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is what i'm talking about. it's been a bad february and this is the first trading day of the month already here kelly, so it's not getting off to a great start with the dow down almost 2% following a 2% slide in the nikkei overnight. >> and, bill just so people can get some context around what we're seeing this looks like the worst start to a month in terms of percentage losses for the dow, for the s&p since 1982 and for the nasdaq potentially ever at least going back to 1972 as our data does. >> let's talk about this. i mean it's clear that this market is struggling in 2014. what does it mean for you as an investor? with us today, gina sanchez from chantico global. michael gued anthony chan from chase. and our own rick santelli. >> michael, we have been talking for months about the need for a 10% correction in this market

that did so well in 2013. it would appear it's under way. >> it certainly would appear, and i think it's actually perfect opportunity for investors to reposition portfolios. going into this, bill our position has been, yeah you're invested but you're in the conservative names the names that really don't lose as much now beta is getting killed a lot of leaders getting killed. this is an opportunity to reposition and not to panic, bill. people are going to want to panic about this. every 10% down is not a time to panic. it's not 2008. it's an opportunity to repo reposition reposition. >> anthony, i want to ask you whether this is an event driven by liquidity or an event driven by deteriorating fundamentals like the ism report in the u.s. that dropped five points over the month which is a pretty big drop and an extremely unusual one. >> what we're seeing is still the economy is expanding. you even see that in china and i agree with michael that if you look at the declines in the equity market, you got to take it with a grain of salt.

if you look at all the january declines going back to 1927 we have about 31 of them. and about 14 times in the other 11 months the market has dropped -- the s&p has dropped about 13.4% and the other 17 times it has risen by 14.4% on average. so on average the market is actually up almost 1.9% in those other 11 months since when the market is down in january. no need to panic. >> don't you think these numbers really default, we're such a manufactured economy right now with the federal reserve a lot of these past statistics kind of don't mean as much anymore, right? >> if i take you at your word that means i'm a little more bullish now because now we actually have more support than we had before. so my cautious optimism should be greater optimism. >> michael -- >> i'll let you go in. >> i feel left out today. >> i know bill you need to get over here. it's crazy outside. >> i'll get my dogs and my sled tomorrow and make it down there.

michael, you maintain this is the kind everof sell-off the fed wants to see. >> yes, the fed wants to get out of qe. here we are after i don't know how many billions per month have been pumped in. ism is weak payroll data is weak. old risk off behavior started on that weak payroll report. the crisis is reflation. now, you talk about panic. if the market is starting to realize there are no inflation expectations, that qe did not force replationflation into the system how can we not be concerned we could see a round trip in equities. a lot of people are blaming this on the weather. excuse me, weather today has nothing to do with treasury bonds 30 years out. this all started two weeks after the start of january. deflation started beating. let's just be very clear here. if everyone is talking about a crisis in emerging markets, the crisis either already happened

or is not going to. the thing to focus on is u.s. small caps which are more high beta and -- >> and i'm going to take that a step further. if you see rates, for example, potentially on the horizon rising in the u.s. you will have to see them rising ine m. the question is does that make em growth stumble and does that make global growth stumble? that's the big question that's making the markets really nervous right now. i agree that probably it doesn't stumble. i think that most ems have the capacity it takes to deal with all of these issues in terms of defending currency, et cetera et cetera. they're in a much different position than they were ten years ago. so i'm not expecting a crisis and i think this is potentially a buying opportunity. >> rick santelli, what a way to greet janet yellen at the federal reserve today. >> well you know think back. traders talk about this a lot. alan greenspan comes on board for mr. volcker, boom you have the '87 crash. mr. bernanke takes the reins from mr. greenspan, you're at

the epicenter of subprime to develop about 15 months later. it seems even though there hasn't been a lot of fed chairmen, they always seem to come into office and the market gives them an unusual greeting. i like looking at the ten-year. it's down in yield sharply today but i also note you make all the excuses about weather you want i think the ism and the real data in addition to all the other global pieces moving means it's a multifront issue with regard to the marketplace. and, and if you look at 2s to 10s on the yield curve, it continues to flatten. it tells me whatever is making all these pieces move the way they are, they may continue to do so, especially because of the next chart which is dollar/yen intraday. a big swoon on the dollar and, of course we're hovering at the same benchmark as the ten-year note. lowest since october 31st so i guess it's happy halloween.

>> and that lower dollar has pushed the gold price higher today as well. rick, what do you think about michael's contention that this is the kind of sell-off the fed would welcome right now because, you know, there was talk last year as the markets continued to power higher that maybe there was a bubble being created in risk assets and if that was the case the air is definitely coming out of that bubble right now. do you agree? >> well if that really is true and i would never speak for the fed, it seems a little strange to me that they put all the ammunition to make risk assets go up especially the stock market, only to what? to get happy now. they're not in the business at least past chairmens of busting bubbles. i think this is an issue for the fed, but i think that it's an unintended consequence they're going to have to address sooner rather than later, and i still don't expect it will in any way affect the time line they have to remove quantitative easing. >> and very quickly to add to that the fed wants this risk off period so the market replaces them in the treasury

landscape. that's why yields are falling. that's why they continue their tapering. the only way to do it is if the market replaces the federal reserve. >> we've been here before. we've been here twice before at the end of the first round of quantitative easing and then the second. this was the catalyst for them to get back involved. >> we're forgetting -- we're just talking about taper here. we're talking about everything going away. everything is not going away. >> remember it isn't just the u.s. central bank. it's a lot of central banks. >> what's that rick? >> there's a lot of central banks involved. you know when we were looking at the first qe or -- >> exactly. look at japan. >> we now have japan going wild and ecb most likely going to add in. i think this is a bigger issue. i think the markets are seeing past that you can't fix everything through artificial means and the economies must -- >> the great last bubble. >> -- stand on their own. >> we're talking about the why,

but but, gina sanchez, there are people going what do i do about this? is this the time to step in? is this the correction we've all been waiting for to get back into the market or do you think there's more to come? >> there is certainly a lot of risk that there's more to come. the risk is to the downside there. if there's any change in the pace of tapering right now, they would boetth be seen as bad. a quickening would be seen as bad and a slowing would be seen as bad. a quickening would say there's more taken out of the market and a slowing down would mean that the market isn't strong enough and maybe our global growth concerns are bad. i think there are downside but i agree this is a time to reposition, and when the markets settle, i think you really need to get back into equities. >> remember what repositioning means. it doesn't take your entire portfolio strategy and dump it into the market. if you have cash you start buying selectively. you have high beta assets you

take that profit. should have taken the profit three or four weeks ago. take that profit -- >> would have should have have could have. >> of course. >> what gives you the confidence, for example, that the rest of the year isn't going to play out the first five weeks did? what happens if that period continues -- >> we don't want to go back to 2013. >> in terms of equity performance, the yen is weakening. >> 2013 is not going to happen again, but there is still too much liquidity in the system. it's an artificial economy. look what's happening in japan. look at the stock market returns in japan. all of a sudden now japan, some of the air is coming out, instead of 50%, it's only up 42%. so i think we're in a situation where there's enough liquidity for a long enough period of time that that's going to drive market. and my view the concern is later on when we're $40 billion or $50 billion down the road of taper and then the patient really has to start behaving in a way where

they have none of this stimulus. they have none of the adrenaline. that's where the real danger is. >> anthony chan the presumption has long been when the fed began the tapering process, they would do it at a time when the economy could withstand it and hold up on its own without the easy money, but lately the economic data has been coming in pretty soft. what do you make about that? >> part of it is weather. people get very upset. i heard a comment that the ten-year or 30-year has nothing to do with weather, but guess what? even when you get a soft gdp report those rates do react. that's just the way it is. they react minute to minute. the truth of the matter is real gdp will accelerate in 2014. we're looking at 2.8% at the bare minimum for growth. the fum fundamentals are improving into 2014. >> just in a herky-jerky fashion. we're having too much fun. we're going to stop this for a moment but ask everybody to come

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number creates three economic reports that have disappointed. the employment number for december, the durable goods number and the ism in january. i would suggest that if the employment report disappoints again on friday that yellen at testimony next week remember she goes before congress to give the old humphrey hawkins testimony february 11th and 13th i think she might suggest a pause to the taper, and that would be for the following reason, that it might be in order to kind of see how much the weather may be affecting the data. i don't remember when we last talked about a polar vortex in this country. the weather could be having a profound impact on the data or there could be true economic weakness out there. the fed did this back in september. they paused to get clarification from the data and when the data in your opinion clarified they went ahead and began to taper. i think they would not lose too much credibility -- >> but steve, it's almost the

issue, you know this as well as anyone if janet yellen raises this, even raises, even obliquely refers to it the market will price it in immediately and then they'll be in a bind. >> she would do so in order to probably create such an event. i mean that's why she would do it. >> rick do you think -- >> i have to say that you're right, it's a little early given that the meeting, kelly, is in march. it might be a little early, but it may be an option out there worth thinking about. >> what do you think, rick? >> let's play some pepper. bill, do you think we're going to be in a recession anytime soon? >> i guess not, no. >> okay. do you think we're in an emergency here? is the market melting down in a fashion that seems like it's an emergency to you? >> not yet, no. >> okay. well i don't know. i think that based on what i hear, it's very disturbing should the fed halt the taper because what it tells me is that markets aren't markets anymore. they look at a market like stocks. they don't like the way it's trading, they want to alter it.

i understand they're in crisis, they have to put liquidity in but this is well beyond that. and i think it really calls into question what a central bank's main purpose is and this discussion will not only be in different pits on this floor but the market might not be enamored with the notion. >> it's a sad state of affairs that the fed is day tradingq e. that's what we're discussing. >> i want to be clear that my remarks have less to do with the market than the da economic data. the market -- i wouldn't say the fed would do this based on the 300 point decline but it's a possibility if the employment report comes out disappointing again, probably sub 100,000. >> don't you think it would take more than just one or two employment reports. it would take a series over months? if all of a sudden the next employment report is back and she immediately takes the buzzer and says i can't take the pain

anymore i'm going to flood, that's going to really impact her credibility. won't it take a period of time -- >> you guys say that you have had situation where is that's been said of bernanke when he reversed course and it ended up being the right course to reverse at the time. people say they'll lose credibility. when the numbers out the way they come out, then it ends up being the right call. >> anthony, you're the one that's got the economist on your business card among this group here. you're more constructive on the economy though here, right? >> i am and i would prefer to see the federal reserve continue on its pattern of tapering but at some point when you have a new fed chairperson coming in right when they get to bat, they don't want to strike out on the first time at-bat. if she's going to err, she's going to err on the side of caution, not on the side of being aggressive. >> so you think it's possible -- >> let's not forget we have zero interest rate policy. we have qe but zero interest rate policy. we still have much going on with regard to what the fed's involvement still would be in

the economy without any qe whatsoever. >> but then -- >> that's why i would prefer for the federal reserve to keep going. remember, if they just pause, that's a big difference from flooding the market. that's just saying taking a step taking a little breath and then -- >> but -- >> gina what were you going to say? >> but pausing would tell the market that in fact their fears that this might be a slower -- >> that's exactly what would happen. >> -- would be terrible. the market would take it horribly. >> but -- >> hold on because the fed would not be telling the market anything it doesn't already know, right? it would simply be reacting to the data that the fed sees and the data the market sees. i don't think there would be an added signal of worry there and -- >> but you're implying the fed would fight it. >> the tool is not working. >> michael, you have to believe that once the morphine drip starts to slow down the market it's are going to go through a period of thed dts, don't you think, and isn't that what we're going through? >> dts, yes.

>> it's a reminder that risk still matters in markets. after last year i think every single retail investor came a little too late. the new bulls came in too late and believe that you'd see a continuation of the stock rally, and this idea you'd have no volatility. we live in a volatile world. everything is interconnected and moves faster. we keep talking about qe and tapering. the issue is not qe. the issue is is it working to begin with. this was the only iteration that did not juice inflation expectations. >> you could blame the fed or you could just say that a broader environment has changed. we look at what's happening in so much of a vacuum that's u.s. centric, but frankly, the rest of the world is shifting into a phase where instead of contributing to a massive commodity price boom we're coming off the other side of it. it's a different landscape than last time. people are exporting deflation left and right and the fed to some extent being the biggest player in the house is

responding to this global impulse. you can like it or not, but there is a broader context. >> if you look at the rolling average of the returns, the rolling average the returns over the last 12 months how are they doing? >> they're doing fine. that's why this sell-off -- we're all jazzed up and talking about what horrible thing is happening. look at the rolling 12 months. the market is still up double digits. if the economy is stumbling forward, we're panicked we can't have as much free money -- >> if this year is down 15% and last year was up 30%, averages outside it's up 15%, why can't the fed live with that? >> we've been talking about this idea of double digit returns. retail stock have been falling off a cliff. where is the wealth effect? >> one point that hasn't been mentioned is more than 90% of the incremental amount of quantitative easing doesn't get circulated. it's stuck in the form of excess reserves. you can take two approaches.

say i give up it's not working, or even throw more if you though that 10% of it is actually going up. i don't want the federal reserve to do that. i want them to continue along the pattern, but that's still another option. >> anthony, do you want them to do that anthony, do you want them to do that in the face of weaker economic data? how do you -- that's really the question. >> i want the federal reserve to continue -- >> even if we start printing sub 100,000 employment numbers. >> i want the federal reserve to stay on that pattern, but i am also saying this janet yellen may not take that approach. >> don't you think she has the intestinal fortitude to allow the markets and economy to settle down without all the easy money, steve? >> i do. i do and i think that's what she wants to happen and i think she may first, by the way, want to rely and see if she can get any juice out of additional forward guidance if it's possible. but i guess my point is that she also has the intestinal fortitude to take what you said or what was said earlier this, notion she would hurt her credibility, i think she has the fortitude to do the right thing

if she feels it's necessary, and she might feel in the case of persistent economic weakness to stopping the taper might be the necessary response. >> steve, define the right thing. what is the right thing for the fed to do -- >> it's a great question. >> if the stock market is moving lower -- >> i'm not talking about the stock market. i'm not talking about the stock market, rick. >> we could couch this anyway you want. >> i am going to couch it the way i want to couch it if you don't mind. the way i want to couch it is -- >> would we be having this conversation if the dow was up 300 with the same data. >> that's an interesting question. that's a great question. that's a great question. i would say that the falling stock market does create an economic reality which is tighter financial conditions that the federal reserve would be concerned about. >> it shouldn't. >> the reason why we have this conversation about quantitative easing is you've hit the zero lower interest rate down. you've hit the zero. you can't do anything more. even though the economy may demand more stimulus and the

question is what is the right interest rate for the economy? >> the economy demands certain reforms. >> that's the whole point -- just trying to provide the answer here and the answer is if you hit zero and the economy provides more stimulus, you provide quantitative easing as a way of providing additional -- >> if my house is cold i can shovel all the coal into my furnace i want but it's a gas furnace, won't make a difference. >> thanks, guys. we have to leave it there. >> i don't know how that's relevant, but okay. >> steve, appreciate it. edding towards the close. if you're just joining us we have a sell-off sto start the month off with the 35 minutes left in the trading session here. the dow is down about 2% but i would point out the nasdaq has been the most volatile recently. it is down 2.6%. so technology in the aggregate getting clobbered today, kelly. >> that's right, bill. you can look across a wide range of gauges. the volatility index is jumping. we have small caps in more or

less official correction territory down 10% from their peaks. >> that vix now at 20 is at the level it achieved last october, the last time a minor bottom was put in by this market. i'm just pointing it out. not trying to predict anything here. >> or we have just turned back time. the dow quickly approaching correction territory. so what is an investor to do? buy this dip, run to the hills? we've got an all-star team of money managers with advice you cannot afford to miss. that's coming up after a short break. opportunities aren't always obvious. sometimes they just drop in. cme group can help you navigate risks and capture opportunities. we enable you to reach global markets and drive forward with broader possibilities. cme group: how the world advances.

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welcome back. a monster sell-off on wall street as the dow takes another step toward what could be considered correction territory, bob pisani. the dow down 7-plus percent year-to-date. >> i'm calling it the great rotation in reverse. we'll show you why. take a look at the spdr. when we had the opening at 10:00 on the is m numbers when we dropped even further, and i don't know how much weather is accounting for this. they cited it frequently in the ism report but the bad weather blues affected the autos as well. maybe the consumer is weaker than expected and it's not just the weather related event. we've had heavy volume in big etfs today. look at the russell and the midcap which is iwr. we have had roughly twice normal

volume. big ones in the spdr too but not as big there. a lot of people are lightening up on their exposure using etfs. they're going into bonds. we are getting titanic volume in etfs in the barkley's 1 to 3. short-term treasuries. intermediate term treasuries, the 3 to 7, huge numbers here. 30 times normal in the ie i and even on the corporate bond we're getting roughly twice the normal volume. so the money is going out of stocks and you can see where it's going here because you can see the flow in these etfs. put up the full screen and i'm calling it the great rotation in reverse. vanguard is down 5% on the year and the total bond market bnd, corporates as well as treasuries and it's up 1.6%. you know the consensus was out of bonds and into stocks and stay away from all the bond

market in general. it's interesting how the consensus is always confounded. bill, back to you. >> yes, you have to be careful with that consensus. thanks, bob. heading toward the close. 30 minutes left on this big sell-off day. the dow down 1.8%. and the s&p is down a like amount but it's the nasdaq that's really getting clobbered, down 2.5% just today. >> and bill i'm thinking about the game last night. the super bowl game. if you want to talk about consensus, every time people think they know the outcome, it will be the narrowest game we've had and look what happened. you come into february and people think -- or 2014 and people think it will be more of the same and not so much. speaking of things that have taken people by surprise. japan's stock market falling into correction territory. will the dow soon follow? and if so is that a buying opportunity? that's coming up next. also could plunging stock prices and sinking bond yields force new fed chair janet yellen to abandon tapering? something we talked about and we

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japan's stock market the nikkei back in correction territory with last night's sell-off of almost 2%.

let's just all remember though it was up 36% last year and it is now down 10% for the new year. but now look at the dow. down more than 6% from its high. we classify a correction as being down 10%. so i guess we're wondering whether we're to follow here, kelly. >> exactly. the question, bill is whether long-term investors should fear a correction as well or embrace it, and there's no one better to ask than gem ma godfrey and michael farr from farr miller and washington. gem ma i want to kick off with you. why is it whatever happens in japan, we seem to follow suit? >> it's been one of the best performing markets last year. if we broaden out to what's been going on in markets, obviously it's been very consensus driven. that's why investors are focusing on that market and it's a very crowded trade. investors are heavily invested

in japan and in tech which is why a lot of the market sell-off has also been driven by these different markets. the way we're looking at it anyway is we're going to be focusing on pullbacks as a buying opportunity. so, for example, in japan, we'd actually be looking at small caps because the interesting thing about the japanese market is the small cap market, they are one of the only small cap markets to have underperformed large cap. it's about being more specific and smarter in the way we're investing. >> michael, are we to follow and have our own 10% correction and would that be a bad thing necessarily? >> yes and no. thanks so much for having me. >> take care michael. >> thank you, bill. >> back to naples with you. >> you know we've been due for a 10% correction. we haven't had one in over two years. our stock market went up 32% last year. so no question we're due. i think that people that panic really haven't been paying attention for very long. this creates a certain opportunity for buying.

i'm not pollyanna-ish. i'm always cautious, but if you're going to try to position yourself or when i see this trade that's going on now to the short-term bond market that bob pisani was talking about earlier, i think people are saying, well if it's going to fall another 5%, i'll sell now and go to the sidelines. my experience says you can't do it. if you're going to stay invested for the long term do that and take advantage in terms of buying in bits and pieces when these opportunities present themselves. this could go further but i don't think it's panic time at all. >> well, that's to some extent what i think people need to be aware of is the lack of panic. i'm seeing every single note m my inbox saying i am buying this dip, i got my shopping list out. i'm so grateful for the pull back. >> it means we're going down 15% or 20%, doesn't it? >> is it a smart money play or is it complacency?

you know gemma, you were making a joke about this being a hokeypokey market. >> exactly. >> i have always learned you invest for a particular reason and until the reason you invested changes, you continue to invest. so have the fundamentals changed that much to cause this correction here or do you just take it in stride? >> and also you pointed out something very interesting before the break in terms of where volatility is now but let's look at where volatility has been. at the beginning of the year volatility was a seven-year low. this was always going to be a more challenging year. my comment in terms of it being a hokeypokey trade, it's about getting into long term quality names that will provide very good buying opportunities and entry points to. it's going to be, you know -- it's getting out of where potentially the market has run a little too far and a lot of low quality names have been kind of pushed up alongside in this type of rally and shake it all about is about getting smarter within

that within sectors. it's about being more specific. something we have seen in emerging markets something that's highlighting is you have got to be specific. you can't trade all of emerging markets exactly the same. country by country they're very different. and so what we're seeing right now is everything moving together and over the longer term as obviously the news flow carries on and the fundamentals show through there's going to be a polarization of returns, and the likes of ukraine, turkey, et cetera low quality names in the u.s. et cetera, all the tech stocks that aren't able to deliver on their promises and they need to in terms of growth because of where valuations are now they're going to be the ones to suffer whereas those multinational steady, stable good strong management, much stronger fiscal situation, they're going to be the ones that will continue to do well and that's where we're more confident and we see these entry points. >> two of the smartest people we know and we like you, too. >> thank you guys. >> i really agree with your point, bill. you have to figure out why you're investing and stay there

for the long term. that's great wisdom. >> thank you, michael. take care. >> he is a wise one, that mr. bill griffeth. although the bad weather seems to be following him around the country. >> you noticed that did you? >> yeah yeah. not appreciative of that nor the fact that take a look at markets at this juncture. it is an ugly start for the second straight month here. the dow is giving up more than 300 points at the lows of the session. one of the weakest starts for the s&p and the big blue chips, bill in terms of percent since 1982. all right. still to come maybe this horrible market can help young brands if people are eating comfort food like chicken wings and nachos and pizza. that could help companies' body line. we'll have them after the bell. also going to have more on today's dramatic sell-off and where markets are heading next when that final bell rings in 20 minutes. keep it right here. you're watching cnbc, first in business worldwide.

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each of the major averages down more than 2% at this hour with the dow down 330 points. that's about the low for the session right there. the nasdaq back below 4,000 for the first time in a little while and the s&p down 2.3% as well. joining kelly and me to talk about this john manly from wells fargo and mike mcqueen from hightower. i know you have seen your share of market pullbacks on wall street. does this one make your palms back? >> yes it's a very good sign. i have seen more than my share. we've been through it we'll get through it again. >> and, mike what do you make of this? to bill's point, does this even register when you go through the experience of past sell-offs, whether it was in 2013 or in years prior? >> actually our clients are giving us the right message which is what happened in the past is something we should sit through. none of these have been permanent. they're willing to sit through it. no one is panicking. i think it's a natural cause of what's going on in the last

couple years. >> why isn't that complacency, mike? i get what they're saying but when does it become complacency? >> i think the investors out there, individual investors, may have gotten some perspective from 2008 and 2009 and are beginning to act a little more like institutional investors if you can believe it. they have perspective and they understand the market cycle and the value of liquidity in the stock market compared to where their home values are for example. >> because john, it has to be said we're off almost 350 points today. and it's almost like people are going that's all right. >> that's actually rather unsettling. i wish -- i'm getting a little scared. i wish we'd all get a little scared. the trick in a bulg marketl market is to get as squared in a 5% to 7% correction as you would with a 20% to 30% fall in a bear market. even though there doesn't seem to be a good reason for it, it's down, things happen for a reason. >> but, john every time we've had you on not picking on you, but there have been plenty of people like you who come through

here saying we need a 10% correction. we need some kind of a pullback to weed out, you know, the weakness in this market. isn't that what's going on? >> it could be. when i go through the fundamentals as i do when i'm scared because i have terrible instincts for stocks when i go through the fundamentals the fed will still be accommodative even if quantitative easing ends, the earnings are still coming through. valuations on forward earnings aren't bad. as long as that holds, it should be okay. i think that's exactly what you're satisfying but it goes down and i don't know exactly why and when i don't know something it makes me uncertain. >> mike we have a big jobs report coming up on friday with a lot of people citing the weak jobs report last time as part of the reason why we've had this sell-off. i guess the stakes are high for that one. we don't have the fed really at its next meeting until march although we'll hear from yellen next week. how does this unfold? >> if we don't have a good jobs number and if we try to ascribe it to weather, we could further be a catalyst for this

correction. i would use it as an opportunity to begin to scale in though because i think we do have strong fundamentals. we do have job growth we do have rising home values and we have low energy prices. >> is there anything to this first day of the month indicator where we argued about this in january. does it mean anything? it did last week. does it this month? >> i'm not going to pay attention to it. we have to have a longer perspective. >> do you feel the same way john? >> better than sunspots and super bowls. >> this isn't much better than the super bowl. >> i'm glad -- i'm proud of us we haven't brought up that silly super bowl indicator. john, would you nibble here? would you step in and buy some of your favorite stocks if they've come back here some degree? >> sure. it's hard to do. it's hard to buy into this kind of weakness but this is the sort of thing -- i think they're starting to get to us. i think we're starting to pay attention. that's part of the process. the fumsndamentals are still good. at the end of the day you have to use your brain and not let

yourself be ruled by emotion. that's what i'm trying to do at this minute. >> for people who are tuning in right now saying wait a minute the market is off 300 some points for the dow. why? what is your explanation. >> marketthe market needed an excuse. it's really just an excuse. the market goes down because it's been going down for a long time and occasionally it goes down. >> john, what do you say? >> i like the way this man thinks and i think that's what happened. as i said though i would feel a lot more happy if i weren't as complacent as i am. i'd like to see us get a little scared. this kind of day scares people so we're getting there. >> you look at the yield on the ten-year. kelly, you would know this number. >> we went below 2.6% and we started at 3%. we've compressed 40 basis points in a month. >> we're at 2.58% today. and yet it's happening at a time when the fed is pulling back on

its easy money policy. it's not buying as many treasuries or it's not going to as it has. you would think, john that the bond market would be pushing yields higher not lower. what do you make of that? >> well i'm not so sure what the fed will do. i was a little surprised they continued the tapering. i think the fed is -- i always felt the chairman of the federal reserve is at least as smart as i am and she has to be seeing the same things we're seeing. tapering is not carved in stone. >> this is precisely steve liesman raised the issue, we'll ask people about it in the next hour about the fed response. not as rick santelli is saying they're responding to the 300 point sell-off or maybe they are, but that they're going to wait to see some real material economic weakness before they would do anything like reversing the taper, would they not? >> janet yellen is seven hours into her tenure. i think she's going to have a bigger view of the situation than what's going on right now. >> what do you think her excuse is?

i could picture her sitting in her office now saying well this is weather related. some of the latest economic data we've gotten in the last week or so has been pretty weak and disappointing. can we just lay it all to the polar vortex? >> yeah i think that you will see people laying it off on weather, but at the end of the day, the last thing she wants is to get a reputation as being a reactionary. i don't think she will factor current events in like we think she should perhaps. >> john what about you? >> i think she'll do what she thinks she should do. just because her being brand new as chairman of the fed isn't a reason to do or not to do anything. she'll do what she thinks she should do. we all try and feel our way forward. she doesn't have to increase the taper. >> and i think the guys over at mkm writing a little bit about this and whether to -- how you know when it's gone from a sell-off to something more severe, they said look, we'd need to see not just one month but sustained weakness in the

manufacturing gauges like we saw today. we'd need to see plunging consumer confidence. we saw an increase. we'd need to see significant tightening in financial conditions and we're not seeing that. does that sound about right? >> that sounds reasonable. i see nothing wrong with reactive. if i don't get it right the first time i'd rather react than let it go and let it fester. i think the fed will do what they have to do. >> the other indicator that we've talked about in the last hour that i'm watching the vix, the volatility index, the fear indicator, whatever you want to call it, continues to move higher, and we're above 20 now, which historically has sort of been yellow flag territory, and it has sometimes as it did last october signal a short-term bottom in this market. you know this is the fear indicator, mike mcqueen. there's obviously some fear among traders as they continue to buy the volatility here. >> right. and john really made the good point. if there wasn't fear we should

be scared. i'd like to see the fear level a little higher. at the end of the day not a single one of these corrections has ever been permanent if we look back across all our careers. so why should this be any different. >> thank you. we want to bring in bob pisani and the great art cashin. art -- >> and i'm going to sneak away back to the set. >> we'll see you at the top of the hour kelly. >> art, what do you make of how the market is responding as we head toward the close? >> i think the key indicator i'm looking at is the yield on the ten year and that's telling me that this is more than weather related. that there are deeper portions to what's disturbing the market and i think it may be things like continuing in the emerging markets and the fact that maybe some of the temporary weakness is not whether reeather related. i'm going to keep following that yield. >> in addition to concerns about emerging market that ism number notabley weaker than expected haas raised concerns about whether the u.s. economy might be weaker maybe perhaps

including the consumer. we saw ford's numbers. they don't seem very worried. the ford executives said we don't think this is a big issue. we think it's probably weather related. obviously the market is not entirely buying that argument. >> i think the market is divided into three influences. one, the weak economic data that you got on the ism. second, the internal technicals. when we broke 1770 we began to spiral downward. so that's important. and again finally, harking back that yield on the ten-year is not behaving as though everything is copacetic. it looks like there may be something out there that maybe we don't even see quite yet. >> but, arthur we've talked i will bring this up to you as i have done in the past hour to our past guests. we've talked ad nauseam for the last several months about the lack of a 10% correction or pullback in this market that was maybe need eded to weed out the weak hands. now we're getting it but wrere're

wringing it our hands at the same time. >> reason i'm wringing my hands or at least wrenching my brain is that a good broker is a good detective. you look at all the various things and see if they match. should gold be doing what it's doing if this? should the yield on the ten-year be doing that if this? that tells me there's something slightly untoward out there or at least it appears to be. so i'm going to keep my eye open. happy to take the correction but i'm not washing my hands of it. >> in other words, they're running for cover too much in the bond market for your taste. >> they're telling me there's something here not weather related and perhaps more serious. >> you were talking about complacency. i see a lot of concern here. the volumes in the big etfs were titanic today. obviously some people are concerned. the vix over 21 that's the highest level since june. i don't think that's a sign of necessarily complacency. i think there's some signs of growing concern. >> and you have high volume in equities today. another distribution day. >> north of 4 billion shares. a big volume day. >> thank you both.

>> okay. >> see you later. so we close out a big sell-off day to start the month of february after a pretty tough month of january. the dow now down more than 7% for 2014 and the nasdaq is back below 4,000. stay tuned now for the second hour of "the closing bell" with kelly evans. i'll see you tomorrow, kelly. >> bill, i hope so. welcome to "the closing bell." i'm kelly he wasevans. it is february. maybe it was because the groundhog saw his shadow. maybe because the mayor dropped him. here is a look at what happened with the major indexes. the dow off 323 points. 15 15,735. the nasdaq off 2.6%. it will close below 4,000. the s&p 500 giving up 40 points to 1742. i want to get to it with the "the closing bell" panel. dominic chu, kate kelly, dan

greenhouse and "fast money" contributor tim see more. >> you will read a talk about how we haven't had a 10% correction in "x" number of days and this is the first 5% correction since "y" number of days. most of our clients' view is the fundamental underpinnings really haven't changed. yes, the fed is buying a few less bonds. yes, the economic data hasn't been perfect but ultimately earnings are coming in fine and that's what drives stock prices higher. >> here is a slightly contrarian point of view. i hung up with a hedge fund manager and he said to me it was 2013 that was the aberration. i found 2013 to be less ex applicable than 2008 which had more fundamental explanation for what was going on. people were so overzealous last year. 98% of the people that gave me a

long stock idea were right and that never happens. now we're seeing what could be a very healthy corrections in the markets. he was predicting a turnaround between 5% and 15%. he said today is the first day of real pain we're going to see. other hedge funds say they're seeing liquidations of some stock names. people are getting out of the nikkei as well. obviously they're nervous about emerging markets. so i think we're going to see perhaps short term sell-off continue here. >> here is something interesting, too, as well. i was talking to patty don, and one thing she brought up that was very interesting was the ten-year yield. it's now below 2.6%. it's a big move and the reason why it's important was because the taper really doesn't matter anymore. all the bonds they didn't buy that they tapered have now been erased. people are flooding in and buying those treasury bonds, the safety of everything else and that's the reason why you're seeing a lot of this move. this might be this risk aversion trade. and the ten-year yield is where you're seeing the battle lines

being brawn. >> remember in 2013 where traders would come on and say i have no reason to sell. the situation has changed. emerging market volatility, weak economic data, concerns about the fed tapering as well as the dow breaking its 200-day moving average, those factors combined are giving investors a reason to hit the sell button. >> and it seems like we're going to see a focus on data right? this is a good question for tim, too. ism today obviously set a certain tone. now we're going to have jobs on friday that would be crucial. there might be a fed-like focus on where we're at from a research perspective. >> is the next move for the u.s. federal reserve -- what is the channel? what is the link here between emerging markets and between what's happening in the u.s.? >> i think the fed basically told emerging central banks last week they really are going to let them fend for themselves right now. i don't think the fed until we see an appreciable impact on the u.s. economy from emerging market weakness which as much as i'm a guy that sits in the middle of emerging markets every day and see this is volatility

as being something that's warranted, i don't think this will slow down at least the g3. i think if you look at the data that's coming out, ism to me was a linchpin of sorts because the u.s. economy is what we have to worry about. consumer confidence last week consumer spending, when you look at where we are in the u.s. so far, and even the german said you're right near 2011 highs. >> that's what makes the fed response so interesting. steve liesman just last hour on the program saying look he could see a world in which janet yellen decides maybe next week to dangle a lit bit of something out there in front of congress perhaps saying if conditions were to materially worsen we could do "x." do you think anything like this is possible? >> sure. and are be it for me to disagree with anything steve liesman says. but the fed has always said we can dial down the amount of purchases and dial back up the level of purchases if the economy doesn't react well. but to be crystal clear for viewers that are going to hear a lot about the monthly employment report and the ism, weather is

really a bad excuse. companies use it all the time. economists use it all the time. the fact is december was cold and so was january. and nobody shops or buys a house or does a lot of things when there's a polar vortex gripping half the country. it's possible -- >> i'm surprised you're in the weather camp dan. >> for the first time ever i might be. but to be clear, if friday's number comes in weaker than expected instantaneously people like myself will come out and say, well it was pretty cold we have to wait another month. >> we also know and this is one of the useful things about a survey like the jobs report it's very easy to tell if there's a weather effect and there was to your point in december. >> there absolutely was. >> if we see it again in january, then what is the real tell? >> how can you not see it in january? it's been so cold and so precipitous on the east coast alone. even today it's like are we done with had yet? this has to be affecting businesses and certainly consumer spending. >> that's absolutely correct. to be clear consumer confidence

in the midst of this ticked up. i think what's important for investors to realize when they're picking specific stocks is a lot of this sends to be transitory transitory. when you look at specific companies you can pick them for yourselves. you don't need my advice on it. when you look at specific companies, the question is how do you not over the next day or three or six but the next six months or year. this will prove to be exactly that. transitory. >> exactly. because if you go back to 2009 march of 2009 those intraday lows, we have seen a number of 5% corrections. forget about the bigger ones the 10% to 17% ones. that happened the last time in 2011. every single time the markets have been bought by investors. a lot of -- >> or by companies. >> fair enough. share buybacks but the thing that's interesting is the fed has always been talked about as the backstop of what's been happening here and now that they're starting to taper back a little bit maybe if they insert themselves back into the picture, do you have that same kind of yellen put effect that you had with -- >> i just want to -- so people

can get a sense real quick of what kind of sell-off we have just had with a hat tip to gina francola. it looks like out of the s&p 500 nine companies closed in positive territory. carmax, pfizer, time warner apple interestingly enough edison and o'reilly automotive. tim, what do you make of that? >> look earnings have been very good. you have to pick stocks. we had extreme positioning. 38% of the companies have beat. they're being more rewarded for beating on the bottom line which is a little strange because people have wanted to see 2014 guidance better. that's really the place where people have to be clear. the equities that i see in the markets i'm following are not trading on macro data. they're tradingen extreme positioning and valuations. look at the transports. look at kansas city southern a name down 20% almost overnight when they say 2014 is going to be difficult. these stocks became -- people weren't looking at their businesses. they can only grow so much. this is a place where you have

to take a step back make your shopping list. which on "fast money" tonight we're going to have -- everybody will give their shopping list. it's a great time to be licking your chops. >> i want to go to peter costa who is joining us just after the close of trade on the floor. peter, talk to us about volume. i just cited one of the breadth indicators. we only had a handful of stocks in the s&p 500 closing higher. what is the significance of today's sell-off to you? >> there's a couple things i want to bring up. number one everybody in the country and everybody who has been on tv for the last two weeks has been saying this is a buying opportunity. so you know what? i'm going to say -- i'm going to go out there and say we've bail hit the 200 day moving average, went through it. i think tomorrow is a very very important day because if we continue on the downside with significant volume which you can look at 920 million on the mis e and say that's significant volume but it really isn't.

if we do see significant volume tomorrow on the downside we could definitely be in that corrective phase you've been talking about. >> let me let dom in here. >> it's interesting because, peter, we talked about the nine companies in the s&p 500 that actually made these new highs, closed up and whatnot. what's interesting is a lot of them have this common thread that they're very domestically u.s. focused. time warner cable is one of them, southern company, o'reilly automotive. the auto parts retailer is one of them. do you see a theme here developing where people really want to go after domestic u.s. focused companies to avoid the emerging market bloodbath that may be happening? >> absolutely. and i think that you're going to continue to see that this week and i think we'll probably -- i have been reading online in a couple different blogs where they think the emerging market situation might go on for over a month or two months. so i think people are starting to put their money in what they feel is the safest -- i'm sorry -- the safest haven right now and that is u.s. -- >> a little mood music here.

smooth jazz for these volatile markets. seema, what were you going to say? >> thomas leo at jpmorgan sees the emerging market volatile as an opportunity. he's recommending clients to find companies that have high exposure to emerging markets. there's one contrarian in the mick of this that says this might be a buying opportunity. >> i have a quick question for dom. in terms of the fed having been very involved at the $85 billion a month purchasing rate and now maybe they'll step on the gas again. it's 65 a month quite a high rate as well. they're still highly involved, aren't they? >> there's no doubt they're still highly involved. but it was something bob pisani made during his bold predictions early on. he said he wouldn't be surprised maybe if the fed decided to reaccelerate bond purchases because it does demonstrate they're data dependant. if the data goes the wrong way, maybe they go back and say, hey, we stop the taper, halt the taper a little bit, and maybe

even put -- like you said put the pedal to the metal a little more. >> one quick point. let me go on record as saying i don't see a way that the fed increases asset purchase going forward. we have to remember something really important here and that's the fed wants to get away from buying bonds. they don't think it's as effective anymore as they once thought it might be or was. they're done with it. they're relying on forward guidance. i think it would send a terrible signal to markets if -- >> go ahead, tim. didn't you just say they're very data dependent? what do they do? and, in fact yellen fed needs to show there's continuity and continuity says they are truly listening to the macro. >> listen i think they could do one of two things off the top of my head. the first is they could pause. i don't think that necessarily meets the criteria i just outlined and secondly they could rely on forward guidance and reinforce the idea that rates are going to be low for a long time. they could lower the unemployment rate threshold.

they could suggest they're -- >> they should just talk about inflation. >> talk about the fact that inflation may not be as high at this current time. someone is coming up who will discuss that very topic. quickly while i have you tim, let me ask you a quick question about the em situation. if i had asked you four months ago to name three or four top emerging markets that might be hit if there was volatility would not turkey the ukraine, argentina be at or near the top of the list? >> they have been on that list for 18 months dan. so this is the thing that's a little surprising and if you look at companies, we're about to hear from yum brands who have priced in a lot of emerging markets headwinds. i think you have to be very careful about shorting into the hole if that's where you're looking at some of these names. i agree with what you're saying. for people that are waking up and saying there's problems in venezuela, where have you been for the last decade and if you look at the economic impact of venezuela on this country w a handful of corporates you hear

them talk cmh, pay attention to that but it's not taking down the world. >> that's exactly right. >> tim, thank you for joining us on this day. you can be sure to stick around and catch more of tim coming up on "fast money" at 5:00 p.m. they will all have their shopping list as he mentioned. much more ahead on today's sell-off. two of wall street's top market pros weigh in on what's really happening here. is it a healthy correction? is it something worse? how worried should you be? we'll get a reality check from two folks who have been through this plenty of times before. plus yum brands and hartford financial earnings are on deck. hartford's ceo speaks to me about obamacare, the economy, and more. keep it right here. you're watching cnbc, first in business worldwide. tdd# 1-888-628-2419 searching for trade ideas that spark your curiosity tdd# 1-888-628-2419 can take you in many directions. tdd# 1-888-628-2419 you read this. watch that. tdd# 1-888-628-2419 you look for what's next. tdd# 1-888-628-2419 at schwab, we can help turn inspiration into action tdd# 1-888-628-2419 boost your trading iq with the help of tdd# 1-888-628-2419 our live online workshops tdd# 1-888-628-2419 like

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welcome back. a rocking start to kick off the week and the month. sheila dharmarajan, running through the stocks feeling the most pain. >> what a rocking day indeed. let's start off with herbalife which had a roller coaster of the day. opening strongly after it said else sales would come in higher than street forecasts. but then it dipped and then

ended in the green. we have a big loser in fire eye after the anti-cyber hacking company fired a $700 million secondary offering. twitter was a winner today gaining ground. rbc capital and web bush both said they were optimistic about the outlook for the company's fourth quarter and 2014 performance. ford and general motors losing ground after they reported a 7.5% and 12% decline in january sales respectively. blaming in part of course the bad weather. and finally we do have aol moving higher after the price target was raised to $57 a share from $46 a share citing the company's strategic momentum -- excuse me, citing the company's strategic momentum. >> thank you. for more on today's sell-off, let's bring in the former ceo of wells fargo and daniel alpert managing partner at westwood capital. great to see you both. dan, you're right here. i want to know what you make of

the markets today? >> all of this is a reaction to the ism and pmi data but that was signaled at the end of the q4. china was beginning to soften already and the problem with that is that you only have a world here of limited aggregate demand. when china softens, it's signaling. when we get to a situation where china's inflation rate starts to come in that's very bad for the united states. >> how bad is it going to get here? >> in my opinion, bonds and equities are adjusting to a post-qe world. everybody thought that when qe ended we would see interest rates go sky high or at least higher. >> right. >> that is proving not to be the case. there seems to be ample demand for high quality sovereign debt. that's not just in the united states but uk japan, et cetera. and that demand is out there no longer facing the falling knife of tapering. everybody sees tapering is happening and, oh, my doshgosh --

>> how much lower could interest rates go? >> i think 2% 2.5% on the ten year. >> i don't think that's going to happen. i think the opposite will happen. but i think what's happening today is very rational. i think the market is very fairly valued. i have been saying that for quite some time and i think that when the fed says the reason they go qe 1, 2, and 3 is to help risk assets when they taper, you would think the opposite would happen. so we're simply seeing a rational reaction to say the fed is tapering therefore, they're not going to support the market as much. but that's healthy. i think if we get a 10% correction, i think the market will be higher at the end of the year than if we don't get a 10% correction and we keep the market going to levels that cannot be sustained. >> what do you think, dan? >> well i think right now we're looking at all financial assets including housing in the united states having been rallied enormously by an easy money

policy that's been going on for five years. but i just go by the past. after they announced qe1 was going to end and qe2 was going to end, bonds slumped and interest rates rose and then the market rationalized. >> the same thing that happened now happened then. >> and the same thing is happening right now. >> this is what i wonder. so you can see a situation in which the u.s. economy is improving and we work through a little bit of a sell-off and we come out the other side having felt as though we've moved on. but what happens if we're trapped in the past or trapped in the situation like we have seen in the past where those weaker financial conditions that you mention make the fed feel like it's got to step up? >> well i think the fed has finally realized qe 1, 2, and 3 didn't work and i think they want to get out of the bond market. we're seeing also that i think the reason that the ten-year has improved is the flight to quality. you know the currency situation in developing markets again caused by the fed is disruptive.

where are you going to invest? the stock market is fully valued. so it's very natural that it goes to the high quality bonds. i think that's just temporary. i think it's not good for the u.s. economy because the weakened currencies in developing markets is going to cause our exports to be reduced, and that's going to slow the economy. all of this is caused by an inappropriate fed policy and anyone who believes that more bond purchases helps to grow this u.s. economy doesn't understand the u.s. economy in my opinion. >> what is the right response dick? >> to keep tapering. the best response is if we could taper faster but they won't do that. >> i think -- >> i think $10 billion a month until it gets done. >> i think there dick and i completely agree. i would end the qe tomorrow. the price dislocations that have resulted are horrible. >> i totally agree. >> what you need to do is watch the inflation statistics. the bond market is not going to

slump if inflation is sub par, continues to be sub par, and if you look at the things that drove inflation even to its very meager 1.5% 1.7% levels of last year those were expansions in housing and rents and other areas that right now we don't see -- at least from our perspective, we don't see a good chance of that continuing. >> you're writing about the age of supply that's your book -- >> oversupply. >> what did i say? >> supply. >> oversupply. i'm sorry. oversupply. this is an important part of it. you're talking about oversupply super low inflation, and yet saying the fed shouldn't respond. >> well the fed has responded, and what it's concluded in the last round is that it has diminishing returns. they did pump up assets. dick is absolutely right. they pumped up financial assets housing, et cetera and the problem is that has only had a limited impact a very limited impact on the real economy and what's happening right now is people are scratching their heads and saying if that was all we got in the real economy, what is the world going to be like without it? >> dick last word to you.

>> and i think we should worry about something else. we're seeing a reaction just from the tapering. there's $4 trillion on the fed's balance sheet. ten times more than than there's ever been. think what's going to happen to the bond market when you have to start getting rid of some of that. so, you know all the things the fed has done other than get the markets back to normal in 2009 in my opinion has been a mistake. >> all right. well that's m.y.r.a. comes in. the retail public can buy them. >> thank you. really appreciate it. then there's the fed. it is janet yellen's first day on the job officially today and she's greeted with this kind of sell-off. is she paying attention and what does the fed do now? that discussion right after this.

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i would pay close attention to her testimony next week before the house financial services committee on tuesday and then the senate banking on thursday. she'll get a lot of questions about regulation and that sort of thing but marketing will be looking at any indication that she's taking both the economic data which is pretty soft into consideration and the sell-offs in the market to perhaps in march gave a taper to the taper. i don't think she wants to do that. they want to get out, but if we keep seeing days like this, they may have no choice. >> and, ben, i want to bring in the panel as well. we also learned today ben bernanke will be taking on a gig at brookings. he'll be in the neighborhood. he's going to be in the neighborhood. do you think there will be conversations. this is such a high profile first appearance for her and one that comes at a market sensitive juncture. >> i imagine they will be. they were close friends. she spoke about him being obi-wan kenobi to her luke skywalker skywalker. i'm sure they'll chat. i'm sure he'll give her some war stories about what it's like to face people in congress who

maybe don't have a lot of expertise in monetary policy but you got to be nice to them when they ask you questions. so she'll get some political advice from him and then obviously they'll talk about the taper and whether to stay on course or not. but it's janet yellen's bus to drive now. >> ben, hi it's dan greenhouse. >> hi dan. >> obviously this is the -- the economic weakness is relatively new, it may be weather related. we have another month before the next fed hearing. let's say the market continues to weaken but the data necessarily does not. do you have any insight into whether janet yellen is likely to favor slowing down asset purchases, although i don't think she will but with market weakness that's not accompanied by economic weakness in the data? >> i doubt it. it will be much more dependent on the economic data. for instance, if we get a strong jobs report friday that reverses that bad one we got in december and if the revisions are to the upside, that would weigh much more on her decision making than

a few more days of corrections in the market. i think she said in her confirmation hearing she didn't think stocks were in bubble territory but clearly is aware they ran up a great deal last year and we're seeing some of the froth come off and sell-offs in stocks. if we were to see down days of 3% day after day, that would be a different story, about you a couple more d a a couple hundred points off the dow and s&p will not weigh on her decision to taper. particularly if that economic data turns a little bit and starts coming in stronger and we do think a lot of it was weather related, then i think they stay on course. >> ben it's kate kelly. how are you? >> i'm great. how are you? >> good. one of the thoughts people seem to think about yellen is she would be staying the course bernanke set as chairman. this is a job with quite a bit of latitude and right now she has potentially added latitude because if the data changes, she has a very reasonable explanation for why she may want to change the taper plans as

they're unfolding right now. oshd on the other hand, she has indicated she would stay the course charted and she could write off one set of economic data as a one off, weather related, so she's got quite a suite of options here and probably a grace period right, to kind of make her first few moves without an overreaction. >> i think that's probably true and obviously she's got a pretty long run of data to draw from when she faces the press on march 19th. we're talking about bad data now, but there could be a lot between now and then that changes. that's why it makes next week sort of interesting when she's on the hill right after the stock market sell-offs and with this bad economic data. my guess is she doesn't make a whole lot of news she continues to say the economy underlying some of this volatility is doing pretty well, doesn't get too freaked out about the stock prices, and indicates that the fed will stay on course which itself could lead so more turmoil in the markets but it will take a lot more bad data to get her off the plan of tapering. you had previously guests who said the fed is very desirous by the end of this year getting

back to more normal policy. they want to get on the sidelines and they think the underlying economy is strong enough to let them do that. >> but what if what if janet yellen -- what would the market perception be if yellen would taper the taper? that's my question. would she be conceived as weak perhaps for her to come in her first fed meeting and to then already change the plan in action? >> no. i think the reverse would probably be case. she'd be viewed as taking bold action in the face of difficult data to pause and just following through on what the fed has said that there's no preset course and they could change direction. no matter what she does she'll come out fine. >> could be remember volcker moment. ben, thank you very much. baptism by fire to be sure. we'll have more on the sell-off today. wall street's red arrows companied by a harsh snowstorm too boot. a heads up on when the next round will hit. there's another storm on its way across the country heading to the northeast. plus the big three automakers or at least two of them skidding because of snow and cold. coming up just what has been

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welcome back. it was bad inside the stock market and outside today as well. mother nature has been wreaking havoc yet again this winter and

it could get worse this week. nbc's jen maxfield has the latest out of morris town new jersey. i cannot believe it's still snowing. how much accumulation is there? >> reporter: kelly, it has been snowing for more than 12 hours now. we have a little more than six inches here in morris town but as opposed to the last storm where the weather was so cold what we are dealing with today in morris town is much thicker, it's wet, and heavy. you can see what it's doing to the branches and the lefers onaves on the tree behind me. that's caused a most of problems. police are reporting many utility lines down throughout the state of new jersey. there are power outages, especially in bergen county and that again because of the weight of the snow on the utility lines. i do happen to have a ruler here with me. i'm not promising this is a scientific measurement but we're going to put it into the snow that's accumulated on this fencepost here and we see about seven inches in morris town.

it's one of the larger snow totals in the state of new jersey, but, again, this snow really a challenge for people who are trying to dig it out of their driveways. a snowplow just went past here on farragut street just about two minutes ago so you can see the street here is clear and that's pretty good especially considering this is a dead end, so probably one of the last streets to get plowed but this is just round one for this week. this is storm maximus. early wednesday morning we're looking at winter storm nika and then again on sunday potential for more snow. the people we've been talking to today say they have absolutely had it and it's only early february. so, again, a snowy week expected in new jersey. kelly, back to you. >> and a near miss for the super bowl. thanks very much. it's something walmart talked about in its fourth quarter, about the impact of eight named storms on its results, and today ford and general motors both down with the rest of the market, this on word that mother

nature hit auto sales hard in january. phil lebeau assessing the damage for us. hey, phil. >> ugly numbers, kelly. anyway you look at it ugly numbers for the month of january for the auto industry. when you look at the sales pace compare where we came in in january versus the annual sales pace. 15.24 million for the month of january, and there you can see many people saying, well listen, we should have been closer to 15.6 15.7. fell well short of that. sales on the eastern half of the united states were below expectations. on the eastern half of the u.s. and in central u.s. they were down 10% according to ford. that was for the industry. the automakers say the problem is there simply weren't people coming into the show rooms. traffic was down. picked up a little in the middedle month when the storms went away but then it got bad towards the end of the month again. they're not changing guidance when it comes to sales for february or for the first quarter. take a look at these number. i said they were bad. all below expectations. chrysler, even though it was up

8% that was below expectations. stocks, this he took it on the chin today, especially gm and ford. selling off probably with the rest of the market but these numbers did not help. if there's any good news here, kelly, it's the fact that i have talked with a few dealers and all of them have said the same thing. they believe the weather kept people out of showrooms and they do believe people will return weather permitting this month. >> wow. phil, stale with us if you will. at this point i want to bring in auto expert lauren fix, known as the car coach. lauren, welcome, and is this weakness really all just about the weather? >> thank you. well, part of it is the weather and the other thing is a lot of consumers have just seen the l.a. and detroit auto shows with a lot of new product. if you want to buy the new kia k-900 or the new mini cooper you have to wait for it to get into show rooms and everybody is saying spring. justs a jeep had a really good month up 38%, the reason for

that is new product is finally getting into dealerships. they had some manufacturing delays. that's part of it. but then on the other side you have to look at all the incentives out there. you can only milk this market so much and the average price of a car being sold at gross number is down 1.2% bringing the average price of cars down to about $29,800 a vehicle. consumers can only be -- with the economy, you have tax returns and the weather, i think all three together sort of hit their own polar vortex. >> well and, phil what i wonder and i'm sure it's important for all the auto stocks is whether auto sales in terms of the new auto sales is praek peaked. 2013 was such a strong year. is that as good as it gets? >> no. if we have two or three months where we come in at 15.2 or 15.4 million as the sales rate then we'll see people adjust their expectations lower, but right now, kelly, the expectation is that overall sales for the

industry will be about 16.3 million for this year. compare that with 16.4 million for last year. >> lauren what about you? >> i think we're looking at somewhere between 16.1 and 16.4. it's really hard to tell because it's not just the weather. it has to do with the product, has to do with the economy. remember, people are still waiting for that tax bill to come and that's going to be impacted by our current on again/off again economy. we had a dip in the stock market and also we've got obamacare which could impact individuals to the point where they don't buy that new car and hold off on that purchase. these are all factors that are very difficult to predict. >> you know phil i want to ask to that point, there's been more suggestion lately given the broad based weakness we have seen across some major retailers that maybe it is the health care premiums related to obamacare that's taking more of a bite out here than people had expected. anything anecdotally you're picking up on that? >> i asked that question about five minutes ago to an auto

dealer in kansas city. he laughed and said i have never heard that suggested yet. i brought this up to others in the i industry nobody thinks increased premiums might be keeping people from going into the showroom. when you look at the leasing rates and interest rates, if you want a car for $170 a month, you can get one. >> i know. >> it's never been cheaper. so that suggestion has been floated out there. i have not heard that from anybody in the industry. >> got to leave it there. lauren, great to see you. thanks for all the detail and pushl if especially if it was that part of the country where we saw weather, you can understand some of the weakness. appreciate it. also hartford financial out with results just moments ago. the insurance giant ceo speaks to me exclusively next. we'll talk earnings. we will talk obamacare and the economy a lot more. keep it right here. opportunities aren't always obvious. sometimes they just drop in. cme group can help you navigate risks and capture opportunities.

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china sales, same-store sales, this is huge this company in china, down 4% as expected. it's a company that gets half of its revenue from china. it's had an extremely difficult year in 2013 because of avian flu, bird flew scares. customers ran away from some of the kfcs all over china. thousands of stores there. also pizza hut growth same-store sales came in a little disappointing in december but perhaps it's baked na edd into the stock. the call is not until tomorrow 9:15 a.m. eastern. perhaps analysts are looking to this for a stabilization to the cop's company's problems in china. i'll continue to dig through and see where the bright spots are. boy are we watching shares spiking in the afterhours. >> that's for sure. they're up 5% to 6%. you're saying the u.s. same-store sales off 2% and china off 4%? >> exactly. that 4% was expected. the 2% was a little surprisingly

weak. we'll take a look at the guidance numbers. >> better results certainly than mcdonald's. thank you for now. bob pisani joins me now. we want to get some context. any thoughts on yum first? >> down 4% not great on china, but the question is can they stabilize right here? that's a huge part of their overall business. we'll see. i'd like to hear what they have to say on the conference call and how they're dealing with some of the issues they had with the chinese authorities. let's talk about today. >> if you want to. >> what made people a little freaked out, we were already worried about the emerging markets. we got the ism numbers and car sales numbers coming in below expectation. you have another overlay of concern is the consumer weaker? yes, everybody blamed the weather and that is a big part but they were not willing to forgive everybody on that particular issue. >> and art cashin likes to point out the ten-year wasn't moving because of the weather. >> no it wasn't. and weather is a nonrecurring item item. if it's bad this month, it will get better next month in theory.

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welcome back. insurance company the hartford reporting better than expected fourth quarter results. the stock popping about 3% after hours on the news settling down a little bit now. joining me in a cnbc 3% in after-hours news. joining me now is liam mcgee chairman and ceo of the hartford. it's great to have you here. what can you tell us about the quarter? >> hi, kelly. it's nice to be with you again. it was an outstanding fourth quarter. it was a milestone for us in transformation and turnaround of the firm. and a lot of good things coalesced in the fourth quarter. our go forward businesses had very good year over year earnings growth. we significantly reduced the size and risk of our legacy variable annuity blocks particularly in japan. and we made progress in the effectiveness and efficiency of the firm. because of our financial strength and now significant capital flexibility, we were very pleased to announce a

two-year cap management plan with $2 billion of equity repurchases and about $656 million in debt repayment in 2014 and '15. overall, a very gratifying quarter and year. >> sure. and i want to ask you about a couple specific parts of your business. and apologize for the syncing issues we have. i can hear you fine. tell us about autos. we got weak auto sales numbers today. there was news out of the obama administration that they may be encouraging cars to talk to one another down the line. what are you seeing in terms of the auto insurance business? >> actually that business performed pretty well for us. i listened carefully to your segment with phil lebeau. and i would agree that east coast and eastern u.s. weather had an impact on economic activity, as we've experienced here in new england. telematics is an emerging theme

in aweuto insurance, where you can adjust premiums based on the safe driving habits of the insured. and there's technologies coming down the road where cars will become smarter. that's not a near-term thing but it's something we're thinking about and preparing for. >> what about claims for things like workers comp? we heard about the weakness from u.s. consumers, when food stamps run out, unemployment benefits run out. can you tell us about trends in that important part of the business? >> well both in our workers comp business and our disability business claims have really flattened out. loss cause trends have flattened out and are actually beginning to get better. that's one of the reasons you've seen improvement in profitability in workers comp for us. as well as a significant

improvement in improvement in profitability and life businesses. >> quick, because today's market action was so severe we've seen stocks sell-off. but we've seen longer-term interest rates really come down this year. how much of a headwind for you guys? >> well certainly, lower rates make investing new money, getting an acceptable yield with the appropriate risk/reward more challenging. but i'd remind you, kelly, that we have a large general account. but only a small percentage of that is up for reinvestment on an annual basis. it's a headwind. but it's manageable. >> liam thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. really appreciate it. liam mcgee as the hartford group turns in earnings. the snowstorm, meanwhile, turning wall street white. allen wastler joins us now with "the host list." >> it was all about the market today. look at the traffic spike we got just after lunchtime when things started heating up. look at that bad boy.

just a nice little poke up there. there's already over 40,000 people have read our market story for the day. and they're still piling in. i checked just a couple minutes ago. 5,000 people every minute reading the story, all the way through. now, when everybody's worried about the market they want to hear what the wiseman has to say. art cashin in an exclusive video, talking about the two key factors he's looking at. he had some interesting thought about weather and the jobs number. sort of like traders can use the weather as a get out of jail free card. anyway our final thing on the "hot list" today, we did an explainer on market corrections. what does that mean? well it's 10% below. there's a lot of nuance involved in a correction. and there's a lot of difference between that and a bear market capitulation, all the other things. we lay it all out there. if it's confusing you, go to the

website and check it out. those are my three burners. >> i think it's fascinating. i often think about it as 10%. but it's not the case actually. >> it's not exactly 10%. it's not like the market says we hit the 10% level. markets get sloppy sometimes, right? >> and so does the website. thank you, allen. great to see you this afternoon. here's what i wonder. is it almost like the old reagan line about a recession and a depression, like a -- how would you describe a correction? >> i've had this fight with a number of our clients. and i get angry with people on tv who say we haven't had a 10% correction in however long. there were concerns about greece in 2012. the s&p sold off 9.94%. is that not sufficient to meet the level of a correction? i don't agree with that and i don't think many other people would. >> that would suggest that markets aren't as vulnerable to -- in other words, the climb hasn't been as aggressively

upward without pause, as people have been characterizing. >> whether we had a correction of 10% or not, or the summer of 2011, or not, is whether you're susceptible to a correction today. each depreciation is separate from the last. but these are interesting talking points that people use. but to the point of the cnbc story, there's no firm definition if we have a correction or not. >> dom, it is pretty clear. you want to talk bear market, 20%, right? lopping off a fifth of the market value. >> you need a point of reference. that's what investors are looking for. they're looking for a reason a methodology, a data point to make a decision on whether they want to buy or sell a stock. in this case a correction maybe the technical term for a lot of traders is 10%. some people say a 5% decline or a discount in price, is still a quote/unquote correction. but what it boils down to is if you believe that correction is something that's going to exacerbate or one you can buy

on. that's why people focus on the number 10. >> on the fundamental side, it's weak academic data. we see the sell-off pressure continue, we're seeing market technicians looking at the 50 100 and 150 day moving averages. >> these are the levels we'll watch tomorrow. 1730s on the s&p 500 in some cases. we have a lot lower to go. 14930, that's the 10% correction ground for the dow. thank you so much. coming up on "fast money," correction protection. traders revealing their shopping list. what you should be buying after today's sell-off.

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breaking news here. stocks kicking off february with an ugly start. the dow closing down more than 2% suffering its seventh triple-digit drop this year. the s&p 500 seeing its worst february start since 1933. the nasdaq closing down more than 100 points for the first time in more than two years. and the russell 2000 entering correction territory intraday. i'm melissa lee. our traders are tim seymour, brian kelly, karen finerman and guy adami.