i like to pull out a couple. sales force. haven't talked about that. i know you like that stock. do you own it? >> still own calls in sales for. >> nvidia. visa new high. >> dunkin' donuts. >> good stuff. azure. "power lunch" starts now. a great show today. here is what's on your menu. president trump meeting with congressional leaders to push his agenda with only about 30 working days until the summer recess. can the president and congress get anything done? another new high for high-flying tesla. elon musk meeting, no doubt happy. why do many think the stock should be worth less than $100 than it is now. trump, jobs, and the nba finals. magic johnson checks in. i'm brian sullivan and a fast break slam dunk edition of "power lunch" begins right now. ♪

and welcome to "power lunch." i'm melissa lee. not much movement in the market right now at the headline numbers. little change d but to the down side right now. hitting all-time highs, squared, dunkin brands, johnson and johnson. wendy's pulling back from a ten-year high after nelson pelts discloses a 22% stake and the gold miners on pace for their best day as gold nears a seven week high. i'm courtney reagan. here is what else is happening this hour. a man was shot by police outside the notre dame cathedral in paris after he tried to attack an officer using a hammer. they are treating this as a paris incident and the area has been closed. u.s. jobs openings rose to a record high but the pace of hiring slipped to one-year low. openings climbed to 6 million with more than half in the hotel and restaurant industry. and chain store sales rose year over year as traffic trends improved with memorial day

promotions driving demand supporting red book. courtney, thank you very much. but we begin, where else, in washington. concerns about the trump agenda, a scathing opinion piece in "the wall street journal" calling the president out for his twitter rants and personal feuds derailing his own agenda saying, quote, the most effective opponent of the trump presidency is donald j. trump. this comes as the president meets with congressional leaders today to try to push his economic agenda ahead. now to eamon javers live at the white house with more. >> reporter: you're right, it was a scathing editorial in "the wall street journal" today. this is the intellectual focal point of the conservative movement, establishment conservatives, look to the "wall street journal" editorial page to take their political lead. here is what "the wall street journal" said this morning, though, about this administration under the headline the buck stops everywhere else in 140-character increments mr. trump diminished his own standing by causing a

minor international incident, defensemen monstrating that the who work for him isn't reciprocal. set back his policy goals and wasted time that he could have devoted to health care, tax reform or infrastructure. "the wall street journal" clearly sfruclear ly frustrated with the tweets about the department of justice which the president has been critical of in tweets this week. the president is not persuaded by this argument. here is what he said. the fake msm, mainstream media, is working so hard trying to get me not to use social media. they hate that i can get the honest and unfiltered message out. meanwhile, we're seeing some reports in some media outlets the president is considering using twitter during the comey testimony on thursday. that's going to be a fascinating dynamic if we ste the fired former fbi director up there talking to members of congress up on capitol hill about what transpired between him and the president and the president

responding in real time over twitter to those same comments so that's a development we'll have it to watch. i asked the white house today if they had any comment on this "wall street journal" he hedito and they said they have no comment on it, brian. >> eamon, you live and work down there. i've been there a few times but you're there every day. what i've encountered very deep off-the-record meetings with people in the administration and around the administration, they want him to put down the phone. to a person, to a woman, to a man that i have spoken with, they have said, gosh, we could get stuff done but these tweets create all these problems for us. have you encountered the same kinds of comments and conversation in the people that you speak with every day? >> reporter: sure, absolutely. when you talk to white house officials about this they sort of shake their heads and graeme ace and say the tweets speak for themselves, the false position on all of the president's tweets and we've gotten this mini debate going about whether or not the mainstream media, as the white house likes to say is focusing too much on the tweets. we saw kellyanne conway saying

they're obsessing about the tweets. we should focus on what the president is doing rather than what the president is saying. the problem with that is that these tweets are coming directly from the president of the united states himself. these are presidential stramts of how he feels in the moment and he's very unguarded and candid in those. there are people inside this white house who would like him to stop tweeting or dial it way, way back. but the president himself sees it as a real source of direct communication to his political base, directly around the media, and it's something he likes doing and will continue to do it. >> to your point it is smart. list en, it is honey to the meda bears. i mean, we jump on those traps. he lays them and we step right in them. >> reporter: the irony here you look at the president's tweet about the mainstream media trying to get him to stop tweeting. the mainstream media is covering those tweets incessantly. >> are we mainstream media? >> yes. >> melissa, you are, courtney,

you are. i'm not sure i am. >> media you are. >>. >> reporter: you are sitting in an air-conditioned tv studio in new jersey, you definitely are. >> caked on makeup, you're out there working. we're sitting here talking off a teleprompter. you win. javers one, sullivan zero. >> reporter: i suppose. look, it's a tactic the president likes. he feels he can connect with it. the danger is he's undermining his own staff, his own legal argument and a lot of his own policies when he does this. on thursday if we see a live back and forth between comey and the president, that will be historically unprecedented. >> all right, we'll leave it there, thank you. eamon javers, in front of the white house. ceos have not been this confident in it years. kayla tausche? >> reporter: they're maintaining their confidence now. they take the temperature of about 148 ceos about their plans for the next six months and their optimism about the u.s. economy. the survey out today showed that reading is the highest since

2014 but that it's flattened since a big jump that it saw in march. on sales the group remained bullish. on at that pointcal spending they expect small increases but plans for u.s. hiring in the next six months dropped as did the outlook for the gdp growth. now they expect a flat 2% gdp growth, a decrease of 0.2%. the ceo, josh bolten from the bush white house, said the optimism is underpinned specifically by tax reform and that if that hits the skids ceos will be quick to reduce their current plans. he told reporters this morning, quote, what policymakers should take away from that is u.s. businesses remain very optimistic but there's also a potential down side from failure. that should add to the urgency with which they pursue these reforms. the survey took place between may 3 and may 24th. the president he fired then-fbi director james comey.

as you were just discussing, those are two stories that have not gone away since then. they have only dragged out. we'll see whether that in future readings continues to affect ceo confidence. >> all right, kayla, thank you very much. as kayla told you, ceos are more optimistic and want to hire more workers but oddly they seem to not be able to hire. according to the latest monthly survey more than 6 million open jobs in america right now. folks, that has never happened. last month hiring actually fell. more jobs but less pace of hiring. what is going on? bill george, senior fellow and howard schweitzer, partner at cozen o'connor. you were a ceo, i can't find skilled workers. we've also got a geography gap, millions of criminal records of people who can't get jobs.

what do we need to do under the trump administration or wherever fix it to get jobs and america growing again? >> brian, we need to train workers for the jobs of the future. 6.5 million people who can't find work are not really employable for the kinds of jobs they're looking for -- computer programmers and people who can run robots and 3d printing and all of these jobs, even service industries are going heavily to automation. and i think we need to retrain our whole workforce. i would like to see a major coalition between business and government to get together in a huge commitment, business leaders are more optimistic to go after training for 2020. some of the places have done a wonderful job. charlotte, north carolina, an apprenticeship program. we can take a lesson from the german industries. we need to train our workers for these jobs of the future and, also, let in more immigrants with visas that can fill them. right now the economy can't grow, brian, unless we have poem

to fill the jobs and we get boosted again and get this moving. i think you're at rock bottom as far as unemployment goes which is great news. now we're in full employment. let's get people trained for the jobs and we have to get to work on that. we didn't do it for eight years in the obama administration. now is the time to get moving. >> is there an issue, bill, with desire for the workforce? >> do folks that are going to be coming into the workforce want to be trained to run these automated robotics systems? how do you match up desire and what businesses need and how early do you have to start that? is this high school or way before? >> i think it is. not everyone should go to a four-year college. the vo-tech schools are fantastic places. we should be doing more from 15 and 16 looking at people who want to become plumbers and electricses, highly skilled

service workers and we can do that. i think we haven't because we haven't had that level of commitment. the economy is not going to grow. you see the expectations for growth declining. you see the job hiring expectations down 3%. every ceo can't find the people they want and frankly if they can't find them they're going to have to go overseas. move those jobs to india, china, and places like that. >> sure. >> we want our economy to grow -- >> i want to bring howard into the conversation, bill. just to sort of follow up on this whole notion at what point -- how long do we have until we figure out this problem? how long do we have? you know according to the notes i have here the trump rally has been real. we've seen a real rally, a real impact on ceo optimism. but there's a baton that needs to be passed. how long until we have to fix

this hiring program before it starts threatening growth? >> i think we need to create conditions that are conducive to growth. businesses want tax reform. business is very excited about the trump administration. public pessimism about the russia investigation and various aspects of the presidency below the surface there's a lot happening. that's the agenda at its core and there's a lot more there than meets the eye. >> putting people into places where there will be a lighter touch has a major impact. we're not seeing the things that ceo optimism is high but maybe they're not using it at this

point. >> it takes time. it takes time for the actions that washington takes or doesn't take to filter into the economy. and i have many clients that they have employees here and overseas. regulator regulatorily, they will invest here, get this economy off the slow growth path it's on and get things moving. >> going to leave it there. bill george and howard schweitzer. still ahead a bracelet that helps kids code. a startup helping to inspire the next generation of female leaders in science and math. but first a look at stocks. dom chu has the story. melissa, only a handful of stocks. we'll take you through the winners and losers from a point perfe perspective right after the break. keep it here on "power lunch." your insurance company

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guys in the driver's seat for the dow overall eight stocks like you said powering the 1,400 points the dow is up so far this year. we can show you the range we're talking about. 1,400 points like we said, 263 of them have been just apple. apple has been up a tear. also bowing responsible for that gain as well and mcdonald's rounding up the top three. the biggest drag so far from a point perspective ibm. 93 points down. we know the energy trade has been terrible and goldman sachs the biggest point detractor so far this year. a price weighted index. these are the big winners and losers so far in 2017. back over to you.

>> year to date the ten-year note is down 12%. is this a bad sign for stocks? joining us is paul christopher, at wells fargo investment institute, the president of james advantage funds. james, i'm going to give you a big oh and start out with you. if we can just get started with why you are a little bit pessimistic when it comes to what's going on in the stock market. even though we have seen the market move slowly higher and not get derailed by anything whether it's a stalled agenda in washington or what's going on around the world when it comes to terror attacks. why are you making these moves now? >> you make a great point. we're kind of lonely bears on bear island. we do our own research and it says the risks are risinging. we don't know when there will be

a peak in the market and a tumble. it looks like a tire with a bulge in it and the air will come out slow ly or a blow-out. we have high valuations. they would say 1% to 3% over the next five-year type of returns. we're seeing if we do our research, we see some very strange things. the 12 months ending march stocks that add earnings did 16% less than companies that had no earnings. so you see this thing where the quality isn't being rewarded and as we mentioned there about the dow a lot of companies are pulling the market and they're really not all the market if you look at the last three months, the s&p, the typical stock only half a percent but the index up 2 1/2. there are fewer generals out there not as many privates. we believe it's time to sell and

i was selling before i came on and i'll be after i leave the studio today. >> paul, you see a lot of this as mind over matter. psychology is important but you're able to push uncertainty to the side. what's your strategy and why do you disagree with what barry is saying about potential risk? >> look, we he also see consolidation in the s&p 500 and our year-end target up to 2330 so a 5% down side we're expecting on the psychological issues as people begin to face the prospect of higher inflation next year. we are look iing for further earnings gains this year and next year, probably the year after as well. we think the market will make new highs.

regarding the administration in congress and tax reform and those issues. >> paul, what stands out to me these are cyclical and it seems to me we're seeing a defensive bent in the market, reaches for yield through consumer staples and the bond market, growth. they don't necessarily depend on a trump tweet. facebook will grow, google will grow. are you loading up in anticipation of economic growth in the united states, something better than now? >> yes. we think we will have a modest acceleration. we do like the cyclicals going forward. we're not willing to make allowances at this point for parameters of how strong fiscal

improvement will be. base it on the economy, looking for acceleration. >> guys, thank you, paul and barry. >> thank you. >> home prices are soaring in many parts of america but is housing now finally about to hit a wall? plus the world's largest cancer conference wrapped up in chicago. there were big breakouts including this stock. that name and why it did that coming up. into my business. and i had all these points from my chase ink card. so bought ingrients, utensi, even made stom donut cutters. w! all wi points. that's w i created the ripple: the doughnut in a doughnut in doughnut. suddenly it'everywhere. i me, it really took off. what will you eate with your points? learn more about the ink business preferred card. i've got a nice long life ahead. with your points? big plans.

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welcome back. new data showing that soaring home prices may have final ly ht a wall. diane ole nick is live. >> reporter: house prices are raising at twice the rate of incomes. that could be a sign there's a limit despite the competition. home prices in april were up 6.9% year over year according to a new report out today. that's still a hefty gain but smaller than in march and february and it is lowering to just over 5%. now it's not brain surgery it's affordability plain and simple. yes, there are extremes like washington vs. connecticut, seattle in washington, home prices up 12% year over year. in connecticut they're flat year over year. jobs, a lot of jobs in seattle.

tight supply of homes for sale has been pushing prices into the red-hot zone. the supply situation is not really easing up. if you can't afford a home, then you're just going to continue to rent. sales are dropping and prices lag by a few months. we should see them even more over the summer and could more quickly it if mortgage rates actually do rise over the summer. lots more online. back to you guys. >> it's a tale of two automak s automakers. tesla up more than 60% and hitting record highs. both meetings with shareholders today. what's ahead for them and their stocks plus the number of stocks on the back of the world's biggest cancer conference. the name when we come back. tly . but we are not victims.

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herera. here is your update this hour. jeff sessions speaking on human exploitation. he pointed to a "new york times" report on rising drug overdose deaths. >> "the new york times" just had a report i saw this morning that suggests the new data it for 2016 will show 59,000 people in america died from a drug overdose and will be a factor, i believe, in child abuse. and the breakdown of families and all the destruction that comes with that. a georgia woman is behind bars accused of leaking a top-secret document about sh russian meddling in the 2016 election. 25-year-old reality winner is charged with send iing a classified report to an online media outlet. prosecutors say winter admitted she was the leaker.

and check this out, as others looked on this customer pulled a nearly 4 foot snake from inside a gas pump at a gas station in georgia. he used a shirt and the nozzle to pull a nonvenomous reptile from its hide place. he called the removal no big deal. next time you fill up your gas tank, be careful. back to you. >> you can tell it's not nonvenom nous becauous because r and the head shape. >> how do you know that? >> i was a boy scout camp counselor, don't judge. i'm giving the badges away for free. here is the other thing, exxon, put a tiger in your tank. >> there you go. >> shell, put a snake in your satchel. sue, thank you. >> things i never knew about you. >> and didn't want to and can't forget. >> only one nonvenomous.

the rest are diamond shaped. here is how your money looks. amd shares jumping. that hot new i-mac line. following earnings, eps did beat but revenue fell short of estimates and michael's company sinking. same store stores fell 1.2%. courtney, what kind of reptile knowledge? >> i'm afraid of alligators but i know how to get away from them. >> in hiohio why do you know th? >> we go on vacation in florida a lot. grew up there as a family. when i run past bodies of water, i know exactly what to do. just saying. two automakers are holding meetings, gm and tesla. phil lebeau monitoring both.

let's begin with gm. >> reporter: the green light capital proposal. most believe it will not be approved by shareholders and that's what happened today. the proposal to split shares into stocks. shareholders re-elected all of the board members not electing three candidates by green light capital. and even during the meeting itself what's going on with gm shares. it doesn't take a rocket sign ittist to figure out it has done nothing over the last five years and if you look at it has gone nowhere. the ceo was asked what she needs to do to get investors to appreciate the performance from general motors. >> i can't answer that question specifically.

i can continue to make sure we're demonstrate the bright future with tremendous growth in an area that will drive profitability as well. i believe as we continue to take steps, we'll create more proof points and i believe it will turn. >>. >> reporter: general motors is coming off two of its most profitable years ever. 2015 was its most profitable ever and yet the stock just sits there. what can we expect from tesla's shareholder meeting? a lot of excitement about what this company has to say. >> reporter: you're never sure what kind of questions will be asked. there's always one or two way out in left field but in terms of the business the thing that will get a lot of attention is what he has to say when it comes

to the model three. production will begin in july. and then deliveries are sk scheduled to begin before the end of this year. will we get an update in terms of production, expanding production in the plant. that will be the primary area of focus and that will get the most attention. >> phil, thank you. how much could the stock rally from here? if it plays out it could reach $439 a share. that's the upside from here. what i'm struggling with you still have a hold rating so how

can we recognize the two? >> fair question. it's a near term phenomenon. this has occurred from the high -- the high hundreds just six months ago and we think that can continue and we have major reservations around demand and profitability and that underpins the view. >> expectations are very low right now. it sounds like you're saying the stock will lift and gravitate. it doesn't matter what they post, the earnings reports they put up. >> that's what we're saying. we've been out talking about

softening demand where we have a nice data point where they stopped growth, validating that thesis, the response we get from investors is we don't care. we want to see the model three. >> there was a mid-sized company, not the service. the company raised rates by 30% because the cost of repairs tends to be higher. is that a real threat or is it not going to matter? >> i don't think insurance rates are meaningful driver of demand and the current stock price. at some point they're sensitive

around those types of movements and paying more because of the kind of car you buy that should be a consideration at some level. >> your cautious comments, your long-term view, brad, very fair comments. you say demand or the demand is plateauing at this point, that the answer lear business is solar. is this a call where you're having it both ways. 24% upside. i'm going to spend most of the report talking about the negatives and either way you're right. >> that is one way to characterize it. i think really again back to what underscores our more neglect it tiff view from where they're trading longer term is if and when sentiment decides to actually shift more negative on the stock, bulls won't have a defense, right. that deserves a lower multiple

and if profitability isn't there that's going to be too big of a risk in our view. >> you think it's an escalator for the stock? >> it will be very challenging if we reach that inflection. i'm certainly not suggesting itch the answers. >> a lot of people have tried to short the thing. brad, thank you very much. >> the world's biggest anti-cancer conference is wrapping up. a lot of news came out of it. however, which companies got the biggest boost from it? we don't know. meg tirrell does. >> reporter: yesterday we saw a lot of movers but we're seeing some continuation with one stock moving today that's up for a second day, blue bird bio.

they're working on a new form of immune therapy. you can see bluebird up about 10% that follows being up yesterday quite a bit as well. now therapeutics isn't moving. we did see some data for parkinson's disease. that had driven the stock up yesterday. it is getting back some of the gains. i've been asking around why that's happening, not hearing anything that would explain why they're giving back. we're watching that one as well. your attention to ptc therapeutics, a company working on a drug for a rare genetic disease. that drug has had some trouble getting through the fda but there is word today that they will have an outside panel of advisers meet to discuss that drug in september. back to you.

>> tirrell us more, because you always do. safe travels. >> that was actually funny, brian. >> actually funny, brian. on deck an rv maker named after a norse god making serious investor money. today we'll tell you why and who, a low key story. first, speaking of norris gods, to rick santelli for the bond report. rick? >> reporter: if you look at a two-day chart of tens, it's hard to imagine this morning we had the best read on job openings in the report, over $6 million. never before in this series that dates back to 2000. rates are at the lowest level on a closing basis basically since november. election time last year.

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one stock motoring higher, thor. landon dowdy is tracking it. >> better than expected results last night, the rv manufacturer posting its best third quarter ever thanks to motorized rvs.

who is buying? executives should eat the growth to new consumers, entry level buyers and they say they have optimism and while demand is good it raises the question if the firm's protection and the industry is up 160% since 2009 and is on pace to break last year's record shipment numbers. >> how many rely on low interest rates? >> it's a very good environment for that. that's why you see the millennials. they are buying the towables. they're cheaper. >> and it's a great job story, too. it's a lot of percent are made in the united states. >> yes. >> go to indiana -- >> that's where thor is.

massive labor shortage. >> in a lot of areas. >> landon, thank you. cnbc's "the prophet" is back. trying to connect with the consumer. the business has been pulled under water, outdated designs and misguided processes. >> i know you have a tendency to try to mediate the situation and defend. you can't save them all the time. what are you afraid of? >> that something will go wrong. >> what do you think will go wrong? >> they're not perfect. they make a lot of mistakes. >> what do you think will go wrong? >> i don't want them to screw up so much and i'm afraid. i'm afraid. >> listen, listen. >> i'm afraid. you don't understand. i'm afraid.

>> dramatic. "the prove it" tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern time and pacific. no word yet on mountain. the 2017 iconic tour. a closer look at a startup success story. kate? >> reporter: one of the startups is called jewel box, looking to inspirp the next generation in science, technology, engineering and math. sarah and brooke wanted to change how young people think and play. >> if we could start early, it's going to change the world. >> reporter: the co-founders of jewel bo it ts started selling their bracelets in 2016. they pair with their friends and

can be coded to change chore. >> we uploaded the code to the jewelbo it t and it changed colors. >> when you're next to one of your friends it lights up. >> reporter: the idea was born out of an experience chipps had surrounded by male colleagues. >> i was five years into my career before i worked with another woman. it was another five years before i worked with another one. i really just always wanted to change that environment. >> reporter: the duo first launched on kick starter meeting their $30,000 goal in one day. they graduated from tech stars in december 2015 and began retailing online on their own website and target.com the following year raising $1.3 million along the way. the hope is that more young girls will realize how fun coding can be. >> i think ultimately we don't want there to be a disparity between boys and girls in programming. we want just as many girls to program and get into the world of computer science and make it their career and design the products of the future.

>> reporter: they are working on placing jewelbots in retail stores for the upcoming holiday season. cnbc and "ink magazine" are bringing it all day tomorrow a. great lineup of speakers, arianna huffington, bobby brown, so much more. if you can't make it in person check out cnbc.com/iconiclive. you can watch the entire live stream there. back to you. >> great stuff as always, kate. we look forward to it, thank you. still ahead, the nba finals can draw a crowd. last time ratings were this high, bill clinton was in the white house and michael jordan was the main attraction. next another basketball legend, mag magic johnson, weighs in on the business, ratings, and even the president as we'll leave you with the worst song ever. stick around. >> opinion. your opinion. a used car,

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he weighed in on the business, ratings and much more. >> a good guy and, you know, was one of the most fun to ever watch, show time baby. we talked basketball, business and we talked donald trump as you say, so far the ratings for this finals are the highest in 19 years. last night one of the greatest players and greatest coaches ever sat down and met in a special event with american express card members. pat riley says magic johnson is the greatest player he's ever seen and when i asked magic if the warriors were the greatest team he ever played, the man with the five rings said no yet. >> right now winning one doesn't make you the best you have to win a few championships. >> magic is also busy with his new job, running the lakers'

front office and partnering a billion dollar infrastructure fund hoping for deals in a trump administration infrastructure bill which led to this. >> what do you think of president trump? >> what do i think of him? he has to find a way to bring everybody together and focus on the economy, putting people to work in our country, bringing people together in our country. the message is all over the place right, and so i would say he got to get some wins though. he's got to get some wins, because the country's sitting waiting on the president as well

as his administration to provide us with how we're going to change things and put people to work here in america. he promised a lot of things, so he's got to now deliver on those promises. >> you can see the entire interview right now on cnbc.com in clutding whether he thinks the warriors cavs can match the lakers, celtics in terms of riflery. and racial tension in this country especially after lebron's james house was vandalized. >> great job. i am curious what he had to say if you can give us a little teaser about the racial tensions still going on very much in this country even with someone as famous and well regarded as lebron james. what did magic johnson have to say about that? >> he said, i mean here in la, he said i was surprised. those were magic's words, he

said if it can happen to lebron it can happen to anybody. and it shows tensions are high and he says president trump has got to step up and say stop this. >> i think he's right too about basketball on a lighter note jean jane, because you look at the celtics back in the '60s they won eight in a row, still he's got to be impressed with the warriors. >> he said in this moment you cannot beat this team. he's a huge lebron fan, he thinks he's the best ever played. he said they've each won one championship. magic went to the finals nine years out of 12, he's got five rings. let's talk about jordan, he's got six out of seven. right now the warriors in his opinion are unbeat bl. they joust got all the tools. >> i don't want to put you on the spot jane, did you ask about lon zoe ball, do you think the

lakers are going to take the product? >> no we did not get into -- he said he knows what kind of players he wants, he's busy watching the finals instead of announcing them this year so he can learn what kind of team to build. he said fans in this town, who are not patient are going to be to be patient. and while the warriors are high all things come to an end and when they do the lakers will be ready. >> thank you. check out the rest on cnbc.com. there's one big winner that -- the ceo joins us. plus would you buy prescription drugs from amazon. we'll see what amazon's move into they farm suittal busines. i'm crazy stressed trying to figure out this complex trade so i brought in my comfort pony, warren, to help me deal. isn't thatight warren? well, you could get support from thinkorswim's in-app chat.

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hi item courtney reagan here's what's on the menu today. amazon looking to break up the multi billion dollar may pharma business. what would it do for prices. stock is it 50% this year. the ceo joins us. is the supreme court turning

the scc into a toothless tiger. "power lunch" starts right now. change by boy do we have movers in today's session, gold climbing to the highest level in search weeks. dow falls to the low. energy in the meantime -- and noble leading the gains there. macy's that stock is sinking as the gross margins could be below average. much more on that story straight ahead. president trump is going to meet with house and senate leadership at the warehouse this afternoon. sean spicer getting set to brief the press. elon. >> the white house is trying to focus attention on this legislative agenda. the legislative director led out this time line to reporters. healthcare wrapped up by june or

july. taxi reform by the fall. now as you mentioned, trump will be meeting with the republican leadership at the white house in just about an hour but even short is succeeding that the russian investigations are getting in the way of the administrative's economic prosecutor. tonight trump will have dinner with marco rubio owe and tom cotton. they'll hear testimony from james comey on thursday. that hearing is beginning to suck up all the oxygen here in washington and we're learning from "the washington post" from bob costa president trump will be live tweeting during the testimony. trump will deliver his own defense that die. sean spicer will be briefing reporters in a few minutes and see if he with preview the president east message. >> elon thank you. in the meantime, amazon's looking to break into the

pharmacy market. how big a threat could it be to the industry. let's bring in david. it's good to see you. you found something pretty ---on if it's surprising or not surprising but when you asked people if they would use the service. >> i think it's very surprising. we asked people would you use amazon pharmacy. 54% of people in a national poll said they would. >> do you have an understanding of whether or not that percentage -- how much prime overlaps with that co-hurt? >> we don't know that. we know the democratic data, older americans less likely to use it, younger americans absolutely. we want it to answer two things, first, would people use it and the answer is a resounding yes, and the second is what would be the impact. >> and what would be the impact? most people like at this like oh what t drug prices -- >> we started to ask that questions of ceos e we went out

to a few ceos and asked them what they thought, they said this is bad for generic pricing, they don't toe what they're buying when they get a generic. amazon could put a price, chose the local price and get the consumer. >> why would a amazon price be different from cv skrks. if we had had cvs mailing me the drug -- >> one of the ceos i spoke to said oh gosh i'd use it because i get a prescription by my prk bm i don't know when's it's coming i can't log in. it's a lot easier to use the interface. >> and those three things that you mentioned if i buy a toy from amazon, drugs are probably going through a pbm are they not, so the model is less amazon bl perhaps. >> that was sort of the point of

my question? >> maybe. the first part -- >> you didn't say less amazon bl. >> that's true i avoided that. >> i will be trademarking that right now. the first question is do they want to do this. in they want to they can buy a pbm, or buy a national chain mail order pharmacy. i spoke to an internet analyst wobs if they wanted to lose a couple billion dollars a year to get into this they're of the scale they can do this. >> some analyst put out a note say yeah, acquisitions would be easy. i don't see pbm moving that much. >> buildings pretty easy too everyone says it's difficult. it's difficult if you and i -- >> fda, regulation, the regulatory frame work you can just start a pbm? >> no. those are money challenges,

those are things like i can't hire the talent. if you were working on pbm and you got something -- i think you jump at that chance. >> so the bottom line is it is a risk to the pbms? >> i don't cover that sector, a risks to the generic pricing, absolutely. i don't see how it's good news for them. >> david thank you. deidra, she has a news alert on google. what's going on now? >> we been anticipating this report to company culture for a while now. there seems to be two going on, an internal report and of course the independent holder report. today we knew uber's conducted an all-hands meeting. reports are studying that uber employees are leaking some of those changes, there have been at least 20 terminations we believe as a result of this internal investigation, this is

according to reports. we are still awaiting this in dependent holder report, it's being led by the former rg holder. that was suppose to come out today or yesterday but we're hearing it has been delayed. but so far the changes are yurnd way at this company that has been plagued by multiple crises since the beginning of this year. from these leaked sources, 20 terminations have happened as a result. we'll update you when we have more, we're awaiting comment from the company as well. >> any order or idea as to how high in terms of the structure the 20, fired people go? >> we don't know yet melissa. we're look at some names in the company, very high up executive names that could be on the chopping board just because of their previous dealings and vochlts and crises and controversies at the company. right now we don't know who these employees are and what levels they come from. >> it's hard to know how many

employees they have because they are private. capital iq list about 6700 employees but i don't know if that counts the driver. we don't know how many of these are in the headquarters. any idea how big the nondriver staff is at all? >> well, we know it has been growing very very quickly, that 6700 number seems very low to me. in san francisco it would be at least that i believe. drivers certainly are another matter. there are many many, they wouldn't be affected by these changers. uber has been trying to keep drivers on for longer. in terms of employees we'll get back to you on that. they do have a number out there at least an proximate one. there is massive changes going on. 20 employees isn't a lot but it depends on who they are and what level they are. >> we're waiting for that report into uber. we don't have any idea when that's going to be coming

deidra? >> it was supposed to be monday or tuesday that's what we were told. there has been reports that it has been delayed, we're still told it could be this week. we're awaiting that and looking for more detail. remember, this -- what we are getting right noe from these multiple reports 20 employees have been terminated. this may employ from the internal investigation, if so looked like uber is acting ahead of that pending report. -- so certainly there could be many more changes on the way. >> i can't -- i can't think melissa, courtney or deidra of a company that's had so much negative news flow in a short window of time, i wonder deidra is there any indication that this has hurt their business? maybe we should ask the audience. is there any indication people are saying you know what, i don't like uber the company, i'm going to use lift, or via or get

or one of the companies. >> certainly you do hear evidence about that especially with the delete uber campaign earlier this year. we look at credit card trans actions to see how much uber's pulling in versus lift. they calculate differently but what this tells us is it doesn't hit uber's business in a big way. just about a week ago it shows us while uber continues to lose a lot of money it's losing money less quickly and it is growing its revenue. so why -- this is a lot of bad press for uber and the ways it could reflect the company like things like -- he hasn't found that yet and you have to wonder why they're all at these crises are hindering that. >> thank you very much deidra appreciate it. three big stories in retail,

macy's investor stepping down and amazon discounting prime. let's start with macy's because that stock is down more than 7%. the retailer lowering it's growth margin forecast after deeper results plan to clear some holiday merchandise. macy's also sell beauty bruks and watches which are selling at a lower profit. jan, i listened in it was 2.5 hours or so when we were taken through the north strategy that macy's was going through. what i thought was interesting was his discussion about pricing. he said look, macy's is going to continue to be a punishment -- we haven't gotten credit for our good prices. what do you think of that? >> i think he's right. that's going to help us get more business in the story, drive more traffic, it'll help us set

a price and then we can also talk to the customer better because they're doing a lot more digital,less imprint and they want to convince the customer that what you're getting here is a deal. they don't want the deal to be so egregious where the venders hate it. i thought everything they said was extremely convincing and positive except for the current gross margin problem and that's all you're seeing in the stock price. i think everything else everybody heard at that meeting they took as a positive. they're going to be doing retail 101 better than they were. they got strategies that sound like they'll work. they'll going to be able to drive business back stalk. once you say gee, we're changing or guidance on gross margins that's going to be a big problem. >> if they're saying gross margins are going to be lower and lower are they anticipating they're going to about b able to make it up on volume.

something's got to give right? >> they basically told us business will get better ever quarter of year this year and it will get better on traffic and on profitability. they're basically saying, yes, we're going to be doing things that work. >> quickly before we move on, the stock is down 38% this year. there was talk months ago that suter's may be interested. do you think this make it is company a likely take over company this stock decline, or are things bad enough where potential buyers are like, nope that's not what i want? >> no i don't believe that. if you're down 7% today, you're 7% more interesting than you were yesterday. if you're down 38% -- >> because the real estate value -- >> hasn't changed at all. we also saw big changes with jay crew. still own 10 and the retailer

has been running the retail for a while now. jay crew is not what it use to be unfortunately, they got out in front of their squeeze when it comes to the pricing and now they've got a lot of debt. they've been taking on the debt because of the way they're structured in this buy-out. what kind of channllenge does j have here? >> i look -- >> but he hasn't -- >> you get my point. what are we going to do with jay crew to make this work. the prices are tougher, they're highly levered. there's nothing there that i see them doing that micky count be doing. >> in my opinion they forget their customer. jay crew use to be preppy with a little bit of the barn jacket and now they've gotten -- killed the barn jacket.

>> barn jackets are for from 20 years ago. >> i'm from 20 years ago. >> you goat me -- >> hold on let me ask a quest n question -- you don't laugh. >> i think -- >> it's something that -- >> you get my point. >> they did it. >> i'm going to bring my barn jacket in tomorrow. >> jenna lions was really the one that was driving that and she -- >> she got booted. >> while they were able to perhaps bring in some new customers, some of fashion that they introduced cost them more to make and these prices went higher and higher. >> they just didn't catch on. and i don't think there's a reason for it to catch on because right now we're looking at fast fashion, we're looking at price, plenty of competition, what is it that jay crew brings to that party? i don't see it. there's nothing there there. >> right. we're going to keep watching --

>> barn jacket -- >> get out of here. amazon is offering discount for multi prime membership for those on food stamps. $27 per year versus $99 for the full year prime amazon price. okay jan, is this a direct hit at walmart? is that what amazon's doing here? >> i was shock shocked to find out they were going to discount prime. it's a direct shot at walmart. walmart's been pushing them right along they've been cheaper on delivery. they're doing all the thing to bring that customer in. amazon goes, wait a minute that's my customer. we need them here because we got all the customers. they got 99 in the prime now and want everybody on it. so yeah they're going to do what ever they have to do to bring that in. i'm not surprised at all discounting prime memberships. >> $72 is still not nothing for

a lot of folks. >> i have the same question, i'm not sure if that's going to bring that customer in versus walmart. >> but you also get the streaming and for the household spending money on streaming you can stream on. >> but what's the down side. >> somebody wrote in, he still got his barn jacket but you got to be 65 ff and way 180 pounds to where their stuff. i agree. this skinny stuff has to go. have you gone around america lately, the super skinny thing. stop. nothing wrong with being husky. >> i'm going to leave the husky comments to brian. >> thank you jan. here's what's coming up on "power lunch" we'll talk to a ceo stand to gain big time from

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tooth functionality. apple highlighted specifically the decks conn glucose monitoring system which would send glucose information directly to the watch. let's bring in the ceo of decks conn, kevin sayer. good to have you with us. you had a conversation with apple before, can you explain what's new? >> certainly, right now our continuous glue coast monitoring system transmit a blue tooth system that's picked up by the iphone so patients with view their information on the iphone and it can be shared with others. right now the way the watch works with our system the iphone can send a signal to the watch through an iphone on the watch and it can be himmiced there. what the iphone does -- designed

this transmitter to be able to communicate with two devices at the same time. so our transmitter can go directly to the watch. if you're a runner and want to go on a run and need to monitor your glucose values while you're doing intense exercise, you can leave your phone home and see the values on the watch and have that information while your train. in a business meeting same thing, if someone doesn't want their phone but need to check their glucose values they can look at that watch and get the answer. >> so basically, currently most people who use the watch need the phone but this circumvents for those instances where you don't want to carry your phone but you have your watch and you still need to be on top of your glucose levels. >> it makes this more accessible. the more accessible the information is the healthier they are, and the better their

diabetes are control. >> why apple and not fidbit or could other partnerships in the future be in the works? >> we've had partnerships with several entities over a number of years, for example our data has been displayed on insulin pumps manufactured by others. our first pass with the iphone and with the io s system was because it's very advanced and very secure. apple has been wonderful to work with as far as the developing efforts and getting there. and our company has grown 50% a year over the past several years, taking on apple as the first project made a lot of sense to us. we'll have other platforms but apple is our core place where our data's villagealized -- >> are you getting a sense that more customers are buying your monitors because you know what, hey i can use an apple watch with it and that's pretty convenient? >> i think other time that will

get her patients to use our system. convenience lead to better outcomes and we want the patients to make that decision because of that absolutely. >> a positive response from the doctor community? kevin are you getting a big response from the community of physicians? >> the physicians like it. for the watch they haven't picked up on the watch angle because that came out yesterday, but we've had positive responses from physicians with our apple relationship. not only with the data displayed on the phone but we have teaches in -- features in our operating system whereby that data can be shared with others. for our population kids with k go to school and the parents with see the data at home while they're in class or on the playground and may need to intervene if something negative is happening. so physicians have been very helpful and adopted our wireless

connect tifts and visual outcomes. >> thank you kevin for joining us. a ruling coming down from the supreme court that could have major implications on wall street. plus two companies that has nothing in common except the great couch and they're both in "street talk." ♪ .

the supreme court ruling against the scc liming it's power to crawl back illegal profits in firms. the court found out are subject to a five year statute of limitations. how might this impact wall street. joining us is mark powers. guys thank you very much for joining us. jake, why do you disagree with this decision? >> this decision is a disaster for investors who are victims of fraud and schemes like madoff. the message is court is sending is duck the scc for five years, you're out in the clear, you can

keep your ill gotten gains. it's bad policy and bad law. >> mark, you agree with the decision, why? >> well, first of all, you know let's keep in mind the scc goes for -- which is what this case deals with. it really is saying you're going to return money that somehow --. the money that jake was dissuggesting that would not be valuable for the victims is not the case. a lot of times in many many cases that money goes into u.s. treasure. the reason why i totally agree with this decision and why i'm glad the supreme court has reigned in the scc for five years now and for the second time, we need to get the s c c bring cases seener. they need to bring cases where people can sleep at night after a period of time and feel the government is not coming after them 20 years later. this case that was brought was activity going all the way back

to 1997 and it wouldn't brought until 2009. there should be some obligation on the goth to bring cases quickly. >> le wants people like madoff to be able to sleep at night. what these guys do is it take years to hide the fraud. madoff, people like that are very good at hiding the money and disguising the fraud. the trump administration has gutted the scc, they are fewer attorneys, fewer resources, they're not going to be able to catch any of this. this is a decision helping the bad guys, something has to change, somebody's has to look out for investors, it's wrong and should be reversed. >> mark? >> that's just not the case at all. i'm a former scc enforcement attorney so i have nothing but respect for that organization and i care about going after wrong doers. but at the same time, even

justice sew toe mayor would consider -- even wrong doers can sleep at night and their sins have been forgotten. the remedy the scc is creating and seeking is something in the form of a penalty. and the statute that's on the books for two centuries says the government may not go after people for fines. it's not about hurting investors it's about doing the right thing and just for the government and what -- >> so -- >> okay hey guys you both made your points. jake i'd like you to bring this back to your audience, people that are not scc attorneys, why do they care? how might this impact the cnbc viewer? >> right now a cnbc viewer can be a victim of fraud by a

corporation that could be in a stock where there's a fraud. we could only go back five years, they could have a financial adviser, many of people that come to me have financial advisers hiding, stealing and putting things in an outside account. people have to look at their monthly statement, if they see there's a problem call an attorney. after five years their off the hook, you can't go after these people it's really a bad decision. >> that's not at all what the supreme court decision is finding. the supreme court decision is limited to cases by the s c c or government itself. it has no affect upon class actions, it has no affect upon private party plaintiff lawsuit such as the people that jake generally represents. >> guys this is what lawyers do. it was a very polite, well-grounded disagreement. we need more of this in the country. you guys were very polite to each other we appreciate that

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hi everybody i'm sue herrera here's your cnbc news update at this hour. the trump administration is calling for reform on the u.n. human rights counsel to eliminate what it calls chronic anti-israel buyers. nikki haley passed along the address during her visit to geneva. it's hard to help this council has never considered -- on venezuela and it adopted five bias -- israel. it is essential that this counsel address its chronic anti-israel bias if it is to have any credibility. here at home, the cdc is calling attention to some troubling problems in the healthcare facility. 16 reported healthcare associated of a disease.

one quarter of people who are infected in a healthcare facility died from the disease. on a much happier note, george and annual clooney are the parents of twin. the twins were welcomed this morning in the hospital they were happy healthy and doing fine. no pictures of babies yet. that's the news update at this hour, courtney back to you. >> shoots i was hoping they had -- >> yeah the publy cyst hasn't released it yet. >> now on the kayla. >> hay courtney. a few minutes ago we saw a news conference between circumstance of commerce wilbur ross announcing deals have been reaches over a year of talks of sugar. there are various terms of the deal that was hammer out until the last minute.

it deals with price, the purity of the sugar whether it's raw or refined, the share ochoa of the countries are allowed to trade back and forth. it's a complicated deal but it's symbolic in the fact it's seen as a precurser as two countries move to nasa over the last several months. guys. >> all right kayla brings us that breaking news. thank you very much. time for "street talk," the daily dose of stock opportunity. >> raising the price target on netflix. goes from 190 to 165. the analyst reiterating the range with the higher international stringer. the domestic broad band penetration in the u.s. is slower international penetration is still less than 6% and that suggested a long run way for growth. stock two is hard hormel.

the city analyst has hormel has the least amount of exposure. it's called a pioneer in protein based food. they got a $38 target, 10% upside by hey it's spam. >> third stock uber, the cancer conference, this was mentioned. the drug is bb 12121, 15 patients treated with the drug and reported a study, 3 fourrti of those had a positive response. >> your final stock, this one is possession car, $22 billion truck maker. a bost from 75 to 66. expect earnings on the up side

of the next year. the truck aids are up 20% of the year. truck markets are stabilizing. $75 target on pa car. pcar on the up side. we had a -- yesterday or friday? >> no it wasn't friday because i wasn't here. >> was it yesterday? >> i believe so. in the past month the dows has had a slow and steady climb by gold is up. why is money moving up for gold and what it means to the market. coming up on "trading nation."

trading nation today let's trade gold. rising to its highest level since election night. rich, chart it for us. do you think gold is going higher or lower? >> looks like it's going higher.

keep in mind 12% year to date, down 12% versus year to date and when you pull up the chart it suggests yields goes lower. that's bullish, the 15 crossing back above the 200. that sets us up for higher levels. one is that head and shoulders bottom, leaning to the right, but can be equally as effective to the upside. we see the nice bullish semi century with the set up last year. we bought it in december, a pull back in may then a strong move through may through the fourth of july. i'd like gold to move higher here. >> matt do you agree with that bullish degree on gold? >> i do. we've made a series of higher

highs and lower lows. if we can break out and indeed make another higher high that should shoot us a lot higher. two of the reasons i look for this is the sentiment and positionally hasn't gotten extreme yet. we have sentiment among future traders up to 71% bullishness in gold. more importantly, you look at the cot data, the cot of traders data it shows the speck later that are usually wrong, the positions are nowhere near where they were last summer when gold made a top and rolled over and fell down 17%. in fact it's bmw 60% lower. if we breakthrough this 100 level i think 75 is a goat target here as rich said, as we get into the july time frame because that's the high from last year. the all-time high is from 2011.

>> double bullish view on bold. matt and rich thank you very much. for more "trading nation" go to our website, tradingnation.cncb.com. which invest for your stocks the answer might surprise you. "power lunch" will be right back. hi i'm joan lunden.

the kind of stocks the company owns is depend on how it uses the mark. erick joins us to explain the fundamentals and the quads and what they own. >> are there certain stocks that quad favor more than fundamental shocks and vice versa. the information was surprising. consider the names like visa,

master cards, facebook, price line and starbucks, those stocks are to be owned by fundamentally driven managers with no love from quad shops. let's look at it the other are quad funds relatively speaking, what stands out here, quant funds are not drawn to big brand. they stick to the smaller firms instead. and while they focus on the stocks that fit your computer models, experts think managers have to convince clients with a good story and owning top sectors like facebook is an easy conversation to have. >> down to the tax, which one performs better? >> so far this year, we've seen the fundamental guys outperform the quant funds. they churn twice as fast. >> right. >> in and out quicker. >> interesting, thank you very much. >> you got it. and so what is the better

approach for you being at home? what stocks do you get there? so what's your opinion? you heard eric's thesis based on data. what's better, quant fundamental in. >> rage against the machine because we're fundamental investors, and what happened with the quant deal, it was thee sexy trade right after the rack because analysts, strategists, managers, economists all lost faith in analysts on wall street because of the lofty projections, and what happens is we start making our own models and looking at growth things, remember, and then quant became the rage. we didn't want to be wrong, we wanted to be right. they underperformed last year because it was about being in the right fundamentals going

forward. that's why they underperformed this year. you have to look at longer term time frames. i believe earnings and fundamentals drive stocks longer term. >> what's going on now in the market? granted, we don't have a lot of action today in equities, slightly lower, but we've been strong, the dow up 7% this year, but we know folks buy bonds because yields fall. what's going on there? >> nothing. there's nothing going on in the market. i mean, markets have flattened out -- >> hey, hanks. >> i know you have to create buzz every day, but the market is finding the zone where there's not a lot of going on. there's no leadership. everyone is convinced that we are in a growth market against -- we buy the same stocks, apple, google, facebook -- >> buying stocks, bonds, and gold? >> no convection in the market place, zero. >> that's right at the macro level, but i disagree about no leadership. isn't the problem, as i -- there's too much narrow leadership? six stocks that run the whole thing. >> call it very con finded

leadership in the overall markets, so, for instance -- >> make you nervous? >> very. >> what if facebook, google, amazon rolls over, what if quants are overvalued. >> rage against the machine, right? do the work. we wrote a piece on consumer discretionary last week talking about that amazon is 400 basis points of the entire performance of the consumer discretionary sector. take amazon out, it's under performing the market. >> that's important. literally, amazon itself has made an entire consumer discretionary sector look like it's doing better than it is? >> year to date, up 7%, but x-amazon, it's another story. >> correct. >> that's what i'm talking about. it's skewed. distorts. >> that's why, again, you have to rage against the machine and do the work and do analysis. do a deeper sector and stocks you want to own, and when the market gives you the opportunity to buy them cheaper, buy them.

at these levels, concentrated performance in the facebook machine and google machine and apple machine, you take a little off the table and try to find areas that we think longer term are the place to be, which are more economically sensitive, more towards american and north america leading the way. >> the faangs of the world, theseidiosyncratic. it's going to grow. they are insulated more than, say, i don't know some industrials. >> i know. just think about what you said. isn't that scary? >> why? that's defensive, names are more defensive. >> meaning our argument -- it's a great -- it's a great point, but our argument is these stocks are not tech stocks, but consumer staple stocks, right? >> right. there's a bid for defensive names in the market. >> like costco, really not a staple, but a resource, whatever, but we need the names that are going to be kind of

bullet proof, and people are so convinced these socks are the place to be. that makes me nervous short term. longer term, no denying. we want our investors to have exposure to the names. just think it's a little overdone with everybody loving these stocks. >> like my worry is the quants bring us up, they'll bring us down. >> exactly right. >> very interesting. thank you so much, brian. >> thank you. >> thank you for joining us here today. >> that was definitely terrifying. serious stuff. check please is next. if you have medicare

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white house press secretary spicer holding the daily briefing now, and moments ago, eamon asked what the president is doing thursday during former fbi director's testimony. a reference to the report that the president is live tweeting during the testimony. >> can you tell us where the president's going to be and what east doing thursday at 10:00 a.m.? is he going to watch former director comey's testimony up on capitol hill? >> the president's got a full day on thursday. there's an infrastructure meeting with mayors and governors to talk about what we just -- some of the projects, public-private partnership i discussed, giving a speech midday to the faith and freedom coalition downtown. there's going to be a very busy day as all the days are. look, as i just said, president's going to have a very, very busy day, as he does all the time, focus is pursuing the agenda and priorities he was

elected to do. >> was that a yes he would be tweeting? left the door open, he's busy -- >> no way he's not in my personal opinion. >> we'll watch carefully. >> you ignore them and move on. >> exactly. take the high road. as for check please, i'm watching bitcoin, a new high today, billionaire investor mark cuban said it's not a bubble. levels backed off a touch, but this is an under the radar play, the chip maker, amd, the cards are x-500 series can be used to mine bitcoins. there's a pop on that in addition to news yesterday the processor is the new line of apple imacs. watch that. >> analyst meeting held in four years, question about amazon, macy's ceo saying, look, macy's and amazon can coexist.

a serious note on facebook, you know, 6 million people felony convictions in the country, wonder where there's not job growth? make it ease year for people to get jobs. did something 20 years ago, served the time, you should be able to go back to work. >> thank you for watching. >> closing bell starts right now. ♪ hi, everybody, welcome to closing bell. i'm kelly evans at the new york stock exchange. >> i'm bill griffeth. ceo confidence hit the highest level in three years. hopes for the president's pro-growth agenda still high, details of the new survey from the business round table coming up in a little bit here. >> it's really bitcoin's and bonds, i mean, those are the two big stories in the market today. we'll have more on that later. both rallying, by the w