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something. >> you are still in dunkin'? >> yes. i'm long dnkn. and when you long that name, can you make every day national donut day. >> do you like it over krispy kreme? >> yes. >> have a great weekend. have a good one. "power lunch" begins now. >> josh, your donut costume is waiting on the "power lunch" set. we'll see josh in a few minutes. welcome to "power lunch." brian, michelle, tyler is all out. have no fear. simon hobbs is with me. scott will join in an hour. we have three hours left in the trading week. these three charts tell the story of the session. financials, the worst performing sector right now on the back of the lousy jobs report. kbe having the worst day since january. take a check on gold rallying big time. it is higher by more than 2%. of course that, being impacted by the trade in the dollar index. and we're seeing a big leg lower
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today. down by 1.5%. we'll dig into that over the next two hours. we begin with the banks. dan warner is a banking analyst at morning star. great to have with you us. dan? i don't understand why one would be invested in banks right now unless you simply wanted to preserve or lose capital. give me the bull case. >> the bull case is that if you -- with the strong economy, with the low cost and positive that's we, have we're still seeing strong loan growth. i think -- i mean there are headwinds. but for longer term, i think you still want to be in banks. the fed will raise rates at some point. it always seems like the last few meetings when he some excuse or some reason at the last minute why they haven't raise the rates whether it's geopolitical or a jobs report. they will raise rates. i don't -- i don't think it's going to be quite maybe -- you may see one before the lection. i think that lection may have
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smim pact on the timing of the rate increases. i would look for it more december or thereafter. so i think, you know, given the relative valuations, especially on a citigroup which is trading at 70% of tangible book, i think you want to think about that name. >> problem i have, not a problem, but i mean, the bears will point out that if you take a look at a name like a citi, for instance, it's down. the dividend yield is 4.7%. the dividend yield is 3% mark. in the notes with the producer, you are saying take a look at the reits. does that mean you do not like financials? >> melissa, we like financials. i think you almost have to if you're going to be an investor that is broadly diversified. they september a little over 16% of the s&p 500. you have to have exposure. we happen to be long citigroup because it is so cheaply valued. but we have a neutral weight on financials and within financials, we have no asset
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managers. we have no investment banks. and importantly, reits for the benefit of a low and slow growth in rate environment which we think will be perpetuated by the numbers we got on the jobs report today which is indicative of a lack of hiring. it's not turning into layoffs just yet, fwhbut this lack of hiring doesn't mean we don't have the inner shah to warrant the foed raise interest rates. >> dan, i go back you to. you spoke about the better economy when you led off the show. my question is what better economy do you see? the ism's i see are disaster. at best the economy is struggling here. then i would also point out that two tens are at the lowest level since december of 2007. that doesn't sound like a great environment for banks to me. >> you still have positive gdp growth as opposed to our neighbors like canada which is seeing negative. you still see the consumer is spending. but they're trying to also maintain their better balance
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sheet. you know, the wage growth i was somewhat pleased by, you know, up .4%. i think there is still some room to go here before we see it. but a lot of points, you have a forehand on unemployment. and with wage growth, you wonder if we're at a peak here. >> all right. going to leave it there. >> thank you. over at morning star. just quickly, i want to -- you sound except caskeptical of the. we have a news alert. >> i'm here. i have an oil patch alefrmert. it's baker hughes and we have the second time this year in 2016 that we've actually not lost rigs. we added rigs for the second time this year. total rigs on the oil side of things, up nine to 325 rigs. total rigs are up four. the one we care about is the oil rig count with it plus nine at 325. we'll also note here that on the
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oil rig side of things, we're down 317 from the same time last year. so this time around it looks like we're adding again. this is the second straight week where we have not lost rigs on the count. back to you. so we're increasing the second time. >> increasing rig counts. they came in and spoke. that marked the bottom of the market. rig counts didn't go up for the first time in a long time. you wonder if that meeting yesterday with this rig count number, will that bode to be the top of the market? i say yes. i think yes. the obx is telling me something different. i would submit we saw the highs in oil earlier this week. i think we're going lower from here. >> look who joined us. >> i'm here. josh brown. >> jetson meeting the flintstones. what's your take here on oil? >> i think guy makes a good point. this was the big fear all along. we were going have this oil
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recovery. everyone was going to come back and try to sneak back on to the market. this is now week two. i think that is a risk for oil. but what will help oil, i think, is the fact that the dollar is now falling back off again. so you kind vf a little bit of a push and pull. it may be premature to say we'll see a three handle. but mid four shouldn't shock anyone. >> let's move on to gold here. rallying on that weaker than expected jobs number. eric, where do you see gold heading right now. it is all about the dollar? >> yeah, certainly we saw during the month of may in anticipation some of rate hikes, gold dropped down from $1300 to almost $1200. a lot of people getting short. that pushed the gold back up to $1245. >> it's not such a big squeeze. >> certainly we can see the market back up to 1300 again.
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>> i ask you a quick question. you say it's about the dollar. i don't think it's about the dollar. my sense is that gold move has been more a play against fiat currency. $10 trillion now of sovereign bonds have negative yields. i don't know what percentage that s but the number itself is ridiculously high. when japan went negative that, was a green light to buy gold. do people talk about that? >> surnt tcertainly that gives e value. so whenever we do see currency destruction, whether it's the australian dollar or the japanese yen, you certainly should have some part of your portfolio in gold. all right. eric, thanks. gold miners are doing really well. >> yes. that's what they exist for. you would certainly expect to see a much bigger move in the miners than the metal. however, still longer term in a down trend on both. frankly, i'm shocked that gold is not acting better given what
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guy is talking about, given the dollar falling off. i don't know how happy can you be with a bill len fit you got. >> you think you have every condition for a huge gold rally that is better than 2%. >> josh makes a great point. i thought gold could be up 35 to $50 on everything we saw today w that said, i'm convinced that you're going to walk in one day, gold will be up $50. everybody will say to fade it. next day, the same thing will happen. it's as strong as it's been in my lifetime. there is something different going on. gdx absolutely in a down trend. the miners is the place to be since december. i think you stay with them. >> simon, over to you. >> that's the number of cost created in may falling well short of the 162,000 estimate, less than a quarter. so what now? here are our all star jobs panel. it feels like a very big day,
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ron. is this something that is more fundamental? >> it is more fundamental. we have seen deceleration this morning. also in the downward revisions in the prior two months employment numbers. manufacturing he is infectively near or in recession in the united states and certainly around the world. the risk -- there is morris tokt down side in the economy than upside, i think. >> bill? >> sure. and along with the deceleration and the payroll numbers that ron mentioned, we've seen three months of decline and participation after it had been edging up. that suggests that people are leaving the labor force. >> where does that leave us on interest rates? you're still driving down the unemployment rate to 4.7%. that is very close to full employment for a lot of people. >> it's down to what we may call full employment territory. but the participation rates are
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still almost historic aloes. if you compare going back to previous recoveries or expansions, you know, similar unemployment rates, we have much higher participation rates. so to get to your question, bottom line on policy, june rate increase of 25 basis points. that's off the table. july, i think the odds go down a bit. too. there i start to get concerned that we're moving too close to the lection cycle. >> see, ron, there was a time when we thought that interest rates were coming off the table and other central bank wobz forced to do more to stimulate asset markets, that the stock market would rise. we haven't had that today. >> no, we haven't. that's because dlz there's beens lingering thought. i don't think they have the latitude given the weakness in the global economy. as you get closer to the election, if the fed were to trigger some sort of market down turn with a september rate hike, that does affect politics as
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much as it affects economics. i think the fed given 23 countries around the world had negative rates. they carried negative rates. it gets harder for the fed to pull away. >> if you follow that to the logical conclusion vein a november election, you may not raise rates until december again, a full year. will they get a rate rise this year? >> i'll fall back on what the governors have been saying. they're data gendependent. >> right. >> you know, they're data dependent. the data have not supported a rate hike. the core pce inflation rating is still below 2%. you know, wage inflation is not that big. it's 2.5% year over year. it's not the type of thing that triggered rate hikes in the past. >> we have to leave it. there i'm sorry. >> so bad news bad news once again? once upon a time, guys, a bad jobs number meant that the fed wasn't going to raise that meant free money forever and great
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money for the stock market. here we are today. that's what we v what is your interpretation? >> i think the street likes the status quo. i think the street was ready for 25 basis point rate hike. but they're also ready to not have a rate hike. just two weeks ago. i think it was 50/50 amongst traders. i don't know that today is like this is bad news so it's terrible. it's like all right, it's bad news so we'll talk about rate hikes for 30 days. that's okay. look at the reaction in stocks. pretty muted. i think that is more of the same is okay. >> pretty muted on the top line. >> yeah. >> but when you take a look, there is a real risk aversion. >> josh pointed out that we're talking tens of thousands of jobs in a workforce of 150 or so million people. but these are the numbers that they look at so we need to look at this. is the fed data dependent? if they are, unemployment went down 4.7%. that is a headline nup number.
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that's what they're watching. so given all the banter we heard frefr fed official over the last couple months, they need to do something. now if they don't do something, the credibility issue that they have that i feel they have is only going to get worse. to answer your question, is bad news bad news? i think the box that they painted themselves in gets smaller and smaller. >> one thing, the wage increases stuck. people are like this is horri e horrible. will is a silver lining. the wage increases stuck. this is the thing that the fed has had the hardest time getting to happen. it's not rip roaring. it's not anything in the '90s would look at and get excited. but it's better than no wage increases. as long as that sticks, i do believe can you be more constructive than deinstructive when you think about what is going on economicly. >> ten year yields are ten basis points. .1% lower on the day. the best performing sector today, no surprise.
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the utilities. they set an all time record intraday high. breaking the prior record. that was set about a month or so ago. this interest rate sensitive index is up 16% this year as the fed signaled a rate tike some time this summer, maybe. but given all the talk that you were just making in terms of rate hikes and what the jabs dada jobs data means, utilities will be there for investors if they get tabled for a little longer. >> thank you. i mention ris 5:00 version, that's what i'm talking about. the move in the bond market in, utilities, wean the pe for the sector more than 22 people still want to buy these. >> doesn't matter, right? >> it's hunt for yield. now xlu, all time high today as dom pointed out. i'm not trying to compare. go back to 2007 when xlu was on this huge run. recall what happened in the months that followed. i'm not suggesting that's what we're in for.
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this isn't bullish for the broader market. when xlu leads us higher, there is something wrong. bond yields remain stubbornly low despite what everybody else seems to want to happen. >> i think is the dumb money to speak very candidly. the kind of investor that has the mindset that utilities are historically defensive. i know i need equity exposure. i'm going to buy something defensive. you're paying up all time high and epic valuations. by the way, same people doing this with consumer staples which is starting to look like a head and shoulders top. sari to till. i do not think this is well educated money. i think this is throwing money at low etfs and the type of vehicles that purport to give you equity structure. you're not going to like this bond flavor. >> all right. these guys are sticking around. meantime, some call it the super bowl for pharma and biotech. it is the biggest cancer research conference of the year. it kicks off today.
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what will drive stocks and move medicine forward this year?
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this, of course, follows a controversy and multiple investigations into the san francisco based lending club which the department of financial services subpoenaed last month. the justice department reportedly also looking into them. this is an extension of that inquiry, guys. aims to get more information about other companies in this line of work and whether or not they may be running into legal issues as well. >> yep. and the stock falling as you speak, kate. thank you very much. in the meantime, the biggest cancer research conference of the year kicks off today in chicago. so what will drive stocks and move treatments forward over the weekend? our pharma reporter is here to break down what we can expect before she leaves for the conference. >> that's right. leaving in 45 minutes. so this is the big show. a lot of the biggest cancer drug makers presenting data over the weekend and early next week. this has really turned into a big pharma meeting where you see companies like bristol-myers and merk competing in immune yoe therapy. you also have roesch in there.
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those are the big pharma companies that we should be watching over the weekend. of course, it is often the smaller names that move more into next week. so we actually asked a data analysis tool what previous people have told us about the most positive movers out of asco. they returned five name, seattle genetics, ionis pharma and finally halozyme of the companies, seattle genetics is a good one to watch. we will have the ceo joining us on power lunch on monday as well. >> we look forward to that. stick here. let's bring in our biotech analyst. he is joining the conference today. he joins us today from chicago. meg gave a good rundown of what to watch. which ones are of interest in your coverage universe? >> great to be here. following on meg's comments, not only ariad which has big data
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and kite. kite is one we've been talking about for a while. >> it's been a great run for biotech investors over the past three weeks. biotech up is 12% or something like. that outpacing the s&p 500. when the jobs number hit this morning as disconnected as they may seem, it created a risk in the environment. are you concerned about biotechs the rest of the year given the change in tone that seemed to happen today? >> that's great. so look, i think in the short term, we've had a nice move in the biotech sector like you said, 12%. the ibb seems to be locked in the channel. it bounced off 250 support levels a couple time. moved up to 290. and i think that's been healthy. we've had support levels and i think that we can move higher. the keycy think we're looking for a better political backdrop. we're looking for the steady beat of m & a. it has been a big theme over the last couple of weeks. and we're looking for important
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political dat yachlt as the political backdrop clears up, people have more confidence to buy the stocks which are still down year to date. >> mike, it's meg. just curious to know your picks on m & a. we have seen med sahratian bandied about. what other names may get taken out in the near term? >> i think that ariad which is one we've been talking about here and you mentioned, you should ask the ceo there. they're definitely viewed to be a strategic company that would make a big fit in blood cancers. obviously sort of, you know, later this year we're thinking about biomarin. >> you're hoping the political backdrop would get better. by that i'm assuming the political noise about price rises and what we do about that in the future. smell out what would you hope to happen in the runup to november? what are you saying here? >> that's great.
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so, look, i think that couple things are going to be watching for, number one, obviously political debates. you know for the general election are going to be coming up over the next couple months. people are concerned about what the candidates are going to say. obviously, they're going to be talking, you know, big ideas that could be scary. but i think that people are looking for things that are not dramatically game changing, things that we are not new and shocking. i think if they're lower in the aagenda yashgs you know, i think there are a lot more important things going on in the world. they're low on the agenda. there is nothing shockingly new. i think that people will come to realize that early on. it was scary. and the reality is some of these things are not so bad. >> michael, thank you for joining us. some may argue the tone has changed. they were out with a note saying biogen is able to raise pricing on three of the multiple sclerosis drugs.
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so here's what's interesting. if you assume it's hillary and trump, every other sector there is always going to be a political debate about, especially as we get close to a presidential election. but each side has a proponent. so if it's guns or if it's finance, the farm suit cam companies are the only ones that are getting numbers from both sides. that makes them a tough noeld a year like. this however, it's one of the few sectors where you can find earnings growth and management that is willing to put forward a ton of cash to shareholders. i argue it's pharma and biotech and technology. that it is purchase it. i think can you find other stores that make the political headline risk worth while. >> it's not a buying opportunity base ond how you think the house and senate votes will go.
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potentially if you see them hit, you think any moves would ultimately be stalled? >> clearly. >> that's like wow. >> clearly. if you actually follow either candidate, you know nothing is going to happen. hillary had to make sure she couldn't get outflanked by sanders or elizabeth warren or someone like. that i think this is the furthest thing from donald trump's mind. but if you can get through between now and the lection, to your point, sure this is worth while headline risk. >> that is a financial term out there. we call it suris. i will say this. we have pointed thut it 285 will be resistance. look where it traded yesterday. mentioned kite pharmaceutical. it is really interesting. the stock sold off significantly since the fall. 17% short interest. if you want a flyer along a line of a celetor, i encourage you to see what happened, there take a look at kite. >> that is what you give me. >> see, that's why i -- isn't
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that -- i can share some gummy bears? we have gummy bears here. can i share some? >> it's a tradition on the "power lunch" set. >> we're 1.5% from historic highs. that's where we've been for quite a while. what will it take to get stocks to new highs? "power lunch" is back in. two (singing) you wouldn't haul a load without checking your clearance. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck.
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. final gold trades are crossing the session. of course, a lot of this is being driven by the safe haven trade, moving to the so-called safe havens of the market like gold and bonds and the big move that we're seeing in the dollar index. taking a check on the rest of the metals complex, we have big moves across the board. silver is higher by 2% and copper. palladium is up by 3% right now. now let's got a check on the bond market with rick santelli. >> quickly, before we get to the charts, let's go through what is going on with the yield curve for the week. two year, down a dozen basis points on the day. down 14 on the week. the winner, the five year, down 13 on the day. down seven on the week. tens, down ten on the day, down 15 on the week. 30s down seven on the day, down 14 on the week. big drops in yield. that sts finance part of the curve. that is the most real rates say many end users and also had the biggest move, obviously.
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let's go to the 513 chart on tens. may of last month, the 13th. that's where twos, fives and tens are comped to. can you see the big chart. 30s are dropping back to april. if we look at the year to date, there is big. 1.66 the low yield of the year. we're getting close boons took it out. all time low yield close at seven basis points. last one, a one week of the dollar chart. it shows how today changed everything for the dollar index. it's all about central banks unfortunately. back to you. >> rick, quickly, give me an update on the 210 spread. >> it's not making new lows. it traded the lows yesterday. briefly testing 90. it's only a basis point or two higher than. that virtual lit flattest since november of 2007. >> all right. rick, thank you. let's get to a special edition of power run down.
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we have our fast money trader with us. this is what we do on fast money. >> every night at 5:00. >> top trades. all right. here we go. first top trade. tlt. it tracks the long term treasury bonds with maturities of ten years or more we saw flight to safety here. they're up. what do you do? >> stay with the trade. i've been steadfast in few things i've been steadfast in this. interest rates in this country are going lower. nobody wants to believe it. everybody says the economy is doing so well. you heard that for last two years. the economy is not nearly as strong as people want to believe. rates are going down. the yield -- the curve, the 210s are 90. that is going to flatten out still, folks. i think they trade down 1.25%. >> i said that for a long -- you know that. >> i know that. >> you're playing to the audience here on the 1:00 to 3:00 show, you know at 5:00 i say ut ail the time, rates are going down. >> next trade here. market vectors gold.
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barrett gold, newmont. >> doing really well today. again, outforemaning commodity. makes sense. lever to the price of gold. outperforming on a lousy tape much makes sense. i said at the top of the show. gold is not about a dollar trade. to me, it's a play on currency that's manifest in itself when the japanese went to their negative interest rate poll sichlt i said brichlt i'll say it again. $10 trillion of negatively yielding sovereign bonds globally is not a bullish thing. it lends itself to gold. i think gold goes higher from here. i think the miners outperform. >> you would rather -- >> i love this game. tune in. >> we'll do this later. but gold or the miners? >> the miners. i mean, somewhat counterintuitive. they're so levers to the price. i think you stay to the miners. >> amborella, shares jumping 5%. revenue matching forecast here. of course, the read through is go pro which is also higher on
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the back of this guy. >> i love for go pro to take off. right or wrong? i mean we have nick woodman on all the time. >> you wear a go pro around your house. >> go pros are amazing. >> i'm amazing. but with that said, now all the analysts are tripping themselves to upgrade. i sort of get it. go back to november and see where the stock was trading. look where it is trading now. look at the short interest. the inclination is to fade this move to the upside. i think the inclination is wrong. i think you stay with this one over the next couple weeks. >> all right. simon, over to you. >> thank you very much. stocks are off their session lows. the dow fell as much as 148 points earlier. investors sold stocks and rushed into bonds following that weaker than expected jobs report. oil is also down as you'll have seen. so will the jobs number now move broadly hurt equities? they most reemently saw an uptick in inflows. it was in the last week but it
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was there. our guests join us to discuss. ira, this is actually given the scale of the conversation that people are having. this is quite a small move that you've got in the equity market. why do you think that? >> the stock market was particularly strong over the week captured in this data set n the prior seven weeks, there were outflows. so wouldn't make too much out of this dat yachlt i think the incoming data had been quite strong until today. they gave investors more confidence. if you think about what the market has done since 2009, we had a huge move. there were positive flows into equities. so the stock market is able to move. flows haven't mattered. >> john, people will have just heard guy say the economy is much weaker than people expect. what do equity investors think of that if that is true? >> certainly today's job report
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would play right into what guy is saying. they need to be vetted a little bit more so. in the six months ending in march, the winter and spring -- and spring, the economy created 230,000 jobs per month. that's way above average and way too high. something to do with warmer weather. the last couple months that slowed down. i think job growth is slowing. not as much was in today's report. >> i'm going to ask you both the same question for 30 seconds. over the weekend, what should people think about doing with their portfolio. >> take a step back and think about what drives stocks. over the long term, valuation and earnings. today you have to understand that we're only trading at a slight premium to the slight market multiple. that is in a very low interest rate environment.
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if you look at the housing data and until today, everything suggested and proving trends. so we're bullish on corporate earnings and valuations are reasonable. so we're still constructive on equities. >> john? >> i would echo the comments. i'd add if can you get inside of janet yellen's head and figure out what she's going to say on monday that, will be very helpful. >> that's true. send us a note. thank you. have a great weekend. and go to our website to see a small cap stock that ira is bullish on right now. okay. let's get to sue herrera for a news update. >> simon, here's what's happening at this pour. rebels in the indian controlled portion of cashmere ambushed a convoy of soldiers in a busy market killing three and jirg three more. the rebels are fighting for the independence from india. a suburban chicago police pension board revoked the $79,000 a year pension of former
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police officer drew peterson. that decision comes a day after peterson was convicted in a murder for hire case in southern illinois. he was also convicted of killing his third wife. heavy rain causing severe flooding in parts of western pennsylvania. one of the hardest hit areas is in west moreland county where crews used rafts to rescue people stranded inside their home. so far, no deaths or injuries have been reported. and matt damon giving the commencement speech at m.i.t. he played a mathematically gifted custodian at that school in the 1997 movie "good will hunting" toek spo more than 2800 graduates. he told them it was an honor to be part of their special day even though it was an honor that he says he didn't earn. en that is the cnbc news update this hour. back to you to you guy. >> thank you very much. so it's taken 14 days to detect a signal from one of the black boxes of egyptair 804.
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. this morning stloe job growth creation. where does that leave us? the president and ceo of the national urban league joins us and the former mayor of new orlea orleans. also with us, ron christy. he is a former special assistant to president george w. bush. what do you make of 38,000 on the jobs growth figure here? this shocked a lot of people today. does it help donald trump? >> well, good afternoon, silon. i think it's shocking on many levels. 38,000 jobs is not getting it done. we're not moving forward with the speed of economic growth that we need in this country to come out of this recession that i think that we're in. if you also look at the 59,000
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jobs that were revised downward for march and april, it shows that economy is not doing as well as it could. why? because in my view government is too much in people's business and should allow business the ability to innovate rather than restricted by restrictive policies that this government put in place. >> i don't like the numbers no document but the question is whether these numbers reflect a longer term trend. yes, there needs to be more economic growth. yes, there needs to be, i think, more effort to stimulate the economy. stimulate business investment and consumer demand. i think there should ab decisional fiscal stimulus. while we had a good run of jobs, it certainly needs to continue. the bigger question i think is what does it mean for the fed? i hope the fed will see this and will not raise interest rates. >> ron, just to come back to the major point that you make there. do you importantly see the unemployment rate falling to 4.7%. that's a very low level by
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historic standards, isn't it? >> by historic standards, yes. but if you look at that 4.7%, what does that really reflect it? reflects that are tl are 95 million people out of the workforce. the labor workforce participation rate is the worst it's been in nearly 40 years. so i think that 4.7% is misleading. i do agree with my good friend here that we need to ensure that those folks at the federal reserve bank who are watching this this that she should not raise short term are tr rates. >> you are sure that hillary clinton has enough new ideas on the table for job creation? clearly donald trump has a lot of innovative measures. >> well, donald trump's plan is a plan that would turn the deficit into the size of a planet jupiter much that's what his plan s. >> but he is saying something new. the danger, i'm assuming, is that clinton could be seen -- >> the question is not whether it's new or old. the question is whether it's real and infective. i mean, the truth is this campaign will certainly, i
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think, be waged around who has the better economic plan? not the best talking points, not the best critique, but who has the best economic plan? one that can increase wage growth which we need to do, increase overall economic growth and make sure the main streets of america don't get left behind. this really -- i mean for you, this really cuts to the core of it, doesn't it? this is about the rust belt states and whether you can turn some of the dems to donald trump. >> that's great. you look at what this former secretary of state said, of course, wanting to eliminate coal jobs in west virginia and pennsylvania. i think a lot of people are looking at her record and saying do we really want a third term in the obama administration? does she promise much more of the same we had the last eight years or does donald trump's vision put things into sharp focus and say let's try something different. let's go in a different direction. the last eight years have not been very good for job growth in america. >> we thank you.
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>> they've been good for job growth. the president's approval rating is above 50. so that means that there are a majority of americans today who may think that a continuation of many of the president's policies are good for the country. >> we have to leave it. there thank you both. >> good to see you both. >> thank you. >> up next, go all in or time to fold? we're rolling the dice on casino stocks. plus, must see video of a young boy and his close encounter with a lion. thank you. ordering chinese food is a very predictable experience. i order b14. i get b14. no surprises. buying business internet, on the other hand, can be a roller coaster white knuckle thrill ride. you're promised one speed.
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check this out. a kid's close encount we are a lion. at this zoo, hick thick glass keeps the people from the animals. >> this is the craziest thing i have ever seen. who is taking that video? it is the kid's parents? they clearly shows no fear
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whatsoever. >> still. >> you're a wise guy, right? a foul ball and everybody flinches. the natural inclination is to flinch. the guy taking the film didn't flinch. there is something going on. the child turned away and didn't see it coming. >> tv. today's job report stoking fears of a u.s. slowdown and only 38,000 jobs last month. ib vestors looking beyond america, one other major focus this year and end of last is china. and, of course, the slowdown happening notably in mecal. let's get to susan lee with more. >> it's been two years and no immediate recovery in sight according ing ting to morgu ii. it doesn't look like it will be coming back in a big way any time soon. the results show that shorter and fewer stays are being taken by chinese gamblers. they're also currency risks being tied to a weakening
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currency. now on the flip side and on the other side, u.s. casinos might be the place to be with surprisingly stable growth. penn, boyd, and mgm are the names to buy state side. back to you. . >> so is it too risky to buy stocks? adam, i'll start with you. they started a morgue y eed mor report. what are they mising? >> so there are many things that are dangerous and could potentially throw the recovery off track. but as of now, mass gaming is growing on a he is quenl basis. i think as the new properties open, wynn palace and las vegas sands at the end of the summer, you'll start to see demand shore up. >> whether you say mass gaming,
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you're talking about the nonvip. >> so fewer people, fewer visits and higher spend? >> exactly. and on the mass side, you have a higher margin business versus the vip. where the junket keeps a portion of the profit. >> is that pos ipossible, harry? before it was all about the vip. >> i think there's a bigger question which is there enough demand there to support the opening of $10 billion worth of new casinos opening now between the first quarter. and the evidence hasn't been great n the last year we've seen two major casino openings. they resulted in no visitation growth. no growth in casino revenues. and while i believe that there will be incremental growth in visitation and revenues when wynn and they open, our view it is won't be enough and it's going to lead to competitive
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pressures and margin erosion. >> i hate to make you choose sides. >> i'm in the bull camp. the stock i'm in the bull cam weapon is wynn. steve wynn is betting on himself. look at how resill yenlt it is. i know simon is about to jump down my throat. but as long as he keeps betting on himself, i'm betting with steve win. >> there are many people who don't believe that there is information coming out of mccow to judge what is going on with the government control. if that makes you nervous, remind us what the purer plays are on vegas and other possible stable parts wlaf is happening in this country. >> the purest play is mgm. which has 10% exposure to mccow. but 80% of the cash flow comes from las vegas and in las vegas you have five, six, p 7% pricing growth which is likely to
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generate two-time the growth for mgm over the next 18 months. >> all right. we're going to leave it there. thank you. up next, why investors are loving space stocks. that's when "power lunch" returns.
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before the break, we told that you they're going to sell some icy beers in space. cell towers and crown castle, they're trading off the highest level since going public in 1998. as for beer, molson-coors hitting the high level. and space, we're not talk about the final frontier. we're talk about extra space storage. trading at the highest level since the 2004 high. a bunch of utilities here. a whole smaterring, guy. very interesting. >> let me ask you a question. >> fire away. >> this extra space, you have a lot of junk. seriously. >> you need a place to store your junk. and that's making an all time high. so follow me here. is that correct? >> yes. >> so what does that tell you about society? tells me that we have way too
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much stuff. if those stocks are makingi an all time high, as a society, we're too glutenous. too much stuff, folks, get rid of it. when the stocks start going down that, means the economy -- that means people are finally getting fiscally responsible. i'm not even losing my mind here. it's true. >> maybe that's because consumers are not spending on weather and other junk to replace the junk they just threw out from the extra space they rented. >> there are people eating a ham sandwich and he's like he made a lot of sense about that extra space thing. it's not a big valuation. something is going on there. i would continue to look at that name. >> something is going on there. >> look at the way the stock is trading. loudy tape. great stock performance. >> and nobody eats ham sandwiches anymore. anyway, speaking of ham sandwiches. >> nobody eats them. speaking of them. >> all time highs to new lows in the workplace, just wait until you hear how many people say they had their lunch stolen at
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>> thanks for having me. >> am i reading that? >> yechlt it says scott. >> diz monthly jobs report. stocks off the lows. take a look at the major averages to day. still in the red across the board. we have moved off the worst levels of the session. there is the dow down just by 44 points. s&p 500 off nearly 8. the nasdaq is also the worst today down .6%. financials, the weakest sector right now. rights now we have the fed's first reaction to the weak employment data. and steve liesman here is with the details. >> scott, we broke it during you show. we have sound from the fed governor who gave a dovish response to a very weak number this morning. let's show what you they said. she says, wait. >> prunlt rdent risk management suggests that risks create greater confidence in a rebound in domestic activity and greater certainty regarding the brexit
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vote seem more ahead of the developments. zbh that's an old equation that he used to talk b take the least risky route here. i'm gathering different ideas. our crack economics staff gathering ideas for why this number was so bad. j.p. morgan suggesting that job growth could be lagging the gdp. we had very weak first quarter numbers now. the job numbers catch up with that. there was some weather issues that are out there strong in march. weaker in april. maybe that continues. the verizon strike, we know that took 35,000, 40,000 off. the other thing i want to talk about is a data outlier. i want to go to the next screen. this is the eighth biggest miss. i looked at all misses when the street miss business more than 100,000. what happens is the next month it tends to come back. outside of recessions, that's important, i don't know if we're in a recession here, when we miss like this out side of recession, we come back the next month with an average of up
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186,000. i want to show you how we were all like ellen degeneres with no memory. okay? absolutely no memory. march 2015, we hit -- we did 84,000 on the payroll number. that miss bid 122,000. more than the miss today. came back the next month with a 251. okay? and the data outside of recessions is full of that. it happens. we get. this i'm not saying it's an outlier. there is evidence and i assume it's weaker. one thing mark zandy pointed out, only 74% of the sample responded in this payroll number. so that something to think about. it's a low compared to will 80%. >> it's a july rate rise or not at all this year probably then. you get the rebound and you go up. >> they could come back in december. i'm not sure that raising in december ahead of the christmas selling season is the brightest move. they did it last year, it was okay. but in this context, they need
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to see july come back -- june come back in july. they need to seat numbers revised up. they need to seat gdp numbers keep going strong. >> that's for janet yell non fi -- janet yellen. >> the fed reported that the house science committee launched an investigation into that bank of bangladesh hacking incident at the new york fed. that is expanding the chairman lamar smith of the house science committee sending this letter to janet yellen at the fed here in washington, d.c., requesting documents relating to cybersecurity incidents at the fed, particularly concerning to the science committee they say is a report in reuters earlier this week that at least 50 breeches of information technology systems from 2011 to 2015 at the fed of those they say four hacking incidents in 2012 alone were considered acts
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of espionage. the house science committee wants to get to the bottom of that. they want to produce all reports created by the nirt and local cybersecurity teams. they're asking for a detailed description of all confirmed cybersecurity incidents and they're also asking for all documents and communications referring or related to higher impact cases handled by nirt or local cybersecurity teams. so an extensive document request here of the fed here in washington to -- in a letter sent to janet yellen today. >> all right. thank you very much. let's get back to the markets here. where do we go from here? let's check the technicals out. bring in chad gordon for his take on what the charts say. what you are looking at? >> a nice clean uptrend here. we're going to go back down to 20910 lows. you can see that uptrend is well established. and what i'm focusing on is the two major corrections that we've seen over the last couple years. we saw a nice 300 point drop in the s&p 500.
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and then through the volatility in 2015 and 16, another 340 point drop. so we're quite symetrical. i follow a model that is the fourth wave of a fifth wave pattern. i believe we should have one more pushup into next year around 2 of2600. >> 2600 and what? is that sterling? >> is that skepticism? >> no that, is 500 points. >> over the next year to year and a half. i mean we're not going to be up there by next quarter. but we have some -- we have the fed behind uz. look, we had bonds staying big. gold is staying big. the dollar is selling off. this this an outlier or not? if this is the start of a big slowdown that, is not going to
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propel the stock market higher, really. >> what really changed, we're down .5% with 38,000 jobs added this month. nothing has changed. now it's looking good. without the participation of financials. >> well, i -- financials have been underforemaning. they're the worst performing sector, i believe at least one year and possibly two years. >> it's been one of the better performing sectors. that's why they managed to march higher. >> again, if you look at the nine major sector sxl, the financials have them and they've been worst performing. all wife done here is that. this is what everyone is concerned about. i'm a simple kind of guy. i try not to overthink things. all the volatility, that's all you got? i mean, that's not -- we haven't even seen volatility yet.
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>> all right. so financials, okay. we really need to start seeing some real selling. >> we got it on the record, tot. 2600. thank you. sod gor todd gordon. >> financials are the weakest performing sector here. it is now a buy opportunity for them or are there better places to invest in this race sensitive market? joining us now, john manly, chief equity strategist and cio of shore best. what is your take here on financials? >> i like them. i'm probably the wrong guy to ask. i like what they've been doing for a while. i think eventually rates will go up. the fed won't be tightening and chasing the economy higher. i would probably be overweighted. >> how do you process this conversation that is happening right now? a rate rise may be off for june or july? >> the market is looking ahead. will it go up next week? i don't think financials are necessarily foremaning next week.
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but they're not badly valued. and they're still a very good story in there. i think things will get better at some point in time. >> what is your take? >> well, i think simon is really a continuation of several false starts we've seen for the financials. i think when you look and see companies like citi trading at 70% of book, you're looking at j.p. morgan with a nice dividend yield tshgsz a very compelling theme to be investing in financials right now if he expect the interest rates to rise. but then you get back to back weeks jobs numbers and see today they get crushed. so if you're going to go into financials, you don't buy a broad based etf. you have to look at the companies with great leadership like jamie diamond and a dividend yield like 3%. pick them selectively. but as a group overall, i don't think you go in, you know, head first right now. >> john, it's guy. how do you wrap your head around this i get banks that are well capitalized in the histories of the balance sheets. i get. that i get valuation is extraordinarily compelling.
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what i can't wrap my head around is twos and tens are the last levels we snau december 2007. the environment is very difficult for the banks to make money. so what is the reason to be such a ardent bull in the space? >> i think things will get better. i think it's all a question of where we go from here. is it as good as we ever thought? i'm still in the industry. i think that it will get better. i think the world's economy will strength as the world's economy strengthens, it's good to be financials. i don't think the fed is going to slam on the breaks. so a better economy without a fed tightening is good for the economy. i'm a patient man. >> i think what we're asking is whether the stocks which appear to be good values are value traps? >> they've been value traps. but not terrible. they haven't done that well. it doesn't been disastrous either. again, i tend to give myself a lot of leeway when i look at these things. i can't be precise in predicting the future. i see the value and why the
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story can get better. i see the issues with regulation which will be a problem for some time. i think at the end of the day or maybe the endst year or, so i think we have a better economy and they benefit from it. >> there was a front page story on and the banks, are you able to put that to one side? >> what i'm saying, simon, when you look at the financials right now, theres a lot more headwinds than tail winds right now. so when you're investing and it's a very hard sector to get overly optimistic about, but when it's 19% of the s&p 500, you're going to have to put some money there if you're allocated to domestic equities. that's going to hurt some banks. when you look at well capitalized banks like j.p. morgan, even jamie die monld talked about another head wind which is the coming crisis in the auto leases and auto loans that are out there that are going to go bad. so you have to really look at what you own. like i said, i don't see atz a sector you go head first into. >> we'll leave it. there thank you both.
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>> thank you. >> okay. it's taken 14 days to detect a signal if one of the black boxes onboard egyptair will 804. the crash into the mediterranean sea. would live streaming technology have made a difference? we'll speak with the ceo of one company who says yes. they found out who's been hacking into our network.
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pictures of flooding in paris. they're seeing levels they haven't seen in 35 years. and tourists are being turned away as staff scramble to protect priceless pieces of art from the rising waters. and it's not just france. heavy rains across europe left ten people dead. most of them in germany. >> i'd be heart broke finance i was in paris right now. >> yeah. all right. time now for "street talk." we kick it off with big lots. oppenheimer initiating coverage on big lots and outperform. this beats a full year raise quarter. it also had same-store sales growth. the best performance in four years. they added refrigerated and frozen goods and deemphasized the closeout partst business. this is a winner of the stock this year. up by 37%. >> it's right on the verge of breaking out to the upside as well. it needs to close above $54. that's been resistance. it's a meticulous valuation.
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if you have the gull to be in this a stock like this, you need to wait it out. >> that's like a 5:00 inside joke. >> i get it. >> next up, weatherford international. piper jaffray upgrading that stock from overweight to neutral. the firm believes the recent $1.1 billion senior note offering improves the resilience of weatherford. they raised the price target to $8 from $7.50. >> i like this call. i think the stock traded well off that you just mentioned. i'll say this, you've seen stocks like this move to the upside in way that's don't make sense. so i actually applaud this analyst for doing. this i don't know if it gets to will 8. i think there is another 10% to 15% on the upside of this name. >> final "street talk" stock, broadcom. lots of call out for the better than expected quarter. raymond james among the calls raising the price target to $180 from $160.
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the upside in the quarter driven by better than expected revenues and the upside to the guide from better apple revenue. the analyst points out that broad xcom is diversified. you think of broadcom, you automatically think apple and you think of cell phones. but that's not the case. >> have and have notes in the space. clearly, can you pull up a chart of ten different names and you see who swining and losing. broadcom is winning. i like this call late. better late than never. i think it goes higher. >> there is a lot going on. there. >> you pay attention. now all of a sudden you pay attention. you were out there eating lunch. >> ham sandwich. >> chips have been working lately, right? >> some of them have, absolutely. i saw you on the halftime report. you talk about the chips softened with that crew. >> i watch. i watch everything. >> keeps you busy. >> appreciate that. >> all right. up next, will live streaming technology replace the black box on airplanes? we'll speak with one ceo who is hoping. so he'll join us next. thanks man.
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the transportation index is off the worst we are formance. it was on track for the worst
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day in more than three weeks. avis budget weighing the most, down by 3%. airlines also lagging. check out american, united, delta, southwest, all down by around that 2% to 3% mark in this mid afternoon trade. back over to you. >> thank you, dom chu. it's been 15 days since will 804 crashed into the mediterranean sea. it's taken 14 days to detect a signal from one of the aircraft's black boxes. the wreckage has yet to be discovered. the cause of the crash remains unknown. would live stream being technology have made a difference? the own other of the company that makes the technology. tom, why don't you walk us through how exactly this technology works and how much it costs. >> certainly. so flight is an aerospace company based in calgary, can d.a. we make several products that access real time aircraft data and make products that allow our customers to take that real time aircraft data and save money in the operations.
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>> how does that work? how does it work exactly? do you use wi fi or how do you actually trans mitt the information on a minute to minute basis? >> yep. so our equipment includes modems for the satellite communications network. that's a low earth orbit satellites. we're a seller for that consolation. so we can connect anywhere in the world between the aircraft and our ground base server uptime. that allows the customers to access the information on the aircraft in real time. so our products provide then the ability to look at real time events on other aircraft, look at health, trends we can log into other systems and see what is going on. >> it sounds attractive. you'd be able to monitor an airline and detect trouble before it actually results in some sort of fatal crash. but how much does this system cost? if it doesn't cost that much
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money, i would imagine airlines would be all over it. >> it is quite affordable. the base unit that we sell is around $50,000 take plus or minus given the particular deal. when you add in the cables and the installation time and labor, it comes in at less than $100,000. this then is allows us to all of the real time access that we require. to provide products that actually over the time that they're used by the airliner will pay the customer back because of the operational efficiencies that they'll gain by saving fuel, by understanding exactly where the aircraft are, all of those elements. >> give us an airline perspective here. how would the industry think about this? >> well, obviously technology plays in an ever increasing role in safety. and this is an advance if can you have real time streaming. the problem is the cost benefit analysis. much of what is occurring today has a satellite based acar
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system. much of the data, although not the data this gentleman provides is available down stream. but that doesn't really increase the safety of the aircraft. very little can be done to help an airplane recover from some catastrophic event by talking from the ground. so they've done a cost benefit unless. it hasn't cleared the threshold of a very significant capital investment and operating cost. >> what do you say to that, tom? >> i think right now it's been 15 days since the egyptair flight went down. we can stream black box data, the essential parameters every 20 seconds from the aircraft. so there was about seven or so acar message that's were received from that aircraft. i don't know the exact number. i'm not privy it to. but that indicated that there was time to get aircraft information off that aircraft before it was terminated. >> but i think what tom -- >> but that that nfction would
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have been useful. how would you explain that. i would say in the case of 447, for example, there was a two year time difference between when the aircraft went down and when it was found. and when it was found, the black boxes were recovered. we were lucky to be able to recover the data from those boxes. that showed there was a procedural problems. it was a big two year lag that flight went down and the time we found the boxes. that incident could have occurred again. if we had the information real time from the aircraft, then we could have been working and understanding the solution far in advance of when it was actually done. >> you have sold anything? have you sold one of these devices? >> absolutely. we have 50 customers worldwide. >> 50? >> yes. >> 5-0.
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yes. we provide a great deal of real time data that provides customers the opportunity to save money in their operations. we're expanding rapidly. >> would we have flown on any of the customer's airlines? >> it's possible. >> such as? >> well, in canada, there is first air that is flying our solution and is providing the real time streaming. there is airlines in portions of the third world. we're waiting for the first large customer in north america and europe. we continue to work on. that i think our tech snolg compelling. i think as we continue to get the story out, there people will do as gordon said the cost benefit analysis and realize there are better ways to do things than the way we've done them in the past. >> do you think is an instance where this should be regulated or left to the private sector? >> the regulators will make this judgement. if this had a material positive
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change in aircraft safety, they would mandate it. this is an information system and how quickly you get the information. the egyptair crash or two years ago the air france crash both were able to recover and identify what the problem was. none of which would have precluded the descent. so the regulators tend to go on the safety side. it's nice and of course the families want to know and the information is important. but it's not that critical to have it that same real live time. >> sure. >> it's just not. >> all right. gentlemen, thank you. >> the market is getting ready to close right now. we'll have the final trades. plus, florida governor rick scott sending an angry letter to the white house. ggins had... ...a tree that bore the most rare and magical fruit. which provided for their every financial need.
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establish the group in that country. more than 100 bodies were pulled from the sea off libya's coast after a smuggler's boat carrying mainly african migrants sank in the mediterranean sea. the death toll is expected to rise. 200,000 people from israel and abroad attending the annual lesbian, guy, bisexual event in tel aviv. tel aviv emerged as one of the world's most gay friendly travel destinations. and former fifa president's lawyer says the compensation payments he received were proper and fair. it's in response to fifa's accusation that he and two former officials were involved in a coordinated attempt to enrich themselves to the tune of $80 million in salary and bonuses over a five-year period. that's the cnbc news update at this hour. simon, back to you. >> $18 million between three over five years. not bad.
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a busy week for crude and the opec meeting and the discussion about. that the big news is the employment report and the weakening in the dollar generally, $48.71 is where we close out. >> the gold miners are surging. todd, what you are seeing in the charts? >> i like the gold miners. i actually came in long today and added to the position. gold is reflecting the fed's complaisancy here, the requirement to be complaisant going into this summer months. i don't see a fed rate hike. that should put a top in the dollar. help put gold higher to option traders, the gold miners are showing the highest volatility in the major industry groups. there i took the opportunity to sell some put spreads on the down side. gold should quiet down and continue to move higher. >> all right. so key to that analysis, todd, correct me if i'm wrong, the dollar will be capped. >> correct, yes.
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>> boris, do you agree it has to be capped? >> no. it doesn't have to be capped. even if the dollar does rise, even if the fed raises rates a little bit, i think it's going to create turbulence in the equity market. the risk aversion is going to help gold. when you look at gold miners, look at them essentially as options on the underlying which is the gold itself. the moesst levered companies ar the best bets. if they can hold that 1200 support and begin to rally and most importantly, if they can break the 1300 to the upside, it's a screaming buy for the gold miners. there is quite a lot of potential here even if the fed actually raises rates. >> the only way that ties in, boris, is if the stock market does sell off sharply and we run into both the dollar angle for safety. that is the one way that that happens. >> that's my argument, yes. >> boris, scott, you're in the foreign exchange hall of fame, without question. i'll say this, strengthening yen
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force jazz pan to do something. god only knows what they're capable of doing to weaken the currency again. my thesis has been gold is a play against fiat currencies. can you speak to the foreign exchange market? and why maybe for first time in decades gold wins? >> i'll give you one better. the chinese juan continues to get weaker and weaker. where saul the chinese money going to? there is a lot of retail buying of gold as well. yes, there is a move away from fiat currencies, not just in japan. but also in china. i think that puts a bit under gold. as i said, gold right now this 1200 is critical f we can hold it, it's going to be a screaming buy going forward into the summer. >> i can throw one out there? >> last word. >> anybody seen a move in bit coin? this thing is extremely -- i mean i understand it is chinese demand. but all of a sudden, they're going through 550. we're breaking out of here. >> that is not a coincidence. >> guys, thank you. head to our website for more
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information. >> all right, florida grofrn rick scott firing off a heated letter to the obama administration asking for federal assistance to combat the spread of the zika virus. joining us is governor rick scott. welcome. nice to see you today. thanks for coming on "power lunch." >> nice to see you. congress goes on vacation. zika is not going on vacation. and we're not down here. we're going to do everything we can. but the federal government needs to show up. the obama administration, i assume a very detailed letter of what we need. they need to be a good partner. >> i want to ask you more about that in a moment. i do first, though, want to ask you about a trip that you're soon going making up to the area in which we are presiding that, is new york city. you're going to meet with donald trump on monday. do you think you're being vetted for vice president? >> i don't have an interesting in being vice president. i have an interest in donald trump being president. i need a partner in the white house that is going to add jobs
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to this country. president obama is not been a good partner for job growth. i need a partner in the white house. i'm going to work to make sure that donald trump wins florida and win nationally. >> why are you meeting him on monday? what is the substance of the conversation going to be? >> we're going to talk about my race in 2010 and 2014, how i won and how question help him make sure he wins florida. we're going to -- we're a great melting pot. we have people here care about jobs. that's how i won. he's got the right message. his message is job creation, defend the country, build up the military. all those resonate in our state. and that's what we're going to talk about is how does he win in florida. >> florida is always important, of course. maybe this go around more so than ever. according to the "washington post" which came out with an interesting map which maybe we'll show on the screen here, if states that have gone democratic in the last six elections do yet again plus florida this time, that's a victory for mrs. clinton.
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>> look, i think the race is going to be about donald trump a business person that knows how to create jobs. hillary clinton doesn't know how to create jobs. she didn't defeat ice is. build up the military. secure our border. she wants to build up the military. i think it's a clear choice. so i'm going to do whatever i can to make sure he wins florida. that's what this meeting is about on monday. >> yeah. can i ask you, are you comfortable with the tone and the tenor of the trump campaign? there were apparently a couple more incidents today at an event where two journalists were removed. there have been incidents in the last many days regarding journalists. are you comfortable with the tone and tenor that he is bringing forth to this campaign? >> in my race, i wanted everybody to be safe and secure. i want people to come to my events. everybody runs their race a different way. again, it's a clear choice. donald trump the business person, the outsider, that's what i was in 2010. that's how i won.
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i won because people were ready for something new. they were frustrated with government. that's what donald trump is bringing to the table. somebody that is going to build jobs. >> i hear you. but are you comfortable with the tone and tenor of the campaign? that's the question. >> well, i mean, everybody does their campaigns differently. i know what i did in mine. i want everybody to be safe. i want them to come to my events. i've not been to one of his rallies. i couldn't speak to how the rallies are run. >> i mean you've made sort of -- your support of -- and his support of the second amendment swuven the pill yarz of the reason in which you support him. i'm just curious as to how you feel about the first amendment. >> look, i believe in all the amendments. first amendment is important. the second amendment is important. i believe in all the rights of our individual citizens. this race, this race is going to be about job creation. we need have a change in the direction of this country so we get more jobs. i need a partner in the white house that's going to focus on job creation. that's what i'm going to get with donald trump. >> let me focus to the zika
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virus which, of course, you mentioned at the outset. did you write that letter to the president on june 1st when you wrote in part the fact that congress has not taken immediate action to protect our nation from zika before hurricane season began. and we have entered the heart of summer heat, heavy rainfall and growing mosquito population is dispibting. florida needs action from the federal government now. you said sort of how congress punted at least in the near term on this issue. how concerned should folks be? particularly those who may be in areas that are traveling to florida or have plans to do so this summer? >> here's what people feel comfortable about coming to florida for. we had 30 million tourists the first quarter. they know florida knows how to deal with disasters. we've done it with hurricanes. we're doing it fwhou the risk of zika. we're going to do our part. our department health, emergency management teams, we're going to do our part. fwhut is a national issue. and the federal government needs to show up.
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they're going to show up either before or after this happens. i also ask the federal government to tell me exactly how we're going to work with the fema when we have the cases where it's, you know, mosquito born in our state or in our country. what is the process so to work with fema? the federal government needs to do their part. we're doing ours. >> governor, we'll talk you to soon. thank you so much for your time today. >> have a good day. >> you likewise. florida governor rick scott. >> how many of you have had your lunch stolen at work? it's more kman thcommon than yo. melissa lee has been a victim of it. >> really? >> yes, i have. >> and we have the startling numbers besides melissa lee's lunch to back it up. new bikes aren't selling guys...
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welcome back. nice coming back. >> who stole melissa's lunch? who stole the lunch? >> all right. go ahead. >> take it away. >> i'm good. a new survey of 1,000 full time office workers finds that 71% of them have had their lunch stole african a shared work refrigerator. but interestingly, only about a third actually admitted to taking something that wasn't theirs. >> theives and liers. >> colleagues. >> melissa, as we said, has been a thief -- i mean a victim. >> a victim. is that what you really think? >> sorry. >> so the story is -- i remember when you tweeted about. this. >> i left a clementine orange on my desk. i'm sitting here. i would hear someone yell, mel, someone is eating your clementine. i could see that person peeling it open. i won't name name. you know who it s max myers.
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>> wow. >> i have to tell you something, honestly -- >> from my desk. >> now i put my grapefruit. you've been there. nobody touches my grapefruit at work. you know that. if they do, they know there is ramifications. you need to let people know the ramifications. >> i see you have written your name on the side. >> that was day two, yes, label everything. >> label. >> then can you see. you see black ink on their hands. >> but once the peel is off. >> you actually labelled your orange? >> it worked. >> of course it worked. >> measures i have to resort to. anyway, tile for today's power pitch. one pren muir has just 60 seconds to convince a panel of experts that his start-up has what it takes to be the next big thing. >> hi. i'm stew liddy of zip drug, the first and leading on demand prescription drug delivery business. we hand deliver patients medications from the preferred pharmacy within minutes of the
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time it's ready for pickup oftentimes for less cost than when the patient goes to the pharmacy on their own. we started this business because medication is a huge problem in the united states. 125,000 people die prematurely every year for not taking medication prescribed probably by the doctor. cost and inconvenience are two drivers and we can solve that with zip drug. it is easy for a patient to use zip drug. all they have to do is download the app or visit a kiosk that sits at the doctor's office or at the urgent care setting. three simple steps later, a mess enker who is employed by the company brings them the medication. and in november of 2015, we closed the seed round backed by the best early stage health care and technology investors. since we closed that, they've been doubling in size. >> welcome to today's power pitch. i'm melissa leechlt you saw stu's pitch. now meet the panel. >> joining us is a board member of the new york angels. she invests in over 40 startups.
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they mentors over 30 startups sean a founding partner of nexgen and from seattle. he is a personally investor in tech startups in the u.s. alesh yoo. there is some advantage. i'll stiff you a b though. >> so there some other startups that are attacking. how you are standing out from what they're doing? >> we're the only ones in new york that does this. this is the biggest market in the country. we partnered with city m.d. new york's most urgent care. they give the patient the ability to go up and put their phone number and start prot ses. so when you leave the clinic, you go home and go back to work. you receive your medications. >> kelly? >> i'm going to give you a b minus. i wanted to hear just a little
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bit more about your overhead costs. so how do you expand to a national kpp and keep those costs from eating into your profit sflz. >> our costs and economics are better than that of a typical brick & mortar retail pharmacy. if you look at cvs and walgreens, you're talking 10,000 retail locations in this country. each location is 10,000 to 20,000 square feet. you're talking billions of dollars of real estate that is being spent. at zip drug, we don't need that kind of real estate. our economics are much, much stronger in that record. >> you come across as very confident and really understanding your market which is good. but i'm sitting here in seattle about four blocks from amazon. i'm wondering why you didn't try to convince me how you're going to beat them and the other guy who's already have nationwide distribution. for that omission, i'm going to give you a c on the pitch. people do die every day from misusing or not taking their prescriptions. how you are actually going to help solve that problem? >> as it relates to other companies getting involved in the pharmacy space, it's hard to back up and be compliant and
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start from scratch. so we started from position where we can do exactly what we need to do which just deliver consumable health care to patients. so the actual experience of going to the pharmacy is inconvenient. the medications themselves are growing in costs. so if he with make it more convenient and equally price order lesser priced than actually going to the pharmacy experience, i think we can help people take their medications. >> and how much does it cost? >> the first delivery is free. we charge a $10 convenience fee as part of the delivery. however, the zip drug platform has the zip drug discount program. we enroll patients into it and try find discounts. >> how is the udzer going to know that their specific medication is coming to them and when? >> our messengers are full time employees of our company. the messengers are equipped with technology. when the medication gets picked up and dropped off, it is tracked. we require a photograph of the package at pickup and drofoff or else we don't release that medication.
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>> we heard what stu had to say. what is the panel in or out? what do you say? >> there's is a huge opportunity around medication nonadherence. but the idea that the huge root of that problem just from people not wanting to stand in line or not able to stand in line is a little bit disingenuous. there are tons of other reasons around people not buying it because they don't have insurance, people not wanting to take it because of fear of side effects or understanding, you know, the injection regimes. so that is part of my issue. and i'm also not clear on what the huge competitive advantage is when other startups come into their geography. so unfortunate lishgs i'm out. >> what do you say, kel. >> i >> this is a great concept. i have to look. >> narrator: hood more. know the numbers, know the margins. so i would say right now i have to be reserved and i'd love to see more things from this company and follow it and see what happens. so maybe in the future i'd reconsider but right now i've got to go without. >> all right. two outs. what do you say? in or out? >> i came in here concerned that you were going get crushed by am
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zob and walgreens. what i heard is one of the winningest waults of a entrepreneur is really listening to the customer and understanding the problems and running around and patching holes. i think just what's your reaction. >> we're going to keep going. >> thank you very much. alicia kelly and that is today's "power pitch." >> so are you in or out? tweet us a thought using the #powerpitch. for more go to powerpit powerpitch.cnbc.com. carve heads. it's not easy. i was once working on a bust of shaquille o'neill in swiss.
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>> they say, do you think the stocks are going to close up. i nodded my head yes. one of the reasons is everybody wants to position themselves flat ahead of yellen next week. the path of least resistance for years has been on the upside of it. >> path of least resistance before this morning at 8:30 was up. todd gave you the technical perspective. the market has felt like it wanted to go up and then this throws you a little bit of a wrench because now you're not sure what janet yellen is going to say on monday on the back of that cratering jobs report. coming up, gap or macy's? boeing or lougheed? we'll debate those next on "power lunch."
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that seems to be drawing a lot of action. >> we were just chatting about this. the context was there was a big uptick in background checks in prior months. >> well, april checks were up 14.4% year over year, may, up 2% year over year. the good news for the stocks is you see continued growth, but it's slowing down. you've got to give this a couple of days with smith &s we son. >> time now for a very special edition of a game we love to play on "fast money" at 5:00. this is how it goes. a pair of stocks or etfs and you choose one. first up, would you rap, gap or macy's. >> gap or macy's. gap was a disaster. the answer, gps. look what it's done recently. macy's is still a quagmire. i think gap is figuring out.
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>> macy's is -- >> i get it. you like lundgren. >> don't start zbanging up on me. it's two minutes to the end of the show, i have to do another at 5:00. next. >> would you rather -- boeing or lockheed martin? >> easy. it's been on our show for the past year, lockheed martin. tremendous backlog. the stock continues to make all-time highs. with boeing you have commercial air risk. would i rather? lft will get you done. >> last one. >> simon, do you have something to say? >> would you rather? t or gld. >> both. >> the answer -- if i had to pick one, tlt, why? ten-year rates are going to 1.25. you heard it here. >> you've been hearing it here. >> i was worried that tyler and
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michelle and twul auchlt it's been great. thanks so much. >> thanks for the gummy bear. >> thanks for watching "power lunch." "closing bell" started right now. . . hi, everybody. welcome to the "closing bell." i'm kelly evans with the new york stock exchange. >> and that makes me bill griffeth. stocks well off their lous. the dow down 148 after that really surprising jobs report showing growth of only 38,000 jobs for the month of may. the smallest gain we've seen since 2010. on monday, wouldn't you know, fed chair janet yellen gives a monetary policy speech. is she rewriting the whole thing right now? is she making plans for summer vacation for herself and her federal officials? we'll tell

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