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surface. the entire story is being told underneath the surface >> yeah, you've got to look below the surface. >> that's your vix below 10 story. >> thank you, mike real. that does it for "closing bell." "fast money" does begin right now. "fast money" starts right now. overlooking new york city's times square, your traders a ere here crude to the highest level in than two years the top technician says the rally has just started you could be buys this chip rip. >> and attack of the shack shake shack out with a new item, but will it heat up sales?
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first we start with one of the most important deals in media history. disney has been holding talks to buy some of the largest assets of 21st century fox. our own david faber broke the story today. david has more on the developing story. they may be emboldened to reengage there was a lot more yet to go, and they are not holding them at this very present moment it was unclear as to exactly why they had halted the conversations that, as you indicated, had led towards the potential deal under which disney would have bought many, but certainly not all of the assets of fox. in fact would not have bot many
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of the key cash-producing assets of the company, what would have been kept and what would be kept under fox if and when they talks are revisited, what would be on the right of your screen fox sports, which cannot be merged with espn in part because of the antitrust concerns. fox news, fox broadcast network. many are the cash flow, did you what disney would have conceivably ball is also large, involving international business, moor on that, star in india. you're also talking about nat geo, the capable network fx and most importantly the tv and movie production studios, which would be used kernel by disney, to help even make larger and more robust the to consumer marketing. so we'll see where this goes
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from here, but certainly they have to be watching what has been a very positive reaction in the marketplace, melissa. >> i would think, david, that the 10% bid to fox shares today gives it sort of -- pressures the company to doing something if disney is not the buyer, it's got to find another buyer. >> you know, i don't know if that is the case i'm still trying to understand exactly the timeline and sequence of events in terms of who approached whom. i know the talks began let's talk it early october, when over the pace of a number of weeks. they are not ongoing at this moment, but the story is important even if this would not come to fruition, it sends a message to fox, has decided to a large extent that being ability to compete in the ever-changing landscape is more and more different without significant scale. when they look at the likes of a
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netflix or google or facebook or an apple, even a microsoft, they see a difficult environment for them to be a scaled competitor in digit at video. that seems to have at least sparked their willingness to consider parting with some of these key assets and slimming down to what would become a sports and news company. david, it's karen. to you and melissa's companies normally you see this leaked to gauge the shareholder response, but in this case, would fox even realliee to worry about the shareholder spokes and disney could do the deal without shareholder pproval. so why leak it >> you are such a risk r, did you ever hear of enterprise reporting? did in i ever believe they could get hood of something and shouldn't have and fort people
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to do it, and it was not a tactical leak here >> you've been doing it for year. >> i don't believe that was the case i think it was relatively early in the talks and i think they would have preferred it stayed private. s. >> thank you, david. >> i didn't mean to imply he's. >> >> of course. the right move by doubling down on content, should disney be making a different kind of deal guy? i realize disney reports i believe this thursday, i think fox reports a wednesday. i don't know if it means anything, do i think disney is doing the right thing? this is disney saying netflix has been eating our lunch the last five to seven years they have to do something.
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whether this gets done or not, i'm not certain. look at the land grabbed we have done, and everybody -- and it's time to catch up >> i'm not shower i agreed with that, as it -- and it doesn't have the content, obviously that disney has i think netflix traej, when they're cancelling "house of cards" the content that put them on the map, and that's what disney is going for. whatever they planned to do, or another contentsh tell you they're -- so i don't think this has much to do with netflix.
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however they're going to do it certainly in the sports world for major league baseball, i think that netflix announcement of two weeks ago or a month ago when disney said they were going to cut some core licensing to netflix, first of all netflix has done phenomenonally well to me i think that signals that the writing is on the wall we talked about this on the desk a couple suggested that maybe disney should buy netflix. it tells you why that's absurd i think i agree with dan netflix is a distribution play,
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and for them to be trading at the multiple they do, the competitive landscape is getting worse and worse. the good news today is the media sector i think that is a catalyst across the board. >> and your initial question was very astute in whose interest would it be to leak the story? or maybe working another deal who got wind of it >> our it wasn't in their interests to have it happened because of david ace excellent reporting, which is the most likely scenario. it makes me think of two things. one is that disney is concerned about its its business, they're not mutually exclusive
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it will take a while to do that. >> does it shows that disney need to do a deal to -- >> i think it shows what tim was alluding to, now maybe the entire space whose valuation has been under pressure, maybe they're getting reevaluated i think valuations go higher if they start too way overpay for original content ten years from now they could be in the similar situation. i don't think it makes that much sense. we know movie franchises, we know there's a lot of expanded
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stuff, and to keep pushing on their own delivery mechanism i think that's what bob iger is trying to do celting it up for his successor. let's bring in jim stewart, and ought thof of "disney war" one of the great business books if you haven't read it already >> what do you make of this deal >> well, it's utterly fascinating, i don't think disney has to do it. i think the stock market reaction indicates it's probably a better dealing for fox than disney, but i think it could be a plus for disney definitely this to me is a domino, maybe one of many from the decision to kind of cut the ties to netflix
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and go it on their own with the internet distribution. if you're a fox, you have to ask how many companies have the scale to do that the old models are breaking down could fox do that on its own how many over the top things are consumers going to pay for the implicit med that scott is sending is tremendous, considering that news corps split into these two companies four years ago here they are selling a bulk of their assets it's supposed to be the fast-growing entity here, which has not exactly panned out, but yeah, there's a for sale sign out now.
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look at the other studios that don't have the scale to go over the top on their own they've got to be looking at this and say how do we maximize shareholder value here i think disney gets some international distribution traditionally they've got for contend and lately pushing the -- they get the film libraries in from fox, they get some nice assets i think they have avatar, bring wolverine, x men back into the marvel fold, the ice age animation things going there did apple sit back -- are
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they a player in this game at some point >> they've got the means they have to be looking at it. they keep talking about tv and moving into some dimension there. the one thing we have seen is the barrier to entries in content creation are not very high >> they're churning stuff out left and right is a disney deal the kind of deal the kind that one man out the door makes does iger stay longer? >> he's said he's retiring so many times, i'm not paying attention anymore. he gets it, absorbs it, integrates it, that could be a
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great exit moment. >> and how about the legacy for rupert murdoch >> he's got problems with the british government handing it over to somebody else on some level may seem like a relief, but it may look like a defeat he's a her-nosed businessman he's got his children involved as well. i think he has to do something >> all right, when you looked at disney, did you think he needed to make any acquisition? what would that have been? >> honestly, i didn't. i think given this latest announcement they're absorbing band tech, which by the way is a technical challenge for them disney has not had a good track record when it comes to technology i thought they had a full plate. now taking on another big acquisition like this? very challenging, but i wouldn't say they could do it. >> jim, thanks a lot for stopping by. james stewart of "new york
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times. what do you buy off of this? >> i think it reinforces the case for time warner the t mobile summer sprint deal was -- so to me it makes a a stronger kay, potential for sort of justice department. i don't think that's the case, so i think it should be -- do you like disney more or less >> absolutely more if you think the pullet mall that they've been losing, and what it seems to garneller, if disney can strap on enough content, which was already fantastic, to be in a play where they can go hard at this and have a compelling direct-to-consumer at the top, it's -- if they're thinking
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outside the box -- >> you have the fox movie library, nat geo on top of all of the disney problems >> that's true, too. >> or if it could even happen. all right. coming up, a couple travel stocks, priceline and tr tripadviser, just getting started, to give you the names he sees as an up side. so has shack gotten its mojo back they'll tell us his plans to heat of sales, straight ahead. y. your joints... or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain health supplement
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which was a 58% year-over-year growth rate, though expanding those efforts as it competes with airbnb, plus the investment in branded advertising could put pressure on margins and longer-term growth separately, tripadviser continue toss struggle. it's main challenge is to get more uses to book travel also tripadadviser has been in hot water over a story about censors, but that conference call ticks off tomorrow. over-arching risking is a crowded mark, expedia, mel lathes worth nosing that look at mar yos, chaise up 71%
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of course that's the biggest hotel operator. >> thank you, cementa. so a lot of trouble in this space. if you look at this priceline, the quarter is actually pretty good beat on retch and eps, and to say that things are going well that is an absolute disaster, so they either see something that the rest of the space is seeing or they're trying to get ahead of something, i still don't think it's crazy expensive given what they're still going to earn, but if you look back in march, this stock took off from $1700, and we're right around there now, if you're looking for an entry point, that could pose an interesting level >> you said they met this quarter, they actually guided down this quarter, they had a big gap, so now they did the same thing, to already lowered
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guidance, they probably come in for that, if they don't get things sorted out, they may miss again. prior to today, the thing is expected for fiscal 2018 to -- traiting at 25 times, 22 times that forward number. if it's all decelerating -- it's a very prouded space right now with headwinds through marketing deals, it's not a great way to do it right now. it's weighing on margins these stocks have lost their mojo absolutely -- on a forward base, we don't know, because they keep guiding lower. >> if they lowers the 2017 guidance, these are all companies being disrupted by a shares economy environment, airbnb -- >> i can't believe the hotel companies trade as well as they do
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i don't know, they seem impervious at the moment >> what do you make of this 13% decline some of them have been overdone i think the full forward nature of the hurricane season real his sent false signals still ahead, chip stocks cruising past the all-time highs as one of the biggest deals in tech history the traders will weigh in. i'm melissa lee, you're watching -- in the meantime e. here's what also is coming up on "fast. how long sinced a real old-fatsed sloppy joe. >> not sure, but we have shake shack doubling down on chili. as crown prince salman moves to consolidate power, one commodity is surging and here's
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liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance. so welcome back to "fast money." a political shake-up in saudi arabia, sending oil surging to the highest levels in more than two years. dom chu is breaking it down from the newsroom. >> it's playing out like a made-for-tv drama, game of thrones, whatever up to call it. over the weekend in what the saudi government is calling an anti-corruption campaign, a slew of royal family members and high-ranking officials were rounded up and arrested. the man behind is it the man next in line to be the king of saudi arabia, crown pretty mohammed bill salman many analysts say this is a way to him to consolidate power. even though a well-known
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billionaire prince has been arrested over the last month, futures have gone from around 49 and change to over 57 today a 16% gain during that span. royal dutch shell shares are up about 9%, british petroleum up 8% on our side of the atlantic exxon up around 3%, refiner valero up 6% oil-related stocks could be looking to have that catch-up trade. the sector is still negative on the year, one of only two sectors, the other being telecom. as of now, the energy sector the biggest bright spot, but the caveat is we're working off a very well low base >> thank you,dom. tim, i'll go to you. >> the news is extraordinary it's historic, 70% of the
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population is below the age of 35, so this is definitely geared towards a change. >> i don't get why oil is sent to those levels. is there risk that supply is in jeopardy >> first of all there's a lot of tension in the region. there was a ballistic missile over the weekend fired at the reyam airport. it claims to be yemen, and i think there's a lot of dynamics here, but what's taking in prices hire is -- higher, two, you saw a massive accountback in ocap ex. i think you have a dynamic where oil hughes gene down 44%, not -- and everyone has doubted this move you started to see the energies move, the underlying in stocks move oil services, halliburton a name i'm long i talked about apc it's about them also being
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disciplined with cap ex and giving money back to investors. >> oah was the big winner for sure >> and schlumberger up 5.5%, but you go back to the beginning -- the end of 2016. look where it stopped recently and where it is now. maybe it continues to set up well i'll add one more there is to the pastiche there was a helicopters crab sh i'm old enough to remember -- it seems odd. i know you shake your head -- >> i'm not saying that -- i agree. >> it is spy movie stuff. the next best call, the centering breakout, exactly one weeks ago, and energy has rallied 4% carter, what are you looking at? >> well, today obviously a big day. we know that crude is up a lot of if you look at the
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circumstance where the commodity is up 3%, and energy stocks up 2% on the same day, you get a bit of follow through, typically eight weeks out, but let's step back and look at the long-term picture. this is the russell 3000, so plus orders, about 170 stocks, 1.7 trillion, and the key is this, at least to my eye, that this down trend, where we lost 50% of the value, we have now for the first time really gotten above this line. the bet was that that really is the beginning of something more sustainable. all of this has been very noisy. i think this is the beginning of something that will be enduring. it's all about catch-up, just asdas as dom was saying. energy, lag, market. i'm going to make the bet that this nascent period here will go -- even if the market goes up
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itself, i think you're going to get more up out of in. okay so a couple rely tiff charges. to have is ought russell 3000 energy, and you can draw the lines this way, which is to show that we have broken above this down trendline, the relative down trend line. not only is energy going up, going up more than the market, draw the lines another way we have something of a head-and-shoulders bottom, that's very important as well. here is, again, the entire shooting match, from the lower quality energy names, you can draw the lines many way, i think one way to draw the line is this cups and handles, you can call it whatever you want maybe a head john shoulders
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bottom it's a reversal formation. another way to draw the lines, just the fact that we have come out of this channel. put in our arrow by all accounts, you've got to go with it >> come on over, carter. so this is a catch-up trade. does that comply we need to rotate out of the better performers such as the refiners? >> well, so -- if you're going to embrace it in its entirety, you just play -- that's either finding the offshore or in rigs, notice what happened with the drillers today, and by definition, you stay away from the defensive stuff. it's going to lift all the boats.
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all we ever hear about is i don't have to be in the energy sector this is why the trade goes higher it's only going to be 4% of -- >> that is going to be terrible. >> anyway, so the idea is a lot of people adopt bother anyway. until may now, because the burden of proof has been on the -- we've had a lot of false starts energy was a very temporary thing urchlts carter,
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thank you. did they appear to be now, i don't know -- i don't have a huge energy exposure, staying with golar it moved of 3% really. >> it kind of fits the narrative of this global synchronized recovery, right? used has obviously been acting better so here you were, now you're starting to get some global data, so it makes sense you would chase it. a deal chatter in the chip space, as the chip wars heats up which of those names are a buy plus shake shack with a new item this month. we'll talk to the company's ceo
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partnership that would help take on rival nvidia. do you keep buying the chip rip? >> i don't think you do. i don't think there's too many more deals i think if you do have a like qualcomm, it's been a bit early, but i think you do get a check back at some point s. >> whether it's qualcomm, and whether it fell out of favor, nvidia people want to -- they are being given the benefit of the gash it's totally underperformed
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>> that's the bet i made if it trades at a market multiple, i'm no longer long it there. and to me, you need a lot of things go right for multiple expansion or for that $3.20 number, and i'm just not certain that is going to happen. >> i sort of think that nhb is sort of interesting. broadcom said we're fine for you to buy it at 110 we don't know if that was going to happen i don't know, the down side doesn't seem huge here. >> quake com could try to bid up so many analysts say 70 $a
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share, not enough. >> i would say no. the short around is i would say no you mean to tell me i've sat through the last 18 months where you have basically billed yourself, problems in china, starting to come out the other end. you're telling me -- not suggesting that that's going to happen, but i would think it's worth a lot more >> in fact i think it's more i think it was overdone. i think the nxp deal is one that's not in the price, so i think completion of that deal, you know, broadcom allowing that deal to become -- maybe supporting them behind the cease, which is $70 is not enough >> is there a point at had which you think it's a buy >> you know, i don't don't know, i think it's sort of interesting.
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this qualcomm deal is for sure not going to happen. >> do you buy it >> do i buy it i think the very next event will be an aggressive negative response, so might tray down on that >> it's an -- still ahead, wait watchers soaring to new hides and from do birkers. the most recent lows and there's a new menu item that could continue to icspe up the stocks. more "fast money" is still ahead. businesses are thinking. factories are thinking. even your toaster is thinking. honey, clive owen's in our kitchen. i'm leaving. oh never mind, he's leaving. but what if a business could turn all that thinking... thinking... endless thinking into doing? to make better decisions.
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extraordinaire max meyers. people that go to places, for example, like shake shack all the time i'm not saying -- you want to take a look? take a look at this. >> we just launched a brand-new chili. we're going to make chili hamburger, and such classic americana deliciousness. >> how do we start >> we have some hot dogs hurricane katrina. we're ceding caramelization, and it looks like -- they look nice and golden brown, juicy on the outside. i this i we can take it on the and put it on the bun. >> dog placement is key. timplgts next, time for our burgers. the hard for the burger is shake shack, no hormone, no
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antibiotics. that's where the delicious burger lies. so let's go that's a shake shack secret recipe, i don't even have access to it >> we have the burger in here. >> mark, the only thing left to do is a taste test. >> yeah, for sure. enks as they said in "pulp fiction" that's one tasty burger. >> what he didn't eat,, it's on set for us to eat. >> thanks for saving it for us. >> the folks at shake -- kristin and mark treated me like a king, i say, first class all the way >> free labor.
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>> which is getting higher. all right. we're now joined by randy garutti. welcome to the nasdaq. >> good to be here, guys, if this tv gig doesn't work out for you -- you look good and natural. >> appreciate it. >> how important will chili be >> it's important. we keep a corpsmenu, from time to time we like to at things we really do think -- but it's good, slow braise. just a bit spicy >> when you buy the -- and a lot of other companies, because we have hormone andy biotic, because we care about where we source things from.
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some analysts are saying that will be a problem. >> we're born in new york city we have a tremendous auvs here, over $7 million, just in new york. >> we spent time talking about the regional -- and long-term we think we'll have a lot of them in that range, but what a stress tart in our profits, and it is a number we expect to slowly decline. >> we're not seeing cannibalization right now? >> we talked about some of this on our calls, where putting a shack near another one may have been impacted it, that's a decision we'll continue to make typhoon away time.
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we're running it to make a lot of money, and we do that when we open new shacks. we opened our fifth in l.a. and el segundo, if that has a small impact, we will make a decision to grow our company the right way. >> talk to us about mobile ordering i've been using the mobile order, it's easy to do are you seeing any of the problems that starbucks had? >> my kids will not grow up waiting in lines the mobile app is just one way to bring shake shack to you. so we're seeing increased rate of usage, increased rate of return, we have a higher average check when people use the app. like you, people love it we may not have been in the past able to schedule our 6:00 date
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at shake shack, now i go on, order for 6:00, my food is ready. to the starbucks point, we and anyone else in operation always has a challenge. when you add more, and you put that same amount december more stuff in the same funnel, it's hard we're working on new kitchen designs, a now the new through-puts, and our newest one in new york, where we're doing kiosk, with no cash. we're paying or team $15 an hour to start there let me ask something, on the labor front, you have some california exposure, it looks like you did a good job of keeping your labor marging kind of where they were how do you do that >> it's a challenge for us labor will be the greatest headwind we have for the next couple years, with rising minimum wage the amount we're growing, we'll have the largest year of growth
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yet, and with that comes a lot of leadership to develop we're spending a lot of money, this astroplace is where we know most of this is -- we're thrilled to pay that $15 an hour to our team, so let's start thinking about our business model, and find new ways to take care of our team, to give them a great wage where they i want to work at shake shack, but still have the strength of the incredible business model. >> randy, thanks a lot for stopping by. welcome back anytime buy the shake shack turnaround >> it's clear the stock has endured some pain just in terms of how it's performed in the market, now how they purchased in the stores. if you think about where we are, first the chart has gone through i think the biggest issues are outi've of the multiples is that the cost in the industry are going higher
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i also think the bugger warns, the competitive landscape has never been more difficult. anchts you've been a bull since the early days the stock was trading up it cooped out of o. i think obviously you have to have a long term view of this thing to me i think it's a tremendous growth opportunity despied the -- >> you did a good job. >> start eating, man. >> you look lie guy fieri at the end. >> is that a compliment? >> no the a compliment >> people will still wait in line for shake shack, and they should the ingredients are better than anybody else's
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the options market is implying pretty big moves. >> the implied move posts earnings about 13% or about $2 in either direction. we know the company has only reported two quarters, since their march 1st ipo. and then back in may, after the first report since it was public, if you look at what's going on here, options value ran a little hot today they looked for buying in the no weekly 2021 call spread, about 6500 of those traded for pennies. this is a lotto ticket that's not the way you want to play this. if you look at this chart here, $17 is significant that was the ipo price, also the september high that's $2:$2 that implied movement seems about right. check out the full show on
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