mobile. obviously we're seeing an increasing percentage of facebook's use and also revenue coming from mobile, and he's saying they're seeing all the investments they made paying off. he pointed out these numbers do not include instagram. instagram has just touched the tip of the iceberg when it comes to moon advertising the service and the user numbers are not included. >> some of us use it quite a lot. thanks very much as the shares move up more than 6%. timing is everything. maybe president obama is on to something when he promises a new way for americans to save and invest with no risk they'll lose money. >> i will direct the treasury to create a new way for working

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welcome back. straight over to kayla tausche for a market flash. >> kelly, we want to take a look at shaves of las vegas sands. it's getting hit in after hour

trading because the casino reporting weaker than expected earnings and revenue for the fourth quarter. stock is trading down by $3.18. that's a 4.25% drop. kelly, back to you. >> another big mover after hours. kayla, thanks. some 401(k) plans may have taken a hit with the recent drop in the stock market but a proposed new retirement plan called my ra laid out by president obama in the state of the union address could be immune to such market gyrations. it would also be immune to 30% gains like we saw last year. sharon epperson joins us now. >> it's for low and middle income earnings who are concerned about the stock market and want to stay away from it. want a simple and relatively safe plan to invest in, and this is geared to folks who don't have a retirement savings plan at work or have little or no savings. it will work like this. companies will start to roll this out perhaps by the end of the year. we're going to get initial pilot program going, and then it's geared to folks who are making

$129,000 or less or married couples who are making $191,000 or less a year this year. you can start with a minimum investment of just $25 and then payroll contributions of as little as 5 bucks. employers are not running that plan and are not responsible. it's backed by the u.s. treasury, the u.s. government. it works like a roth i.r.a. contributions will be tax-free and you can take that money out anytime you want tax-free as well. the principle guaranteed with the u.s. government with the same investments federal workers are investing in now. the government securities investment fund. the runs on that not very high, 2.25% over the last three years but something to get nonsavers going. when your account grows to $15,000 in this my ra, you have to roll it over to a private individual retirement account. >> okay. sharon, thank you. this is so fascinating. herb, do you like this idea?

>> i'm on the fence. and it makes me pine for the old days of pension funds and -- >> what? >> well, because when you look at returns, you probably depending on the duration, pension funds actually didn't do that bad. >> but the point isn't about the performance. it's the companies can't afford to keep them funded. that may not be as true right now i understand. >> the treasury is saying the employers will not have to pay a lot of money to do it. it can be done through direct deposit. they are anticipating it will cost so little for the employers to do and the funding of this overall program will come from treasury. they're saying -- >> and eamon, that's a fascinating point. >> -- a lot of employers are interested. >> obviously this was announced in the state of union. obviously it's political. probably will help some people. there are going to be people who learn a lot about investing as a result of this but let's be clear. this is a small bore financial proposal, and what struck me last night as i was standing in the capitol watching the president deliver this speech, was how diminished his financial objectives are compared to where

he was when he came into office in 2009. this was a president who was saving the entire financial system, who was bailing out of the auto industry, he was doing big, tremendous things with real historical import and now he's reduced because of the political gridlock in washington and to some extent because of the financial recokor -- recovery t these small -- >> but, jane, why should we be putting people in treasury-like investments when there already is an option to start a roth, invest in stocks, et cetera? >> first of all, when is $191,000 low or middle income? that was sort of eye-popping to me. >> right. >> my thing is i guess it's good if -- 38 million households have no retirement assets. when they say there's no risk, that's because the rest of us are backing up that risk with the good faith of the government. and if you're going to do this with these low returns, you better get started now or like

yesterday. i saw -- >> or 1981. >> i saw five-year cds for $500 that get better returns than this. >> it really is more of a financial education program when you think about it. wh they' what they're trying to do is get people who have had little or no interest in saving at all get a program through their company that allows -- >> why not have companies push people into a roth. >> they have to do that on their own, they have to set it up -- >> we have to go. >> that's why it's political. >> with this, they don't have to. and of course it's political. >> there's a lot of questions about the rollout what will that be especially given the trouble with obamacare. >> my ra. we're going to watch this one. thanks. fed tapering and emerging market turmoil, the two are connected. how long will it take for the chicken and egg relationship to stabilize. blackrock's rick reider will way

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welcome back. want to begin with a quick market flash. >> a hot m&a story coming out

from multiple reports that lenovo is close to buying google's motor motorola mobile unit. a short lived foray into these mobile hand held devices for google. unclear if google will take a write down. routers says lenovo will be using cash and stock to finance the deal and that it could be announced as soon as today. we'll send it back to you. >> kayla, this is fascinating. stand by for one sec as google shares are moving up 1%. i want to bring in the panel and get some thoughts about motorola mobile going from google to lenovo. >> give google credit something may not be working as they originally expecting and not looking back. >> it seems lenovo has been on the acquisition hunt. there were rumors they were

looking at blackberry. >> lenovo has been talking to ib m potentially about buying a low end server business. it seems this company is going all in whether it's the mobile side of the devices business or the storage side. >> they can have it. good for them. >> kelly, can i weigh in on the politics. always politics in play. lenovo obviously a company with chinese roots and something that you have to pay attention to there in terms of chinese acquisition of major telecom assets in the united states. given everything we've seen in terms of concern of chinese espionage, concern of u.s. espionage, there's an interesting subtext to this. >> oh, sure. and the vulcanization of tech will be an interesting theme. does everyone kind of inshore, onshore, whatever you want to call it, try to protect their own systems from interference or not? you're talking about potentially another major deal.

it may have more to do with the performance of motorola mobility than anything else. >> but it is interesting to see such an aboutface from a company that was accused of overpaying at the time around now is saying, yeah, we probably did. i would be interested to see what actually happens when this gets announced. you mentioned lenovo has been sniffing around a lot of u.s. assets. ibm and blackberry. also rumors they were looking at hp's pc unit. they have been looking for a foothold in the american companies. finally google was willing to throw in the towel it seems. >> thanks. the fed met, the fed tapered, and stocks continue to sell off today over 1% across the major averages. let's bring in rick rieder who oversees $700 billion in fixed income and torsten.

we're down to 2.7% and what do you make of it? >> yeah, a bunch of things. a bunch of things happening. i think what's been the most surprising is the adjustment of the emerging markets as fast as it's happened and you think about the news last night with regard to turkey and how markets reacted in a positive fashion to turkey which was amazing to us. at the end of the day there's an adjustment period that has to take place amongst a number of countries to deal with what are fiscal challenges, inflationary challenges -- >> isn't part of that adjustment -- if they're doing the right things to some extent, then why aren't they seeing any benefit for it? how much more aggressive do they have to be? >> sure. well, i think ultimately you will see the benefit. the problem is that it creates economic duress in the interim. you talk about when you have a real impact on your lending mechanism, a real impact on your ecosystem, it has an impact for sure. ultimately it's the right decision. i think what markets were looking for was for them to do it but you also have south

africa and india and brazil and there are a series of these that have to adjust and it takes a bit of time. >> to go back to the ten-year and what it's telling us right now, aside from the stock market today, you guys make the point that every month we get closer to the fed hike. the ten-year rate will move up eight basis points. it's done the complete opposite. does that suggest the prospect for the fed raising interest rates has been pushed off by many months? >> it's pretty amazing when you think about it that the economic outlook over the last several months has improved dramatically. we've seen an improvement in momentum, consumption, industrial production, cap ex, and nevertheless rates are lower. this is all driven by em. we've got to go back and look at the u.s. data and is the u.s. economic outlook improving. particularly the labor market is getting better. we have a lot of people that are running off extended unemployment benefits and this is going to have a significant impact on the unemployment rate in the u.s. one case, one example of this

was in north carolina when people ran off benefits six months ago, the unemployment rate there fell 2 percentage points over the following six months. the issue now is can you imagine what the fed would be saying if the unemployment rate nationwide in the u.s. would be two percentage points lower? >> wasn't the case in north carolina the lion's share of that was people leaving the labor force. >> employment went up in north carolina. they also cut the extension of benefits to how many weeks you can get benefits to a lot lower level than others. the bottom line is we will see a decline in unemployment rate. that's what the consensus expects -- >> why is the market moving in the other direction? >> because of the risk off mode we have at the moment. >> if external factors are pushing rates lower, if people will look to the u.s. as more of a safe haven, shouldn't that be supportive? >> i think it also has to do with the fact we've had a significant run up in risky assets more broadly. we're probably just taking a

break for a little while. i think fundamentals will come in fairly strong. let's wait and see what nonfarm payrolls will be, what unemployment is. >> what positions do you guys see here? >> so i would go back and say a kunle things to agree with what torsten said. everybody pointed to when the fed tapers and said that would create -- there wouldn't be a buyer of long dated assets. that's not true. taper is already in the market. the fed is doing the right thing today in terms of removing quantitative easing. that's not helping unemployment. it's not helping true unemployment at all and the marke markets' long end of the curve is fairly priced. what now the fed is moving to is trying -- is to keep the front end of the curve down. you have moved the volatility to the three to five-year part of the curve. we run strategic fund that's flexible. the long end is okay despite the fact that taper was going to

start happening and is happening today. and the fed is doing the right thing but the volatility will now be in the front end. the economic data is pretty good. now they're going to try to keep the front end down. >> and so people should be careful there for now. >> yeah. that's where we think -- >> rick, thank you so much for joining us. torsten appreciate yaur thoughts. so much going on on a busy day and a busy after market session. cold temperatures have literally frozen traffic across the south. we have a special guest coming up who will share his own personal travel nightmare. you won't believe how long it took my supposedly vacationing co-anchor bill griffeth to drive just one mile yesterday. yes, he's down near atlanta, and bill is phoning in next. and yahoo! shares getting crushed on the heels of shrinking ad revenue. we want to know how you would rate marissa mayer's performance as ceo. tweet us @cnbcclosingbell.

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well, in case you haven't heard, it's pretty cold up here in the northeast. it's winter though and we should be used to it. down south it's a much different story. it's where snow and ice have put a glacial like cover on cities such as atlanta, charleston, and new orleans, and my poor co-anchor bill griffeth thought he was going on a vacation, thought hes caped the cold this week. he's visiting family in atlanta, at least trying to. bill, what's going on down there? >> i came down here to get out

of the ice and snow and look what happened. i brought it with me i guess. >> it followed you, exactly. so you got stuck. >> as you know, my mom's 97th birthday is on friday, kelly, and we came down here to spend the week with her and my brother and his family, and we just got caught in this storm of the century or the storm of a generation as it's been called. we're up in alpharetta, 30 miles north of downtown. it's outside the 285 loop that surrounds the downtown area which was a parking lot and it started yesterday afternoon. people just left all at the same time because they knew the snow was coming, and, you know, atlanta is a city that doesn't expect to get this kind of weather, so they don't have the infrastructure that we have in the northeast with the plows and the salting and all that to the degree we have and they just weren't prepared for this. so it has been a nightmare for the last 24 hours. it's getting better, but it's

still far from normal right now. >> and, bill, a cousin of mine was stuck on the road trying to get home last night for ten hours. >> yeah. >> how long did it take you to get out of the mess? >> we are in a hotel in alpharetta that's about a mile and a half from my mother's and we left there at 7:00 last night. it took us an hour and a half to go that mile and a half which was incredibly frustrating. and then we had to find a place for dinner. all restaurants but one were closed at 8:30. >> i bet they were doing a good business. >> that little pizza joint, we were blood to see that oasis open. he did land office business. that pizza never tasted better. but it's getting better. it's thawing out now but it's still far from normal here. >> our hats off to the pizza guy and also, bill, to your mother because 97 is a big deal and i think even that traffic is worth it. >> yes. the next trauma we have to worry about is getting her to blow out 97 candles. >> please tell her happy birthday on our behalf and i

miss you. we'll see you back here on monday god willing. >> see you monday. thanks. >> freezing temperatures not cooling off the action on our website. allen wastler joins us now. is it the fed taper, the market is it the market action? i've got plenty of hot, plenty of hoot. right now the hottest is still the facebook earnings, okay? we haven't had less than a thousand people reading the story since the time we put it up per minute, okay? it's chalk it up. lynn oh voe is come up the reader. the fed, of course, the big story of the day. we had over 50,000 people already look at that story. and the counters are still churning up, churning up, churning up on it. finally in the speech last night, president obama listed the m.y.r.a. security device? well, everybody this morning woke up this morning saying what is m.y.r.a. it's been doing gobs of traffic all day long. so those are the hot ones for you right now. >> people want to know what to

call it. m.y.r.a., m.y.r.a. >> m.y.r.a. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we've been asking how much is his performance as ceo. tweet us at cnbcclosingbell. we'll highlight the best tweets coming up at the end of the show. and how do you know when you have too much money? what if you have a $30 million home and you tear it down and build another one? that might be the case if your father's name is larry ellison. we'll have a look at this story when we come back. opportunities aren't always obvious. sometimes they just drop in. cme group can help you navigate risks and capture opportunities.

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well, teardowns are nothing new in the real estate market but $30 million ones are relatively rare. we have the incredible circumstances behind this case. >> so what's more excessive than buying a 20 million dollar hours? well, buying a $2010 million house and then tearing it down. that's what's megan ellison is likely to do with the new home she bought in hollywood hills. she's combining it with the property she bought next door to become queen of the hill. let's take a look.

why would anyone want to bulldoze a ,200-square-foot mansion? it's worse than ugly. it's out of style. >> it's maybe arguably the last time we may be able to see it. >> when you hear how much someone will pay to tear this down, you may fall off the sofas. ultimately wealthy people are likely to be drawn to buy this for one reason. it's more line a throne, to reign over all of l.a. so even before she's laid a single concrete block, she's already spent $30 million. indeed the ellison family has been good for california real estate. back to you. >> yes, it has. don't miss all new episodes of secret lives of the super rich. they begin tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. you can also catch a little more "shark tank." we asked, you tweeted.

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we know we're not the center of your life, but we'll do our best to help you connect to what is. welcome back. we've been asking you to tweet us your thoughts on marissa

mayer's company yahoo!. they had their worst earnings in two years. tony says i knew she would fail. she never ran a company, yahoo! ouch. >> on the other hand, before mayer started breathing new life into the company, bravo, mari a marissa. and finally, we need to give marissa time before we judge her. she's only been there a year and i see you nodding in agreement with that last point. >> i agree. how much time do you give a ceo time to turn around a company. that's a good question. i bet you have an answer to that. >> there is no set time but i bet she gets at least another year. in other words, if we're in a downward spiral a year from now that's sort of a different story. >> it begs the question. what is yahoo! here for? the way steve jobs stripped out everything with the company is instruct ivg here. yahoo!'s got the sprawling services. >> jane, last word?

>> to me i love it. she's like the kardashian of the business world. we can't get enough of her. >> is that a good thing? >> well, i love watching her. in fact, though in the movie i would cast kristen wiig. >> great to see you as always. it's time for "fast money." melissa, what's on tap. >> i'm melissa lee. your traders are -- facebook just reporting earnings moments ago. strong mobile ad growth is sending shares higher. julia boorstin has got clues exclusive comments from carla samberg. that's coming up. we've got bob monitoring it in studio so we can trade it live. the s&p now down 4% for the month. today's selloff sparked by more concerns about the emerging markets and it continued as the fed announced it would taper by ot