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hey there, scott wopner in for mess a lee on "options action," here's what's coming up ♪ >> as stocks see the worst week of the year, utilities just hit an all-time high and there's something in the charts that suggests there's more room for the group to shine. carter worth will break it down, and mike coe will give the trade. plus, talk about socially awkward. >> you can't sit with us >> because there's one social stock shutting out its peers this year, and one of the
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traders says the rally isn't over yet he'll break it down. and -- >> the energy -- >> yikes if you thought that was scary, you better wait until you hear what dan nathan has to say about the energy trade it's time to risk less and make more. the action begins now. >> that's where we start tonight, with energy getting slammed today, making it the worst performing sector. the xle energy etf falling 4% for the worst week since the depths of the december sell-off. check out some of the names getting hit hardest -- devin, halliburton, slumber jay, down 10%. will there be more pain ahead? big question dan has been looking at the energy >> let's start with crude oil, when you were trying to assess what the damage was overnight in risk assets, crude oil was down i think 3% right out of the gate here there was a lot moving around. that was one that caught my eye. there were headlines, obviously there's growth concerns, global growth concerns, with the data in china
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the other headline i thought was interesting that norway's sovereign wealth fund was the largest sovereign wealth funds out there is going to diversify away from -- from m skpp ske&p,n the sector, not going to be weight the so much the other one to push out of a trade deal crude was down a lot it rebounded. i have a chart look at the crude chart. look where it got rejected at $58. it broke the up trend that it had been in place since the december lows. that got me thinking if we were going to have a pushout of the deal, crude going lower, i started thinking about the xle, the energy select etf. conoco, exxon, quantico, slumber j, i'm looking at the xle, where did that get rejected -- 65. i think to get short xle with the fine rick. we may get a grade deal, stimulus stuff, oil may pop. i think there's technical damage done i'm not sure the global economy's going to turn on a dime last point -- dollar, almost traded at a new 52-week high
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the strong dollar in crude oil not so good together i think you look to june expiration, you look at the xle, you can buy the xle, june, 63 ant 56, put spread, $2 for buying one of the june 63 puts at 190 selling one at 90 cents. it breaks even at 61, costs you $2 you can make between $5, between 61 and 56. i look targeting 56 to the downside in the xle. ultimately you're risking $2 this is a macro trade to me. the technicals don't line up and i don't think the fundamentals do either >> all right mike's in san francisco. mike, what do you think of the trade? >> i like the trade for a couple of reasons i mean, first of all, let's think about oil prices we have been seeing rising amounts of crude oil in storage, in cushing and if you think about it, it's a pretty simple supply and demand story we have rising production in north america. already the largest producer in the world in the united states we saw news today that they expect the permian ultimately, in four years' time, to be
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producing as much as eight million barrels a day. that would place it -- permian by itself, as the fourth largest if it was a country, as an oil producer, after the united states, saudi arabia, and russia so obviously there's going to be plenty of supply out there the demand picture, obviously, isn't that great that's an economic story, first and foremost but also it's a transition story, as we move to alternative forms of energy. so you know, you take a look at big names like exxon, they are not reinvesting, to basically replace the reserve. so i take a look at that, combined with the fact that options premiums are relatively low, and the fact that we've seen a sharp rebound in a lot of these stocks off of that recent bottom that we saw, i think this trade that he's setting up makes sense. >> i'm guessing you think oil's going lower based on your technical view of where you think the market itself is going. >> so let's talk about that. what we know is that crude has continued higher as of late, whereas the energy stocks did not participate over the last five, eight, ten sessions.
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and not only can you see that in the xle and dan points that out, the beta part if you look at xlp, the e&p names specifically, they have been smoke down almost 7% on the week, double that of the xle and the message of all that is the move in crude is likely to end, and the people are playing the leading edge which is energy stocks, which, in turn, is leading edge which is xlp. >> so he likes my lines. that's how we shake it out >> exactly >> energy in the broader market may have just had the worst week of the year. there is one group sitting at all-time highs -- utilts, closing at a fresh record high the group up 16% over the past year while the s&p is completely flat so will utilities continue to be a bright spot in the markets why don't you go to the plasma, check out the charts for us, carter >> sure. sounds like this is repeating myself sometimes good things need to be reiterated i think utilities are one of the places you want to be. i think what's going on at the
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rate environment, we know that swiss yields went negative three months ago, japanese ten-year yields german paper flirting with negative here we are stuck despite last week's head fake with yields basically moving lower s&p utilities making my new highs. this is the entire past decade it looks like an uptrend, it is an uptrend, bottom left to the top right. look how much it actually is it is literally come and touched this line over and over and over as though it's on some sort of autopil autopilot. that is what technical analysis when it's working is all about do it this way, check out these arrows, this is literally, it has stopped, pivoted, ask this money most importantly we were to zoom in here, what you'll see is we are now just now making new highs. so if i go to the next chart and we zero in on that, here's the here and now chart it is the only sector, both at
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the 500 level and the four level that is making all-time highs. that says a lot. you can draw the lines this way. i want to be long utilities. >> mike, you're trading utilities? >> yeah. i mean, this is an interesting situation that we have here because, i mean obviously one of the things we worry about in long equities, one is valuation. on the valuation front it doesn't seem as compelling as a group, we're looking at a space that's probably trading a little over 20 times earnings, that doesn't look particularly cheap. then you put it into context what we see now, for example, the spread between high-yield bonds, another source of yield and corporates is very, very narrow, what that tells us is that there's really a significant chase on for yield in this environment, this is as a basketball of equities, this yields well over 3% in terms of dividends. when you think about it in that context, i think you could see why people might look into it. the other thing is that obviously if we're going to have
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weakness in equities generally, this is a safe haven that would obviously make utilities set up well compared to the rest of the market. so when we look at it from an options perspective, the nice thing about utilities, especially if we're putting on a directional trade, the options premiums are exceptionally low i was looking out to the may 57 calls. you could spend a dollar and a quarter for those. about 15 cents already if you look at where xlu closed around 57.15. you're going to be risk being 2% of the underlying to make an upside bet if this proves to be wrong, you're not risking a great deal. obviously you'll get good gearing if this continues higher of course we're trying to give ourselves an adequate amount of time for the trade to play out >> what do you think on -- >> keep in mind one thing, think about it acting this well when major constituents have been in trouble. we know pc&g has been smoked because of the forest fires, edison international if you were to put those back in, we would be making substantial new highs. >> yeah, an interesting trade. i see exactly what you guys are
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talking about. kind of this correlation or this negative correlation and why it acts so well i just want to go back and make one point. december 7th on this show, when the xlu was trading 56.5, i made a bearish bet, playing for a move back to the low 50s let me tell you something, when the equity markets went berserk and started going down, do you know what went down? the xlu did go down. i thought it was a heads you win, tails you win sort of thing. the performance is impressive. maybe it's time for it to startperforming equities in that capacity if you're going to play this trade itrisking 2% of the stock price for near the money participation here i think it's like he's risking 125, i think the best case scenario is he maybe makes a couple of bucks here on that trade. t i think it's an okay risk-reward and a better chance that you'll lose a little mope >> it's very low beta. >> right >> you need a catalyst -- it
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would take a dip or plunge in yields to get in smoking, so to speak. the way it acts, and that's an important thing, has to be respected. >> mike, to give you the last word >> yeah. i mean, when we're looking at options action, we're looking for situations where you can make more, risk less, i think utilities is an area where you're risking less. i think call options is a place where you're risking even less i think this is a way if you're looking for someplace to play long in this current environment, this is probably one of the better ways you could do it. i mean, you're going to be risking a relatively small amount and although it doesn't take a whole lot to increase the value of that option, if we see this go up to 58.5, 59, are you going to see a clean double on these calls. that isn't a bad return for 60 to 70 days i wouldn't think. we've got more more "options action" ahead. here's what else is coming up on the show >> i see dead people [ scream ] >> that may be true because one left-for-dead social stock is surging this year.
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action." snap down more than 3% snapping a six-week winning streak. it's longest on record it's been on a tear this year, it's been ghosting the other names in the space gaining more than 70% while facebook is only up 28% and twitter up a mere 5%. so is there still time to bet on that stock our dan nathan at the plasma with his call to action. >> i think there is time to bet on it. like you said, the stock is up 70% off its december lows, was up 100% so it doubled there. there was a lot of enthusiasm about that q4 they just reported they had some improvement on some metrics albeit they're still unprofitable but investors like what they heard and like the new direction out of evan spiegel. he seems to be very, very much in charge and very focused there's three reaches why i think there could be more upside in the stock maybe not today or tomorrow or next week, but i'll tell you how to play it looking out towards july here's a couple of things that caught my eye. this stock had improving metrics
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when they reported on a lot of different levels we can talk about those at a later date but the stock rallied 22% and then it kept on going which was really interesting the other point i want to talk about is that huge pivot that facebook is making towards direct messaging going right after snapchat if mark zuckerberg came out and made that announcement, i would have thought this stock would have been down a lot more. we know they have targeted some of snapchat's best features in the past and really hurt their user engagement and user growth but the stock was only down 3% on the week. that relative strength, very important. the last point i want to make is if facebook starts making serious inroads into direct messaging and thinking about how to monetize direct messaging, i think that makes snapchat's property a very scarce asset for much larger platforms. i think that becomes a takeover target, even with evan spiegel's super voting rights, i think there's probably a way that he
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and jack dorsey have a meeting of the minds and say you know what, we should be doing this together there's no shortage of other large platform companies that would like to have evan spiegel locked up with them. those are the reasons why i think this stock could work as we get further into the year i think you want to play it with a call calendar. i don't want to buy outright premium here i want to basically think about how i would sell some short dated calls to help finance some longer dated calls and play for the stock to move around a little bit above where it's trading right now. really importantly, here's the chart here obviously it hit a little resistance last week, almost to the dime at like 20.5 here it's trading down about $9.50. and i think you want to play a call calendar. let me tell you what the trade is real quickly. look at april expiration and sell one of the april 11 calls at 15 cents. you look out to july expiration,
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and you buy one of the july 11 calls paying 69 cents. that costs you 54 cents. that is your maximum risk. what you want to have happen here with this trade, you want it to move up towards that $11 strike between now and april expiration, a little more than a month. and then what you meant to do is either cover that short april 11 call or have it expire worthless and then you own this much longer dated july 11 call for only 54 cents, about 5% of the current stock price. this trade is basically setting up to be bullish on the name near term but really giving me some leverage in the back -- in the middle of the summer here with that long july 11 call here, so i'm not outright buying calls, i'm not buying the stock right here on a big spike. i'm trying to finance longer dated calls. >> mike, what do you think of it >> you know, i don't have a really strong opinion fundamentally about snap, although we obviously do see growing top line if they can translate that into income, that obviously would be a positive
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carter is the expert on the technicals, but i will speak to the options trade which i love, i have to tell you there's a couple of reasons why. one of those reasons is we often talk about implied volatility, the price of options what we don't talk about quite as often is how volatility itself is seasonal it's seasonal with earnings. so we often see names like snap get very volatile around earnings and then we see them trade in a much narrower range in between earnings cycles guess what, dan is selling that april call which expires before earnings which means from a seasonal perspective, this is when we expect the stock to basically be more range bound it's still a volatile stock but more range bound than it typically is he owns a july call option so he owns the volatility when you need and want it so if you're thinking about putting on a trade in this stock, and i'll let them speak to the fundamentals and the technicals, but from an options trading perspective, i like this setup. >> it's key that it's done with options. as an investment experience,
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this has been special. it came out exactly two years ago, march 2nd, i think, 2017 priced at 17 the first were 24, up 20%. hit about 29 and it never looked back so if your third day in life is your best day and you go down for two years after that and hit a low of 5, something is wrong can we get a trade here? sure this is nothing but one of the unmitigated -- this is one of the worst performing ipos on record. >> yeah, so this is a defined risk trade we're expecting a lot of other very-profile tech ipos in the coming months. this company has an $11 billion enterprise value very clean balance sheet they are not making money, that is a big issue right now but i think relative to some of the tech ipos we'll see over six months, people may start to look at this name and say it hasn't performed pretty well but it's got a stud of a ceo and founder and maybe they finally get some things right and this stock looks cheap relative to the stuff coming to the market.
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citigroup sinking 4% this week one of the traders says there's more pain coming. plus, do you have a question for one of the traders stick around, because we are taking your tweets later on in the show live from the nasdaq. that's where we are tonight in times square more "options action" right after this what do you look for when you trade? i want free access to research. yep, td ameritrade's got that. free access to every platform. yeah, that too. i don't want any trade minimums. yeah, i totally agree, they don't have any of those. i want to know what i'm paying upfront. yes, absolutely. do you just say yes to everything? hm. well i say no to kale. mm. yeah, they say if you blanch it it's better, but that seems like a lot of work. no hidden fees. no platform fees. no trade minimums. and yes, it's all at one low price. td ameritrade. ♪
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i've done all sorts of research, read earnings reports, looked at chart patterns. i've even built my own historic trading model. and you're still not sure if you want to make the trade? exactly. sounds like a case of analysis paralysis. is there a cure? td ameritrade's trade desk. they can help gut check your strategies and answer all your toughest questions. sounds perfect. see, your stress level was here and i got you down to here, i've done my job. call for a strategy gut check with td ameritrade.
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♪ welcome back to "options action." time to take a look at a couple of our open trades back in february dan said citi was about to break down. >> i want to look out to april expiration i want to catch their next earnings event i want to catch the fact that this stock rallied 30% in the last month it's pretty simple, you buy a put spread when the stock was trading at 62 today you could buy the april 60-50 put spread paying $1.60 for that that breaks even down at 58.40 you can make up to 8.40 between 58.40 and 50 bucks. >> citi is down about 4% this week and everybody wants to know what will dan do now >> yeah, that's old school so the stock was 62 when i did the trade. now the stock is 62 still. so that put spread that cost $1.60 is worth $1.30 it's lost 30 cents here.
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it's important, that is still a level. it was down to 61 in its lows today. i still like this trade. i know that we have earnings that are going to be caught in mid-april, so what i would do right now is i would cover the 50 put that you're short for 13 cents right now and i'd sell the 55 put and make it the 60-55 put spread you can do that roll for about 30 cents and that further reduced the cost of this trade at that point you have the 60-55 put spread on it. >> one of the most important tells, last week when rates did move up almost to 2.75, the banks didn't get fooled. and now of course rates have come down, they have all been smoked and it looks like there's more downside to come with citi and the others. back in january, mike khouw and carter said bonds could boom >> we have a well-defined break in trend, ever so slight, and now after breaking, we've thrown back to the underbelly of the trend line, which is often the point at which you then of
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course hit your head again my bias is rates to the downside, which of course means that one would want to buy something like a tlt. >> i was looking specifically at the april 121 calls. those were about $1.85 when i was looking earlier today. >> tlt up 2% or so this week what do you think of the technicals >> well, thinking that there's plenty more to go. the rate environment is poor and likely to get worse, therefore tlt is a good place to be. >> mike, what do you do with the trade now? >> yeah. i think we can stay with it. we've got until april expiration if one was so inclined, you could roll it out a little bit, but i think we're in a good position here. >> real quickly, the tlt got rejected on numerous occasions about 122.5. the price of options, it's about the cheapest vol you will find on the board if you think the 10-year treasury and this is the 20-year treasury etf if you think the ten-year treasury break is 10.60,
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the tlt is going up and i really like this trade. i would be looking out further dated, maybe may or june, to call spreads that are targeting 130 to the upside. up next we'll do your tweets and make the final call. see that's funny, i thought you traded options. i'm not really a wall street guy. what's the hesitation? eh, it just feels too complicated, you know? well sure, at first, but jj can help you with that. jj, will you break it down for this gentleman? hey, ian. you know, at td ameritrade, we can walk you through your options trades step by step until you're comfortable. i could be up for that. that's taking options trading from wall st. to main st. hey guys, wanna play some pool? eh, i'm not really a pool guy. what's the hesitation? it's just complicated. step-by-step options trading support from td ameritrade (client's voice) remember that degree you got in taxation? (danny) of course you don't because you didn't! your job isn't understanding tax code... it's understanding why that... will get him a body like that... move! ...that. your job isn't doing hard work... here. ...it's making her do hard work...
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what do you look for i want free access to research. yep, td ameritrade's got that. free access to every platform. yeah, that too. i don't want any trade minimums. yeah, i totally agree, they don't have any of those. i want to know what i'm paying upfront. yes, absolutely. do you just say yes to everything? hm. well i say no to kale. mm.
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yeah, they say if you blanch it it's better, but that seems like a lot of work. no hidden fees. no platform fees. no trade minimums. and yes, it's all at one low price. td ameritrade. ♪ we're back, time to take your tweets now. edward asks after breaking a 10-week winning streak for the market, what are your thoughts about buying a put spread on spy, danny >> you're speaking my language here, edward here's the thing i think carter in the last show just told you 2600 looks like a good target. i'd look at the may 275-260 pu spread i like the risk/reward of that trade. >> edward, thank you very much mike, final call, what have you got? >> calls on xlu are a low risk way to make a bullish bet there. >> carter. >> xlu, tlt, any one you want to do >> danny. >> take your pick. you buy bonds, you buy xlu, you sell xle and also buy put spreads. we've got you covered here. >> bear suits all around.
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