p.m. tonight. very easy go to twitter, hit the hash tag. doesn't cost you anything. >> if you threw in 94 bucks we could make it an even 91,000. >> i'm doing it as we speak. >> you already did it melissa. >> brian get on it. i'll see you tonight at 5:00. "closing bell" starts right now. hi and welcome to the "closing bell," everybody, i'm kelly evans down here at the new york stock exchange. bill, we've seen a pretty big turn around today. >> we have. a big sell-off on the open this morning. trishry yields moved to the highest level on the ten-year since we've seen since last november. got to 2.36 on the ten-year note pushing stock prices down sharply. everything has reversed itself now in the last few hours. >> it's like a staircase watching that ten-year. yesterday it was 2.2. the session before it was 2.1. it's been relentless even though we've come off the highs. treasury prices are rallying

back after the ten-year hit a six-month high earlier in the session. we talk to pimco chief officer scott mather in just a few minutes. >> and treasury yields across the pond as well have had a huge gain. also that picasso painting sold at auction last night, a record $179 million. economist norle ra lle lle -- nouriel roubini will be here. he thinks some people use expensive art as a form of money laundering, unquote. he's at it again. >> he's dr. doom of the art market. with an hour to go in the trading session, the dow is down about 18 points. again, fall back into positive territory. an ounce of downward pressure only a little bit. the s&p and nasdaq giving up

0.2% right now. 4 points and 10 points respectively. that level for the nasdaq 4983. let's talk about this in our "closing bell" exchange for this tuesday. chris ressler is with us rob morgan checks in from sethy financial and kevin guinness from raymond james is with us so is ken moret. kevin, you're head of fixed income there at raymond james. i asked the gang if they could give us a chart of the ten-year bund going back a month. that's been a huge gain there. and now we've got the ten-year here in the united states moving back up as well. what's going on in your view? why now? >> you know bill it's been an interesting last couple of weeks as you mentioned, german tens went to 70 basis points in a

real short period of time, two weeks time. in dealing with that the long end of the treasury market where a lot of that money came went back to work across the pond. so while those yields back up they were buying along the way. that continues. today was a breakthrough day for the bond market though. we were dependent upon what happened in europe overnight, kind of the weaker open this morning. if we didn't get a good three-year note auction he can gould to to 3.40, 3.50 quickly. it was exciting. >> are people suddenly waking up and realizing the fed will start raising interest rates or is this responding to better growth prospects? what do you think is the reason here? >> yes no, i think that the european markets are probably moving our treasury markets here. we had a tailwind for quite a bit of time. you know they're setting out over there. i think money is just coming back to more normal markets right now. >> let me bring you in on that one. what do you see happening here?

>> i think it's mostly market mechanics. i like to call it market logistics. i think, you know it was exactly two weeks ago today, bill, that we closed yield above a 29 session closing ten-year note range from 186 to 199. i've said this many times. the minute the day, two weeks ago you closed above that 2% close. we haven't looked back since. >> right. >> that consolidation gave you a good glimpse that the market was tightly packed with the long bias the reason yields couldn't go any lower is because they had security stuffed in every box. i think the lead-in to eurozone qe also packed the world pretty tightly. everybody offsideses, global market,en call i think it makes sense. the next issue is mario draghi will probably address this with more fine tune purchases. in the end, i wouldn't dismiss the notion that two levels 2.17 where we closed the tens last year, 2.24 the-year-old double

top until midlast week should we start to settle above those levels we could see the foot come off of this margin call scenario. right now i would look for the wee hours of morning to be potentially traps for illiquid moves, a lot like last night and a capitulation move will give us a clue as to when this ends. my own opinion, i don't think we've seen it. one thing for sure i don't think it has to do with global economic growth. >> market mechanisms last week you said you felt maybe the range on the ten-year had moved up. maybe the 2% would be the new support level there. what about on the ten-year bund now that we've had a huge move there. are you setting a new range there, do you think? >> no. as a matter of fact, we think alike, bill. i told leslie my producer to have a chart starting april 1st of bund yields. does that look like a chart that's going to turn off now? i don't think so. >> that raises the question of

how european and u.s. equities will perform if this continues. what do you see happening? >> i think what's going to happen is the u.s. economy is going to continue to show signs of improvement. i think probably towards the latter part of this year we might see the fed say they're going to raise interest rates. if they do i believe that will bring money over here to the united states for both reasons, our economy is getting better and, therefore, they want to buy our stocks. in addition interest rates are higher over here than they are here. they're looking for-year-old. they'll come over. in both instances it will benefit us. the volatility we're seeing is a precursor for a breakout on the upside when it comes to the stock market and the downside potentially when it comes to the bond market. >> rob morgan what are you going to do with u.s. equities if we see a rise in the yields if that continues? >> i would agree with ken, bill. with the caveat though that at some point the fed is going to take the punch bowl away and stocks will come back to earth.

typically that happens well that a fed rate hike campaign. six months to a year. when the fed does raise rates, that's when i'm going to take a little bit off the table, go from an overweight in stocks to a market weight and start to see signs that the party is coming to an end. i think the stocks u.s. stocks in particular still a good place to be right now. >> anthony chan our friend was making a point on the show yesterday, rob, there are two different ways that stocks perform when rates are moving higher. one is the bad way when it's because of inflation. the other is the good way when there's no inflation, there's better economic prospects. he thinks we're in the latter cycle and that will make stocks continue to be attractive for a couple of years. do you disagree with that? >> no. i agree with that kelly. i think in a low interest rate environment, the stock market can support higher p/es. we saw this many times in the post world war ii period. i do agree with that. i'm not sure -- thonn's a good friend. i'm not sure that i agree that

that will continue for several years but certainly at least for the next 12 months and perhaps a little bit longer than that. >> it's okay anthony's used to having people disagree with him, that's for sure. kevin guinness what about your view on inflation and rick's contention? what we're seeing is more market mechanism than any response to fundamentals right now. >> yes, bill totally agree with what rick's position on that. this is really nothing about fundamentals. it's all about market sentiment. i do think that tomorrow is another big day with the auction of the ten years. we've seen twos to tens spread out 35 basis points in about ten days which does make them attractive. so we'll see whether we find buyers again tomorrow. the range is so much different than where we wanted it to be maybe 2.30 to the high and just under 2 to the low. i do think inflation will remain under control for quite some time that that could go well into next year. >> okay.

>> right now i don't see the fed acting at all in 2015. >> chris, do us a favor. i was going to say to chris, if you don't mind we'd love to hear names, ideas, that people can use for opportunity regardless of this period that we're entering. companies you see as disruptive innovative transformative enough to be good investments regardless. >> we're very positive on equities. i think it's obvious that the fixed income market is at risk if rates are rising. equities are the place to be. we like disruptive technology companies. one name i'll put out there, super microcomputers does a lot of the engineering behind the big data the cloud, great product lines, has traded off here in the last earnings season. we think it's a great value relative to growth. fireeye, secure plays. we like semicap equipment as moore's law gets pushed out and further into capex, we think it's a good second half setting up from guys like taiwan semiand

samsung. >> we'd be remiss to let this segment end without addressing the u.s. budget surplus that we just posted. i think it was the fifth biggest in history. >> what surplus? what surplus? >> truly federal budget surplus. >> there's no surplus. >> yes, for the last month. >> there's no surplus. >> yes, yes. >> certainly, certainly, for one month. >> sometimes i pay my credit cards off one month out of 12 too. >> i understand it's tax season but there's more money coming into the treasury than most people realize. i think that's true for a lot of municipalities like it is true for the federal government. >> look at the picture starting from 2020 to 2022. this is a stall. yes, we have smaller budget deficits because they were so high, close to 1.5 trillion. the debt keeps wracking up. that hasn't slowed down. as far as the tax revenues, we're collecting a boat load of taxes but yet the economy in terms of its efficiency and

productivity continues to go down, not the kind of recipe for success i would have signed up for. >> all right. had to mention it. thanks, everybody. >> what did you expect? >> i wanted to hear 50 minutes to go till the close. appreciate it this afternoon. the dow is trying to turn positive for the second time today. it's down about 9 points as we speak. the s&p a little bit closer down 4, the nasdaq down 8. coming up, when these guys speak, wall street ened its to listen. pimco chief investment officer scott mather will be here, plus nouriel roubini. up next what does verizon's $4.4 billion purchase of aol mean for the telecom giant stock. the pros will hash that out. stay with us on the "closing bell."

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welcome back. one of the other trends we were following is a snap-back rally in energy prices. wti and crude, up almost 3%. it was up 4% earlier in the

session. pulled back just a little bit. a healthy gain of 3.6%. that has taken a toll on the dow transportation average. >> also looked to as a bellwether. >> shares of rack space are getting slammed, they with warning their current quarter revenues will fall short of estimates. at least four brokerage houses have cut their price target on the stock by as much as 5 to as low as $50 here. watch those shares down by 13%. vhp trading up 1.5%. it plans to slash its iron ore production costs further and cut spending to better withstand a downturn in commodity prices overall, those shares up by 1.5%. then there are shares of aol, of course hitting a 15-month high on news it's being bought out by telecom giant verizon. the $4.4 billion deal will give verizon access to aol successful digital advertising service as

well as content including at least for now, the huffington post and mapquest. we'll see those shares moving today on that news. back over to you guys. in the weak of today, a surprising aol deal is it time to dial up verizon stock? >> that's brawl that out. marian montane. good to see you both. maryann you like verizon for a lot of reasons, don't you, including this deal with aol? >> yes, we do. we bought the stock for the 4% plus dividend yield at our income and growth portfolio but we think that this acquisition, you know at just 7.5 times ebitda is an attractive way to add to what they had already started in acquiring some small digital type of plays. digital marketing plays. >> kevin, maybe you can help

explain to me what verizon is doing getting into the advertising business. >> well verizon's core mobile broadband access business is showing seens of a maturity and pressure caused by t-mobile and more recently sprint. we think that business goes ex-growth, verizon is trying to diversify into advertising, internet of things and other revenue streams to try to make up for the slowing growth in its core business. >> you're skeptical this is going to work right? >> you know look i think let's put in perspective, this is a small acquisition for verizon. it's a little over 1% of the company's ebitda. frankly a one dollar price decline in core wireless business has roughly double the ebitda impact on an annual basis in the entire aol transaction. it's going to be years before we understand whether the ad tech they're purchasing here for video works and they're going to

be competitive against the established players, the titans in that industry, google, facebook. these are really the leaders in the mobile ad video ad business. and verizon has never really been in this business before. and it's really going to be butting heads with the googles and facebooks of the world going forward. and we're not sure that verizon is going to win that battle. >> maryann, same question to you. does buying aol, does it make sense? are the synergies there, do you think? >> yes, first of all, just with data delivery, verizon has fios or fiber-optic system to swiftly move the pay tv type of programming into issue gadgets, wherever they may be, however large they might be. and then really i think the core crux of the deal though is on this ad procurement business. and i think verizon has been in the business. they've been studying this

business. they've made these other acquisitions, they know they want to go after this. if by chance they have the opportunity to sell off huffington at a later date for rumored as much as a billion dollars, it's like so be it that could be growth. >> these are still small relative to verizon. this is an enormous company and to kevin's point, how much are these going to move the needle unless you expect more to follow? >> i do expect more to follow. i think that it may be the key delivery system for the future utilizing verizon's asset base. and unlike that deal with at&t and comcast, this is a very low infrastructure type of line of business. so there won't be a lot of cash required and we'll still see you know, cash dividends growing to the shareholders. >> kevin, what would have to happen at verizon for you to raise your guidance on this company? >> well i think you'd have to see a more constructive

competitive outlook in the wireless space. i think we have t-mobile rolling out 700 which is our top pick in the space, rolling out 700 mega hertz low-band spectrum. they're going to be targeting low-price enterprise customers like quarry and others. they'll also be going out suburban family plans, four and five-line, five-line. we think they'll be going after these subscribers. the wireless landscape for the incumbents particularly verizon gets worse and they have about 85% of their ebitda in the u.s. wireless market. we think they made a mistake doubling down on the vodafone transaction early in 2014. >> right. >> this just compounded their problems at the top of the wireless market cycle here. as, you know we have very high limited growth left in the market and pricing in the

marketplace today is very, very aggressive and verizon is driving some of those pricing promotions. >> by the way, i mean just looking, maryann makes the point, she buys it for the yield as well kevin. it's yielding 4.4%. that's pretty attractive right now, don't you think? >> wow. >> we prefer at&t with a 5.7% yield. we think that they're very close to getting final approval for the directv transaction. we think institutional active ownership of at&t is at very low levels and very high levels at verizon. and you're getting about 140, 150 basis points more yield at at&t. we expect upward consensus revisions for at&t and downward revisions for verizon with the sale of the frontier assets which is expected to close in q2 of next year. we have an underowned stock in at&t where we think numbers are going up. and a more of a consensus idea in verizon where we think

numbers are going down. that's why we very strongly prefer at&t over the next 12 months. >> very good. >> understood. thank you both maryann montagne and kevin smidgen with mcquarry. we have a market that's still trying to turn positive. the dow is down a couple of points. s&p, same deal nasdaq down 0.2%. >> big comeback when you consider the low of the day was down 100 points. >> and scott mather pimco ceo. >> find out where scott thinks it goes from here.

welcome back. honing in on markets here just about half an hour to go in the session. here's a look at what has been driving the action today, in large part it's been the yield and the ten-year note. >> when it hit 2.36 that's around 9:30 mark that was a six-month high on ten-year yield and the dow was down sharply as a result. then you saw the yield move lower on the ten-year. >> u.s. markets have been more volatile lately. they're not alone in that. weakness is winding its way through government bonds across the globe and that's putting pressure on equities too. what lies ahead. >> we welcome back scott mather the chief investment officer for

u.s. core strategies at pimco. welcome back. good to see you again. >> thanks. good afternoon, bill and kelly. >> what is your version of why yields have been rising as much as they have? especially on the ten-year bund in germany which has since the beginning of april has risen appreciably? what do you think is going on here? >> that's right. surprising as this global sell-off has been it's equally surprising to see the narratives out there in the marketplace used to explain it. many are inconsistent with the price action we've seen. for instance, one idea is that well maybe it's inflation. people are betting after all this easy monetary policy beginning to see the markets price in successful reflation if you will. when you look at equities which should do well, they're having trouble as well. that's not very consistent with the price action either. you know another idea is well maybe it's because the fed is closer to moving. while we believe that is true

probably this summer and there is grains of truth in that that's not really very satisfying looking at the nature of the global sell-off. it's been led, as you mentioned by the bond markets moving in advance of the u.s. we think it's more likely there are other factors, supply is one big one that is not talked about very often. we have a record amount of corporate supply perhaps over 150 billion or so in the last month or so. it's well above expectations. it will be negative heading into the summer. this is a week where we see the treasury refunding, too. on top of all of that another big factor that doesn't get enough attention is what happens with the trend following community? by that i mean those strategies that employ quantitative models to follow trends? and things like value risk models and ctas and risk parody models. it's a large pool of capital that we think has shifted from

being long the bond mark tote following a trend of short the bond market. >> i take your point about explanation, though i still don't quite follow the supply argument. i don't understand why the models would shift. everybody is saying we're in this trading range because we're in this trading range. maybe that's it. maybe it's just that simple and there's nothing more to it. it seems like something has fundamentally change. maybe it is as imsimsimple as people believing in brighter plans across europe. >> as soon as they see a certain draw down they reverse in takeoff positions. when volatility picks up even if it's a directionless back and forth type of movement they de-risk. that's behind what they see in the strategies changing their behavior. >> if europe is, you know a couple years behind us in trend, in terms of the impact that quantitative easing has on the markets, yields on our long-term treasuries stayed very low for a

while as the quantitative easing was taking an impact. why would the ten-year bund be moving higher as they're just beginning their quantitative easing process right now? that doesn't make sense. >> well, that's right. that's why we think a lot has to do with the trend following commune. it's been a popular position for them to have to be long european bond for those fundamental reasons we all know of. the european cycle is lagging. we think there's probably a bit of an overshoot where european bonds have shot up too far relative to the rest of the world. undoubtedly, low global bond yields are here to stay. that will be an influence on the u.s. market. one of the reasons we think we're probably through the worst of the sell-off. >> sounds lake you'd be buying ten-year bunds right now? >> there's a number of strategies. i mentioned before, inflation

linked bonds, a sector that should be ignored by the mark the. certainly all themes that -- corporate or equity names that would benefit from u.s. dollar strength. we think that's a trend that will re-assert itself. >> there are a couple of things that have people scratching their heads, one is whether this moving-year-old continues. it sounds like you think this is pretty much the end. ultimately if we're talking about -- maybe we're not talking about better fundamentals. can you clarify whether you think this is all because of better growth prospects in europe and the u.s. or not? if it's divorced from that and purely based on other factors in the market. >> yes, we don't think -- there hasn't been much in the way of news to support this move from a fundamental basis. it is our expectation, it was the market's expectation going into the year that there would be a higher trend rate of growth in europe and the u.s. we got off to a slow start in the u.s. we still think growth will be

trending higher here and in europe. it's hard to say that's really a reason for this type of bond market move. we think the answer is a lot more to do with the technicals, as i mentioned, the supply picture changing so dramatically in the course of a few weeks. >> we still have to ask about the outflows of the total return fund. i mean, i'm not going to answer the question for you but it occurs to me as i think about that, it might take manufacture the heat off of you guys not being number one anymore and is it easier to manage the smaller amount of money than it was when it was the behemoth that it was? >> we're always focused on performance delivering excellent results to our clients. it's true when we were smaller and larger we've been able to do that historically in various sizes. we're used to managing large flows. it's part of our daily business. we're confident in our ability to continue excellent results now and in the future. >> on the 20th anniversary of that total return fun. congrats on that scott. thanks for being here this

afternoon. >> thank you. >> that's scott mather, the chief investment officer at pimco. time for a "cnbc news update" with sue herera. here's what's happening, president obama took part in a panel discussion on poverty at georgetown university saying recent unrest in the u.s. has increased awearness of income inequality in america. he added there's no reason to think the cycle of poverty cannot be combatted effectively. dramatic video shows a land slade following the 7.3 magnitude earthquake in nepal. the death toll rising. now it stands at 66 including 17 in neighboring india. more than 1,100 people have been injured. a choking hazard has appropriated the recall of more than 13,000 toy cars. the recall involves shillings police press and go toy vehicles. the hat on the toy can detach from the policeman's head, cause problems for young children. the flight of the century generated record pay per view

revenue in the u.s. the fight bringing in $400 million, smashing the old record of 150 million from a previous mayweather bout. there were 4.4 million buys another record and worldwide receipts are expected to top $500 million. that's your "cnbc news update" this hour. back to you guys. >> thank you, sue. i know we were part of those dollars. were you? >> you know i'll be frank. i tried to buy it and i couldn't. i got caught in that whole cable thing where i couldn't get in. >> no kidding. >> that figure could or should have been higher. >> sue, did you catch it? >> i did not. maybe i had been covering it for too long and decided i'm done. i'll read about it in the morning. >> totally understand. it was tough staying awake at the end for a number of reasons. >> even for manny. >> thank you very much sue. sue herera back at headquarters. 030 minutes to go a little

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president obama winds down his term from the democratic left. you mentioned hillary clinton. is it not perfectly obvious to you whatever she says now she is for this deal having promoted it as secretary of state? >> the energy is on the left in the democratic party. and i don't know what she really thinks but she's being pulled in that direction because of her campaign for president. >> politics. >> you can see the rest of my speakeasy with mitch mcconnell tomorrow morning beginning on "squawk box." meantime there will be negotiations between trade authority and republicans in the white house to try to figure out how to get past the democratic objections. >> we love the speakeasy series. it's like politicos getting coffee. >> exactly. >> great interviews. he gets politicos to open up the way they never have before. great stuff. see you later. >> thanks very much. ten minutes to go until the

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welcome back. joining ug right now, jeremy hill and bob pisani is here as well. i was reading your notes about the market. one of the questions you're asking are whether central banks are losing control over global bond markets. the cynics will say did they ever have control? yields are rising right now. do they want that to be happening. >> i don't think they want that to be happening but there's a lot of evidence they have control over global bond markets. the bond yields have sold off enough

where we'll see buyers come back. what i mean is the circularity of credit you have to fulfill certain statutory obligations. buying a treasury bonn at 1.9% is worse than buying it at 2.2% which is where we are today. >> bob, what kind of impact is this having on stocks? >> it's really causing traders to get confused because the exact cause of it is difficult to figure out. is it the german bund market the fundamentals in the u.s.? is it a problem with liquidity in the bond market? it's hard to sort out the thread. you can see the influence. look at the three-year option. at 1:00 the option came in pretty well. rick gave it an "a." the stock market moved up on that. yields moved down. the stock market moved up on that. all throughout the day-year-olds were calmer the stock market was calmer. tomorrow we get a 10 and 30-year auction. if demand is strong there, i anticipate rates will calm down

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welcome back. this is the yield on the ten-year this morning hitting 2.36. 2.36%, highest level we've seen since last november. then it came lower. now, remember this trading pattern. let's show you the dow and what happened today. the industrial average mirroring this, it opened lower, down over 100 points on the open this morning as that yield was at 2.36. yield came down, stock prices came back. we did go positive briefly, hour and a half or so ago. we are going to finish the day minus 29 points here. jeremy hill what are you going to do with equities if we are going to see the gradual rise in yields here? >> there are areas you can buy. one of the areas we like a lot

are health care stocks. we think they got punished unduly over the last 30 days. even more impressive than earnings have been top-line revenues which bodies well for the immediate future. there are areas of credit that are more attractive after this sell-off. >> like? >> surprisingly we'll look at high yield bonds here. they haven't participated in the sell-off you would have thought. >> they've been trying to buy regional banks. you get a steepening-year-old curve there. >> they would benefit. >> the kre, the regional bank etf hit new highs as people were trying to buy into this. that's been moving up since the end of april. the problem is traders have no way of knowing what the right price is for the ten-year yield right now. if it's a fundamental issue, are they telling us -- >> they are confused about what they should be doing. >> they have to figure out the price of the ten-year tomorrow. >> and 30-year on wednesday.

>> on the next day as well. thanks very much. we'll check with you later come off the lows of the day appreciably as the yield on the ten-year called the shots. we'll see tomorrow when that ten-year is auctioned off by the treasury what kind of yield we get on that one as well. stay tuned. a whole lot coming up on this second hour of the "closing bell" with kelly evans and company. i'll see you tomorrow. thank you, bill. welcome to the "closing bell," everybody. i'm kelly evans. let's begin with how we're finishing a session on wall street that had the dow down 180 points earlier. going out with a decline of only 37. larger were the declines across the s&p which gave up 6. it is down back at 2099. 4,976 is the level on the nasdaq. we have cnbc krber of evan

newmark, sayre are eisen and kenny polcari. tim, everybody welcome. let me start with you, evan. for at least seven years you've been saying interest rates are going to rise. >> seven years. >> now it's going to happen. how much are you making a move today? >> i think it's significant. i said last week when you were on vacation, a significant week for you to be off, i said the story of last week was the bond market and it's continuing last week. >> i was here. >> you were here sara. >> i remember. >> what i would say to all you bond market bulls, stop being such a bunch of cry babies. they've had 30 years of a bull market and all of a sudden the bond market backs up and they're freaking out. >> i'm not sure anybody is freaking out. did you hear scott mather from pimco. he said the sell-off is over he didn't seem too bother by it.

>> your viewers should be fully aware that scott mather and everybody who appears on cnbc talks their own book. one of the world's largest bond managers is not going to come on and say, guess what sell-off has only just begun. >> they have unconstrained funds where they can short funds. >> there's no way -- i just told him, everybody comes on and talks their own book. i do think it's significant. for viewers out there, they should keep in mind the following. first of all, there doesn't need to be an exact reason for bubbles to be popped. i do believe we've been in a bond market bubble for some time. >> all right. >> second is things can happen really fast as the last couple weeks have shown people. the third thing i would advise people to really understand what it means to hold the long-term bonds and what the exact nature of the risk reward tradeoff is. people don't really understand that. >> we'll come back to that last point in a sec, kenny. i'm interested what effect this

upward move in yields that we're talking about is having on stocks. >> obviously this morning it had a big effect. it was initiated by the dudley comments and the goldman sachs note on all of a sudden there was an excitement overexuberance cause be stocks around the world to sell off. i think there's a short-term effect. i think the minute they bring it up, it creates all this excitement. in the long run, i actually think it's okay. >> they're handling it pretty well, you say? >> i think the market handled it pretty well. >> that's what you're reading in the research. >> i think it started with the japanese bond sale that was disappointing overnight. this is fairly a global move. and it's a little unsettling to see such outside moves in bonds just like it was in currencies a few weeks ago when we saw those crazy moves. the fear broadly speaking is if this is a position unwind a correction or a fundamental

change in the bull market the question is on liquidity, which is something new for the markets and given all the financial regulars, what's that going to mean when you have some of these positions unwind? >> sure. >> the fed can fix the liquidity problem really fast. they're holding up 3 to $4 trillion of long-term paper. they could fix the liquidity problem. they wouldn't dare do it. >> it's defined by buyers and sellers in a market. if all of a sudden everybody is a seller wouldn't that make it worse? >> it would drive markets higher. >> kenny. >> if there are no buyers you have the vicious, violent moves. you can also end up getting that in the stock market as well. when you talk about a liquidity problem, let's not just talk about the bond market. it could easily hit the stock market when you see it start to fall out of bed. if people think we're overvalued, the buyers will pullback. they'll be there but it will be at a much lower price. >> nothing fundamentally has

changed with the u.s. economy, this is not a u.s.-driven move. >> nothing fundamentally has changed you say. you've had people buying european bonds with negative yields. i mean do people ever stem back and go wait a second that's crazy. >> it's not people. a lot of it's institutions. >> jump in here. >> that's the view here. and evan makes a decent point or he's getting to a point where this adjustment, it's coming from europe. if you look at the move at the same time the bond has moved 65 70 bits in the last two weeks, so has the spanish-ten year. europe is readjusting right now. i would make an argument that a lot of this is from the move in oil. remember, oil pushed the ecb to be much more aggression knife january. a lot of this is just an unwind an adjustment. getting the ten-year back to 250 to 275 doesn't do anything to equities or the cost of capital or the risk factors. that's what we're doing right

now. >> hold those thoughts for just a second. we have breaking news in a multimillion dollar cancer drug to get to. meg tirrell joining us with the details. we're looking at vertex which just had news. looking at whether to approve its isis tick fibrosis drug orkambi. that should be positive for vertex. there was discussion during the day, tough questions to the panel and people have really said this may get approved. analysts coming out, giving this a near 100 chance of approval by july. good news for vertex for its cystic fibrosis drug there. >> we'll watch the trading action on that tomorrow. meg, thank you. tim, want to get you back into this conversation. if a lot of people are starting to move their money into the u.s. because of better prospects, higher bond yields relative to other places et

cetera, what does that mean for the emerging markets who benefited from the whole low rate we badly need return anywhere we can get it period. is it over for them? >> emerging markets were trading very well in april and the early part of may, i should say the last part of march and all of april when the dollar was going a lot of dodge. they were trading i think with an expectation that the fed will love and that emerging markets have been waiting for the first rate hike. that ill with be a time to be almost all in on the em asset class. i think we're in a place we're starting to see better growth around the world. we've talked about china. what they've been doing over the last three weeks or even over the last month and a half is not necessary. it's also not a reason for doom and gloom. their monetary policy has been too tight. they've been adjusting monetary policy. it hasn't been a fiscal policy response. that's very good. there's even talk today there's an ltro program happening in china. if you look at emerging markets as a place for capital, yes, it's underperformed over the

last four years assen aasset class. the commodities are also a place you're starting to see people see commodity price basing. that will mean that the underlying producers can underperform. you don't need a super cycle again to see that allocation make sense. >> ltr, that was the reference there which europe did a few years back. kenny, what were you going to say? >> wouldn't the initial tags of an ltro program talk about the weakness in china, not the strength in china? >> people want to believe and on some level you can't deny china has a credit problem. it's a systemic risk that's about to play? i say absolutely no way. i say china is in a better position to pay for their mistakes than any other economy in the world. an ltro will allowed government debt to be use as collateral. i think it's a very positive event. it's not a reason to be fearful. >> i want to go back to europe for a second. guys, it does seem like europe's growth prospects are kind of

driving the cart right now. evan, because you've been so critical over the years about europe's general growth prospects, i wonder if your argument about the bond market is true does europe have to be turning a corner here and putting in several quarters maybe several years now? >> i'm just -- you know i step back and i go what are the prospects globally? i go kind of market by market. i think the u.s. has a lot going for it. the u.s. can grow 2 1/2 to 3.5% a year. it's hard to envision italy or france growing at 3% or 4% a year. it's hard to see it. i think the key thing will be greece in the short term. the sooner greece gets thrown out of the euro, the better for everybody. i think europe can then move forward. i think the euro would strengthen. >> we've seen an improvement in europe. they've exited from this deflationary spiral as the european central bank has revved up and bought bonds.

with this slow growth that's another case. you see mohammed al aryan saying global yields will stay low. >> it's a question of what is the right price of money. we've had for the last few years is the central bank messing around in the words of chuck berry, too much monkey business. i don't want to get involved with it. i think that was chuck berry's line. there's too much tinkering by all the central banks. the price of money globally has not been set. until you have the central banks step back we don't know really what the yield should be on bonds. >> tim, i'll give you the last word here. >> let's not try to condemn central banks. it is what it is. if europe and the euro are 30% cheaper than a year ago, that's a major elixir for a major part

of the economy. this is positive for europe and you will see it in second quarter earnings. >> that's a great point. tim seymour, appreciate it. catch much more of tim coming up with the "fast money" crew at 5:00. they'll be asking kara fisher what they thinks of verizon's $4 billion purchase of aol today. you don't want to miss that. today the deal finally happened. it was verizon buying the company for nearly $4.5 billion. few saw this union coming. it could be a way to jump start verizon's move into content and mobile ads. we'll talk how and why, next. and nouriel roubini will join us to talk when he thinks the fed will raise interest rates and how it will impact the bond market. you're watching cnn, business worldwide. ♪ ♪ see the whole picture...

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one company was known for you've got mail the other asks the question can you hear me now? today, verizon and aol will have to come up with a new advertising slogan after announcing the phone giant will buy the online pioneer for $4.4 billion. plus as part of the deal aol has reportedly been in advance talks to spin off huffington post content. we're joined now by frank

adonte ceo of rubicon project and betsy morgan ceo of the blaze and the former ceo of huffington post. welcome to you both. betsy, huge news. what do you think verizon has planned for aol? >> clearly, verizon is all about mobile and content. tim's got a great mobile strategy. he's got a great video strategy and he has a fantastic content strategy and a phenomenal asset in huffington post. >> we understood that aol has put itself in an attractive position, i guess, as a media and advertising platform. why is this company a logical fit for verizon. >> as verizon moves toward a mobile first strategy and focuses on video content, what tim's done and arianna has done with huff post live they're going to get a fantastic amount of content.

>> is that what you think this is all about, ultimately? we'll see a lot more of channels like the huffington post? >> the con ten is the important and the advertising technology assets aol has. the advertising market is a $300 billion and growing market. the automated part of the advertising is the fastest growing segment of that. aol has invested heavily into their assets. i think that's an important part of this deal as well. half the revenue comes from the advertising assets. >> sure. kenny? >> i think it's a great -- i think it caught the market by surprise. look what happened in the stock today, it traded above the price, closed above the price. >> aol did, you're talking about. >> aol traded above the bid price. the market tells you it suspects that there's a better deal coming, that there's a better price coming because why would people people be maying 50.50 for it today when the deal was

$50 at the end of the summer. keep your eyes open for another piece to this story. >> evan? >> i think it could just be a low premium deal. so a lot of the institutional shareholders may be going, you know what for verizon, this is chump change. i'm not trying to diminish the great achievements of the aol board and ceo but in the scheme of things for verizon, it's chump change. it's a cheap option for them. and if you're an institutional shareholder that's been holing on to your aol, you've been taking out with an 18% premium. you're going, you know what we may be able to hold verizon up for a little more money. >> 18 times ebitda is how they valued it. which is narrow. >> the institutional shareholders are going, you know what we don't know why verizon -- >> do you think huffington post is worth a billion dollars? >> maybe huff post will transact

after this. they were told to aol for a little over $300 million a few years ago. it's a grow is asset. they've been extremely well overseas. they've done extremely well with huff post live. i think we're seeing that content matters. there's a value to con ten. it would be extraordinary. >> does content matter? >> absolutely it matters. >> what evidence do we have that huffington post or any of the publishing -- >> people go where the shows are. >> you watch shows on -- >> you go to netflix if you want to watch "orange is the new black." >> have you watched a show on huffington post? >> i have not. >> do they make money? >> all ad supported businesses and all ad supported businesses doing well in the marketplace. >> do they make profit? >> i don't know -- >> frank? >> i think this is where the automated advertising portion of this is important. verizon has the pipes for both

mobile as well as video and television. aol has content but aol also has the monetization capabilities for that. making money in advertising is certainly challenging without having these technology capabilities where this market is moving toward programatic and automation. >> it's a key point, betsy. people are wondering whether ultimately the idea is to keep huffington post as part of this combine or spin it out, let it do its thing, if this is a stand alone platform. what's the better option here? >> huff post did very well under aol. it grew tremendously. tim gave arianna and the huff post team autonomy to run their business and they grew because of it. i think in a multiscreen, multiplatform universe it could do even better. >> i would be surprised if verizon would do anything but want to keep it after this.

>> it's a fantastic asset. >> i hear you. it's such a great asset. >> if verizon is transforming itself into a company that's more about this programmatic automated advertising, that's a big transition for verizon to make perhaps it's that technology as opposed to a delivery platform. >> as till said this morning, they're betting on ott, over the top. over the top for audiences that matter, whether that's a huff post audience whether that's a blaze audience audiences matter. >> i think on this the ad tech point, interesting point, frank, it seems like you're following this side of the story. are there any other independent ad tech companies that would be worth a lot more for instance? does yahoo! have assets that are now valuable because of this? >> i think, again, the fastest growing portion of the advertising market is the automated or programmatic portion of the market. it's grown to $30 billion of this $300 billion market has become automated in the past few years. >> wow. >> companies that have these

automated capabilities certainly. yahoo! has assets on the buy side of it. it's an area they haven't been particularly strong to date. i think it's an area they're trying to invest in. google has done a great job. they've invested billions of dollars in advertising advertising technology stocks. we pioneer these whole category of programmatic capability eight years ago when we founded the company. >> only eight years ago. >> betsy, before we go do you think that verizon is the best owner for aol at this point? >> i think verizon is a terrific owner for aol. and i'd love to see verizon buy more content offerings and double down in the mobile space and the content space. >> such as the blaze? >> such as the blaze. >> i'd like to see verizon fix fios that should be going into my building. >> so privileged. that should be verizon's priority instead of buying the huffington post. >> thank you, everybody.

appreciate it. betsy morgan ceo of the blaze. it was a record night in the world of art. a pa cassicasso painting selling for a record $179 million. my next guest isn't impressed by the soaring art prices. nouriel roubini said some people use art, especially expensive art as a form of money laundering. he explains why, straight ahead. and bigger doesn't necessarily equal safer. in the latest round of suv crash tests, we'll tell you which automaker make the grade and which are failing. that's coming up on the "closing bell."

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it was a historic night for christie's. here in new york city selling this picasso painting for $179 million. but don't go thinking art should be your next big investment. joying me now for his take on this market and many more here in a cnbc exclusive is nouriel roubini, co-founder of roubini global economics. welcome back. >> good being with you. >> you have said we shouldn't necessarily read into these art prices as some kind of asset class. this is frankly money laundering. >> in some cases, there have been cases in which art has been use as money laundering or tax evasion. what i'm saying is that this asset price is high for art becoming an asset class, many

asset prices are too high. you have 2 trillion to $3 trillion equivalent of government bonds. equities are expensive, real estate is expensive, credit is expensive. >> a different kind of money laundering. is this the only asset class where you see evidence that people are using it for ill and that we shouldn't be looking at the prices themselves as indication of markets, you know assigning the correct value? or are there others? there are many other places other kinds of hard assets they've been investing heavily into. >> when you have -- in some financial assets either by money laundering or tax evasion, a variety of financial centers, i think it's the fact that we have zero policy rates in the u.s., in advanced economies we're still doing quantitative ease easing. those liquidity is not going to

credit to the real economy as being part of the surprise it's going to asset deflation. increase home prices equity prices, keep people from being under water. soon enough actions of inflation, and eventually -- and the tools to try to control the credit bubbles are not going to work. if we're going to get into a bubble willing not this year but the next two years, the question is what do central banks do. >> we have the stock market and the bond market. let's start here in the u.s. for example, do you think either one of those has been one of these bubbles? >> i would say that in the case of a stock market, i wouldn't call it a bubble today. p/e ratios are slightly above historical assets. biotech and tech valuations look funny this terms of what's

happening right now. so there is certainly fraud in it. there's not a bubble today. suppose the real economy justifies the fed acting slowly maybe starting in september and by next year 1.5 to 2. if at 0 policy rate you have incentive, it's not going to be much of a difference when interest rates are 1.5%. during the last cycle we with the from 1% policy rate to 5.25. long rates were not going higher as they should be. you had a subprime bubble a housing bubble, a credit and equity bubble. my worry is that the real economy justifies low exit low growth, unemployment is still high but then all this liquidity will go into asset deflation eventually and financial bubble. >> we're not there yet at least in terms of the stock market. >> no. >> the bond market it's actually

the opposite question how much have prices now over the last 30 years or what have you been high? and now the fed starts to raise rates, what happens? what do you think, for example, just to take one, the u.s. ten-year interest rate do you think it keeps moving higher and this is the end of the bull market and bond? >> there's a global element. bund yield in german has fallen. even 2% on a ten-year treasury was more than 0.2 on bunds. we're too low in terms of the yield and now inflation in the eurozone is going higher. some of it is global factor. it will depen on liquidity. the ecb and boj and other central banks do. i expect bond rates will go gradually higher. i don't expect a repeat of what

happened two years ago. >> in may of '13 when bernanke spoke about tapering was a surprise. this time around the fed telegraphed what they're going to do. we don't know if it will be september or later. the fed told us once he starts hiking rates it will be done gradually. most of it is already expected. it's not going to be a significant surprise as inflation goes higher gradually long-term interest rates will go higher. in the short term lack of market liquidity, market makers can be a surprise or otherwise. in inflation, you have a volatile environment. the funmentals suggest a gradual increase in the united states and europe. >> if we had a more abrupt one, would that be more disruptive? there are guys around here that are worried about that. >> certainly the fed and janet

yellen has said she has some concerns about this tantrum occurring, call what whatever you want to. they didn't start tapering until september of that year. too sharp of a backup in longiels that will force the fed to exit lower and later and that will push further down bond yields. if they go up too much too fast too soon compared to what their fundamentals justify, the list will push those yields lower. i don't see a persistent tantrum occurring in this case. >> we have to leave it there. let me close on a simple yes, no question. a year from now, is greece still in the eurozone? >> i would say overall, yes. >> all right. we'll see if that one bears out. nouriel thanks for being here. nouriel roubini is the co-founder of roubini global

financial. here's "cnbc news update" with a sue herera. only one senate democrat tom carper voted for a motion to start considering mr. obama's request for fast track trade authority. that would let the president present trade agreements. congress could ratify or reject but not amened. president obama has officially chosen the south side of chicago for the sight of his presidential library. rahm emanuel making the formal announcement at a youth center on the south side. >> this is a historic day for the city of chicago. and it's an incredible honor. i wanted to begin by thanking the president and the first lady for choosing to build the library in their hometown, the city of chicago. >> a dean at the university of virginia is suing "rolling stone" magazine for $7.5 million over the gang rape on campus story which was later

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many drivers consider su vuxtsuvs to be safer. a report is saying not so fast. phil lebeau has this story for us. hi, phil. >> these crash tests focused on seven midsize suvs, some of them among the most popular model when you look at this video it's pretty clear that the crashes here the small overlap crashes among the most front-end collision. it's where your front corner hits another vehicle or a pole at 40 miles per hour. it raises questions about some models, in particular we're looking at those jeep and dodge models that were tested. four of the seven were jeep and dodge models. here's how the results turned out, good for the jeep wrangler the four-door version but marginal for dodge durango and

the jeep cherokee. a poor rating went to the dodge journey. they say vehicles meet or exceed all applicable federal motor vehicle standard. however, we continually evaluate the safety performance of our vehicles in real-world crash situations. how much is this going to slow down the momentum of jeep in i don't think it will have much incompetent impact at all. they're coming off a record sales year in terms of global sales topping 1 million vehicles. and the renegade which is the small crossover utility vehicle just rolled into showrooms over the last couple months it's off to a strong start. take a look at shares of fca usa. we're showing you since the ipo that happened last year. this is a stock in a company that's on a roll kelly. yes, these are not good test results in terms of the latest series of crash tests,

particularly for the dodge brand but at the end of the day, i'm not sure this is going to slow it down a lot. >> i think we'd like to quibble with that. jack neerad. let's begin with how much people follow the rollover crash test results. i'm thinking back to a decade or so ago when suvs were first hitting the market and popularized. it became clear they did have risk. at the time that seemed to turn a lot of people off. can that happen now? >> this isn't a rollover crash we're talking about. this is a crash test that's an offset crash test. it simulates a head-on crash. it's actually very high speed, too. it's not federally mandated. so there's a lot of factors going into this and some manufacturers, frankly, pay more attention to this test than others do. because it's not federally mandated

mandated, some feel they don't have to pay a lot of attention to it. >> i have a question for jack phil, maybe you want to take this as well. do consumer price safety into the vehicle? my question is the chrysler brands here jeep and dodge, i'm going come out and say, i guess they're lower priced vehicles than the japanese midsize suvs. are people basically saying i don't care not as safe but it's cheaper. >> between this and verizon fios, i'm starting to wonder about you. >> any vehicle they would buy new from any manufacturer. i think that is factored in. certainly safety is considered by all kinds of suv buyers. in fact, they're particularly concerned about safety. it is only one factor they look at and we at kelley blue book find they look at quite a few other factors as well. >> certain brands have a safety

reputation. honda is a good example. if you go into most showrooms right now, the honda lineup is not exactly the freshest lineup out there. in fact many look at it and say, it's pretty stale. but they're bringing new product to market. having said that when you ask people what do you think of honda automobiles? you universally say people say, safe, they're safe vehicles. it does register to buyers to a certain degree. one other thing to keep in mind i think there's an element of recall in safety fatigue in this country right now. amongst buyers where they hear about a recall or they hear about crash tests and they go again, another story? and that doesn't excuse it but i do think there's an element of that. >> last word kenny. >> i think it's interesting you ask the question. when i go in to buy a car, the first thing -- unless you're going to buy one of those tiny ones be if you're going to buy a jeep or one of those cars i'm not thinking i wonder how this does in the safety rating compared to its peers. if i want that car i want that

car. if i want that brand, i buy that brand. do i make that -- do i say that to myself now when i go to buy a car? >> we want to hear from everybody on this. send us your thoughts. we'll leave it right there for the time being. appreciate it guys. we have breaking news on american express to get to with dominic chu. >> american express has authorized a new share buy back program for 150 million shares. they've also announced a 12% increase to their dividend. now, this 150 million share repurchase authorization replaces their old program that still had 45 million shares left on it. you could think of it as a net 105 million share repurchase authorization. that's new. current market price, that does translate into about -- we're running the calculation, $8.3 billion in terms of new authorization for a buy back. still, remember this maybe was telegraphed a couple months ago. at that time american express did say the fed approved their

capital return program plus an additional boost to their dividend authorization. again, we're getting news here. it was anticipated by some people out there but still, an additional $8.3 billion net being added to their buy back authorization at amex. back over to you. >> shares popping on that news dom, as well. pennsylvania or bust? coming up that's where starbucks is moving its bottled water operations after californians complained about bottled water complaints using local water supplies. if it's a problem, how are companies still allowed to operate there? we'll get those answers coming up. first, though, russia with its vodka, ireland with whiskey and germany with its beer all have reputations as countries with people that like to hoist a few. we'll tell you which country has the heaviest drinkers that story is the toast of the town on the hot list. stay with us.

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it took tim morehouse years to master the perfect lunge. but only one attempt to master depositing checks at chase atms. technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank. a downward spiral in china, drinking around the world and disruptors in business. those are the stories buzzing on the hot list. allen wastler has those stories for us. china is back in readers' attention today. we are a -- had a featured piece. things that research shows when you have a big dramatic spike up in gdp, 70% chance of a financial crisis following. so have a nice day with that one.

now, we also had another feature that got a lot of attention. which countries do the most drinking? it's based off an oecd survey. they were serious about it because they're worried about more drinking hurting productivity but everybody is interested in the list. estonia, austria, france. >> we want to know who number one is. >> estonia. >> you totally called it. you've obviously not spent a winter in the baltics. >> you have. >> not a full winter. if i was there, i'd be drinking too. our disruptor list tearing it up 50 hot moving companies, that's getting a lot of attention, too. >> thanks very much. >> it's interesting that he's talking about the china story considering what tim seymour just said. it runs in complete contrast to tim's view which i think is interesting. water, water everywhere. well, not in california. there are still drops to drink. companies are using california's

supply for their bottled water. that is under fire as a state experiencing one of worst droughts on record. how much h20 is the golden state supplying? jane wells will tell us after this quick break.

welcome back. >> just about five minutes ago, the shares up by about 5.5%. a descent amount of after hours on vertex. it did fault the news that the fda panel approved or recommended approval for one of the cystic fibrosis drugs. like she said. with the bit of news about the panel recommendation the stock was halted. it is now reopened for trading up by about 5.5%. for those waiting for zillo, it's to open at 5:00 p.m. for trading. back to you. >> thank you, questions about that one as well. moving on california has been dealing with a record breaking drought for several years now and that's working outrage against bottled water companies to . hi jane. >> maybe i could water my lawn

with this. i'm outside a plant owned by nestle. why are we still bottling water? it's not that simple and once again, we're learning what we don't know. what we do know is there's over a hundred facilities bottling water. they be get a lot of it from lake shasta. starbucks is now leaving california for its water. nestle is the biggest player in the state and they're along with the protesters who don't like bottling water at all. we do not know how much water in california is going into bottles but based on industrial water use estimates, it is only a fraction of 1%. so a near drop in the bucket but right now, every drop is getting scrutinized even if that drop is nowhere near the grid that brings water to consumers. people are wanting to protest outside the governor's

residence. the problem is what's the difference between water i get in a bottle at starbucks and water in an iced tea. it is concerned about the situation and this is happening, by the way. wall street journal reports nestle want to expand u.s. bottle operations. >> i guess if people wants to charge $10 a bottle keep the price on water, that's a positive thing instetd of just giving the stuff away. jane wells. >> water is cheap here. it is amazing. >> jane, thank you. i'm sorry we have to leave it there. jane wells out in california staying well hydrated for all of us. pat benatar sang love is a battlefield in 1983 but her and her husband are still going strong. they're here to talk about their upcoming tour celebrating 35 years to go

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. rock super stars pat benetar celebrating a milestone. 35 years in the industry topping the charts with hits like heart

breaker. the dual has seen it all. welcome, it's great to have you. >> thanks for having us. >> 35 years in the music business itself but 35 years together you guys walk in here holding hands. >> we're newlyweds actually. >> it's so inspiring. >> that's a rock and roll history record. >> it's a record. >> the entire history of rock and roll. i don't think there's been a couple together for 25 years. >> what's the secret? >> it wouldn't be a secret no more. >> what's the magic formula? >> there's not a formula. what we like to say i'm a fighter but not when it comes to a relationship. i like easy going. i don't get trapped in things. i put all my energy on stage and the studio. that's why i can do all my stuff. when we have a life like this i'm happy to be here. >> when we think about some of your iconic music videos that

helped define the whole music industry when it was forming, times have changed. 30 years later there's streaming websites available and people doing innovative kinds of things and maybe to the point of what you're doing going on tour. what do you think it is that's most relevant for artist today in terms of getting their creative genius across? >> same as always. you still have hone a crack and how you get it out there is the part that's changed but the principal is the same. >> i have a lot of your songs downloaded on my spotify. >> did you pay for them? >> i have a membership. >> how do you as an artist feel given that we've seen others like taylor swift protest that because they want to sell albums? >> everyone would like to see that change because it doesn't make sense. >> yeah we like the one for free and buy one.

one for free and buy one. then everybody's happy. >> it mostly hurts song writes. >> what's it like to tour now days? >> you're probably closer to my anyone right. i can't even imagine. you tour on a bus? you go on a bus? >> that's your little house on wheels. it's beautiful. we love the bus. >> it's comfortable. >> we tour in the bus. because we've been around so long it's so relaxing. sometimes we walk on stage and we're yawning before we hit the stage. okay, we got to hold back our energy. it's fantastic. >> there is enough sort of emphasis on the song writing and new material, do you stay current with all of it or do you dismiss a lot of it? >> he stays current. i'm too busy doing everything else. >> i like it. i like what's available for all the young people starting and for us as well. i don't mind giving music out for free for people.

it makes them more interested and gets them engaged. >> whose your favorite pop star these days? i love jack white. >> what about you? >> i'm still into theater. >> hey, we love that too. thank you so much for being here this afternoon. that does it for us on closing bell. they're going on tour and we're all going to have a drink. >> that's a good idea right. >> fast money starts now. live from the nasdaq markets overlooking new york city's times square i'm melissa. tonight topping 60 bucks a barrel. golden not buying. why goldman is getting this hot trade wrong. plus the real winner of today's multibillion dollar deal. it's not aol and not verizon. could be the guy smiling there. first on the day when the markets were flat one