at goldman. so put a lot of stock in that as well. it's friday, september 11th, 2015 and squawk box begins right now. >> live from new york where business never sleeps, this is squawk box. >> good morning and welcome to squawk box on cnbc. the big market story, as joe mentioned, it is oil. down almost another 2% after falling by about 4% yesterday. looks like wti is trading at 4507. among the headlines driving the action, saudi arabia no longer sees any need to hold the summit of top producing countries. the saudis believe they would pail to produce concrete action. so they figure if they can't get

anybody on board why bother having the meetings at this point? >> it's a great place. i don't think they want to pay for the hotel room at this point. >> our colleagues caught up with a member of the saudi royal family earlier today. we'll bring you that in a few minutes. first let's talk about the goldman call on crude. the firm is cutting it's forecasts. it's one month view is $38 barrel. that's a significant decline and that's a fairly short time measure. they're saying $38 within the next month. a decline of $7 off the 45 it's sitting at right now. the 12 month target is down to $45 barrel but goldman says the risk is that oil could fall as low as $20 barrel. they say that risk is rising. among the reasons, a big sur plus of oil with the scarcity of storage space. >> in fairness it's a differ

guy. >> that was the super spike. >> all right. equals, 300. no, wait a minute. all right. no, that's the wrong -- okay. 20: we think it's going to 20. >> it was a different guy. but wasn't it 2007 right before -- >> i don't know. it was like 250 or 300. >> it's going to be a super cycle. >> but oh, no, okay. let me -- just give me a second. no, not 300, 20. so make sure that you plan all of your investors based on this goldman call. they're sure this time. >> it's a pretty bold call to say $38. >> 300 was a bold call too. >> but remember we had raymond james on and he said when the bottom was. do you remember when he actually gave us -- he said to the day,

we tried to ask him what was in the model. wouldn't tell us what was going on. joe continues to do. >> that was around the bottom. >> let me check. >> for the short-term. >> joe continues checking goldman sack's math and we'll get you caught up this morning. another big economic report ahead of the fed meeting. the focus on inflation today. the august consumer price index coming up at 8:30 eastern time. also new data showing that investors pulling $16.2 billion from u.s. based stock funds from the weekending wednesday. this is nearly $4 billion in inflows during the prior week. meantime attracting their first inemployees in three weeks. washington news, treasury secretary jack lew says the u.s. will still be able to borrow until late october but in a letter to congress he's calling on leaders to raise the debt limit as soon as possible to avoid unnecessary risk.

i don't think we'll have another debt ceiling. >> i misspoke on oil. i said it was down yesterday. yesterday it was up 4% but that was after a 4% decline the day before. >> are you sure they knew that all of that stuff was definitely going down? are you sure they knew the securities were shorter. >> you know my deal on that. there was nothing wrong with them. >> did they really know okay did they say these are all going to go down because they're going to sour these mortgages? >> i think they put together a deck of cards and another group of people thought they were great cards and they decided they liked those cards.

>> anyone that thinks -- >> that anybody knows anything. >> that they knew for sure what was going to happen. in corporate news general electric is selling the transportation finance unit of ge capital to bmo. they have been working on shedding financial businesses and says the latest transaction brings the total for 2015 sales to 85 billion. shares of zs pharma getting a boost this morning. it initiated preliminary discussion with the bio tech company and the fiber optics company posting earnings and revenue below estimates and also offering weak guidance in announcing that the ceo re-signed. a small cap stock to tell you about this morning, it's getting hurt particularly bad, zumiez. it's a retailer. it will fall short of wall street expectation. a big 20% hair cut on that stock

today. the company blamed fashion mishits and back to school promotional pushes. >> if you have stuff not selling at full price -- >> that's probably harder than figuring out oil -- i can't imagine. plus it has to be different. i looked at this today. i have another -- by the same maker, same type that just happens to be two inches thicker and now have to wear this. >> what have you got on today? are you going to be anchor monster. >> it's a thinner tie. >> multitone. it's two colors. >> yes, yes, i do. i thought you dipped that in coffee or something this morning. that's cool. >> dark is a slimming effect. >> yeah he needs a slimming effect. what do i need.

>> that's what they to with women's dresses. >> look at him. if i sneeze you're going to go out on 6th avenue. >> we're still going to do our push up contest. it's not over. >> i hope you're training because you were not ready last time. you were not ready. >> give me time. >> i don't even need the time. >> what have you been doing? >> getting ready. >> you have? that's good to know. >> you two go get ready. >> you're involved in the next one. >> no, i'm not. >> you can use the girly knee push ups if you want. i'm going to get in trouble for saying that because i know a lot of women at my gym that could kill me as far as push ups go. >> i can't get to 20. it's hard. let's get a check on the markets this morning. take a look at what's happening with the futures today. yesterday we saw the futures all over the map. the same thing happened once you

got into the actual trading session. the dow trading on a 230 point range. that was about a gain of about .5%. you saw a similar gain for the s&p 500. this morning it looks like the futures so far look to be indicating an open down by 54 points. s&p futures are down by 7.5 and the nasdaq is 20 points off of fair value. markets show similar declines. the cac in france is down .7%. it's down by less than .2%. overnight in asia you saw that the nikkei closed down by .2% as well. hang seng was a little weaker and shanghai was flat. when it comes to the ten year 2.197%. the dollar is a little stronger against the euro but down against the yen.

11269 and dollar yen at 11256. >> let's talk more about oil. saudi arabia saying it sees no need for the summit saying it's best to leave the markets alone. hadley has an exclusive interview with the member of the saudi family. >> good morning. this has always been about maintaining market share. i got the chance to sit down with his royal highness, the former head of saudi intelligence and i asked him basically does that mean your governments policies have been working. take a listen. >> everybody wants to protect their share of the market. even nonopec companies. the u.s. now is producing a lot of oil and they haven't decreased their production of oil. so there is a consensus in the world community, particularly in

oil producing countries within and out opec that things are going to change with demand and excess oil availability. >> i also asked the prince at length about the situation in syria. we talked about russia. their military involvement in the country. that would be a huge mistake to continue. that's despite a growing relationship. back to you. >> let's get back to the markets. david joined us in a squawk box exclusive yesterday urging a cautious approach. >> i'm not probably as bullish as i could be because i have problems with earnings growth. i have problems with multiples. i have problems with all kind of problems so i can't really call myself a bull. however i will say this if you invest today in the stock market and people said that in five years even if you invest in 1800 and earnings grow a little bit.

they grow 5.5% a year or something like that you all make money and at the end of five years. >> did that work for you guys. is that in anchor training school? that's the toss? is that how you -- >> i haven't been to anchor school. i'm not sure what they're teaching over there. >> here with their thoughts on comments on the broader market. >> how much money do you need to consider someone as a client. >> i don't want anything special but normal what is it? >> about $40 million. >> what? $40 million. >> about $40 million. >> pretty good. >> you don go that high do you, david? >> at jeffreys? we probably go a little bit lower than that.

not too much. >> do either of you -- i'm not going to ask you if watch, i'm going to assume that everybody watches. but tepper yesterday his basic contention is that things probably rnlt quite as bullish or friendly to financial markets as they have for the past five or six years. do you agree with that? >> it makes sense. growth momentum slowing. u.s. forecasts have been okay but come in a little bit and that's translating to earnings numbers and downgrades and that's fed through this system. the surprise has been the surprising actions in august. >> one of the things that tepper kept noting is he thinks that multiples are based on growth prospects and not as much on interest rates. and they should stay low but he said if growth is slowing you put a lower multiple on there.

>> if you two back 50 years, think of the average ten year note yield at 6.5%. it's about a 16 multiple which is where the equity markets traded. if we're going to go to five as the new 6.5 or 4 as the new 6.5 for the long-term yield then you're talking about a 20 or 25 multiple and that's a reasonable story line for a very long horizon but it's still very long-term bullish. why do i want to mess around with this when the fed is transitions. >> i think it was more of what the fed is going to do. i don't think he was looking ahead over the next two years and he's more worried about china and russia and brazil and everything else. >> his bigger point was we have been conditioned to think every time there's a dip you buy.

he's saying the new reality might be that every time there's a rally you sell. >> that's a very short-term transitioning period from the fed going from uber accommoda accommodative to slightly restrictive. why do you want to mess around with the one period where they're changing tact? it's a confusing time. it's the unwind of the greatest monetary policy experiment in history. they're turning it around. they don't know what they're doing. the ioer is confusing and there's targeting of the short rate. >> the currency reverse could be drying up. >> absolutely. but they're still coming out of europe and japan. follow the reserve growth. >> out flows from mutual fund. is that what happens at a market top. >> there's a lot of things going on. >> people don't sell at market tops.

>> usually they're crazy highs. >> by default they do. >> but you have other things going on. >> nobody goes there anymore. >> you can't read a lot into the numbers. it's a september or october period. >> people pointed out it hasn't been the most lovable market. >> it hasn't at all. there's been more money into bonds and clients looking at this as an tun to rebalance portfolios. >> has any millennial ever bought a stock? they're looking at facebook or something. >> the 401 k is another thing. >> they have. >> i have decided i'm not worried. they're not watching so i can't make any of them mad. >> can't offend them. >> anybody millennials that are watching, tweet us. >> to try to bring them in is

futile. >> $20 oil will help. >> yeah, $20 oil will help. so both of you are saying keep a toe out of the door. >> be careful in the u.s. and follow the stimulus. it worked here and the j.k. and worked well in europe and japan. qe stimulus. >> i think it shopped great. >> i'm shocked that it's going to create a rocking of the foundation of the roach motel we created. >> how many guest versus been on here telling you shouldn't take the qe away. you shoechbt take rates higher. you had a parade of imf, world banks, academics, fund managers but this economy cannot take 25 basis points i want to know about it. i want to know about it now. >> everybody is saying the ceo is the dollar getting stronger.

>> the story behind that, not just qe is to follow the margin. if you think about the last couple of years you've seen a lot of trends develop. you've seen the extension of the lead into high profit margins be sustained not just in the u.s. you're starting to see that pick up in parts of europe and not quite there in japan but part of the story which is the monetary accommodation, free money but it's been followed by nu fundamentals. if your horizon slong enough that's going to matter is that margin improvement over the next several years. >> can i get a berkshire class b investment with merrill? >> no, because you're not allowed to own individual stocks. >> i know but for them to handle me. >> blind trust. >> blind trust. >> blind trust. >> it's 40 million. i need like a millionth. >> we have smaller. >> berkshire a is what i'm

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experience the first couple of times. who needs it? at his age and he's sort of at a point where i think he is just going to ruin things if he were to challenge hilary and he's in a sweet spot right now. obviously not in terms of beau but in every other respect probably john it's a good time in life and he didn't sound like a guy that's ready to decide to do that. i think you're right. >> that's exactly how i see it. he's run twice for president before. you don't lose that desire to do it but given the tremendous run he's had as vice president. the personal tragedy he's gone through. his age, you can just see him. you can see him with a glow of good feeling from the country

that would be in real jeopardy if he got into devicive race with hillary clinton. he is late in the game. she has been working at this a long time. so i don't think the pieces are there for him to decide to run for president. he hasn't -- he didn't definitively rule it out. his advisors have been game planning for him but that's what i saw from that appearance last night. >> i've even seen and what he would be facing. i even saw someone bringing up anita hills. he was one of the headlines on the clarence thomas. they were going to go back to

try to imtpune him. i looked at it like if i were joe biden, to go back and bring up my college career, all of that stuff, who needs it, right? and during the work hearings and the hearings over anita hill and clarence thomas. those would be front and center. the things that took down his campaign for president in 19 88. the whole deal at syracuse with the allegations of plagiarism. stuff gets drudged up in campaigns and joe biden is not in a position to embrace that possibility.

whether it will eventually happen or not. >> let's switch gears to bernie sanders. daniel craig likes bernie sanders but the public editor thinks he's not getting a fair shake. do you agree with that? >> he's been getting a lot of publicity and doing well on the trail. run the best campaign of anybody so far if you look at what his assets are and what he was facing, he's been tremendously effective but i think that the argument was that they're not treating sanders as somebody that's a real potential president in the event that he was able to knockoff hillary clinton. it's for me difficult to imagine bernie sanders winning to democratic nomination or getting

elected president and i can't say i argue with that. >> iowa and new hampshire, that's what is weird about the process that we use here. it kind of gives you a head fake and it has in many previous elections where someone like a bernie sanders wins an iowa or new hampshire but the clinton people know that that firewall in the south is probably going to hole, right? >> yes, although if she sends up hughesing both iowa and new hampshire that's a rough situation for her. >> probably won't happen anymore. >> is he waiting to see what happens with her before he decides in. >> people don't get in all that late. you have filing deadlines. i don't think that anybody has the luxury of saying i'm going to jump in in march after we've

had a couple of primaries. i think that in that situation, if that happened, if hillary clinton took heavy blows in iowa and new hampshire, her staggering in a very bloody fight in the nomination to see if somebody, maybe martin o'malley who is somebody that more more than bernie sanders hasn't gotten much traction so far. if none of that is viable, maybe bernie sanders gets nominated. it's hard for me to see that. >> what do you make of cnn's decision to put carly and christie into the next debate. >> after of the performance that she had in the kids debate last time, certainly there's powerful

sentiment in including her and the cnn criteria was a little off. so they had reason to change their criteria. and it's people they want to have in the doe bait. so you want chris christie. he's a good performer on that stage. you want john kasich though he's doing well in new hampshire, nationally he's not doing nearly that well. so there's nobody obvious you want to knockoff that stage. rand paul has is in a logical place. >> we want the information but the way you just said it i was like yeah, for entertainment reasons -- >> but i looked at who they had and i'm look good i'm glad they have all of these --

>> also looking like king maker. >> it's a ratings thing. >> at what point does the crowd get thin? cnbc is going to do a debate in october. >> we'll find out when we have our debate in october, right? we haven't published our criteria yet and that's still in a state of some evolution but debates increasingly are going to filter out. those five people that are going to be in the secondary debate at cnn, those people are going to begin to see it clearly that they're not going anywhere. >> does that mean talking about the people not going somewhere -- does that mean that you think that we'll be talking about donald trump for another year? >> i doubt it but it's hard to say. we're in uncharted territory and

donald trump knocked the traditional bearings that we used to assess the situation all askew. so by any normal calculation you would look at somebody like donald trump and say no, he's not going to be there when it gets serious. >> i don't know why he would leave. i don't see why he would bow out tnch . >> 51% of republicans think he's going to be the nominee. >> that's the amazing thing. >> it might be amazing to you. >> nobody expected him to be part of the situation but becky if you ask what would make him -- >> i don't see it. >> what potentially could make him bow out is if he sees the prospect of losing primaries and doesn't want to lose. that would be it. >> i think we just need to watch him and -- i don't have any predictions anymore. i don't want to have any biases about what i think because i know how the main -- the

huffington post decided -- i mean, how foolish is that to say it's just entertainment. >> you are mainstream media, joe. >> no, i am not. >> don't you call me that. i'll sue you for definition of character. >> oh, boy. >> john, thank you. >> when we come back, we'll have a first look at hbo's bernie madolf movie. squawk box will be right back. ♪ every insurance policy has a number.

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>> i know. make them never win another super bowl is what i have to do. >> so now they have to test the balls every quarter. >> i asked him. who is going to inspect brady's balls? i don't know. >> got your phone out there. >> we have suggestions for what to talk about, in this day and age i'm just reading the suggestion. i'm not going to go into it. people have no concentration anymore. >> how do the noodles get through. >> that's one. >> save mine because i'm going to do it. >> macafee thinks he should be president.

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welcome back. the migrant crisis in europe set to shake up the political and economic landscape of the eu. our next guest is the thousands of people seeking refuge in europe is a bigger crisis for the euro zone than any currency concern or grexit. president obama is preparing to

take in 10,000 refugees over the next year. the former german minister of defense and is the founder and share man. do you think this really -- we sat around virtually every day for months on end if not month more worried about the grexit and currency issues and i think we should be dedicating every show to this if this is the issue. >> you do already and do you know why? because we are talking about a topic which divides europe and a topic where germany for instance is the powerful big player in the euro crisis is showing an admirable amount of compassion but that could tip over at a certain moment when germans start to realize that they're the only ones doing something. so if we come to the next step of the euro crisis which we will

face, the question will be will the germans react properly again. >> what does it mean? >> it means to show again also that kind of compassion for other european union members that are in trouble, that need help, that need a bailout maybe at a certain moment and it doesn't make it easier. so we don't have any unity right now in the european union or the solutions we have seen so far that have been put on the table like a quota and other things are a big illusion. >> the front page of the wall street journal has angela merkel taking a selfie picture with one of the refugees that have come in and i just wonder from hearing you and seeing this picture is germany unified. how much power do you have to say we're doing the right thing. >> it's unified but that's connected to the power of pictures and the coverage we're facing right now. we have all seen the picture of

that terrible picture of the dead, young boy and this is -- the question is how long will that prevail. angela merkel will do everything to keep that level high but we have to bear 800,000 migrants this year. i talked to government members last week. they say we'll expect another 800,000 next year and we will face moments when this may face a situation. i don't think we'll have a charlie hebdon in germany. >> do you think it's fair to talk about syrian refugees in the same way we're talking about the other companies in europe? do you think that's an apt comparison? we had people talk about it in that way.

>> we're talking about a dimension which is different to the one we had seen in greece. it's a bad situation without question but we need to connect both aspects in a very real political way to say at what moments will germans think differently? at what moment will british people think differently? at what moment will austrians think differently? at the moment it seems all to be good. we have a quota. will it function? probably not. we all know as soon as we have people within europe they can travel within europe. where will they go? >> real quick before we go, what is the answer? >> the answer is -- >> if you were running things? >> two things, one thing is look

for a european and we need to work together as well. it's definitely not enough. the germans and europeans and all of the other things. of course they pay a lot but we have an experience for many, many years. we need more than that. >> thank you. >> appreciate it very much. >> great to see you. >> coming up more on china's challenges. david tepper thinks that the country is making policy mistake after policy mistake and worries about the global marks getting caught in the triple effects. we'll talk to one currency strategist just back from a visit to china after this. but first remember it is september 11th today and here's a live picture from outside of the pentagon. this is a giant u.s. flag there. today marks the 14 years since the 9/11 terrorist attacks on america.

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hedge fund titan david tepper warning china's currency is one of the driving forces behind the global market volatility. >> so the currency is overvalued. you know, people will find a way out of the currency. they can shoot people and keep them from taking the money out. but what they can't do is keep them from paying back dollar debt and euro debt. so that money will leak out. but you can -- it will leak out regardless of what they do. but what they can do is they're trying to keep -- they can try to make it tougher to people to

take out money. but when you have an overvalued currency like you had an undervalued currency -- >> markets work. >> markets work. the rivers flow. if you try to keep the river from flowing and it keeps flowing, flowing, flowing, you better have a very good dam. >> kathy li just returned from a trip to china. tepp tepper's point is markets behave like markets and it gets through no matter what. so china may say we want to handle this in an orderly manner. what do you think? >> there's been a complete sense of anxiety and nervousness. there's concern whether the chinese government can effectively handle this. we're seeing a lot of outflow of capital. since there are so many policies that are fiscal, monetary, and throwing everything into the kitchen sink.

>> it seems they're making things up at this point. >> and i think, you know, to this day you're just seeing it lead to just 24 hours and 48 hours of stabilization and then we're back to it all over again. so i think everyone is very nervous. and that is going to impact the u.s. markets and the global markets for that matter. and so it's very important and i think, you know, like your points, they may not be able to stem the crisis. they're just going to be able to ease the pain. >> go ahead. >> just i do my twitter. fortune piece today, it's not the stock market in china to worry about. it's the real estate market as overbuilt by local governments that borrowed money to keep everything going locally and they've totally overbuilt real estate and that's the thing that's going to come home to roost eventually. >> you're right. we've heard about the ghost towns in china. and i think that's a pretty big issue. it's not just china. i've been to japan. this is not quite an issue in singapore, but still. the real estate market in those parts of the world are seeing

some big risks just from a policy perspective as well as from a demand perspective. and i think, you know, this is not going to improve any time soon. >> it's the real ticking time bomb in china's economy is what -- i don't know. >> i mean, that's what chanos has been saying for a long time. >> right. but it's -- local governments are -- they borrow from who? from the central government or from the central bank? >> from usually the central bank. but i think to bring this home in terms of what this means for next week and what this means for fed policy. there's a lot of debate whether or not this is going to impact the federal reserve's decision to keep rates or change them. unfortunately while u.s. data has been pretty decent does not live in a vacuum. and i think at this stage because there's so much rik and the world cannot -- or the u.s. cannot survive by its growth alone that i think there's a very good chance either they're going to pass on this rate hike

or they're going to basically do one and say they're not going to raise rates anymore. everyone is worried about a deep correction as a result of the rate hike. and while i do think we could sell off a little bit off of any tightening, i think with all the stimulus that's going to come into the markets at a possibly lower guidance that it's not going to be doomsday in the equity markets. >> thanks for coming in. >> always a pleasure. coming up, we'll be welcoming our guest host. bill ackman will join us sounding off on his latest giant. we'll talk to him about that and more. as we head to break, check out the futures right now. dow looking to open 82 points off. s&p off about 10 points. you're watching "squawk box," here on cnbc, first in biss worldwide. good. very good. you see something moving off the shelves and your first thought is to investigate the company.

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"kiss from a rose" by seal. here to help us celebrate our anniversary, this is the type of guest we can get. we bring in huge names. bill ackman of pershing square. are you going to hit that number? >> yes, may. >> wow. do you feel like you've -- to me you've accomplished quite a bit by 50 to my endless chagrin. but do you feel like you've accomplished a lot? >> there's more to do. lots more to do. >> all right. we have a lot to cover with bill, but first becky has your headlines. among some of the top stories at this hour, investors pulled $19 billion from equity funds in the last week seeking safety in government bond funds. nearly $16 billion of those outflows came from u.s. equity funds. japanese funds were the only equity category that actually saw gains. in the last four weeks global

equity funds have shed $46 billion. goldman sachs cutting its crude forecast. it's a steep decline of where we are right now. its 12 month target is now down to $45 a barrel. no expectations on their part that things will improve from here. goldman said the risk it could low as far as $20 a barrel is rising. they're citing a big surplus of oil with a scarcity of storage space. you won't see the drop in production. on our earnings calendar today, the largest supermarket chain kroger is to release. and on the economic data, we'll get the ppi numbers at 8:30 eastern time. forecasters expect to decrease of .1%. check out the u.s. equity futures at this hour. of course equity futures when you're looking at these things in the morning have not been a

clear indication of where you're going to wind up at the end of the day. right now dow down. our guest for the next hour is bill ackman. he has taken an activist stake in companies from target to valiant. his latest in mondelez. that's the most money ackman has invested in a single company. if you haven't been following the activist drama around mondelez. it spun you have from kraft foods. nels nelson peltz took a stake in that company. shortly after that warren buffett came on "squawk," said a deal between mondelez and kraft heinz unlikely. bill ackman is here. i want to talk to you about the markets and this fortune piece.

so many things to talk about. i want to talk about mondelez. this summer has been a tough summer for a lot of activist investors. and you look at mondelez and that's a company that has huge exposure internationally. before we get into the mondelez drama itself, just where do you think the markets are to the extent you think macro and globally? we had david tepper on yesterday and he seemed to be a little bit more bearish than i imagined. >> i would say probably i'm a little more bullish than mr. tepper. today i think stock market on call it next year estimates is something less than 15 times earnings. so the earnings yield and the stock markets, something approaching 7%. right? this is more than a 2% environment. that's the widest spread. and by the way the expectation over time should be the equity yields will increase as

companies report over time. report higher profitability. >> when you think about profitability, what about the emerging markets -- >> he was questioning the "e" in the pe. >> i said it earlier in the year that analysts had not properly reflected the impact of currency. i want to say at this point currency has been largely reflected in next year's estimates. so i think -- you know, i think it's actually -- if you look at the market overall and then i put aside energy. that's not really a field where we invest. i can't predict where oil prices are going to be a year from now. but if you pick energy -- >> but you've historically liked retail. there's always been a view if oil prices are low -- >> that's my point. put aside energy. i'm not an investor in energy stocks. but the rest of the market, i think stocks are pretty cheap. >> tepper thought overall global expectations had diminished in the last three months. >> that's the china question. anyone knows anything about

china, they'll tell you 7% is a fiction. 5% is probably a fiction. and real growth in china is probably something like 1% to 4%. >> in the end it spills over to emerging markets and then you look at big conglomerates like a mondelez who has this huge international exposure, do you sit there going that's priced right? >> emerging markets are growing quickly. if you look at china, it's a tiny part of the business today but is huge growth part of the business and continues to be despite, you know, events of the last couple of quarters. again, we are very much -- we are not market prognosticators. i wouldn't rely on my view here. but in terms of the business we own, if you own a company that sells chocolate and cookies and gum and the price point is -- >> brand names as well. >> it's a little more difficult to predict autosales. >> but long-term the world middle class continues to rise. that's going to happen. and american brand names like

mondelez, people are going to -- >> i think it's a high quality growth company for a long period of time. >> what can you get mondelez to do that nelson peltz couldn't? >> i think at this point -- i know you introduced me to say i had a lot to talk about mondelez. i'm here because it's your 20th anniversary. when it's my 50th, i'll call you and hopefully you'll come as well. but i think for us we start with business quality. right? i think this meets our standard for a simple, predictable, dominant company with a lot of growth ahead of it. so that's a great backdrop for any investment. then you have a business as you think about the candy business. this is an extremely high margin business. you look at the hersheys of the world. you're talking mid-20s type profit margins. this is a business last year or something in the 12.5% range in terms of profitability. expectations. going to 15% by next year. probably as much as a thousand

basis points as it should be. businesses with this kind of scale. companies are working very hard. nelson i'm sure is part of it in driving that opportunity. so long-term growth and a huge gap in terms of margins. and then the context you mentioned buffett's comments about heinz kraft. i think he's right. heinz kraft or that transaction, you know, they've got their hands full. they're going to have their hands full for a year. >> have you spoken to either buffett or 3g? >> i've spoken to 3g. this is the kind of business that you had to make a list of companies that buffett would like to own. mondelez is on the list. you make a list of companies where 3g is more than reducing costs. i want to talk about that. it's really the perfect company

and the fit with kraft heinz, mondelez. it's interesting. that said, they're not going to buy the company tomorrow. why? because they just did a massive transaction that will consume a lot of resources. 3g is a small firm. but i think a year from now, 18 months from now -- >> is that part of your thesis? that it gets taken out? >> one way to make money here is the company remains a stand alone business and gets to its potential and will do very well. >> one of e the things buffett said, one of the things he told us was that a lot of the other food companies in this arena he thinks are now trading at multiples reflecting as if 3g was in there operating these things. that it's not easy to do what they do and really appreciate your margins by that much. are you concerned that irene can do that on her own? and he says these stocks are already highly priced. >> the answer is i don't know whether the current team can get to the promised land.

but i think one of a couple things will happen. right? either the current team will get the business to its potential in a reasonably rapid fashion. or it will be a target. i think from buffett's perspective, if you're a buyer you don't want to be telling people -- you wouldn't be recommending stocks in your universe because that would make stocks higher. if i had the capability of doing a deal now if i were 3g i would do it now. the price is going to be higher a year from now. i think what's interesting about kraft and mondelez is it's easier than adding campbells to the mix. why? the companies were together. they have the same systems. probably the same compensation plan structures. you know, a lot of existing arrangements between the two companies in terms of kraft -- mondelez still has some international rights to kraft products. so it's an easier transaction.

>> could you see yourself trying to get on the board? >> you never know. >> you and nelson were delivering alpha together. did you talk about this? >> it was funny. i was pretty poker faced on that. >> let's switch topics. there was a fortune piece out this week. long, lengthy, worth reading. at the end of the article -- and this is about herbalife. is this guy says what is your end game? and he says specifically because the stock is currently under water, if the ftc were to decide not to go after it, what do you do? >> sure. this is not a bet on only what the ftc is going to do. since we've learned to the world about this company, the ftc and most significantly the doj is a very tough regulator.

recent comments about he's not just going to go for companies. the doj has been involved for over -- it's something if you believe the press reports, 15, 16 months. but things have gotten more intensive in the last three or four months. we know that because the company's acknowledged that they say, you know, senior executives of the company, top distributors of the company received information requests from the doj. those information requests come from the form of subpoenas. so i think that we have multiple regulators here that understand that there's a problem. the ftc just shut down a company called vema. it is a perfect analog to herbalive. one of the top distributors was a herbalife distributor. >> if you learned or thought the government wasn't ultimately going to shut down this company

meaning there was a seat change within these investigations before something was officially announced, would you sell the position? >> so remember we're short -- >> or buy the position. would you get out of the position? >> the answer is we -- the last way is basic deterioration. the company is deteriorating except for in china. china has been the growth engine in the last quarters. this characteristic of massive growth and fairly massive declines is something you see in pyramid schemes. not in something selling food. think of themselves in the food business. mondelez doesn't have massive growth in one quarter. there's lots of ways to win, but if we're wrong we fold up the tent and move on. i would say as i said from the very beginning on this one and i would say it's even higher today. the certainty factor here is the

highest it can be for investment. >> you've said that you don't plan to pursue public shorts again. that this was an interesting experience in that regard. >> yes. >> philosophically and the article sort of gets at this issue, the idea that a hedge fund manager with an investment thesis can actually play the role or try to play the role of regulator. >> uh-huh. >> try to take yourself out of it. >> sure. >> do you think this is a good thing, a bad thing, how should it work? >> so this is i think the most important thing about this article is he basically says short sellers who share their views publicly, something very wrong with that. it's effectively as you say a hedge fund becoming a product regulator. and i think that is absurd. right? look at lumber liquidators. goes public a year ago and says his company is shipping

formaldehyde laced products. ignored by the market. it took a "60 minutes" piece which whitney was the p protagonist in. the company is forced to withdraw this product. they're under investigation by regulators. i think the consumers have benefitted. the shareholders who sold when whitney went out with his piece have been big beneficiaries. look at david einhorn and lehman. he said they need to recapitalize. lehman ignored him. they continued to buy back stock. they said david was market manipulation. had the company recapitalized, lehman might have made it through the financial crisis. shareholders might have gotten somebody out of their investment. i think -- what's interesting in the article and again there are a lot of factual problems with the article which we can address. but the -- this is an inherently

healthy phenomenon. what's interesting about the article is the last sentence he talks about, is it right for hedge fund managers operating behind closed doors in private meetings. there's nothing closed door project about our investment in herbalife. with every piece of research we've done plus all the source documents. snts that an incredibly healthy thing for market transparency? so i think it's really disagree. reporters can write whatever they want to write. i respect that. for someone who spent an enormous amount of time to come to an absurd conclusion. so among the facts he reports in the story, he said herbalife is running 101 orphanages around the world. the only place for him to get

that fact was from herbalife. they give a blender or two to a childrens organization in a country and this product that distributors can't sell, they check a box and they donate the product to these places around the world and it's fed to small children. i don't know if small children in africa should be drinking this protein shake from herbalife. that's a doctor question. but the word they're running orphanages. as a reporter, i would focus on that. i would go see that one. i think it's more a tax fraud for distributors than it is helping. >> we're going to take a pause. we're going to continue this conversation. we appreciate you being here on our anniversary asking and answering questions. >> by the way, we'll also be

talking about some new executives with bill ackman including two top executives from canadian pacific railway. we'll be talking about that in just little bit. and ask them about working with ackman. the head winds from oil prices and the dropoff we've seen with what's happening there. first, though, let's get a look at the dow components leading the rally since the august low. "squawk box" will be right back.

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can see since those lows we are up 8% since then. the entire market has gone up. but the stocks have led the way for the dow higher. it's all about the technology sector. this is raising questions among traders and investors about whether or not it is time to dip your toes into large cap names. for instance, intel shares up by about 13%. so a big chip name there. also apple, a name that always gets talked about for value investors who are looking to perhaps wait for pullbacks and buy apple stocks. those shares up 8% to 9% since then. cisco. we don't talk about it often, but they make the backbone of the internet. up about 8% as well. then microsoft, 7% of the upside here. large cap technology, guys, really making its comeback here from those lows. the question is whether or not that remains the case. remember, a lot of these guys have dividend payments that become attractive for value investors despite the argument

there could be a market that remains overvalued. back over to you. >> all right, domino. domino was a -- i think she was in one of the james bond -- >> she was. she was in "thunder ball" i think. >> you know that. >> i do. >> why are you not @dominicchu? >> i don't think it was available. i'll hunt around for it. >> no, no. that's the wrong answer. you are the domino because you are the domino. you are the domino. >> i am the domino. the first one that knocks everything else over is what it comes down to. >> exactly. thank you, the domino. coming up, fast food workers in new york getting a pay raise and the governor says he plans to raise wages in other industries. details next. eeep breath in. .

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new york state has approved a measure to gradually raise the minimum wage of fast food workers to $15 an hour. it will be phased in over three years in the city. governor cuomo made the announcement yesterday with vice president joe biden. he said he would work to expand the minimum wage hike now to all industries. coming up, pershing square has a new ceo, new board member, and new corporate strategy. we've got some top executives joining us next to talk about working with mr. ackman. there's a lot more. back in a moment.

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anniversary this morning. you're listening to "cotten eyed joe" one of billboard's top songs back in 1995. among the stories front and center this hour, general electric selling the transportation financial to bmo. saying its total for sales up to $85 billion. also shares of zs pharma -- and the futures at this hour looking like we are in the red. dow looks it would open off about 55 points. uber's ceo making an appearance on the late night show with stephen colbert. here's what he said about driverless cars. >> google's doing the driverless thing. >> yeah. >> tesla's doing the driverless

thing. apple's doing the driverless thing. this is going to be the world. so the question for a tech company is do you want to be part of the future or do you want to resist the future? and we feel that in many ways we want to not be like the taxi industry before us. and so that's how we think about it. >> in fact, he got heckled during the taping. reporters who were in attendance say a protester in the balcony stood up and accused him of destroying the taxi industry jobs. colbert let the heckler speak for awhile. he later asked about taxi jobs. he said uber pays better than the taxi industry. >> my daughter is going to start driving around a parking lot this year. >> get her license just in time. >> it scares me, but are we going to -- i love my car. is it really going to be like that? >> you know what happens, though, you're in a driverless car you will be forced to obey the speed limit. i don't think you could handle that.

>> that's true too. but it would also free up all these same people to be on their stupid electronicings when they're in the car. i'm resisting the future. >> they're already doing that. >> i know. >> you've seen traffic accidents or fatalities are up. i'm sure that's the reason why. >> this is the intro. i don't like this intro, so i'm going to skip that. because bill, you're here for our 20 year anniversary. we go back a long way with our relationship. and i remember like it was yesterday this cp thing that you put forth. and it was 2011. it was $44. you were buying it. you said i got this guy hunter harrison. i said who the hell is that? >> i think i said he was a god. >> why do you know about railroads and why do you know about this? not that you pick your best things to bring in to show how you operate, but this could be in a harvard business school

course. okay. $44, you bring this guy in after you get some board seats. it went to what $220 from $44? >> it's $192 today. >> in a bear market because of oil prices. but hunter had a history in running rails efficiently. >> sure. >> i'm not saying it's not rocket science, but it's not apple. you knew how to do this. >> i think it's a lot more complicated than running apple. >> it is. >> what did you do when you came in that wasn't being done at canadian pacific? and bill, how did you know he was the guy who knew how to do this. >> well, i've talked about that before. the chemistry just worked. bill and i didn't spend a whole lot of time negotiating or talking about -- i mean, bill knows one side of the world and i know another. and that's railroading. i don't get involved in that side. bill stays out of the railroad

side. i told y'all a lot of things three years ago. nobody believed me. we had a horrible reputation and i think we proved people wrong. and that's nice. >> i introduced keith. keith is your coo and you're actually going to -- we know when you're going to be ceo too, right? >> that should work out fine. >> so you will take over, what? some time in 2017? >> 2017, that's the plan. >> less than two years now. >> so let's talk about some other things. you turn it around. stock got up to where it was. but canada is highly dependent on oil and gas. it's in recession, obviously. and that's a lot of what you move around, right? so that has hurt the operations and the stock's down 20% or so. right? >> yeah, it is. we're not traders or investors. we're railroaders. what we try to do is what we talked about then was provide the best service for the

customer at the lowest cost and let the markets work out what the markets work out. people a lot smarter than me are going to try to guess oil prices in asia and china and natural gas. we don't worry about it. if we continue to perform and do our job, all those other things will fall into place. >> consolidation is what everybody talks about. will it be 2017? you'll be spearheading that or do it before you go? >> i'm not going to speculate on that. obviously there's an opportunity there. it's up to csx to decide that. >> what's interesting about csx is they had an interesting announcement in the last couple days. the heir apparent of the company went kind of left. so it's not clear they have actually the leadership to rub the company. something to speak of to hunter. my colleague who found hunter, reached him at his horse farm

and spent a few hours on the phone with him and a few hours paul told me five minutes after the call i think we found someone that knows something about railroading. you know, this is a business. unfortunately there are -- you know, if you're running an industrial company, probably 50 ex. ge people who could run that business. railroading is a very specific business where long-term experience is helpful. and there aren't as many jack welchs. forget jack welch. there are very few people who can run a large railroad. it requires a lot of skills and experience. hunter starting squirting grease into the wheels. that's where he began his career at age 16, 17, something like that? >> yeah. >> so 50-plus years in the business. when did keith start working with hunter? >> two decades now.

>> he's had 20 years of training under hunter which is the best teacher in the business. but if you're running a railroad -- if you're on the board of a railroad and you don't have -- you know, there's a huge difference between the best and even a good railroader in terms of what can be achieved. this company is running at 40%-plus profit margins. pretax margins. that's a remarkable number. >> what was it? >> it was 19%. when we first invested in cp, stock was less than $8 billion market cap. the company spending around $800 million a year on capex. and the maintenance capex was something more than that. that's a safety issue and performance issue. >> you've got margins up while you were spending more on capex? >> yes. >> talk about activists cutting cap capex. so this company has $800 million to a billion and a half in capex

spending. the credit rating has gone to a triple b-plus. >> hunter, how did you do that? that sounds like a magic trick. >> well, that's the problem. people think it takes a magic trick. and i think it's more abc's and basics. we know how to railroad, okay? we know how to put ties in which are capital. you just got to get the right formula to bring all those forces together. that we talk about. and it works. it happens. i mean, look back -- if you look back three years ago, very few, if any, people i could find said this is going to be a success. people were saying, what? he's coming back to do what? and, you know what the proxy results were and what they went through. i was on the sidelines then.

and it just shows what an organization can do when they put their shoulder to it and focus on the basics and understand what the business is about which is providing service to customers. now, when i was here three years ago, people said you're a mean and ugly guy and you'll lose business if you take over. wrong. didn't work that way. if you provide the service, you don't have to go with a bunch of rhetoric. just provide the service to the customer and let them be the judge. you know, you don't have to do a lot of promotions in our business and so forth. and, you know, we showed i think a combination of some people that were there that had been overlooked, that were verial entsed. we brought in some new people from various sources that keith and i had. and it's a fit. it worked. it's worked very well. and it's been a lot of fun too.

>> let me ask a question because i think this is the sort of question every shareholder wants to know. hunter and keith have done an incredible job. hunter you're going to be retiring less than two years from now. and we've got your heir apparent. how can shareholders be confident that what's been achieved the company can continue to make progress and grow? what are the next five years showing when you didn't -- weren't on the last conference call and were having a medical procedure. stock dropped a bit. so what happens when you're -- >> i had a little setback. >> one last thing, if i remember, made some money because the stock went up. he has to hold that stock after he leaves the company for a year or more. how do you feel as a shareholder at that point in time? >> i think it's kind of ironic, the timing here. i had my little health setback. people were questioning the succession plan. now we don't have to talk about

what keith might do or can do. we saw what he did. so he effectively ran for two or three months in my absence. i was pulling for him. but i think that that restored more even confidence to the market place of saying look, we've had a number one. and we're going to go to retirement party, but we've got an exciting team behind him that is going to continue this march. and we just saw what he can do. we don't have to debate if he's got a record development. >> i'm pushing a question. keith, what have you learned and what's your plans? when you have full control of the wheel for the next, you know, ten years. what happens? what changes? what doesn't change? >> let me say this. rome wasn't built in a day,

right? we've been doing this for three years. it takes awhile to mine all these opportunities. there's still so much of our property we haven't touched. the culture change we're dealing with is an issue. it's an ongoing issue. revenue growth and opportunity with our customers, this company never had an ability to go to a customer and told me -- if you're a transportation decision maker, are you going to trust with the job on the line? the answer was always no. so we got the business through price. that's the answer. you give them service. you give them an ability to count on you to depend upon the service. they're willing to pay for it. you've got markets working at competitive forces but at the same time you can do that. when you're raising price growing the top and slinking the bottom line, that's where the leverage is at. >> there must be a lot of i.t. too. so i wasn't even thinking that. you promise an assembly line maker it's going to be there.

you can really screw up if it's not there. then they're delayed and their business is affected. so that's how you satisfy customers by getting it there safely and on time. seems like a lot can go wrong even though when it goes right, you don't notice. >> you're exactly correct. with a customer effectively they're trusting us to help them succeed. if we help them succeed in the market place, by nature we're going to succeed as well. >> did you have to upgrade -- is it computers that decide when to keep things on time. >> i mean, we're catching up. but the things we will be able to do keith will be able to do. for example, where we schedule cars so every car, not a train, has an individual schedule of when it's going to leave baton rouge, louisiana, and when it's going to arrive in toronto. >> real quick because you did call it an outdoor sport. there's afs danger of the

product not getting there on time but there are rail safety issues these days. you were warned i think by the canadian government about brakes yesterday, for example. >> i'd rather use a different term than "warned." >> okay but there was investigation into the braking system and how you were monitoring them. how big an issue -- houp do you need to invest on the safety side and how much of a role does government play in this? >> look. number one, we due respect, we don't need government in our business. we pay our own bills. just give us a lel level playing field. we're not in washington crying for help. rail is a critical junction in this history. and i'm serious. an important juncture is going to take place. people said they're not taking care of business. chicago is a mess. what are we doing?

now what are they saying? we got a common carrier obligation to haul stuff. the law says we've got to haul it. then people criticize us for obeying the law. so it's politically all across the board some day people that understand have got to sit down and make some longer term decisions about the infrastructure in north america and the part we play and where it's going to take. what's the future? you're not going to put this stuff on the highway. we've got to get our act together. >> my guess we're going to have rail a hundred years from now unless you're hovering around on a hover rail. anyway, all right. gentlemen, thank you. hope your health is good. and good to see you. >> thank you. >> you'll be here for a few moments. i don't want to say good-bye to you. coming u, we'll have more

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valeant were your biggest earnings. that happened even though it didn't quite work out the way you planned for the takeover. is this something you think you'll do again? something along these lines? >> sure. every day there are deals that don't happen. you look at transactions where shareholders are supportive. to pay a big premium where the shareholders get to continue and a board rejects it and they don't happen and the acquiring company, you know, walks away having spent $200 million when you consider all the financing commitments they need to get. what we did in allergan was allow shareholders to decide what to do with their business. and i think that there are inquirers of companies they'd like to buy. there are transactions that don't happen for social issues i think we can cattalize.

we may not get it, but, you know, if the outcome for shareholders is the business either improves on its own or it gets sold to someone else, i think that's a win. >> those are great returns. this summer has not been great for you nor has it been for much of the hedge fund industry. and last year you had huge returns. what does the end of the year look like for you and people in your business? if it turns out to be negative, what do you think it does to the business? >> sure. i think people call us a hedge fund and a whole category. we need to do a few things. from an industry perspective, we need to explain better what a hedge fund is. there are some funds designed not to lose money in almost any market. i think there are few that work but there are some successful in that model. in a down 7% month is like a disaster. really principally with the exception of herbalife we own stakes in companies we've owned for years. cp we owned for four years.

we'll probably own it for many more years. howard hughes effectively owned for seven years. i can't tell you where any of our stocks will be next month. i can't tell you even where at theened of the year. what i can tell you, mondelez will be a much more profitable company than today. and cp is going to be a much more valuable company. what's interesting with cp, stock price goes up and down based on oil and commodity prices. but what is the value of a business? it's the present value of cash that business generates over its life. price of oil in the short-term doesn't have a meaningful impact on that calculation. seems to have a big impact on the stock price. volatility is -- to buy more. in the case of cp, they're buying more. >> i feel like you're a split personality. on the one hand you're a long-term investor. on the other hand, a activist. where do you consider yourself? >> activists are long-term

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championship at the u.s. open? we will serve up that in the final hour of "squawk box" right now. live from the most powerful city in e the world, new york, this is "squawk box." >> welcome back to "squawk box," everyone. this is cnbc, first in business worldwide. i'm becky quick along with joe kernen and andrew ross sorkin. we are less than 90 minutes from the opening bell on wall street. we've been watching the futures this morning and they've been in the red all morning long. of course based on where we've seen things the last few weeks that doesn't necessarily mean anything at the close let alone at the open. let's look at what's happening with the dow futures today. down about 60 points. and nasdaq down by 17. also in europe, similar trading patterns. the dax is the biggest decliner of the major aerges. it's down by about .75% and so is the cac in france.

let's look at headlines at this hour. goldman sachs cutting its oil forecast to $45 a barrel and the bank says the risk of that oil could fall could go down to $20 and that is rising. among the reasons there's a surplus of oil. also we should tell you the august producer price index due in just about 30 minutes. the headline inflation falling by .1%. and we've got new data from u.s. based stock funds in the week ending wednesday. lipper reports this follows $14 billion in inflows during the prior week. meantime taxable bonds tracking their first inflows in three weeks. the nfl season officially kicking off last night. and with deflategate behind them at least for now, tom brady picks up where he left off last season. went 25 of 32 for 288 yards. he threw three touchdown passes. three of them it says here to

his favorite target, rob gronkowski. and the patriots beat the steelers 28-21. for awhile he had the same number of touchdowns as incomplete passes. but, i don't know. there must be something going on. they must be doing something here again. they're not just this good. the new york fans, do you watch the new york tabloids? >> yeah. they've had a hay day with it. >> bitter, party of two. daily news and new york post. we're going to talk tech. tech leading the markets higher this week with the s&p technology sector up almost 3% and the nasdaq bouncing back after its brief stint in correction territory. now actually positive. for the year. dex suzuki is here. he's been bullish on technology. and kevin landis is also here.

you want to call the bottom on what's happened here? >> on the markets? >> not the markets, but technology broadly speaking. >> yeah, i think technology is a great buy. not just for this next 6 to 12 mornts but next 6 to 12 years. it's got all the characteristics you want to look for in stocks today. they're trading at 20% discount to historically. they're the only sector in the s&p that has net cash on the balance sheet which i think is going to be important in the next five to ten years. the leveraging environment. it's also the only sector with growth. when people think about it, people don't realize it's becoming increasingly high quality defensive sector. if you look at these companies' growth, they grow through recessions which is what people associate with health care. but technology has become a defensive sector from a fundamental perspective. >> what do you say over there? you're a platinum portfolio guy. >> right. so it's all about growth. i think the trick with tech is to make sure you don't own what

looks like a high comfort name but it's done growing. so don't get stuck in oracle and cisco and intel and all that. go out and buy the names you're uncomfortable with because they're new to you but they're growing. >> so who are you uncomfortable with? >> it's been a long time since we've owned applied materials or intel or hp. any of the old names from, you know, 10, 20 years ago. and it means you kind of have to, believe it or not, do the uncomfortable thing. because the growth is still going to be there. because without growth, tech is just extra risk. >> i'm going to mention the one company we mention every day. apple. where do both of you come down right now? >> well, i'm a fan. but, you know, it's not exactly an undiscovered story. and it's not exactly something that's going to double for you in the next 6 to 12 months because it's such a huge market cap.

that's one where you can have your cake and eat it too. you can get a reasonable valuation on something. >> ever going to become a trillion-dollar company? >> if there's a company out there that could get there, it's apple. >> for now. if you had to name one now -- >> if you had to name one right now, you'd probably name apple. but nothing -- >> might have named somebody else five years ago and five before that. >> clearly it was ge but now you no longer work there, it's not -- >> but it would have been digital equipment or -- >> yeah, sure. >> or google. >> and this is a great point. you have to be prepared to change your mind. you can't get cemented in your beliefs that this is a great company. >> there's been a lot of cement in the belief of this company. >> yes. and you want everyone else to be stuck there. >> but it's not yet. >> not yet. >> where are you on that? >> yeah, i mean, i'm a high level guy so i don't focus on the stocks. in the near term with the

product cycles got too high. if you look at the attributes of the stock, i think there's a lot to like about it. it's got a great balance sheet, obviously. it's got a great product innovation. unfortunately i think that people are expecting it to take over the world which i think is a tough stretch. i'm not an apple guy. i'm an android guy. i think competition is getting increasingly tough. >> "the new york times" on page six cartoon is the apple meeting. and tim cook is up there, everybody's oohing out in the audience. he says we have a new charger cord and it's in blue. everyone is going ooh and awe. page six of the new york post? maybe that makes them wrong. they're supposed to take over the living room and the apple car. that's a lot. >> so wait. >> you're going to make the math work. >> so your critique is they have a great brand, is that it? >> my critique is other people are trying to make a better

smartphone right now and you can't guarantee forever that that's going to be a market share story. it might be reserve market share story some day. >> i think we're in agreement here. people expect a lot of apple. people give apple lots of breaks. they assume the products are going to be terrific. >> okay. let me ask you about another company. twitter. >> yes. people don't have that feeling about twitter. >> not at all about twitter. >> right, right, right. so i've actually kind of talked myself into dipping a toe back in there. >> right. >> and -- >> because? >> because everybody has such disrespect for this company now. people just think that they're done. and it's the zuckerberg clown car comment. hanging around their neck like a dead fish. it's great. typically when everybody hates something, either you say they're dead never coming back or they're alive. >> what is the next place to take them? >> you know, my favorite current conspiracy theory is they fit

well inside of google. and there are reasons it's happening slow. >> takeover thesis. >> it's not a thesis. they haven't done with the fact that everyone loves to tweet and everyone has a twitter feed. so they've got a franchise nailed down. and you know what? it's kind of funny. it reminds me of youtube. once upon a time, there were dozens of media shares sites and youtube became the place where everybody put their video. google bought it. everyone said how will they make money, google said don't worry about it. we have enough money. ten years later this is the gorilla of streaming. >> you like roku. >> i do. >> which i'm fascinated by. now that apple tv has emerged and other set box business. >> their customers love their product.

they've got nowhere else to go. they're not going to discontinue their line of product. apple tv has been at it for awhile, but, you know, i think to joe's point apple's not invincible everywhere always. roku is a great company. if you want to do business with two companies. apple versus roku, who do you think is going to treat you better? that's a great advantage. >> before we go in terms of thinking of technology broadly speaking, companies that are more u.s.-focused versus international or especially exposure to china dwob you try to avoid those companies for now or say it's a long-term bet that in china they're going to have to buy the stuff anyway? >> right. i think that, you know, the main thing right now is it's gone too far. sentiment has gone too far. people are baking into thinker expectations em collapse or something along those lines. i think that's overdone. i'd gear on the side towards

high foreign exposure. interesting if you look at the volatility over the last couple weeks, the concern's focused around slowing groebl growth. but outperforming the market overthe last couple weeks. it signals a change in leadership and sends them too far one way. >> thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> watch roku. when we come back this morning with locations in state ace cross the country, nordstrom is a great barometer of the consumer. we'll talk trends and the holiday season coming up. and later, serena's quest for a grand slam hits a rain delay. we'll talk about the u.s. open and a whole lot more. "squawk box" will be right back. so you're a small business expert from at&t? yeah, give me a problem and i've got the solution. well, we have 30 years of customer records. our cloud can keep them safe and accessible anywhere. my drivers don't have time to fill out forms. tablets. keep it all digital. we're looking to double our deliveries. our fleet apps will find the fastest route. oh, and your boysenberry

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welcome back to "squawk box" this morning. the futures right now are in the red. going to open up a little bit lower. dow looks to open off 55 points. s&p down 7 points. chevron has been upgraded to overweight from neutral at jpmorgan. a pessimism over a possible dividend cut and risks are priced into that stock. nordstrom is making strides in the off-price retail space and still betting big on north

america bringing flagship stores to vancouver and new york city and exploring new ways to connect with customers. joining us now on set is mike koeppel, he is the ceo of nordstrom. we're glad to have you in studio. >> thank you. good to be back. >> we have been going back and forth with retail. a lot of what we're trying to figure out is how the american consumer is feeling. the fed's making a big decision next week. they're looking to this too. how do you think americans are faring right now? >> generally speaking, we're focusedr ov on ouall strategy and how our business is going. we've seen consistent trends through the first half of the year. we reported high single digit total sales growth. we see our customer responding well to what we're doing and relatively healthy. >> i know part of that has been the strength you've seen in e-commerce. and nordstrom for a long time has played heavily in the online arena. what are you doing now that's different? what's the latest and greatest?

>> the most important latest and greatest is how do we keep the seamless for our customers? that it's not just coming to the store or shopping online. but it's engaging with our brand collectively. whether it's using the digital technology to improve the experience in the store, learning what's going on in the store, shopping by mobile over the internet. it's really about creating that integrated experience rather than the individual channels. >> is that largely a focus on mobile where more people can be anywhere shopping on their phones? >> yeah. well, mobile lately has been the big traction for us. we have over 90% of our customers that have a smartphone. and over a third of everything we do whether it's online or store is either informed or engaged by a moem o device. we just introduced a new texting app where salespeople can connect with customers and send a picture or text and that customer can acknowledge that

and buy it through the text. it's finding ways to use digital to engage in the stores as well. >> one of the questions around a lot of retailers has been being able to maintain margins. sales look strong, but do you have to offer discounts to get people in the door? how do you handle that? i don't think of nordstrom being a discount business. >> our regular price business continues to be strong. our value proposition has been much broader than just a sales event, a promotional activity. it's been about our service component which is something that's been built over the years with the brand. it's been about product that is latest and fashion oriented. our goal is always to keep the floors with the latest receipts and new products. we try very hard not to be promotional. we do have an off-price business with the rack that allows us to sell product. prior season product at a lower price. but as long as we can continue to create that differentiated experience with our customers, we hope we can continue to sell at regular plies.

>> just in terms of the margin overall, is that a question of people raising issues about this now they don't think you'll be able to? >> you know, i think the challenge today is we have -- we're in the phase of really learning what this new channel of distribution is going to look like and where it's going to end up. >> but you mean the rack. >> no. i'm meaning e-commerce. e-commer e-commerce, it took years to build the malls in the u.s. now we've got this whole new channel called e-commerce that we're still learning. there's a tremendous amount of technology o involved in the investment to make sure great experience and to share a secured experience. fulfillment. we're building new fulfillment centers to serve people quickly. we're still learning that and people are asking well what about margins. >> i always thought of nordstrom having a leg up.

nordstrom was a big winner early on. maybe that's because you had a good catalog or shipping process in place. where would you say you are right now in terms of that? >> well, i -- you know, i would say we've certainly come a long way. you're right. e-commerce is just another form of fulfillment of the catalog. you know, the challenge today is that every six months to a year there's a new piece of technology that's faster, better, which creates more development, more tools, and higher expectations of the customers. and so we're still going after that. we're still trying to engage with our customers in a way they expect from us. so i wouldn't say -- a lot of folks like to use innings. i'm a little bit cautious about using innings in saying that i believe we're still in some of the early phases of really understanding where we are with e-commerce. >> we've had other retailers come including terry lundgren of

macy's who talked about how the stronger dollar has been a huge headwind. macys is has flagship stores in new york city. how has that impacted you? >> it really hasn't been a story for us. primarily for what you mentioned. we don't have a presence in new york yet. we're working on that. there's a major project starting to go up right now. yourn, we're still planning to be there by fall of '18. but it really hasn't been a kbig impact. we have two stores in canada. we open vancouver a week from today. it's relative to the scale of the company that hasn't been the story. >> what do you worry about the most? >> what do we worry about the most? well, the customer continues to be always looking for the best opportunity to get the best value. you know, if things are changing so much in our world is how do we as an organization adapt to that change. you have a large organization that's built on executing. our business is all about execution. and we rely on a lot of people

to give our customers a great experience. as things change and introducing new mobile tools, introducing different ways of selling, continuing to bring the organization forward so we can deliver what's right for them. >> thank you for coming in today. >> how long have you been at nordstrom? >> 16 years. >> we're celebrating our 20th anniversary. do you remember what we used to do on "squawk box" with nordstrom? >> with the piano? >> he does. >> i do remember that. >> i remember from watching at home. >> do you -- how many stores have a piano player in the shoe department at this point? >> there's very few stores. >> why! this is the future of changing that i'm resisting. why, why, why? we've got all this internet stuff and catalogs on smartphones. no piano player at nordstrom. hey, look -- >> it's not about that. >> what's it about? >> you don't want to do it, that's fine. >> it's about what our customers want. >> they don't want this?

>> our customers want -- >> they want disco music? what do they want? >> what do they want? katy perry? >> r.e.m. >> anyway, thanks for playing. >> they don't have the pianos without the -- >> that would work. >> that's cool too. >> like auto. >> live piano players. >> like the ghost sitting there. >> when i was a kid i loved seeing those. nobody does those anymore. >> you loved ladies shoes, too, right? >> no. >> that was me. i'm sorry. that's what haines used to say. >> mike, thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> women in ladies shoes. >> great one. >> my wife is ladies shoes. the august producer price index will be released and then former tennis pro turned analyst brad gilbert will join us to talk the u.s. open and much for.

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welcome back, everybody. let's look at some of the stocks on the move in premarket trading. mattress firm earning 67 cents a share for the latest quarter. it missed estimates by 5 cents. revenue also below forecast with the company pointing to sales softness second half of the quarter. reported quarterly profit of 85 cents a share.

that was a penny better than the street was expecting. sales were also better than expected. the company increased the full year forecast. stock up by about 2%. and finisair missings estimates. also announcing that executive chairman jerry riles will assume the ceo post. he had previously been the ceo from 19 it to 2008. take a look. that stock down by almost 17% today. when we come back, we have breaking economic news. key inflation data. but first we are looking at a live picture outside the pentagon. today marks 14 years since the september 11th terrorist attacks. the ceremonies are scheduled across the country today as america remembers.

we are just seconds away from the producer price index for august. we have been watching what's been happening with futures this morning. again, what happens in the mornings lately is not necessarily what you see in the actual trading day. we have seen some pretty massive swings in recent weeks. you can take a look right now and see the dow futures are

under pressure by about 38 points this morning. s&p futures down by about 5. nasdaq is down by just over 11. of course this is the last week of information that you're going to be getting on the data front before the fed makes its decision next week. jim iuorio is at cme group. take it away. >> we are five days away from the fed meeting and we still have no idea what the fed is going to do. that's kind of troubling. we have the data coming out. we were expecting negative .1% for ppi. we get zero. food and energy we got plus .3%. higher on both accounts. final demand year over year is minus .8%. we were expecting minus .9%. as you said the stock market was under a little pressure coming in. this does nothing to help that. we're still under a bit of pressure. yesterday we had two sets of crummy numbers. i think that was part of the

reason the stocks got a bit of a bid. to me the stocks are definitely scared about what's going to happen next week. these numbers are a little higher than expected, so i guess there's no such thing as tier two data when the fed is looking at every clue. i guess this slants them a bit more towards tightening. back to you, joe. >> you think they're really not going to? >> think about it this way, becky. they'd want to be transparent and don't want to shock the market. the market is telling them right now they have no idea if they're going to tighten or not. for me it would be weird if they're going to surprise one-half of the market to be the surprise to what the market views as the negative side, the worse side. >> yeah. but they can either surprise next week or next week and see the market reaction. >> i agree completely. but they've done a poor job. to me is the theater of absurd where they wanted to be the most

transparent ever. and the market has no idea and they have no idea. if they want to parade speakers out there to tell me what they're going to do is fine. but at the end of the day, you look at the big picture. >> they nood to do it. >> i think they need to at some -- >> they need to do it so they are like real policy makers. any of the slightest whims of any market around the world is enough for them to chicken out. they chickened out before and felt bad about it. i think they want to finally show they've got some resolve to do the right thing. i think they think it's the right thing. they need to have the resolve to do it. >> i agree that's what they should do. at the end of the day i think they'll chicken out because they don't want to sit at the controls when everything falls. >> no. you've got to give them confidence that they're ready now to act in the right way and have faith in that. now if they disappoint us, they're going to be open to

criticism. >> you know what? oddly you know what i think is the best thing for the stock market? is if they did really tighten and then what they're going to do is bubble wrap that with a historic amount of dovish rhetoric to make people think everything is fine. i think they could pull that off. at the end of the day, if i have to slide my bet, i say they don't do it. >> i think they're watching us talk right now and trying to decide. i think we talked them into it. >> that's not scary to you? >> not the first time i had delusions of grandeur. thanks, jim. coming up, we talk serena's path to the final. but what -- it's interesting. she's so dominant, isn't she? i'm excited about both semifinal mens matches. both of them. both of them and they're going to be today. anyway, serena just two wins away from a calendar year grand slam which hasn't been done

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another final. it's our 20 year anniversary. joining us now, brad gilbert. you've definitely been watching for 20 years. >> i've been coming to this event every year -- >> no. "squawk box." >> oh, of course. 20 years, easy. >> because people don't know you're a former professional tennis player, coach of the greats. and just to explain, andre had dropped to -- he was married to brooke and you were his coach, he had dropped out of contention, basically, right? >> why we got to go there? >> because you guys together watched a lot of "squawk box." you and andre back in 1996, 1997. >> i started coaching him 1994. >> he was buying intel. >> of course he was. >> was he still wearing the wig then? >> geez, you guys. here's what i'll say. andre made the hair fashionable. >> doing an interview with a

british guy saying i'm going to come back. if i were -- as joe kernen would say if i was a stock, you should buy me. i got e-mail saying that andre said somebody named joe kernen. i thought it was somebody else. >> he goes, as joe kernen would say i'm putting a strong buy on myself. >> nice. >> i was like -- a year later he was number one. >> and we were in the box watching -- >> exactly. >> it's been that long for us. now, now we'll get to where you've been through then andy roddick. >> andy murray. >> i watched that match the other day. classic match. >> i was shocked that -- >> four sets, four hours and ten minutes. >> and then he got taken to the wood shed two days later by stan wawrin wawrinka. >> wawrinka, that's going to be today, right? that's going to be unbelievable to watch. >> great match. two great men's semifinals.

head to head, only three wins are on clay. >> how about cilic versus -- >> you've been watching. >> i have. >> have you been watching? >> i have not. >> are you just a fair weather fan? >> i'll watch finals. >> that's it? it's a 14-day tournament. big event. >> i was away a week ago with the kids. if i wasn't i would have tried to go. >> no one will beat serena. but i saw that match of halet. >> the way it's set up now, she's 32 years old. there's two italians. one 32-year-old and one

33-year-old. i'm thinking if serena had to play them back-to-back with no break, she'd take them both to the shed. sere serena's playing unbelievable. at the moment, i said at the start of the tournament they're all playing for second. and if she was going to lose it would be in the first week. hallup is a great story. she's a great fighter. she's one three head-to-head. i think she's going to beat her. we're going to have one versus two in both. >> what's going on in the business of tennis? meaning, i unfortunately have not been watching as i should, but is it better or worse in terms of people watching? sponsors like nike or somebody like that -- >> according to your former guy darren ravell now with espn said on tuesday night we got a 4.8

rating. ratings are up because this is the first year we've taken over the entire event. i think the tennis industry is doing great. roger federer for tennis, i mean, he destroys derek jeter fans. it's a home game for him wherever he goes. >> he's getting nine to ten hours of sleep right now and that's getting him through it. >> nine to ten? i'm lucky to get four. on the men's side we don't have a top five player. it's been awhile since that's happened. but the sport is very healthy. i think americans actually think that roger federer is american. it's like the way they root for him or nadal. the sport has become so big that when you become iconic stars, they become more american. for american fans we would love to see a guy in the top five. >> it's a federer?

>> i big fed. what i saw him do in cincinnati, he's playing unbelievable tennis. beyond this little sabr that he's been doing with the return, he's playing great. i mean, he hasn't aged. he's the youngest 34-year-old guy i've seen. he looks impeccable. he plays in -- i mean, whatever he wears. he's playing great. >> it doesn't look like he -- i play with my wife. and she puts it anywhere three feet away. i can't get to it. >> why? >> i don't know. i don't know. i don't start moving. >> i saw you talking about automatic cars this morning. i'm like you. i've got a '72 cadillac. gets five miles to the gallon. it's a thing of beauty. >> you don't want to go to the future? >> heck no. but the one thing is you get older in tennis, you know, you got to move. and movement is -- >> you don't even notice a movement and he's there. >> you know what? about fed, he doesn't even sweat. he plays on clay. he's the only guy on clay that

his socks don't get dirty. >> we have something we have to do every september 11th. that's why i have to cut you off. >> i can't even get my stock picks today? >> no, we can't. because it's the moment of silence. but thank you for being here. it was awesome. i've got a lot to do today. tennis. >> a lot to watch. >> thanks, brad. coming up, it's been a huge week for market moving news and news maker interviews here on "squawk box." we're going to bring you the highlights. plus send us your opinion. what was your favorite movement? tweet us using #keepsquawking. surprise!!!!!

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♪ >> hard to believe 14 years now. today america remembers the 9/11 terrorist attacks. dignitaries are answering phones on the trading floor today as they raise money and honor their colleagues lost in the attacks. remember, canor, sandler, ayon. it doesn't seem like 14 years. mary thompson is there and has more. >> good morning. as we all know, the 9/11 terrorist attacks killed over 2700 people here in the united states 14 years ago. no firm was harder hit than

canto fitzgerald. they lost a third of the work force at the time. instead of folding, the firm rebuilt, and part of that rebuilding was fulfilling a financial promise to the families of the employees that it lost on that day. now that financial promise has been kept. the company has turned us attention to honoring the former employee's memories with its annual charity day. it has raised over $110 million for charities, including the 50 participating today. a company gives up all the profits on the trades it executes today, and donates those to charities. it has become an annual event for the new york mayor, giuliani, and today he'll be joined by others, whoopi

goldberg, $0.50 and a number of sports greats. we'll be trying to interview them throughout the day. coming up at 9:15, we'll speak with a man who rebuilt cantor fitzgerald, and that will be coming up around 9:15 on "squawk on the street." >> it has been a busy week this week. from beginning to end, here's a quick rewind to some of the highlights. stocks are still the most attractive house in the financial asset neighborhood, but they're not cheap. i think the market is priced to give you return in growth and earnings. >> we're looking for the next three to five years. it takes that long to learn about a company if it's now, and

if it's outside of your core competency, you have to learn it all. >> down days i like because we buy them cheaper, and we don't try to really figure out what's going on in markets. never been any good at it. >> the chinese economy has been going down 2% a year. the model is broken. >> we're not talking systematic risk in ends of days. we're talking about the market has to come to certain new realities and adjust to the new realities. while they are, there will be volatility. >> i'm a disrupter. that's what i did as governor of florida. we cut taxes every year, and we didn't have an income tax to cut. we balanced state budgets. when i left there were $9

million of surplus. i whacked the budget all over the place. >> been an interesting week. and i think there are even more moments than the ones we were able to show. it gives you a good feel about what we've been talking about. looking back at 20 years but also trying to look ahead to the next 20 years. >> a lot of different views. think about bill ackman versus ch whi chinos. >> and they each have their own thoughts. you have to have people on the other side too. >> kiss the ground every day that we're here speculating, and it doesn't matter. we can speculate -- think if you were one of the guys who had it all on the line. you spend your weekends in a different way if you're someone like that and then any news

flash that you can see that could mean tens of millions of dollars for you and your clients. so we're lucky. we get to talk about it and watch it. >> the other day, he said the news that their golden boy left this week to go to united. that changes the game. they're watching everything all the time. >> that's true, and we have to reach out. i want to get him on. we should reach out to michael ward at csx. he's a friend of the show. the other thing, our pro momos. i haven't watched them run. i still get surprised. because i forget who was on. >> there's been a huge team of people putting that together for us. we want to thank them for that. it's obviously a huge crowd that takes to keep a show like this on the air for 20 years. >> and hopefully you're not sick of this, because we're going to

milk this. the party is not over yet. >> we might need to go further. >> yeah. we're ringing it every day. it's going to just -- yeah. >> okay. >> speaking of that. >> speaking of squawking. >> we have to doing? >> our squawk viewers have been reacting to our celebration as well. james tweets out david tenner makes good tv. i feel like i'm being schooled. great tv. and patrick sweets i like jim and his comments about china slowing. we've seen a lot of comments coming from you. we appreciate most of them. >> david tepper said he learned aless -- a lesson about china. he didn't take it as a loss. he said it was an educational loss meaning that having a toe

in that water helped him you said what was about to happen and helped him, perhaps, even save more money. >> and part of the conversation, i think he was talking at a kmes commercial break, but he said sometimes you have to lose money to make money and figure out how to do it. take a look. dow futures down 82 points below fair value. s&p futures off by 10.5. we got the ppi numbers that were hotter than expected. and obviously people are watching every single data point to figure out what it means in the fed's big black box. inflation. the claim -- >> you said pp. >> producer prices which indication prices are -- >> very childish. >> i didn't catch it that time. they're trying to figure out what to do with it, and this is

one more input that goes in. next week a two-day meeting. look at oil prices. they've been under pressure. this comes after what we've seen all week long, down about 2.7%. >> is it a four-day week? >> back on monday. >> i'll be here. >> see you monday. right now it's time for "squawk on the street." ♪ >> 14 years ago on this day, the 9/11 attacks, the day the nation remembers today and will never forget. good friday morning. i'm carl quintanilla with sara eisen and david faber. jim cramer is off today. in addition to the moment of silence here, in about 20 minutes we'll watch the market. a quiet end of the week in