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bit of uri. we were hoping for 100 and 96 and change. >> facebook, big sales, i think you ought to buy jim cramer sta now. \s. my miss is simple. to make you money. i'm here to level the playing field for all investors. there's always a bull market somewhere. i promise to help you find it. "mad money" starts now. hey, i'm cramer. welcome to "mad money." welcome to cramerica. other people want to make friends. i'm just trying to make you money. my job is to better tain, coach and teach, so call me. or tweet me. leadership is a wonderful thing. today we saw leadership all over the place, which is why this remarkable rally, one that was
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blasted constantly by that get out now contingent continued. dow climbing 65 points, s&p gaining 4.1%, nasdaq vaulting a full 4%. despite this mark's relentless assault, there have been whole sectors falling by the wayside, barely involved in the remarkable rally, including much of high-growth tech,'s well as the retailers, airlines, and worst of all, the bioteching. whoa. these left for dead sectors burst back into the plus column today. bolstered at last by true leaders, generals that took up the man tell. as they've suffered that i beatdown. perhaps most important these leaders demonstrated the hedge funds who had been shorting these stocks endlessly may have
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overstayed that i welcome. yes, these groups that have been behaving lie virtual annuities have finally become hazardous to the short seller's health. they need to be covered. who are these new leaders? let's start with the most obvious battlefield promotion today. netflix. here's a stock that peaked in march. since then it's had a miserable run. what was the crime? it lives in the wrong neighborhood. this stock belongs to a sector of companies highly valued without a lot of earnings, a group that had been rallies like crazy, because new signups, and then somehow about six weeks ago, that became a terrible reason to own a stock and terrific reason to short it. then last night netflix reported an amazing quarter, a quarter that showed how netflix has a gigantic growing business with a model that will work worldwide. i can't stress enough how importance that international angle is, since every
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entertainment company tells you -- it looks like netflix will be among the first to do so in a great way. but our conference call is a thing of joy. just listen and watch some of these sometimes, it's where reed hasting and cfo david wells told stories of unrelending growth. they offer a superior product with superior service. we all want to now how by the total addressable market, or t.a.m. he told you one of the greatest conference call gems i've ever heard say, quote, the total addressable are human beings that enjoy tv shows and movies, because everybody will be on the internet. in other words he's saying the total market long term is 7 billion people? netflix's tour deforce got it going and with it went stocks
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like yelp and zillow. facebook with a gutsy credit sweet upgrade, you better be right, because you know where his neck is if it's wrong. even google went up, which had indeed be acting like death until today, some more leadership. there's al her gan and valeant pharma. i'll have more on my dislike of that transaction later, but right now the key is this deal, plus the shuffling of assets you reminded the market of the value hiding, spell if as a matter of fact investors are willing to pay $45 billion for allergan, or even biogen, celgene, and yes gilead with the remarkable
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earnings, they could be targets, too. oh, and woe to those who bet against gilead, one of my favorite companies from get rich carefully. these stocks had all been totally overwhelmed by new biotech supply flooding the market for a period of seemingly endless ipos that i hope is dying down. today the group came roars back. who have thuvg they were also undervalued. retail has been a real drag, then along comes an upgrade to home depot by wayne hood on top of blowout numbers for harley-davids harley-davidson. the ax is an analyst who has been the best at calling direction of a particular stock. today wayne hood, who i regard in the know the most about home depot, said it's time to buy. harley davidson ran over the short sellers after a monster
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good quarter. nobody needs a harley. to me people are spending on superfluous goods again. a real break to the retailers, hey, many have been saying that if gasoline kept going up, plus fuel is such a business expense for airlines, so today's decline helped with the retailers while lighting a fire under the transports like cramer's favors american air and delta. when you see this kind of action where the losers become the leaders, it's clear that -- between non-airline transports. of course it's not just these sectors fueling the rally, but actual revenues we're witnessing despite the pundits who really do know nothing. remember that rap about all we ever see is a better bottom line.
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well, we have more earnings reports in the last 24 hours that put a light on that. i mentioned harley, and netflix, how about united technology, especially in aerospace and nonresidential construction. hall i burton gave you regardingable sales growth. they join a parade of other countries, chipotle, wells fargo, general electric, alcoa. now that we've had a big run from the bottom, some came on the air and said they were scared out of their wits. wow, that's a real thing to share with us. call that too much information. it's important to remember this rally happened on the back of skeptics worldwide. ukraine crisis, falling japanese and chinese economies, misses by google and ibm, keep think travails in mind next time we take a drubbing, because they'd be back telling you how
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terrified they are and you should be, too. they make good copy, as i they used to say when i was in that newspaper remark. there have been whole sectors left out of the rocket when leaders -- when you get her where it didn't exists, it doesn't go away after a day. it tends to stay a bit. here's the bottom line. even though you might have missed the bottom, you still have whole sectors way down from their highs with plenty of opportunities for you left to come. i need to go to rodeka in california. >> caller: hello, mr. cramer. i want to thank you for taking my call and everything you do. >> you're quite welcome. >> i'm interested in yelp. since i bought it, i lost over 20%. >> yelp is a high flyer. that's just what happens. they -- if you own a hotel like
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i do, they sent you out this thing that basically you'll get a lot for free. a lot of people panicked. it was just a regular promotion. i think they remain the yellow pages for the internet. i think yelp is making a comeback. i want you to own it. i think it's an important new tool. and i'm going to donna in texas. >> caller: hi, jim. today my stock is eagle rock energy partners. earlier this month they were hit with a lawsuit for not shopping that i midstream business harder. now, as a shareholder, what's my best move now? >> you know, i think that yield is unsustainable. i always say this in "get rich carefully" when i see a yield way out of line, i always say, whoa, there's got to be something wrong. i've got to tell you without knowledge directly from the company, i say that is too dicey for me.
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john in california, john? >> caller: hello, jim. thank you so much from the beautiful sacramento valley. >> yeah. my old stomping grounds. >> caller: we're out here. >> thank you for that. >> caller: you're the oracle of the oppressed. what can i say? >> thank you. me and the cavemen got our feet wet with akba. before we jumped in full swing, i want let me check with jim and see what he thinks. one of the big brokerage houses said it was going to boom. >> no, they all did. of the ones that have come public during this period, this aneedia vascular disease compounds seem to be very good. a lot of these stocks got crushed. i think they'll make a come back. this one is a keacher. i don't feel that way about a lot of the other companies that have come publicent john, thank you for the kind comments.
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sacramento rocks. okay. the bottom, have you missed it? there are whole sectors way off their highs the take heart. up next, i've got the moss controversial stocks on the street. you know i'm not here to make friends. i care about which one can make you money. a big deal today has got me steamed. i'll tell you about it later. stay with cramer. coming up, bright horizons? the american energy revolution has ignited shares of halliburton this year, pushing shares up 20%, but is the stock primed to rice even higher after better than expected earns? find out in an exclusive, fresh after the report. and later, while american energy has been kind to hall burter, kinder morgan has run into a bottleincrease in 2014. can a restructure turn the stock around? stay tuned to find out.
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all coming up on "mad money."
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ordinarily i love mergers and acquisitions. takeovers are a positive sign. they're bullish. i constantly tell you i wish we had more of them, but i don't want valeant to be able to buy allergan. bill ackman, best known as the man who wants to burn herbalife to the ground, are rating one of my companiessh that catapulted allergan stocks. you want another $21 puff 65 or
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15% today. every day i say this shot is about making money, and allergan is giving you a still hear return, in part because of the this takeover bid and in part by ackman buying ahead of it, but the mild-mannered but brilliant ceo and his team have put together a pharmaceutical powerhouse. even if it's frequently dismissed as the botox company as if it's some sort of, in truth allergan has built amazing franchises in eye care, migraine headaches, incontinence, even sweat glands, by spending a huge amount of its revenue, you have to 16% on research, far more than all of the old-line pharmas, and much more like a biotech. allergan is known as a research machine. that's not the only reason i like this company. do you know when it was trading as almost half of its current price, piatt came on the show
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and made an impassioned plea like you to buy the stock. it wasn't self-promotion. he made his peace, his plea, because a bunch of analysts had questioned whether there would be a challenge to a key eye care drug. the analyst committee had almost completely turned against him, but i told you to go all in, which would have doubled if you bought it back then. i think it took serious courage and guts for him to come on and say that so many analysts were dead wrong about his company and told you not to worry about the patent problem, even as the deck seemed totally stacked against allergan at the time. how two rapacious forces have entered the fray and valeant, a company that consequence assistantly needs to do deals in order to maintain its high growth rate. i think they're trying to steal
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this one. i'm all in favor of shareholders making money, but the chief reasons for thickover are sine gistic. first to similar the r&d budget which has created so much value for allergan. of course that means firing people. and valeant is overseas, so it's less tax consequences. the deal made a lot of sense. the dermal filler for the lower half of the face and complements allergan's botox for the upper part. you can immediately fire all the salespeople for the two companies if you combine them. it was dovetail with many relationships. more firings, more profits. the bottom line is i think piatt deserves better. i hope this great company isn't dismantl
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dismantled, but with the team, i have to believe that's precisely what will happen. joe in connecticut, joe? >> caller: boo-yah, jim. specifically with clients addicted to opiate-based painkillers. i want your take on ptie, who develops abuse resistant forms of pain management drugs. first, dodds this an area worthy of investing, and second do you see this as a company that could le acquired down the road. >> i have looked at these guys it's a small-cap stock. i've got to do more, someone on twitter is constantly pushing this stock. when it comes to pain technologies, i go to richard pops, i think he knows more about pain medicine it's domiciled in ire run. richard nods what he's doing. rose in my old home state of pennsylvania, rose.
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>> caller: yeah, hi, jim, i'm calling about halo biotech. i traded the stock over the past two years and recently it's had an enormous hit down probably like 60%. you did warn of the frost of the stock and the whole sector. there's something specific to that stock when i think the fda pulling it also added to it, but with the recent pullback, is this a buys opportunity, or is there something more to it? >> remember, i like the ones that have a big product profile, lie a gilead. this one had this one really important drug, and the fda said no, that was an fda roulette play, rose. we don't like fda roulette. i'm not going there and say good things. i'm sorry. this bun ain't no gilead. david piatt deserves better,
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so does the company. now, don't go anywhere, we're getting to the bottom of a -- if you don't know the company, i guarantee your kids will. stick around. coming up. controlled controversy? gamestop has lost more than a quarter of its value since the highs of 2013. recently the retailers has been racking up points and putting toe a rally. the efforts to buy into new business finally paid off. ally .
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it's time to address one of the most controversial battleground ground stocks out there, gamestop. with roughly 4300 stores in the united states, 2200 more overseas. for most of last year gamestop roared higher in anticipation of a new console launches from sony, microsoft, the ps 1. gamestop started -- and then lost nearly 20% of its value in a single day after releasing truly disappointing guidance. since then, though, it's been working its way back up, it rallied to $1.30 in response to the analyst day. however there's still a ton of people investing against it. the shorts alone could be a
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rocket fuel, but what if the shorts are right? gamestop does have a clean balance sheet. you would think that would be enough protection, but here as the rub. many of the short sellers are betting it could be on its way to become obsolete. video games can simply be downloaded directly. in fact sony is testing a service similar to netflix that doesn't really to pinchally defuse the threat. so on the one end a brand-new spanking video fame historically that's been very good news, but on the other hand you have a whole lost of bears saying this video game cycle will be different as more people stop buying physical copies of game and start downloading them.
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let's look at the ceo. mr. rains welcome back. >> great to be back with us. >> last time on the show it sounded pretty darn good. november 21st, you cut the forecast, and then cut the forecast again. it's my show, my name. i looked bad, i don't like looking bad, but i believed. what can i do wrong? >> jim, we do everything we can to support our shareholdersings but we comped 10% in our holiday business, but the issue is we did such a good job of selling thor xbox 1s and playstation 4s, it mixed into hardware, and that p ultimate pressure on the profitable. that holiday release we guided down. but then for '14 we have a double-digits earns per share growth and we believe we're on
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track, as well as launching of some of the new technology brands. we think the market has had a misunderstanding of where we're at. >> okay. my head where are and also by way, my nephew wrote this to me in preparation for this interview. he said i dug out my old playstate 2. pretty much every game can be downloaded. shorter if you have a faster connection. the same for computer games. i have to wonder if gamestop may be the modern equivalent of tower records post-itunes. what do you say? >> we've heard that before, right, jim? 730 million of digital sales last year. as you know we've had talked about that, we are the leading seller of digital content. the downloads, we sell full-game downloads as well, but the consumer simply isn't there. if you buy something at gamestop
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you can bring in an old tablet phone or game to pay for it. we make gaming cheaper, we give you power upwards and we have 27 million members around the united states. those folks love to buy their games. when the consumer is ready, we're the leader in selling digital content in store. they're not quite there yet. >> you understand the worry. >> sure. >> i used to shop in record stores. then i gotivity tunes. i used to rent movies at blockbuster, and then got comcast digital video, you know, demand. >> video games are very, very large files, and they're interactive games. it's not a one-way download. but i will tell you there are consumers today buying downlows. our point is not that there won't be downloads, it's that's we're serving the customer. the market share is at a record level, jim, both downline and in
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store and we have mass i have been market share of these consoles. so we feel like the market share, our able to drive loyalty and trade credits give us a t. rowe reason for consumers to shop with us. >> how about walmart trying to get into this business of return? >> sure. walmart entered the buy/sell/trade business a few weeks ago. of course we already complete with a lot of big box player and online. we think it's good for the category. anytime you see a big player create the space, it carats awareness, and helps consumer understand the great value proposition, and of course we have the best experience in story, so customers will continue to come to gamestopping. so we think it's good for the category. in your presentation today, it made me almost feel like we have
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to hedge or bets in case they're right people will not go to our stores. >> listen, we found, jim, that we have some interesting adjacent sills, we put out a positions that gamestop is a family of special retailers that make your keck knowledge affordable and simple. we're in the business with simple mac, we're in the retailer with spring mobile. candidly those are tubes to leverage or buy/sell there dre. those.scould be up to 27%, because id a great opportunity for us. >> paul, thank actual. i understand that people who bought stock back you came on got hurt, so we've got to answer to that. >> we're not backing off on the plan and still biking back shares and have a great dividend
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as well, and expect a great year. >> thank you so much, paul. that's paul rains, ceo of gamestop. do your homework, makes your decisions. stay with cramer. with cramer. the more you know.
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let me gill you one word -- earnings. take halliburton, the oil service titan. i read about it in "get rich carefully." just yesterday halliburton reported and the company totally knocked it out of the park. you might not have realized how amazing this quarter was. as hall beat the earnings estimate by a penny, with significantly higher than expected revenues, that rose 5.4%. the real keep here was the change in tone when it comes to halliburton's north american guidance. for the past two quarters there have been too much capacity, but now management sees that capacity tightening at a faster than expected rate, forecasting stronger utility and greater intensi intensity. which will lead to higher revenues and wider margins, hence how the company believes
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it can growled shares at a 25% clip this year. what else? halliburton is the king of fracking, the drilling method that's behind the incredible revolution, because it unlox huge vowels of previously inaccessible or uneconomical crude. it looks like pricing in the domestic fracking business is about to get very strong. throw in some contract wins, and this company has a lot going for it. hall burting has had a nearly 12% gain, but jim brown down in louisiana about a month and a half ago, stock up 62%, but it still sells for just 12.5 times its earnings. that's why i am so thrilled to check in with david la czar. he's hag burton's president to talk about the quarter and where the company is headed for the first time since 2006. welcome back to "mad money." >> thank you, jim.
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i'm glad to be here. >> this was the quarter that many had been expecting. you tell our audience what it means. i said i'm starting to feel the turn when it comes to north america. what does that mean? >> exactly what it sounds like. we're feeling a great market coming at us. not only will it be a great market for the u.s., a job creator, wonderful for the u.s. -- helps us increase or energy security, but it's also great news for halliburton. it allows us to create great jobs, spend money here in the u.s., and most importantly earn more money and return that cash to shareholders. >> 67% dividend increase, gigantic buyback, as a percentage probably one of the most i have seen. this is obviously not a short-term statement, you're spending too much capital here. >> no, i don't think we're spending too much capital.
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we're spending the right amount in the market as we see it, but we also have a strategy of focusing on being the highest return company among or peers in the industry. i think we have been really good in executing that strategy. i think ultimately the market is going to recognize that fact. we also believe that one of the outcomes of higher earnings is the necessity of returning some of those earnings to our shareholders. as you said we bought back about 11% of the company, and at the same time continue to push or dividend up. >> there's a moment in the conference call that i think all of americans will be proud of, when you have had that your company actually knows how to find and hire people. there is that kind of shortage in america for good workers, isn't there? >> absolutely. if you look at our hiring last year with hired 17,500 people across or organization. 8,200 of those in the u.s.
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if you take our rate that we're on right now for 2014, we're on track to hire 18,500 people in our organization this year at almost the,000 of those in the u.s. i'm telling you, jim. these are bray entry-level jobs, a kid with a high school education, working a little overtime, can start at 74,000, 75,000 a year. within two our three years be making over 100 grand a year. there's not a lot of industries that are creating those kinds of opportunities. >> dave, there is not just in north dakota, right? this is texas, louisiana, a lot of areas around the country that people don't enrealize we're finding otherwise? >> this is the northeast and the marcellus, in texas in the eagleford. a big missed story is the permian basin, an 80-year-old oil field people thought was dead. right now it's the fastest
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growing oil market. wet find enough people to go out there right now. we would be remiss to talk about you think mexico is about to be big. you were very bullish will the prospects for mexico in the conference call. >> yeah, and we are excited about mix ko. we've had a good long-term market in mexico, but the switch by our customer do you there from buying products on an individual basis to buys them on a bundled basis will be fantastic for us. just last year we won over $3 billion of bundled contracts. the retch from those should start to flow sometimes at the back half of this year. >> that's terrific. i know people just take it for granted now, but the sushian business was much bigger than i expected. >> yes, it grew 50% over where it was a year ago, and will only
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get bigger, as is all of our operations. very strong growth rates for us, but clearly led by saudi arabia right now. >> let me go back to that perm onit's driving me crazy. we're goods to the permian. why do people not realize this may be one of the largest finds still in the world? >> as i said earlier, this is an oil field that's been in existence of being drilled for 80 years, but the application of new technologies, horizontal drilling, hydraulic fracturing, some of the new technology we bring with our cipher product are just basically opening up oil that people knew was there, but could not get to it with the neck that existed ten years ago. hence the basin was dead, as i've said earlier, is the
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fastest growing oil mark, faster that is the fwufl of mexico, the marcellus, the nigh brara. nigh obrara, it's just kicking them all. >> your technology is proprietary? the reason why you're winning contracts is just because you have the best constitution. >> viewly. we spent a lot of our ups in three key tailsn areas. one is to become less visible, because that's an increasing growing part of the oil field coexisting with larger population centers, things like that in the u.s. customized chemistry. we have a lot of proprietary chemistry that really helps or customers get more oil from a wale than they could in the past. then a product that we are really excited about. we call it the cipher software.
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this is an artificial intelligence-enabled soft way, which them them term how to drill the well, complete it appeared max mize production. we have a lot of great new technology coming down the pipeline, most of it developed right here in the u.s. >> dave, thank you for coming on and sharing. we've been behind your stock all the way, and it's been a remarkable performer. thank you for coming on the show. halliburton's president and chairman and ceo. great to talk with you. >> thank you, jim. hank you, jim. at your ford dealer think? they think about tires. and what they've been through lately. polar vortexes, road construction, and gaping potholes. so with all that behind you, you might want to make sure you're safe and in control.
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it is time. it is time for the lightning round. they give me a stock and i say whether to buy buy buy or sell sell sell, and are you ready skee-daddy? let's start with dan in ohio. dan? >> caller: boo-yah, jim from the buckeye state in cleveland, ohio. >> we're loving cleveland here. what's up? >> caller: how do you feel about solar city? >> solar city is okay. i actually like their business
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myole. i like sunedison and first solar. first solar has different technology. i'm saying thumbs up. you've got a three-fer. mike in del away. >> caller: boo-yah, jim. i love your show. >> thank you very much. >> caller: can i good et your pin on p built f? >> they're refiners, that enterprise product is doing an ethane cracker done there u. just extraordinary. i like the refiners, but you'll have a drop-dead point where they'll announce the earns in the first week in may, and then you have to sell. my favorite is valero. i'm going to price in virginia. price? >> hey, just, first time/long time from glen alan, virginia. i'd like to give a shoutout for my buddy brian for letting me borrow the book. >> i love brian. >> caller: thank you for nc -- what do you think of ncw
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compared to middleby, which is very similar. i've made a lot of money on both. >> many, they're both good. ntw, i have to tell you that is a "get rich carefully split upsituation. i'm going to say i like both of them. sal le in minnesota. >> caller: i'm a stick with cramer fan. i'd like to know was stratus, chsk terrific last year, and this year not so much. >> it's a momentum stock. people do not like them. it's the best of the 3-d names if you have to be in a 3-d company, actual be stratus. i'm a seller of ddd. i understand stratus is on a bounce, but not more than that. and that, ladies and gentlemen, is the conclusion of "the lightning round." what if a smaly became big business overnight? ♪ like, really big... then expanded? ♪ or their new product tanked?
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ever since interest rates first really surged higher about a year ago, one of my absolute favorite stocks, kinder kmp for you home gamers has been hammered. tens of thousands of miles many pipe for all oil, gas, and refined products, carbon dioxide. now, you know we're experiencing oil and gas renaissance in this country, and regular viewers know the more oil we produce, the more pipeline capacity we need to take it from the wells which are obvious in the middle of nowhere.
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so it's no wind wonder that kind are morgan has a backlog of projects to fuel the company's growth for a year to come. until about a it was being treated by a punching bag. in other words, people have been owning stocks like kinder morgan, so when bondees started rebounding last year, a lot of investors began to sell them ham over fist. however, noise it's liking like they may have bottomed roughly a month ago. even after that moss it forts a gargantuan yield. coming in at 1.55 a share, sick cents beat. can this stock regain its lost -- really the old luster? let's take a closer look with mr. kinder.
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welcome back to "mad money." >> thank you, jim. good to be here. >> there are people saying not enough value these days is being unlocked by your company, it's gotten too big and kinder morgan can no longer give us the growth we've been used to over the fabulous last 17 years, what do you say to the critics that say better days behind them? >> i look at the long run, jim. i think in the long run, markets are very stable and very predictable. in the short run, they can be very erratic. what we have is a tremendous growth platform. as you said, we have a $16 billion plus backlog of projects we'll be bringing online over the next three to four years. we have a tremendous position, particularly on the natural gas side. you know, natural gas is going to grow from a little over 70 bcf a day today to about 95 bcf a day within the next ten years. if you read wood mckenzie's new
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outlook, and that's pretty typical. i tried to stress it, but i guess i'm not that good a communicator. we signed new long-term contracts averaging 15 years in duration for 2.8 billion cubic feet a day on the tennessee and el paso natural gas system. so we're blowing and going. we think we have lots of room for growth left. >> let's go over that. again i think we're on the same page, rich. i've. the underperformance has mystified me. you've gotten good growth. people have been favors enterprise, which doesn't necessarily have the good yield like you do. but they have a lower cost of capital. is it a problem to have a higher cost of capital in this business ands should we be worried because you have $5 billion in floating debt. i'm looking for the explanation i can't find. why people are buying others
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that i think aren't good as yours. >> i would never comment on a different company the we think we have a great platform. i don't have the explanation why people over the last six, eight months have not been buying us, but i think part of it is the feel we're too big to grow. if you put our enter price value it's a little over $100 billion, and people say they could keep growing. we've repeatedly said we're going to raise our distribution by at least 5% and we've said at kmi be at least 8%. truthfully we're doing a little better than our budget at this point, and we would hope to do better than that, but if you look at that. kmp we have a yield of 7%, a little over. if you can get 5% growth, you have a nice return at kmi. we've got 8% growth and a 5% yield. so we think we're a compelling story and we've reaffirmed our
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guidance for the year. furthermost we said if you use 13 for a base year for the next three years, we will average 5% growth at kmp and 8% compound growth at kmi. to me as a simple old pipeliners those are pretty good figures. i own 23% of the company and i'm very happy. as you know, i've bought more over the last few months. >> one last question on just trying to get at -- i know it sounds like i'm the devil's advocate. do you feel you have enough coverage. a couple quarters we do not necessarily have as much coverage as other companies in user industry. >> i think it depends on the mix of assets. we will always cover or distribution and then some. in fact this year our coverage is running very strong, as you know, in the first quarter, and first quarter is always strong for us, but we had $75 million of coverage, or as you put it,
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we had $1.55 of distributed cash flow for per unit. so we will have excess coverage. i think that a company as big as we are, with as diverse set of assets as we have frankly doesn't need to have as much coverage as somebody does that has more commodity exposure, more risk and much smaller operation. so we are very comfortable with our level of coverage, and it will always be in excess of 1. >> rich, i am too. i find it mystifying. to me i've been saying on this show, it's just such a buy. everything you told me just verifies that. i want to thank you, rich kinder, for coming back on p.m. l "mad money." >> thanks, jim. always a pleasure to be with you. kinder morgan's chairman and ceo. is it done as well as enter price? no, as well as some other? no, is it less expensive? i think it is. is the growth and coverage
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man, john sit live, manager of emergency services who saved my life today in a breakdown. wow, could have gone the right way. thank you, john. there's always a bull market somewhere. i'm jim cramer. i will see you tomorrow. >> tonight, on the profit, key west key lime pie company, a pie company nationally recognized for their award-winning desserts, run by a temperamental owner... who micromanages his selfless employees. >> i call bull[bleep] to that. is there anybody that does anything competent down in the florida keys? >> with resources stretched thin at multiple locations... >> you want me to order it even though there may or may not be enough money to pay for it? >> don't worry about that. >> u.s. key lime pie company has failed to make a profit on $1.4 million in sales. if i can't get this owner to focus on his core business of pies... if we don't make, we don't sell it--end of discussion. this business will crumble. >> i really don't want to filmed during this. i really don't. >> my name is marcus lemonis,

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