it crashes in 1962, and the driver was actually killed, and that could deter some buyers. it was repaired by ferrari. it was eventually purchased by a famous ferrari collector and heir to a mineral fortune. this ferrari could be a big deal at over $35 million, maybe $50 million. >> maybe $50 million. we'll be watching the final price. thank you very much, robert frank. and thank you, folks, for watching "street signs." welcome back, brian as well. >> thank you. the kardashian version of "closing bell" is next. welcome to the "closing bell," everybody. i'm kelly evans here at the new york stock exchange with bill griffeth. welcome back. >> i'm back. it's like i left or something, but i was just in a different place. it's the same to you, i know, but it's nice to be back at the big board today. we're on a different kind of 17,000 watch today for the dow compared to what we were on last week. today we're wondering if the dow can remain above that level.

we've seen a sell-off. we were down 76 points at the low, but we've come off those lows and we're at 17,010 right now. >> and we're keeping a close eye on the ten-year for that reason, too, watching a 2.6% level as it also expresses, perhaps as art cashin was saying, a reassessment of the strength of the payroll report. >> yes. >> maybe it's european concerns, maybe it's the typhoon in japan. all of that we'll get to in just a moment. meantime, the watch for the apple watch continues. the shares of apple higher again today in the range of 1.7%. they are inching towards $100 a share. that's near their nominal high, both before and after the split. the company poaching a top executive from luxury watch maker. just how much is on the line for apple whenever it does unveil this watch? we'll take a closer look. >> i guess they really are going to bring out an iwatch, aren't they? they're talking about the fall. >> at this point. look, if they can get it down to not having to be bulky and be with the phone right there and charge it so much -- and interestingly enough, and this is what we'll have to ask our guest later -- if they make it in switzerland, that could be a

development that gets people interested. >> i'm just interested if it has a physical keyboard, then i'm sold. >> no, there's a casio! all right you can get one on ebay. >> yeah. of course, it's the event everyone is waiting for. not one kardashian, not two kardashians, we have all three kardashian sisters with us today here live. kim, kourtney and khloe will be talking to kelly. they have a new line of clothing for children, called kardashian kids, sold at babies "r" us exclusively, and the three sisters are going to talk about that exclusively here on klosing with a "k," "closing bell" later in the program. >> and courtney reagan is on the scene. we'll see her later on. >> want to tell us about the market here? >> the dow is down 57 points, off the session lows where we were down about 76. so, 17,010 is the level we're watching right now, off about 0.33%. take a look, meanwhile, at the nasdaq, this one out-performing.

last week it was in the range of 2% or higher in the shortened holiday trading week. today it's giving up 35 points to the down side. finally, the s&p 500 off about nine, 1,976 is the level there. >> keeping up with the closing bell exchange with die yawn, peter anderson from congress wealth management, hank smith from heatherford investments, steve sax from pro shares advisors, and our own robert pisani. peter anderson, at least two houses on the street are now, as a result of the jobs report on thursday, saying that they think the fed will start to actually raise interest rates sooner than expected, maybe as soon as next year right about now. would that be good or bad for stocks? >> well, it depends. it depends on how earnings are going to come up, bill. you know, if earnings look really strong, which i do think is going to happen this quarter and the next, then you would expect rates to increase

slightly. that's all in alignment with the perfect picture of recovery. i think what's happened, though, is that many people are confused. we don't have clear signals yet. we've been saying this now for several years, but i just don't think we have across-the-board, clear signals that we are in clear air, clear sailing. and you know, i also get a sense that if you pull on this earnings thread a bit, you might actually unravel more fabric than you think. but in my case, i think most companies that are strictly research and have good prospects will have very strong earnings, and perhaps, you will have an increase next year, yes. >> you know, if we want to look at signs potentially of trouble in these markets, we only have to look so far as the short-term funding markets or repo lately, steve sax. rick santelli's not with us today, so i'll ask you, how concerned are you in some of the failures in repo funding in this part of the market where we saw stress in 2008? >> i don't think it's of a big concern right now. i think you've got lots of

different factors flowing into the credit markets in general and overall into however you want to refer to it, the shadow banking market or just the overall capital markets, right? the fact of the matter is, we've gone through a significant transformation in how balance sheets are managed on the street, particularly as it relates to global investment banks. so, the stress that we may or may not be seeing in the short-term funding market right now, we've seen that before. we saw it historically before 2008. you get these blips. i am not overly concerned. i don't think it has a big impact on fixed income or equities. >> so, you don't think this is an early sign, for example, that if rates do suddenly move higher, they could gap higher because there will be nobody there to take down inventory or because these short-term markets will struggle with some of the inventory on the market? >> no, i really don't think so. i mean, right, the whole debate about, you know, the interest rate hike, it's like the debate about the yedie right now, right? some believe, some don't believe. i think the fact of the matter is we're still a ways off from that first interest rate hike. and again, no reason to believe that the fed is not going to do

this in an extremely orderly fashion with plenty of transparen transparency, thus no stress in those funding markets. >> i want to meet the person that believes. diane garnick, 17,000 on the dow. do you believe? >> yeah, you know, it's so interesting. i think one of the things we have to remember is never underestimate the power of the american consumer, right? so, for a long time, when the dow 10,000 hats came out, we hit dow 10,000, we lost it, it came back. i mean, it became a fashion staple. we're likely to see that again -- >> but here's my question, does it raise earnings expectations that much further when we are in this territory where we've never been before? we start the earnings parade tomorrow. do you think those expectations are going to be met this time around? >> this time around, this earnings season right here, right now, i think we have upside risk in that lots of companies have pulled down their estimates, so much so that i think the up side is really where we're likely to see companies outperform, in

particular in consumer discretionary space. >> now, hank smith, we're going to talk to jeff about his call that the 20% correction could be happening, could be starting now in the markets. or in any case, he was talking about that on cnbc earlier today. >> right. >> hank smith, do you agree with diane that there's more upside risk heading into earnings season or are you in the kind of jeff saut camp here? >> i definitely agree with diane that, look, the economy is starting to reaccelerate. i think you're going to see that in second-quarter earnings, third and fourth-quarter earnings that are both going to come in ahead of expectations. the chance of a recession is very, very low. are we going to have pullbacks? of course. a correction, maybe. but if we do, i think it's going to be relatively shallow and very quick, because there's a ton of money on the sidelines that hasn't participated in this market that wants to get in, and maybe is just reluctant to

constantly be looking at a market at all-time highs. so, that's been the case for the past, oh, i don't know how many months. these pullbacks are very, very short lived. i don't see why it's going to be any different going forward. >> bob, what's the mood of the traders here? you've been walking the floor, as you always do. what are they thinking about as we head into earnings season here? >> it's getting more bullish. and remember, it's been tremendously skeptical. for two years, the professional trading community has hated this rally. we've called it the most hated rally ever. i think what's interesting here is it's not surprising that people like jeff salt make calls that we're in an unseasonably weak period, markets are at highs, we might correct. that's not the bold call. the bold call is that the consensus is wrong, that the seasonal weakness will not occur. laszlo was on earlier. i think he had it right. markets are improving because the economy is improving and we see flows into stocks. that's a good sign.

>> and i can't figure out why the ten-year yield is doing what it is. after having the weekend to digest that stronger-than-expected jobs report to digest the fact that markets have been resilient here. why not see that moving higher, especially as jpmorgan, goldman are calling for earlier rate hikes? why is it just sitting here, and if anything, kind of drifting lower today? >> i think it's the biggest drag on the bull argument right now, and i agree with you. for whatever reason, they still don't particularly believe -- and what's amazing to me is that this is not a part of the market that the federal reserve controls, not the ten-year. they only control the short-term. so, i would have anticipated -- and i have been wrong on this -- that the interest rates would have been higher right now. but for whatever reason, that's not happening. all i can tell you is look at the headlines over the weekend. look at friday's headlines. we talked about this morning, stock market up on strong jobs report, or the other way, jobs report strong, stock market at new highs. now they're combining these two events. they haven't before. that's another reason why investors are going to start noticing. >> well, we get earnings coming out as well -- >> bill, if i could add here --

>> real quickly. >> yeah, you know, the fed, it isn't irreversible, also. if they raise rates and get bad data, then they can always reverse rates. >> sure. >> i think sometimes we lose that focus that they can do that. >> that was the case with the taper, too, they could always ratchet back up. got to go, but nice to see you this week, on a monday where we're kicking off with markets to the down side after a historic run. let's send it out to mary thompson with a "market flash" on petsmart. >> hey, look at an intraday chart of petsmart spiking on a defiling by shareholder longview asset management. the company sent a letter to the board suggesting the company consider putting itself up for sale. last week, you might remember activist hedge fund shareholder jana partners suggested the same thing. earlier today, the company said it was reviewing its capital structure, focusing on possibly returning cash to shareholders. its stock right now trading up just over 2%, up $1.40 at $68.68. kelly, back to you. >> all right, we will keep watching it. thank you, mary. 15 minutes to go into the close.

the dow off 50 points, off session lows, but pressure on stocks across the board today. coming up, who doesn't love a good bargain in the summer, right? well, wait until you hear the stocks still trading at discounts, despite the market's recent run into record territory. dominic chu has our bargain list coming up. and apple defying gravity again, hiring a top sales executive away from a luxury watchmaker as all signs point to gearing up to its launch of the highly anticipated smartwatch. we'll talk about apple's make-or-break smartwatch, coming up. >> better have a physical keyboard. plus, inside the mind of a trader. i love this story. meg terrell puts a new study under the microscope showing how brain activity differs between high and low earners on wall street. fascinating stuff, and the results may surprise you. but actual traders who will learn about this study at the same time as the rest of us, and they will join us, coming up.

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slight pullback in the markets today on this first day back from the fourth of july holiday. you know, as we like to say, we assign a mind-set to the market, and they're rethinking, i guess, the strength of the jobs report and whether or not it means that they're going to raise rates sooner rather than later, and is that good for stocks or bad for stocks? so, today it's down, but we are holding above 17,000 on the dow right now. >> psychology is important to markets and know that. >> absolutely. >> in fact, let's talk about trading as well. beautiful mind or not so much? a cal tech study now showing brain activity, how it differs between high and low-earning traders on wall street. meg tirrell joins us now with the revealing details, and then

we have some traders here to react. so, what are you finding out, meg? >> kelly, this research we're looking at takes a look at two areas of the brain and how they react to market activity. now, one area, it's a part of the brain associated with reward. it shows higher levels of activity during price run-ups. researchers say it could be a good bio marker for irrational exuberance. so, when that area of the brain lights up, we could be heading for a bubble. the other area of the brain they looked at may actually act as an internal warning signal. traders who sold before the market peaked in the study showed activity in that area of the brain, while low earners didn't have that same activity. researchers from cal tech and virginia tech say the work sheds light on what contributes to market bubbles and could give us clues about how to potentially mitigate them. they also cite warren buffet and his advice, to be fearful when others are greeding and greedy when others are fearful and say his research at least has got neuroscience on his side. >> meg, thank you. appreciate it. >> love this!

>> let's pick the brains of a couple of traders here to see what they think. >> i was watching your expressions as you were listening to meg there. we've got kenny from o'neil securities with us and peter costa from empire executions. so, the premise is that something goes off in your brain when you guys sense that we are in an irrational exuberance period, things have extended themselves too much and it's time to get out. you know, you have that innate ability that us mortals do not have. do you agree? >> i definitely agree. i think there's certainly in a type "a" personality, kind of a broker that's been in the thick of it. i think it's either something you either develop or you just have it. i think it's innate, right? your ability to respond. >> yeah, the ability to respond and to think rationally when everyone's not rational. >> and be able to make a decision -- >> but here's the thinking i go through, not that i can trade, because i can't in this position. but i worry that if i sell, i'm going to sell too soon. >> right. >> and the market's going to keep going higher and i'm going

to drive myself crazy worrying about that. do you guys think that way, too? >> no, because you see, what are we talking about? my personal account or from a professional perspective? >> it matters? >> i think it definitely matters. >> talk about your personal experience with when you directly have to decide to get out of a trade or not. >> as a professional representing a customer or myself? >> just, in either case -- the case where most clearly you have to decide whether to ride that wave or get out, and what's the difference between yourself personally and professionally? in which case -- i would imagine professionally, maybe that's true, maybe that's not, are you more cautious? >> no, i have to tell you something, i think when you're doing it professionally, you're right in the thick of it and you're representing institutional interests and you're so engrossed in the trade at that moment, it's almost easy to be able to make a decision. first of all, because you're getting direction. you know what your customer wants to do. you've had this conversation. you've got them kind of sitting here on your shoulder, so you know what they want to do and you just do it. >> and sometimes even when your customer wants to do something, you might have another feeling about it. this is where it becomes more of a trader and an instinctual type

of thing. they want to get out. if they need to raise money, that's one thing, but if they're not sure, that's what they leave it in our hands for. >> and they expect you, they expect you to kind of, to be able to control that, right, be able to go to them and walk them through it, have that conversation. and as long as you're all on the same page, it works. from a personal point of view, i think like everybody else. you always say to myself, oh, did i sell it too soon and did i buy it too soon? >> right, right. is this the result of experience or did you bring it to the table to begin with? >> it's from experience. because i don't think -- when i first came into this business, i didn't have any instinctual feel for the market. and over the years, you develop that. >> feel the ebb and flow? >> yeah, the ebb and flow, you feel it. and there are some things you just can't quantify. there are times when, and i said this two weeks ago when i told you that my costa family fortune was getting out when the market went over spa&p 1,900, so i misd out, but it was the right thing to do. >> thinking about the implications of this research,

here's the big brother scenario for you. at the federal reserve, are we setting ourselves up for a crash? can't i scan your brains now and figure out whether the kind of activity you're engaged in is triggering the kind of endorphin adrenaline pro bubble kind of activity, or, you know, does it override that part of the brain that's telling you that markets, that here the rational thing to do would be to stop the trade? >> that's a very interesting question, because if you scan my brain right now, i would tell you i think we are getting very close to a bubble, if we're not already in one. i tend to be more cautious because i think fundamentals are on the line. >> both of you. >> with where the stocks are trading. >> you've been this way for years. that was bob's point. >> and we've been talking about it, the higher we go, the more cautious i become. now today, this morning you've had how many people come out this morning now and say we're cautious, we're nervous, we're concerned? >> right. >> so, it just -- >> which tells you it's still a healthy market? because if everybody instead was either identifying this and saying jump on the gravy train anyway or not identifying this at all, that would be indicative that we're in more of a bubble?

>> true, that's very true. you need buyers and sellers. i mean, there are people that feel that the market is topee. they're going to be the sellers. and there are going to be people that think there's still another 10% or 15% on the upside. those are the buyers. that's just the natural flow of trading and investing is there are buyers and sellers. you know, the way we look at it is a little more -- you know, we're more cautious as we've seen new peaks. that's just a natural thing for us. >> but you're also driven by customer flow. you have to understand something, if i'm representing a customer that needs to sell stock right now, my mind is in the sell mode. >> that's where you're going. >> therefore, i'm sensitive to that. if i'm in a mode where a customer wants to buy it, it's the opposite, right? >> well, as you guys know, i'm a huge student of market history. this is fascinating stuff and i appreciate you coming along. >> thank you. >> combined you have how many years on the floor here? >> 30. >> i'm 33. >> okay, so a few years. >> a few. >> see you guys later. appreciate it very much. heading towards the close, minor pullback. the dow is down 57, 60 points right now, but still above the

17,000 level here. coming up, we're going to look at sweet gains for candy crush maker king digital. it is off today, but it's been lately going back above the $22.50 initial public price offering on the heels of an analyst upgrade. the pros are going to weigh in on king's chances of tumbling back to where it came from when we come back. also coming up, as tensions in the middle east continue to rise, why aren't oil prices continuing to go up more? we're going to get answers from an oil industry veteran. do not go anywhere. stay around. ♪ ♪

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welcome back. here's where we stand across the major end dindexes with the dow 50 points. interestingly enough, the nasdaq and russell are capturing the worst index, worst session in two months. the russell's off more than 2%. >> mary thompson, what's moving the markets right now? >> familiar names, bill. we'll begin with apple moving higher at levels it hasn't seen since october of 2012. the company hiring a senior executive from the luxury watchmaker tag heuer ahead of the anticipated launch of the iwatch, up 1.75%. blackberry also moving higher as the stock pushes past the $11 share level. the stock is up nearly 50% over the last month. a different story for tesla. it dropped in the aftermath of one of its model "s" cars being stolen. it then crashed, split into two and erupted into fire over the holiday weekend. its shares down 3.3%. gopro rebounding from thursday after doubling its ipo price

from the week before. it began options trading today with a little fanfare at 5.33%. we end with king digital, maker of candy crush, marching above the ipo price at the open before profit takers moved in. it's trading down 1.8% at $21.47. back to you. >> mary, thank you. earlier today it was on session highs on an analyst upgrade. so, where does king stock go from here? should you be betting on it or could your portfolio be candy crushed? we'll brawl it out. >> we've got ross gerber from gerber kawasaki. he thinks king is the new king in casual mobile gaming, while andrew keen from keen on the markets says about investors finally getting to break even from the ipo might be wise to sell the stock and move capital elsewhere. good to see you both. thanks for joining us. ross, do you think this is for real? i mean, the stock got killed when it opened at the ipo price. it's come back. do you think it will continue higher? >> well, it came out at a pretty good valuation in the first

place. i think it's one of those types of things, they're in the right place at the right time making the right product. everybody's playing these casual mobile games. they're easy, they're fun, they're distractions, and they're making a lot of money doing it, an ungodly amount of money doing it. so, the real issue why most people don't like the stock is can they keep doing it, can they keep doing it? and my answer is, that's all of hollywood, that's all of the entertainment business. it's a hit-and-miss business. and they seem to have the management teams that's doing it right. so, i think it's a good investment. >> okay. andrew, what about you? you're more cautious here, i understand. >> yeah. i mean, right now as you look, they're a one trick pony. 70% of their revenue comes from candy crush. they need to come out with another product that's going to consistently move in the gaming space. rovie's tried it for seven years, trying to find a game that's going to compete against angry birds, and they haven't been able to do it, so they're a one trick pony. revenues are going to be flat

year over year, and also we see users starting to decline. the fact of the matter was the stock got up above the ipo price and couldn't hold it. technically, today was an awful day. it traded about three times its usual volume in stock volume, and a low-volume day, it got up to that $23 and found a seller. i think the short top is on and it's an opportunity to buy on a pullback at 20 or 18, but i wouldn't allocate any new capital right here. >> what i hear both of you saying is one of you is betting on management to come up with another hit like candy crush. the other is very skeptical that they can do that. ross, you think they can. >> yeah. i think they're in the right space. remember, video game business is a huge industry in many different areas, and the console makers in my mind are really struggling today because it's really gone to a mobile environment. when you look at the international market, how many children and women who used to not be gamers at all are now playing these games, we're talking 400 million people play these games just with king's

products every month. they're making hundreds of millions a month, and it's a huge profit margin. so, they're going to make huge amounts of profits even if revenues don't grow this year. they're monetizing so well. you want to be in this business. >> just like in hollywood, it's a fad. >> it's a gold mine. >> it's a fad. yeah, revenues are great right now. the problem is they're declining. you can see it flatlining on their revenues. >> what's a fad? candy crush -- >> last time it sold off on earnings, too. i think they could possibly come out with a new product, but why invest right now if i don't know if they can do that. >> they have four out of the top twenty games right now. they've got four or five top twenty games -- >> they have two in the top ten, but they have to consistently keep that. >> but they very well could, and that's where the money could be made, because the money's being made on mobile social games, and they're the best player right now in this business. if i'm activision or i'm ea, i'm not really in that business that well. this is a great addition to my portfolio. how about microsoft some.

>> that's interesting. >> see, it's such a profitable business and it's such a great business model. they have to invest a very little amount of money to test games, where if i make a "call of duty," i've got to spend $25, $30, $40 million just to make a game. >> how do you explain the price action today, though? look at the price action. it got another analyst -- [ everyone talking at once ] >> the market's been week. >> but this morning it was up $1 premarket at 6:00 in the morning central time. the stock was up $1, and it completely rolled over all day today. it couldn't hold the ipo price. and technically, that's a big, big reversal day. >> that's a good point. ross, final word? >> you're right, but you also said the same thing about nike two weeks ago and were totally wrong. >> don't dodge it! answer the question about king today, ross. >> i'm sorry, but you know, i think king is valued correctly and i think it will go higher over time, and i don't care that much about charts. i care about valuations. >> i think some traders snaps -- >> i had to pull that out. i had to bring that out because you told me nike was going down. >> all right.

>> i was wrong on that one. >> we've got to go. thank you, both. good discussion, actually. that was fun. thank you. >> i think they could be, like, one of these movie series that keeps going, we have version two, version three to come. but who knows what "stock brawl" will have next, but king has been interesting to watch today. 30 minutes before the bell here. markets are under pressure, as they were saying. the dow is off 55 points, the s&p 9, the nasdaq 36, and the russell having its worst day in two months. coming up, you say you're worried stocks have become too pricey? never fear, dominic chu has a list of shares trading at a discount that could be in for big gains. you cannot afford to miss that, coming up. also later, why the super typhoon halfway around the world could affect your investments on wall street. this bad situation in japan could get worse. we'll have the latest straight ahead. ♪

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welcome back. well, crude oil prices are also under pressure today as we kick off the new week. bertha coombs, why is that? >> well, you know, part of it is that we've lost a little bit of that geopolitical premium. traders basically say the situation in iraq appears to be on hold for now with production in the south not being impacted. you have libya bringing back some supply online, lifting

forfeiture on two ports there. so, that essentially eases supply concerns. but the big areas that we're seeing a down drop, not so much in crude, but take a look, it's the more domestically oriented parts of the energy spectrum. we're looking at gasoline today down 1%. the fact is that most likely, hurricane arthur did dent demand over the holiday weekend, which is one of the major driving holidays of the year. and then, the domestic forecast is for not a whole lot of hot weather. despite the fact that we are seeing 90-plus temperatures here in the northeast over the next couple of days. that's expected to ease fairly quickly. in the midwest, it's not that much. and bill, you know, that next named storm, which does bear my name, is nowhere to be found. back to you. >> well, we know where you are, bertha, and we're glad for that. thank you. >> thank you. with new tensions in the middle east and americans approaching peak driving season this summer, where does that leave the outlook for oil prices? >> our next guest says despite the looming factors right now,

the worst may be over for gas prices. tom petri, formerly with bank of america, america lynch. thanks for joining us today. >> great to see you, bill. >> let's talk bigger picture here. depending who you ask, we're at a big inflection point in terms of the energy life of the united states. beholden to middle east oil, even as the price goes higher, because of the fracking going on here in the u.s. where do you see prices going as a result of all of that right now? >> we're definitely going to build more supply, and that will back out some imports. and boone spoke about that this morning, as you know. but basically, that should loosen up the system globally. it's not big enough by itself to drive prices meaningfully lower, but it's certainly on the margin beneficial to keeping prices in a healthy range, which is what we've been in recently. >> let's take a quick listen, if we can, to what t. boone pickens had to say about oil and

production in this country this morning. >> we can get off opec oil. we're down to 4 million barrels a day of opec oil. at one time, we were over seven. so, we've come down to four. and we can knock that out within the next three years. >> you agree, tom? >> i do with one caveat, and i think boone developed it a bit, too. in my book "following oil," i speak to this. basically, the kind of oil we're producing on the margin is going to exceed the capacity of our refiners to optimally run it, so we need some exports while we reconfigure our refineries. that said, financially and barrel for barrel, we're in a position to back out the bulk of the remaining imports over the next three to four years. >> yeah, we need more refineries, anyway, too, to help with the demand for gasoline. does all of this necessarily mean lower prices down the road? i mean, that seems to be the

promise. as we get off of the middle east oil, start to develop more of our own, prices can come down. is that a pipe dream? >> well, it depends on the geopolitics, bill, and that is something that it's hard to take to the bank. but there's been a fair amount of geopolitical risk premium built into oil prices for the last two years, in my view, probably 10% to 15%. some of that may welcome out if we get some of these issues that have been in the news lately settling down some. >> you know, tom, it's interesting to look at the aspect of prices on the one hand, which may not come down much further, even as this production boom continues, and the geopolitics on the other. the implications here is the u.s. maybe has less interest in this part of the world, and as the russians and chinese move in, what do you see happening there? >> well, obviously, it is a reorienting of power centers. and as i think senator kerry

pointed out this morning, there's more interest, more of the u.s. interest in that part of the world than just the energy. so, it's going to take an effective leadership program where we do work with our allies on how to have that be an orderly transition to a different set of power centers. i think that could be a real challenge. >> you know, a related question i'm curious about, both for individual states like colorado, which may become energy sufficient, and for the u.s. as a whole as this transition happens, should we be developing a sovereign wealth fund? >> well, certainly, we'd better make good use of the financial benefit of this. whether it's large enough, considering our population, to be thinking in terms of sovereign wealth fund is a bit of a stretch when you think of the one that's in alaska or the middle east or other areas. they're usually large benefits for a fairly small population.

we're going to, i think, basically need to make good use of the benefits to the trade balance and the benefits to our foreign financing needs as we enjoy this, but i doubt that a real sovereign wealth fund is in the cards. >> one more wild card pretty quickly here, tom, if we can. what about alternative energy, as automakers are doing more with hybrids and electricity and fuel cells and things like that. what role is that going to play in the future of all of this? >> you know, one of the big surprises here is a lot of this was not predicted. it certainly wasn't benefited by any great government policy. similarly, in the alternative energy area, i think private sector innovation will surprise us somewhat on the upside in the alternative energy, but the realistic time frame is multiple decades, not a few years. >> yeah. >> and so, you know, we just have to keep that in mind. >> yeah, i think we have been

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welcome back. heading into the close, the dow at 17,011. we're looking to see if that will breach to the down side at the close. it's off about 0.33% at the moment, the s&p off 1% and the russell off 1% at a two-month weak performance spot. >> the markets are still entering record highs, despite the pullback, but don't let that

fool you. dominic chu says there are still plenty of bargains to be had on wall street with big potential gains, right? >> you know, it's interesting, because nobody wants to buy stocks at record highs, but there are always places of opportunity. so, one of the places people look towards is the value side of things, right? which stocks have not participated in the rally? well, some stocks have actually gone up in value but are still trading at multiples or valuations slightly below where they have been in the past. we looked at a handful of them throughout the course of the day. our first one for this particular hour, we've highlighted a lot of them, is berkshire hathaway, of all companies, right? so, this is a stock that trades at 16 times earnings now. so, you pay $16 for every $1 of profits berkshire generates. here's the interesting part, because over the course of the past five years, it trades normally at 20 times earnings, which means if you look at it from a sale perspective, it's being marked down 17%. so, you can see berkshire's shares, they've done pretty well over the course of the past year, but just not as well as the rest of the market, perhaps.

now, another stock you want to pay attention to, at least from a valuation standpoint, is a financial. we've been talking a lot about these financials. regional banks in particular. fifth third bank is one of the larger ones in the united states, based in the midwest. it trades at 11 times earnings. it normally trades at around 20 times earnings. so, again, a 41% discount to valuations. and of course, fifth third bank is a stock, you can see there, has been in an up-and-down ride, as have all the financials. they've been a lagging sector. our final one to highlight here is one that perhaps some investors have fallen out of favor with and maybe or maybe not for good reason. this is weight watchers, a stock that trades at just six to seven times earnings. again, it normally trades at around 13 times earnings, which means it's 50% off, if you look at it from a valuation perspective. now, some would say, bill, kelly, that this particular stock is down for a reason. maybe there are demographic or secular trends that are working against weight watchers. still, as a value investor, you're looking for those stocks that maybe haven't been identified or spotlighted or

focused on as much by certain investors, and those are three of them, big names we all know that are trading to discounts from where they normally trade. >> very interesting. typically, weight watchers likes to lose 50%, but not in this metric. >> maybe they're a seasonal play, right? maybe just around new year's? >> not in the summertime. >> dom, see you next hour. heading towards the close, 13 minutes left. the dow is down 50 points. no follow-through to the rally of thursday that took us to record territory, but i guess you could also say at least we're still above 17,000 right now. >> yeah, we've got that. now, we've all heard about driverless cars, but how about driverless trucks? and we mean 18-wheelers. germany's biggest truck-maker, daimler, is demonstrating one on the oaudio bon. would you feel safe driving next to one of these? tweet your thought thoughts @cnbcclosingbell. your best answers on air.

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about ten minutes left in the trading session. coming back a little bit. the dow is down a little less than 50 points right now, but still above that 17,000 mark. joining me, chris hizie from u.s. trust and rich peterson from s&p capital iq.

good to see you both. >> good to see you. >> welcome back from the holidays there. 17,000, does that matter at this point? >> it matters to day traders, weekly traders, et cetera. technical levels, things like that. but overall, over the next 10 to 12 months, you're still looking at a 8% to 10% gain. grinding it out from here. >> grinding it out from here? >> grinding out period. >> that's the thing with the market, we're hitting singles, no home runs here. >> that's the reason why it's confusing a lot of people. you know, when you grind it out, you have economic data going back and forth, you get mesmerized by certain things, then you pull out of the market, go back in the market. >> drip, drip, drip, and you look six months later and we've added that much more water to the bowl. >> here we go. >> we get earnings tomorrow with us above 17,000. does that add to expectations. >> for me, my number's 2,000, because i'm the s&p family. >> right. >> obviously, you've got earnings kicking off tomorrow with alcoa. expectations from the s&p capital iq numbers, 6.5% for 2q, up 3.4% in the first quarter. we're moving ahead. the grinding up, you know, 8%

over in the third quarter up to 11% in the fourth quarter, full-year 2014 looking at about 7.6% earnings growth. should help the market move ahead. earnings, cash, accommodation from the fed, all that put together shows a bias towards equities. >> you think earnings will meet expectations, then, this time around? >> that's what's been the typical game plan. obviously, we start with a little bit of trepidation and, overall. >> you agree? >> it's baked in the cake for this year and looking forward to next year, 126 to 128 is almost already baked into the cake. >> those numbers being? >> earnings for the s&p. >> in other words, $126 per share for combined s&p, for those of you wondering what those numbers were wanting about. there's a feeling that if the jobs numbers continue to get stronger, the fed will have to raise rates sooner rather than later. at least two houses think they'll be raising rates later this year. >> we've been earlier than that

for a while, between the first and second quarter of next year -- >> raising rates? >> they'll be raising rates, tapping on the brakes. technically, they've already started to tighten, if you consider the taper starting to tighten. the risk in the market is similar to the taper tantrum. now it will be the tantrum around a nudge in short-term rates. that's the next time to buy into the market for investors that invest only on a 12 to 24-month period. >> and the fact that we have any rate increase up from a low, low level, it's not really going to harm the market. >> but companies are going to have to start to prove themselves with earnings down the road even more, aren't they? >> plus, they have to prove it on the top line. we're seeing 4% expectation for revenue growth in the second quarter, up from 3.9% and 1.9% in the fourth quarter of 2013. >> all right. we're going to take a quick break. you're going to come back with me. we'll get to the closing countdown here. it looks like we're going to stay above 17,000, but we've got some other averages we want to look at as well. then, after the bell, kelly will be speaking with the kardashian sisters, all three of them,

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our jobs numbers, and there was a bit of a pullback in those markets. and so, we've followed that with our own market this morning. the dow coming back from those highs that we set, the all-time highs on thursday, but still above 17,000. we've been kind of bumping along that number all day. here we are down 48 points near the close at 17,019. yield on the ten-year, which had been moving up because of the jobs number on thursday, moving down today, just by three basis points, but we're still above that 2.6% level there. here's something interesting today. the secondary stocks, the small caps have had a pretty big sell-off today. that's where the selling's really been. the nasdaq and the russell 2000 both have had their worst day in about two months here, and you wonder. i mean, they have been the leaders to the up side lately. whether this is a signal of things to come here. there's the nasdaq down 36 points, and you saw the russell down there. what do you think, chris?

leadership, now they're laggards here. >> it was simple a couple months ago, as you mentioned. seems to be a big head fake. you're going to see the rotation go on in size and style throughout the rest of the year underneath the broad market, which may rise only another 3% or 4% before the peak this year. it's going to be major growth themes. and it may not just be the big pocket of small caps. rotation of the high beta names into the industrial, the energy, the laggard cyclical growth names. >> energy's been a leader this year, but industrial stocks have lagged this year. >> you talk about energy. energy's expected to be the second best performer in earnings for the second quarter. in terms of the small caps russell, i think there's concern about the rate increase, concern that maybe the fed is going to be moving more aggressively, given the jobs number last thursday. >> a rate increase would have a bigger affect on smaller than larger companies. >> exactly. >> a company we'll focus a lot on tomorrow, alcoa. they're the first to report earnings, as always. they're not the bellwether they used to be, but they're still --

>> but again, materials, again, it could be the second best performer, according to the s&p capital investments up 2% for earnings growth for materials. again, the theme there, slow and steady. so, 3% first quarter, over 6% in the second, moving higher, better improvement, better on the top-line numbers. and while there's still concern about financial engineering, how buybacks, m&a has helped the market, companies do what is necessary to meet those numbers. >> is alcoa the kind of industrial you're looking at right now? >> it actually is. world trade growth in april was the best it's been in a year coming off the terrible gdp print of the first quarter. exports coming out of emerging markets boomed this past quarter. should be a good result. >> even if rates continue to move higher here? >> it should be, because again, it's off of a very low base. the concern will be initial, and then measured rises through the next year or so. we'll move into a higher market in that. >> good to see you both. thank you for joining us today. so, we're going out with about a

50-point decline on the industrial average. and again, it's the small caps that are being hit harder today in this modest sell-off on wall street. stay tuned. kardashians join kelly coming up on the second hour of the "closing bell" for this monday. i'll see you tomorrow! thank you, bill. and welcome to the "closing bell," everybody. i'm kelly evans, and here's how we're finishing up the day to kick off the week on wall street. the dow jones industrial average off 45 points there at the close, at the market lows today it was off 76, so a little bit of a rebound towards the back half of the session. but across the board, selling pressure today after we hit that 17,000 mark for the dow last week. other indexes notching higher. the s&p 500 last week went out at 1,985. today it gives up about eight points to 1,977. and the nasdaq the underperformer, off 0.75% to 4,451. the russell 2000 was one of the worst performers today. let's talk with our panel. joining me is elan moy from the

"washington post," cnbc contributor michael of destination wealth management. our very own dominic chu and jane wells with us from california. also with us for more on today's market action is "fast money" trader tim seymour. >> hey, kelly. >> welcome to all of you. you know, we had an historic week last week. we're above 17,000, michael, and we started off today, things don't necessarily look as up. why is that? >> because we had a fantastic month. if you really think about what's been happening, the market's been rallying significantly so. we don't have any real stimulus out there to really push the market higher at this point. we need something else. oil prices have been going up. granted, they came back a little bit, but i just don't think there's enough of a stimulus right now to chase the market up until maybe we have earnings next. >> earnings, by the way, we will have alcoa on the show to talk us through what they see in terms of demand tomorrow. but tim seymour, there's also a couple confusing things happening in the market today. at least help us understand, if you can. >> i will try. >> airlines under pressure,

united, delta selling off, on the same day that oil's moving lower and people are talking about whether it's time to pile out of the energy trade. what's going on here? >> i think it's rotation. if you look at the airlines, the dynamics that have driven the airlines much higher i think are still in place. i think you have much better run companies, you have market control which is adding to 400 or 500 basis points just of earnings multiples that these guys should take on to their balance sheet. but if you look at what's happening across the space, it's been a crowded trade, it's done very well. going into earnings season, i think people are looking for places that they can find some value. they're also looking for sectors that are typically out-performing in this type of an environment. you also have a backdrop where people are concerned about inflation. and i think there's been a number of strategists and economists that have at least after last week's data points have said you're going to have to see the fed come back to play faster than expected. fed fund futures have priced this in. >> this is why i don't understand the action today, because i take your point, and yet, you have the ten-year interest rate which has barely moved and the sector leaders are telecom and utilities. that's hardly a rate-sinensitiv

play. >> i think if you look at what the market is doing, people are starting to position back into utilities and back into things that will be more defensive, if, in fact, this is the environment that we get. i think if you look at where we are right now, last week there was a lot of easy gains, it was a low volume week, it was a week where we had also the first quarter, first week of the third quarter where there was a lot of allocations that took stocks to fresh highs, and i think it's going to be a tougher week this week as we face the realities that earnings are coming here. i think earnings are going to be actually a surprise to the up side in the second quarter, but i think people are worried. >> yeah, that's what one of our guests last hour said as well. >> if we actually highlighted where the push and pull is, what you're really saying is, if inflation is an issue, people should be getting out of defensive stocks. >> right. >> now we hear, if people are concerned about the market rallying so high, they should get into defensive stocks. so, that's really the push and pull that you're really seeing right now. which side is going to win is anybody's guess, but that's really the sort of schizophrenic

market right now. >> jane wells certainly can tell us. jane? >> we look at different numbers out here. you follow those metrics. out here, we have different inflation. for example, the price of marijuana is falling and is expected to skyrocket this week as retail stores open in washington. but i've been watching two numbers today. the price of corn is at a four-year low. >> wow. >> and beef is at an all-time high. now, i realize there are fewer cattle and demand has held up pretty well, but corn has been low for some time. $4 corn is the old normal. and at some point, that low feed cost has to trickle into beef prices, and it hasn't yet. and people, you can talk about inflation, whether food prices are volatile as much as you want. food prices have been elevated for a long time and they aren't coming back down. >> they have. and jane, by the way, when i was out and about over the weekend driving around, i didn't realize just how pervasive ethanol is as a fuel now. i'm surprised that hasn't made corn prices structurally higher. >> oh, yes. well, it used to, but there is so much corn now, and it looks like it's going to be a good

year, and there are so much fewer cattle from previously high corn prices and drought, and it's taking a while to rebuild that herd up. but i still think these beef prices can't stay that high for that much longer. >> but jane, this is important for another reason, too, because we're talking about the outlook for inflation. and what you're describing are some of the inflation components that consumers are most sensitive to. so, it sounds like a lot of the price increases that we've seen in food, to your point, may be more in the past than they are in the future, or is that overstating it? >> i think, look, it's got to be supply -- -- the cure for high prices is high prices. people won't continue to pay for beef and pork. they'll buy more chicken. at that point, there will be more supply and then the feed price will get through. i don't know how long it's going to take. i feel like we should have seen it already. >> elan, what do you see in terms of price pressures and what do you make of the call for goldman being the latest, now saying, look, we think the fed's going to raise rates the third quarter of next year, fourth quarter of next year? >> and the reason is actually

because of the unemployment rate. i think the focus on inflation as a concern for the fed moving sooner than it would have otherwise is actually misplaced, that the real issue here is how far is the unemployment rate going to fall, even while we see anemic job growth and possibly anemic inflation. it's going to be -- >> anemic job growth? >> it might force the fed's hand to move. >> michael? >> yeah, i think that's true, because remember, what the fed has been saying -- bernanke actually said this before leaving the fed. his position was, we're going to let inflation run longer than people expect us to let it run -- >> there is a willingness to overshoot the target. >> -- because where we want to have unemployment be so entrenched, or new employment so entrenched, that they're not going to do the double dip depression situation. so, i think that's happen. >> it's important to note the comments made on cnbc earlier this morning. you have to remember, he's a good friend of janet yellen and her husband. and his main message was actually not that he's uncomfortable with stocks but that he felt the recovery is still pretty weak. and so, that's the message that

the fed i think is really sensitive to right now, worries that the shadow unemployment rate is still much higher than it needs to be. >> so, here's what i don't understand, though, is the employment situation in this country moving along better or worse than the fed expected? in other words, even if they want to get the unemployment rate down as much as they can, where do we stand right now? >> well, we stand at a good spot in terms of the overall macro view of things. unemployment is coming down. if the labor participation rate pretty much stays kind of where it is and we still see those numbers get better, then maybe there's a case to be made that the employment situation's getting better. but let's not forget, the shadow side of things, like ylan was saying, that's still big. >> yeah. >> i still know plenty of people out there who have been out of work for at least six to nine months, if not longer. so, that's going to be the real key. but the markets -- i mean, people always say there's a difference between the markets and the economy. i mean, they are intertwined in some way, but yes, the markets are doing a lot better, despite the fact that we still have some unemployment issues in this country. but what you are seeing is at

least investors act in a way that seems more fundamental. they're looking at stories, they're making concerted investment decisions based upon the data that they get and they're making -- say utilities, right? utilities may not be the best play overall for a rising rate environment, but they're doing pretty good this year because they want -- >> but defensive. but defensive when you have all-time highs in the market. >> right, so they're making some focused plays using story lines and expressing those interests, and that's big. >> tim, last word before we let you go. what's your favorite trade of the moment? >> well, i think materials are a place that in the second quarter, you actually look at the data -- i kind of disagree with what's just been said. i think the data's been pretty strong in the second quarter. i think you're going to see that feed through. also, look at multinationals, the weakness in the dollar. people talk about dollar strength and headwinds on multinationals when it's there. let's talk about the weakness. a lot of these companies, and take some of the staples companies, even a coke or mcdonald's, but look at some of the companies, even the auto companies that have a lot of exposure, i think those are places to look. >> tim, thank you.

>> thank you. >> stick around, everybody. catch tim seymour coming up with the rest of the "fast money" crew at 5:00. they're going to ask a top analyst why he thinks apple is the stock of the summer. don't miss that. now, another factor weighing on markets. japan on high alert as a potentially devastating super typhoon is heading towards its shores. the weather channel's kelly cass has latest details for us now. how bad a storm is it, kelly? >> i do have good news, kelly. this system has weakened a little bit over the last couple of hours. it's no longer a super typhoon. it is still packing a punch, though, although it has been downgraded to the equivalent of a category 3 hurricane that we would have in the atlantic basin. but still, you can see it is very close to the southern islands of japan, right near okinawa where cadena air force base is located, but fortunately, winds have dropped below 150, making it a category 3. 125-mile-per-hour winds right near the center of our circulation. and it's going to be moving just to the west of okinawa. still, the japanese meteorological society has issued its highest emergency

warning, meaning there could be significant storm surge with this as well as 46-foot waves offshore, and there's also going to be the threat for some of those outer rain bands to cause flooding rains and mudslides across the japanese islands. so, here's a look at our forecast, taking it just to the north and then eventually to the northeast, keeping it as a category 3 when it makes its closest pass to okinawa and then eventually turns to the right over toward the island of honshu here in japan. and by the time it reaches this area by about wednesday evening, the winds will die down to about 80 miles per hour. it's still a very dangerous storm, though, and it's going to cause a lot of heavy rain. but fortunately, it's not going to be as bad as the typhoon that devastated the philippines last year. >> kelly, thank you. appreciate it. investors sent the dow over 17,000 after thursday's blowout jobs report. former autozone ceo and chairman steve adlan says don't be fooled. the economy is actually in rough shape right now. he'll explain why he thinks so,

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welcome back. despite dow 17,000 and the lowest level of unemployment in years, my next guest warns the economy may not be as good as you think. joining me now with more, steve oglin, president of the committee of economic devel development and former chairman of office depot, former ceo of autozone. and with us, cnbc's own steve liesman. welcome to you both. steve oglin, first to you. what is your main message about the economy? >> kelly, i know some people feel very good about the economy because we've had market highs and we've got some good job numbers from last month, but i think when you get in underneath the fundamentals, they don't look good, because nothing has really changed. we've been skating sideways here for nearly five years. we were down nearly 3% in the first quarter with gdp growth. the experts say that we're going

to grow 3% in the second quarter, but that will give us a flat first half it. then if you continue that in the second half, we have only 3% gdp growth for the year. that will be the worst since the year 2001, and this will be -- this first quarter was the worst since the depth of the great recession in 2009. so, this is not a great economy, and consumer spending is not picking up here. so, we're worried about the consumer and the economy. >> is he right to be worried, steve liesman? >> i think so, and i think it little depends on what you expect. i don't think anybody's out there saying it's a great economy. i think it's more of a mystery right now. what you have is two competing sets of data, kelly. i think you have the strong job growth, seems rather imutable, it really did happen. we're averaging 272,000 over the last three months, the best three-month average we've had in a long time. and as steve said, gdp growth was minus 3% or nearly so in the first quarter. looks like we're going to bounce

back. most of the economists who i'm speaking to, kelly, right now are writing off that first quarter as an anomaly and not a sign of the weakness in the economy. then again, i don't think anybody's out there saying it's really a 3 r% or 4% economy. they're saying it's a 2% economy. if that's steve's point that we're going sideways at 2%, i think i'd agree. >> that's what i want to ask the panel as well. ylan, sideways at 2%, is that roughly the consensus at this point? because it seems like actually, the two competing schools of thought are on the one hand that the economy's about to seriously pick up, and on the other hand, that all of this has been some sort of mirage. >> i mean, 2% for the rest of this year i think is a pretty strong consensus. the question is, how much better can it really get? and the longer that we stay at this position, the less likely it is that there will be a pickup in the future, the less likely it becomes that discouraged workers move back into the workplace, the less likely it is that involuntary part-time workers can move into

full-time work and the shadow unemployment becomes permanent employment. >> that's really the issue, because we don't have the next industry to soak up all those jobs. we're in transition right now into something. whether it's energy, technology. and if you have taxi drivers that are actually attorneys because they can't find other jobs, yeah, they're employed, but in the end, that's got to hurt gdp. >> dom some. >> the interesting thing about this discussion about whether or not it relates to the markets or not is that there is a sense of optimism about what things can happen, even if there are headwinds economically speaking. and if you look at where the real gains have been, you look at some of these high beta sectors, like chris was talking about this last hour during "closing bell." there are places where optimism can abound and profit and sales growth can still happen, and they are in some industries that are more volatile. but if those are the industries that really start to drive the economy, then maybe that's eventually where things go. we've been talking so much about the oil and the shale gas boom in america, and they've created jobs, but is there something else out there that can be what

technology was in the late '80s to mid-'90? and we don't see that yet. >> what do you think, jane? >> i think we have such a psychological problem. i don't care how good you tell me the economy is, i can't believe it. we have been so burned by this recession, i feel it's like when our previous generations came out of the depression and never quite got over it. my mother-in-law would never throw anything away again. she'd take the whole turkey and everything down to the bones keep it. i feel like we just don't want to believe good news because we've been so badly burned. >> and what's interesting about that point is that if you look back on how the stock market behaved after the great depression, it was like that for decades before it got back to prior highs. this has been so different, yet the psychology seems to be the same. >> well, and i would just say, and i know the other guests have mentioned it, dom has, too. people here are going back to work and they're making less money. and people are still not keeping up with their mortgages, even though new homes are available at lower prices.

it's just this really difficult, difficult transition, at least here in california, although our unemployment rate has come way down, too. >> right. steve o ghgland, what are the prescriptions, if any? >> i think jane's right on the psychology of it, but if you look at the job numbers, they look like strong job numbers, but nearly two-thirds of those jobs created are part-time jobs, and you need something between 200,000 and 250,000 jobs a month created just to absorb the new entrants into the marketplace. remember, we've got about 1.6 million college graduates alone this year. so, again, it's not improving and it's not improving. then look at the cash on the corporate balance sheet -- >> sorry, steve, that's not accurate. the number is more like 100,000 to 125,000, given that immigration has slowed, household information is slowed. you need about 100,000 to 125,000, which is why the unemployment rate is actually coming down. and the job growth has been strong. some of it's been part-time. the part-time numbers are very volatile. i wouldn't really hang your hat on the quality of the jobs

report. we have other data showing that the quality of jobs is actually improved in the past year after being at a low level for most of this recession. >> you can talk about the quality of the jobs improving, but they're still part-time jobs, and for those people. [ everyone talking at once ] for the full year, for people who are carrying two part-time jobs, you can tell them they should feel better, but they don't. fundamentally, it's got to come down to government policy. you've got $2 trillion worth of cash on corporate balance sheets right now that are not being invested. our ceos are saying they have more confidence investing in china and other places overseas because government policy is more secure. and in this case, you know, we have a tax policy situation. the aca laws and rules are still being written. you have a situation with, you know, this great influx of debt coming on, and we simply need to revise our government policies and we need certain -- [ everyone talking at once ]

-- for governments to invest. >> government policy is part of the issue, but as jane puts it it comes back down to psychology. i speak to investors all the time in speeches. and if you ask people in an audience, i don't care what the job numbers say, if you ask people in an audience, do you feel better off, to use ronald reagan's line, do you feel better off now than you were in 2007, no one raises their hand. i don't care if their mortgages come back, i don't care if their 401(k)s come back, and that's -- >> wow. >> i don't know that the answer's necessarily government policy, considering the level of inaction we've seen in washington lately. >> well, yeah. we can talk about government policy, but is it going to happen? >> my question for steve odland is in the action of progress in washington, what are some things that your members are looking at and doing to help improve the economy improve the state of hiring? >> last word? >> yeah, and i think you're right that, you know, the question is, is there going to be action? but i think you just have to look at what's happened in december with the patty murray/paul ryan bill, which removed the sequester for two years and put debt caps in place. i think you need some small steps like that. we're seeing some.

we need more. >> what about steps from your organization? besides the government. let's assume the government's going to try hard -- >> that's what ylan's saying. >> how can you help us and give us light out of the tunnel? >> briefly. >> we were working behind the scenes for that december deal. we continue to work right now with both sides. most people in washington say that a deal's not going to happen until after the presidential election. we believe it's possible for people to act sooner. >> thank you, steve odland. thank you, steve liesman. good to see you. appreciate it, guys. you may be out of luck if your cell phone or tablet is out of power next time you fly because regulators are now requiring you to turn on your devices before you can board a plane heading to the u.s. from overseas. up next, we'll look at what's behind this change and how it could impact the future of flying. meanwhile, on the ground, some new tech sending travel shock waves. check out mercedes' new self-driving truck. it could be a boom for shipping across the country, but would you feel safe driving next to

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beyond iraq. for more on what's behind this move at the airports, we are joined now by anthony cordsman, former pentagon director of intelligence now at the center for strategic and international studies. thank you for being here. it's great to have you with us. first of all, what's your reaction to this move at the airports, requiring people to turn their devices on? would this prevent some kind of new type of bomb potentially being developed by this group, do you think? >> in general, if the device is active, there is too little space to put enough explosives to really be a major threat. so, there's a very good reason for using this test. and while we do pay a lot of attention to isis, i'd suspect that the main threat may actually be coming from al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. it's based in yemen, but it has perhaps one of the most skilled

bo bomb-makers in terrorist hands. his name is seri, and he's certainly seen as a key threat in developing new technologies. >> and is this viewed as developing separately from what's happening with isis in iraq and across that part of the region? >> well, isis is no longer affiliated with al qaeda, but the fact is, we're not talking about any one center of expertise. you have groups in pakistan, you have groups in syria and in iraq, you have groups in yemen, you have groups in north africa. and for anyone without access to intelligence to speculate as to exactly which group is involved simply misses the point. we're no longer dealing with the central structure, and we certainly aren't dealing with the threat that has the most visibility at the moment. we're dealing with a network of different groups, and each of those poses a threat. >> and that being said, for people now looking at this

travel advisory and trying to figure out how pressing the threat is to this country, without access necessarily to intelligence directly, what would you say to them? >> well, i think the fact is, do you really want to be on a plane where someone can potentially set off an explosive, depressurize the aircraft and kill you? it may be an annoyance to spend an extra 30 seconds or a few minutes, but it is rather nice to be alive. >> that's typically seen as, yeah, certainly a positive. last question, anthony, before we go, though, is what does this mean for flying, for the future of flying, do you think? it's been over a decade in this country since we have had an attack, although many have been thwarted in the meantime. is the threat level today as serious as it was before 9/11, in your opinion? >> i think, if anything, it is more serious. i suppose the good news is that

this threat has been largely directed against other targets. and most terrorist attacks are actually conducted against muslims in areas where the terrorists are based. the bad news is, there are far more centers of terrorism, we haven't defeated this at all. we've seen, actually, the centers proliferate. and people have to face the fact, this isn't going to go away, and we do have to take account of that threat and live with minor inconveniences in the process. >> okay. and we will. thank you so much for explaining it to us this afternoon, anthony cordesman. apple lured off a top executive at a watch making company. it's a move that has some betting. apple will transform the smartwatch industry in the way the ipod came to dominate the mp3 business. there were others that beat them to the business, but that story is next. also, the kardashian sisters. their brand is everywhere these

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war on watches is ticking. last fall, apple rated burberry, now it's adding another fashion executive to its team. patrick pruniaux, a executive from luxury watch maker tag heuer is cupertino bound. so, as apple gears up for the iwatch, should investors gear up to buy the shares? we're bringing in colleen taylor, tech reporter. good to see you both. lance, this move by hiring the representative from tag heuer tells you what about the iwatch? >> apple is trying to build in as much wearable and design expertise as possible in the run-up to delivery of the iwatch. and if it's already in production or very close to production, and this guy i know his expertise is in retail, this is about how to sell these things sort of as a fashion accessory, because it's not just technology, it's stuff you're wearing. >> and colleen, the iwatch at this point sounds like it's a foregone conclusion. analysts are already including it in their models. what, though, if this watch were

swiss produced? is anybody seriously talking about that possibility? >> if this watch were what? i'm sorry, i missed the question. >> swiss produced, if it were made in switzerland instead of china? >> that could make a big difference. we know that watches are a status symbol. this is a luxury market. this isn't just another gadget. and so, apple knows that it has to go about this in a different, more creative way with some finesse. i think that these latest executive hires from eve st. laurent, bushesh erie and tag hr show that. i think these are smart moves. samsung has already come out with watches and they haven't been the biggest hits. they're technologically impressive, but we at tech crunch in our reviews have said design is the weak point here with the wearables we've seen thus far. >> exactly. >> right. it's interesting, this when i saw the news reports about the tag heuer executive being hired, and all of a sudden, now it's swiss made. just because he worked for tag

heuer can really, really actually take that leap that it's going to be made in switzerland? >> no. >> that would be a pretty major leap, wouldn't it? >> and to be clear, this is pure speculation i'm engaged in, but it's interesting to read the reports and tag has tried to develop a smartwatch. >> it has. the reports i saw that were some were actually saying that they had to hire this guy in order for it to be swiss made. so, i don't really quite get what that's all about. i guess you could say designed in switzerland, manning in hong joe, i guess? >> it's just -- i really truly doubt it's going to be swiss made, but it is, as everybody's saying, it's about the expertise, it's about his knowledge of the industry. selling, you know, selling a watch to people is so different than, for example, selling an ipod, right? the ipod arrives, everybody recognizes it as the best music player. is there a single best watch out there? they are so personal. i mean, we're figuring that apple's going to deliver multiple designs. and what apple wants to know is how do you sell those products

to people when they're not looking for function, they're looking for something beyond that, that is an intangible that you can't explain, but oh, my gosh, it looks so gorgeous on my wrist. oh, and by the way, it does all this other stuff. >> lance, are we glossing over the function here, actually? i mean, what are these watches actually going to be able to do? and some of the reports i read mention that the battery life is a real issue here. how likely is it that we're going to have to take them off, recharge them every few hours? what advances have been made on the functionality that will convince us to buy it in addition to the fashion. >> jane? >> i'm wondering -- first of all, i think it's ironic that apple, which probably single-handedly did more to hurt the watch business is bringing it back. i'm no longer wearing one. is anybody bothered by the possibility of wearing a processor against your skin, kind of like google glass, all day, hours and hours and hours right against your body? >> no. >> no. >> am i -- >> we should be more concerned that we're carrying it in our pocket. i mean, seriously. >> okay.

>> or your purse. >> i don't carry it in my pocket. >> but you've got your phone in your pocket, but just answer that other question about battery life is a huge concern. i wear a pebble watch, all right? i've been wearing it, and why do i wear a pebble watch? because it's great battery life. >> because you have to? >> it's great battery life. anything that doesn't deliver multiday battery life that you wear on your wrist i think is going to be a problem. >> colleen, i mean, here's my question. i mean, the design -- i'm with you here, the design thing is going to be the key sticking point for me. i wear a watch because i still like wearing a watch, but it's a very personal thing for me. my younger brother doesn't wear a watch and only uses a smartphone. >> right. >> so, when you hire somebody like a tag heuer sales executive, you are obviously targeting at least an area of expertise about trying to get people to buy a certain type of product, so what does a smartwatch then have to be so that it can be something that we would all want to buy and not just an accessory piece? >> last word, colleen? >> i think it has to be the kind

of device that would bridge someone like you and someone like your brother and make them want to buy something kind of new. i think that the watch space has been a space that's been very profitable for hundreds of years here, and so, we need to have a device that's going to bring some new people into the fold that still respect that old tradition. and i think apple is going about this, if anyone can really make this work, i think it's going to be apple. we're all sitting and waiting to see what they come out with, and i think it's going to be something pretty good. >> jane, is that your watch? >> it's a really big watch. i can tell time from across -- i don't need glasses. >> it's incredible! it's so heavy, though. >> beautiful. >> what time is it? >> got to be heavy after a while, though. >> samsung's making phones bigger. maybe that's the next version -- >> looking better and better. lance and colleen, really appreciate it. daimler is rolling down the highway with a new truck, except this one has no driver. the so-called future truck is an 18-wheeler that could revolutionize trucking, but what could it mean for those of us driving cars?

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fast becoming financially savvy businesswomen, and now kim, kourtney and khloe are expanding their multiplatform brand into a girls' clothing line in a collection called kardashian kids. our own courtney reagan is in new york's union square at babies "r" us with the famous trio here in a cnbc exclusive. courtney? >> reporter: that's right, kelly. i am joined by all three kardashian sisters. it's quite a treat today. we're sitting in the babies "r" us section of kardashian kids, one of your new lines and some of the new items. we've got some new mom, the new mom, kim, right here, and of course, we've got an expectant mother sitting here with us as well. so, kourtney and kim what makes the kardashian kids collection so special? >> you know, i think we were really wanting to bring fashion and high fashion to a babies line but still keep it really affordable. and you know, kourtney started -- when we thought of the line, she was pregnant with penelope. so, she had a really big hand in designing our first collection. and now since i've had my baby,

i really understand how important it is to have pieces that are extremely functional, a certain kind of fabric, so you kind of have it all mixed in, right? i'd say you definitely have some baby experts really helping design this line. >> that's true. and kourtney, there's a lot of retailers that i'm sure would love to work with you. so, how did you pick babies "r" us? why babies "r" us? >> i think babies "r" us is definitely the experts when it comes to babies, and they allowed us to keep our clothing at an affordable price, which was one of the most important things to us, and still trusted in us and believed in us to have these high-fashion pieces. so, i think it was a perfect fit. so, we were thrilled to, you know, partner up with babies "r" us with this collection. >> and khloe, this is certainly not your first foray into clothing. there is another women's line you have at sears, the kardashian collection. i understand you're wearing and tweeting and instagraming some of the collection today as well.

>> yes. >> so, sears has struggled a bit with sales, but your collection has done well. do you define that relationship as a success? >> yeah, i mean, for us, i think sears was the perfect fit for our clothing line just as babies "r" us is for kardashian kids. i think with that as well, it really let us express that we wanted to have the same thing, really cute, great fashion and affordable price to hit our consumers all over the united states, and i think it really did that. >> and we're international in other stores as well and online, and you know, our kardashian collection just does extremely well. so, that's why we really saw the response from launching it at sears, and we really, really wanted to do a kids line. and now we kind of partner up and do our, like, khloe kind of calls it our mommy and me, where we take our women's collection and kind of just shape it down and make it into a baby collection, so it's the same prints and patterns and color palette, and it kind of just looks really cute if you and

your baby want to dress alike. >> it's definitely working for you. i think kelly has a question. >> i do. i do, courtney, thank you. and it's good to see everybody. kim, i just have a question, which is, you guys have already sold so much merchandise, kind of to your point you were just making, you're all over the world. you are, in fact, a businesswoman, but yet, even when we talk about having you guys on the program, people kind of roll their eyes and they dismiss you guys as just reality tv stars. do you struggle with getting taken seriously as a businesswoman? and is it your effort over time to become more and more of one? >> i mean, absolutely. we started -- it is a struggle, and we started off working opening up our dash clothing store, you know, a decade ago, over a decade ago, and that's -- you know, we really started off in fashion. we've always been really hard-working girls, and we were fortunate enough to have a tv show. and when we started filming, we did it for the thought of

bringing publicity and awareness to our clothing store. so, fashion has always been our number one, and it's always been -- you know, we are businesswomen, we're entrepreneurs. and i think when you do have a reality show, people assume that it's just a ton of bar fights and it has this negative connotation, when in actuality, that's -- you know, we definitely do fight and we're really honest and really open with our family life, and we pride ourselves in doing that as well, but i think that you can be both, and there's so many, you know, i think grounds that we want to cross or lines that, you know, people think that you can't really be both and do the same or do both at the same time, but we do our best to kind of break that. >> kourtney kardashian, what is the kardashian brand? what does it stand for? >> that was for you, kourtney, yeah. >> okay, sorry. i think that we only take on projects that we're really passionate about and we always

say we're a brand for our fans, because through social media, we're so lucky to see what people are asking us for, what they're looking for. and so, we really design what we like but also take our fans in mind, you know, their opinions -- >> but i think our brand is, you know, we're all about empowering other women to be success fful, and you know, we encourage our little sisters to work hard and be successful, and i think we're a beauty brand and a fashion bra brand. and yeah, i mean, like she said, a brand for our fans, but we love fashion and beauty, and that's, you know, who we are and what we work towards. >> and khloe, just a question for you along this line as well. i mean, i can remember the early days when touched spend a lot of time in the store, and retail definitely was number one for you guys. is it your priority going forward that that's how you spend your time and what you build your life around? >> definitely. i think my sisters and i, our

focus is always going to be about fashion. it's going to be our first and foremost, and that was here before the shows. it's going to be here after the shows. and you know, we're really in the process of trying to expand our dash stores and focus on that and take that international. and yeah, that's our baby and that's something that we've put our heart and soul into and we want to continue to do so. >> kim, do you think that there's a point at which the kardashian brand or empire gets too big, where, perhaps attaching your name to a product or endorsing a kind of service loses its cacheache? are you careful about that? >> absolutely. we're real careful about that. i think last year we re-evaluated what our brand is and what it stands for and we stopped putting our name on things. we really wanted to be only involved in things, like kourtney was saying earlier, things we're extremely passi passionate about and something we own. not just putting our name on a brand and another product. if we genuinely love the product and it makes sense, we would

totally be open to some sort of collaboration, but we genuinely only want to take part in things that really we own and we have ownership in and that means something to us. and now i think when you do have kids, you totally reprioritize your life. you know, now that i'm married, i would so much rather spend time with my husband and my family and my baby than run around the world working for other people. so, i think that we have really prioritized and made that. >> i think kelly has a question, almost hitting on that point. >> exactly. so, kim and everybody, there's been this debate back and forth for some time about whether women can be successful in the workplace and raise families or whether those two things are fundamentally at odds. one of the most high-profile female ceos, indra innooy, recently made comments against the fact that you can have it all. take a listen and then i want your thoughts. >> i don't think women can have it all. i just don't think so.

we pretend we have it all. we pretend we can have it all. you know, my husband and i married for 34 years? and we have two daughters. but if you ask our daughters, i'm not sure they will say that i've been a good mom. i'm not sure. in the sure they will say that i have been a good mom. i'm not sure. >> oh. i think that's not really like a positive outlook and for me like my mom kind of taught us girls we could have it all. she worked hard. she taught us if you work hard, it's all ability prioritizing and i think that, yeah, it could get tough and after you have a baby, there are so many times i didn't want to get up and work on something and i wanted to be home with my baby, but, you know, for me, i think i can speak for my sisters, it makes us feel good when we are out working and we can provide something for our friends and products that, you know, we can't find that we really want. it just makes you feel

productive. so if anyone really feels like they can't do it all, i feel like it's a little bit discouraging to say that, even ficould be and it wasn't possible, i would try and i would try my best to do it all. >> i do. i think my biggest struggle as a mom has been balancing the two. but i do think it's possible. i just think it's like you feel guilty. >> you have to balance. >> to find that balance. i used to feel so guilty every time i left and, you know, you but. >> there is no cookie cutter way. it's whatever works for your life and your kreerd and your family. no two families are the same. no two wants are the same. i think you have as to find what works best for new your home. >> hopefully, we can figure out how it all works for you all. it's been a treat. for now, back to kelly at the new york stock exchange. >> courtney reagan. our thanks to you for all of that now. imagine flying from new york to

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