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the market want to see from the fed next week? >> a pretty clear signal that it is mindful and prepared to move and i don't think it wants a cut. >> it doesn't want to hear the word transitory about inflation. >> that was not welcomed >> right now the market has rushed to the point of saying inflation is slipping pretty fast >> mike, thanks very much. happy father's day that is it for closing bell. >> have a good weekend "fast money" begins right now. "fast money" starts right now live from the nasdaq marketsite overliking times square i'm melissa lee. tim seymour, steve grasso, dan nathan and guy adami chewy is the latest ipo to go parabolic on the first day of trading and is it a bad sign for the stock? we'll explain and facebook going full crypto called libra next week with a number of big backers. we've got all of the details and we start out with what could be a make or break movie for the rally and the final two and a half trading days and we only do this because you guys hate this
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song >> name the band >> four days, with the 20% rate cut in june and nearly a 19% in july, as jerome powell pushes for him to cut rates and disappointing data from china and the ten-year lows and is this the perfect recipe for a rate cut what does that mean for the market guy, welcome back. >> thanks, mel it's great to be back. >> you survived the dominican republic >> of all of the crazy places to go, with that said, obscuring the dominican republic in my opinion is the fact that president trump saying they should cut rates and to me it's madness at the highest level i still think the market is pricing in way too dovish the fed and it can only disappoint next week. the fix it 15 in this environment makes zero sense to me >> dan >> listen, i think we can look
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beyond june. we're not going to get a cut next week so it comes down to july and at that point we'll know what the outcome if there is a meeting between president xi and president trump at the end of the meeting and then we'll start to get more earnings and that could dictate whether or not we have that hike towards the end of july. so to me we're going to talk about semis a little bit and i expect other preannouncements before q2 ends and if there's only a kick the can announcement on trade i think that's the sort of thing that investors would start to price a higher likelihood of a cut and that's where it is slightly to the down side >> no matter what happens, the market is higher >> there's only a 20% chance that we do get a cut >> the fed sounds hawkish. >> they'll tiptoe their way into a cut. let me clarify this. >> that's the chatter. >> if it's as dovish as the market wants it to sound which equals hawkish
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>> the consensus that they're going to remove the word patience out of the language and if they don't remove that that would be the equivalent of being hawkish. i think no matter what, the market moves higher from here. it's goldilocks. >> it's disappointing from the market perception relative to what expectations were and the bond market at 208 being look, the ten-year to me screams no growth and the growth scare is much worse than an inflation scare even though it will reflect inflation expectations and what's going on here is i think people are pricing in a hefty part of global central bank easing and the reality is what the final easing is going to be is not going to give you anything back, and the dollar is 55 basesis points and that's not good for risk assets and the dollar yen is actually moving at the same time in that direction and look at commodity prices and look at anything that's reflation oriented and it's telling you it's not a great time to be in
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anything cyclical. >> gold is at 4-month highs. >> we've been talking about it for a while and the gold and commodity is what we haven't seen in quite some time. in my world it's about to break out of the upside and it's been under the auspices of the dollar being strong so if this dollar does weaken in a meaningful way which it should, and gold is telling you, in my opinion that the equity market is way ahead of itself. >> the equity market is above all its moving averages. so i look at it and i agree there's a lot of things that are negative and headwinds for the overall market, but the market is telling us something. it wants to move higher. >> it's shaking a lot of this stuff off. >> how is that telling us. >> and 2% above all-time highs and it's shaken off growth concerns for quite some time all it cares about is the fed and whether the fed is hawkish or dovish. >> the last two times the s&p
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was approaching 2900 and it was january 2018 and the fall of last year and you could make the same argument. i'm not telling you it's wrong that was the more constructive narrative about the s&p making higher highs, so if we're right back at that same spot the risks are increasing for that growths scare. i think we've shaken off a lot of those concerns from the last time this happened until now if the market does make new highs, the story has to be, and we're all missing something and the market starts to slow griendz in t grind in the summer environment, i think we're missing new highs. >> by the way, when someone says i don't know not agree with you, basically means i don't agree with you at all. if we think about the fed and steve's actually right fighting the fed has been --
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thank you. steve is once again correct here fighting the fed has been a losing proposition for ten years. to the extent that we've seen this before where people have questioned the global economy and we've seen the stock market continue to chug along so to the extent that -- i don't believe you can see the s&p go careening down to 2650 is the one level that everybody is targeting if we actually have a real, and it's a 5% correction my point is simply, i think positioning expectations and sentiment right now are the biggest issue. the economy is not the issue it's all about what positioning is and people are position said on both sides. >> so we have a treacherous calendar in the next few weeks how do you position yourself >> i do disagree with steve about being constructive on equities here. we have rates where we are and they're not going to turn back to being hawkish which is where they were in december of 2018, so that's not happening, but i
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think the interest rate market has moved ahead of that a little bit, and i think there is the potential and you use the term goldie locks and i'm not sure it makes a whole heck of a lot of sense and if you look at the ten-year yield below 2% and we had a dollar that was strengthening and commodities going lower and the same things were in place, and i just think it's not a fed policy mistake and it is a protracted trade war that could deflate the global economy which is fragile right now. >> if i say goldilocks, if we have a weaker economy and then the fed is more likely to cut rates. if trade talks go south, the fed is more likely to cut rates and if we have a stronger economy -- >> but can the fed save everything the market told us last week that the only thing that they care about or two weeks ago, the only thing they care about is where the fed is positioned. they don't care about trade. the market rallied and the positioning got so short off that recent low that i think the
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market was caught offsides to the bear side. >> we created another asset bubble and whatever you want to say and the fed has targeted asset prices, so it's not going to happen tomorrow and if you think about what happens with growth and we talk about the bbb threat about where the biggest tranche of death exists and for a lot of companies if we go into protracted growth, i do think we'll see credit issues that's not just significant, but very significant. we've seen moments where the credit markets in the last six months especially with periods of liquidity drying up have been devastating, frankly, to the downside look, the reason yet fed is not going to cut is because it is not cratering right now and the overall dynamic in terms of consumption trend and if you look at the isn services it's not so bad and if you look at the surveys on a regional level they've been telling you that the companies and hiring is cautious based upon trade
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dynamics and it's not telling you that the business is falling apart and on. >> if the fed doesn't cut the markets will probably sell off >> of course, they will. >> okay. and if there's a trade war then the markets will sell off. so where is the risk to the down side >> didn't the market sell off already? >> look at where mel put you, steve? >> if i agree with her i lose. >> the markets have played that act before >> we've had a trade war and broadcom didn't play that card -- >> do you think the market -- judging from broadcom's full-year sales forecast the market has not incorporated that into the thinking. >> in the semis, everyone was thinking about the back half of the year that was going to be better than the first half what happened is they supplied up a lot and then the back half if that doesn't come through -- >> my argument was that that
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would be the most obvious group to respond in advance to $300 billion. >> we're just digesting some of this right now. >> the sims started selling off last june and they led the market pullback and they were the first to sell off. >> let me tell you a couple of things that i see. look at microsoft which is a couple of percent from the all-time highs and 10% in a straight line over the last week and a half or whatever, that is a defensive name in my opinion and we talked about them last night in the show, and walmart, costco, target and they were all defensive names and ultimately a trade war will hit them and this is the most important thing to me about the broadcom moment and we're seeing the headwinds of the trade war and we're not seeing it in the finished goods level and why they're trailing so well and we get downbeat earnings guides because of the uncertainty about the supply chains and the disruption from the trade war and that's what weighs on the stock market
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>> i think with each passing day we're less close to getting a trade deal and i'll say it again and we're 16 months into this u.s.-china thing i don't think we're any closer now than we were six or seven months ago and despite what president trump says, i know when there's a deal to be made i don't think that's true. i think the china ease held all of the cards and i'm probably one of the only people that think that if you want to be some play, big-cap pharma is trading okay and gold miners are trading up to the upside and the fact that procter & gamble's trading where it is to me, that's actually really scary procter & gamble trading at 24 times forward earnings makes no sense to me. >> the chart master says there's more pain ahead for the beaten down group >> plus chew on this, another hot ipo shares of chewy surging and the next hot ipo could be just around the corner and mark zuckerberg is about to go full crypto when facebook is expected to unveil its cryptocurrency platform and we'll bring you the
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", look at the cool crowd that turned out outside of the new york stock exchange for chewy's ipo and that's not all, shares of the pet food company surging nearly 60% today during a ferocious first day of trading let's get to leslie picker down at the nyse with more on this. hey, les >> that's right, melissa chewy shares soaring today, up nearly 60% in their debut. it's their largest initial public offering ever chewy and parents company petsmart sharing a combined $1 billion to investors and the deal was massively upsized and priced above a boosted range and selling more than expected and it received the bulk of the proceeds and the retailer acquired chewy two years ago and it's worth quadruple the amount. >> so what brought investors in the door today well, americans are spending more on their pets and they are spending more money online chewy says its customers each
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spent $334 on average in 2018. chewy says its sail sales grew with increased spending without add being more customers it grew 68% and consumers are pivoting when buying in stores and online 14% of pet industry sales in 2017 up from 4% in 2015 and it was projected to grow 25% in three years, but as those trends hold, her and more consumers are noticing supermarkets, warehouses and e-commerce companies and amazon have been peking a big push into the pet world and if they choose to lower prices that could put an even further dent into chewy's negative margin, melissa. >> leslie picker at the new york stock exchange tim seymour, do you like chewy >> i don't like chewy. i do think people are willing to do and pay almost anything for their pets and good for fido and it's about where is the mode of
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the business and it's exactly that, big box stores are becoming very competitive and you're seeing private label stuff so no, i'm not chasing flewy. >> good for fido, good for dodger >> my boy dodger we spent a lot of time over the last few months talking about some of the smaller float ones that have done well, zoom, revolve is zipping right now to me it will be interesting when we get slack and the direct listing and we have one big part with spotify which was up last year and it was up 9% and we don't talk about it a heck of a lot and there's been a lot of debate about direct listing versus the ipos and to me i think that the slack thing up, supposedly $17 billion from last year when they last raised at $7 or $8 billion and that could be telling for broad tech chewy loses money. we decided to pick the ones that we want to reward that lose
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money. it lost $268 million why at this stock at this point in its growth period, why would they lose money still and to tim's point, this is not a retailer i would go into there if it was a stand alone brick and mortar. >> really? >> yeah. >> they're losing money. >> if there was brick and mortar at least you can make the case and you don't want to go on amazon and buy it and you want to get an expertise about your pet and this is online, why don't i go to walmart or amazon? >> apparently the customer service is amazing on chewy. they will send you, for instance, a portrait of flip to hang up or they send condolence letters when they learn you've lost your pet. >> that's pretty normal, right >> it's amazing. >> somewhat normal family. that's what i think. >> we have three dogs. i'm telling you right now, if i say let's go out and buy me something the kids will look at me like i've got nine heads. when i say to buy the dog
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something they race to the car the argument they made was two years ago when petsmart bought them for $3.5 million and i think the world is in a better place for chew py. >> why did they lose $330 the year before? it almost doesn't make sense it gets to the argument that we have on this desk. is it for shareholders >> they're spending money on growth you like amazon, don't you >> yes, but amazon can turn it on and off whenever amazon wants to >> in cannabis land the companies offering cbd pet food and products and it has pet products these things are being lifted off the shelves like crazy. >> there's a moat around that. >> i think so. more there because there truly is a regulatory dynamic. >> all right for more on the chewy ipo head over to cnbc.com i'm melissa lee, you're watching fast money on cnbc, first in money worldwide.
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every day, invesco combines ideas with technology, data with inspiration, investors with solutions. because the possibilities of life and investing are greater when we come together. ♪ welcome back to "fast money. crypto plans are getting support and more than a dozen companies including visa, mastercard, paypal and uber are backing libra which is set to launch next year. the new digital coin will be connected to government-issued currencies to create a more stable system which has plagued
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other cryptocurrencies so let's get the two cents on the block chain. >> i write a great note from rbc capital and he's talking about two reasons why it's going in this direction and it's payments and commerce and those two things with the stable coin attached to their user base and it's focused on asia and they have about a billion active users and what they have here in north america and it's not about the actual hardware and it's about the operability of the apps that they have and they're doing payments and commerce on we chat and this is a focus over there. so to me, i think this is a huge, huge potential thing we know they're not in china, but this creates a scenario, but they can be in china that don't really rely on social networks >> isn't it amazing that with all of what facebook has and this is a testament to where people are taking their eye off the ball and now you throw in bitcoin on top of this gain and
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it's up 38% already and advertisers are just jumping back to facebook and with that stat in asia, 4 to 1, i think that's a tremendous tailwind for facebook and it's almost making people forget about the problems they've recently had >> i think if you're in an environment where regulatory headwinds and crypto is not your answer the irony here is that crypto could be a form of security and offering facebook users something that won't be the rest of the platform and it's an ability to -- >> this one is a stable coin, too. that adds security >> it's the antithesis, but think about it, they have 2.5 billion monthly active users and they'll give fuel to the operations so to me it's very different than bitcoin and the bitcoin network. >> i have an excellent memory. >> oh, like an elephant.
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>> like an elephant. for the first time in a while it sat up well, and the december 24th low and the recent high and the 50% retracement of the move was 160 and we traded down to 161 and we had a full conversation and for the first time in a while it sets up to the long side and at least for the first time in my world, for a long time, i think you can trade facebook with the reasonable stop to the downside looking to take the all-time high whenever that was, back in august of last year. >> not bad for an old guy. >> why do you think that the dynamics that we've seen with the regulators is something that is going to be supportive to the technical call >> you're right on that point. nothing has changed and listen, until recently it's traded poorly and that move, that day on the volume we saw was enough. >> steve made one point and the advertisers are coming back and they actually never left and they're telling you that the advertisers never left and all of these concerns about privacy and it doesn't mean that usage has been down and there are
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studies and that's in the core of the facebook platform. >> why are you snickering? >> i'm having a good time. i miss everybody i can't be happy when i'm mad, people say i'm mad, and i am happy. >> tim >> it might be defensive in the environment and unitedhealthcare certainly went through a difficult period six months ago and has been working its way out of and earnings 20-plus percent and unh is the stock now. >> grasso? >> ge, i've been long on this for a while and every time i start to feel optimistic about it, steve puts out a negative call on the stock and i'm starting to feel optimistic about it again, buy it here. >> dan >> so it's the start of something and if you track the semiconductors and we'll show you how to do it on options actions. >> we get the best pages in all of cnbc. >> and we have this great kid.
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