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interrupted by someone, i'm glad it was tony blair, obviously a very important and influential man. a bit of a battle of the accents there for a second but what's coming up tomorrow? >> sorry about interrupting you, mandy. tony blair literally comes in and sits down. that's how we roll. former former ceo of bear stear stearns. lots more coming up tomorrow on "street signs." >> welcome to the "closing bell." i'm kelly evans here at the new york stock exchange where we started with a morning rally, bill. i understand friday wasn't that great of a trading session. that's disappeared and dow up only 20 minutes. >> welcome back. >> thank you. >> and later a powerpoint presentation of the slides from her vacation we we're all looking forward to. >> no one looks forward to those. >> i'm bill griffith, by the way, the dow is holding up better than the other major averages. once again it's the nasdaq
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that's dragging the market lower, the so-called momentum stocks that saw so much selling in february. seeing it again. the amazons, the netflixes, the pandoras, tes larks you name it. they are heading lower today. >> yeah. the question still becomes is there something bigger going on here, or is it just about the individual stories? speaking of which, after the bell, it may be the battleground stock, creating more disagreements among investors than almost any over. talking about herbalife, reporting earnings after the bell. results and analysis when it hits. shares today up 2.5%. >> and the heat being turned up on los angeles clippers owner donald sterling. several sponsors now have dropped his team after alleged racist comments were made public this weekend. will he be forced to sell the franchise eventually? we'll be speaking exclusively to
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legendary attorney bob bennett. one of the great power players in washington history. he represented president clinton. he also represented the late marge schott when baseball forced her out as the owner of the cincinnati reds years ago after she was accused of racism. it will be very interesting to hear how mr. bennett feels this will all come to an end a little bit later. >> that's right. >> let's show you the markets, shall we. >> as we mentioned, the dow is up, bill, 23 points. this is index that still hasn't reclined its high, december 31st the end of last year is when he had the close high. had an intraday high. >> like a team that can't hold the lead. up 100 points on the open, and we see where it is right now. nasdaq, that's the big loser today. momentum stocks to blame. >> once again, the story there hasn't changed, it seems, in the last couple of weeks and the s&p 500 index, off two points to 1861, and we're looking at a
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more defensive tone to this market as we enter the final hour. >> a lot to talk about with our closing bell exchange. peter, give us some of the hits, runs and the errors here today. >> yes. >> once again the dow is higher on the open and then it fades into the afternoon. >> well, you know what i think? we're at a point in the market where i think it might be a little tired, so you know what? we had a decent rally this morning, you know, with the housing numbers, and i think after that ran out of steam there was some talk about, you know, some actions in the ukraine that might have precipitated the selloff, but i think it's more about, you know, the more it gets tired. not ilott of volume, even if the market is up a little bit, nothing is happening. >> doesn't it tell you something the way the market is holding in
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here, not to mention the geopolitics of all of it and the data this morning on existing houses was good. >> the data was god, but i agree with peter. the market acts kind of tired. it's been trying to go through, you know, conflicting information. i don't think the earnings numbers have been that great. i think everybody has been waiting for a rise in interest rates, and that's not happened yet, and i think there's a frustration setting in there and we continue to churn sideways without doing much of anything. >> you think fed tapering is having an impact here, don't you? >> i do, i do, and, as a matter of fact, i like to liken it to a training wheel kind of an economy. the fed has been loud and clear about the fact that they will be tapering. like teaching your kid how to ride a bike. put the training wheels on, let them know you'll talking the wheels of course, let the wheels
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come out and they they might fall a few times before they get up and go again. i think we're getting to a point where we need to stand on our own two feet. >> do you think we'll go through. >> i don't think so. as far as earnings seasons are concerned the projections and guidance have been very muted, low and uninviting. a few outliers but for the most part nothing really to drive this. i think most will come lieu in the second quarter where we'll start to see the wheels really come off and companies starting to really stand on their own two feet. >> todd, what do you make of financials here, the fact that bank of america is down or does it tell you about the strength of these institutions and their ability to return capital.
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>> i think you're seeing a classic rotation and place here in the equity market. starting to see investors tilt towards values and materials and energy and telling away from the high flyers and high valuation and small caps. you're seeing it take place. it's a rotation that we like and are in front of. >> joe, i think you agree with renee that we'll so a pickup down the road. >> i think we are. so far this year markets have just been struggling to find any meaningful direction. of course, the economic data out of the first quarter was almost week and we'll see it translate into a very inspiring earnings number. having said that, seeing signs that the ice cube is thawing. things will puck up and now we have this continued text between russia and the ukraine weighing on investor minds and between now and year end data is going to accelerate and looking at
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russia we hope that the situation there will de-escalate. >> jim, this goes back to a point of how you made a point that your own research said pretty much everybody surveyed, you think you talked to five dozen guys on the street, every single person expects rates to go hour and that's been the case for months here as rates have consistently not going higher. >> 67 economists were surveyed at the beginning of april. look, everybody wants to buy a message. just short the bond market because everybody is concerned it's going up in price and down in yield. >> would you really? >> no, i think therein lies the problem. the pride has already happened. what do people say when they are all bearish? already sold. no more selling left, and that's why yields are not going lower anymore and all the talk of economic growth and everything else is not getting a rise in yield because that trade has
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already occurred. >> how doik a million dollars in commodity, you start with $2 million. >> ukraine, if that happened right now, there's still of thought who says. >> i would like to say no because i want to be on the opposite side of that. if you look at the companies that actually have involvement with russia and ukraine. u.s.-based companies, no a whole lot of them. there is pressure but if you look at the overall u.s. economy, it's part of it. it's a small mart of it. you look at the companies that do business with the ukraine and russia. their percentage of what they do with them is very small. >> i hate to interrupt, but the thinking goes like this. it's having a great impact on europe because. potential economic problems they could have fef they pull back, they being russia, on their
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energy supply to that continent and, they are, they are selling over there. >> if you look at it, we will be able to replace that the russians have been the more chances the more opportunities we can replace the natural gas and i'm they get from russia. if it's a slow process the european union will be okay but if it's a quick problem that's a different situation. i think the russians will be in this for the very, very long term, and that's where the benefit of the u.s. backing europe is going to be very important. >> before we go, renee, what are you buying? are you buying anything here? >> i'm really taking advantage of the a lot of the value-oriented stocks. dividend day paying issues are for proxy now and that makes a lot of sense to me and i also like a lot of cyber security
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issues and i like the strilts. joh johnson controls, one of the few outliers with extremely good earnings. >> theme of an improving economy. just need the ten-year to confirm it. >> thank you. >> good to see everybody. >> 50 minute left in the trading session. really is good to have you back. very nice. look at this. the markets are rallying, up 55 point right now. the dow was up 100. we turned negative and now we're headed higher again. >> coming up, bank of america getting clobbered. mentioned this briefly after stopping a stock buyback and shares down 6%, and how does this happen with regulators inside b of a's offices? one regulator will weigh in on that. he's not happy. >> who is happy about that. incredible how that happened. also ahead, pfizer, as we know, is offering nearly $100 billion
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to buy the uk's astrazeneca and one big reason, lower corporate tax flates britain. what does that say about our tax code when u.s. giants are willing to spend billions overseas for tax relief? we'll talk to the tax pros about fixing our tax code. >> and up next -- >> i don't see your views. i wasn't raised the way you were raised. >> well then, if you don't feel it, don't come do my games. don't bring black people and don't come. >> do you know that you have a whole team that's black that plays for you? plays for you? >> companies pulling the plugs on sponsorship to the los angeles clippers. will clippers owner donald sterling go the way of former cincinnati reds owner marge schott who was ousted from major league baseball after making racist remarks. >> famed attorney robert bennett is with us. he represented schott years ago. also represented president clinton during the monica lewinsky investigation. he'll speak with us excleesive
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♪ sleep train ♪ ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ welcome back. look at this market making a comeback late day here. the dow just a rea, up 100 points on the open this morning, and immediately started to see it fade. we were in negative territory about an hour ago, and now we're coming back again, and look at the nasdaq. that was down 1.4% for a time today. it's down just four points at this point. >> almost round trip. we'll keep an eye on that. we've had m & a news. tomorrow is turnaround tuesday. >> already happening right now. >> maybe we're borrowing from that this hour. the los angeles clippers have begun losing corporate sponsors due to some racist comments he's
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allegedly made. >> from main street to wall street, the talk all weekend. >> talk about a turnaround tuesday, the clippers and donald sterling may need one because the fallout continues over clippers owner donald sterling allegedly racially charged phone conversation released over the weekend by tmz and deadspin. take a listen to some of the highlights here. >> people call you and tell you that i have black people on my instagram and it bothers. >> you yeah, it bothers me a lot. if you want to broadcast that you're associating with black people. do you have to? >> now we are a business network so here's the businessage. sponsors are starting to pull out one by one. earlier today car max said they were ending their nine-year relationship sponsor with the clippers. virgin america also pulling the plug on their relationship as well. then you have state farm, kia saying they are pausing and suspending their relationship and the list is expected to grow. just recently, in the last few
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minutes here, others have come out and said they will suspend their sponsorship as well. that's the red bull brand. the nba is also announcing that the commissioner adam silver will hold a press conference tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern and the clippers head back to the staples center for game five and yesterday the team wore their uniforms, you can see them inside out and black socks and armbands to protest their owner's remarks, the warmup uniforms. everyone from president obama to nba greats like michael jordan, magic johnson, lebron james, have all weighed in on this, speaking out against sterling's alleged comments. this is silver's first big test since taking over as commissioner of the nba for david stern in february. a lot of moving parts right now, but we'll it be to monitor this story. obviously one that has everyone's attention. bill and kell, back to you. >> including our next guest. our next guest is uniquely qualified to comment on this situation. he has been for decades, and a
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member of the power elite in washington, d.c. he represented president clinton years ago, defense secretary cap weinberger in the early '90s, it was marge schott who owned baseball's cincinnati reds. she was accused of making racial comments at that time, and baseball eventually forced her to sell the team. mr. bennett represented her in that case as well. >> yes. joining us now is bob bennett. now a partner at hogan lovell's law firm and it's great to see you. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. glad to be here. >> so i guess the main question, considering the nba, what is at stake here, we can talk a little bit about what privacy laws that may involve and the divorce donald stearn is going to get through here. will he have to get rid of the team here? >> no, i don't think so. i don't think the commissioner would really have that power, and don't forget the other owners don't want to creed that
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power to the commissioner because they could find themselves in a situation. now, it may well be that the economic pressures by the withdrawal of sponsorships and so forth could cause a resolution where the team was sold. if you remember i believe that mr. sterling bought the clippers in the early '80s for something over $12 million. >> right. >> and it's now worth $700 million or 800 million, so i don't think a lot of pressure would have to be put on him to sell. >> and actually "forbes" has been out with an evaluation around $500 million. if you don't feel he would be forced to sell the team, which marge schott was forced to do eventually, it took a few years and it happened eventually in major league baseball, what about the reaction of nba
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players and former players over the weekend? magic johnson, kareem abdul-jabbar and on and on. kevin johnson, former great, now the mayor of sacramento called this a defining moment for the national basketball association. i mean, it is clear players are not going to settle for anything less than him getting the maximum penalty. what do you think that should be? >> well, you know, it's not for me to decide that, you know. i think initially there will be a fine and maybe a period of suspension. of course, it's pretty hard to fine somebody worth close to $2 billion, but i think there will be a lot of pressure behind the scenes for him to sell the team. >> and, you know, that's going to raise some questions as well about, you know, to what extent we're talking about somebody who is going through a difficult divorce. the way in which this recording
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came about in the first place. how relevant is that going to be to the way that this is played out, leaving the court of public opinion aside. was that a legal recording to make? and how is that process carried out? >> one of the problems is the commissioner is going to have to decide whether, first of all, this is an authentic tape. as i understand it, it came to light because of a defendant in a civil litigation matter against mr. sterling. secondly, depending on where it was record, and i believe it was california, it may be an illegal ly obtained tape so it would be hard for the commissioner to
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place the fine based on something like that. >> you know the toothpaste is already out of tube and the court public opinion has been heard. i mean, adam silver's hands are pretty well tied in that regard, aren't they? >> tied in one respect because they are not tied as to the penalty and that's, you know, it could be from "a" to "z," but i think what's going to happen, and i don't have a crystal ball, but having been involved in matters like this, there's going to be a tremendous amount of pressure to sell the team, to get -- to get him out, and you can be sure as we are talking, some of the other owners are going to be calling him and saying that he should take one for the team. >> you know, look, i grew up in los angeles. for decades the clippers were the doormats of l.a. behind -- in the shadow of the lakers,
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okay. now ironically they are a contender this year. what do you think is going through his mind? you knew marge schott very well. you represented her. she was sort of in denial for a while. she didn't want to sell that team by any means. do you think he's thinking the same thing, that he can get through this? i don't want you to psychoanalyze donald sterling, but what do you think he's going through if you can compare him to marge schott? >> well, i don't know if it's a fair comparison. i'm sure one of the things he's thinking is how can they do this to me when at the very same time the naacp is giving me an award. >> which they have now cancelled, by the way, but, still, he received an early award and, you know, he's likely to say, well, judge me by my actions, not by my words, and, you know, look.
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it was well known in basketball that he was inclined to say things like this, you know. there was a big justice department lawsuit against him, so, you know, it's like the old "casablanca" movie, you mean there's gambling here. >> i know this isn't relevant, but that's what's so troubling about this. you know, in cases like this, and it's come up with public officials over time as well, when an incident comes to light and everybody locks at each other and goes, yeah, you know, we're not surprised. i guess there's nothing anybody can do until there's that smoking gun, but it doesn't make it any easier for anybody to come to terms with it simply because it was known about him. that makes it even worse. >> well, you know, i don't disagree with that. it's a very of what penalties they will try to impose and how much opposition he will put up,
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and i think that you're going to see an amicable resolution of this because there's too much to be lost by everyone? >> yeah. >> but don't forget basketball has -- has to go through a certain due process procedure. >> right. >> or process to which it's due, and my guess is that basketball is going to want to get this resolved sooner rather than later, and a lot will depend on whether mr. sterling used all of the arrows to put them to the test. my guess is he will not. my guess is that everyone will realize that it makes sense to get this resolved and get it resolved quickly. >> commissioner silver has called a news conference for tomorrow before the next game between the warriors and the
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clippers, so presumably we'll get some sort of resolution at that time, maybe. we'll see. mr. bennett, a pleasure to have you. thank you for joining us today. >> my pleasure, thank you. >> and now back to markets. with 35 minutes to go to close in the dow, look at this. >> round turn. >> triple digits, a big chunk of that owed to pfizer on some big deal talk, and we eel talk about that. the s&p 500 is up about where to go. the nasdaq 5. the 100 billion pharmaceutical buyout in the works driven in part by lower corporate tax rates in the uk of all places. sort of ironic. will congress finally fix the tax code to stop that kind of financial maneuvering? we'll talk about that coming up. >> twitter talking about its stock ahead of earnings today. more on that when "closing bell" comes right back. [ male announcer ] this is the age of knowing what you're made of.
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welcome back. take a look at these two companies. uk-based at csonka is surging on pfizer ears $99 takeover offer >> eamon javers, tell us more about this story. >> critics today are calling this proposed deal outrageous because in the deal pfizer would be endajing in what's called a tax inversion. that's when one company buys a
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subsidiary overseas and inverts its corporate structure so the mother company is now a sub of the overseas company. that's what would happen under the deal. here's how pfizer laid it out this morning. pfizer saying the transaction, if consummated is expected to result in the combination of the two companies under a new uk-incorporated holding company. why is that important. well, taxes in the uk are lower corporate rise than they are here in the united states. pfizer's defenders argue that the fault here is simply in the u.s. tax coated and taxes in the united states are too high and forces companies overseas to engage in transactions like this. i spoke to pfizer earlier today saying they are seeking the most efficient tax struck two, the word they use for it, and have 28 days now where they have to figure out whether or not they are actually going to go forward with this astrazeneca deal. we can expect to see some more estimates from pfizer about what
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its tax savings will be once they decide to go further with the deal. >> eamon, thank you for now. let's talk more about the tax aspects of this deal because just how broke seine our tax code if it's causing one of our major american companies, like pfizer, bill, to effectively jump ship. >> joining us to talk about it, representative jack young, republican of indiana, and a member of the tax-writing house ways and means and jared bernstein, senior fellow on american budget policies. we've contacted several democratic congressmen who declined our invitation to appear today and jarred, you're an economist as well. >> right. >> do you blame a company like pfizer for wanting to do a deal like this if their corporate taxes in the united states are too high? you don't set tax policy in a vacuum. internationally it makes more sense to go overseas. >> it's a great question, and it's a fair question. i do think that this doesn't smell very good from the
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perspective of the average american or to me either because they are really renouncing their american citizenship to avoid -- to engage in tax avoidance, and i think that's wrong. on the other hand, the rationale is very clear. we do have a disfunctional international tax system, and if i were a congressman on the tax-writing committee i would try to do something about it. >> congressman young, what are you going to do about it? >> well, it's clear that mr. bernstein and myself agree on the need to fundamentally reform the system. our corporate tax rates are the highest in the industrialized world at 35%. we double tax profits that are earned overseas and our r & d treatment is adverse as compared to our international competitors, so i think we need to move forward on each of those fronts. >> we all know, to be clear, but there's been no action, a i'm sorry for every day that passes, every session of congress that passes, this -- you are seeing -- this is a major deal, a major u.s. company that is now doing this because you guys. >> indeed.
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>> have failed to get ahead of this issue so what are you going to do about it now? >> allow me to agree with you, perhaps with more stray densy than you put it forward. we need to in a bipartisan way to overhaul the tax code and need to find areas of agreement if we can't overhaul the code and bring down the corporate rate and improve how we treat overseas profits. let's deal with the r & d portion which we'll do in the ways and means committee tomorrow, we'll make that r & d credit more generous. >> do you think that's going to change pfizer's mind? >> no. >> do you think that will scrap the deal? >> absolutely no. we need to go far further and why i've been pushing and other members of the committee on the republican side to overhaul the entire code, not just the corporate side but for also for small and medium-sized businesses. i would estimate that mr. bernstein would agree on the need to do this. >> jarred, what would you do? >> look, i would -- i would very
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much pursue a broaden the base, lower the rate and the interesting thing is that the white house itself has put forth precisely such a plan the congressman says he's in favor of such a plan. i think a lot of people are walking around on a day like this and very much share the urgency of the voices of everyone in this segment, walking around and scratching their heads and saying why aren't we doing something about this? international taxation is a huge problem, and we have to coordinate our actions with our countries to really tamp down. >> that will make it quick if we're coordinating with other countries. >> there's nothing else to do. >> that's a fair point, but i do think, and let's be clear about this, fooirpfizer is engaging i legal tax avoidance given the code and understandable and if congress is not working on fixing this international problem, then they are simply not focusing on what's important for american competitiveness. >> this is a year divisible by two.
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are you really it'sbly going to be able to do tax reform in an election year? >> i think we're doing our part on the ways and means committee putting forth a tax plan that will attract more investment and disincentivize this inversion. we believe you need tax relief not just for the largest corporations headquartered here in america but also for small and medium-sized businesses and that's where myself and mr. bernstein disagree. >> congressman, you have 28 days. >> quickly. >> we've got to go. >> i'll be very quick. congressman, i understand that we can find areas of disagreement, that's easy. we've shown we're good at that. let's sit down with both sides and find areas of agreement because this situation is very urgent. >> well, if you go and solve the easy problems early, which is the corporate rate, and it is easier as compared to the individual rate paid by smaller
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businesses you forgo an opportunity to provide relief to families and small and medium-sized businesses, and i think you know that. >> sounds like a recipe for gridlock. >> there's got to be a way to make some headway to avoid this happening any further. we'll leave it there. thank you very much. >> thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> meantime, dow is holding on neither highs of the day. this has been incredible. what a day. >> what an hour. >> and on a monday. the dow up 106 points and back to the highs of the session that we set on the open this morning. the nasdaq, which was down 1.4%, maybe a little more than that at its low of the session and now positive. >> we'll see if it can hold on. 25 minutes to go, and bake of america putting the kibosh on a stock buyback and dividend increase, one of the stocks weighing on the market all because of a mistake made during the fed stress test process. how this all happened and who should take the break coming up. >> after the break, why brooks
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an eventful volatile day on wall street. a 100-point gain on the open this morning faded fast. negative for a time and now we're back up 100 points. the nasdaq has erased a 1.4% deficit. back up seven points at this hour. crazy day. >> if you're wondering that rascal pfizer is one of the reasons the dow is doing so well, up 4%, a big move for that. what else is moving markets today is this. >> the small-cap stocks bouncing off their 200-day average. apple continues to move higher after its earnings report, stock hitting levels it hasn't seen since december of 2012. ibm, big blue, one of the dow's
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biggest gainers on news it will launch its own cloud market players to bridge the gap between the cloudy service and existing customers. a tough day for so-called momentum stocks though they came off their lows, priceline, netfl netflix, amazon at session lows. and a planned increase in its income after miscalculating certain securities obtained through the acquisition of merrill lynch back in 2009. a generally very volatile day for stocks. >> when berkshire hathaway shareholders attend the meetings this weekend they won't be running any old sneaker. >> this limited edition sneaker is available exclusively at the meeting which comes up this weekend, by the way, on the insole, you guessed it, a picture of warren buffett himself. >> and they say no one tramples on him.
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tomorrow so hang around with us throughout the day and see all 25. >> the lineup is incredible. >> of course it is. kind of need to be a part of it. >> 15 minutes to go on the close and the dow holding up 112 point. the s&p 500, the broad index up 10 and the nasdaq has turned around from sharp losses to down around 7 points. >> what to expect from two giants posting results tomorrow. ebay and twitter. that's coming up after the break. >> plus, killer tornadoes are slamming several states. the latest developments are coming up in the next however the show. keep it right here. t right here. it's what you love about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity.
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♪ honestly ♪ i wanna see you be brave welcome back. another week, another fleury of earnings here. >> seema mody is previewing two of the heavy hitters reporting tomorrow, ebay and twitter. seema. >> that's right. bill, let's start with twitter. analysts estimating revenue of $240 million. analysts say the key metric will be user growth, specifically monthly active users. can this number beat expectations and support the still lofty multiple which the company trades at? twitter's earnings report comes ahead of the company's first major stock lockup expiration on may 5 when roughly 500 million shares will be eligible for sale. now on to ebay set to report q1
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earnings reporting earnings of 67 cents share of revenue of $4.2 billion which would be a 13% jump year over year. the boost expected to come from the e-commerce and payments business. kelly and bill. >> and that stock, too, such a battleground. we'll be talking about some of the battle grounds when herbalife stock reports after the close. >> pulling back a little bit from the highs of the day but the dow a healthy gain of 107 points and the nasdaq a victory of sorts, just being positive, any positive close right now. >> the ten-year still exactly where it was when i left. nothing will move this thing. incredible. >> yeah. >> we're going to go live to arkansas coming up. gotten an update on the deadly tornadoes that are sweeping across several states, doing a tremendous amount of damage. we'll be right back. be right ba. peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business.
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the traders are glad kelly is back. we've got eight minutes left. the dow is up 105. joining us is sam stoval from capital iq. depending on who you ask, we've had a lackluster season or it's been better than expected
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because we keep beating expectations. >> actually they are improving. s&p capital iq numbers are showing a 1.1% increase in this first quarter. we were down as far as a minus 1.2, and now we're seeing technology, industrials, health care back in positive care try, so i would tend to say that, you know, maybe give credit to today's action on the earnings. >> for all of the work that it seems to take to achieve the growth. all it takes one movement back or forgot to move the market on a time. >> well, i think because the most uncertain factor in the whole fact is what is boutin going to do and what's the response globally as a result of that, so i would say if he moves back to the border he'd have another round of uncertainty and downward moves in the market. >> and earnings still to come. we're halfway through. where are we? >> about halfway through right now. the expectation for the full year came down and then went
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back up. it's now a little bit above 7% for the full year, and we're expecting to see revenue growth of about 3.8 for the first half and then 4.4 for the second half of this year, so good earnings and revenue numbers. >> yeah. if we hit those numbers, especially on the revenue side. we know the pattern is typically look out to the second half of the year and everything looks rosie and as it approaches you mark everything down and you beat the lower bar. >> and then like wait until next year. >> sounds like the brooklyn dodgers. >> exactly. >> if that's what we've been doing the last couple of years and the market has been doing exceptionally well. the beginning of the year we're looking out four to five quarters and feeling fairly optimistic. now we have that uncertain period heading into the mid-term elections and usually the best three quarters in the 16-quarter presidential cycle is immediately thereafter. >> comprehensive tax reform on the way, too. >> within 28 days, bill, i'm
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sure of it. >> thank you, sam. >> thank you so much. >> we'll come back with the closing countdown in just a moment as well. >> after the bell, bank of america shares are taking a big hit today. that's the nasdaq, off 5% to 6%, suspending a planned dividend hike and the stock buyback over a mistake made during the fed's stress test process. process. be right back. you're watching cnbc, first in business worldwide. >> back to the floor we go. flo. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle, see how much you could save.
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coming up on the last two minutes and a craze day on wall street. this is the definition of a round turn. that 100-point rally on the open this morning kind of gaining back what we lost on friday and then it immediately sold. we were down for a time today and then gave it back. up about 87 points off the highs right now. more stark with the nasdaq because for a time today after that little rally on the open we were down 1.4% at the lows of the session before turning positive briefly for the time so a crazy day. herbalife reports after the bell tonight. been a lightning rod for controversy for the past year. up 1.6% ahead of those earnings reports coming out and bob pisani. you're looking at ibm? >> well, new tech versus old tech. two twitter down and pandora
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down. ibm up 1.9%. a big reason why there's such a big move up in the dow. there's 28 points for that. >> a big blue rally today. >> that's right. a nice rally late in the day. last hour and a half, there were reports out there that russia moved troops back to their barracks after supposedly the ukraine promised not to use force, so you can see little influences that the ukraine has, very hard to figure out the effects on the market and every once in a while you get a headline and suddenly the market moves on that. still obviously and influence and nice that we bounced because 1:30 it looked like we were heading down pretty severely. >> another day where the market was unable to hold on to a rally. we remember that the morning session is largely influenced by international traders, and then we're left to our own devices the rest of the day. >> and pending home sales very good. >> expecting 1%, had better than 3% gains.
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and that really helped overall in the morning. >> so you later, going out with a gain after a very volatile day. big earningsnous coming out tomorrow morning from ebay and twitter. herbalife coming up in just a morning. hour number two. she's back. kelly evans and company coming your way right now. see you tomorrow, kelly. >> thank you, bill. welcome to the "closing bell," everybody. it's 4:00 here. we're taking a look at how we finished up the day on wall street. the dow jones industrial average staging a pretty nice comeback but not holding on to the highs of the session. looking at 86 points, helped in pfizer in particular. the s&p 500 adding 6 for the broad market, and the nasdaq which was all over the place today, down as much as 1.5%, closing slightly negative. losing about a point, 40.74 is the level there. noing joining me now our guests.
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couple to all of you. i don't even know where to begin. at least there was merger monday news. how much animal spirits do you think that is going town leash into the markets? >> saw the animal spirits at the open of the market, news not only from pfizer but the comcast charter deal for the 3.the million subscribers providing a lift underneath the market. really the technicals midday that caused a bit of a breakdown and resurgence of optimism going into the close which is what carried us through to the end but the merger monday stuff, i mean, it was big but not enough to sustain the rally throughout the day. >> art cashin was drawing attention to key levels, and it was interesting because the narrative seemed to change. this has been the case now for weeks, right? every half hour it seems like people are writing the story for the day to tear it up having to go to something new. what do you make of the market overall here though? a sign of weakness or strength? >> yeah. it really depends on the moment, doesn't it? but we've got geopolitical concerns and that news is coming in realtime and that's affecting
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investment managers and investors in how they want to address this market. plus you've got earnings and a transforming fed and you've got some real big numbers coming up this week so i think that's what's driving it. >> i want to ask you about the fed in particular. got to talk about what's happening along the border with ukraine. as much as we want to focus on earnings and the fed meeting. the market is sensitive to every foot and meter that troops seem to be approaching or withdrawing. we know they are not all that reliable. >> the economist said today war is peace. in a way it's amazing that markets had been so relaxed over what could be perceived as an escalation towards war and the sanctions that the white house announced today, that treasury announced, tightened the noose a little bit but i was surprised how few oligarchs were on the list which suggests they are trying to hold back their fire for what could be some serious, you know, decisions down the road so i just don't think there's any good outcome in
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ukraine. the good news is there wasn't any terrible news or any mass troop movements but there's no good way out of this and it will just get worse. >> markets are holding up reasonably well if you want to call that, and then throw the pending home sales on top of that and throw in the federal reserve on what they might do and how they might respond. how are we to read the macro tea leaves here? >> keep a close eye on things like ukraine, russia, and it is as everyone else is saying very hard to predict day to day how that will play out. you have to keep that in the back of your mind, but when we look at the u.s. economy in particular, there is a nice drum roll now that things are improving and from lower expectations from the end of the last quarter, so pending home sales nice. there's a smaller data release, texas manufacturing. look, you want to take a broad net and look at all the data point you can and dritriagnulat
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and leading indicators better than also expected, equipment and new orders. >> steve grasso is just joining us off the floor as well. what do you make of the leadership in this market? is it normal rotation into more normal parts as the bull market continues, or are they saying there's something to be worried about that the financial are lacking? >> a couple weeks ago we were saying how people were reaching for utilities and thought it was a sill thing, but the market was still moving up a little bit higher. now we see people reaching for utilities out of safety, so i don't think it's necessarily reaching for more mature names, more old school names or value. people are truly scared. they have no clue what to do with their money right now. it's all ukraine-based. >> all right. >> you'll ukraine-based. what did you make of the bank of america stuff, steve? >> coming from a guy who has been long and got out of name last week, dumb luck, and today actually middle of the day i got back in. >> really? >> thinking that it was
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overdone. look at it on a chart. it hasn't been through that 200-day moving average since the middle of 2012 so for me risk/reward, got back in. only got back in 50% of the position that i had. just thinking about maybe we get a pop. this could have happened to any other bank. this is a work in progress. no one has any idea what these metrics are. >> and every single career it gets harder and harder and even if you think you have it figured out you really don't as bank of america, citigroup, a lot of companies have started to think, but when you look at the overall financials, those were the biggest names of 2013 when the market was on a tear, when all the data looked like it was going in the right direction and the consumer, we thought, would borrow again. there would be a good demand for loans. >> this would be the year. >> we just didn't see, that so there really isn't much to like about the financials because of what we saw in earnings and because of this body data, not the place that a lot of investors, want to be right now. >> you don't think the m & a
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activity won't make up for what's happening on the consumer loans? >> i think you'll see some of that, big bond offerings and equity issues if someone like pfizer gains astrazeneca and the comcast/time warner deal, a whole lot of banks splitting up that pie and if the regulatory landscape doesn't clear for at least a year, they won't get paid tomorrow. >> even the reports about the omnicom deal. >> you can't count on it until it hits the account. >> when you see a large issuer cut their dividend, that's such a run for the hills moment, especially with bac, and i think investors are really getting a little dicy about a lot of the other issues like citigroup and thinking to themselves how can it sustain itself in the light of what the federal government is doing in light of all the
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back-and-forth negotiations with respect to major fines of fraud, et cetera, so it's very disconcerting. >> we've been underweight financials in our portfolio now for some time, and that has certainly not hurt us in terms of performance. my favorite part of the bank of america story today was the structured notes that was behind this restatement, and those are just the devils in the details. you've got document that can literally be 60 to 100 pages of disclosures, and have you to read all the fine print. looks like b of a inherited some of those, not reading some of the fine print early enough. >> some are saying it let them off the hook and danny saying it made them run for the hills? >> hitting the bank balance sheets, i don't think we can be confident we're done with that. >> and this is not a real audit. they are not going over it with a fine-foote comb, so to your statement how on earth, this is almost like lip service to the
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banks, you know, market capitalization. you're not looking at something that's ft. knocks anymore. >> right. >> all on a relative basis. >> and to danny's point. >> run for the hills point, the banks are too complicated to manage now. having to weighed through 60 pages having to figure out your cap ratio, that's a scary thing and it goes back to the broader issue, are they too big and too complicated to manage and should shareholders just stay away? >> some of the structured products was thought to be left for dead. it was thought to be kind of removed on. gotten past this, kayla, clearly not the case so whose fault, and we'll talk more about this. whose fault is it that it's so complicated? what should the correct response be and where should the outrage be directed in that? >> this is something that's legacy from merrill lynch, not something that bank of america underwrote, something they inherited and you would think during the merger you know how quickly they tried to do due
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diligence on this company so quickly that as of a few weeks ago they are still getting sued. >> five years, that's amazing. >> it is, but one of the things if you don't have to deal with it head on when you actually take it on, something you're basically just servicing and paying into and have in a portfolio somewhere, you don't have to revisit it all that often, so if you're not familiar with it when you buy it in the first place, no reason to go back and revisit it over the course of a few years. >> the question you have to ask yourself is are these banks capitalized enough in case there's a real shock that hits, and i think we can all agree upon that they are. not something where we don't think that they are solid enough to maintain. we don't know what the next cataclysmic shock is going to be, but i would say that our bank system is as strong as it's ever been. >> hear that quite a bit. the disappointment of some shareholders here as well who wanted more capital return. we'll leave it there for the time being.
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thank you. stick around and catch more of steve grasso coming up with more of the "fast money" crew at 5:00 p.m. meantime, we need to get a check on the devastating tornadoes that have struck the midwest in the last 24 hours. more is spotted today. nbc's jay gray is in arkansas with a look at the destruction. jay? >> reporter: hey there, yeah, kelly. want to give you a firsthand look at that devastation. this is the kind of debris field that stretches from miles across several states. standing in what was the front door of an rv and auto center. you can see the debris piled up here. believe it or not, there were three employees inside as the tornado started to move n.rushed through the business, along with a stray cat it a they had been taking care of, opened this door and ran down into the basement. all of them survived. that's the good news. when they walked out though, this is what they saw, very little left of the building, the lot where they had more than 60 vehicles, very little left there other than twisted metal, shattered glass and splintered wood, and, again this, scene is
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playing out across several states right now, and concern, kelly, that the worst of the severe weather is not over. forecasters warning today that more tornadoes are likely over the next several days in an area from louisiana all the way through ohio so as they start to clean up here and as they continue to mourn those lost, they also have an eye towards the sky here to see what may come next. it's a tough go right now. >> and it must be such a tough feeling as well, jay. thank you very much. appreciate the coverage. >> yeah. >> bank of america suspending its stock buyback, dividend hike plans that miscalculated some numbers when working on the fed stress test. shares taking a hit today on the news and as we discuss who at the company should be held responsible, more on that next. herbalife earnings are due out any moment now. instant analysis of the results. herb greenberg will give us his take on the numbers. you do not want to miss that. you're watching cnbc, first in business worldwide. ss worldwide.
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welcome back. buffalo wild wings out with earnings. dominic has results. dom? >> check out what's happened with the stock because the stock has moved higher in the after hours after the company posted better than expected earnings and sales and also raised earnings growth estimates for
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the full year. you can see the stock is currently trading up about 5% in the after market trade. a different story for the container store. i have survived the buffalo wild wings challenge on numerous occasions. >> thank you, dom. >> sure. >> kayla, i want to talk in particular about what we've learned about the capital at this company, one of the biggest u.s. banks today. >> we were just discussing this issue. bank of america coming out this morning and suspending its capital plan. steve grasso mentioned that the u.s. banking system is better capitalized than it's ever been, and i want to pull up some charts.
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still 8.5% for bank of america, down three capital levels. if you can pull up the chart in the rundown there. there you go. tier one capital becomes 9%, down by about 27 basis points and tier one common down to 1.6 and down by about as much. down by what's required by regulators so right now they are still completely well capitalized and still a safe bank. the problem is the fed in its stress test makes them really stress their portfolios and if stocks fell by 50%, if unemployment fell, what would happen to the portfolio in a really extreme portfolio. if there's a chance that this
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might cause you to fail the test, may not use that to get it back to shareholders. not that bank of america is in any more of a dangerous situation because of the way that this particular type of note is valued. it actually might cause them to in effect fail the test. 30 days to figure it out and some analysts have come out and said that they believe bank of america will pass when they resubmit and others say they won't and we don't know until we hear what the fed says on this. >> mike mayo joins us, good to see you. is bank of america going to pass the stress test? >> let's look at the bigger issue here. two weeks ago bank of america had earnings that report showed less earnings power and you mentioned that. one week ago there was reports of a possible legal adjustment
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at the justice department and today we find that bank of america annual meeting in charlotte on april 7th and i'll be asking the question is bank of america too big and complex to manage? that's the bigger issue? >> the point robert frank was just making. >> i guess i wonder. do you think somebody else should be in moynihan's chair right now or is it structurally these are too big? are you implying that somebody else could do a better job? since the crisis we're relying on the regulators, and i think that's a middle ground and that's to better hold the board of directors more accountable. the chairman, what is he doing, what did he know and when did he know it? after seeing several rooms over
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the course of several decades, at some point you say what are the people overseeing the ceos doing to reassure investors? >> quick question for you. you know, bank of america right now is negotiating with the justice department and they said we want to fine you $20 billion and they are going back to the drawing board. does this issue light that on file? does this make the regulators go back and say we maybe should up the ante because of what's happening? >> i don't know how as an analyst that's covered the industry for 25 years you're supposed to model in our earnings skimts these legal charges. they are so lumpy. you saw bank of america pre-announce a couple billion dollars. >> have they mattered, because so much still seems to go back to how the economy is and where the ten-year is? >> it's multi-factorial. the question is bank of america
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kwutdor cutting fad and some of its meets and some of its controls? that's the question. >> pretty soon you're talking $20 billion. >> make of america has always been so conservative because they knew the legal charges were waiting out there in the wings and almost every other quarter we see one of the settlements completely wipe away what they were supposed to have earned that quarter. now we see them with this $4 billion buyback. upping their dividend to a nickel for the first time since the crisis. how did bank of america get so ahead of itself when it's been trying to be so conservative for the last several years? >> well, that goes back to the first question. bank of america has $2 trillion of assets. it's been multiples bigger than it was a decade ago pre-crisis. how can you get your arms around a company such as that. trying to be conservative. just don't think they are able to do so. you can't take the legal charges until they are likely and you can estimate them so i still
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think there's more charges still to come. >> are you going to lay the blame at the feet of the chairman, he should have responsibility for this or is it strictly unmanageable in. >> we need to hold accountable the board of directors and the chairman to see what kind of assurance he can provide. the ceo and management dealt a bad hand, a tough position to manage. having said that, could they have done better and done better with investors in the ex-cfo of bank of america settled with the government for not disclosing more of the losses at merrill lynch. this isn't the first time that bank of america has got ebb its numbers wrong. >> bottom line, mike, what should investors do here. >> exactly. briefly here. >> sell bank of america. >> and buy what? >> buy citigroup, 80% discount to tangible book and bank of america at a premium.
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welcome back. fed chair janet yellen generally viewed as dovish when it comes to policy and why are they being viewed more hawkish now? steve liesman joins us now. what does the new survey tell us? >> tells us we're looking at higher rates than the last survey. what you see here is that we're now looking for a 1% fed funds rate in 2015. that's up from 0.82. by the way, it goes along with the fed's own increase and their own outlook, what we get from the economic projections that the fed puts out. first rake hike, july 15, about where we thought it was prior surveys. take a look another place where they are somewhat more hawkish. we ask people if you're wrong about the federal forecast, how do you think you're wrong? will the fed be more dovish than you expect, more hawkish or is it balanced? >> 50% think that the fed in '14 and '15 could be more dover than
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they expect but look at here, '15, 40% compared to 21% are worried about a more hawkish fed in 2015. perhaps that's because of growth. take a look at some of our results from economic growth projections. the lowest probably that we've ever recorded in the entire years that we've been doing the survey, 14.6%, average probably of recession in the next 12 months. that goes along, guys, with somewhat higher growth forecasts for next year, along with this year here. go to the next one, 3.7%, there it is right there, 2.7% growth forecast for this year, going up to 3% next year. that would make sense to go along with a somewhat higher forecast for the fed funds rate. back to you. >> yeah, it certainly would, steve. thank you. rebecca, just pointing out as well. a lot of different ways of trying to gauge what consensus is here. how does what the cnbc survey, how does that parry with what your own expectations are here?
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>> steve highlight that had his survey is more hawkish than past months and also probably the broader consensus. fed fund futures, so the market's view is we'll have a market rate of 74 basis points at the end of 2015. steve, i think you said your survey said that's coming sooner. one thing that's interesting about what the fed itself is doing. it's changing its questions every month. so it's trying to really get inside what's driving people's expectations? >> is that new? >> i haven't been a very longtime participant but to the degree i've been participating, somewhat new to me. trying to understand if inflation expectations are "x," what's driving the view they are getting there? >> you can tell things from the questions. are they asking about expectations now? >> trying to get a handle on -- i mean, the fed is looking at not actual expectation but also inflation expectation so it wants to know what are the variables that will change my expectations so they are trying
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to get a leading indicate orr on a leading indicator? >> what i can tell is a person who designs the survey. trying to figure out what market expectations are for something that can't be quantified. the reason we launched this survey three years ago is because the fed funds rate future market didn't matter anymore, okay? and there was no way to gauge market expectations for what the fed would do. only by polling the street can we come up with what people expect for the balance sheet and for total qe and just for the record we're expecting a decline in the balance sheet next year of $150 billion so that's something we'll have to follow as gauging market expectations for the fed. >> it's not just when the fed funds start going up but when does the balance sheet start coming down and by how much? >> right. >> i think that's a great question. >> another policy term. >> the fed has been doing this and changing its survey from them. taken stuff from them and we from them.
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we release our fed survey results before the results. >> and with the fed meeting coming up and starting tomorrow and ending wednesday, what do people expect from this one? >> i think it's going to be a little bit pedestrian i guess is the best way to put it. not a lot of huge headlines. looking at if they need to tweak it forward, maybe some comments on the labor market will be interesting, but what we've seen and gotten conditioned to is big changes will happen because the fed wants to answer questions about them. >> thank you, steve. >> pleasure. >> let's send it over to dominic for a market flash. >> inflight wi-fi, it's losing ground on news that at&t is planning on launching a high speed lte, long-term evolution-based economy service for airlines and its passengers. it will happen by late 2015. gogo shares down 15% in after-hours trading, 77,000
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shares trading so far. at&t, the action there up very marginally. call it flat and gogo under pressure on in-flight connectivity from the likes of at&t. back to you, kelly. >> president obama announcing a new round of sanctions against top russian officials but once again they don't personally impact president vladimir putin. why is that, and will he need to feel the pain before we stops aggression and guess who will cash in on -- -- aflac. ♪ aflac, aflac, aflac! ♪ [ both sigh ] ♪ ugh!
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herbalife's quarterly earnings result are out and dominic has the numbers. >> herbalife shares, you should know right now are up about 3% on 120,000 shares of volume in the after hours trade. the headline number is 1.50 in terms of earnings per share beating the average estimate and sales come in slightly better 1.26 billion versus 1.24 billion. with regard to next quarter, the current quarter, their earnings per share guidance comes in a little bit below analyst
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estimates but the full year comes in for an estimate of between 610 to 630 per share versus analyst estimates of 6.04, so better full-year earnings guidance than analysts were expecting. also full year net sales growth expected to be between 10% and 12% versus 10% estimates from wall street analysts and herbalife has suspended its dividend, so, again, earnings beat, sales slight beat and full-year forecast beat on both sales and on profits, and herbalife is suspending its dividend. kell, back over to you. >> dom, thank you very much. we also have a tweet from carl icahn saying great move by hlf to suspend its dividend and buyback shares. it accelerates the return to shareholders. confirms confidence in the future. let's see if his comments are echoed by herb greenberg, cnbc contributor who we bring in now. looking through the results now, herb, what do you make of it? >> if you were just looking at this from a headline number perspective and suspect if you want the buyback and prefer that
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to the dividend, wow, heck of a quarter and i keep saying with the under and overlay with everything else going on, whether the company had missed, beat or exceeded expectations, you would just say or just met expectations you would say it doesn't matter because we still have to see how these numbers are generated and whether the business model that they were generated by is a business model that can be sustained once the investigations are over. >> so, herb, what you're saying, we still have to see. do we have to see what happens from the federal government's point of view, regulator's point of view or just the earnings power of this business? >> no. we know what the earnings power of the business as it stands now is, and i'm looking at other numbers in here, including the -- the average -- the growth and active sales leaders. 40% growth in china which is a big growth market for them. 9% growth in north america. both good results for them. that doesn't matter if the government comes in and does
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nothing more than revise the rules as they apply to multi-level marketers and cause them to have to reset their business models because that would cause all this growth to perhaps change. certainly in north america and in the united states. >> but, herb -- >> which is 20% of the business. >> the fact that they are trading their dividend for a buyback at this point would signal to the market that they believe their shares are undervalued. they are raising their guidance for the full year. it seems that they have confidence in their business and maybe they believe that the investigation will turn up nothing. i mean, what do you make of the news of how they are switching up the shareholder returns? >> well, kayla, of course they would say that and, of course, they would think that. you have to -- if i were running the business, i guess i would do the same thing, except how many companies have we seen that use the same buyback ploy and announce a buyback of shares. how many times have we seen that and then we look back a long time later and see that they really didn't do that that was a peak of a market and by the way, just because you say you're going to buy back shares,
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doesn't mean you'll buy back shares. >> sound like what you're saying it's a good business until it's declared illegal basically. what do you make of when we're switching to bill ackman for a little bit heer and i wonder to what extent he could become a victim of his own success. got the news out that he's paying a former herbalife employee or could be potentially millions of dollars over a ten-year period which raises some questions about whether he's sort of spending too much and influencing government and people too much on his crusade on the short side. >> well, i think, you know, his tactics are bill's tactics. not something certainly a journalist would do, but i think that maybe the perspective of is that information correct? when i'm looking at it i just want to know -- >> so the ends justify the means for you. >> what's that? well, in this case with this company trying to find out if there's really something going on, you know, that's up to him to determine how he's going to do it. i just want to know something. i want to know if this company is on the you and up.
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ackman as this documentary he'll put out on friday with a big presentation, showing people talking about, according to the trailer, how much money they have lost trying to engage in the herbalife business. look, there are two sides to this, but we know that there's some significant questions based even on the cnbc investigation into this. >> it is kind of amazing though amidst all of this the business is so strong quarter in and quarter out. >> i want to point that out. take everything else away, you say heck, heck of a business. >> thank you, herb. that may explain why the shares are up a tenth of 1% responding to that earnings beat. the obama administration unveiling another round of sanctions targeting russian government officials and companies linked to russian president vladimir putin and his inner circle. john harwood has the details for us from the nation's capital. >> reporter: kelly, the new sanctions confirm, in case there was any doubt, that that agreement to de-escalate between the united states, russia, the
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eu and ukraine a couple of weeks ago was worthless because russia wasn't interested in de-escalating at all. so what's now happened is seven additional individuals close to vladimir putin, though not putin himself, 17 entities close to some of those people and people who had been sanctioned earlier, are also subject to sanctions. the united states is barring the export of some high-tech defense equipment to russia, which might contribute to their military capabilities, and jack lew, the treasury secretary, told our andrea mitchell this afternoon that this is an attempt, even though they haven't deterred russia so far, to gradually increase the pressure. >> these are very important sanctions. they are sanctioned that will get their attention. i think that our goal is to move in a systematic way in, a careful way, in a way that also gives them a chance to change their policy and take a different course. our goal here is obviously not to hurt the russian people. it's to get them to change their policy. >> now the end game, if russia does not change its policies, is
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broad sectoral sanctions, especially on the energy sector. europe has not been willing to go that far yet. the united states hasn't been either, but if they cross the red line, the united states has been painting in eastern ukraine, having lost the advantage or the ability to reverse the invasion of crimea, then that will be put to the test and we'll see whether or not that can be effective? >> while sanctions may be in place, doesn't mean that putin will feel their effect. the "new york times" today has a story about putin's billions saying he could be the wealthiest head of state in the world. if you're a regular cnbc viewer you know our own robert frank has been way ahead of this story so will putin be feeling enough of a pinch even with the new sanctions? >> it's interesting, and i wonder what john thinks of this. initially there was a lot of focus on the fortune of putin and going after the oligarchs and now they have pulled back. some oligarchs floated over the weekend that didn't get named and now they are talking about
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sort of public officials that will be sanctioned, not companies or oligarchs, and it just seems to me, jack lew's statement saying we are not going after putin himself, putting that right out there, that we're not going to target him and his fortune. john, i wonder what you think, whether there may be a slight shift away from that perhaps as an olive branch to allow him room to change his position here? >> well, everything, robert, about the u.s. strategy has been consistent with the idea that a gradual ratcheting up is going to be more effective than in essence firing all your ammunition at once. hasn't worked so far. it may be taking a toll on the russian economy. certainly some of the financial analysts we've talked to think it's hurting the russian economy, but it's not producing short-term results so how long can the united states hold out from doing something more severe? that's going to be tested the next few days. >> the trouble, of course, is any sanctions that hurt russia's economy by definition are going to hurt especially europe and the global economy. it's an unfortunate situation. not like you're trying to
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isolate a country like iran that's less intertwined with the economy and less big as a share of gdp in general. >> exactly. no, with any other economy already at this point we would have so much pressure on the leader, russia's stock market down more than 20% year to date. the russian ruble collapsing and the central bank being forced to hike rates very aggressively. russia is likely to have a recession, possibly a deep one this year, but to robert's point earlier, if most of the people who handle russia's money have gotten a good chunk of that money overseas, do they care really who this hurts, it's the middle class or those who could afford to have a few local shares. how long does it take before they take on putin because right now his popularity is very, very high. >> john? >> well, look, if you inflict severe enough pain on the russian economy overall, eventually that is going to have an impact on the leader of the country, whether it's a democracy or not. >> no, but does it turn his people, john, against him?
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what rebecca is saying, if anything, this has coalesced support for putin. not like iran where all of a sudden you have rouhani that comes into power as a result. >> that's my point. it takes some time so there's an immediate real around vladimir putin effect, just like in our country when you have a military confrontation. people rally around the commander in chief. the same thing is happening in russia. the question is what's the duration of that and how long does it take? my point is if you do inflict sustained damage on the economy, i think that's ultimately going to put pressure on putin, even if he's not a democratically elected leader in the way we think of a democracy. >> just not a normal economy. so much wealth in russia is concentrated among 50 billionaires that unless you target those 50 people, you're just not going to have a big impact on that's what's going on in that economy. >> does seem tonight direction that this is headed. thank you, john and robert. >> you bet. >> back at least on television.
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he hasn't been heard of since he left his post-as co-show at pimco but there's the hot list fire today and still ahead. another comeback in the making, manufacturing in the united states. we'll have the how and why coming after this. ngfter this. [ man #1 ] we're now in the approach phase,
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former ceo of pimco. for more we welcome back allen wasler from vacation, weren't in the same place, it should be noted. what's on the hot list? >> surprise popped up in the last hour here. did a pickup from our partners at "usa today." they went through all the earnings reports and where most of us concentrate on growth, they looked at shrinkage, and they have a list of 11 companies that are the great shrinking companies over the last three years, so, you know, names like staples, best buy, avon in there, interesting little piece and our readers are just diving into it. now, you mentioned mohammed el alaran. we have him partnered up with one of the chiefs from apollo, joshua harris. both of them are warning that the markets sort of aren't pricing in some things and that, you know, stocks can get a rude awakening on mohammed's part and for joshua harris he says everything is overvalued.
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boast those stories are pulling tremendously and i expect them to pull all the way into the evening because that's what it looks like right now. >> quick question, when we're talking about companies which have shrunk, we're not talking about the share flow but the actual businesses. >> measuring mostly revenue takes for each year and have done a little bit of seasonality to level the results. pretty fascinating. investors always get obsessed by growth but want to check your portfolio to see what's not growing so well anymore. >> good to see you. >> thank you, kelly. >> it's been said that the united states doesn't make anything anymore. well, a new study contends that that's changing and that the u.s. may be set for a manufacturing comeback. that's next. and you voted. we counted. tomorrow all day as part of cnbc's 25th anniversary we'll reveal the first 25. that list of influential leaders who have influenced businesses over the past quarter century. so don't miss a moment of it. we'll be right back. i bought a car, comes over... and you're like. if you're getting... a good deal or not. led up... truecar.com. all the information... you should be paying.
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also growing that list here mercedes-benz is also suspending at least for the time being its marketing relationship with the clippers. you've also got other big names as well, including sprint, the telecom giant here in the u.s. that's also for the time being suspending its marketing relationship with the l.a. clippers, so the list just keeps on growing. more details for all of these companies. remember, tune into this show tomorrow because on the "closing bell" we will have sprint ceo dan hessey who will be first on cnbc tomorrow on kweb"closing b" he'll talk about some concerns about sprint and what it feels about the l.a. clippers donald sterling situation so we'll all be tuned in for that interview. >> tomorrow and every other day.
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let's bring in the man behind the report, boston consultant group senior partner hal sirkin. this is a theme out there for quite some time. you're saying the cost gap between china and the u.s. has narrowed to just five points and that's before transportation costs so effectively it's cheaper to make things here. >> seen a massive change. used to be a few years ago that china was 14 or 15-point advantage and now it's down to four or five points and it's starting to change the way manufacturers behave. >> well, the trouble though it's not moving the needle quite enough on the employment front. we still peaked in this country around 17.5 million manufacturing jobs in 1998. at 12 million today, hal. do you think that that will start to follow, or is it just that we're starting to get the gdp benefit but not the employment benefit? >> already seen manufacturing jobs increase so we're seeing some increase already and you've got to recognize that it will take three, three and a half years to get a manufacturing plant up and running in the united states so we have a long
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way to go before you see the full impact of what's taking place, but that cost difference is dramatic and it will change economics around the world. >> this is a dynamic equation, of course. if we get the dollar strengthening along with rights yields in the u.s., now china looks like it's trying to actually weaken, it's really the first time they have done this in a material way since 2005 or before, how quickly could that change the findings? >> well, of course, economics change all the time. on the other hand, china still has a currency that most economists believe is not valued correctly so they will have to do something about that, and, of course, interest rates will make some differences, but countries tend to adjust to each other. >> hal, when you looked at your report, as to what specific factors were helping the u.s., you cited natural gas prices as the big one and also basically stable or some would say stagnant wages. >> right. >> so rank those two for me and what else is helping the u.s. right now? >> we really have four things
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that are helping the u.s. one something that is relatively stable wages and the other is growth in productivity. you have exchange rates that are favorable, and we have electricity and all energy costs that are also part of this so they all come together for a very good tailwind for the u.s., at least for now. >> no four horsemen there. thank you, hal. >> thank you. >> good to see you and having someone trying to quantify this discussion. up next, final thoughts on today and what to watch for in markets tomorrow, including earnings from social media giant twitter, the online retailer ebay. we'll be right back. be right ba.
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welcome back. more news. let's send it to dominick. >> check out zillow climbing about 4%. hedge fund tiger disclosed a 9.5% stake in the company. zillow up about 4% in the after market trade. back over to you. >> want to get final thought from the panel. is it the fed meeting? >> i think it's the markets. i think it's equity specifically. i would say i'm staying over u.s. equities.
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i think if russia gets worse the u.s. is relatively less exposed. >> all of these kind of sages are coming out and saying they're concerned. >> that's what makes a market. there are parts that are topee. some small stocks are undervalued. you have to look under the hood. >> what's under the hood? >> look at the ip market, that's really tailed off. i think we still got to make the play. the u.s. equity market is the place to be. probably time to take a good look and maybe double-triple down. >> wow. a lot of this will depend on what happens with russia. >> yeah. i think the market is not pricing in a total collapse of the russian economy. which is possible. >> it will be interesting to see if we see a breakout this week.
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>> "fast money" is coming up. melissa lee, are you talking ten year, the vicks? >> hello. that's a good looking dress, kelly. >> the free willy's theme song. >> here's what we're talking about, there's been a lot of pharma and biotech. we have got three names and we'll tell you whether or not the options activity backs them up as potential targets. >> over to you guys. >> "fast money" starts right now. in new york city's times square. our traders tonight. coming up. we'll get the latest move from dennis and he's been changing his strategy over the last month as the market has become more volatile. >> still be pleasantly long. not

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