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profits are rising. profits are rising. i think a lot of people are missing the election story him i think you will get a lot of pro growth legislation. >> we shall see. larry kudlow, kate, carol, thank you, everybody for being here. hopefully we will know. "fast money" is coming up with melissa lee. >> we will take it from here. "fast money" starts right now i'm melissa lee. dan nathan, steve grass so, a number of stocks, including cyber community fireeye which is sinking, we'll dig dopamineer into these numbers coming up first, crude is hitting a three-year low today, falling below $76 bucks a barrel. many say this is a tax break for consumers. crude oil's drop can actually be a bad sign for stocks. steve, what do you say?
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>> i think it's a demand problem. then it's a bad sign for stocks. it was a lot worse. golden makes that call. $75 bucks. trading at $80. not exactly cutting edge on that call. they have been wrong on directionality before. they are probably wrong again. i think you are in for a little roller coaster here. refiners, no 1 spot to play. >> the long side the service names. >> and the service names, you have to worry about where that cap x issue is. i think you are going out a little headway here with that burden. you want to go with companies that are specific to fracking on the oil side, not the gas side. there is much more competition, so exclusive. >> they're leading us. they're putting pressure on the overallstockmarket. >> i'm short xlp.
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xlp was my final trade. i think you stay short those. we are looking. whether it's a demand or supply issue. oil teams to be going lower. the oil curve is telling us there is plenty of supply. china is slowing down, europe is slowing down. that's eroding demand. so for me, i stay short i would say at around $70 wt i, there is some support there. >> on a technical basis. >> you got to start thinking, at some point here, things will reverse. >> i can't let that blavg et statement go. tessaro is up 24%, so there are things that it benefits. but there are pockets of strength in the oil sector. >> there are parts that are beneficiaries and parts that aren't the energy space. it only seems to turn be every the fundamental also do. so the fundamentals for the
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services are horrific. every day there is an announcement of a lower price. but i don't think you can wait until they actually turn. you miss the movement here. one of the names, cst brands which owns convenience store gas stations and gas stations, gas has a thin margin. all the slim jim or whatever it's called that's a huge margin. so people spend half that savings in the convenience store where the margins are 30-plus percent that's a big margin. it's spun out of valero. it's interesting. >> i don't know if demand or supply is a combination of all. if you think what crude oil has done over the last five years. it's been in a tight range. i'm looking at a chart here from 2011. it's really been between 120 and 80. it's going now at the low end of it. i just remember back if 2008 when crude oil went from 140
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down to 35. it wasn't a tax brake, people. it was a real demand issue. it was speaking to really what is going on in the economy. i think it's hard to put your finger up in the air and say we're close to the bottom based on a technical situation. i think the continuation of the horrible price action will flow over to at risk assets. i don't know when. >> are you sure anything? >> my worst years ago i took a shot on the xle on the uso. i took a shot at chevron. i'm kind of almost out of them. that's positionings me a little bit to be overly negative here. >> let's bring in the global head of energy analysis at oil price information service. he joins us on the "fast" line. tom, great to speak with you. >> hi, happy birthday. >> thank you, tom. very sweet of you. we just heard larry kudlow on the 4:00 show say no one cries at the pump, because prices are
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lower. at this time of the year when demand is seasonally lower, would we see that boost to the economy we would normally see if this were spring or driving season? >> i don't think so, people won't drive no more, prices are 75 vents cents lower. the question is whether or not they pump it into the economy for other retailers. now it was mentioned before that gasoline retail is a great place to be right now. i would agree with that. we seen 60 days of the highest retail margins, even though prices are plunging. the actual companies that sell the gasoline love this. >> in terms of what happens with oil, one trader says it seems like some sort of a floor. what do you see particularly with the opec meeting coming up on the 27th? >> i don't give much credence to the opec meeting. to be honest with you, you couldn't know where the it is,
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it's up to them. they have it within their power to cut back or to get some of the non-po peck producers to cut. without that, we are looking at an oversupply in 2016. not necessarily now. we're looking at the need for perhaps a billion barrels of additional storage and crude if supply and demand crudes don't change in the next 14 months. >> where do you stand on whether it's a supply or demand problem or both? >> i think it's a little of both. mostly a supply problem. everyone is running smooth. even the libyans right now. you got new oil coming on in brazil. i think goldman sachs recognized that in the paper they put out last weekend. believe my, them being bearish on oil, it's not something you normally see. so i do think there is a supply problem. it's not beyond the power of opec and non-opec countries to address it.
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we find that as relative an athema to the u.s. that's not how capitalism works either. >> thank you for your time. >> take care. >> all right. so brian kelly, i'm asking because the corollary trade to oil is what we are seeing with the canadian dollar and norwegian -- >> you seen the canadian dollar today hit a five-year low today. a lot of the canadian banks have done poorly. canada has had a bubble. they say the banks are capitalized. when you have the main export going down, it's a problem. for me, i am short the u.s. dollar. i am short ewc, which is the canadian, you can take a look at the canadian banks. >> is the money being saved at the pump going into other retailers? i know costco had good comps. aside from that, we had disappointments from cars last
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night. to me, this earnings or holiday season will be telling here. the guidance will be very telling because if you don't have retail picking up the slack. >> it is tanking in the after hours session. dom. >> melissa, down about 2003%. the cyber security company missed revenue expectations for the third quarter. this is its fourth straight quarter. the company is losing 51 cents a share. its fourth quarter revenue guidance was lowered slightly. they took down the lower end for the full year in heavy trading about four.5 million shares again fireidown 22%. the company did say it's billions from new and existing clients did hit record levels. being over to you.
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>>. >> we have fireeye, it should be in a sweet spot of business. >> exactly right. they are saying they are having record bookings. to me it comes down from the fish rots from the head. if you have poor management. >> you don't want to mills our interview. that's tomorrow right here on ""fast money."" coming up next, a from apple supplier, we will talk to a semi conductor company. dan, still reeling with jealousy over bk's bombing. but today, he says, we're here for one internet name. the big reveal is up next. s? 24/7 it's just i'm a little reluctant to try new things. what's wrong with trying new things? feel that in your muscles? yeah... i do... try a new way to bank, where no branches equals great rates.
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ali baba is getting a boost of reporting a rise in revenue. so where does the ecommerce go from here? bob peck has a buy rating on the stock him if there is one thing we could be concerned about, it
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was the ebitda margins went down for a quarter. watch me not be worried about that. >> they already got it, like we saw back in facebook. what is important if you back out the acquisition they did the market is actually 54% vs. the 50%. tremendous margins across any of the internet platforms you look at. >> in terms of the t-mobile, that's a surprise to the upside. that's actually better. it generates more in the market. so what kind of guidance did the company get or what sense did you get that there were more luxury brands signing up? >> that grew, all the divisions accelerated. we hosted a conference call with someone that advises top brands. they said demand was absolutely tremendous across ali baba. they are sort of the portal into china. think of the chinese not as a
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geography but a demographic, when traveling abroad. >> is it the core business? how do they avoid not having what melissa started off the question with, you do they avoid not having an amazon moment? >> i think the biggest thing we're excited is the mobile take rate. it was up over 30% or so, narrowing the gap in desktop. fantastic. our initiation report from last week, tear hands are everywhere. they are in streaming. they are in travel. they're in commerce. it's not just an ebachlt it's a way of life. >> is it so early we don't have to be worried about a slowdown in the chinese economy? >> in our report, we report the number one risk we think is chinese gdp. the no two risk is interference from the global economy.
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it can hurt stock. >> still a buy? >> still a buy. >> no red phone, but still here. >> let's trade here. you said last night any pullback you would recommend buying you blinked, you missed it. >> i think they thought a lot of good fuse was in the stock. here's the thing. i think this is a supply-demand issue here. although it was a massive deal, there are some of the biggest mutual funds in the planet. we're accumulating their long-term positions here. that was very evident by the price market in the pre-market. it was down 1 or 2%. it closed up 4%. >> you closed your eyes and buy at this point? >> i do see this closing at the highs of the year it could be right here. i do not see a meaningful pullback. >> would you buy full position? >> i want to see it consolidate
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in the mid-90s. it didn't happen. >> isn't it great to see dan positive about something? >> next up. michael kors, the sales guidance for the holiday quarter coming in large le below estimates. so stock prices is all about expectations most retailers cob ecstatic to have these numbers on almost every front macys, i do own. i think this was overdone. you have a moment item name when they miss a little, you get a contraction multiple. this is approaching a value territory. >> i would be concerned michael kors is devoted to the
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discounted brands. >> right. and it doesn't, well, it's not meeting expectations at the very least. i think the other thing you have to be concerned within i saw in this is a kind of a change in the way investors are looking at buybacks. >> i think it's a change in the momentum base. >> may be. >> in momentum. at 100, you had to know eventually earnings would slow. i didn't think it would happen now. >> oddly enough, the chart looks great, the ecommerce business. they're managing square footage a lot better than they did, wrapping up into christmas, i think for the first time, best buy looks good on a lot of fronts. >> yesterday, it was the camel that took the nation by storm.
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today dan nathan has one that's more scarier. >> watch and learn. this was interesting. it kind of is interesting juxtopposed to ali baba when you think about it. look at this, google has not made a new high with the market. the s&p, it is a big component. its one of the largest companies in the u.s. look at this, this is a one-year chart. this was the high the all time high made back in march. here it is early in the summer. this is ali baba ipo this stock has not gone anywhere. these two lines, the purple and the grey, that is declining. that is a momentum indicator. this is the 200 day. it's a death cross. here's the thing. it's a technical indicator some technicians use. it usually means lower prices. i just want to make one really important point here you know the last example we had of the
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death cross is the russell 2,000. i'm using the iwum. topped out early in the year. made a series of lower highs, showing really poor relative strength to the s&p and what happened here in september, the 50-day cross below the 200, we had basically a 10% decline. we have since made it back here. really, what we're using these technical indicators is an input based on what we are seeing of across multiple different inputs. from a technical standpoint, the won'ting momentum in google and the death cross suggests we could see lower prices in the year end. >> the only thinking, it's extremely unreliable. we had a death cross event. that was the time to buy. what is the better predictor is
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the golden cross. that's where you put more credence -- to the upside. that has a little better history of the death cross. >> what is interesting about that, grasso. i want to say. >> here's the thing, this doesn't stick out to you guys like sore thumb. this was a massive bull market leader for years and years, since your golden cross, since everything. >> i actually bought a december put spread. i'm looking for low 500s over the next couples. this stock feels like momentum is going lower. >> coming up next, could one rumors apple supplier now be a key undercover housing play? we'll talk to the semi conductors. crude oil hits $75 a barrel. stay tuned.
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zblmpbls welcome back to ""fast money."" the travel website missed earnings forecast for the third quarter. now it earned 48 cents a share. that was 12 cents lower than the average analyst on wall street. >> that clock is currently you see there down about 13% on the after hours trade so far. >> this space ready for the session because of what priceline said. >> i don't know why that was a big surprise. this company is executing very well. we know there was a lot of reasons why travel might have been disrupted. this is a company you think about it, they're expected to grow earnings in sales 30% below
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that trading 17 tiles that next year it's probably a buy. >> annex pre-semi the chip with smart if phones, outside of phones, the company is involved in hearing aids and can be under the radar housing play with products that help power appliances, joining us is the ceo and president. >> good afternoon. thank you. >> tell me about what the driver is in terms of being in appliances at this point. where is the growth being seen? >> for us it's about security and comfort and ease of use so what we're focused on is so we make things easy for people. people talk about the internet of things. we think it's more incliefs. we are focused on secure connections for the smarter world.
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>> such as give us an example. >> so part is lighting, for example, where you can actually dim or turn our lights off by your smartphone ability to control your lighting. produce energy. we think that will be significant in china. each of the provinces have energy objectives. we have a strong position in china. we are working with the cell phone company on a transit ticketing solution that's been discussed in the last few days. >> in terms of the u.s. market and the smarter, safer connection here how much of this is dependent on a strong housing market. is penetration so low for these devices? >> that's absolutely the case. this is all incremental. it's all in the future. people talk about the internet of things being 50 billion items by the year 2020. so we want to take and drive a
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total solution. it makes things better for people. >> i get the pay angle. to push back a bit, is this trying to draw the attention on a lot of these other things because of a china slow down because you are so dependent? i hate to ask you a tough question. i think is that where we're trying to drive the attention to, because are you so dependent on china? >> not at all. it's more about the solutions we offer sleerly being the leader and the opportunity that exists. there is a lot-of-our customers rolling out mobile payments similar to apple pay. we see a lot of momentum associated with that. the opportunity to use the smartphone as the tool for e-telling much beyond the mobile wall set significant. the chosen, half of the revenue is not a significant application that makes a difference for your
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customers. it's the key. >> for the mobile payments versus the newer makes of appliances, what's the margin differential there? >> when you do something under the smartphone market, we try to insure we still make our operating income targets. we try to run around 26% operating, which we believe is top tier, not the best, but we're really focused on insuring we drive growth faster than our peers, so if you look at over the last few years, we've outgrown our industry three to five times, depending on whose analyst report you believe. so that allows us to drive a significant growth in our earnings confounded over the last four years is under 40%. >> you mentioned smartphones, analysts say tomorrow, one concern of analysts is your share of apple revenue is
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getting bigger, some peck it 9 to 10% of revenue. it's sam where around what is it 50, 55 or 60% of incremental revenue growth. >> i think it's a fair statement relative to gross margins, which you know a lot of the self siders on wall street look at. we're focused on ebitda margins. that's what drives cash flow and makes a difference for our shareholders an creates the shareholder value we are trying to focus on as a company. >> thank you. we have to leave it there. what's your trade? >> i actually made money on the stock. i love it. >> i fall in love with stocks i like to hold them a long period of time. this one i had to clip the
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profit. i think it moves probably on my final trade. it's a huge thing. >> it's my final trade. guess what dan's will be i think the chip technology is the driving force. coming up next, oil prices fall, we take a deeper dive. next, why the stock could see a move of over 10% a little later on. cute little guy, huh? this guy could take down your entire company. .
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. >> welcome back to "fast.." we are talking eog resources up about 5.5%. this is a $50 billion oil and gas production company. the company comes out with earnings of $1.31 that narrowly beats estimates on sales of $5.1 billion, which handily tops estimates. the company did raise it's 2014 total production growth target to 16.5% to a 14%. so for all talk about oil and gas companies getting hit hard, one where some investors are starting to nibble up in the after hours. back over to you, guys.
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>> let's get to the airlines. it's sending airlines higher. let's bring in jeremy baker, he is rated as the no. 1 airline analyst. great to have you with us. >> hey, melissa. >> eb says there has to be a correlation. you did the work, you found there is a correlation between rising airline stocks. >> that's right. i don't think anybody could look an investor in the eye with a straight face and tell them that lower fuel is anything but a huge positive for airline earnings. that's right. >> there could be a concern that airlines could be on that capacity. it doesn't cost that much to add those flights and those seats. the airlines will lose the discipline they got over the last few years. >> the airlines always have to be cognizant of what the profit
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i take profits here. >> bloomin' brands. >> those onions, those things are fantastic. everybody else agrees with bk because the earnings.
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at 19, feel a boy. >> bk would be? >> town 21%. >> it seems to be. they put out earnings disappointing in a number of fronts, not horrendous. they talked about a little less pressure on their sales people. i think that was a part of the reason as well as a terrible in fact. there is a 43% short interest who knows on the long side. i think it's "war games." . >> drop in health care down 6%. >> there is a pre-tax expense for them. that took the wind out of both sales. this will be used you will see
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. >> welcome back to "fast money." stock is moving marginally lower in the after hours session. the sandwich shop makeer posted better rules. they're a bit better than the street was expecting. the shares down about 2%. it says it is expected to open 48 new shops this year him they expect flat to negative low comparable store sales that may be helping him back over to you. >> dan nathan, what would be your quick trade? >> it's been a real typical trade this year. you think about mcdonald and yum. i think you go to a mcdonald's. a dow trade. you wait. if you see this there 90 at the end of the year. >> domino's pizza. >> sorry. shameless. weight loss nutrasystem posted
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better-than-expected snorkeling. can the package product keep up with diet trends? joining us is the ceo and president. great to see you again. >> thanks, same here. >> let's talk about new problems. one is for type ii diabetes. you mentioned it costs the health care system $160 billion a year. what is the market for that product? >> year two diabetic patients. if you go through the aisles in any supermarket, there is very little choice. so we introduced this kit, breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks. the no. 1 diabetic aisles in the market. >> how do you look at type ii diabetes nutrasystem products?
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>> we get consumer as well as retail. 10% of our business is attracting the diabetic market targeting to them. >> a lot of people don't want food out of a box. what are you doing to get over that hump? >> woe are looking at those market trends. we are testing in california, simply fresh. it's a program we are testing in california. >> first quarter, all important diet season. that doesn't necessarily portend momentum. what do you see for first quarter trends? >> we feel we have good momentum heading into diet season and it's about innovation. we just talked on our earnings yesterday about new partnerships with amazon, wal-mart, expanding
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our relationship with wal-mart, coming out with a marketplace with amazon, trying to be where the customers are in retail virtually and at home. >> i want to talk to you about the clinton group. it's made big splash in terms of what it wants you to do, to sell it to private equity and raise the dividend if 2015 by 10%. have you had discussions? they say in 2015 at the very least, you can return capital to the investors on the order of 10% to the dividend. >> right now we get 10% of our investors. we take all our investor feedbacks seriously. we look at different "options action" as how best to use our cash going forward. >> do you acknowledge the momentum you have seen in the past couple of quarters, prior to the one you reported, it's divergent with the results
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improving, yet it has been along wishing. basically it was flat. >> i look at horizon, when i joined two years ago, the prices more than doubled. we are pleased with our progression and there is a lot of momentum headed into 2015. >> you can't help but look at weight watchers, the 800 pound guerrilla is a pad pun. is there an opening for you there? they're much bicker than you are. they're stumbling. they got debt. can you take advantage of anything from their stumbling? >> sure. i think we're looking very closely at how we differentiate ourselves from them. so they are more of a service provider, we are more of a product provider we tend to be the diet the weight loss program when others fail. there is a lot of people turning to us. >> we'll leave it there. the ceo of nutrasystem.
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you looked at the space. >> i have. i locked at it at 8. now it doubled. i missed the both here for a while. >> but there is a trade in year end if you talk about the seasonal factor. a pull back to 14 or to 12, that would be good. in january, people will be buying this stock to catch that trend. >> tesla, the stock could be a 10% move this week. say it isn't so. no longer in scotland. much more "fast money" after the break.
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tesla reports earnings back tomorrow. "options action" traders are reporting on a big move. dan went back to the smartboard to break it down. >> i want to make one point. a couple weeks, the stock was down in a wall street article saying maybe demand wasn't as high for their cars or electric cars because they're offering
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incentives. elon musk tweeted record sales. >> that sort of movement in a very short period of time is what jacks options price, when you think about what the implied moving "options action" is, we can figure that out. so you know the "options action" market applied, a one-day move for following their results in about 9% for the week. that's versus the 4th quarter one day move of 9%. the stock was about 237.50. if you look at the money weekly straddle on the call and the put, that costs about $21 bucks. that's 9%. there is your implied move for the week. i want to take a look at the cart. the stock is up vacate% year-to-date. it's about 15% off the recent highs here. if you look at this, we were talking about moving averages. it's held that moving average
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very well for the whole year here. so when you think about it. here's a stock that is obviously speculative. it's expensive to have a volatile event here you may be looking at an indicator, option prices while expensive can get a pretty good earn out if you get the direction right. >> for more "options action," check out the like show every friday t. latest edition of the whiskey bible naming a bhis can i from japan as the world's best, joining us for reaction. necklace, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> i can imagine you think that is ridiculous. >> it breaks my heart. >> this particular is absolutely outstanding. no questions asked. however, having said that, i don't think it was the best in
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the world. the difference is that the fact that whiskey drinkers don't drink like vodka drinkers. they drink one brand so there is whiskey on the road for every person. that's a part of the fun. >> when you have that, that makes that bottle much more valuable. is that true? >> in all honesty, the difficulty is getting a hold of that bottle. there is only a handful of bottles, a handful of cases made so it's not sheer volume. give or take about $140 a bottle. what is interesting about in. it shows the past single malls, not just from scotland, but from japan, from taiwan. from across the world.
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>> when you think of whiskey. it's scotland, ireland, so what happened? >> we create and develop these whiskeys from scotland. it's coming up taiwan, especially. >> do you have any drinks with you? >> i'm glad you say. >> don't show the knees. actually, we're going to make a little special drechg and fact, so i brought in a variety of different whiskeys. this in particular to show they're not all scottish single malt. this is an american single malt
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from washington to seattle. it's absolutely wonderful. it's his birthday. so happy birthday. so we actually created a cocktail called the melissa lee whiskey team. it starts with about one and 1.75 ounces. >> we have a ginger liquor. so just over half and then in order to bring an american meeting the chinese, we want grown tee concentrate, three of quarters of an inch of that and fin finally you fill up a beaker.
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get the largest teaspoon you can find offhand. stir this up. >> i got to say. is this is a first birthday on the air. >> old on. wait a second. whoa, whoa, whoa. first of all, i missed my invitation. obviously, i'm not getting to indulge in this whiskey-a-go go. we can sing happy birthday. we have karen. so on the count of three, i want everybody to sing. ready, one, two, three. [ music playing ] ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ happy birthday dear melissa. >> happy birthday to you. >> it's an hour show.
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>> we only have until the top of the hour. >> happy birthday, pam. drink this. >> i'll drink this for you. >> thank you. >> oh, that's delicious that is great. thank you so much. >> guy, thank you for calling in. >> right on. >> we'll be right back. stay tuned. [ music playing ] .
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. >> final trades around the horn. dan. >> google, my near term bear says the ends of the year down near 520. >> grasso. >> this is my favorite show. >> more room to climb higher. >> karen. >> foot locker down a lot, ken hicks will be retiring. he is great. the enbech is deep. i'm a buyer. >> bk. >> first of all, a happy birthday to melissa lee. i think we should have a birthday for you every day. >> i think so this is not a bad way to end the show.
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>> whiskey tea is it called? final trade. >> that's your final trade, nicholas. >> of course, everyone should have one of these. >> all right. thanks, so much for watching. thanks to everybody who made my >> happy birthday, mel. my mission is simple. to make you money. i'm here to level the playing field for all investors. there's always a bull market somewhere. and i promise to help you find it. "mad money" starts now. hey, i'm cramer. welcome to "mad money." welcome to cramerica, other people want to make friends, i'm just trying to save you a little money. my job is not just to entertain you but to educate and coach you. so call me at 1-800-743-cnbc. tweet me at jim cramer. be polite. worked on this all day. i don't know how else to put it.

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