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over the last five trading days, tech stocks, which were leading the markets higher for the entire year have turned lower. today the nasdaq is slightly positive this rotation isn't just on wall street a number of articles in the past few days talking about venture capital funding drying up, or at least having peaked in the seed round. >> called the hot money party tends to move around facebook ipo run up subsequently in 2013, 2014, big in seed a, that's where the capital went. the hot party moved in 2015, 2016 it went unicorn hunting, saw a lot in ipo, labor deals that hot party money shifted in 2017 very clearly to initial coin offerings. that's where the action is today. i think you're seeing a recession back to maybe norms in c, a and later stage rounds of

venture capital. >> you do see these new currencies sucking some oxygen out of the room. there's no doubt about that. >> if you look at icos the last several months they raised over $3 billion that's more than series a over a period of time there's existential risk to the venture market here with the rise of block chain and crypto projects for sure. >> that sounds scary to me these are people who are typically in the past investing in businesses instead of investing in these currencies that may or may not be tied to actual transactions. is the other new frontier at risk in the valley >> well, so, you know, many of us have actually been working on this for five years now. since 2012, 2013 in silicon valley it's something we've been thinking about we're actually very bullish on the trend overall. it's not going to be without corrections and downturns like everything

icos, at least some of icos along with early stage, things are flat or even up. that's one aspect. the second aspect icos tokens, blockchain we think of as maybe the biggest thing since the internet one of the reasons for that is you can have folks start a coin or currencies from anywhere and pull in capital from around the world. they can do so by selling their token as utility, almost like kick-starter on steroids in some use it as alternative. things developing. the reason it's interesting exits are down even though vc funding is plat or up depending how you measure it and so many companies over the next year, 18 months as the regulatory environment works out may choose to do a token or coin of some kind some structured as a product, others may be able to do it as an alternative going public.

that's actually a positive thing for folks who are investors in these funds. vc itself will also over time pretty quickly already need to adapt. in fact, almost all investors over the next 10 to 20-year timeframe will become crypto investors. the number of coins is about to exceed public stocks 4,000 public stocks decreasing over time. the number of coins going to pass that. that's going to be a major moment after that point in about 10 or 15 years, the internet becomes the world's largest stock market where all coins get traded back and forth. >> i want to ask about the impact this is having on public markets. we're getting more money into later rounds, you're seeing companies wait longer to go public and bigger ipos we're seeing that play out with names like s.n.a.nap and blue an are these big unicorns waiting longer, going public at higher valuations. >> i think we're seeing sa tale of two stories in the ipo market

right now. ipos like you mentioned, snap and blue apron have not done that well. in large part they have been attacked by the large -- the internet giants who are aggressively going after every white space they can find and each other we saw news this morning of google and amazon squirmishing if you are in the cross-hairs of large internet, beware at the same time we're seeing companies go public and do very well, companies like mongo db had a nice ipo, earlier this year alterex, companies like octa companies that kampbd ocarved or own space are still attractive to investors that type of ipo, that's the recipe for success we'll see more in 2018. >> glen does mention the battle from amazon and youtube. pulling youtube from amazon echo and fire streaming, decision

retaliation for amazon's refusal to sell google products that compete, larger position from these platform companies i wonder, is this run-of-the-mill frenemy stuff or is this a larger play here >> this is kind of like tit for tat, very common in technology google doing this to amazon is their way of sad lidling up to table. it's lying a trade war of sorts where both are reducing respective revenues and maybe they can come to some kind of accommodation. other examples of this, apple doesn't like amazon sell books through the kindle app on the phone. have you to go to the website to find them. >> they would just like a cut. >> 30% cut is too much for amazon to tolerate, so they don't even sell them facebook in 2008, they went in and cut off google's friend connect access and google in 2010 shut off facebook's google

contact access then on a smaller scale twitter and facebook have, you know, killed lots of products, lots of startups like meerkat and others. >> it's ironic, amazon wants to put customers at front, they care what the customer gets. it seems like the customer is hurt they can't access youtube, can't buy google home. this may be tit for tat but who is losing here >> this seems to be the silicon valley for so long think back to itunes and all of the other players who wanted to be able to -- real networks on itunes and apple said no we're entering this era of digital entitlement. people feel like youtube belongs to all of us, so it ought to be everywhere it belongs to google and alphabet since when do we get to demand it appears on any device we

want. >> why do you hate america. >> these are private companies that built powerful platforms. until you get antitrust arguments that they can't decide what to do with their platforms, they can decide what to do with this platforms. >> this competition is reminiscent to what we've seen in china, alley baba and ten cent yes, it's tit for tat. it's the beginnings of more intense competition among internet giants in the u.s. and we'll continue to see it grow. that makes life for startup entrepreneurs more challenging. >> your point is because the pie got big enough where they started to have to fight over the biggest pie, in other words? >> they got big enough they increasingly encroached on each other's spaces. for a while that wasn't the case it wasn't that long ago when he

served on google's board that could never happen today. i think you'll see more of that continue as the stakes are higher and the giants get even bigger and more power ful power >> guys, thanks. once again brings home outrage on twitter over this move. people's feeling this belongs to them. >> it is down to the customer, right? what's the most convenient for them that's what amazon does all the time. >> let's talk bitcoins despite the surge s.e.c. with more effort cracking down on crypto currencies. seema mody with more. >> reporter: the right in bitcoin caused washington to pay closer attention to crypto coins and offerings. more resources to crack down on

fraud leapt activity as they froze assets of flex coin which raised $15 million in icos for promising 13 fold profit in a mint to investors. as retail participation increases, the former crypto currency director for doj who just testified in front of the judiciary committee said expect large enforcement actions in the coming year. former commissioner paul atkins telling cnbc whenever you have money sloshing around, you have criminals that are attracted to it guys, it's not just s.e.c. the u.s. treasury department reviewing how the enforcement network is addressing money laundering and terrorist activity involving virtual currencies the fact that bitcoin investing is mostly anonymous makes it difficult to regulate. while government agencies monitor the space more closely, catching every bad character could prove to be challenging. now, while the president has not publicly addressed bitcoin,

individuals in his circle have been vocal on bitcoin in the past including mick mulvaney who prior to becoming budget director co-founded congressional blockchain caucus in 2016. guys. >> seema, you added a couple new wrinkles to this discussion. by wait separately bitcoin got endorsement from square. jack dorsey said in the tweet it will expand. the effect on the share prices a couple weeks ago you think there's a couple of large pieces here, glen, affecting one another, moving in tandem >> we just talked about internet giants and how they are starting to compete more ferociously with each other and also talked about the euphoria over block chain, i think they are related people, developers andconsumer alike, are kind of concerned, as you mentioned, deidra, with how the big guys are behaving. a lot of these projects put the

power back into the hands of the people and so you're going to see more and more, i think, projects rise that have the opportunity to build new applications that might serve consumers in a different way and challenge, ultimately, the power of large internet and large companies throughout industries like banking and certainly social, that sort of thing we're going to see new companies come out and challenge incumbents. >> i want to turn to you and pick up on what seema was talking about with regulation. as we see more regulation around bitcoin and icos, does that legitimatize it in a way and become dangerous and bringing it to the mainstream a -- and people want to trade it and think it's safer because it's regulated. >> one of the things it is in part a legitimate signal crypto is not going away it's not bad like people might have said five years ago it's definitely gotten the attention of lots of people. one thing that's very important

about what s.e.c. put out inflectiin flex coin, they took pains to get after scams. flex coins were a scam many are legitimate. they are ventures trying to provide products and services for people one of the things about the blockchain in particular is, as glenn said, is alliance all of the users behind the success of the product. a powerful way to go after social met yornetworks, databasa lot they have a lock on you may get a distributed version. like dot-com -- >> dplen, the chatter i hear on social network, people that approach me on the street about bitcoin reminds me of dot-com boom in the 2000s, reminds me of

multi-level marketing. there may be legitimate businesses, crypto currencies, is it a risk what should investors in silicon valley do to contain that before it gets out of control >> you're right. it is a big risk i think the hot money party is at ico when it moves we'll see which are swimming without bathing suits and i think we'll see a lot. salmonella be fraudulent, salmonella be bad ideas. >> some good ideas will go down, too. >> it's our job to figure which ones of those are good ideas and get behind those projects and try to support them and help them grow. >> that case you brought up on flex coin, they were promising 1,000% return over 13 days that's when it gets dangerous. >> that's an ico swimming without a bathing suit. >> i'll give you the final word on that. how do you advise viewers to

navigate the mine fields at least in the short-term. >> talk to your computer scientist just like you talk to your doctor. find a computer scientist, ask them i will say '90s tech boom did produce google and amazon. those two alone were worth everything else that happened at that point so bubbles and frenzies and so on, there's good writings on this, they are things that have to happen for future technology to get attention and get deployed there will be failures and things that don't work but net net we'll be better off for everybody. >> a good segment. i'm glad we had almost 17 minutes to give to it. please come back facebook could rally, a bullish call serial entrepreneur with us. we'll talk taxes

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weeks. tax reform remains primary focus for investors. joining us chief portfolio strategist at state street global advisers and global strategy and technical strategist at wells fargo institute. good morning to you both s&p coming off longest streak since august not a lot of conviction today. what's the next catalyst for the market is it riding on what happened with tax reform bill that's likely to be passed? >> well, tax reform will certainly be in the backdrop here we'll certainly keep an eye on that we think the more important story is global recovery we're seeing synchronized global growth and we're likely to hit highs we haven't seen global since 1988 we actually think the longer-term story is more important, drive corporate earnings higher and give more support to the equity markets. >> we tend to agree. at the end of the day it's all

about economy and fundamentals global improvement in 2018 international side will hold to much greater degree, so that should be a positive inflation muted readings so that creates a sweet-spot if you look at corporate earnings, those are growing. taxes will help with that, not only next year but off years as well pretty good investing environment. we are cautious on valuations, probably a little ahead of themselves. >> talk about what we're seeing in high-flying names here, tech in particular, some sectors benefiting the most in the tax bill do you expect that to continue >> one of the things that's been a hall mark of 2017 is it's been the year of momentum that has highly benefited these tech sectors, so-called bang stocks, for example. just for example in 2017, momentum returns have been about 32% versus broad market globally

around 20. so one of the things that we do think will happen is this rally will broaden out more. there may be vulnerability in some of those areas that are high valuations as we start to see money flee into areas like banking or other sectors benefit from tax reform, global recovery and ability to repatriate cash to investors >> that sounds like she thinks tech might be somewhat of a disadvantage some valuations are high there do you see enough growth given your bullish outlook internationally, enough growth for tech to continue given some trends perhaps in cloud and enterprise >> there probably is enough growth the sector will continue to be well most investors whether they like it or not have quite a bit of exposure 28% of s&p 500 it will be all about which sectors are not discounting the positives of the margin going forward. for tech, unfortunately, they have done so well because there

has been a lot of catalysts aligned for technology to do well low rates, low growth, low inflation going forward as the tax reform works its way through, improves a little more. cyclical sectors will get, again, a greater share of the growth going forward so we like financials, industrials, consumer discretionary and health care. so again, there's nothing wrong with tech, it should continue to do okay. at the margin some will take some of the share away >> sameer mentioned valuations start to look a little stretched. you can't help but talk about amazon and netflix nearly tripled over the last three years. are we seeing a rotation or are we seeing a pullback have they just run too far too fast will that continue to next year, particularly these names. >> i agree there's a bit of money pulled off the table here one of the things that has happened with tax reform people looking at what capital gains

taxes will be and what implications will be i think you're getting that normal year end portfolio rebalancing where you get a bit of profit taking so it doesn't surprise us you would see a bit of a pullback in some of these names. we think the bigger story is more discrimination, more focus on those areas, a bit more out of favor that can now benefit from improving global recovery potentially also some marginal improvements with tax rates but also other things that are more idiosyncratic like ability to return capital to shareholders in the banking sector. >> lori and sameer, thank you for joining us today. >> thank you. >> thank you. as we head to break, checking out shares of walmart ten years after apple changed its name from apple computer to apple, inc. walmart said it's rolling back the dash in its stores that goes into effect in february when we come back, billionaire

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tech stocks rebounding on track for back-to-back gains perhaps after being pressured over the last week investors, entrepreneurs and business leaders watching for policy progress in washington on immigration and tax reform joining us now serial entrepreneur kevin ryan, chairman and ceo of tech incubator. we got a little aggressive with your money, but you've got lots of money, estate tax level, which brings us to the policy conversation so big changes negative for places like knock perhaps coming from washington on taxes, immigration. are these positive at all in your view? >> i don't think they impact tech as much as one would think. don't forget smaller companies aren't profitable. startup companies aren't profitable for years they have losses they are caring

for. corporate tax rate not a big benefit. anyone who lives in new york state and new jersey and california is going to suffer. that's going to be negative for states and i think it's the wrong thing to do. overall i'm concerned about the deficit. it's not the right tax plan going forward. i don't think it will be beneficial in the long run. >> also i want to ask about the tech environment overall you've been behind companies like mongodb, tech database, orac oracle, digital media is having a hard time. guilt group in retail. see what's happening in amazon is this an environment in which big guys have gotten too big for smaller companies to win or does innovation have a chance because there's enough big guys fighting each other. >> i think innovation is doing great. there are hundreds and thousands of smaller companies doing very, very well. i didn't worry at all. we should feel lucky we have as many startups, venture capital being invested, that people feel

aggressive, environment is good. so everything is right i'm concerned about immigration. that's something that's going to hurt tech industry in particular and policies of the administration in general things are very, very good. >> to jon's point, digital media, one example, aren't we in a situation where a lot of businesses got formed because capital had its eye on it and now that's sort of being dried up. >> a different perspective sitting here eight years ago, you couldn't have named a successful online media company. today we name buzzfeed, business insider, a number out there, "huffington post," doing hundreds of millions in revenue. some are growing faster than others, some better than others. this has been the golden age will every single one be successful, no they are fantastic most have more traffic business insider has more traffic than "wall street journal. that happened in eight years revenues growing there i'm not involved anymore, 20, 30% a year things are good. >> you're not discouraged by buzzfeed missing a target or

national sold for 50. >> i think most traditional media companies would be very happy to be growing as fast as buzzfeed is growing even though it's not as fast as they planned on growing. >> is there a chance of a flash in the pan pendulum swinging back the other way towards traditional media companies. how do we know they are going to be able to keep up the traffic are they here to stay. >> no evidence online media companies are dropping in traffic. traditional media companies, by the way, have all kinds of challenges i don't see the pendulum switchinging back. once you get to 100% you can't grow at 100 anymore maybe 10 or 20 they are very important. >> is it becoming a premium game when it comes to content, when it comes to credibility. you take a look, business insider has come a long way from where it was seven or eight years ago, stories going up then, for example. you get a lot of criticism from advertisers about the content

they might be shown beside on youtube. is this a pivot that media needs to continue to make. >> i don't think it's a pivot. there's segmentation let's not forget we looked at magazines. there were magazines high end and frankly magazines not high end. they both found advertisers over the last 50 years. you'll see the same thing in online media it will segment, an enormous market we do know the share of market over the last five years has continued to go to online media, whether owned by electric additional player or not. >> great insights. kevin, thanks. >> thanks for having me. >> 32 past the hour. let's get a news update with sue herera at hq. >> hello, everyone here is what's happening at this hour a man has been ordered held after accused in a plot to assassinate british prime minister theresa may the plan allegedly involved planting a bomb near the entrance of ten downing street and continuing the attack with a knife and someone wearing a suicide vest

a second man accused of trying to join isis was not charged the u.s. and south korea continuing their large scale joint military exercises over the korean peninsula the five-day drills began on monday and involved more than 200 aircraft north korea has denounced the drills as provocative. russian president putin says he will seek re-election in next march's election he made the statement at a meeting with workers and a factory. putin has an approval rating topping 80%. he's been in power since the year 2000. "time" magazine selecting silence breakers as its persons of the year. those are the individuals who broke silence regarding sexual harassment in the workplace and gave traction to the #me too campaign that's it for this hour. i will send it down to you, carl. >> sue, thank you very much. let's get to dominic chu and get the close. >> european stocks mixed, a lot

more red than green. banks and technology among today's biggest decliners. german dax on track for four neck tiff day in the pags five despite unexpected increase in german factory orders for october, the london ftse on the rise, rare speck of green as it continues to decline published reports say there will be no brexit deal with week. earlier today uk prime minister theresa may telling parliament good progress made on brexit this after a phone call with the head of northern ireland's democratic unionist party who says more work needs to be done to resolve issues involving northern irish irish border. in the uk hammerson agreeing to acquire rival intu, britain's biggest property company that's a big deal there. south africa-based sign off plunging in german trading after accounting irregularities. the retailer ceo has resigned.

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breaking news regarding senator al franken let's go to kayla in washington. >> carla, we are getting a cascade of democratic senators colleagues of minnesota democrat al franken who are now calling for his resignation following "politico" report about a second woman, former democratic aide who franken tried to forcibly kiss after a radio appearance before he ran for congress we should note franken called those categorically untrue even so, four of his colleagues in the senate, who all happen to be women, are now calling for his resignation. let me read you a portion of kirsten gillibrand, "while senator franken is sbiltsed to have the ethics company complete the review, i believe it would be good for the company if he said this isn't acceptable by

stepping aside these calls on facebook, twitter, through official statements it does seem that now colleagues of senator franken's are increasingly asking him to step aside. carl. >> all over social media right now. we'll find out later if it was a coordinated effort but feels that way for the moment. kayla tausche in washington. thanks tech stocks may have a tough week but evercore doesn't see it continuing, facebook and amazon. a new note said will lead with a gain of 30%. joining us this morning the author of that report, anthony declemente, senior analyst good to have you back. >> thanks. great to be back. >> did i get that number right, 30 >> yeah, that's correct. we're coming out bullish on the bank stocks. in addition to network effects, we think there are other things at play here the investment levels, the data they will use for machine

learning and the customer captivity that these platforms have making the switching cost higher for customers we see the larger winner take most, winner take all platforms doing well we like most of those stocks facebook is the top pick going into 2018. >> anthony, how much does everything have to go right, outside of tech, for stocks like facebook to maintain and even extend the kinds of valuations we've had up to this point. >> i think, jon, these are companies that continue to disrupt traditional industries at an incredible rate. i know what you're seeing, the stocks are up a lot. if i look at facebook and google and they are trading around 20 times, very conservative gap in 2019, even though you hear can stocks keep going up because they have had a great run, as an analyst, the multiples, metrics show they can. they have the martest people in the world. they are generally really well

led. somebody like mark zuckerberg, a visionary ceo. we see the growth continually. on the top line we think over the next three years facebook can deliver 30% growth these companies have just shown accelerating revenue growth as we were watching from the sidelines on on third quarter earnings so basically i think that the growth is there, the growth relative valuation is intact unthe concerns like regulation you talked about that in your previous segment a lot of those are probably priced in to these reasonable multiples. >> anthony, that's exactly what i wanted to ask you about, regulation that's been a big theme this year what makes you think that's not going to intensify next year for the likes of facebook, google, and amazon and prove to be a bigger risk in pushing them higher >> i think the reason that it intensifies at maybe a slower pace than people are worried about, generally these companies have been good for consumers they are delivering fantastic products at the best value they are in a lot of ways doing

it better than traditional providers, you look at traditional media companies versus let's say netflix or facebook media experience. they are just doing a better job on things like user interface. so i think if you're a regulator, the government, say there may be some anti-competitive practices you knew, of course there was the fine this year for google. but they are not really stifling innovation they are not really bad for the consumer your previous segment i thought the gentleman talked about it well things like uber and airbnb creating market value. i know that's not happening in the public markets but my view would be bank stocks are not sucking the oxygen out of the room there's still plenty of room for innovation if you're the government, if you're a regulatory body, that's really what you care about is to make sure that economic growth in silicon valley and for tech and economy more broadly continues even in the presence of these really dominant players.

>> yeah. as a corollary to that, it sounds like that second tranche of smaller companies, pandoras, twitters, essentially got holds ongoing all of them. >> some of those stocks, carl, have done really well. if i look at a stock like ebay, up 20% a year. sms in digital media specifically, this winners take most dynamic where it's hard if you're, for example, yelp, multiple advertising to compete with google and facebook snapchat for sure is on the other side of instagram's innovation and their growth. so in that space we generally in our previous shot we've been more favorable tobin b bigger winners, bigger platforms. >> if you can, i want to ask any

canaries in the coal mine, cloud price wars, out of control content spending that could derail this bullish thesis you have on the big guys >> i mean, i just think from a technical perspective if you continue down a mode for investors of risk off, start to see the beginning of, there may be this rotation trend that's more of a technical comment. i don't see anything fundamental that's going to get in the way of the big disrupters. and you know, i just wanted to mention other top picks we had in the midcap space, interactivecorp and match group, both growing, both undervalued if there's one thing people are worried about, having been a media analyst in the past, it's how much the larger players are going to dip their toe in the water on sports and sports investments. so will greater video investment actually make for compressing margins in 2018. we're actually expecting that. if i were to predict something

in internet that would be interesting, i think the narrative would change on sunday football, monday night football. the big players like youtube, like amazon, i think they are going to be involved in the bidding for exclusive streaming of some of those big expensive sports properties. you're asking for reasons to be bearish. if you wanted to be bearish on margins in the near term as they make that content investment sort of the way amazon has done on the media side you can be i would be bullish in the long-term these guys have done a great job creating fantastic ad formats. over a longer period of time because of the targeting they will actually do a better job monday advertising professional content and sports they will build that structural advantage as they invest in high-price content that's kind of one thing i'm focused on going into next year. >> we've been talking about that for a long time. we'll see if that day ever comes. anthony, we'll talk to you soon. thanks for joining us. >> thanks, guys. still ahead, broad cam com o

release results, details on the bid for qualcomm a preview of that next meantime dow up 20 rick santelli, what are you watching >> right now, right in my cross-hairs, still under 30 basis points let me get this straight mario draghi going to buy less in aicatn ntipioof that they are yielding less? we'll talk about that after the break. '

's. i'm scott walker, here is what's coming up at the top of the hour big fund manager on tech, is the worst owe or more selling in the cards. first in, first out. controversial provision in the tax plan we've told you about on halftime for weeks well, finally today some congressional action the very latest on where that stands beaten up chip stock one analyst said right now is our call of the day. is it right for you? all that and more at the top of the hour we'll see you in ten minutes, carl. >> you have been all over fifo good stuff we'll see you in a bit let's get to cme rick santelli and santelli exchange good morning, rick. >> good morning, carl. when i woke up this morning, the first market i look at lately it's overseas sovereign market, spain, germany, what is the credit standard for eu, shots, two-year boones out on the ten-year i notice the yields close to 30

violation on intraday in and of itself isn't huge. we've had several in the last few days if you go back i think we're splitting pays points here but i do believe around 8th of september traded maybe 29.about and the most recent drops have been 29.5, 29.7 but it doesn't matter on the intraday. remember the roller coaster. lots of markets are like roller coasters maybe bitcoin is like one direction, more like a report, but the thing about roller coasters is you have to get on and off at the same place or after it stops and closes are more important to that end let's go to a ten-year bund chart. there you can see the red line is 30 basis points we haven't settled below it. i believe the exact date is like the 26th of june, so somewhere in june. we can call it roughly six months, but this is rather circumstances and i'll tell you why. because a ten-year bund, we can say we're bund led and i like it

more like it bundled with sovereign long end rates around the world. imagine a room of investors that look up in stocks and say, you know what, i need to diversify a little bit i'm not sure how this is going to end let me think what am i going to buy and what currency am i going to use how does all this give me the best deal? well, in many ways they come to the u.s. and they look at our markets because the bund yields which by the way opened up around 20 basis points, if they get anywhere near, that you really want to watch how much it's going to lead because it's bundled, and look at the spread. if you look at the spread relationship, i believe the recent high has been around 206 basis points that separated our 10s from the european 10s. it's getting closer to 200 there was a time when many thought 1.65 was home base, so i guess the point of this most likely it will narrow and it's narrowing at a time when draghi is going to buy less which means 2018 it will look completely different. either case, that's something you want to pay attention to jon fortt, back to you

>> all right thank you, rick santelli still ahead, we're going to tell you why the bearer of the olympic flame might look a little different this year "squawk alley" is back after this

broadco mcet to report after the closing bell josh lipton joins us from san francisco with more.

hey, josh. >> broadcom has suffered a recent slip but still up 50% so far this year. today broadcom is expected to report ep on revenue of 4.8 billion representing gains of 30% and 16% respectively but investor focus will likely be less on broadcom's fundamentals and more that be what the ceo will say about its outstanding bid for rival qualcomm broadcom is planning to announce a slate of directors at qualcomm shareholder meetings to take place next march how does this play out bernstein, stacy rasgon isn't sure that qualcomm's bid undervalues the company as much as qualcomm's management does, but he does announce another concern, possible regulatory risk remember, just days before broadcom launched that bid the ceo announced plans to move its headquarters to the u.s. complete with a photo op with president trump himself.

so what would the merged company look like? well, it would dominate 62% of the market for way if i chips, 50% for bluetooth chips and 52% for gps children, according to gartner. broadcom's conference call starts at 5:00 p.m. eastern. it's going to be the first time that broadcom's ceo will publicly field questions from analysts about this fight. jon, back to you. >> thanks very much. josh lipton. when we come back, a robot rolliot to tell you about. how they plan to use machines to deliver your next meal when "squawk alley" continues

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