competition. very enjoyable down to the low on the street, 15 bucks nice bounce in today's session we'll see if this holds up >> thank you so much for watching power lunch. >> closing bell starts right now. happy thanksgiving hi everybody on this thanksgiving eve welcome to the closing bell, i'm kelly evans at the new york stock exchange >> and i'm bill griffith retail stocks getting a boost today ahead of the biggest shopping day of the year, that would be black friday, not tomorrow and why many people think it's all about amazon and e commerce, we have a former retail executive who says brick and mortar stores are still relevant he's going to make his case for that coming up >> i think he came from one. >> yes there's that interested to get his point of

view on facebook, stick around for this story the social network announcing a new tool to see if they followed russian propaganda >> he had to have liked one of those pages. you're nots on facebook anyway i didn't like anything -- >> are you sure you don't like anything >> well, i didn't capitalize like anything. >> that's what i mean. that's pretty, you know, that's hard core, bill. >> we're running out of facebook video. >> record number of americans will be driving today, but gasoline prices are at the highest level in nearly three years. we're going to look at where those prices may be going from here as we look at the parking lot last night in los angeles. although, you know, they showed that, but it's like that every day in l.a i don't know why -- >> took a while to come up from d.c. to new york last night though what, five or six hours. >> old 95, always busy let's begin with the breaking news this afternoon from the federal reserve. steve leaseman, those exciting

minutes. >> fed officials continue to grapple with the persistent conflict of inflation on the one hand, that's too low and asset prices are worrisomely high. minutes to the october meeting show the central bank is likely on track to hike rates in december, another quarter point, but the minutes also showed abroad inflation debate with a few participants saying the fed shouldn't hike until data show that continued low u.s. inflation is convincingly on-track towards the fed's 2% target most think the fed will ultimately end it's inflation target many are also concerned the forces behind low inflation could prove to be consistent that is not temporary as they said in the past many fed officials think the economy's operated at or above the unemployment rate that could spark inflation. so after the meeting, 93% chance of a fed rate hike in december, but they're split on whether another hike follows in march of 2018, and then there's a 44%

chance now of a second hike in december of 2018 the minutes also show some worry that keeping rates too low for too long could cause quote increased risk to financial stability, translation, stock prices may be too high and some of them on the fed are worried their own low rates could be fueling the bubble, kelly. >> and it sounded like janet yellen made comments like that last night too, steve. >> exactly she really gave us a curtain raise here on that where she kind of made a change to saying she's more uncertain now that the forces behind low inflation are transitory she's starting to worry that some of the issues out there are really persistent. if you go back and look at that inflation chart we just had up, 1.9% year over year on core inflation on the feds preferred inflation indicator and 1.3% even while the unemployment rate declined and growth has ticked up to around 3%. >> that's remarkable >> yep something else steve, thank you very much >> my pleasure let's get to the closing bell exchange, talk about the

minutes today. we have rob morgan joining us, keith bliss and rick santelli from the cme in chicago. what's the market reaction and the latest talk from janet yellen do you think? >> it was pretty undane reaction when you look at the markets more of that has to do with where we are on the calendar right now the day before thanksgiving it's been a pretty quiet week. i think more important when you look at the minutes, the fed now finds itself in all the tools that it's put in place to try and inflate us out of the situation that we found ourselves in in 2009, certainly have put the economy back on track. certainly the market has liked it, but it's just not ginned up the inflation that you'd normally see now they're at this point where the asset markets will continue to rise because any time you have interest rates below 2%, you get double digit returns inside of the equity market, but

yet it's not translating into price increases and the ability of companies to increase their price and their sales in there for their wages. it's a big issue they have to get sorted out and i think it's a little bit more structural than they're keeping their eye on and it's sorts of things that powell and his fed will have to figure out. >> and rick, after the minutes came out as you saw longer data deals went down, what'd you make the market response? >> yeah, even the two-year note dipped a little bit. it was very illogical, it's certainly the december rate hike there's no doubt in most traders minds and the minutes didn't diminish the fact that that will occur. whether it's march or a different date next year traders aren't looking that far ahead. dollar index was taking more of a pounding another incongruent aspect of a fed that's tightening in december as a matter of fact, as the crow flies now, in a dollar index is going to have the lowest close and it's a close call between october 13th and october 19th.

so more than a month, and i think that that is the dynamic to pay closest attention to the foreign exchange markets have been honkered down, just like treasuries, six, seven sessions and a tight range. today it was a breakdown of that dollar index, and i think it's meaningful especially when you consider all the dynamic in germany politically and how the euro seems to have weathered that better than the dollar index is weathering 3% growth. >> rob, what are your picks in this market? especially given the rally we've seen and the time left between now the and end of the year? >> kelly, we're really in a strong time for stocks here. we're going to close the year with a strong stock market and i guess from more of a macro standpoint, i would like small cap growth stocks here and utilities, financials, and

materials would be sectors i really focus on. >> rob, are you tempted to sell anything before the end of the year without even knowing what the tax implications will be there's no tax reform yet? >> as far as looking at sectors that are under way, not really looking at tax reform, i'm looking more at valuations and visible earnings growth and technicals, and some of those would be energy industrials and telecom in my book >> yeah, we're showing ibm, verizon and ge there as a couple of your picks. >> yep all right guys, got to go, thank you, happy thanksgiving, everybody. >> thank you, happy thanksgiving >> keith bliss and of course rick santelli.

>> it has been relentless. a few hours ago, the ftc saying it's aware of the reports and quote evaluating the serious issues raised in uber's handling of the breech. the latest could open uber up to criminal liability uber says it's in touch with several state attorney generals and it's ready to cooperate. is in it's negotiations with investors, soft bank to raise

billions of dollars and make major governess changes. it also wrotes the trust that uber is desperately trying to gain with drivers. he found out today that his information was breached and he told me, lots of companies are being hacked these days, but uber's the only one trying to cover it up. and kelly and bill, this is yet another mess from uber's past as you well know, he has on his hands, well, he's trying to move the company forward. >> i'm about the only thing you could say to that is now he clearly has a chance, i mean, sounds like he already cleaned ranks for officials directly in charge of this and does this give him anymore emp distance to show that he's in command now and is going to shape this company more to his liking >> i think such an important part of that kelly, and this is why i said, it's deal with soft bank if it can get this deal done to not just raise money, but that will usher in major governess reforms at the board level, at the shareholder level, that will allow dara to do more.

so you know the stakes are high for him, for him, but you also have to wonder what other skeletons are in the closet here he's been in the job for two months and dealt with crisis after crisis already >> i'm sure he's asking himself that by the way, i'm not trying to make light of this because this is a serious issue, am i the only one who thinks they got off cheaply? >> the sad part is if you're a criminal reading that, you could say if it were me, i'd ask for a million. >> that's a very good point. i talked to experts said today it's not that rare for companies to pay ransom ware demands hide this information and gives hackers the emp distance to hack again and more more. they could be facing, you know, millions of dollars in fines, they could be facing class action lawsuits. very good point, absolutely. >> going into the close, 50

minutes to go go with the dow down all four major averages closed at record highs. the russell is buildingen to just half a point right now. s&p is down 1.5. up next, we will see what's on tap for black friday with the former ceo and sears canada. he now hits up the retail studies program at columbia. >> he's started without us, apparently and the race is on, traditional retailers are clambering to keep up with amazon when it comes to getting orders fast to customers up nxt, we're putting retailers to that test and of course we love to hear from you, you can reach out of the show on twitter, facebook, or you can send us an old fashioned e-mail you're watching cnbc first in business worldwide

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guess matched estimates for earnings, but missed on revenue due to a sales decline in it's america's region in that stroke is down 13% right now, kelly. >> also on the retail front, many stores this holiday season are using their locations as a mini distribution center so that customers can buy online and pick up in their stores. courtney reagan is here with the especially pick-up challenge to see how well that all really works, courtney. >> hey kelly cnbc and nbc affiliate partners in chicago, dallas, and san diego, tested out six retailers, same day, buy online, pick up in store programs each placed as similar as possible orders at three pairs of competing retailers throughout the day on cnbc, we've given you the four city average winner in each pair, now for the overall ranking. walmart and target, macy's and kohl's, home depot, and lowe's have an order online pick up in store option to save you time

this holiday season. the good news is, no matter which macy's we shopped, the experience was consistent. it was the same case for each retailer we tested not all experiences were without hiccups. >> i just got a call from lowe's that our order is ready for pick-up except for one item, tree skirt isn't available >> reporter: that happened at chicago lowe's too, ordering online is supposed to be convenient, but each team thought it was the more cumbersome part. your pick-up stores -- this isn't even closest store, it keeps going back pick up was the easier part. >> that was easy the order was ready in one minute from the time i got to the counter. >> so which retailer was the fastest? target all four orders were ready in an average of 33 minutes. kohl's was second, averaging 46 minutes. though, when ease of ordering and pick-up was factored in,

kohl's was slightly ahead of target home depot, third fasters at 1:15 macy's, fourth, 2:11 lowe's, fifth, at 2:45 walmart comes up last. averagie ining 6:32 the dallas order was placed just before 5:00 p.m., but wasn't ready until after 9:00 a.m. the next day so overall, when each city ranked their sixth retailers from first to last, taking into account speed, ease of ordering, and pick up, the average rankings put kohl's slightly ahead of target. while walmart wouldn't provide an average pick-up time, the company said it is quote quite a bit less than what we experienced. bill and kelly >> wow, i'm very surprised that the number this is all anecdotal, obviously, but still, they had to wait overnight to get that -- >> exactly and that one location, the order was placed at 4:51 p.m., they didn't get the notification that it was ready for pick up until

9:11 a.m it was supposed to be same-day so we asked walmart if it was potentially a staffing issue, maybe only one person pulling orders until 5:00. they said they weren't sure they'd have is to get back to us and then again said on average, while they don't share the number, it is typically lower than that that our four cities averaged out to. >> all right courtney, thank you. stay there with us we got the globe trotters in the house. and they're bothering us right now. we'll get to that a little bit later. let's talk about how retailers can find a balance between online and brick and mortar sales. >> thank you >> this has been a water shed year for retail.

you're still advocating for brick and mortar, aren't you >> 20 years ago if a customer wanted to shop, unless they were a catalog customer and there weren't very many of them, they had to go to a store, mall, downtown, they had to go to a physical space, now they have a choice and that choice is the marketplace that amazon' created, and then amazon has a dominant position in that choice is growing the internet is now global, you can literally shop the world and transact at the stroke of a key from anywhere in the world from the comfort of your living room in the middle of the night. >> the one thing about that, at least in my experience, amazon can't always deliver, especially every part of the country is media si meanwhile, there's a walmart in every community that's probably for more people, 10 or 15 minute drive. if anything, shouldn't walmart be the one to say look, we're going to get it to you within an hour we're going to try to undercut amazon's advantage there,

especially say get the distribution out to the rest of the country and not just the urbancenters is that where brick and mortar can find an opportunity here >> well instant gratification is a big idea it's always been the basis of shopping i shopped, i saw it, i i wanted it, i bought it, it's mine >> we've been spoiled. >> amazon has brought that instant gratification down reliably to two days, and my zbesz they're conspireing to bring that down to one day and same day in major markets. in fact they're doing that already in many parts of the united states. >> courtney, we could blame that on the millennials, but you know, i'm the same way >> yeah, exactly and so i think that's exactly what these retailers are doing and why they're saying hey, we can get it to you faster to kelly's point, 90% of the country, ten mimes of a walmart store. so that could be faster than

even same day if that's what amazon gets to but of course figuring out the difference between what's available online the endless aisle and what's in store. walmart has 60 million items available on it's website. you know, they've got what, 150 of,000 or so available in a store. when you're looking for same day and doing that combination, buy online, pick up same day, you have to be able to facilitier that out and make sure you're only shopping items in that store if that's what you want. and then if you want to wait a couple day us. you can pick it up at the walmart store and get you a discount >> it's a simple idea that's

very, very complicated and of course customers expect perfection to expect a customer to be happy about waiting two hours, four hours, six hours, for something that's been promised them immediately is tremendously befaced. >> why is am distance able to do it then. if it's that complicated and people do expect per ferks for the most part, amazon delivers that >> amazon's been working on what they do for about 20 years so they have a tremendous head start from a systemic point of view there they are operating disciplines are the best in the world. so they work on a synchronized clock everywhere they do business legacy department stores, legacy stores like walmart don't have that expertise they're trying to wire it, they're putting on happy face. i don't think they're quite there yet. >> mark, what do you think though about the -- >> last word, courtney >> the balance, seems like retailers and brands think they have to have both.

a great online experience and great store experience you've got these brands that started online that are building the stores what's the ultimate balance? is it 50/50, 50% of the sales in-store or online that's what pete said recently >> i don't know that every online retailer has to have physical presence. especially if their blood category retailers like obviously amazon i think every legacy physical retailer though has to have a very, very attractive, inviting, powerful, extreenlly well-managed web component to them, and that's the rub it's easy to talk about. it's something else again to deliver, and even folks like nordstrom who have tremendous head start on most of their peers are struggling in that regard >> are you going to be shopping on friday? >> from the comfort of my living room >> that's how we go. that's how we do it. >> come on guys, come to the store. get involved >> you enjoy that, courtney.

>> i will. >> we'll see you on friday >> okay. i'll see ya. >> thanks, courtney reagan, mark cohen, good to see you happy thanksgiving. >> happy holidays. 35 minutes to go here, where's our handy little clock the dow is down 55 points, the s&p down half a point. >> that didn't last long >> less than 15 minute type thing. >> all right >> but the russell's up a little bit here and the nasdaq is up about six have you wondered which pages on facebook were the subject of russia's propaganda? the social media giant is going to show you now. we have those details coming up. and more than 40 years ago, their game was priced at $17 a share, but through the decades, the harlem globetrotters have proven priceless up next, we talked to the team's president about the state of the sports entertainment business and yes, we'll play a little b ball with a couple of the players as well. stay tuned zar: one of our investors was in his late 50s

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welcome back we have a news alert from leslie picker right now what do you have >> hey bill, this is a report out of reuters showing that broadcom is considering raising it's offer if qualcomm by offering more broadcom shares. that's according to people familiar with the matter that talked to reuters. now if you recall, last week, qualcomm actually rejected broadcom's first bid at $103 billion bid.

it looks like it's coming back to the table now trying to boost this offer after consultation with some of it's shareholders so we'll see where things go from here. we have calls out to both companies and we'll report back with what we learned, back over to you >> i know, i know, i know. >> stand by. >> leslie, just real quick, does it say what that equals out to the last offer was at 70, right? >> it doesn't give a price in the first report that i'm seeing here on what what exactly that would raise the offer to, but it's something that would absolutely sweeten the bid for broadcom shareholders, but no, i don't see any pricing details in this story as of now >> okay. very good. >> thank you, leslie. >> thanks, leslie. >> send it over to sue herrara for our news update, hi sue. >> held low kelly and bill here's what's happening that the hour nancy pelosi and chuck schumer as well as republicans mitch mcconnell and paul ryan will head to the white house on tuesday for a meeting with the

president. the group will discuss items that need to get done before the end of the year including funding the government by december 8th and the republican's tax plan. amtrak says today is it's busiest day of the year and they expect more than 760,000 passengers to use it's trains. the railroad is also beefing up it's security by increasing police visibility at it's stations the dish blackout of cbs sports and live programming will begin tomorrow in a statement, dish said it's subscribers will not be able to watch several highly anticipated games. cbs programs haven't been pulled by a distributor since 2014, the company says it does stand ready though to go to the negotiating table to try and get a fair deal and those famous macy's thanksgiving day parade balloons are starting to take shape crowds gathered to watch workers inflate the multi-story characters the parade airs tomorrow morning, 9:00 a.m. on nbc. grab your coffee, sit on the

couch, and enjoy that's the news update this hour back to you guys, bill >> yeah, that's what we'll be doing. >> we're there >> on the couch only. >> see you later how many entertainment entities can you name that are 90 years old in a very -- low-tech entity in a high-tech world? right? i mean the harlem globetrotters were around since 1926 that's what i thought. the great gabe creating them back then. and it's 90 years since that time and they still sell out of ryans, they do 400 events a year >> that's a lot. >> and a couple are here and joining us now is the president of the harlem globe trotters, good to see you. >> thank you >> why sl have they lasted this long it's amazing. >> it's family-friendly entertainment. everybody loves the globetrotters, we're here kicking off our 2018 amazing things of basketball world tour right here from the new york stock exchange playing two games

at madison square guarden this weekend. we can entertain all the new yorkers and their families >> ups and downs over the years. what's the key to making it successful in today's day and age with the rise of streaming and just so many different ways that people can access the content? >> well, we create -- we bring families together and create memories worth repeating so it's a live experience. >> live and in-person, that's the emphasis >> of course our social media fans are growing very, very quickly. clearly with trick shots like bowl and cheese will be doing here later today very, very social media-friendly >> i grew up in the era of emen and kurly neil we knew who some of those players were will chamberlain played for them for a time where do you find the players? they are so skilled. they're great showmen and women too by the way >> that's right, we have six women superstars on our team now. first of all, you have to be a tremendous basketball player second, you have to be someone who wants to entertain put on a microphone and light up

madison square garden and third a great person >> i'm like wondering what's going on behind us >> from the globetrotters, hey bull -- kelly wants to do the thing on the finger. >> no. >> i haven't touched a basketball in about 15 years >> look at the camera, smile >> okay. >> tell everybody hi don't move you've got this. >> i think my -- all right >> yeah. >> give her a hand >> that's what i'm talking about. >> i would like to know, cheese, do you think you guys could beat the warriors >> they are a good team, we're a good team. good nba team, we're the globetrotters. do you think you can beat the celtics? >> we should give it a try one day. >> i agree >> can you beat the washington generals >> of course every night. >> have you ever lost to the washington generals? >> i'm going to ten years, i haven't lost yet

>> why play for the globetrotters? why not play in the nba or anything you guys could play there too. >> obviously could do anything you want to do in life, so when i came out of college two years ago, this is one of the things i decided to do on top being a 2008 slam dunk contest and after that, the new york jets calling me up for a tryout >> yeah, the jets called you >> i was there for three days -- >> dodged a bullet there >> harlem called me, 66 countries around the world haven't got one bad review yet >> anything to add there >> tremendous tradition. over 90 years. spreading joy and love around the world from military bases to here in our home soil. and i'm very honored and blessed. >> how do you avoid getting injured? 400 events >> milk, water, lots of cheese >> i love cheese >> we could guess. >> and good food. >> and right over there, you see why they're still popular. the young people out here today to see the globetrotters thanks guys. appreciate you very much >> howard smith as well.

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57% year to date meanwhile facebook has been under fire for it's role in enabling the alleged russian manipulation of our presidential election last year

today the company is announcing some changes julia borasen is in los angeles with a look at that, julia >> reporter: bill, facebook announce is creating a portal to enable people to see which facebook pages or instagram accounts research agency that they liked or followed between the start of 2015 and this past august planning to launch the year and the facebook help center the facebook says this tool will show results for millions of it's users, but only those who liked or followed pages, not the estimated 140 million users who may have seen kremlin-backed content. now facebook's announcement comes following pressure from congress after testifying on capitol hill, senator bloomen that will earlier this month asked facebook and google and twitter to disclose who interacted with russian content by today senator blooming responding saying quote my hope is that it'll be a responsible first step towards protecting against future assaults on his platform. we must do more to protect against the kind of destructive

disinformation campaign russia mounted during the last election now bloomenthal calls on google and twitter to follow facebook's lead this is certainly just the beginning of the kind of transparency that congress is demanding as well as the public. back over to you >> i wonder to what bill was saying earlier, if they're going to show people the ads they would have seen and not just the pages they would have liked. >> i think they're going to be various steps to this. i mean the pages are just one part of it because of the way facebook works though, people share posts, people like things, people comment on things and then that information is shared. remember, it's 140 million people total, so this is definitely just the tip of the iceberg. >> all right julia thank you. there in l.a 20 minutes to go now still decline for the s&p and dow today. russell slightly higher. and the nasdaq is hanging on to about a six-point gain if you're hitting the road for thanksgiving or already did,

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all right. globetrotters are still in the house as you can tell. we'll listen to sweet georgia brown for a while as we head toward the close great stuff. pro bowler cheese chizism entertaining on the floor of the new york stock exchange. broke news this morning that proctor and gamble is going to contest that proxy vote that narrowly gave activists investor nelson a victory at a board seat last week. today the votes are going through a customary review to ensure a final and accurate

count. nelson pelts firm responded by saying and we quote, the review and challenge process will be a continued distraction. he's not real pleased about that >> let's get on to gas prices which this thanksgiving are hitting their highest level in three years. morgan brennan is at a rest stop in new jersey and has more on if prices are deterring travelers, morgan >> hey kelly, that's right, there's a price of crude climbed so too has the price at the pump so the national average for gallon of regular gasoline right now, $2.53, that's according to gasbuddy and that is the highest thanksgiving price since 2014 when energy prices first created. so why are we seeing this? we're still recovering from the capacity that came offline during hurricane harvey. and since then, we've seen crude oil prices climb with the benchmark to which gasoline and other refined products are linked, up 9% over the past month alone. so, with nearly 51 million

americans expected to travel 50 miles or more this thanksgiving week, according to aaa, we caught up with folks here at this busy new jersey restaurant many of them seem to be shrugging off these higher expenses >> 40 cents higher from where we live, yeah >> actually, it seems to be lower down here than it is up in maine because that's where we're coming from. >> it does seem to go up just right around thanksgiving. >> i sleep the whole time. so -- >> reporter: now interestingly many of the folks we spoke to are traveling this thanksgiving week for the first time in years. and we're not talking little trips either, maine to d.c., north carolina to new york's long island, boston down to delaware, so perhaps this is speaking to the fact that consumers seem to be more confident about the economy right now. that's something that experts have been saying as we go into this holiday season. guys, back over to you >> i do feel like they're shrugging it off i mean, not that it's a huge

number of and of itself, but you combine that morgan with what people say in terms of how much they're going to spend this holiday season that's about 15% it does feel like there's some extra -- i don't know, i don't know what the right word is, confidence in the air. >> reporter: absolutely. and by the way, you're seeing it in trucking data as well, the american trucking associations came out with truck for october yesterday, showed that for the month, truck tonnage spiked 10% and some of the other data we're seeing is also indicating that retailers and other shippers are really betting that people are going to spend more this holiday season >> all right, morgan thank you very much. morgan brennan there out in new jersey >> 13 minutes to go. dow's down 54. remember, we had all four closing at record highs yesterday. it'll billion notable if the nasdaq hangs on to the five-point lead there. >> from taxes to companies tanking after earnings it's been a busy week and it's only

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welcome back we have ten minutes left in the trading session. welcome back to our friend, the independent investment advisor. >> long time no see. >> wearing a very fetching turkey tie here. as you well know, i'm going to do my imitation of david darst benjamin franklin wanted to make the turkey the national bird over the bald eagle. >> that's right. >> unfortunately that didn't work out >> it was given 228 years ago by george washington who made thanksgiving a national day of prayer and celebration >> there you are now, i'm disappointed. i thought your acronym was going to be happy thanksgiving >> or turkey >> or all afternoon. >> or gravy, gravy we try to keep it to five letters. it's got to be taxes given all the talk and back and forth between the house and the senate on the tax proposals, okay >> of course >> the t is tame inflation the fed is really the consumer price index.

and if that stays weak, it's going to slow down their pace of interest rate increases. i do see that jp morgan is expecting four increases next year >> next year >> morgan stanley's had three. tame inflation secondly a is the aerial valuations aerial means alpine or lofty valuations we'll come back to that. x is xijinping, he's come out of the congress and taken aim at the debt products that swelled up so big in china the serks europe, and there we see angela merkel having difficulty forming a government. we may have to have another election or else a minority government where they work with other parties. neither of which are very happy outcomes for the germany, nor for europe and the s is small and midcalf stocks which have done so well now they're catching another bid. they're up about 11.9% for the

russell 2000 that made a new record high, i think you want to basically start to rotate into telecom and to financials, okay. that would be helped by modest interest rate increases. also energy and industrials, and there's where you're going to get a big bang for your buck with going from 35% on the corporate tax rate down to 20. the effective corporate tax rates already about 27 because you've got these big multinationals you want to focus on small and midcalf domestically oriented. that's of course your telecom and your banks and also the industrials which would be very much helped by them >> what about this valuation point that you are in? and this has been a big point of contention is it overvalued or isn't it >> you've got price to book, price to earnings, price to sales, and price to gdp which is buffett's favorite measure all of them are in elevated

territory, but most of your viewers have to remember, valuation is never the trigger the trigger is always a detier ration in fundamentals, or two rapid rate increase by the fed or psychological something psychological. if it is a psychological incident could be something to do with the middle east, it could be something to do with reform tax reform doesn't make it then you probably would want to use that as an opportunity to buy. valuations are high. when you get higher and higher, at base camp two where david and i climbed on mt. everest you want to basically watch every step you take and pay attention, hands on the steering wheel, not driving on auto pilot, this is not a time for driverless car investing. >> that's for sure >> hold on >> next week, we have the case schiller home prices home billing stocks have been on fire this year you all have talked about that i think that's area of strength for the economy, the retailers

outlooks this week so many talked about a very nice-looking christmas season holiday season so you want to basically look at that em there's only 20 days until hanukkah starts. and if your wife, mother, spouse says, don't get me anything, they do not mean it. that's lesson number one for all of your viewers. >> that's the only lesson. >> that's right. >> exactly >> see, we would have had time for happy thanksgiving. >> we would have done it >> thank you >> thank you so much >> and happy thanksgiving everybody. >> you too. >> thank you so much is it that time already? closing countdown in just a minute then after the bell, amazon leaning on whole foods to sell it's digital assistance in stores we're going to discuss if it's new offline ragystte will translate into sales this holiday season we'll be right back.

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>> best gainer in the dow today, verizon, that's been a stellar performer here recently. that's the biggest gainer not by a huge amount and dow is one of the drags, but it's also tied for decliners with johnson and johnson and american express right now. cerner corporation, the medical technology company may be working on a deal with amazon. and the amazon cloud business and cerner has taken off >> just the tie-ups, the way amazon is trying to diversify it's business. of course something that we are trying to get more details on. whether it be health care or retail, food everything >> the big decliner was today hte. it was just on the news that meg is leaving now it's down 7% >> one of the reasons tech lag

and although we should point out energy did have a strong day that coming ahead of the opec meeting. the last opec meeting of the year in vienna >> yeah, the price of oil was available. on the settlement there, just below that right now now we get ready for the retail -- >> retail bonanza. they traditional deploy well this is their seasonal time of the year, and i'm talking about the stocks right now as we head toward the shopping season. >> and those estimates, as soon as we get them on friday how consumers are shopping, how much they're putting into this market, whether it be online or at department stores, that'll be a big topic of discussion. i also want to highlight hotel stocks didn't get a lot of attention today, certainly something that we were watching this intensifying battle between airbnb and the hotel industry. it is heating up if you look at the performance they're all up 35% or more that the point, doesn't seem

like airbnb is as big a threat as we thought. have a good holiday. >> the rest of you, dow going out with a decline of 61 points as the globetrotters ring the bell here. stay tuned for the second hour of the closing bell and happy thanksgiving everybody, we'll see you on friday for a black friday special at noon eastern time kelly, it's all yours. thank you and welcome to the closing bell looking to see if they launched one of the shots on the bell, that's a better than quarter percent drop here down from yesterday's record high close s&p dropping a couple points to 2597 the nasdaq staying in positive territory just slightly today, closing up a couple to 68.67

russell 2000's in the ring for most of the session. two points on the dow there, 1516 coming off yesterday's record high. index funds are set to surpass assets by 2024 according to movies but john levin says indexing has gotten out of control. he's going to tell us why and what those risks are, coming up. michael stan toely on set with us here. and here from alpine funds joining us this afternoon. thank you everybody. leading dow was verizon. over in the s&p, top stock is over there today, by the way is the last old trading day of the week. markets close at 1:00 p.m. on friday they're closed tomorrow for the thanksgiving holiday showed some concern over low

inflation, something fed chair janet yellen expressed last night at the new york university event. oh no. one more i don't think he made that one either fed chair janet yellen, let's get back to that she expressed last night her views about inflation monitoring saying quote, it can be quite dangerous to allow it to drift

down i'm going to watch and make sure no rebound comes this way. >> yeah, while the bank shot may be one of them try end to there, investing, try to get a few more rate increases in there while also trying to sort of make sure the markets don't get too frothy a lot is in the mix. i don't think it changed anyone's view on how the next few months will go and only talking about that flattening yield curve, two years yields going up, the rest of the curve staying compressed. >> what's your expectation, sarah for rate hikes next year >> i think that's pretty accurate for me. if i look at december, they're pretty much telegraphing and they have so far

i think when you switch fed chairs and if you've said that this is our path, you probably want to stay on it at least to begin with now there's a lot of game fare that can go into that. i would think that unless the data is different that probably you would get something in margin and then it's really going to be, you're going back to much more data dependent and where inflation is and where everything else is, i think. >> there's a split lately in thinking between this idea of looking at where interest rates are, the feds shouldn't raise anymore at all and those on the street who think they're going to raise three or four times, what do you say? >> two to three and moving closer to two now. i was also going to say give the ball to kelly because i saw you spinning it earlier in the segment. >> inflation is definitely something they have to be watching and i think the fact that the fed is still mystified by the lack of inflation is troubling because many of us know that you know, you look at amazon, they

buy a walmart and prices get slashed, amazon looks at furniture and wayfair gets hit i think we're in a sustained period where maybe we're no longer transitory that this is a period where inflation, low inflation is going to stay with us and that would argue for fewer rate hikes going forward in 2018. >> and is that a reason for you to own stocks? >> yeah. i mean, it depends -- it all depends on the effectiveness of productivity through cap x and rising dramatically. and wage pressure, but yeah, absolutely we'd like to see some of the tech leaders take a breath, but we still own stocks, we're still long, we're overweighted and we think they've got room to go >> all right tech has been a big winner lately, but it's actually underperformed today, hewlett packard enterprises and were among the biggest laggards in the s&p 500. mike, i was surprised that hpe country bounce back a little bit more but again, this is the area that's traditionally kind of powered us forward

say anything that we have this weak performance. >> kplingted by the fact that meg is leaving as ceo. i'm not sure we're looking at whether the enterprise business as a whole stands, i think there's a sense with meg whitman leaving, the main reason to think there's a high energy further rationalization of this company maybe goes away. in general, it's modest taking across tech. the question for me is everyone loves it, hedge funds are loaded up with the tech stocks. biggest in-flows in the last two weeks in history is it a little bit overloved in the short term yes, very difficult to make a fundamental argue. that's where the argument takes place. >> we have a news alert on carl ikahn to get to. what's happening there >> i want to draw your attention to sand ridge energy

that company is one where carl ikahn just took a 13% stake. that spoke with dow jones. those headlines crossing just now. ikahn is the latest holder to oppose a deal for bonanza creek. those shares are flat right now in aftermarket trading, but sand ridge is down 25% year to date and bonanza creek down 71% year to date. so we'll keep an eye on that and we'll get back if we learn more, back over to you. >> leslie, thank you we've also seen sarah oil price, the gas priet effect into the holidays oil has done okay here lately. is that an attractive sector to you guys or not? >> we have energy stocks for dividend people. we have the big majors like vp i think the energy -- you're finally starting to see discussions about the supply side, not only being the most important thing you've got demand, you've got supply being constrained to some degree, although there's always concerns

about production but i think that the oil price coming up is hard for transport stocks, but it's not so bad for the energy sector and it's not so bad now that i think it's going to be a big effect i would have to go higher i think for that >> i was going say, speaking of transport stocks, looks like another news alert this time on ups >> hey kelly, colleagues over at cnbc.com with the story and the scoop here, ups has obtained a license in georgia in order to distribute manufactured drugs. why is this important? they've obtained a license that allows them to relabel those drugs and also repackage them. something that the middlemen once again, we are seeing this area where there are a lot of different players starting to try to creep in on the middle men when it comes to drug distribution, an area that a lot of folks say that is ripe for

destruction. it could very well be perhaps a move to try to save off amazon which some people say may be looking at this area as well with a number of the licenses that it has obtained however, to do this is very complicated because this is health care. you need to obtain these licenses in all 50 states if you're really going to be a major player in this particular sector >> this is an interesting one, no real reaction and you mentioned there, bertha. terrible year anyway big news there for ups potentially, sort of relatedly, cnbc.com was breaking news that amazon web services is about to break into the health care space, with an announcement next week on cerner one of the best performers in the s&p actually the best today. it's a big move and it could put a dent into other cloud businesses eyeing the health care sector. cerner was up 5% on the news nancy, there's a couple

different things going on here on the amazon piece of this, what is a partnership with cerner with an effort to put it into the cloud say to you? >> i actually like -- i'm going to answer that, i love this ups news, it's proactively disruptive and again, you know, pharma has reacted as have some of the pbms i like the fact that some companies are taking proactive advantage. on the aws deal, i mean, i think, you know, we know that amazon's the cloud leader, and i think this is interesting and potentially disruptive, but i don't think we knee enough yet to know just how much and what the implications are >> so for you the ups move is more significant >> it's more interesting to me because that's not what you would expect from ups. so i find that compelling and it shows that they are taking to amazon seriously as a delivery competitor as well

>> all right, ups shares by the way, not moving too much on that report after hours record number of americans are expected to fly this thanksgiving weekend, and it's not necessarily going to help airline stocks contessa brewer is in new jersey with more, contessa. >> reporter: yeah, so kelly here we are at united newark hub. i asked about how much this holiday travel season affects the bottom line. they wouldn't give me specifics, but it's one of the busiest travel times of the year look at the airline index here gang busters for the first six months of the year and the airlines start lags under pressure here from rising jet fuel prices and increasing competition which lowered the air fare in fact, customers right now are paying 23% for their average airline ticket than they did last year, and that means a lot of people took a look at the thanksgiving air time travel and said hey, there's an opportunity here i met a guy who found a great deal on a ticket to amsterdam, decided to take a chance on one of the busiest travel days of the year, and he got to the

airport early. >> did something happen? why is it so empty here? this is the first time i've ever traveled today because i know it's usually like a mess, or that's what i've heard don't believe the hype, it's not so bad >> reporter: it's no hype here, 51 million people traveling this year, and if you and your best friends are hitting the airport, look at this board almost everything on time here no major weather headaches to speak of newark airport just day than they did last year we're talking 44,000 united passengers departing newark today, that's a lot of people climbing up there hitting the check point. the good news is, the big rush guys was over yesterday along with chicago, we're talking washington, d.c., seattle, l.a.x., the big rush was already over today, free flowing. easy going

kelly. not the escalator. oh god it opened. >> what do you think about them as an investment a lot and because of that, they're actually generating cash, much more of the time than they used to there is, there tends to be seasonality with airlines, but there's also, you know, right now, if you're in a fare war, that's not a great time and oil prices are coming up those are things that are not so easy to get through, but generally speaking, they're making money and they didn't do that on a regular basis. >> american only one of the

majors in there. thank you, sarah, nancy, for joining us today and happy thanksgiving >> thank you >> thank you, kelly. retailers are hoping sales kick into high gear starting on black friday up next, we'll break down some proprietary data on which retailers could be big winners and which could deliver a lump of coal. tesla is reportedly burning through cash at 8,000 bucks a minute and could exhaust it's cash supply next august. ahead, we'll discuss whether the company can survive that kind of cash burn and we to want hear from you contact the show on twitter, facebook, or over e-mail share your thoughts with us. you're wchg bcfit atincn, rsin business worldwide trust #1 doctor recommended dulcolax. use dulcolax tablets for gentle dependable relief. suppositories for relief in minutes. and dulcoease for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax. designed for dependable relief.

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115 million americans plannen to shopping this black friday each company is fighting for consumer dollars michael biel is here with a look at what the big data's telling him about the winners and losers here no pressure, you have a good track record, okay. >> we do >> you're putting it at risk. >> indeed, we're 5-5, so this is

a little bit of a risk there i think it's an interesting time for retail going into black friday when you look at it on a historical basis the sector has tended to immediately coming out of black friday doubled the average daily returns. we expect for this to be different. when we look at traditional data, you have sentiment that is strong what's very interesting when you look at the alternative and proprietary data is that over the course of the last month, you've seen a dramatic increase in the amount of advertisements going on regarding friday, it is about two weeks earlier than normal that is actually led to retail-driven apps >> boil it down for us what are the names as winners and the losers >> well the name i would start off with the winner is i think walmart's going to have an interesting showing and continue

to make this place on the economy. and that's the number of reasons. one, when we looked at every single website globally and walmart actually has discounts on their sales that is not as dramatic as the rest of the industry when they do have their discounts, it's in labeled goods. one of the reason that's been able to occur, they're in the top 15 of all apps across apple and samsung. that's higher than netflix, higher than pandora. and second to amazon >> you think they can be a winner and amazon and best buy that you think amazon and walmart can win together >> i think they can both win walmart is very interesting because when you look at the black friday search and activity that's been taking place here, it's actually very strong surprisingly in brazil as well and while amazon has recently announced they're going to be making penetration into in a

space walmart has been there since 1955 also through the online channel, particularly via the phones. >> what about the losers too >> tractor supply. company i followed for a while i'm interested to hear what the indications are. >> yeah, i'm sorry to is a that on national television in history, they have have a lower win-loss ratio an the rest of the sector coming out of black friday on average, losing 1.1% per day. this year actually, i think it's going to be very interesting because they have a concentration and when you look at differentials between what are national allegiance tends to really care about, houston actually has a much higher propensity to be looking for home improvement goods and big

ticket goods now we look at used car sale and those have held up over the data over the last six months those have really held up in particular because there's been this inventory snapback in replacement cycle coming out of the different hurricanes so what we see is going to be an impact that a lot of these people in these regions who normally would beer have vernt customers have likely already spent a lot of their free disposable income. and that's particularly distressing in that what we see with tractor supply company is that they, looking at the data, they just very recently put a lot of inventory on deep discount and given that their average inventory days outstanding has been increasing from 108 last year to 118, that makes us wonder whether they're just recently realizing that they may have a little bit of an inventory problem and having to really deeply discount. >> kohl's and jcp, we know the story better michael, love junior insight thank you very much.

>> happy thanksgiving. >> 6-6 >> don't jinx it that's michael biel. tesla shares surged more than 40% this year will reports the company's burning through cash at an incredible rate end up slamming the breaks on the stock. later, asset manager, john levin says index investing is out of control and people are making a big mistake he'll explain why still to come on the closing bell. and the wolf huffed and puffed... like you do sometimes, grandpa? well, when you have copd, it can be hard to breathe.

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tesla burned through a whooping $1.4 billion in cash last quarter and will likely spend another billion this quarter. new plans for a semitruck but model three is experiencing production delays and the lawyers are lined up at the door here to discuss if investors should worry, christian hoffman and colin rush who's managing director at open hiemer. >> welcome to both of you. christian, let me start with you on the concept here that investors need to worry about how much money tesla is going through, and in a way, do you think these new product deposits are just a way for them to raise capital without tapping the markets? >> kelly, that's the cynical view, and i think that's totally an accurate view we saw this before, this company burned over $5 billion in the last couple of years it's dependent on capital markets. so if our capital markets have remained open, but capital markets can be fickle and if the euphoria around the story changes, which by the way we saw

in the last two years of trading history and public company, that could change quickly and should cause people concern >> i mean, colin, the fact they were asking people for the whole $250,000 for the roadster up front, combined with a deposit for an electric truck that won't be out for several years and they've done this time and again, is that a way they need to bring the money in the door >> sure, they'll be able to collect over the next quarter and i think that helps particularly as you are a new credit out in the high yield market that's still getting familiar with the company, but you led with the billion dollars, that was a cap x number, not the operating burn, and if they actually do start producing more model 3 vehicles, they're going to have to pay additional cap x costs >> what is the operating burn at this point >> $500 million. >> per quarter >> per quarter you're looking at billion and a half to $2 billion burned in the fourth quarter with about 3.5 billion on the balance sheet. and i think what they've always said, they wanted a billion and a half to two billion on the sheet to operate the net $500 million of

incremental deposits gets done around the area where they feel comfortable, but the big news is going to be how many model 3s they produce and with guidance in the first quarter january 3rd which is one when we're expecting them to release in a number it is where the amazon comparison breaks down and i think it's gone from a position where tesla had time on it's side because when 2020 was way out there and they were talking about the production targets there, then you could say fine, i believe in the big vision, i'll wait. now it's a little bit closer and more show me >> christian, what kind of transparency would you like to see from tesla to get investors more capital with what their capital needs really are >> i'd like to see a very clear timeline of the cash flows and cash burn. i think if you go back and look

at the three huge script, you'd see people asking questions about cash flow and they dodge the question or couldn't answer. i can't tell you what the cash flow is going to be and i don't think they can tell you either frankly they have no idea. they're in a challenging production process and look, i think to believe in the story at this point, you're making a james bond trade the company needs to dodge the avalanche, avoid the gunfire, ski off the cliff, pull the rip cord on the parachute and glide to safety so they can save the world. which i believe is in tesla's mission statement. >> well, if anyone can beat james bond, it would be elon musk colin before we go, do you think they're going have to raise capital from the markets enequity or debt next year >> we're expecting them to come to the markets the questions are what sort of terms are they going to end up with and what market they're going to tap if they end up back in the equity market or if they are able to dip back in the high yield market again like earlier this year. >> thank you both. especially joining us this thanksgiving eve christian hoffman and colin

rush time far cnbc news update now let's get over to sue herrara, sue >> hi kelly, here's what's happening at this hour eastern time off the coast off of japan the aircraft was on it's way to the uss ronald reagan at the time of the accident 18% increase over last year. well what does it take to feed an army the department of defense certainly knows and it's revealing just how much food it expects to feed the troops tomorrow for thanksgiving dinner it includes more than 98,000 pounds of turkey, 10,000 pounds of stuffing, and over 6,000 pies as the holiday approaches, the city of paris is brighter

tonight. the city switched on it's christmas lights along the famed area lighting up 400 trees along the one mile stretch of street it is a beautiful sight. that's the news update this hour, kelly, have a wonderful thanksgiving >> you too, and this is all making me feel like there's no excuse for not cooking one turkey and putting up one pair of christmas lights. exactly, i know. why they're stressed out at least you don't have to feed all the troops >> you too sue, thank you very much >> sue herrara here's a quick look at how we finished up on wall street today. just about a five-point gain on the bell there everyone else a little bit lower, but the dow is down 64, that's a quarter % drop for the session today. let get to some of the other big stories today. here's our rapid recap

>> proctor and gamble has made the associates to go through and have lawyers present t challenge and make sure that their count was correct. >> we had the best product portfolio we've had in a long time we've had real momentum in the marketplace. and antonio and have crafted that strategy together and felt like this was the time for a new generation of leaders to take charge of hewlett packard. >> from a returns perspective, if the board people visit kohl's stores and get the experience and the opportunity to transact more often >> low inflation concerns continued to dominate fed monetary policy makers decision making on when to raise key short term interest rates on the flipside, other participants caution, waiting too long to remove accommodation or moving

too slowly could result in a substantial overchute of the level of employment. >> i'm just wondering if p & e should accept it it's going to drag on if it goes on like this anyway. >> apple is going to launch a cheaper, smaller iphone next summer china's economic daily news says it'll cost 450 bucks and aimed at developing markets. it's surprising to hear such big news from a source like that the thing is, i didn't realize that iphone se was still on the market >> the back catalog of apple products doesn't get a lot of

attention at all you go into the store though sometimes and you can kind of see -- there's yesterday sitting there on the table but it is interesting, i mean look, a lot of the criticism of the newer generations -- not everybody wants that big high capability phoned in at a high price tag. does make sense. i think apple's a long way from having product clutter to where they have so many it rations >> if it's still on the market, wasn't a 5c experience where they came out with a cheaper phone that was not well received, scrapped it if this is getting them into that market. we'll see, again, considering the source we will see. next, justice league hasn't done terribly in the box office, but it hasn't done well enough given it's cost. the warner brothers film reportedly cost $300 million a make, $150 million to market and that has rob cain saying it's on tracking to lose between 50 and $100 million on the movie. how big a blow is this for the

studio and for at&t in the middle of trying to acquire this company? >> it's not really trying to have this as a basis for a franchise. also, it's really remarkable that a basically software, i mean, this is a cgi move here. costs $300 million there's not any efficiencies attached to doing a movie this way, blow things up in real life but, you know, i do think -- they're not going to give up on the franchise. there's a lot of pieces of this. characters can be put in different type of contexts i'm sure they're going to try it a lot of people of my generation are saying calling this super friends. they were based on the saturday morning cartoon. >> saturday morning cartoons again. captain planet, i'm telling you, that's the way to go finally is the business world over excel the wall street journal says that cloud-based software or adaptive insights, excels owner microsoft says it allows for collaboration too and many users export back to excel from those

new tools anyhow does he have a major problem on his hand >> this is news to me. i definitely think excel came to seem like just your standard default like toolle to use and almost every situation what's fascinating to me is a lot of people trace back this whole era of financial engineering to the invention of spread sheets. lotus or something as well it is interesting that basically the world has gone beyond the capabilities >> just to me, from microsoft's point of view, if they can do this and google docs has been a product on the market for a while now. yes. there must be some urgency in washington now >> 100 million data entries now, excel can access >> how many people really need that kind of computing power >> people don't. >> maybe the computers need it these days our next guest says if you're jest investing in the dow

or other funds you're making a huge mistake asset something here to lay out his case look at how the holiday season can be different now that it's selling it's echo device what impact will that have coming up?

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according to morning star, more than $500 billion was put into passive funds last year alone. but are investors indexing too much joining us now to discuss is john levin thank you for coming down here and you think this is a major problem for people, why? >> well, let me just say first, kelly, indexing has done a great job for many people. v vangard, state street. >> there's a but coming. >> there is a but. some of the specialized industries which i'm so negative on and spend one minute with active compare -- >> why did you think the russell 2000 in particular is such a problem? >> the essential problem is that well, i could read the names

that are in it, 30 to 50% of the companies have nowhere, roughly. 10% of the companies have earnings from 50 to 200. truly i don't believe anybody knows what they own and why and i'm going to read what came off my bloomberg today and they change a little and a little more, littleless than 2,000 names on this because of the takeovers on the day. you want to own it, exact sciences, mks, grub hub, mgic curtis, sterling, aspen technology is that what indexing was all about? >> the counter to that is that this is a one stop way of getting exposure to the small cap universe and i don't have to know all of those names because this is just a proxy for it. obviously that's the selling point. >> that is 110% true what it really is is a pure momentum trade it is momentum in a bottle, and as long as the momentum goes up, people are buying it >> but the thing that i don't understand is, why is it a

problem for somebody to just say okay i want to own this, you know -- i want exposure to the russell 2000 i want that because it's more stocks than the s&p 500, it's smaller stocks and so i get a chance to maybe outperform in the long-term and it's a low-cost way of owning it. so is there any part of that that you take issue with >> yeah, all of it i understand investment to be and when i think value and active management is all about anyway, to round the circle is buying something, measuring the risk, and judging what the aappreciation would be according to whatever value system you're using, asset value, cash, new product, management, traumas, none of that exists in this. nobody knows what they owe there's no price recognition this thing could create at any price. and as an investor, 151 today,

149 -- >> you're making that choice so for example, when warren buffett says he wants his assets put into an s&p index fund, the premise is not that he's going to know everything in the s&p once he passes and be able to judge it's value it's just that he trusts the companies that will in that index got there somehow, will leave there somehow and it's a low cost way of having that diversification. you could make the same argument for the russell 2000, couldn't you? >> i think that if you wish to turn over your money to an s&p committee or iwm committee, and you work hard for 20, 30, 40 years and you wish to allocate it that way, you should do that. i think it would be a dreadful mistake -- >> are you saying that the market's pricing mechanism is brok broken the components of the russell 2000 themselves each sort of reflect what the market thinks that company -- >> although i would say just to

back up your point a little bit and distinguish in the russell, one of the reasons people say indexing works is you're free riding on all active managers, maybe you could argue for let's say the bottom thousand stocks in the russell 2000 is not necessarily that great >> that's an interesting argument >> no charge >> what i do think and when you have 10%, 50, 200, and these kind of -- i don't think warren buffett ever contemplated allocating the russell 2000 is not appropriate for people to be long >> would it be okay to index the dow for you? >> i would not want to do it because again, i don't know what price the dow should trade at and i don't know what price the

s&p should trade at. >> give us one company you would like and you look at it. one specific stock not to put you on the spot or anything >> well, i think one of the most interesting -- one of the most interesting stocks in the management over a long period of time which we've had a is the dow. you have one of the great managements in the world and whatever the value is, you're going to get it. and i don't think he's in the russell 2000 >> john -- >> he's in the dow >> thank you very much we have a news alert on peter keel >> hey kelly, this is a quite interesting trend in developments here with the gawker media bankruptcy, peter's

lawyers today filing in bankruptcy court in new york saying that the plan administrator should allow keel to participate in the sale process of gawker.com if you recall mr. teal funded much of the legal costs of an invasion of privacy lawsuit that resulted in gawker media's bankruptcy about it a year or so ago. the sister sights were sold to univision, the administrator is still attempting to find a buyer for gawker.com specifically. whether it was bidding for that access or receiving information on how the process was going quite an interesting turn of events that was interesting from the very beginning, kelly.

>> it's like covering the short. >> yeah. >> perfect analogy soulcycle has more than 82 studios across the country now it's moving beyond the bike as fly wheel heat up the latest workout the cycling studio is offering and what it means to the sbrand coming up. but first, alexa, buy a 20-pound turkey. that could be how whole foods customers shop for thanksgiving meals. those detailarne s e xt today, innovation in the finger lakes is helping build the new new york. once home to the world's image center, new york state is now a leader in optics, photonics and imaging. fueled by strong university partnerships, providing the world's best talent. and supported with workforce development to create even more opportunities. all across new york state, we're building the new new york. to grow your business with us in new york state, visit esd.ny.gov.

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from turkeys to echoes amazon's takeover of whole foods allows the tech giant's online/offline strategy to be on display this thanksgiving. deirdre bosa has made her way to a whole foods.

>> reporter: kelly, that's right. this is a different kind of holiday season for amazon. after its acquisition of whole foods, more than 450 brick and mortar grocery stores like the one right behind me. this year amazon is slashing the price on items like organic turkeys, shrimp, broccoli, potatoes, and other items just in time for the holidays organic turkeys are $3.49 a pound. prime members pay even less, $2.99 per pound. also on display, something that you would not have seen in previous years, lots of devices on display, from echoes to kindles to fire tvs, all amazon products within this whole foods and many others across the country, you'll see amazon's emerging online/offline strategy. some have suggested that cheap prices on thanksgiving foods are a gateway to get consumers who are used to shopping in physical stores into the door and accustomed to amazon's ecosystem

and line of devices. but kelly, that may take some time we were here yesterday and we spoke to six customers not a single one of them either had an echo or wanted one. they cited privacy and security concerns as some of the reasons they didn't want one >> those are the biggies deirdre, thank you she's at a san francisco one i actually got the turkey at whole foods the other day, and there was no prime signage >> no tie-in i'm sure they're rolling it out. but, you know, regular supermarkets also discount, you know, the turkey itself, hoping you come in and buy other stuff. it just so happens amazon has electronics and prime memberships to sell. >> yes i'm not sure i would walk in for a turkey and walk out with an echo either. >> a different mindset >> if it gave me out loud directions as i was doing to about what to do, now there's a prospect more soul, less cycle. we'll have details on soulcycle

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soulcycle will move beyond the cycle. diana olick is outside a new york city studio where they plan to do that dia diana? >> reporter: kelly, this brand started the cycling boutique in new york city years ago. now they're separating the soul from the cycle they're calling it soul annex, a small test location in manhattan's flatiron district offering three different workouts, from high intensity cardio to stretching and strengthening. no bike. the company's ceo says soulcycle is in the business of community and personal transformation and it's never been about the bike what really drove this demand was the customer demand. >> this is really our first step in the annex and moving off the bike and out of the traditional soulcycle studio our riders were asking us consistently for other ways to spend time with our brand and instructors. we'll continue to look for ways

to do that >> reporter: soul annex has its own branding and its own clothing line, of course, to go with it. it's a way to get more business from current clients who might do other workouts in other places she says it's not about competing with other than the cycling space. when i mentioned the pelle eton home brand as well as flywheel which just recently launched a home cycling platform, she said putting a soulcycle at home, kelly, was not out of the question >> yeah, but these pelleton people are rabid >> reporter: have you met soulcycle people same thing as soulcycle, trust me >> highly passionate you have a pelleton at home. there's two things are they going to sell bikes in people's homes, and the other thing is, are you going to go in the studio for some other kind of workout >> reporter: i think you're going to go to the studio for another kind of workout. the people we met in this studio

were all soulcycle riders already. what they were doing was following their coaches, they built that connection between the clients and the coaches. so they go to the soul annex to get something else, because not everyone can ride all the time >> that is for sure. even you, diana. thank you very much. our diana olick at soul annex. >> not as catchy, you think? >> it's catchy, just a little weird. >> it's this social/tribal thing, not really about want workout itself that's also the problem with fitness in general, people get border bored of one thing just this hour ups has said it is making a move into the prescription drug business it will be delivering, because it just got a manufacturing pharmacy license in georgia, it will be able to repackage and relabel drugs directly from

manufacturers and distribute them it sounds like it's not going to disrupt the distributors so much as provide a service for drug companies like merck, interestingly. >> it is interesting there is an attack on this part of the food chain and pharmaceuticals in general everybody knows it's a huge market to go through that's it for us happy thanksgiving >> happy thanksgiving. "closing bell" is "fast money" starts right now. live from the nasdaq market site overlooking new york city's times square i'm melissa lee. tonight on "fast," it's an amazon takeover. tech guru and "fast money" friend roger mcnamee will be here to talk about how high he sees the stock going plus the man who called the market rally says there's one thing keeping him up at