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particularly from overseas are more security conscious than ever. again, there are three in this apartment. >> i only want a solid gold toilet that doubles as a punch bowl for parties. >> you're a simple guy. >> ew that sounds gross. >> 10:00 eastern time, "lives of the super rich." "closing bell" starts right now. i grossed myself out. and we do welcome you to "closing bell" for monday i'm bill griffith at the stock exchange. >> and i'm michelle caruso-cabrera in for kelly today. we have just been slip sliding away here through all the major averages late in the session. if it were to close above 5,000, the only the third time since 2000. >> it's not looking good right now. we're four points below that. it got up to 5,042. >> back in march.
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>> 48 was the intraday height that it hit. >> the closing high was 5,042 back in march. >> the apple watch watch continues with orders reported at over $1 million on day one. they sold out in a couple of hours online. >> i think it was 1 million watches. >> you said dollars. >> did i say dollars? >> it's a mistake we make freely. >> what will be the real big seller for the bottom line? this would be the new mac book. >> yes. >> very thin starting at $1,300. some think that this could be a major driver for apple's profits. that's what they're really watching right now. >> 90 minutes from now, spacex is scheduled to launch a rocket from cape canaveral. they will attempt to reland the booster portion of the rocket the portion that normally explodes, goes away. they're going to try to land it
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on a ship in the atlantic ocean, so they can reuse it again. >> elan musk wants to be -- reuse this to save money and so forth. other thing is they have an italian astronaut, a woman on the international space station that's gone all this time without her cappuccinomaker. you have an espressomaker on board. she's been drinking instant coffee all this time. >> it is a step down for an italian. it's an italian cappuccinomaker they're trying to get up to her. >> so much coming up here. let's get to the markets and see how we stand right now. the dow, as michelle was saying we're fading into the last hour of trade, down 61 points at the moment, back below 18,000. s&p is down 6. there's the nasdaq. we were love 18,000 in the dow. we were above 5,000 on the
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nasdaq. we're back below those two key levels as we go into the final hour of trade. let's go to renee norris back with us today. jeff killburg from kkm financial out in chicago, anthony chan from chase is with us here at the new york stock exchange so is steven wood from russell investments and so is kenny polkari. kenny p. i want to start with you. the market is rean dering today. this is an important week isn't it? >> it's a big week as well as on the microfront and the macro front. there's no reason to jump out in front of it. you're not sure which way it's going to go. the macro reports will get better. what are we going to hear from the stronger dollar the future guidance? there's no reason for big asset management to jump in front of it. quite honestly trading around this flat line feels like it's
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the right thing for the market to be doing. >> jeff do you agree? of those two factors we were talking about, all the economic data we were going to watch to tell us whether or not this recent slowdown is for real or the earnings, which matters to you most and what do you think drives the markets more this week? >> here in chicago, michelle earnings are the paramount focus, specifically the forward guidance. there's more of a rear view snap pot. goldman on thursday, those financials, the heart of the u.s. economy, we want to hear what they have to think about forward guidance, potential damage of the u.s. dollar spiking. this is so important going forward. guidance guidance guidance right now. >> that is for sure. as you know, expectations are not very high for the first quarter and last week two high-profile companies, alcoa and bed, bath & beyond reported. both of those stocks got clobbered as well because of girdance. you don't think in the aggregate it will be as bad as feared for the first quarter. why?
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>> i really don't. there's the usual suspects. we have the energy sector that's been hit pretty bad. weather is still playing a major roll in here. auto units are up a million year over year. the retail sector has been pretty strong in some areas. where we'll have an offset in one area i think the consumer will pick up in the other. >> that would necessarily be coming from gasoline i would think, right, rene? >> absolutely. some of that actually is still coming from wage growth. we've been seeing that across all sectors as well. so there's a lot of different dynamics that are going there. this quarter is messy, it's going to be uneven. i think the consumer will rise to the occasion. >> your assessment of the market right here as we see this hesitancy against a big number like 5,000 in the nasdaq. >> i think trending list today.
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the action is coming out of europe right now. we see what's happening with the european central bank negative yields in europe. everyone is on dollar watch, earnings to oil, also the federal reserve. >> why, stephen? we saw the german ten-year go negative today. that's a crazy thing, historic. why does that maer to the american markets? >> well what we're looking at is a pull into european liquidity. the european central bank is trying to reproduce success that the american federal reservist had with their quantitative easing. weaver seeing a global quantitative easing coming from the europeans, drive the euro down, goose up their economies. the japanese are doing it as well. what we're seeing is the federal reserve, last person out of this. i think the fed is still on dollar watch. they'll probably wait until september. my take is that they're not data dependent until they get positive. starting with the september
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meeting they start looking at the data. >> speaking with anthony, we get inflation reports out this week as well. i know the fed will be watching that very carefully. what are your expectations there? >> i think we will start to see life on the inflation front. energy will not be as much of a factor. we know the economy will get better after the cold weather. we saw that last year. the decline in the first quarter will not be as great as it was last year in the first quarter. you'll start to get that bounce back. you'll get a bounce back in retail sales. you might even get a nice bounce back in industrial production. as this starts to occur, i think a lot of the anxiety that's out there is going to go away. remember, the dollar has been declining for quite some time. companies are learning to maneuver. it will be fascinating to hear on the guidance how companies are dealing with the stronger dollar and how much are they benefiting from those lower energy prices? that's all going to come out in the guidance. that's going to shape how the markets handle and digest this
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information. >> i want to ask you about something stephen wood brought up. the u.s. federal bank will do what the u.s. federal reserve did. they'll do quantitative easing. that gave wine to the back of u.s. stocks for years. they think the same thing will happen in europe. are you telling your clients to put money in europe because of that? >> absolutely. >> or are you saying stay domestic? >> absolutely. actually, as far back as last year, we definitely have len the our playbook i think, to the european marketplace and japan for that matter. europe i think offers fantastic valuations. if you are early to the party or late to the party, it doesn't really matter. i think that that run is going to take place for quite some time. europe is very attractive and japan as well. >> how do you tell them to do it when they also if you're a dallas-based investor and you're buying something priced in euros, you could lose on the money side. do you tell them to hedge it? >> an awful lot the hedged etfs
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out there. >> i've also looked at the dollar chart and the dollar seems to have peaked out in march. we have a double top. i'm looking athat closely. it's possible that that's going to turn into a resistance level in which case being an unhedged european investments, etfs makes a lot of sense. >> it's a lot cheaper. >> kenny p. -- >> exactly. >> you and i have had this very conversation for a while now about going to europe. you feel europe the action in asia as well what does that do to the u.s. market then? are we going to see more lackluster trading here? will 18,000 be the place we hover for a while and 5,000 on the nasdaq? >> listen i think that you know, by the end of the year our market returns back to normal again. some move between 8% and 10% by the end of the year. we churn for a little bit. i do think, you said it, and rene has said it, there is tune in the europe. the ecb just started with their
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program. we know here in the states the fed had their qe program here for six years. it's up better than 200 plus percent. the ecb has just begun this process. that's one of the main reasons people should be considering europe. >> we're going to end it there as long as we have it all figured out. we know where it's going from here. thank you all. appreciate your thoughts on today's market action. >> thank you. >> let's send it over to dominic chu chu. >> nokia is possibly in advanced talks to acquire part units of alcatel/lucent, specifically some of the wireless assets. the potential acquisition of the assets would be to help strengthen the telecom equipment and wireless network's business with nokia to better compete with ericksonssonericsson. >> the original alcatel/lucent
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deal remember that? >> yes. >> to see that come around after all this time. >> both are higher. interesting. we have about 50 minutes left in the trading session here the dow off the lows down 40 points here. the s&p is down 4 and look at your nasdaq. heading back to 5,000. >> 4,999. just half a point away. coming up financial stocks gaining ground ahead of a huge wave of earnings this week. dominic chu will have a special report on how they usually perform after their earnings hit the take. >> sprint plans to do what doctors rarely do these days that would be making house calls. we're not making a joke here. we'll tell you why the cell phone join the is borrowing a page from the old dr. playbook. plus the pros will discuss if this will actually help bring up profits and the stock. still to come.
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mixed market right now. the dow is down 43 the s&p down 5. i'm looking to see the russell. i heard it was in record territory. it's up in the two points right now. there's the nasdaq. >> so close! >> flirting with the 5,000 level. can we stay above 5,000 for only the second time this year bit close today? keep an eye on that. by the way, here are the 30 components of the dow jones industrial average. looks like roughly two-thirds of them are negative today. jpmorgan, that's interesting, jpmorgan getting ready to report earnings this week and it's the best performer today. general electric, by far, the best performer on friday with the share buy back and the sale of the ge capital announcement. >> giving it back today. >> that's down almost 3% in today's trade. >> doctors may not make house calls anymore but sprint is about to offer that service. sprint is offering home delivery and setup of your smartphone.
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the ceo was on squawk alley earlier today. here's some of what he had to say. good to see you. i'm all for thinking outside the box and inknow vacation and all that stuff. this feels like a pr stunt. >> we're falling for it. it's eye nice gimmick, good gimmick. maybe if people get their phones brought to them. maybe for older people it will be a nice thing to help train them on their phones. that's wonderful. long term i don't see this as meaningful for sprint or its brand. the stock is down over 50% over the last year. its market cap is basically a tenth of verizon. it's got no great identity right
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now. and so i don't see this really changing the picture. however fun it might be. >> bert i'm worried that a lot of people will like it. it sounds incredibly expensive to me to send somebody out house to house and do this. it has to be a much lower margin result. >> you're completely correct. sprint will stabilize its sales but also profitably increase sales. because by making the house call and selling accessories, sales can go up 500%. customer retention can double or triple. if we look at best buy as the proxy in this business case, the reason best buy is alive and circuit city is dead best buy had the geek squad making house calls. sprint is borrowing a page from best buy's playbook. it may work out. >> they will take over a third of the remaining 1,700 radio shack stores out there. a store within a store kind of a concept. what do you make of that?
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>> it's a smart move for sprint because verizon had far more locations across america and elsewhere than sprint does. with the radio shack, sprint's essentially getting the stars at a nickel on the dollar achieving national size and scale in all the key markets. it's a great tune to be relevant and meaningful with good service in the store. as michelle referenced as you did, bill, service at home on a 360 degree basis which may be unbeatable in this market where we have more disposable income and less disposal time. >> can we go back to the idea though isn't it much more expensive to send somebody out house to house versus having them come to the store? you think there will be enough volume at the homes to offset the higher cost? >> michelle you're absolutely right. it's certainly more expensive. but the cost of every cut of a customer from sprint is a few hundred dollars. the cost of a house call is less than $100. typical transaction in the store
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would be less than $100. the transaction for a house call would be $300 to $500. in some cases, closer to several hundred dollars. >> what are they saying, people just aren't going to the stores to get their phones? >> why think about this kind of a service? >> that does seem to be the case. if we look at the tremendous astounding transfer of value from the cell phone years of ten years ago, apple and samsung in 2015? they have to take numbers to get into the apple store. sprint is saying we will drive out to you. it's a sign of weak -- i appreciate the creativity and the radio shack deal is interesting and creative there, too. but, again, what does sprint stand for? can you give it to us in ten words, seven words? i don't know if marcelo talked about that. it's the brand of company where you wonder what's it about? >> last question, quickly,
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dennis, what's your assessment of marcelo claure? >> i think he's done a nice job. the real power lies with the founder in japan. his idea to bring sprint and t-mobile together. marcelo is a good step but all eyes need to be on masa. >> we'll see what happens with sprint and radio shack, too. thank you, guys. >> thank you. >> you bet. heading toward the close. 40 minutes left in the trading session with the dow down 52 points, back below -- no it's holding at 18,500 here. it's the nasdaq teasing us today. back below 5,000. >> will it close above 0,000. >> uh-oh. >> make or break time for financials as they gear up to
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zblncht nation's biggest bank is expected to post earnings this week. >> dominic chu has been crunching the numbers on how stocks perform after the tape. >> i could say i crunched the numbers but i'm not that smart. our friends crunched the numbers all the way going back to 2010 to see how well the bank stocks do on the day they report earnings. we went back to january 2010 to look at the average daily performance of some of the big banks reporting this week and how they do. first off, tomorrow jpmorgan and wells fargo. jpmorgan on average not a great day. down about a third of a percent. it's only positive trading wise the day after its earnings report comes out 38% of the time. if you look at wells fargo, it's down 0. 6% positive just 38% of the time. if we fast forward to later on this week, bank of america,
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that's one of the bigger losers here. it's only positive less than one-third of the time. goldman sachs and citi round out our week. goldman sachs down 0.2% on average. positive 38% of the time. you can call it the real outperformer here is citigroup which trades flat. it's a coin toss positive about 52% of the time. they all report before the bell. the regular trading session generally speaking since the zero interest rate policy began after the financial crisis these banks have not been at least a positive trade generally speaking in that time since 2010 guys. back over to you. >> as you were reeling each of those off, i checked them quickly. all but goldman is fractionally higher today going into these reports. thanks appreciate it. let's bring in jack moore
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and another guest from the street.com. >> thanks for having us. >> discuss what we're talking about here in terms of the financials of this quarter. in theory interest rates are going up that should be a great time for the banks. >> the moment that happens, that will be great. they'll be able to jack up the rates quickly. there will be a lag between when they have to jack up the deposit rates. i own with jim cramer and our charitable trust wells fargo. we love that one. it underperforms a little bit on the day that it reports but the important thing it's simple. it's easy to understand and digest their earnings. these diversified banks, investment banks -- >> they do many many things. >> trade up 1% go down 1%. it takes so much time to figure out what the results mean. >> wells fargo is all about mortgages. >> very simple straight forward. >> what if interest rates don't go up? we're charging 1.9% here on the ten-year. come on. >> you have to give them credit
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for what they've done the last six years. >> uh-oh. considering the shape of the yield curve. >> yes considering the circumstances, wells fargo and actually a lot of these banks, have done incredibly well. it's prepared them just in the energy right now that they have to become more efficient. the banks have had to become more efficient and nimble and be able to extract earnings out of revenues. >> got it. >> classing value investors, do you see values in the financial stocks as we get ready for earnings. >> in some but not others. the regional banks have traded up because people are expecting interest rates to go up. the secret is that lending money to people is not that profitable a business. that is what regional banks tend to do. what we like is the financial institutions that have hidden asset management businesses. lazzard, for example. goldman sachs has more than a
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trillion dollars in their asset management business, morgan stanley, more than 2 trillion. cowan and company has ramius the alternative asset management business. what we want to find right now is the diversified firms that have the good asset management businesses that they're not getting real credit for. >> interesting. you want to keep it simple as much as possible. >> right. >> i think they make sense right now, the diversified. they're not totally relying on the lending spread. longer term the best positions are the ones that are going to be able to have an explosion of earnings power once rates rise. that's why i'm not buying wells fargo into the print. i'm buying it. >> rates will go up but regulations will stay where they are. if anything become more stringent down the road. >> that's why we love wells fargo again. it's the teacher's pet of the regulators of the banks. they done the have the charge. that's why the scariest day for a lot of these banks, jpmorgan goldman sachs, citi is
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earnings. they have extra overhangs, expenses that will come out of nowhere. it will crush the stock. >> sometimes they announce them retroactively. charles, what if we see the long-term interest rates start to rise. they can pay deposits of 1% but charge as much as 6% or 7% for a mortgage. they could make a lot of money on that spread there. would you then be interested in regionals? >> that scenario we would argue is widely in the stocks already. if you look at the names that i like, trading at more like 1.1 times book. jpmorgan -- excuse me goldman sachs and morgan stanley, cowan is trading at less than book. for the real estaten for the reasons you just said, we'd argue that that interest rate play is already in the stocks and the business of lending money is a commodity business. managing an emerging market fund is not a commodity business. >> all right. >> we'll see what the numbers look like when they come out. they should be interesting good
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to see you both jack charles, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having us on. >> you bet. time for a cnbc news update with sue herrera. here's what's happening, the heiress of the nina ricci house was imposed a $1.1 million fine and confiscation of two properties worth more than $4 million. the treasury department says the deficit through the first half of the year is running slightly above last year's pace with the march imbalance up $16 billion over a year ago. but the congressional budget office is forecasting the deficit for the whole year at about 486 billion and that's only a bit higher than a year ago. federal officials say 95 passengers and 5 crew members aboard the celebrity infiniti cruise ship have been sickened by the gastrointestinal illness known as the norovirus. the infinity concluding a
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15-night cruise. the nba is ending a 28-year partnership with coca-cola. adam silver made at announcement in new york city. financial terms not disclosed. and that is cnbc's news update for this hour. back to you, bill. >> thank you, sue. we have a news alert on tv ratings for the masters, which even you watched this year. >> yes, they'll be good. >> dom chu, how did it come out? >> all three of us added to this. according to the fast ratings that came out right now, cbs sports final round coverage of the masters garnered an average 14 million viewers. that's a 26% increase over last year. the ratings was about 8.7 out of 19. that's what it garnered in terms of share. so again both 26% increases at its peak the ratings share was 10.6 ahead of viewership at its peak, between 6:30 and 7:00 the
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final round, the 18th hole of 17.7 million viewers. so a huge number of people tuned in to watch jordan spieth with the record-setting performance at the masters. a nice ratings boost. i'm sure a lot of people have been tweeting in on this tiger, phil justin rose all those guys as part of the mix, rory mcilroy had something to do with the ratings boost as well. >> you bet. as good as the sunday numbers were, saturday was 48% better than the previous year. >> wow. >> unbelievable. >> we need protagonists. that's what the game needs. if you get them this is what happens. >> personalities. that's for sure. thanks dom. >> sure. >> 28 minutes before the bell. the dow jones industrial average, all the major averages have gone negative. take a look. the dow is lower by nearly 70 the nasdaq is lower by 4, the s&p lower by 8. so much hesitancy before the key level. >> somebody buy something. when we come back apple's
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new watch generating buzz. but will the new mac book turn out to be the real moneymaker for apple. we'll talk about that, after this. when a rewards card is designed to sync with your life it gets talked about... ♪ ♪ ♪
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moving lower here as we go into the last half hour of trade. .dow at the lows of the session, down 67 points. the s&p is down 8 and the nasdaq is down 4 points right now. apple's watch, selling out early friday. that's according to reports. josh lipton has the early read on apple's latest must-have gadget. sounds like it's going okay. >> demand so far has been robust. that's how analysts are describing the response to the apple watch. rbc says his checks indicate that shipments across the board are delayed up to eight weeks, some extending 12 weeks. he thinks apple will sell up to 5 million watches in the june quarter and as many as 20 million units in the first 12 month months. if he's right, that would mean 8 billion in revenue, by his estimate, 4% of total sales.
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the watch wouldn't have a big financial impact at least in the near term but remember ceo tim cook is playing the long game here. after all, this is the first generation of the apple watch. we're only just beginning to see the developer community roll out watch-specific apps which analysts say will be critical to apple's ability to scale this product quickly. under cook's leadership apple has flourished, that stock is up more than 70% in the past 12 months and nearly 140% since he became ceo. but cook has a new challenge now, this is apple's first new product category in five years. and apple must win over the consumer. bill back to you. >> josh thank you very much. the apple watch might have been the most anticipated gadget of the year but is it the new macbook that will steal the show for the apple? the reviews have been fasten fantastic and the starring price of 1300 bucks is attractive in this category here right?
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>> let's bring in our own jon fortt who has the new macbook on set and lance is here as well. let's show everybody. is this the gold one, the grey or silver? >> this is just -- i don't have the gold one. but i can show you -- >> look how thin this thing is. >> it's so light. >> it's a retina display. >> 12 inch. >> 12 inch right. retina display. >> why is it getting rave reviews? >> well, this thing is half an inch thick at its thickest point. that combined with the retina display makes it really really slim. it's like ipad-type feel but has laptop power. not high end laptop power but laptop power. at 1300 bucks, that's the same price as the macbook pro, which has the ports, a faster processor, which has the screen
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that's an inch bigger with the retina display also. >> do you use your ipad less because of this. >> is this going to cannibalize? >> it will. >> lance says no. >> you think it will cannibalize the ipad? >> it doesn't have a touch screen. it remindered me of the first ipad. it's just a half pound different in weight and the size is similar. i even held them up next to each other. this is something that's still about work about sort of pure play, word processing, e-mail. the ipad is obviously a lot of content consumption, some work. >> not for the high-end executive user, though. if you need a screen that's bigger than the iphone 6 plus and you need to be productive what do you grab that's ult ultrapotable? >> i think those executives are
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fantastic. and the first time they see this, they say where am do i plug in my usb port? >> if i'm an apple user i've got my ipad i've got my apple watch, i've got my iphone and i've got this macbook here. is there redundancy there that i don't need to deal with here? this machine is for somebody who has a ton of machine for every purpose. this is not going to be your main computer. this is going to be your road dog. you take it on the road. you want to carry something light, get stuff done. that's where it does compete probably with an ipad for some people more than with a full-feature m a. c. >> it sounds like roughly 20 million -- computers are doing 20 million a year. iphones are doing 70 million. >> per quarter. >> per quarter. phones are off the charts. >> off the charts. >> the numbers that josh gave out suggest 20 million watches in a year.
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these two, computers and watches are competing. where are the margins better though? >> it's unclear at this point. the first watch to roll off the line has virtually zero -- >> of course of course. i think apple is still deciding how to sell this watch, what demand is going to be. >> lance, what time is it? >> it's apple watch time. i've been wearing the apple watch for over a week and a half. can you see it? >> there we go. >> he'll find you. >> here we go. >> it tells time. >> it tells time. it has apps. it has notifications, obviously it has a full day of battery life. i've been wearing it for a week and a half. i've done things with this watch like buy stuff. i have used apple pay. >> have you answered the phone. >> i have answered the phone. i've answered the phone. when you're not in a crowd and loud place, you can make a phone call without doing the dick
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tracey thing. you can put it down a little bit. that's been powerful. in addition to apple pay, you have the digital touch which is silly, send a heart beat this and that. i enjoyed checking into my flights, including security with the watch. that was pretty cool. this is to me right now, the best spart best smart watch on the market. i know it's more expensive but it really -- it manages to be both a utility device and a fashion object. and of course i've got right now the stainless steel one with the link band. there's a lot of different choices. this guy costs $1,000. but you know you can go down to $349. i am curious, you know obviously about the sales numbers that we're hearing. that sounds good to me. >> 1 million on the first day. >> right, it does sound really good but it's not apple saying it. until apple comes forward with the numbers. >> traditionally they'll give us the sales numbers after the introduction.
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>> not on a new product necessarily. they don't want to focus too much on the numbers. there's a lot of noise in the beginning. people will try to order ten of them to corner the market and sell them on ebay. they want to see by geography. >> what did they say, 1.3. >> the people bought 1 .3 aim watches. >> thanks. >> he'll be back with us next hour. >> john will, yes. >> 17 minutes left in the trading session here. holding near the lows of the session with the dow down 61 points, below 18,000 s&p is down 6, the nasdaq below 5,000. coming up do people have enough to retire? we always hear that the answer is no. but if you ask them, they think they do. that's a problem. we're going to tackle it later on the "closing bell." ...sexiest ...baddest ...safest, ...tightest,
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heading to the close. we're just kind of moving lower. we are -- the bias is toward the sale side but not much. the dow down 77 and the nasdaq pulling even further back from that 5,000 level.
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>> joining us on set is john garvey, global financial services leader of pricewaterhousecoopers, out with their latest global market outlook. you did a big survey of what all these expectations are about the future of the capital markets. i'm struck by 76% of the people you surveyed believe there's going to be some kind of financial major center in the world coming out of asia that will rival new york and london. >> yes. >> why do they think that and where is it going to be? >> it has to do with the overall economic waiting that asia is increasingly holing in our world today. right? we actually don't agree with the survey. >> on that point. >> on that point, yes. >> why not? >> we see that the market is more regionalized and bifurcated or trifurcated in terms of shanghai or tokyo in
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international markets which are split between hong kong and singapore. we don't see any one market moving to dominance. >> doesn't technology trump geography? you've been doing this a while. >> yes. >> right here. >> yes. >> working at this corner happen. technology has changed the way we view the investment world out there. >> well the technology has made it easier for people to invest. it's cheaper and it's faster. but as far as the asian markets, having the access to it, i think that's the bigger thing. if the chinese have access to their own markets, it could become, you know like you said much larger. >> simply, the u.s. is one single, huge large market. london is one huge, large market. back when i used to cover the asian markets, there's 20 of them. there's all these tiny markets spread all over the place. if they can imagine to put all their liquidity and managers in the same place, but they don't.
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it doesn't seem like they're rival the united states for a very, very long time. >> it's hard to see how you could have a rival, a single rival. the report also talks about the increasinge inginge inging balkanization. you can see it with the euro versus the pound. if the uk pulls out, for example, of the euro you'll see a fragmentation in europe as well. >> put your trader hat on before we go here. a lot of earnings we've established coming out this week. >> right now i've been out of it for a while. >> you have been. >> we're not going to see major surprises in either direction. i think most companies have cut back their expectations. you have to wait and see what they say about future earnings going into the third quarter and going into the end of the year. we'll see. a lot of these companies aren't giving you that much of an indication of how well they're doing. >> right. >> so it could affect the market
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4,989. we'll keep an eye on the financials using the s&p financial sectors. bob pisani. >> this is still an important part of the overall business for some of the big banks, particularly jpmorgans and goldman sachs. if the russell closes at a historic high. we had another buyer strike i'm getting aknowed by this. 2.5 million shares. >> don't you think everybody is waiting for earnings right now? >> yes. >> we're not getting a lot of guidance going into this. we expect it will be a bad reporting season because of the weather and the dollar. >> we're down 3% for s&p earnings. normally you beat by 3%. the problem with the rat race is even if you win, you're still a rat. the problems with the earnings season is even if they beat it it's still lousy, you're flat
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for the quarter. i think a lot of traders are having a hard time getting around that reality. >> we're going out with minus signs right now although the russel is finishing slightly positive so we could get a record there. keep an eye on that. all right. a lot to come now in the second hour of the "closing bell." welcome to the second hour of the "closing bell." i'm michelle caruso-cabrera the nasdaq finishing lower by 8 points, the dow down 78 points the s&p down 9 points. on today's panel, dan greenhouse and george fort. also with us, guy adami. what happened today. >> nothing. >> is it fear of the earnings season the dollar macro
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economic data that will tell us the economy is slowing? what's up? >> i don't want to get that crazy today. we've seen moves like this. i don't want to try to explain it because it would be a fool's eranned to try to do so. goldman sachs has been a monster, closed lower on the day. black stone, wells fargo, jpmorgan, what disappoints me though, on the other side of that coin is a continued underperformance of the transports. having trouble at 168 from november until recently banged up against that level, a number of times. seemingly has failed. i think the transports you have to watch carefully. bill mentioned the iwm, the russell. i'll mention it as well. it's critical that holds 121. >> why? >> because technically that's where we broke out from. if you look there were double tops at 121. when we traded it above it you saw the quick ramp. what was past resistance becomes support.
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you find that in the form of 121. i didn't dance around your question. >> i like it. i like it. he goes right to the heart of it. >> dan greenhouse what do you make of the relative strength of the bank? usually financials for the last 20 years have been a leading sector. >> we are dealing with a new era for the banks in the wake of the financial crisis. we know this story quite well return on equities are lower, risk taking is lower, balance sheets are smaller. with all of that stock price appreciation is probably going to be smaller as well. i think some of the issues you're dealing with now are dissimilar to what you were dealing with as an extension, what you were dealing with a year ago. investors some of which i met with just today for lunch. they're waiting for the interest rate story to improve and the capital return story to improve. in the absence of a breakout in the economy or a breakdown in the amount of regulatory oversight, full disclosure the cases invests are as challenged
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today as they have been. we're starting to pick up steam. that's building optimism leading into earnings season. last quarter for fourth quarter earnings season the banks were atrocious to start earnings season. >> it was. it was a very rough quarter. >> that dampened sentiment for the entire earnings season. it tooks week to recover. >> jon fortt, we talk about fed policy and the weather and all the things that will affect earnings, and the dollar is technology immuned to all of that necessarily? >> i don't think so. we had the preannouncement from intel. we'll get guidance coming up this week. that will be important. we want to hear what the follow-on effects of the slowdown intel noted in the pc market might be. the guidance in that area will be important, too. we'll see effects on microsoft, the memory players, perhaps, when they report. tech by no means immund. we've seen this activist move on
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qualcomm which say sign of the times, some weakness, slowdown in the growth prospects of certain large techs. >> dan greenhouse what's more important, earnings or the economic data at this point? we have a slew of both coming up. >> earnings. it's always earnings. >> yeah? it hasn't felt like it. it's felt like a macro driven market for years. >> the fed is a major topic of conversation, every client meeting we go to. if you want to say the stock market is in a bubble because of the fedak test that's fine that's your business. if earnings are improving, at a minimum, over time stocks will track that. we can fret about ben bernanke and janet yellen and mario draghi and the like and rightfully so. but if earnings are not going up, the stock market is not going to go up. >> do we exclude all of the energy stocks this time around? >> yes. >> when you look at the earnings, if energy earnings are supposed to be down between 40%
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and 60%. >> 65% the way that i do it. >> it's really killer. >> listen here's the flat out bottom line. i've been saying this this has been our position for a few weeks now. i said this on air, the twitterverse got angry. here's the story with the spectators you can't exclude it as if it doesn't matter. look at this particular earnings season as where the exclusivity is. a 65% contraction on a year-over-year basis on energy earnings is really bad. when you exclude energy earnings will be up 2% this quarter, maybe 3% a quarter after that maybe 5% a quarter after that. this is not to say you should ignore everything but use it as illustrative of the singleness the singularity of the issues. >> guy adami -- >> yo! >> you always have something you're keeping an eye on that
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nobody else is watching right now, you're watching for a breakout or a breakdown of some kind? >> netflix. great question. that's why i like you. you cut right to the chase. look at what netflix has done since last quarter. blew through $400 made its way up corrected back to effectively 40099-ish, blew through 440. we're dealing with a potential all-time high in earnings. i think that thing explodes through 500 on the upside. their international growth is a real story. there are so many nonbelievers in the name. one name that sticks out, especially today, is netflix. >> guy, we're obviously all talking about the financials. csx reports this week as well. you brought up the transports before. what do you think about the rails specifically and the rails generally, csx specifically? >> they've been disappointing.
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the rails have not performed. csx specifically, i can't speak to. i haven't looked at it. the sector now for the la month or so has clearly underperformed. that's a big drag on the transports. it gives me pause. if you look at the rails, i could speak to unp and ksu. valuation wise they've getting interesting at these levels. >> can't you exclude the rails from transports the same way you want to exclude -- >> i'm not excluding anything. >> i'm making a point here. a lot of the reason we're seeing weakness is the rails is the weakness in oil. oil prices are down airlines should be doing better. >> airlines i learned long ago, airlines are not about the fuel cost. it's about the load factor. the demand for the seats. demands have been there. >> cheaper oil must help. i mean -- >> over the last couple of years airlines have performed
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fantastically. warren buffett was on air saying he would never invest in airlines. it's a losing proposition. >> he did once. >> today the situation in the airlines is meaningly different. i'm not an airline specific analyst but they've cut capacity and they've held the line. the stocks have done phenomenally. of late they've run into trouble, even as oil prices have decline. that's something to which everybody should be paying attention. the weakness, the overriding theme is the weakness in transports is not exclusively about the rails. >> what do we look for, the biggest earnings report in the technology world? >> intel. because of that guidance specifically. the cat is out of the bag as to weakness sure they said enterprise was fine. going forward, the second half a lot of companies said expect a big second half. it's all going to come together in the second half. intel is big enough, what they say about the second half will set the tone for the rest of the big tech reporters. >> iron man, thank you so much.
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earnings season gaining speed this week with a bunch of big names reporting. >> dominic chu, who else. he's back with a preview. >> bill michelle we're not cooking with gas just yet. we're getting close. 33 companies in the s&p 500 are slated to report their earnings
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this week. before the bell and after. here are some of the names you'll want to watch just because they are names that are of note and/or very large companies. monday, pep boys jpmorgan wells fargo and csx, the railroad company also reports on tuesday after the bell. on wednesday, you have another one of those big bangs, bank of america reporting theirs. across the pond a luxury brand, burberry. also on wednesday, netflix after the bell. could be a volatile earnings report. citigroup on goldman sachs and american express are all on thursday as well as oil services company schlumberger. the big ones will be before the bell on friday, general electric and honeywell. general electric very much in focus on the big news of their $50 billion share buy back also the restructuring of ge capital and what not.
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very interesting to see what's going on especially for the after the bell earnings. netflix, schlumberger, among the ones still reporting after the close throughout the week. >> if it was not for jean-claude trichet -- >> mario monti. >> i apologize, mr. trichet. what should we expect from the numbers coming out tomorrow? >> joining us now is nick race and lindsay bell. nick, going to start with you. the expectations are pretty well. can it get any worse? >> it could always get worse. we think the first quarter expectations at minus 3% are too low. our theme for this earnings season will be the first quarter numbers will turn out better than feared. that's the good news. the bad news is the second quarter estimates are low and will be heading lower as companies report. >> lindsay, we highlighted there, jpmorgan and wells fargo
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tomorrow, what are you expecting from the financial sector overall? >> well, this week's going to be all about the financials. we're expecting double digit growth, 10.8% for the first quarter. their leading growth for the third quarter. we need to see these guys post really good results. it will be if unto watch those guys. bank of america, they're going to drive growth significantly for the sector. just because they have easy year-over-year comparisons. we have to watch those guys closely. excludeing them jpmorgan and citi, all benefiting from trading in the first quarter. the rest of the banks are going to probably post year-over-year decline. so it's going to be something we have our eye on for sure. >> nick when we talk about earnings for the banks being at the very top of the financial sector i mean gosh you have to go back to the financial crisis and think finally they've come around here. is it enough for the overall sector and is it enough for the overall market? historically we've talked about the financials being the leadership group and we need
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them to lead in order to get the market to move higher. are they the same financials they used to be? do they have the same power? >> we always say there's three pillars to the economy to be in place for the economy to roll without the need for fed life support. one of those would be a healthy banking system. the other two being jobs and housing. all three things are working, things are going well. we do need financials to do better. during the fourth quarter, the banks reported lousy numbers, out of all ten sectors in the s&p, over the past year the only one that's shown modest improvement and underlying expectations has been the financial sector. some of that is because of the anticipation of higher rates to come and to help many of the spread-base lenders. >> lindsay, the last couple of days and certainly in the last two weeks, earnings for all ten sectors have gotten worse. is there something going on that the average investor might be missing here that goes beyond the specific issues in energy that i highlighted earlier? >> i think you have the issues
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that have been laid out and discussed for the past few weeks now. as we approach the heart of earnings season you continue to see estimates come down. this is standard practice. we've seen numbers come down from earnings growth of 5.6% which was expected on january 1st to now a negative 3.2% growth rate. touchically company ically typically companies beat by three points. if you do xplud energy currently we expect growth to be more like 5.7%. if that beats by the 300 to 350 basis points you can get close to 8% 9% growth. that's pretty solid in a recovering economy. >> right. jon fortt's been watching intel. either of you, lindsay or nick i mean that's obviously a bellwether in this technology field. it will give us a sense of how the rest of the industry will go. anybody have a sense of which way intel will go here? nick? >> intel and many of the other
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semicon dishgts skonconductors are seeing weakening trends. it's losing positive momentum they've had over the past year or two. that's a reflection on intel and other semiconductors. the numbers for the s&p were 5% at the beginning of the year down to minus 3%. if you go back further, the s&p in september of last year this very earnings season was expected to be up 10.5% on september 1st. we hear one thing about a bullish argument with stocks right now and there's two parts to that argument. one is that the first quarter estimates are too low and stock prices will go higher. we agree with the first part that the first quarter estimates are too low. we do not think the stock prices go higher. >> all right. we'll see. somebody hear disagrees but we're out of time. sorry, dan. >> we'll get to that later. >> thanks for that happy conversation on earnings, both of you. so how much do you really need to save for retirement? if you think you need to save millions, think again. why you actually need much less
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all right. we have dominic chu back with a quick market flash. a warning here yes? >> a warning on a rail company that hasn't even reported earnings yet, norfolk southern. right now the shares are down 4% on 14,000 to 15,000 shares of after-market volume. this after the company says it expects to report earnings per share of a dollar. that's, again, sa%15% below the same time in 2014. revenues are expected to come in at $2.6 billion. the company does blame the shortfall in earnings per share on decreases in revenue within coal volumes, especially also lower revenues in terms of commodity groups, lower overall expenses were hurt by weather and service recovery costs.
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earnings per share coming in below analyst estimates, a pre-announcement, if you will. the shares are down by 4% on 14,000 shares of volume after market bill. back over to you guys. >> we were just talking about that last block. >> yes, we are. >> the price of energy. >> we'll do it again tomorrow. we'll have more info on the health of the railroads. we'll be talking to csx ceo michael ward immediately after his company reports earnings. >> today is the start of national retirement planning week. a new report is sending warning signs about how unprepared many baby boomers are even though they think they are. >> sharon epperson, tell us about it. >> many baby boomers may be worse off than in recent years. 40 3rers have no savings, 21% have less than $100,000 in retirement savings and 19% have saved $250,000 for more.
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this is the latest data from an annual report by a trade group for the retirement industry. one of the biggest changes in the past few years, boomers who in this study range from 52 to 68 aren't planning to rely as much on their iras or 401(k)s. half will turn to social security as a major source of income. many boomers expect to live a lifestyle beyond what their limited resources will be able to support. 32% in the study still believe they will have enough money for basic needs, and have money left over for travel and leisure. many boomers have postponed plans to retire. >> for obvious reasons. we'll talk to someone who says there's no reason to actually panic about the amount you have saved for retirement right now. >> he's published a column suggesting you may need less
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money to retire than you think. he is also the author a book. good to have you here. you have a different column. there's all this panic about not having enough money to retire. >> one of the pieces of conventional wisdom is you need 80% of preretirement income in order to retire. that's a discourageing number for retirees. i can't possibly save that much. there's no way i'll ever be able to retire. a lot of people can get by on less than 80% of their preretirement income. why? the kids leave home. that's a big drop in your costs. two, a lot of people get their mortgage paid off by the time they retire. that's another cost they don't have. finally, people are saving more than 10% of their income in the runup to retirement. consequent, they aren't saving that money once they retire, therefore, that's income they done need. >> a lot of those folks are the ones doing the right thing.
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what about those who may not be able to afford to pay off their home or move someone that's a lower cost of living and also those in poor health? those health care costs, that's the wild card. >> those are all good points sharon. when you think about people who are saving for retirement and saying do i have enough money to quit the work force, the fact is they don't need to hit that 80% target if they're closer to 60% of their retirement income. >> we're talking two different groups here. you're talking about people who don't have enough and haven't bothered to save. >> at all. >> jonathan you're talking about people who are overdoing it and fearing they aren't going to have enough when they do retire. >> if you're saving more than 10% of your income every year there's a big chunk of your current income that you're not going to have to have once you retire. if you're a good saver, you can live on a lot less once you quit the work force.
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>> i have to go. i have time for one question. john? >> how many people do you think are saving that much though? there are these wild cards. you don't know how long you're going to live. you have to assume you'll hit 100. plus, you don't know how much of the federal funds you paid into are going to be there for you when you retire. don't you have to still oversave? >> quickly, john. >> it's better to have too much than too little. the fact is whatever you have you'll spend in retirement. moyer is more is better. why hang around in the work force if you don't really need to. >> the spacex launch is coming up. time now for a cnbc news update with sue herrera. saudi forces continue hitting rebel positions in yemen with heavy artillery. a spokesman for the rebels said their response to the air strikes would be quote, strong and decisive and crushing end quote. he claimed that 2,500 civilians have been killed by those air
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strikes. hundreds of hardline iranian students staged a demonstration in front of the saudi arabian embassy in tehran condemning the saudi-led air strikes in yemen. saudi arabia accused iran of supporting rebels against the government in yemen. josh earnest says hillary clinton will not automatically enjoy the president's backing to be the democratic presidential nominee. he said it is up to the democratic voters to pick the nominee. and daredevil nik wallenda has announced his next stunt at a news conference. he will walk untethered on top of a 400-foot observation wheel in orlando next month. it's in the heart of orl's tourist district and officially opens in may. and that is the cnbc news update for this hour. back to you, bill. >> i guess he's run out of canyons to walk across. >> apparently so. the 2016 presidential candidate field is getting bigger by the day, as you know. >> hillary clinton is already jumped in and republican senator marco rubio is launching his bid in just about an hour.
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coming up we'll have a live report from where rubio is making at announcement. also speak to a top fund-raiser for hillary clinton. also ahead -- ♪ >> we get the music. >> had to wait for that. a launch is just moments away from spacex's rocket.
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♪ the final countdown ♪ >> it is not the final countdown. >> murphy's law. while we were in commercial they scrubbed the launch of the spacex rocket that was supposed to be taking the payload up to the international space station. apparently weather got in the way. >> it's still significant. we should talk about it. we'll bring in jane wells. they're trying to do something that hasn't been done before recycle the rocket boosters. >> elon musk at it again, jane. >> he said even if they launched today there was less than 50% chance he would succeed. there was a storm cell that moved within ten nautical miles
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of the launch pad. that was the reason for the abort. we're trying to find out when the next launch will dough will be. this is why this is such a big deal. if spacex can recover a rocket reuse a rocket that significantly drives down the cost of launches. elon musk said imagine if you had to throw an airplane after every flight no one would ever fly. after the rocket would launch a few minutes later, the first booster would fall away and then if all went well the rocket would be guided to a floating barge in the atlantic where it would be rided and land. when this happens, it will be spacex's second attempt. if its first attempt in january, the rocket's guiding fins ran out of hydraulic fluid. that is not supposed to happen this time. there should be plenty of rocket fluid. the next launch window is tomorrow at 4:10. there's a less than 50% chance it will succeed but an 80% chance it will succeed by the
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end of the year. they're going to keep trying. we wouldn't know right away even if it launches if spacex succeeds or not. nass is won't be monitoring that part of the mission. once that lower stage falls away, nasa is like good-bye we don't care about you anymore. it follows what happens with the upper stage and the spacecraft bringing cargo to the space station, including an espressomaker. as this is happening, what could be an historic attempt to recover a rocket spacex's main rival, the united launch alliance, is announcing in colorado at the space symposium its own plans for its own reusable rocket. this is the huge new stage in rocket science. but you have to get off the grounded to recover a rocket. we'll see if that happens tomorrow at 4:10. >> it's happening in the private sector rather than in the public sector like it used to happen with nasa. >> exactly. >> just to make it official
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elon musk two minutes ago tweeted out, launch postponed due to lightning from an approaching anvil cloud. there you have that. >> you feel bad for the italian astronaut who can't get her coffee. >> jane, this was the important part. you know reusable rocket launchers, that's fine but the espressomaker they were setting up for the italian astronaut up there, she's been drinking instant coffee all this time. i can't imagine what she's going through. they will be connected with bungee cords inside and coming in a closeable pouch and apparently they are stocking enough coffee that's the plan for a crew of six to have two cups of coffee a day. i would have 12 cups of coffee all by myself and forget the rest of you. >> i'm not surprised. >> jane wells, thank you. >> always great. >> we're waiting for more tweets from elon musk.
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see if he can tell us when they're going to launch the next time. >> all right. thanks, jane. >> that's a shame. for hillary clinton, the waiting is officially over. the former secretary of state jumping into the 2016 presidential race officially sunday. we were all surprised. coming up we'll talk to a clinton fund raiser to get a gauge on the money behind her campaign. ♪ am i made of paper because i tear so easily ♪ it begins from the second we're born. after all, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned... every day... from the smallest detail to the boldest leap. healthier means using wellness to keep away illness... knowing a prescription is way more than the pills... and believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others.
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the 2016 presidential field is less than an hour away from officially getting more crowded. >> nbc's casey hunt is in miami where florida senatormark marco rubio is about to get into the race. >> we expect him to make at announcement that he's running for president in the next hour or so. here at the freedom tower, known as the ellis island of the south. it's where many cuban immigrants received help. rubio's also going to face hometown heat from jeb bush who's actually been his long-time friend and mentor. bush has obviously built this juggernaut of a campaign. the question for rubio will be whether or not he'll be able to
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raise the kind of money he'll need to compete. the nbc poll does show rubio is the second choice for many republicans. he has a lot of room to grow. i've also talked to donors who say he's been very impressive behind closed doors. i think today you'll hear from him a message about being the fresh face for both the republican party and the country. one that stands up very well they say, to hillary clinton who of course is headed to iowa on that road trip after announcing her presidential roadbid on sunned. >> the other story, hillary clinton did throw her hat into the ring yesterday via video and social media. >> let's bring in tracey. she's a senior adviser for the ready for hillary political action committee. good for you for being here thanks tracey. >> thank you. >> what kind of message are we going to hear from hillary
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that's different this time around compared to the first time she ran? >> well she's certainly making it clear that she's running as a champion for american families. every day americans, people who are looking how to get by get ahead, stay ahead. that's what she's going to be making her central theme. it's about every day americans. >> do you feel she's been dragged to the left at all by the party more so than she would have been otherwise by people like elizabeth warren? >> it's great what she's doing to launch this campaign by going to iowa and other states. she'll talk to people. have small conversations, small settings. she'll be asking questions, listening, getting questions asked of her. i think it's only after that process that we can really fairly answer a question like that. >> tracy, what does she have to do differently this time? she ran eight years ago. the video she put out, it didn't seem to be one or two people under 60 in the video if you
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don't include her. what does she have to do differently this time to capture that portion of the democratic base that got away from her and went to obama eight years ago? >> well, i know she's going to fight for every single vote. this is not any sort of circumstance where she's going to take anything or anyone for granted. and whether that means you're over 60 or under 60 that's a vote she's going to fight to earn. >> didn't she do that six years ago? >> that's very clear. >> she fought for votes last time, didn't she? >> a lot is different. the world has changed in dramatic ways and it seems she's grown as a candidate and as a leader. her experience as secretary of state is bolstering all she brings to the table. and, again, going back to what she's doing now. >> a lot of people think that will be used against her, benghazi will be used against her, particularly her role of secretary of state will actually be a negative. >> i'm sure for her opponents, there's going to be a myriad of things to go through her record
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and pick at. hillary is making it clear that her candidacy is about every day americans and fighting for those people. >> you mentioned that at the beginning. >> tracy, i don't think you can see me. i'm on the younger side of things. what do you say to people 40 and under, 35 and under and certainly 30 and under that think that the -- to put this as not as derogatory as i mean it the best the country can do is another clinton and another bush? does the campaign have an answer for that concern? >> again, hillary, as we know and as i've said a couple of times now, she'll fight for every day americans. her last name is not what matters. it's about those families she'll be meeting with and talking to and hearing their concerns. i think that transcends any surname. >> what is an every day american? >> well it's probably not you. it's probably not a lot of people in the sort of d.c./new york world. i hope that it's people like in
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my home state of iowa people who don't follow this minute by minute but have serious concerns about their bank accounts. >> she doesn't care about the northeast voting for her? >> that's not at all what i said. not at all what i said. not at all what i said. >> you said i'm not an every day american. she's not going to fight for me is what you're saying. >> every day americans are a big coalition. >> are you disappointed the president is not endorsing hillary at this point? >> i believe president obama has said that hillary clinton would make a fine president. >> but he's not endorsing her. >> she hadn't announced her candidacy and he said that just a few days ago. >> are you relieved bill de blasio isn't at this point? >> i think the mayer is absolutely in the category of people for whom she will earn his vote. and i'm confident that she will. they're old friends, that's not the question. >> yes, i'm surprised he didn't
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come out right away. >> i know that she will fight for the mayor's vote. >> all right. tracy, thank you. appreciate it. tracy sefl joining us from hillary's political action committee. a lot more active today at an activist investor conference than the organizers are bargained for. >> protesters demanding higher wages for workers at restaurants like olive garden and mcdonald's, they invaded this conference in manhattan today. that story lit up today's hot list. we'll have details on that and still to come, train. help join a continent with nearly 3 million rugged square miles with a single broadband connection. when emerson takes up the challenge it's never been done before simply becomes consider it solved. emerson.
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opec taking aim at nonmember countries. i'm showing you the major averages and how they closed today. protesters are active at an activists summit. this is on cnbc's hot list. adam wasler joins us with the details. >> it was oil, act viflivism and food. opec came out with a bulletin this morning saying here we are, being nice and stable keeping regular production levels in some nonopec countries.
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okay, that's u.s. and canada just go in and start charging and everything like that. the fun part about this story and the writeup is all the comments underneath of all our readers saying, hey, opec welcome to capitalism okay? that's one. another one, you don't see this at an investor conference all that often. the 13-b monitor active passive investor conference got hit with a protest. a bunch of people walking in holding signs saying hedge fund billionaires, pay your fair share. okay. they were taking aim at some of the guys there that tend to invest in fast food outfits and protesting the minimum wage level. they wanted $15. we got video and readers have been watching that. finally, we have fast food wars getting ugly in pennsylvania. mcdonald's restaurants, a few of them, are offering a free egg mcmuffin with anyone who comes in with a taco bell breakfast receipt. it shows you breakfast is the
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new battle ground. breakfast sales went up 7% lunch and dinner 3%. that's where the fast food guys tend to be aiming. they're gettinghere too, this time. kelly will be back on thursday. >> i'm sorry. >> that's okay allen. you didn't get the memo. >> i can't see. >> who is going to win the fast food wars here at breakfast? are you looking at any of these companies that are invading each other's spaces here dan? >> no. listen i think the restaurants in general have major issues facing them. i will say there's colorly breakfast aside there's clearly winners and losers. when you look at some of the major companies, they've had trouble reorganizing themselves. other companies that are a little smaller are growing very fast. >> gee, which one is he talking about? >> there's such brand creep. everybody is getting into the breakfast mode. everybody has coffee and the specialty drinks salads. >> i'm not a real american so i don't really count but anytime i
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eat a fast food breakfast i fail is how i feel. so i think nobody really wins. >> what are you talking about? an egg white mcmuffin. it's under 300 calories. >> and now you can get it for free. >> it's microwaved and covered in salt. >> if i have to eat an egg white mcmuffin, i'm not going to be happy. i need some yolk. >> real americans eat mcdonald's. >> you're right, they do. >> i don't know -- >> they eat mcdonald's and they vote and caucus. >> all right. thanks allen. good to have you on. >> oh brother. >> you know them from their hits like "drops of jupiter" and "hey soul sister," coming up next patrick moynahan from the rock band train will be joining us outside the new york stock exchange. he has a business venture he'll tell you about.
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at that time here on cnbc and our executive producer came to us and said she just heard this song on the radio and she wanted to get the band on the show it was called "meet virginia" and it was the first time on cnbc we ever had a musical act on cnbc and ever since -- >> "drops of jupiter." >> we like to say we're the reason train went where they did. >> we're the reason you went -- >> there you go. pat monahan, the lead singer and the brains many say behind train is joining us outside the stock exchange. >> thanks. it's exciting to be around such classy people. >> real people. >> you don't know me that well. >> well at least people who wear tie approximates. >> you're going on tour for "bulletproof picasso." >> may 23rd matt nathanson and the fray. >> very hot band. >> 45 cities around america and it's really exciting. >> is that the only choice you
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have these days you have to tour aloss? because when i look at the breakdown of revenues in the music industry cds get smaller and smaller and touring gets to be this part of the revenue. >> it can be and there was a time where record companies saw the writing on the wall so they started to make different deals. they called them 360 deals, so they would be included in your t-shirt sales, ticket sales, and your record sales because record sales started to become third most popular, and we weren't part of that because we came in early, as you said. we were back in 1946. >> yes. isn't that the biggest change you have seen since we were last together in 1998? i mean the way music is distributed is the -- >> the internet really didn't exist when we came in. it was television and radio. that was the way to get -- and now kids find new music and listen to old music on youtube. so even though radio and television are still strong youtube is becoming king and so is the internet. >> pat, spotify just raised a
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bunch of new money. taylor swift has come out saying the freemium version isn't sustainable. where do you fall on that debate? >> i'm told title came out with a more expensive version of spotify and it sounds like something i'm probably not going to get to be honest. like why would i want to pay more to get the same product? i don't really know the answers to all of it. i mostly feel like my heart goes out to young kids that are going to try to make it in the music business because they have to figure out a new way to get people to care about them enough to make -- >> i'm going to disagree with you there because i think whether it's spotify or pandora, youtube, whatever it is has given a voice to younger artist that is before had found it nearly impossible if not -- >> justin bieber was a youtube star. >> but there's too many avenues to get music and not enough tastemakers. so it's confusing. there's so much to do you almost
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go i'm going to listen to that james taylor radio from 30 years ago. we need taste makers play lists, people to tell you what to listen to. that's what we're trying to learn who to trust. >> you made a comment one time and it made you sad but now you're kind of happy about it. people may not know train but they know your songs, right? >> you know -- >> after all this time. >> it was disappointing in the beginning because you want to be like michael jackson famous and you realize what a hassle that is. i get to say grocery shopping with my kids. >> i also disagree with you there. i have a habit of disagreeing. >> he's a big fan of yours. >> i think now you're a globally recognized if not for your face for being the lead singer but train is in a different category now. >> train is maybe more recognizable but still we still run across oh man, i'm gog see a train concert and many people
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are like i don't know train, and then they say "drops of jupiter," "hey soul sister," oh i love that. >> i mentioned to them before my wife and i, our first dance was a train song "gate toet to me." >> the bad news is my lawyer is going to be asking you for some publishing money for this. >> i have awesome lawyers. >> all right. i take that back. >> tell us about the tour this summer. >> it starts on may 23rd, goes to the end of july and it's a big tour. it's already very successful. we're super excited that after 20 years we still get to play in front of tens of thousands of people. >> do you get tired though? how long can you keep touring? >> i keep saying to myself because i have to i look really good. >> there you go. >> i don't really know the answer to that but as long as it's fun. >> great to see you, pat.
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>> great to be here. >> we're glad it worked out for train. those young guys we saw all those years ago. >> if you ever need a replacement, i'm very not interested. >> if you need a replacement, i'm a really good guitar player. >> pat monahan from train. we have sara eisen coming up with "fast money." >> take it away sara. >> "fast money" starts right now. live from the nasdaq market site overlooking new york's times square i'm sara eisen in for melissa lee. our traders are pete najarian brian kelly, and guy adami. netflix popping on talks of a looming stock split. is it too late to get into the high flying streaming play. and jordan spieth being called under armour's hero. under armour's shares soaring today. will spieth kick off another run for the stock.

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