>> i bought more valiant today and i bought zts. both ackman stocks. >> yes, they are. >> john? >> seventh straight day without a move in the s&p. we reason is seen that since november. i'm fine with it. >> thanks for watching here. "power lunch" picks up the story now. scott, gentlemen, thank you very much. it is now 1:00 p.m. on wreath, 6:00 p.m. in brussels where a massive police investigation is underway after a series of deadly attacks on the city's metro system and its main airport. this was the scene underneath brussels after the bombing on the metro earlier today. you see smoke in the tunnels. subway walk -- riders walking the tracks trying to get out. you can hear screaming in the background. and this is video taken at

brussels main airport an erie silence followed by sirens, frightened and confused people on the ground and calling out. and this video of chaos in the airport just fed into the newsroom a short time ago. you see people scrambling to get out. day brie is everywhere. michelle caruso-cabrera is on her way from havana, cuba, where she was earlier today now to brussels. sue herera is standing by now with the latest. hi, sue. >> here is the latest in the situation. you just showed the interiors of the airplane. we have a photo showing three men who are considered the major suspects in the bombing attack at the brussels airport. the photo, which we hope to show you in just a moment -- there it is. those are the three men. that phototaken by airport surveillance. we also have just learned that a third bomb has been neutralized at that airport. the islamic state claiming responsibility for the series of

attacks in brussels in morning. it described the events as a multipronged attack that started at the airport. separately, it reported that a single bomber detonated a suicide belt at the train station. the brussels airport will remain closed tomorrow. the white house releasing a photoshowing president obama and national security adviser susan rice talking on the phone with homeland security adviser lisa monaco getting an update on the attacks. at least 31 people were killed in the attack. nearly 200 others injured in the explosions at the airport and the train station. democratic presidential front-runner hillary clinton spoke to the "today" show by telephone on the attacks. >> we've got to stand in solidarity with our european allies as they have stood with us on so many occasions. and we have to intensify our efforts to fine and prevent

terrorists from ever doing this again. >> that is the latest on the attacks. we'll have updates on the half hour and the top of the hour on this still developing situation throughout the afternoon. back to you, ty, and the gang. >> i'll take it, sue herera thank you. let's bring in tara palmieri live from brussels. i know you were at the airport earlier today. you are now back at city's center. what can you tell us about the state of brussels, of its citizens, now hours after the attacks? >> well, the streets are definitely a lot quieter. people that work in the european institutions have been told not to go into work tomorrow. it's been said by the foreign minister that there will be three days of mourning. and the airports will be open tomorrow. so basically, the city is on high alert, level four, and the people are in lockdown mode again like we've been many times

in the past four months. >> since the attacks on paris and since the raids initially in belgium, tara, you were on a level three. have the people become sort of inyoured to this sort of attack? i mean, these are tragic events, of course, but life does seem to go on more quickly than one might expect. >> right. well, there was definitely a shock after there was a lockdown in the city in novel, early december. and then again on the night of new year's eve. but i think that most people seemed to let their guard down, get back to work, get back to life. we all felt a lot of relief when salah abdeslam was captured. we thought it was the beginning of a peaceful time in brussels. but days later there were attacks on our soil which hasn't happened in years, outside of

the jewish museum from downtown, across the street where i love. i'm surrounded by the situation. and our offices are up the street. want to take you back to when you were at the airplane. you had the chance to witness the scene first hands. you took photos. we'd lining to show those. can you walk us through what it was like to see the aftermath of the explosions? >> well, there were just lines of people wheeling their luggage coming out of the building, the ones that were in good enough shape to walk. a lot of them had experienced the explosion. one man i spoke to works as a check in attendant. and this is very close to the american airlines area, and he said that he heard a loud explosion, he ducked. he hid underneath the turnstyle for the luggage. his colleagues were screaming run, run, run. when he came out, his clothes were pat at that timered. another man i spoke to said he thought from the grill he works at in the airport he saw blood

anywhere. he called it an apocalypse. everyone was viscally shattered. i saw people crying fearful that the colleagues that work at the airport since they had not left with the large group of people evacuating. and then hours later funeral cars were there taking the deceased away. a grim scene. >> tara palmieri joining us live from brussels. again, we want to show you some of the chaos that was inside belgium's main airport right after this morning's terrorist attacks. you see the smoke inside, people on the ground looking for safety. we're talking about the impact with the former deputy director of the tsa. tom, obviously a lot of americans have their views about the tsa. the security is between when you get into the airport and when you get into the terminal. do you believe we will have some kind of push for security prior to even entering an airport? >> i think that's entirely

possible. i think that's something that the tsa has begun talking about. they have begun to ask congress for some funds to begin implementing what they call apex screening. and i actually think in your reporting you just saw at least some example of that, which is to say if you can come up with the photos of three of the potential wrong doers at the brussels airport, that means that you have pretty good surveillance of the ticket lobbies and the areas of the airport prior to the time that you enter security and go down the -- to where you would board the planes. so i think we are already beginning to see that. and i think the question -- a real critical question now becomes what is the security of the travel documents that we have with the europeans? and i'm talking about passports, validity of visas, and this sort of thing, and the capability to share information in an intelligence capacity about

forged documents, visa overstays, and these sorts of critical pieces of information. >> what's going to be the reaction in american airports for the next few days? what can our viewers and listeners expect? >> well we've already seen tsa slow the lines down. everybody who has travelled recently knows it's take longer to get through the security checkpoint. that's as a result of bad report cards about prohibited items getting through the checkpoints that were the result of investigations over this past summer. i think the lines will get a little bit slower. i think that those individuals that want to travel internationally better be prepared for additional inconvenience. they will take a much harder look for international travelers both outbown and inbound as to their carry ones. there will be more extensive interviewing of passengers, particularly inbound. the checks and validity of

visas, this sort of thing, will be checked and double-checked. so i would say it will be -- it will be inconvenient, particularly in the international travel venues. >> back to the first question brian asked about creating a kind of security perimeter not at the gates or at a checkpoint within the airport itself, but on the exterior of the airport. how -- play out how you would ever do that on the assumption that people are traveling with large pieces of luggage and who knows whether some of these explosive devices were in pieces of luggage as opposed to being strapped to individuals as a suicide bomb. how would you ever do it? >> yeah, i think you have to do a combination of both additional physical security and additional intelligence gathering and risk analytics. what i mean by that is, in terms of perceived high risk you might begin checking vehicles as they come on to airport property on a

random basis, opening trunks, using x-ray devices on tires and doors and that sort of thing, questioning some individuals. you might begin to do some additional physical security checks in parking garages as people are preparing to enter. you might do additional checks on camera surveillance by trained observers that are observing people as they enter. you might do things like that. but intelligence -- the most important thing is to make sure that our european partners are beefing up their travel documents. are they checking and issuing passports legitimately? are visas being issued legitimately? are they looking for sleesa overstays, people who ignore and overstay the time they are allotted. and finding these kinds of indicators of bad behavior that will help us reduce the rick of

the situation that occurred today. >> tom, you can do all those spot-checks outside of the existing checkpoints. but there are numerous airports including airports here in the united states that have trains that go right into the airport buildings. how much of a concern is this to you? and that seems like that would be a formidable task to incorporate those sorts of security measures to systems that extend far beyond the airport and go into the airport. >> that's a great point. unfortunately before 9:/10 sl 01 travel methods and modes were pre grated for convenience of people and we don't know that we needed to give such high priority to security. you make a great point about the transit and rail venue. those are wide open. very difficult to secure. and this points to where the people really needs to be the partner of the federal government in the u.s. or whether it's in in your opinion as well. see something, say something

becomes critically important in the rail venue. i think in the rail venue you will see additional inspectors, a heightened police presence in the u.s., people looking for suspicious and unusual behaviors. but it is very important that the public contribute to the increased vigilance as well. >> tom blank. tom thank you for your time. up next, more on the latest of the deadly terror attraction in brussels. what it means for the economy in europe and whether the entire future of free travel across countries in europe could be at risk. back after this. [ fans cheering ]

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gain political points for your cause? >> no. i've said very little, actually. very little. i retweeted what the journalist put out. my own message was i was very upset by what happened. and i undutiedly would know some of the people who were victims having spent many years working in the city and that i felt very depressed for the future. >> yes, i did read that tweet although other people in your party might be doing the work for you. mike hookum is quoted as saying that free moment and lacks border controls are a threat on our commune. do you think the attacks show there should be tighter control at the borders and perhaps that britain specifically for your case could be safer as an incountry as opposed to being a part of the european union? >> yes, i do. don't forget in november we had horrors in paris.

the kalashnikov rifles were used to kill 140. they had come from the trunk of a meter car from berlin. theyad gone through three or four national boundaries before being checked. free movement for the people, and it means free movement for guns as well. i think there is going to be to be within europe a national reassessment of national boundaries and national security. frankly, that's good common sense. i mean, look, we had -- we had 11 years ago in london we had our own terrorist attack. yeah we've got problems in our country already. but every single day there are thousands of people coming across the mediterranean, many of them needy, worthy people. but among them are the isis terrorists are using the migrant crisis to smuggle jihadists between europe. and logically, whether one likes it or not britain would be safer

exiting and controlling its borders. >> do you think these attacks could have been stopped or hampered if there was not free movement across borders? >> i think if one is honest about it the problem is more deep rooted. and many european countries have pursued mass immigration policies at the level that has been too great without sufficient integration. we've seen the ghettoization of our cities. it's in that environment that i'm afraid this horrible horrible form of jihadiism has taken root. there is a problem already that exists. it's the fate we've made. >> you are saying this makes it worse? >> if i'm not mistaken a fair number of the jihadis have been bellian citizens or french citizens, not people who necessarily would have been migrants from syria or libya or another part of the word, and had been long time residents of those areas. >> or born there.

>> or born there. >> i'm making that point that their parents would have come. you know, we pursued -- since 1950s, '60s. '70s. we have pursued liberal immigration policies. sadly the level of immigration hasn't come with integration. led to ghettoization. and in it we see young males who have not done well educationally or in the jobs market and who have been tempted by jihadism. i'm not saying we don't have a problem. we do. what i'm saying is we are adding to that problem every single day with what is coming into europe across the mediterranean. one of the members of nato has described what happened with the immigration crisis as a new cancer. and the boss of euro poll says there could be as many as 5,000 jihadi fighters who have come

into europe in the last 18 months posing as refugees. >> is it fair to penalize the 95% of those who are not involved in maldoings, to punish them for takts of the 5%? >> i'm not suggesting penalizing anybody. what i am saying is that if the european union continues to admit a couple of million people every single year through the mediterranean without the ability, the security check or background check on anybody, then i'm afraid we're building up even bigger problems for the future and i'm quite certain that the u.s.a. would not allow such a thing. >> nigel we have got to leave it there, nigel farage, the u.k. independence party leader. >> we'll take a quick break. we'll be back in just a moment. (patrick 1) what's it like to be the boss of you?

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welcome back to "power lunch," everyone. imi'm sue herera with breaking news on the still developing story of those explosions in brussels. police in brussels have issued a wanted notice for a man suspected in tuesday's bomb attacks at the brussels airport. police are calling for information as they issued this photograph -- those are the three suspects. they are focusing in on the gentleman in the white coat and the black hat pushing a luggage trolley. apparently, he may have survived this particular attack. there is an isolated photo of him. and police want any information

about that suspect. keep in mind, they also found an undetonated explosive device possibly a suicide belt at the airport. and they then detonated that device. that could have, they are speculating could have belonged to that person there, that man who is a suspect in carrying out the bombing at the brussels airport. so that's a surveillance video that's isolated of the three suspects. they are focusing in and want information and have put out a warrant on the man dressed in the white coat and the black hat. ty, back to you. >> are we going to look at the pound versus the dollar? let's look at the pound/dollar as we put it in the context of the attacks in brussels today. we can call that up. and there you see the pound moving -- i guess that's up against the u.s. dollar. i can never kell with the gold

carats there. and then there is red numbers. so it's down i guess against the u.s. dollar. let's bring in bill george. bill, welcome, good to have you with us. i note that you lived in brussels for some years. what are your recollections of that city? and how really heart breaking is it for you to see what's going on there today? >> thank you, taylor. first of all, my condolences to all the belgian people, king philip and queen matilda, she was one of my students at the business school. it is a complete tragedy. it is a wonderful place to live, an open city that integrates well across and does have different types of people coming there. as i recall -- i was concerned in the early '80s when there was a war between the israelis and the palestinians that spread over into lebanon. we checked our security, did everything we could. six months after i left in mid

1983 there was a bombing at the honeywell headquarters across the street from the nato headquarters and down from the belgian irpt a. sometimes as mush much as you can do, you are vulnerable to these attacks. this could have been happened everywhere. >> you mentioned it is an open city. and there are those people, we heard from one from britain who feel that too many cities are too open in europe. why don't you this sne to me about that, and the broader question of the sustainability of the european union. i think you might be persuaded to use the lincoln quote that either we all hang together or surely we will hang separately. >> that's an excellent quote. i think the european union and unionty among the european nation is more important than ever. that includes britain. i think it would be a terrible thing for about ittan to exit the e.u. as the famous british cleric

wrote no man is an island, we are all part of the main. maybe we do need to tighten up security alone the borders of europe. europe is a very large place, eastern europe going into greece. i think we are going to have to tighten down and security forces are going to have to work to track the groups operating all over europe. >> bill, always good to see you. we are under come strints with time with all the breaking news. straight ahead, breaking comments from chicago federal president chafls evans. first the latest on today's -- [vet] two yearly physicals down.

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terror attacks in that estimate let's get back to sue herera with the latest yp date. >> ty, here is the latest on the attacks in brussels early this morning. we have a photoof three men who are considered the major suspects in the two bombing attacks at the brussels airport taken by airport surveillance. police have now issued a wanted notice for one of the men suspected of involvement in the attacks. a third bomb has been neutralized in the airport and the airport will remain closed

tomorrow. the islamic state claiming responsibility for the attacks in brussels this morning n. a statement it says there will be quote black days ahead in return for aggression against it. euro star has canceled all its trains running to and from brussels. and at london's international station there was a strong police presence with police dogs and officers patrolling both inside and outside the station. at least 31 people were killed and nearly 200 others injured in the explosions at the airport and at the train station in brussels. gop presidential candidate truz spoke to reporters on the terrorist attacks. >> today's attacks in brussels unscores that this is a war. this is not an isolated incident. this is not a lone wolf. this is a war with radical islamic terrorism. isis has declared jihad on europe and on the united states of america. >> in fact, guys, european officials echoing those comments

saying that the continent is at war today. that's the latest on the attack. updates of this fast-breaking situation on the top and the bottom of the hour and all the breaking news as it develops. >> thank you very much sue. european markets mixed today, following those deadly attacks on brussels. joining us is matthew beasley, head of global equities at henderson global. matthew, welcome. good to have you with us. why don't you address right off the top here your view of the european markets and their response today, and how the calculus changes as you consider europe now. mr. beasley? i guess we have the wrong guest cued up there. why don't we take a quick break. we'll come back, get sorted out, and move forward from there.

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all right. back to the story on terror in brussels today as we continue to follow the information that is coming out of that country as more than 30 people have died. we have the founding chairman and executive board member of the quill yam foundation in london joining us now. we are sorry for the snafu earlier with respect to the hook up from london. we have got a lot of moving parts obviously today. sir, good to have you with us. >> thank you. >> how do you feel europe is responding to the threat of internal islamic jihadi terrorism? >> i think, tyler, as attack after attack hits our continent people are wake up to a realization that a global jihadist insurgency has finally hit home on european soil.

and i think we are bracing for what will be the new normal. i think the security services are incredibly overwhelmed. they are working around the clock. but inevitably there will be more attacks this year. it's unfortunate and sad for me to say that. i don't think the security agencies have the resources the amount of power it will take to track and mon on the every single isis or al qaeda inspired attack on this continent. >> 9/11 was 15 years ago. it's been 12 years since the madrid train bombings. there is nothing new here. where has the west failed? >> yes, you are absolutely right, there is nothing new here. where we've gone wrong unfortunately is we tend to -- especially in democracys the pendulum tends to swing too far one way or the other. either we go too far militaristic, we know from the bush years that that involves

invading countries and setting up detention camps such as guantanamo bay. or the pendulum swings too much the other kay way as it did under the urn president, obama, that we tend to neglect the isis stronghold in iraq and syria. and from custom, they are able to plot those sorts of attacks on the continent. we have to recognize that we are facing a global jihadist insurgency and that we need to deal with it as an ideological challenge before we deal with it as a military challenge. that requires generational struggle working grassroots in the communities to challenge the ideology and challenge it and debunk it. >> there were al qaeda leaders years ago writing books calling for war against europe and war against the west. what leadership glups groups do we need to fear most right now? is it isis? is it al qaeda? are even able to identify who those groups really are?

>> you see, that's a very good yes. i would say the problem isn't necessarily the groups themselves but it's what inspires those groups. that is a combination of a islamis narrative or propaganda, the ideology, the grievance narrative they pick up and all of these fused together. the identity politics, and the identity crisis many people are facing across the west and in the middle east these days. all of those factors fused together to cause this ideological insurgency. whichever group is spearheading it at the moment. yesterday, al qaeda. today isis. tomorrow it could be ice iis in libya once we deal with isis in syria. >> sir, would the islamic terrorists, the jihadis, like it if this struggle were portrayed

as a struggle between islam and christianity? does that play right into their hands? >> they would love for the struggle to be portrayed in that way. look, the truth is there is a hashtag trending on twit stop islam. it is an empty and vague slogan because it leads to no practical solutions. i'm if first to say there is a problem with islam today. it needs to be reformed as it stands and that islamism needs to be refuted. but to put out empty hash tash tags offer no practical way forward. 1.5 billion muslims in the world aren't going to suddenly change overnight. and to portray this as a struggle between islam and christianity suits isis. pick a said. al qaeda will say ours is the side that will protect you against the so-called crusaders. >> sir, thank you very much.

okay. the terror attacks in brussels calling attention once again to the difficulty in protecting so-called soft targets, generally areas open to entry without security. joining us by phone, a former supreme allied commander and nato author the accidental admiral now a dean at tufts university. admiral, in traditional war there are traditional goals, i want your land and a possible end. somebody could lay down their sword and surrender. how do we fight and win a war on terror that seems to have no single entity or enemy? >> i think first you real it's not going to be settled at the peace treaty table and we are not going to exchange signatures to make sure that the conflict is over. this is a generational struggle. secondly, you need to approach it international. this is the ultimate team sport. you have got work together with

other nations effectively using institutions like nato, which i used to lead. thirdly, you need better interagency cooperation so you can get after the sidebarer and surveillance piece of this. and lastly, i'd say we need a better program of private/public cooperation because everything from our tactical security to our strategic approach is going to require the public sector to be as involved as the government. >> can we do this without the support and possibly even military help of other muslim nations? >> we would be vastly more effective with other muslim nations alongside us. and they are with us up to a point at the moment. jordan, egypt, the uae. saudi arabia, turkey, all muslim nations are participating in the coalition against the islamic state. but they have got to raise their game, be more involved and frankly put boots on the ground to go after the real problem, which is the islamic state in

syria, in morocco. we can treat the symptoms of this, but we're going to have to go after the hornets nest. >> dean, you mentioned first and foremost that cooperation in your view is the most important thing in terms of combatting this sort of terrorism. does it make you less optimistic when you take a look around the world and you see sort of the isolationist leanings that we're seeing it appear, whether it be hear in the united states in the rhetoric of certain presidential candidates or over in europe where they are going to vote on whether or not -- british people are going to vote whether or not they remain in the e.u. that of course seems to be growing on the heels of these attacks. >> i am discouraged because i think there is this growing sense many of our nations with the world outside our shores is just too complicated and difficult and why don't we just build a wall? that's not going to work. in order to create real security in the 21st century you have got to build bridges, not walls. and i was particularly

discouraged and i'll state the name of a candidate -- when i saw mr. trump yesterday talk about withdrawing from nato. that's exactly the wrong signal at exactly the wrong time. >> what would you tell him right now as somebodyho used to head nato. >> i would tell him exactly as i just told you folks, that we need to be in a mode of cooperating, in intelligence n cyber, in pooling our assets, in working to the both in making our self safe in other our homelands but also going after the islamic state at the front end, using the hard power piece. that's going to be very important. and i think the long game, as the previous guest was talking about, the soft power piece, again, we need to work together to create that. >> you know, admiral, it was -- we talked earlier with a tsa representative or former tsa rep about maybe security before we get into arts. we have metal detectors before we go into stadiums now. what did ben franklin say?

if you give up a little security for liberty then you deserve neither. i'm paraphrasing. the question is, where is the limit in our liveness between protecting the population which we have an obligation to do and making sure that security doesn't creep into our lives so much that it basically hurts our enjoyment of life? am i making any sense? >> you are totally making sense. i think the challenge here is too many people look at it like an on and off switch as in either i'm going to have complete privacy and security and no one can look at my joerks phone or we are going to be totally transparent and have a high level of security but no privacy. it's not an on and off switch. we need to dial it in and need to be smart about it and in times like this, when we are facing very, very determined foes who are using endescription, surveillance avoidance and a host of other technical means, we're going to

need a little bit more to turn that dial to take a look at that. that's how you can get after them. >> admiral, one final question. in your list of muslim states that could be constructive here, you mentioned down on the the list saudi arabia. do you think they have been constructive or do you think they sort of play it both ways, allow the sort of growth of radical islam? >> it's unquestionably been a mixed picture. my sense is the light has come on in the kingdom, particularly under the new king and crown prince that the cancer of this kind of radicalized element within islam is going to come back and attack them. >> yes. >> they are part of having created frankenstein. now they are going to have to help us unplug him. couldn't agree with you more. i think they have to realize that the threat is to them as much as it is to others around the world.

admiral thank you very much. all right. let's go to sue herera now with some breaking news. >> yes, ty. it's a follow up what you brought you just a short while ago with some additions. the belgian prime minister is saying quote we face enemies that battles our fundamental values. the bellian federal prosecutor says he does believe the two attackers blew themselves up at the brussels airport. but that third person is being sought. they also are declaring three days of national mourning beginning wednesday. there is a look at the man in the white coat with the black hat. that's the man they have a warrant out for. they want any information. meantime, the belgian federal prosecutor says that raids are happening across the country right now. rids are happening across belgium. he says, in contrast to some u.s. comments, that it is too early to link bombings to the paris attacks. however, we should note that u.s. officials are telling nbc

news there are some links between this particular cell and the paris bombings. brian, back to you. >> sue, thank you very much. as you can tell, we are going to continue to bring you the latee on the situation in europe. we are expecting new video as well. "power lunch" will be back in two minutes. (patrick 1) what's it like to be the boss of you? (patrick 2) pretty great. (patrick 1) how about a 10% raise? (patrick 2) how about 20? (patrick 1) how about done? (patrick 2) that's the kind of control i like... ...and that's what they give me at national car rental. i can choose any car in the aisle i want- without having to ask anyone. who better to be the boss of you... (patrick 1)than me. i mean, you...us. (vo) go national. go like a pro. every auto insurance policy has a number. but not every insurance company understands the life behind it. ♪

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welcome back to "power lunch." on the heels the attacks in brussels. we want to keep you up to date on the markets. the markets are up slightly across the board. the nasdaq is up half a percent. interestingly, within the markets we are not seeing too much of a bid for safety right now. if you look for instance at the tlt, the etf that tracks bonds. only up .2%. the one area that's seeing a bid today, health care is up more than 1%. it is the second worst performing sector on the s&p 500 year to date. but it is the leader in today's session. on the currency market we are seeing the most action, pound versus the u.s. dollar. the british pound is down by

more than 1% today. this is basically an indicator of brexit fears. the lower the pound goes the higher the likelihood as is sooen seen in the market of a brettics of a departure of britain from the eu. that is how it's reading today as the rhetoric surrounding a british exit grows in the aftermath of these attacks. >> european markets are mixed following the deadly attack on brussels. joining us now is matthew bessly head of equities at henderson global. sir, good to have you with us. i'll ask the question that i posed a few moments ago. that is how do you process the react of the european markets today to these attacks? and what do you expect over the next days and weeks from them? >> well, sadly, european markets have gotten slightly used to these difficult days. i think when you think about global equity markets in general over the next year this is one

thing that's on the long list of things to worry about. you referenced a threat of a brexit, this is clearly high at the list of worries too for equity investors. and as i say adds to the long list of thing that investors are worrying about as the markets climb higher from their lows on february 11th. >> what if that happens? what if there is a brexit? what happens to european stocks? >> it's bad for european stocks and bad for european economies. obviously there will be qulikss in the u.k. and investors will mark down the pound as they have been doing in anticipation this vote in june. it's bad or other economies, too, given how linked in the u.k. is and how large the u.k. is. they are plenty of companies that have long and well established trade links with the u.k. the u.k. departure from the

european union is definitely bad for european equities. >> mr. beasley we are a little pressed on time. we thank you very much for your time today. we hope to rejoin you again soon. joining us now from brussels is alyssa ruben. she is the paris neurochief pour the new york times. she just finished listening to a news conference with belgian leaders. joins us now. what did the leadership of belgium have to say? >> well, they are not giving out much information at this point. i think there is a lot in play right now. the numbers of people who have been killed has mounted through the day as have the number of casual casualties. i think the last number we saw was 34 dead and 230 roughly wounded, to varying degrees. but these numbers are not solid yet. in addition, they asked for people to stay in their homes because they have a number of

searches underway. they are looking for suspects in various neighborhoods of the city. i think they are both possibly worried about further attacks, but they also are concerned that they will end up in a shoot out with suspects. >> go into that more alyssa. what if anything did they say specifically regarding the concept of other suspects in this cell? >> reporter: well, they haven't said very much. the one thing that's come -- all they have said is that they are searching and that there are several searches rights now underway. but what they have released publicly or acknowledged possiblecally is a photograph from cctv in the airport which shows three people thought to be involved in the attacks. there are two men who are wearing sort of similar dark clothes and then -- >> alyssa, i'm sorry toity cut you off.

but did they indicate that three bodies of the suspects had been found at the airport? where i'm going with that is if there are two and one is missing one would assume that one of these three gentlemen, if they are attackers, has indeed survived. >> exactly. that is the -- that is correct. there are two bodies, two people have committed suicide in the course of the attacks. and the third one, they are asking people -- he is being sought. and they are asking people for help in identifying him. >> was a third suicide vest found? that's one question. and then switching to to the attacks on the train, are those regarded as suicide bombings or bombs left in backpack or a suit case or something like that? or do you know? >> i don't think we know that yet. i mean, it certainly hasn't been said clearly by anyone. in fact, even the description of the two suicide bombers, one assumes from the context, that they were both at the airport.

but it's possible one of them could have been on the train. if you read the islamic state's press release, they describe the suicide bombers being on the train. and sometimes they are accurate. so i think it's very hard to know. it's very early right now. and the police, the officials, are very uncertain of what is unfolding in front of them. >> the leaders won't say this, alyssa, but in your reporting, or anyone you spoke to seem to indicate that the bombings came so close after the arrest of salah abdeslam because there was a fear among his group that he would give them up, that he would maybe crack under questioning and evolve their plans basically. has that been talked about by anybody? >> yes. yes. security experts certainly have suggested that -- it -- probably that was in the planning for a

long time. it was well prepared. but possibly was going to be launched later. later in the week. next week. perhaps even next two or three weeks. but with his capture alive, there were fears that something about that attack could be revealed, and they sped up -- >> alyssa ruben, we appreciate your time today. thank you for joining us. stay safe 678 thank you. take a short break here on cnbc and we're back with more. 'm goins opportunity to go off script. so if i wanna go to jersey and check out shotsy tuccerelli's portfolio, what's it to you? or i'm a scottish mason whose assets are made of stone like me heart. papa! you're no son of mine! or perhaps it's time to seize the day. don't just see opportunity, seize it! (applause) seize it!

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all right. we're going to show you new video coming in. this is a live look at orlando, florida. the reason that we are showing you orlando florida is that these are passengers on the first plane to land in the united states from brussels. it is tui fly. it is a german airline. so obviously german or belgian passengers coming to orlando, ostensibly on vacation. there are the passengers. the plane not at the terminal. police have surrounded the plane. the passengers being led in a

single file line from the airport onto a bus. we were told there was frisking and heavy security presence there. tui airline -- >> it is a dutch airline, we are learning. >> landing in orlando, florida. the first flight to land from brussels. the plane apparent took off just shortly before the terror attacks occurred. again, a live look at orlando, florida, from a german, slash, dutch airline. >> to sue herera. >> here is the latest on the terror attacks earlier today in brussels. we want to keep showing you this photo of three men who are considered the major suspects in the bombing attacks at the brussels airport. officials believe two of those attackers were indeed blown up. and police issued a warrant for one of the men suspected in the

attacks. the third bomb didn't go off. police are going house to house in raids searching for that suspect. the islamic state claiming responsibility for the attacks in brussels today n. a statement, it says, there will be black days ahead in return for aggression against it. u.s. officials say they believe that claim is authentic. britain showing its solidarity with belgium by lowering its flags to half staff over 10 downing street in london. as you know, 31 people at least were killed, nearly 200 others injured in the explosions at the brussels airplane and the train station. new york mayor bill deblasio said security will be tighten over the next days. >> we in new york city stand ready to fight against terror in every way. let me say at the outset there is no specific and credible threat against new york city at this time but we are in high state of readiness. >> that's the latest on the attack.

we'll have updates on the situation throughout the afternoon for you. back to you. >> let's go back to tara palmieri. she joins us live from brussels. tara, good to have you with us again. sue herera just reported there are ongoing raids in brussels, as one might expect, in search for at least one suspect who apparently was involved in these attacks today. what can you tell us about those raids, if anything? do you see any evidence from where you are in the neighborhoods you have been in today of heightened police activity or raids going on? >> i haven't been in any neighborhoods where there were raids but i was in the airport area earlier today. there was obviously heightened police activity. right now i'm in the eu quarter down the street from the maalbeek metro where there was an explosion earlier. and there is heightened police security. it's eriely quiet here. people are not working. some people i've seen walking

their dogs but on their way home. no one is working right now. >> compare the -- >> we're reporting that -- >> compare the scene on the streets today, tara, if you would, to a scene a few months ago when there was a manhunt in brussels for the then paris attackers and basically bruls was shut down for several days. is it just like that again now? >> technically we're on the same level, level four alert. i don't see army tanks. and i feel like the city is moving a little bit more than last time. but for the most part, it is very shut down. the metros are shut down. we've been advised to stay in our homes not to go to work. it's about the same experience as last time except there have actually been attacks in brussels this time. >> have you been hearing as our producers have been reporting to us that some of the victims in

the attacks were crying out where are the police? where are the soldiers? and there was a somewhat slow response time and sort of a flat footed response. have you heard that criticism? >> i haven't personally heard that criticism. i think it was definitely a shock in all of the neighborhoods where this happened. one of my friends was commuting on his way to work on the actual train that had the explosion on maalbeek. he was two cars behind it and it was just pure chaos. people were trying to exit walking through the dark, trying to get out of the metro station. but there are -- i mean there is a lot of police around. but it's not -- i haven't heard complaints that there aren't enough police around. >> tara, it's also -- >> we're just -- >> sorry about that. it's brian. glad you are safe, tara. thank you for joining us. it's also a little bit dysfunctional. you brought us some of the

stories about the belgian police. but explain to our viewers how different it is there. in america we have got the new york police department, and the chicago police department. brussels has different diverse and competing departments, do they not? >> yes, they do. the city is fragmented to quarters and police departments. there is not a great deal of communication between them. that makes it difficult in terms of coordinating information. on top of that, the counterterrorism resource that they have, they were only spend being $50 million euros on counterterrorism before this. so they are not really equipped for ready to handled this sort of situation, a national threat. we know that french counterterrorism has been involved a long with the u.k. and they are helping the situation, but a lot of us felt that we were hopefully in the clear coming towards a more peaceful time in brussels after

the capture of salah abdeslam but it seems that's not the case. >> would you describe them as dysfunctional? >> i would say so. my sources tell me there is a reluctance to share information with the belgian authorities because they fear it will be trickled down to a level of local police. so the reason is because there isn't great communication. and so they fear that the information they give them will leak out. and so other national authorities are often reluctant to share information with the bell janice. they are not ready for this kind of a threat. it is a small country. they did 120 raids after the november paris attacks in 120 days. they can't do raids after 5:00 p.m. they have different privacy laws than we have in the united states. they are limited in a lot of ways in terms of protecting their citizens. >> tara, thank you very much. tara palmieri of politico reporting for us on the ground. let's go to washington, d.c.

and amon jafrs with reaction from our nation's capitol. >> what an unusual day. today we're turning for washington reaction to havana cuba where the president of the united states is attending a baseball right now in cuba. we have a live look at the stadium. the president just entered there. the tampa raies are playing the cuban national team in an exhibition game. the president would like to make this about his national security initiative, his diplomatic initiative to cuba to reset ties between united states the cuba. here's what he said earlier today in marking this at the beginning of his keynote speech in cuba. take a listen. >> the thoughts and the prayers of the american people are with the people of belgium. and we stand in solidarity with them in condemning these outrageous attacks against innocent people.

we will do whatever is necessary to support our friend and ally, belgium, in bringing to justice those who are responsible. >> meanwhile u.s. law enforcement officials are being relatively mum today on any prospect of a threat here in the united states. we are seeing stepped up security at airports, train stations and the like throughout the united states. but no specification now guys of a specific threat here in the united states. the concern is of lone wolf attacks, people who are inspired by what they see going on in belgium and are inspired to make an attack of their own. that kind of thing is very difficult for law enforcement to track and prevent. >> amon jafrs in washington for us. the attacks in brussels sparking questions about what governments need to do to technologically disrupt terrorist communications networks.

let's bring in john mcafee. >> i would like to start off. >> i have got ask the question. that's my job. let me do it. in terms of what we think about how terrorists communicate with each other it's not the obvious, a gmail account, not twitter, not what's up. from what i understand there are underground apps that terrorists use exclusively that have very few members and they are not known to you and me. how difficult would it be for government officials, for law enforcement officials to actually get at those, you know, underground apps? >> well, if we had a solid cyber security presence in the world, both the u.s. and the u.s. allies, it would be trivial. let me explain something. harris corporation of melbourne florida creates a device called a sting ray. there are one 00 of them in use here in america spying on u.s. citizens. that device can intercept phone calls within a half a mile

radius. the device has a secondary purpose if you have the correct software. it can push down -- meaning you have a telephone and frequently at&t will say we are updating our system. it will do something very similar, only it puts special software on the phone that does two things. it traps all the key strokes so that when you are typing something in you get to read it. whether it'sin encrypted we don't care, because it's encrypted after you type it. the second thing it is, and all communications that are received, it has to be decrypted and placed on the screen so you can read it. so it has a screen capture. if we had the proper technology -- we have it, we are not putting it all together. we don't have a coherent strategy. we are looking for terrorists here in america. by the time that happens it is way too late. i know we have people on the ground in the middle eastern

countries. >> are you saying we have the existing technology, the sting ray -- >> yes. >> that could combat terrorism. it doesn't matter the apps, this device will track how it's typed. >> we don't care about the transmission. we are reading it as he is typing it and reading it as it's received and unencrypteded. all those devices are being used here in america against u.s. citizens. look it up, harris corporation sting ray. there are over 100,000 of them in use. why don't we send those overseas and find out what the terrorists are doing. >> we will certainly call the harris corporation about its sting ray device. john i want to switch gears and get one question in on apple. the hearing that was scheduled for today was canceled because the fbi now says it has another party who can help it decrypt the phone of the san bernardino suspects. is that you? >> no, it is.

but i know exactly who it is and what they are doing. and i promise you that tim cook and apple are not gob to be happy with the solution that the fbi has come up with. because it is almost as bad as a universal master key. >> what is it? >> the approach that i suggested was let's decap the chip, which you normally do on -- >> what is going to be used by this party who you are familiar with, that is worse than the solution that's being proposed. >> it's not worse than the master key. it's just it's much, much easier to break into a phone using this technique. it's pure software. i'm not fond of it. i promise you when tim cook finds out about it and apple find out about it they will not be happy either. the fbi is doing an end run here, okay, we can't get it from apple let's get it from somewhere else. because apple was going to write us a piece of software in four weeks. hey, if apple can do it, good

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hundreds of residents gathering on the streets of brussels following today's deadly attacks. you can see there some people making chalk memorials just miles away from the airplane, the site of one of today's deadly attacks. let's bre in fred kemp, a 25 year veteran the wall street europe. fred, great to have you with us. >> great to be with you. >> what are the challenge at this point in terms of the political currents? i it seems in europe there is a debate going on about how to control its borders and to what extent it should be controlling its borders. and then this happened. >> first of all, what we are seeing is the price for not touching sleeper cells, radicalizing immigrant communities. i was in belgium working at the wall street journal when we had threats to our people and our institution 13 years ago during the iraq war. and a u.s. intelligence official

tried to calm me down by telling me nothing was going to happen in belgium because the al qaeda sleeper cells were so calm because they are operating freely in the country. now it has to come together not only to combat these terrorist problems, but also to better integrate its minorities. we have done a far better job of integrating minority in the united states than they have in europe. >> it also will put zhangen to the test. that's what's going to be at the heart of the referendum in britain on june 23rd. we will have an immediate pulse of the people about how europeans feel about open borders? >> my nearly four decades of watching europe i've never been so worried. this is a day that we talk about the terrorist attack.

about you the real problem is to the european project more generally. it's threatened from the east by vladimir putin. it's threatened by the 1.2 million migrants coming from the south. the rise of left wing party, right wing parties. and as you said, you now have in june a vogt of the u.k., whether it will stay in or in and out. and that's bound to be affected by what we've seen today. and what the people in the united states forget is we have an enormous stake in europe's success. if there is a disintegrating europe at home, dysfunctional europe abroad it will be harder for us to to do anything on the world stage, to integrating china to stopping iran from getting nuclear weapons. >> europe has a longer history than the united states, 1915, 1939, 1949, 1989, is this an existential moment for the

european union experiment? >> i think it is. and it may be the most significant since the worth of the coal and steel community after world war ii. even more than that, it is a test for the world. inflection point we are in is as important as the end of world war i. as important as the end of world war ii. if we can work together with europe on the world stage we can actually shape the future in a positive way. if europe is absent, all bets are off. so this can be a galvanizing moment -- what happened in brussels today can be a galvanizing moment were europe draws together for not just this issue but many others or we could watch for decades to come the unraveling of europe and that could be very ugly. >> fred kemp with the atlanta council. an airport once again targeted in a terror attack. airline stocks taking a hit. what do today's attacks mean for travel to europe? that's coming up next. sales event is on.

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welcome back to "power lunch," everybody. i'm tie tie. we are of course following the stock market reaction to the brussels terror attacks.

the big on line travel sites like priceline, expedia, both lower today, as you see there, by roughly 2% or a little more. the airlines stocks also generally lower on the day. delta, united and american all down from two thirds of a percent to about one percent. for more on how travel to europe may be affected by these attacks, let's go to mary thompson, who is live for us at newark airport. >> reporter: so far it appears only of course the nights to brussels are being impacted by the attacks in brussels. of course zaventem airport will be closed through wednesday. it's expected to continue. here at liberty airport what we are seeing is increased security presence, something you are seeing at other airports across the country. americans getting used to these attacks and the response as far as added security. travelers we spoke with, little concerned about copycat attacks here in the u.s. or their own safety. >> what happened today won't

change my plans. >> i don't think about it. if it's going happen, it's going to.that. if it's your time, it's your time. that's how i look at it. >> in addition to added security at airports, amtrak is beefing up security on its trains and of course in public transportation systems in big cities like new york and chicago you will see added security as well. so far flight aware says 4:39 flights in and out of brussels have been canceled today. united and delta are rerouting passengers who planned to play fly to brussels. american says it is offering refund for clients planning to apply to brussels today. air b and b is telling travelers to heed what officials are telling them to do. lastly, we want to know that marriott, which has four properties in the city of

brussels says it is waiving cancellations fees for clients whose travel plans have changed because of the attack. >> mary thompson reporting from newark airport. isis claiming responsible for these attacks. our next guest says it was only a matter of time before they struck again. europe has a growing with terror.

take a look. this is a live picture of paris, france, where you see there the eiffel tower lit up in the colors of the belgian flag, red, yellow, and black in observance of the trammingic events that happened earlier today. >> deadly terror attacks rocking brussels as you surely know by now. bomb blasts in the city subway and airport killing scores of people. isis claiming responsibility for those attacks. i should say more than 30 killed, scores wounded. the video show the smoke-filled airport. you can see the incredible devastation that these bombs caused, people scrambling to get out. let's go to sue herera for the latest details. >> thank you very much, ty.

we have late developments here. a belgian prosecutor says police raids are happening right now around the country after two men are suspected of staging those suicide bombings at the brussels airport. but a third person fled. prosecutors say a new explosive device containing nails was found in a raid in brussels. an isis flag and chemicals were also found. as you mentioned at least 31 people were killed. nearly 200 injured in the two airport bombings and another in the subway system. the u.s. european command says it will not release the details the injuries or the number of family members involved due to privacy concerns. that injury brings the total to at least four americans who were hurt in the explosions, including three mormon missionaries from utah. the french president showing signing a condolence book at the belgian embassy in paris.

meantime a belgian ambassador to the u.s. spoke to reporters in washington wash. >> the strength of our determination to fight these kind of people who in a most treacherous way try to upset the way we live our life-style with the life-style of freedom, liberty, and democracy that we won't get there. we are even more of the mind today to fight. >> we will have updates throughout the rest of the afternoon. these raids are ongoing. as we just mentioned they found a new explosive device. stay with us for all the late-breaking details. brian, back to you. >> sue, thank you very much. as the events continue to unfold in brussels, your next guest thinks that europe's jihadist terror fight is a long way from being over. let's bring in collin clark. your take of the events of today? i made the point earlier it has been 15 years since 9/11. it's not like we don't know

people are planning these kinds of events. why have we been so unsuccessful in stopping them? >> look, these attacks are very hard toon stop and to prevent. these are long stretching networks that go from the heart of europe all the way to the battlefields in iraq and syria. and this is a very determined enemy. also, as we can see with the bombs that went off, they have very skilled bomb makers. so they've got technicians that have clearly taught other members of the organization in an example of tasic knowledge transfer. so teaching individuals exactly how to build bombs that work. and so both bombs, both in the subway station and at the airport went off showing a pretty high level and high degree of sophistication. >> what do they want? >> it depends. i mean right now this could be looked at if it's isis climbing the attack as an act of revenge on belgium for participating in the coalition strikes against the islamic state in syria. others want sir rhea law.

it's never that simple to say if we would just concede to this one demand everything would stop. there is a well-known organization called sha rhea for belgium in belgiums that active in brussels that's been recruiting individuals from that country and sending them to iraq and syria for the better part of a decade. >> where are the centers of islamic jihadi terrorism. we know about the molenbeek neighborhood in brussels. we suspect there may be some in paris. where are they? where are the on clavs? what are police doing to bust them up. >> according to a report the top countries with europe with the number of foreign fighters being sent to iraq and syria are france, the united kingdom, sp germany and belgium. there is also small pockets throughout many other countries in western europe including places like denmark, finland,

sweden. so we've seen this problem as very widespread. it's not as easy as simply relegating it to several hot spots and saying if we're able to mollify or pass phi these neighborhoods we'll be allity set. it's much more pervasive. >> do we know what the master bomb headache maker is? i assume he is still at large. >> najim, lacroix, a picture was sent out of this individual, probably the most wanted man in europe right now. this is troubling for obvious reasons. he is still on the run, still at large, we may not be done with this current wave of terror. >> who you expect to see more such attacks in other cities in europe, and maybe in the united states? >> it's certainly possible in europe. i'm not sure of the connection to the united states although you can never quite rule out the attempt by a home grown radical. >> why have we been luckier in that particular way? >> i'm not sure it is a matter

of luck. i think it is a matter of geography. first of all we are separated by two vast oceans. as a landmass europe is closer to the fight. second of all, i think it's much more difficult in coordinate across security services. so i'm talking not only here across german, french, british, et cetera, but even within belgium. we've seen a highly fragmented security service where law enforcement intel residence is speak several different languages. mott many arabic speakers. because we've been on such high alert since 9/11 we have been prepared and able to anticipate some of these threats before they have manifested themselves. >> what you are saying is the bad guys in europe have the upper hand? >> it seems like it, yeah. and they seem very determined. just the sheer number of foreign fighters that have left europe to go to the islamic state and fight with that group far

outweigh what we've got in the united states. frankly it's a lot easier for them to get back into europe proper. >> collin clark with the rand corporation. collin, a pleasure to get your views and insight today. terror and security will be a big issue in the next presidential election. we'll debate the political side of this issue coming up. your path to retirement... may not always be clear. but at t. rowe price, we can help guide your retirement savings. for over 75 years, investors have relied on our disciplined approach to find long term value. so wherever your retirement journey takes you, we can help you reach your goals. call a t. rowe price retirement specialist or your advisor ...to see how we can help make the most of your retirement savings. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state, the economy is growing,

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the attacks in brussels raising questions about which presidential candidate would be most effective in combatting terror both this the united states and abroad. ed rendell is a former governor of pennsylvania. and we'll soon be joined by kay bailey muchinson, former senator from texas. you are a supporter of hillary clinton. i want to pick up on a thread in a prior conversation with the gentleman from rand corporation. have we been -- our relative immunity to the kinds of attacks we've seen in paris today in brussels -- have we been lucky or good? a little bit of both? are we the beneficiary of our geography or of our ability to assimilate people from other

cultures? or a little of all? >> all of the above. we are of course protected by the two oceans. that's important. we have been lucky at times. but we've also been good. i think our intelligence agencies are doing a much better job than they didpry 9/11. i think you don't hear about all the potential attacks we've stymied. i think we've stymied a great number of them. i think it is a combination of all of those things. we've also been able to get information from our american islamic citizens. that's a point that secretary clinton has stressed over and over again. they are a great source of information about things that are going on, potential hazards, people who come here that may not be seeking to do us anything but harm. and that's important. and that's the reason why we should not demonize slaim islam as some of the republican candidates have. >> setting aside matters of

border security to our south. obviously in europe they are dealing right now with a major refugee crisis coming out of the various countries in the middle east. they have open -- relatively open borders there. are our borders, with respect to people coming from the middle east -- are our borders as porous as some would represent them as being? >> no, they are not at all. in fact, you can't point to any middle eastern refugee that wasn't an american citizen creating any actions of terror in the united states. and the vetting process takes almost two years for someone from the middle east to come into america and obtain entry into the country. so it is a good vetting process. it's not -- nothing can be 100% perfect but we've had very good luck with it. and it's interesting, there was a study i saw this morning on tv that american citizens are more likely to commit crimes in the

united states than people who are here on visas. >> senator hutchison has been able to join us. good to see you. some people in the gop -- i don't need to name names -- have called for a closing down of our borders with respect to allowing muslims to come into this country as a way to protect us and to enhance our safety. how do you feel about that? >> well, i think a blanket rule that no muslim would come into our country is absolutely the wrong thing to do or say. i think, though, that we should be very careful about the vetting process. and i am not comfortable, and neither are the people who are actually doing it comfortable. and they are saying -- they are not openly -- that we really can get the information about refugees from countries whose governments don't keep records

and don't even know who is in the country or who has left the country. so i don't think getting good information is as important as it should be in letting refugees in from countries where we know there are terrorist operations. >> i want to get back to govern rendell on that very point. but since you joined us late, let me ask you a sec question. and that is about the togetherness -- not a very artful word there -- of the european union. how important, senator hutchison do you think it is for the european union stick together especially in light of the vote in june? >> i think the eu must band together. also, nato should. right now, the united states

pays 25% of the costs of nato. and we are not an effective operation as we should be and can be. this is a war. article five has declared that there has been an attack on the united states, which should involve then all of our nato eight allies. and we should really try to strengthen nato now and make it operational. what you are seeing in in your opinion is that they are -- they have every country that is open to the eu to be able to go in and out. whi custom as an economic issue is fine. but we now have a security issue. and i think the europeans are going to need to do more training together. certainly, we would be a part of that as well to the extent that nato is involved. and i think we need to treat in the more as a war and not like isolated incidents of sort of

isolated people. >> governor, senator hutchison suggested she is concerned based on what she has been hearing from people involved in vetting individuals who are coming into the country from syria and other places there, she is concerned whether we know enough about them. you seem less concerned? >> no. no. it can always be strengthened. always be improved. again i go back to no act of terror in the united states or even attempted act of terror has been committed by someone who has come in through that system. that may be luck but i don't think so. >> what about san bernardino? >> san bernardino, those were american citizens. >> no. the woman who came in came in because she was engaged to her future husband. she came in. >> she has the right to come in because she was going to marry an american citizen. >> but, she was not an american citizen. >> right. but she came in under a

provision that anyone can get in under, you are going to marry an american citizens. >> does that need to change or be looked at more closely senator rendell. >> governor rendell. i never was in the senate nor did i want to be in in the senate. the answer is yes. we should look at everything and improve things where we can. but we've also got to remember that our best weapon against terror acts here is the american islamic community which has always cooperated with our intelligence agencies. talk to written in the intelligence agencies and they will say they are the most valuable provider of information. we don't want to do anything that alienates them or insults them, and we sure as heck don't want to insult the islamic religion, which is the largest religion in the world and which has many, many people who like the united states very much. >> senator hutchison i know you have not selected or at least publicly endorsed a candidate.

i asked you last week and you pointed to your role here as a contributor here on cnbc with respect that. i would like to ask you how you think the events of today affect the chances of the presidential candidates. which candidates does this benefit or hinder if we can be crude about it. >> i think there will be a comparison in the general election for the approach to our national security. but having said that, i think certainly some of our candidates on the republican side are very forceful and talking about national security. some are more nuanced than others. i don't think you can ban all muslims from coming into our country. i think that is something that i would hope that donald trump

would step back from and say that he is stepping back from it. but i think governor or kasich governor ruz cruz certainly have both been involved in foreign policy and understand the dangers here. >> some are more nuanced than others. governor rendell, if i called you senator rendell, i know better. >> it's not an insult, governor rendell. >> just a little one. >> he is a governor, he is a mayor, he is an eagles fan, a lot of things. folks, very much grateful for you. we're all over the breaking news story on the brussels attacks. we'll head back to the city live when "power lunch" returns in two minutes. ♪ ♪ for your retirement, you want to celebrate the little things,

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the belgian flag. an image of the same flag lighting up the fountain at this hour in rome. we'll be right back with a former u.s. ambassador to belgium.

your next guest says the attacks in brussels not surprising. let's bring us in the former u.s. ambassador to belgium,

currently a strategic adviser with dla piper. ambassador, thank you so much for joining us. you were ambassador from 2004 to 2007. obviously belgium spot as being a hot bed for terrorism in europe nothing new. what was happening during your time there? >> during my time there was a big muslim community that we tried to interface with and had muslim outreach programs but they lived in an area surrounded called molenbeek and they were organized, politically astute and left alone as long as they didn't break belgian laws. what happened, they got more and more muslims kept coming in looking for jobs and looking for relatives and it grew into what we saw today, the horror at the airport. >> what i'm getting at, sir, we

have known about the threat in and around brussels for more than a decade, have we not? why has not more been done to stop acts like today to prevent them? >> one of the problems with belgium, there's so much governments involved, the king the belgian government and federal government and german government and in brussels itself, when i was there, we had to deal with 15, 17 different regional governments. so what it said is the intelligence gathering apparatus for all of these entities obviously wasn't functioning over what we have seen today over the last decade. yes, there was a problem but in my day, we had fairly peaceful community there that didn't grow into what we saw at the airport. >> then, sir, do you believe that brussels has become this hot bed in part of the governmental dysfunction you

mentioned, people want to do ill know it's disorganized from a leadership or law enforcement perspective so they make that destination, seek that out? >> i'm not sure they are more disorganized than anyone else, including the u.s. government. what belgium is is the capital of europe. they proudly pro claim this nato and eu, more ambassadors in belgium than there are in the united states given the ambassadors to the king. so brussels became the center coalition area where everybody would meet. we have more -- we had crime problems and drug problems. we had all kinds of terrorism problems, alerts. i remember when president bush came over, the belgians wanted us to release two guantanamo prisoners and the president did d told the prime minister, look, if anything happens, it's

up to you and now we see what's happened, i don't say there was the two guantanamo guys but we saw what we saw today. >> mr. ambassador, when you were describing the various entities and municipalities in belgium. i thought you were talking about new jersey for goodness sakes. my notes say that you remarked this is not the time for on the job training for a president. what do you mean there and to whom are you referring? >> of course i'm referring to the campaign we have in the going on in the republican side -- >> which is your party, you've been to every convention since 1972. >> pretty much, yes, i've been to them. and we've gotten involved in a lot of them -- >> do you have anybody in mind when you say that? >> i have in mind governor kasich has got more training and more knowledge being on the armed services committees. i get a little nervous when you see a couple of our republican candidates saying things that they say and this thing here

today, shows you better get somebody in there who knows what he's talking about and knows what he's doing. >> you've been to every convention since 1972. are you going to this one? >> i might try and go. i tried to run for delegate got beat in the district. but i might go and try to help governor kasich a little bit. they wouldn't let me go when i was an ambassador so i have to amend that i've been to every one. >> former u.s. ambassador to belgium joining us from washington, d.c., now with dla piper. thank you very much for joining us. i do appreciate it. >> thank you. >> it has been a busy two hours on "power lunch", ladies and gentlemen, the markets generally holding relatively stable. ongoing developments, multiple raids across the ocean in brussels and one at least suspect apparently still at large. you see the industrials have turned negative but the nasdaq and s&p are positive.

>> and within the s&p 500 it's worth noting health care is up a percent. interesting moves within a relatively quiet day. >> all right, folks, thanks for watching "power lunch". >> "closing bell" will pick up our coverage and it begins right now. >> welcome to our continuing coverage. >> a muted market reaction to the events in europe today. we'll be taking you live to brus sels shortly but first let's go to our sue herrera for the latest developments. >> thank you. a belgian prosecutor says police raids are happening around the country after two men are suspected of staging a suicide bombing at the brussels airport, a third person involved fled. prosecutors say a new explosive device containing nails was found in a raid just a short time ago. an isis flag and chemicals were