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there. amazon, a lot of these industries, you know what's going to happen. tesla versus ford and general motor. huge shifts in value sfwl can they reinvent themselves as brands >> they can, but it's about shrinking, which they're not used to doing. investors. those are classy value trends. trap, trap, trap >> thank you guys both have a great weekend "fast money" starts now. "fast money" starts now. live from the nasdaq market site, this is fast money your traders are -- we are waiting comments from president trump who's about to meet with u.s. ambassador to the u.n. and rex tiller son about the story that has driven the markets all week, the escalating tensions from north korea it was two words from president trump himself that took stocks down this week fire and fury. sending shutters across the market surging 55% to its highest level
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of the year while the s&p and dow had their worst weeks since march. the index is down more than 2% from the high. we've seen these moves before and they have proven to be buying opportunities, but is this time different? grasso >> no, i don't think it's different. we've seen this before we've seen support levels come in i think that the biggest risk basically to the market what is his rhetoric we've seen that be just rhetoric, not action i don't think anyone thinks that professionals, don't think that we're going to war and i think the fact that china and russia -- >> professional whats? >> military experts. i wouldn't put any stock on the desk as to whether we're going to war, but if you have china and russia going out against us, you've seen them behind us, that is what makes me feel more optic and think it's more of a buying opportunity versus anything. >> yeah, i think as steve points
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out, he's had an opportunity to buy any of this. we haven't really had a north korea es calation before of thi magnitude because of the players involved there's tno question it's a con back to markets and what is this going to do to your position in apple. nothing. i don't think this is going to change the spectrum of both worlds, if you think china gets pulled in and if you think this is world war 6, but i don't think that's where this is going to go. that is clearly where the market starts to take a play from being totally complacent a week ago to having to deal with the uncertaintie uncertainties. >> it's a 2% decline it's massive and it is, in context of the fact we've had zero volatility. but it's really just a 2% decline. this is barely even a pullback in normal markets, you might not ooempb be talking about it but for me, i don't think this, i still, i said last night, i don't think this is one day event. i don't think the it's a one day event. i think u you have some working out to do.
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on the economic front, one thing on my radar is what's going on in europe. you have seen those indices come down as the euro has gone higher and one of the reasons why the u.s. stock market has remain resilient is because money's comeing back here. so that may keep a bid in the u.s. mark. >> one thing i said on friday afternoon, i'm surprised the vix which was up 40% yesterday was down you know, a few percent today. that to me is interesting because usually, the vix would price in a weekend where there's no trading and it would be down a little bit any way just tells me that traders are on edge still and i agree with you. that the s&p, 13%, that's it i don't think there's been any panic whatsoever i thought yesterday was orderly other than the vix when you look at treasury, the fact that you know, the ten-year yield, you know, but again, treasury stayed big, so there's stuff other than equities that i
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think makes sense to keep an eye on and at some point, we haven't had more than a 3.5% drawdown all year long. it's going to happen i don't know what the reason is going to be, but it's going to happen >> just don't want it to be in a, what's playing out in north korea, but what i would point out is the s&p is now below 50 hasn't been below the 50 or hasn't traded below the 50 for four, five successive tas. see what happens next week we're talking about a breakdown in transports, industrials there are a lot of technical signals i'm sure guys like carter come on all the time. so, you can't tell me that the north korea is the event that the markets didn't expect that was a catalyst that has nothing to do but in the end, we were breaking down in certain parts of the market that's something we'll break sideways to lower. i agree, but that day when we heard the comments on president trump was the real data when you saw the markets give back, so i think they were looking for a
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reason to sell off and i think they got one but to everyone's point, this is not a real sell off yet. we haven't seen where the real sell off is and every time we're below the 15 day >> so, let me get this straight, you don't think this dip was deep enough to buy the dip not looking to sell either >> right >> exactly >> until proven different. listen, you can have this escalation of north korea, but for now, it's rhetoric, so as an investor, you have to treat it as that. >> more fear of missing out to the upside than losing to the downside at this point ju 2% why not risk a lot >> probably about 40% cash at this point, but i'm not ready to redeploy that cash when it feels really panicy and everybody is run ining around wh the hair fair. >> what id did it feel like? >> when i do it, it doesn't feel so good. i did it before the show
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appreciate that. >> i actually did some buying today. emerging markets sold off 4% quickly. underperformed the s&p i think that trade reverses even though the obvious central point of this south korea is 15% of the index. you had a lot of asia that's had a big run. >> our next guest calls the pullback, but is buying the dip? equities strategist is back with us tony, good to see you. so, why is this dip deep enough buy? the same as every other? >> i'm with the guys i don't think it is quite yet. you don't have, you had the vix bounce off that was kind of good. the percentage of stocks have come down, so truly, we wrote a note we're going to highlight when i got trump the last time always called the nagging feeling, because every client that i talk to as this nagging feeling that something's wrong that was written three weeks ago so, that had nothing to do with
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north korea. this is all about a market looking for an excuse to sell off a natural and normal healthy correction which is only ta way until you get it then you run around with your hair on fire unless you're me. >> happened to you the last t e time >> happened once >> a long time ago, my friend. here's a stat for you from my stats guy. when vix goes up 40% in a single day, you've never been higher on volati volatility a month later s&p is up 11 of 14 occurrences with a 2.9% average gain >> so we're at 15.5 or so, so that period later, we are not going to be at 15. >> we're going to be lower and you're going to have a higher s&p. i think we're all talking about the wrong thing. kre corrections are are natural, normal and healthy what causes a 5% versus a 6%
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viewers think from all corrections in nonrecession environment, it comes county down to the perception if you're going to have a recession. when china saw a huge outknow of money and were in a commodity crisis, you think that's going to drag us into a recession. there's nothing in the backdrop. obviously, north korea, that's a different story. absent that, there's nothing in the global backdrop saying hey, we're going to have a recession. >> so, today's action was interesting because we sort of held on. apple recooped from yesterday's session. what are some that you think are due for that swing trade back to where we were the day before yesterday? >> i think the thing that we're going to have in the second half and going forward is going to be a progrowth versus slow growth trade. there's a bid for tech over the first half of this year and even now. you know there's growth this tech, so you put your money
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there. the bond surrogate trade is a slow or no growth trade. frds there is a pick up in capital spending that's going to accelerate and you're going to get a rotation out of growth and into the value fangs, industrial, industrial materials and even god forbid a little energy. >> so, when you look at earnings analysis, you see their post earpings report price action and to me when you look at that, it seems like the quantities. it's the companies that beat, didn't perform well after the fact does that make your change your stance >> it doesn't. i think it has more to do with yes, the passive investing is a monster. i'm very familiar with it. however, i think this is more about a market that already ran up in anticipation of the
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profits and the profits were fantastic. if you take ge, which had nonrecuring items last year, you had 13% earnings this quarter you had 5% top line growth gdp is going to be 3.8% for the third quarter. you're seeing the spending move and we can choose to ignore it or not that's how this ends badly because all of a sudden, you get a rejuve nation, acceleration in the u.s. what are you going to get? better growth and eventually, a shutdown of credit, but that's years away >> thanks. >> thank you very much >> for me, i really wanted to see this market sell off in the morning. that to me would have been the buy signal so i'm still waiting for this thing. maybe monday morning, we open up i might sell more on monday morning. we open up higher. >> again, we are awaiting the president, so he could say something that could put us back on edge. >> i want to disagree with these
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gois about what was the spark that got this going. we were apt new highs on tuesday afternoon then down 2% in the s&p 500. one of the things i find disturb ing as an investor and they should be focused on this. all year long, we talked about gridlock in washington even though there's been a lot of chaos, it wasn't a problem this situation here is one u of the most dangerous geopolitical situations we've been in for a long tile. it's self-inflicted. this guy doesn't really thougsh the president. he dialed up the rhetoric. say we didn't react the way we were there's reports we've been back channelling in north korea for months now let diplomacy go why dial up the rhetoric this way. it makes no sense and it's the sort of that i think this gets citizens on edge investors on edge. >> i think we've seen this before bill clinton back in the '90s. said if north korea does something stupid, their country will cease to exist. i don't know how that's different than fire and fury zpl it's the context
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i hate to say that and i'm being apolitical when i say that >> we've been here for years >> coming up, coming up, kohl's surging this week as stocksab stocksabled. one trader will tell us how to play it. plus, snap tanking today, but it was an awkward moment between the ceo and rich greenfield on the conference call. we'll bring you the cringe worthy comments and carter worth sees trouble in the charts for one of the so-called amazon retailers. he'll break it down. much more after this [brother] any last words? [boy] karma, danny... ...karma! [vo] progress is seizing the moment. your summer moment awaits you, now that the summer of audi sales event is here. audi will cover your first month's lease payment on select models during the summer of audi sales event.
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reliant on push notifications have sort of relaxed the standards there. i think it's important for our business >> thank you next question is from mark -- >> i didn't even understand his -- okay. thanks >> btig commenti ining quote, te comment was not intended to be heard on the call as they had already introduce d the next company. however, it is clear nobody understands what is and what is not growth hacking a number of analysts have been critical of sthap, quote, the company has a suboptimal team lacking experience transforming a successful new product into a successful company, but on the other hand, compliments him for changes. saying he was much more engaged
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with wall street and that snap's messaging about being the best place for advertisers to reach young people on smart phones was a positive improvement from a camera company, which was last quarter. despite that, does have an underperform rating on the stock. melissa. >> thank you very much so, does he need to bring in a cheryl sandburg kind of person to help the company communicate? they've had issues how they're perceived on conference calls. >> you talk to investors, i don't think investors who believe in story, a lot of people think that -- >> wow that is quite a slam >> eagle >> is the sort of chronic -- jack was back in the day they have good, talented people to run the business. say look at adam he ran a business not too different. would he be fannic guy to add to those?
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yeah, this is not a huge company right now. they need to advance the theme that this is get away from the camera stuff really talk about products, new product. how they're moving forward with some of the copy cat stuff that is hurting them now. i think the story could change if we saw releracceleration in users. >> like the blend us feature hot dog. >> exactly >> but i think that the problem. >> and that those kinds of features, they keep people more engaged. people spend ten more minutes engaged in the app than in the previous quarter >> you've heard these things about mark zuckerberg. that is a fantastic hot dog. >> we talk about various entry and what all the companies can do seems to me like this is not a real barrier to entry.
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having said that, you hadfreudin slip there with a short interest, yes, it is susceptible to a bounce higher, spook the shorts out of the name, but i don't see a real incentive. daily active users they've got those. still ahead, disney posting its workweek in more than a year after they said they would pull all conflict you're watching cnbc in the meantime, here's what else is coming up on fast. >> there's no place like home. there's no place like home >> and that certainly is true of soaring home depot shares. until now. we break it down plus, it's the question gripping the nation >> to be or not to be.
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>> no. bitcoin or -- and mr. bk will break it down when "fast money" returns.
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bitcoin surging nearly 4%
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today hitting a new high of 35.38. the currency continues to captivate investors as interest has grown over the past few months it's also been a hot topic among twitter followers. one question that keeps popping up is what is the difference between bitcoin and -- bk is here and he's going to break it all down our new segment, the more you know about bitcoin >> i love the theme music. so, everybody wants to know, should i buy bit county, etherum. let's look at the deaf rinsfere. bit county is a currency i want to send one to melissa, fantastic. but what if i want to do something a little more complicated. what if i want to say if melissa mows the lawn, then i will send her one bitcoin. that is going to take something like etherreum that allows you
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to program the money what's a smart contract? simply, pretend you rented an pormt with a smart lock on it. so, you now, if you pay your rent, the lock will open that's what you can do with it you can build on top of that, so, it has a lot more capabilities at that point in time than bitcoin does and that's the difference. i think they both can exist together there's a need for both. but ethereum has a lot more to do that's the next chart that we have and if you look at them, here's what's interesting orange line, bitcoin, blue line. they have been highly correlated for most of the year except for this last portion here two things are happening here, remember, we talked about the software upgrade it ripped. there have been a a lot of initial offerings and those coin
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offerings are starting to sell some is only up 45%, so the opportunity here is you want to buy it, you can still hold your bitcoin, but be overweight with the idea it's going to get closer to the market cap and maybe even take over z>> so, i have a question about the contract aspect of it. when you're doing something conditional like if i mow the lawn, you send me bitcoin, what's the point of using it because you're going to input that i mowed the lawn, so in a more complex transaction, would it be more like if something, if a stock hit a price, you only pay this because i'm going to buy it >> what you use is an oracle if the stock closes. >> got it. >> i just want to make one point. do you sign any value to the
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fact pha if you took the market cap what does that mean to you in a risk environment? we talk about gold using this sort of thing. you go back to the work tom lee did. if bitcoin -- >> thanks for that >> my pleasure here this weekend, kicks off national stucco day. assuming we don't have nuclear war, our traders are serving you stocks to raise a glass to tim? >> you've got to go with the big daddy who's in the crest of the global spirits i am long. >> grasso. >> car, it has sold off drastically. >> bk. >> gdx, gold >> bud america's beer
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it was a wild week for the markets. the guys are getting ready behind me. here's what's coming up on the show >> i love gold >> after the week gold just had, there's much to love and there's something in the charts that suggest it's going to get even better plus, it's the question traders dare not ask >> is there anything you can tell us about what may have happened last night? >> no, not that question they want to know if it's time to short home depot. we've got the answer and how would you like t

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