hi there, no, you aren't experiencing deja vu you are watching o"options action" with guy here's what's coming up. >> maybe not video game stocks are tanking, but dan nathan says one is poised for a bounce. he will give you the setup plus, amazon is now a $2,000 stock. >> good lord that's a lot of money! >> you bet it is, but good thing mike ko has a way to get in the stock for less than $20, and --

it's apple's best month of the decade but if you missed a move we have a way for you to get long for less it's time to risk less and make more the action begins right now. >> and we start with apple the tech giant posting its best month in nearly a decade the stock soared more than 19% adding $180 billion in market cap. that's the total side of a company like coca-cola and citigroup. if you missed the move, how can you get in now let's get in the money right now. mike >> so, obviously with the stock trading very close or on its all-time high i'm not going to encourage people to rush in and buy the stock here, but the valuation still looks reasonable as far as iphone sales don't take a big downturn. we do have a catalyst coming up and we have product announcements and that could be

a potential catalyst to move the stock one way or the other and people seem to be absorbing the news pretty positively and the best way to do is to buy the call spread and that elevates the premium options a little bit and we have the fall coming up, and sometimes elevates options premiums a little bit and i was looking out to october, the 230 and 245 call spread. you can spend $6.40 and net-net you're spending about $4.40 for $15 worth of exposure this way or that. if the stock sits about here or rises just a little bit into this announcement, some of that premium is likely to come out and that will mitigate it and short the higher strike call >> i think it's a tough one in front of this event. investors have gotten very used to this whole product cycle thing into september so if you'll be buying at all-time highs in september 12th this call spread which is $15

wide, trading at levels the stock has never been to before, you're basically risking one to maybe make two if the stock gets to $245 or higher. i think it makes sense as we get through next week in front of the product announcement maybe you get an opportunity to buy this thing a little bit of a pullback to kind of make a call spread when you're trying to do is define the risk to play the further game and i think it's a strong potential that all of the good news about the phones is in the stock. >> that is a very good point because we were just pointing out how much the stock has risen. oftentimes when we look at catalysts like this, we might want to sell the downside, and i'm not interested in doing that because given how strong this move has been, if there is some form of a disappointment we have a sense of what we can give back and that's the exposure that i don't want to have if i'm making a bullish spread. >> some heady stuff on this show >> one of my favorite shows on the network is options action and watch it religiously and it's an honor to be here, number one. number two, again, i've said

this before. i'm not going to pretend that i'm some bearish, and i've been wrong and i've been right. it's a mile marker and i still adhere to that, but i'll say this, i thought 241 was sort of in the crosshairs for a number of reasons my math was they'll make $13.40 next year and a market multiple of 18 on it and you will get a stock and that's 6% away now if you want to play for 6%, i think that's great and you'll get to levels to dan or mike's point and it's not a bad thing to take money off the table. >> to that point, if you're long the stock and that's my view, you can think of it as a stock replacement strategy i don't see another 15% worth of upside outside of the next day, and that would be an extraordinary move for any company, and this one in

particular given the maturity of its product and look at it a lower risk way make a bullish bet. >> apple could be soaring and video game stocks are getting wrecked, which by the way, is what gamers say when someone is losing badly josh lipton is in san francisco with the details hi, josh >> mel, gaming companies appear to be in the kos hairs of chinese regulators the government there now is proposing controlling the number of approvals for new games, implementing an age rating system for games and restrictions on the amount of time minors are allowed to play. there is a fair amount unknown about the new measures and no clear outline on when and how the measures will be implemented and gaming giant tencent was high on that news. hans chung who covers tencent remains a bull, but he says there is incremental risk for

the company and the broader industry, he says that the government there does seem to want to implement more restrictive approval process for new titles looking ahead electronic sarts and activision, bank of america, merrill lynch, cutting its rating for both stocks to neutral from buy remember ea got hurt this week after the battlefield five game to november 20th and lowering guidance she's talked about the impact of fortnite ask it will likely impact on-line activity and poblgy unit sales and he emphasized that historically, video game stocks have traded less favorably in q4 versus the market. >> thanks josh lipton in san francisco. it sounds like a lot of headwind for video gamemakers >> this is very interesting to me in late july when the company reported they did talk about the effect of fortnite and online sales and that was disappointing and the stock sold off after that and the stock just last

week came down to, i think, we have a one-year chart and it was sitting on the one-year uptrend and we're thinking about it on the show and that was some interesting support, and then they pushed out battlefield 5 and you have to wait on october 30th to me, after you have a 25% drawdown in the stock like this that trades pretty cheap, i start thinking about it. right now this stock is down two days in a row, closing on its lows and that's like catching a falling knife. so if you want to be a bit contrarian here gives you room on the entry and it's a risk reversal and i'll be selling a downside out of the money put to finance an out of the money call and what i'm really doing is giving myself wiggle room if i'm wrong about the entry here at 113.5. looking out to october expiration when the stock was at 113.40 and that's where it closed, you can look to the

november -- excuse me, the november 100, 120, risk reversal the 100 and $20. one of the october and 100 puts and you're buying one of the 120 calls at $4.50 that costs you $22.50 and break even at $122.50 and you can lose the 250 on expiration and below that you put 1 hu00 shares per put that you're short. what this is giving you is giving you the leeway on the entry point and identify it going forward. >> think you may have had it right the first time and it would line up with the november pricing and a couple of things first if of all, a hundred bucks represents essentially the lows that we've seen over the course of the last year if there wasn't a place that you

think you might find some support, and you said you would give yourself a modest cushion and it's well over 10% to the downside before you put the stock if it runs to that short strike from my perspective, this makes a lot of sense and bear in mind that we're paying for the higher strike call and he's closer to it and the stock is trading at 113.5, and you have 13.5 to get to the lower strike. >> so what's really interesting about a rick reversal like this and i have a couple of months and as the stock rallies, this should gain in value and on the market basis and if it could decline to the short 100 put strike, then you will lose money. that's what it will look like and between the wide range, you're risky about 1.5% of the stock price to have this on, and the november expiration because we know that earnings are going come october 30th and they just guided down twice in five weeks and maybe they're able to beat that previous guidance and guide

up again and then we have the battlefield 5 release. >> but in the meantime, you might wait a week and the puts that you're selling for $2 you might be able to sell for more than that if the stock gets down to levels which is 105ish which is where we started this year. this stock basically rallied 45% from the beginning of the year and it's given it back and that's classic there's the elevator down. i don't think the elevator's hit the bottom floor and i still think there's a week where if you wait it may be more beneficial. >> it's not simply the put twice change and if the stock trades down and it goes down quickly, we will see the premiums go down faster and you will put on a 100 and 110 risk reversal at that point and you will have immediate exposure >> let me ask you this about getting long and the hundred >> here's the other thing. >> we were talking about content and when you think about what these guys have as far as

content with sports and what they're doing with e sport, i think this is really, really unique content and this is a cheap stock relative to expected growth and when you put a 25%, 30% premium on that. the fact that it's down 25%, you can buy the thing. a media company can say we can buy it for $150 bucks. >> options traders and this stock is showing volatility. if it lines up well, this is it. >> what's the best video game? >> we surrounded that -- pong. one of my favorite -- >> i don't think that it exists anymore. >> gallagher when i was in high school we used to go to the pizzeria and put the quarters on top so nobody could --? pinball. >> wonderful >> for everything options action you can check out our website options action.cnbc.com and while there sign up for the

newsletter and makes for a better read better than pong what are you waiting for here's what's coming up next >> wow >> that's what amazon has been doing, as it barrels towards a trillion dollar valuation, but if you missed the move, we'll tell you how you can buy it for less than $20. plus, calling all options action fans reach into you areio pockets and grab your phone and tweet us your question at options action. if it's ce wllnie' answer it on air when options action returns. see that's funny, i thought you traded options. i'm not really a wall street guy. what's the hesitation? eh, it just feels too complicated, you know? well sure, at first, but jj can help you with that. jj, will you break it down for this gentleman? hey, ian. you know, at td ameritrade, we can walk you through your options trades step by step until you're comfortable. i could be up for that. that's taking options trading from wall st. to main st. hey guys, wanna play some pool? eh, i'm not really a pool guy. what's the hesitation?

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amazon passing a key milestone, rallying past 2,000 and the move has highlighted a growing trend that might make it harder for retail investors to get in on the rally. bob pisani is breaking it down at the nyse. hi, bob. >> hi, melissa amazon is the first s&p 500 stock to pass the $2,000 mark. it's in rare company and there are only three companies in the s&p 500 whose shares are trading over 1,000 and amazon and booking holdings and alphabet. the old priceline was the first s&p stock to get $1,000 and followed soon there after by google and these would have been unthinkable a decade ago and that's because companies would split their shares to make it more affordable to investors the dotcom era drove up the price of tech stocks dramatically and the financial crisis and it's never really recovered and you know they were just over 100 stock puts of 1997 and that was five splits for all of last year and why don't they

split the stock as much as they used to? a lot has to do with institutional investors like vanguard those institutional guys have 72% of google and nearly 80% of netflix and institutional investors don't really care if a stock is high priced or not. they may be perfectly happy to have high-priced stocks because it discourages day trading and encourages volatility. for years, he said he had no problem with the company's stock price going up and he doesn't care about stock splits. for him it's more about the dollar value of what's being bought what this has done is it's driven up the price of stocks. the average s&p 500 stock is now $115 that's the highest in history according to s&p dow jones indices. a little more than a decade ago it was north of $50. that's a big difference. back to you, melissa. >> bob, thanks >> bob pisani at the nyse. lucky for you, mike has a way for you to get into amazon for

less than $20. i was going to say musician. he's not that either he's not a magician either and he's at the plasma to show you how and a call to action >> we're using a call spread to amazon similar to the structure that we used in apple. the first is as bob was just highlighting the stock is expensive at over $2,000 a share. if urn going to buy a round lot and it's expensive on a valuation basis and we're okay making a bullish bet here. the second bet is the options are also quite expensive and two aspects to this and one on the dollar basis, because the stock itself is, but also usually as stock prices rise the implied volatility comes and we're at or slightly above the means in the last three months or so and finally, we're chasing and we're chasing the stocks at an all-time high. so when you take a look at these three factors, using options and

the call spread specifically, right now you can see here we are closing the day basically at the all-time highs in the stock and if you're making a bullish bet here, you are basically doing the opposite of catching a falling knife on falling stocks and we're taking a little bit of a risk when we're chasing these at an all-time high. >> i was looking out to october and you can buy the 2050, the $2100 call spread and you would spend just $18 for that times a hundred shares that's $1800 which means for 100 shares worth of exposure to the upside you're spending less than a single share of amazon would cost you bearing in mind, of course, that if the stock moves 5% or 10% you will have a little bit more risk than the options, but what are those risks looking like by selling that upside call which only has a 61% chance of being hit between now and its expiration, we're improving our odds because we only need now to get up to 2070 and slightly

below this there's a 73% chance that that happens and it will hit or go through the lower strike call spread >> fun fact, 2050 and we need $1 trillion in market cap >> how do you think if call goes on with the call spread. the probability will lessen if the stock doesn't move and how do you manage that sort of trade when you're thinking about it from a probability standpoint. >> that's a good point and we can go back to this chart and think about how much time will pass >> we have 40 days to go before this thing will expire and one of the things zee to think about is do we think the stock has run out of gas it's not just about the probabilities and it's about the belief in the underlying stock and whether the momentum will continue. >> we'll get some sense of that over the course of the next week or two and it's a way to rent some of that exposure and i would not be inclined to carry this all of the way to expression if it looks like the stock is running out of gas. >> for me it's about options and

i would up the $2500 price target on higher margin businesses and you look at last quarter, operating margins were 5.5% and the street was basically half of that so i think the stock can go higher. we've done this a long time. >> a long time. >> a little enthusiasm, please, before the long weekend and i mention that because you know i've never purchased anything on the line. >> yes true >> the next thing i buy would be the first thing, based on this entire hit if you happened to notice it was standing in the dark i felt bad for him. >> will you buy him a flashlight >> i'm going to get him the overheadlights and i'll get on the amazon and help bob pisani out and he's been here too long to film something in the dark. >> i want to make one point about that and the first thing i asked about talking about probabilities and one of the thing that's important if the trade goes your way. at a certain period of time in the right time of the trade like

a call spread drops below 50% of what you made, the workload expires fairly dramatically. it is not a catalyst-driven sort of thing you have to have's plan to cut your losses. >> the probability of hitting a giving number from where you are reit now goes down as time passes >> we have pretty good odds at hitting the lower strike we'll see those odds declining we probably have at least that much time before it does decay in half. >> still ahead, lululemon hitting a new record high ask that's good news for the resident yogi, mike. we'll tell you live. much more "options action" right after this (indistinguishable muttering) that was awful. why are you so good at this? had a coach in high school. really helped me up my game.

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some of the opening trades lululemon was set to take off on earnings >> the stock has had a very large run. secondly, it's trading at a big premium to a lot of other retail names. i think that might actually be deserved, though i think there are ways that we can look to play the stock going into earnings. i was looking at the september 130, 140, 155 call spread risk reversal, selling the 130 puts at 225, and selling the 155 call at 1.57. >> and take off it did the stock soaring today hitting a fresh all-time high up 30% since the time of the trade. mike, how are you trading lulu now? >> if you follow us on twitter you know late today i recommend taking your profits on the trade. the stock has run right through the short strike and 155 which we had targeted. if you wanted to press the bullish bet, you being basically roll out the trade and on this one it's time to take profits because there's not much left in

it >> great call and the way you played it was exactly right, right? the long premium trades into events and you have to be convicted because you have to get a lot of things right and first and foremost, the direction, magity in tud and the timing, and there weren't too many names outside of retail and consumer brands that actually performed this way and even though options prices were high, it outperformed the move so good job on your part >> up next, your tweets and the final call ore, td ameritrade lets you trade select securities 24 hours a day, five days a week. that's amazing. it's a pretty big deal. so i can trade all night long? ♪ ♪ all night long... is that lionel richie? let's reopen the market. mr. richie, would you ring the 24/5 bell? sure can, jim. ♪ trade 24/5, with td ameritrade. ♪

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