much for the update on furloughs now for 1,200 gm workers. >> we were talking to tom rogers about the numbers, the emmys last night and so forth. netflix was up 46% at one point this year and it's now negative. >> thanks for watching "power lunch. welcome to the "closing bell." i'm wilfred frost, stocks recovering intraday, particularly after the european close. all eyes now on the u.n. general assembly the president due to make remarks during the course of the show today we've got 59 minutes left of trade and up about 50 points on the dow. >> let's look at what's driving the action weak industrial data out of germany has growth concerns out of the headlines trade talks appear on talk with the usual description of productive and instructive negotiations and fed officials back on the tape st. louis' president bullard repeating his call for more

accommodative policy and more from that interview with christine lagarde stepping down from the imf taking the top job of the ecb president in november take a listen to her view of the u.s. economy right now >> it's the longest period of growth in our country. the unemployment numbers are at rock bottom. it's in a very good place. >> her thoughts on trade, china, and the likelihood of a global recession all coming up. first, mark tepper, ceo of strategic wealth partners, welcome back you've been surprised, impressed at the resilience of the market during september, which is not seasonally a very strong month >> september a usually a very sleepy month historically. it's down somewhere between half a percent and a percent, but so far this month, we're up about 2%, so that's pretty good. i feel like we're in a tina situation, where there's really

no better laplace to invest your monday yields have come down on bonds it's really not interesting to invest in the euro zone. >> tina, there isno alternative. >> there is no alternative u.s. stocks are where it's at. i wouldn't say it's an all-clear signal right now, because we still need to get a trade deal and more stimulus overseas, but i do think that the market will trade sideways with an upward bias until we actually deal with those two big headwinds. >> don't want to invest in europe unless christine lagarde can turn things around outstanding job, by the way. >> oh, thank you >> i like your post of pictures through the years. you've done a lot of interviews with her >> it's been a long road eight years, carbon with her from japan to jackson hole to chicago. anyway, her thoughts on europe which showed some surprisingly weak numbers >> very weak numbers great interview that's already aired, lots more still to come i've read the transcript you don't want to iz mamiss it. david faber is covering new pressure on wework's adam newman

and sarah has the highlights from james bullard bob, let's start with you. >> wilf, so we have mixed performance today for u.s. stocks just take a look here. health care, merck, pfizer down. industrials like cat, up again cat's having a great month, up over 10% f.a.a.n.g. stocks, netflix is weak for the third day it's down about 10% in three days remember that big drop on friday reed hastings talking about the tough competition in streaming from apple and disney, amazon, and nbc's own peacock. that's launching next year and a lot of choices there for consumers. but elsewhere, it's not mixed in europe the economic data was awful overnight, flash manufacturing pmi, lowest level in more than ten years. germany may already be close to a recession, predictably, the yields in europe dropped, large banks like ubs, all down, as you can see there. as were the big-cap european names. siemens, daimler, all week sara, back to you. >> i just want to pick up on

that data, sarah the u.s. market improved, but it's not just manufacturing and not just germany that was the standout weakness of the data, but german services pmi was below 50 as well the french numbers showed both declining, just above 50 i think this is a broadening out of the problems we've seen in the euro zone after a couple of weeks when people had started to say, okay, the international picture has plateaued, it's not getting worse again >> the question is, the new stimulus from the ecb, will it work can it turn the tide >> based on last week's takeup fo it was very tepid, showing just make liquidity available doesn't solve the problem of lack of demand so i know you asked lagarde, is this the hardest job you've had yet, and definitely is she said she likes daunting tasks. meantime, wework ceo kaum nadama

is facing pressure david faber joining us now with the latest so what do we know about mr. newman at this point >> well, we know we're not going to learn about his fate today, sarah, at least. that's what i've been able to unearth so far but it's going to be in the next 24 to 48 hours that we find out what will happen in terms of his continued stewardship of the company that he founded and he controls as little as five weeks ago, this company was expected to be on the road right now, talking to investors about its upcoming ipos, with the expectation it would value the company at least over $20 billion those numbers quickly got ratcheted back, as we've reported over the last few weeks, investors were quite concerned about how much money mr. newman had taken out of the company. they were concerned about governance within it, his ability to control so much of what went on at wework and they resisted they resisted so much that, in

fact, the company, as you said, this time last week or about six days ago said, all right, we're not going to plan to hit the road, at least not now, and we're going to postpone. and since then, well, a damaging "wall street journal" story came out. i think we had the reporter on last hour, that seemed to have changed some mind, in particular over at softbank, the largest single investor in wework. they had problems with some of the behaviors that were described there, beyond, of course, what we all new from reading the s1 and they and along with bench majb mark sources are now in opposition to mr. neumann remaining the company's ceo. mr. neumann can choose to start over again that might not be particularly wise who's going to give him money in the future would be a key question for a company that consumes massive amounts of capital. at the same time, do you really want to get rid of the ceo who's the visionary behind this, who

loads the organization in many so many ways is there a way to fashion him as a chairman, bring in somebody as ceo and move on, hopefully, to a better future? that's the conversations that are going on right now, sarah and wilf it's unclear where some of the other board members stand in terms of mr. neumann's future, and frankly it's unclear bade on a lot of conversation i'ved a where his head is at if they do ask him the step down as ceo all of that said, we should know more very soon >> i was particularly interested in a comment you made earlier today on "squawk on the street" that the investment bankers are also now pushing for this change, which is somewhat surprising given that they backed the shape of the ipo, they would have taken the $47 billion private market offering. and is there a sense that everyone's just trying to turn and pin the blame on mr. newman now? he may have well been in the wrong, but a lot of other people kind of put their rubber stamp

of approval for most of the last couple of years on his actions >> as you know, wilf, there are about 31 underwriters. and i can't speak for nearly all of them. i think there has been some pressure from a couple to at least make some changes that would make it more amenable to the public markets he's been very closely aligned to a certain extent and dawid by jpmorgan and goldman sachs who are the key co-underwriters. jpmorgan have lent him $100 million personally, also made significant loans to the company itself that were backed up by stock. unclear where they all stand at this point really, this is the decision of the board of directors and we still have to wait and see what the final vote, when they do hold a meeting, as is expected, let's call it in the next day or two, wilf, will end up in terms of what they would like to see. but again, you could go down a road here where he says, no, and gets rid of all of them. that's his right as the controlling shareholder. >> what about the relationship

between mashiyoshi son and adam neumann. why has that changed why is he turning against him? do you have any sort of insight into what happened >> i wish i had more, sarah. as i said earlier, i think that "wall street journal" story of a few days ago detailing, you know, using the plane and leaving marijuana on it from a trip from israel to the united states and tequila parties there was a lot of different things in there it did seem to have an impact on a number of conversations i had. was that enough to fully turn them it's unclear at this point mr. neumann didn't show at a big pasadena conference that mr. massa held last week, but that's unclear that had any true impact here they have had a very close relationship and mr. neumann sparked mr.

masa's imagination, his enthusiasm so it does surprise that masa would be willing to say, let's go in a different direction. but when you have over $10 billion invested and seemingly of values that would have come in below what you've already put in, that can affect your decision making as well, sarah >> david, thanks very much, as always, dade fabvid faber there. we've got a market flash on american express >> american express shares seeing a pop today they're up about 1% on the session. this comes on news that the board has authorized share repurchase of up to 120 million shares and also noupsing a 10% dividend increase. remember, amex is up more than 20% year-to-date but still underperforming the straight payment plays like visa and mastercard back to you. >> dee, thanks very much for that let's pivot back to the fed and some new comments from st. louis

fed president james bullard today and sarah's been digging into the highlights. >> james bullard was one of the three fed officials to disseptember from last week's fed rate cut decision, but he disagreed bauds he thought the fed should do more today he spoke at a chairman of commerce meeting in illinois and gave more clarity about his view of the state of the u.s. economy and he's worried bullard saying a sharper than expected slow keown may make it more difficult for the fmoc to achieve its 2% inflation target and adding that insurance cuts may help recenter inflation. u.s. and manufacturing and slowing u.s. business investment he's also mentioned tin vot ed e yield curve. because he's worried about the economy and some of the signals, which gives investors kind of a confusing message, about what's

going to happen at the next meeting with so many people on so many different sides of the argumented arguments. >> consumer has been the workhorse of this economic expansion. consumption is 70% of our economic growth. a lot of the customer based data seems to be pretty strong. consumer confidence is pretty good, housing looks good but then you look at the manufacturing pmi, which is now in contraction mode. probably most of that is related to trade i believe that the fed needs to do more, as well i would definitely expect at least another 25 basis point cut before the end of the year, because we really need that just to get the yield curve straightened out >> in the meantime, markets are at session highs, up 70 points on the dow and we've got just under 50 minutes left of trade sylvia is joining us here on set, as well, sylvia, are encouraged to see this, at the session highs in light of that very poor international data we

saw this morning and very poor returns for european and asian markets. >> there is a reason to be optimistic with this market. and there are definitely holes and places in the market that investors can find alpha and some of those places are technology and semiconductors that continue to soar, regardless of the trade tariffs. there's a pullback in those sectors, but they're still sort of happeninging on and i think that a lot of the data around the world could soften out we heard news about germany and france essentially infusing capital into the markets we had it happening in china, we saw india with the $20 billion infusion of capital. the u.s. is support i have with the fed lowering rates and essentially inserting liquidity into the market. i think there's a lot of bad news and volatility, but there are still some bright spots and it looks like the bull market is continuing to hang on. >> it's interesting that you mentioned semiconductors they are doing quite well today and they tend to do well when

the trade tensions thaw. they're up 40% from the lows you still think there's room to run there? >> i do. micron is up close to 60%. we got a short-term semiconductor etf that's up 100 year-to-date you have gaming and data centers growing. they have essentially been able to reduce some of their inventory for pc memory. they have the nand memory for the smartphones which will be a huge growth space if the growth in 5g continues and particularly if we get a resolution with the trade war. you'll have 5g in america and it will be 20 times faster, so you need more memory throw china and an agreement in there, and all of a sudden you have the ability for some global growth to hit that stock and some other names like broadcom and qualcomm, i think those are a little more trade war dependent. they're the biggest chip suppliers to china >> where do you stand on those names? >> broadcom, we own.

i like broadcom. it's kind of like my anti-semi semi, because they have some good software exposure it's a more defensive player us. nvidia is our growth semi, it gives us access to those high-growth things we would want to play. >> sylvia, what do you want to do in the short-term with energy exposure, which has had a bit of a pop because of geopolitical concer concerns time to take profits or do you think that can continue? >> i think that can continue, but the key word is short-term the oil supply fell from 9.8 to 5.7. we keep hearing news that the saudis will essentially restore the oil supply, but it hasn't happened yet in the short-term, we have seen some great performance out of energy-related, gas and oil related etfs and i think my outlook for that

is the next week or so because that probably will resolve itself >> i guess the common thread here, they've all got secular growth stories, but if we do see a turn in the cycle, aren't those vulnerable areas where money has flown into i think they are vulnerable areas because they are growth and momentum stocks, but software a bright spot you have to pick your names. microsoft, $40, repurchase apple streaming services some of these names are bright lights and they continue to grow and i also just love the story of robotics, ai, and the millennial trade i think we'll continue to see ai and robotics grow in health care and factories and manufacturing, globally in japan and china. you know, gaming is supposed to increase about $150 billion in the next four to five years globally so i do think that there is a chance that those names keep going. but investors overall should diversify their portfolios, make

sure they're allocating to some of the late-cycle performers as well to temper volatility in the markets. >> sylvia, thanks for joining us still ahead here on "closing bell," much more on the saga unfolding at wework and the future of ceo adam neumann we'll speak with the analysts who's written about the troubles facing the company, coming up. >> and former imf managing director christine la dpard wei weighs in on the biggest threat she sees right now facing the global economy >> trade instead of being that big windows of opportunity for those companies that want to compete with each other, it weighs like a big dark cloud on the global economy >> much more from that interview, including her thoughts right now on china, coming up in just a bit. "closing bell" back after a quick break. dow isp u72 points. 43 minutes left of trade we trust usaa more than any other company out there.

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welcome back just 40 minutes left to trade. as you can see, we're higher at session highs, in fact, up about a quarter of 1%. let's send it over to mike for

today's market dashboard >> hey, wilf thanks very much here's what we have ahead. first, turn of the season. we'll see what smo ome of the calendar patterns say. and withered and fallen. maybe still some value there we'll have to take a look. a delicate balance that's what this market has been in for a while now, just kind of hovering and second spring. some of the overall u.s. macro data looking like there might be some revival there so first of all, a look at seasonal patterns. now, there's all kinds of seasonal tendencies people look at the standard month-to-month annual pattern there is the election cycle. the presidential election cycle, which has some relevance over the years, which year you are in the cycle seems to dictate something about a tendency of stocks and then the ten-year cycle, which basically says the longest single calendar decade, there have also been some tendencies those three cycles boiled into one typical chart. that's the orange line right here if the market this year

followed the typical path prescribed by the third year of an election cycle and a year ending in 9, this is what it would look like. it's tracking pretty well, but the magnitudes are way off the average for a full year in this part of the cycle is 8% they say the direction tis more important than the magnitude and nobody should be surprised if we get a little bit of a chop lower into september, october, but that's what all the patterns say. i tend to interpret this as, if we don't get seasonal weakness in the next few weeks, that's also telling you something when the market does not seem to respond to seasonal appearancpa that's probably a negative >> wait, we're really looking at market patterns with year ending in the number 9? is that a thing. >> believe it or not, i'm not saying there's a statistical significance, but there have been certain years you've had more of a problem. years ending in 8, you've often had a pretty bad sell-off.

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welcome back we've got a news alert on the fed. >> in this case, the san francisco bank president mary daly speaking at the salem community leader's luncheon in salem, oregon. those comments being delivered she says that trade uncertainty is one of the many uncertainties and one of the reasons why she supported the reserve cutting interest rates this past meeting. she also says that lowering interest rates is part of why you see the u.s. economy continue to grow above trend, addi ining also, the u.s. econoi in a good place and that the u.s. economic growth picture is being propelled by consumers, echoing a lot of sentiments out there, but still, sarah and wilfried, a sitting fed bank president saying that she did support rate cuts and those are the reasons why, making those comments to community leaders in salem, oregon, guys. >> all right, dom, thank time now to get word on the

street barclays raises its price target to $152 from $144 a share. meantime, the firm downgrades competitor clorox to underweight with a $141 price target barclays expecting improved revenue growth and favorable cost environment for kimberly-cla kimberly-clark piper jaffrey issuing lululemon an overweight $227 price target. the firm sees the brand as a share gainer with accelerating opportunities in its men's and international categories better late than ever. >> and morgan stanley out with a note on best buy saying their commercial health initiative could unlock an $11 billion amount to have $46 billion amount in terms of revenue olympic the long-term. the firm maintains its in-line rating of a $70 which hasn't

changed. the bear case, it's down to 38 the spread to the downside actually fractional lly bigger than to the upside between the bear and bull case it's not actually as bullish as it sounds on the headline. >> a lot of consumer pics in there. which one do you like the best >> of the ones you just mentioned, i would probably lean toward kimberly-clark. they're all very rich as far as valuation goes, they're not growing very fast. >> they are growing for a change >> they are a little bit kimberly-clark, i think where we have an advantage over a company like clorox in the ecommerce space. people will buy diapers and toilet paper and paper towels and tissues, they'll buy that stuff in bulk through ecommerce. you can't say the same thing about bleach >> what about lulu too late 227? >> i love it i wish i bought it an hundred bucks ago. but it's always just a little

bit out of reach if i could get it to drop back to 170 or right around the 200-day moving average on an expectations miss, i would definitely lulu. >> and they do the teen retail survey, so they have a really good sense of what the younger generation is buying, and lulu continues to rank highly, really high for women, second performance brand after nike and climbing the ranks for men or boys. >> teens -- boys or men? >> men's, digital, international, those are all growing at 30 plus percent they're just absolutely crushing it there great company and they got an unbelievable and very, very loyal customer base. >> we have got just over 30 minutes left to trade. we're up near session highs, up about a quarter of 1%. here are the key things driving the action

weak industrial data out of german and the euro zone has and james bullard warning about the possibility of a sharper than expected economic slowdown time now to get a cnbc news update with sue herrera. >> hello, everyone here's what happening at this hour president trump responding monday to the criticisms he's received in the media about his conversations in a july phone call with ukraine's president. saying he is still considering releasing the transcript of that call, though he does have some reservations >> i can do it very easily, but i would rather not do it from the standpoint of all of the other conversations i have i may do it, because it was a very innocent call, on both his part and mine. we had a very nice call. >> french president emmanuel macron reminded his colleagues at the climate action summit monday that they need to include climate change in their trade

and finance policies he added that countries should not import good that increase carbon lupollution. sherrod brown stopped to meet with uae workers. you are up to date that's the news update, guys see you next hour. back downtown to you, wilf >> you will, indeed. let's send it over to mike for his second market dashboard. >> take a look at the performance of something called the deep value etf, dvp. this essentially selects stocks that looking look extremely cheap relative to the market and their own history. it's really suffered here. what i think is interesting, this etf rep balanced just as of friday look at the new top five

holdings in this etf and what you're really going to observe is if you really want cheap, cheap stocks, you'll have to buy things that the market has decided are disrupted businesses largest holding, franklin resources. that's the biggest actively handled. cardinal health. viacom, we know what's going on with all cable media is this dxc merged with hp and macy's essentially, look at how cheap they are relative to the market. you have to make a ebbet that te economy will be good enough and the market has gotten it wrong beating down the values this far, guys. >> what do you think has changed, mike? what's the largest factor that's leading to this resurgence >> yields went up and bank stocks got better. that's the main thing that happened and i think day got too cheap. it's been a moan reversion

trade. and you're not going to find many bags, because the methodology is looking for sustainable long-term earnings trends and cash flows and stuff like that and the analysis doesn't fit that well with traditional banks. >> viacom, six times, you can get your seinfeld there. >> but not streaming cable. >> i just discovered, i did double down on that, you can on their devices on demand, as well >> netflix has the streaming rights -- >> which is a slight separation for the way that netflix advertises the exclusive streamers of that. but there's nuances in it. still ahead, we've got your last chance trade. mark is picking a health care name that's in the red so far this year. we'll reveal his call, coming up and later, speaking of netflix, it's hitting a bit of a rough patch here the streaming giant lower for 2019, down nearly 20% in just the past tleep three months. but why competition could be a good thing for netflix in the long run, when we come back.

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the future of wework's cofounder adam neumann hanging in the balance would that help clear the way for this company's ipo

let's bring in barry oxford who's been critical of wework and published a no last week when the company was supposed to go on the road pretty critical note how much of your thesis had to do with leadership in adam neumann? >> first off, you know, adam did build something, so let's not lose sight of that and there is demand for the wework space and once they're kind of up and running and after about 18 to 24 months, they are profitable as a stand-alone unit now, that being said, where the critics really come in and where i stand and i stand with the critics on is that 1-1 document and the corporate governance slanted so much in his favor yes, i realize he can file as an inside corporation, because you could still choose to have an independent board and an independent compensation structure, which is desperately

needed >> they already made some suggested changes to the s1 if they changed, would you change your view >> i think that's a step in the right direction. we have to bring valuation in on top of nthat i think if we brought in a seasoned ceo, i think that that would help a lot of us wall street analysts saying, okay, we got somebody at the helm who has and is able troun a corporation. >> on the topic of valuation, with things like uber and lyft, a lot of the discussion point was, no one liked this as public with rework, you think that's slight lip different that ree gigis is out there and highlights a drastic divide in terms of valuation >> correct when you look at the multiple, i did a kind of net operating income, not a net income, because you're dealing with

negative numbers when it comes to wework, i looked at the net operating incomes of regis and boston properties and if i give these guys a multiple in between the two. let's go ahead and give wework a little benefit of the doubt, because they have a much higher growth rate than regis that's fine, but i don't think they deserve a boston properties type of multiple, either so you put them in between and i get to somewhere between 8 to $10 billion. >> what would it take for mark to buy this ipo? >> i'm not buying it, no way i've got an issue with the business model in general, right? so you've got a company that's signing all of these long-term leases and then they're subleasing to little, you know, small businesses, maybe one employee kind of companies, on very short-term leases so since 2010, i think it's worked, because the economy has been growing, should the economy start to take a turn down, those are going to be the kind of businesses that aren't going to

be able to make their financial commitments and pay their leases they have had $47 billion of lease obligations and only commitments of $4 billion coming in that's my big issue with this kind of company. >> and we've heard that numerous times from other investors what would happen to this company in a slowdown? >> well, i mean, if we look at what happened to regis back in '08, they wept, i think from about $140 million in profits all the way down top $20 million. so they really got socked. you are correct. this -- if the wind comes into their face with a recession and the amount of money that they're burning right now, i mean, i don't want to say anything so drastic, but this company is going to start to teeter >> on that point, barry, you've looked at the curb burn and the current cash balance, how long have they got left if there's no other source of funding that comes through? likely there would be, but if there wasn't >> if there's not, i don't even think they could complete what they have in progress, never mind sign another lease and

start with the improvements that are needed >> and you think any fund-raising they do secure should be in the $8 billion $to $10 billion range? >> i think they'll need the ipo money and the $6 billion line of credit >> you think ultimately they'll pull it off if he exits an ipo >> i think it's got a much better chance, if we change the corporate governance and we get a new ceo in at the head who has ceo experience, and to mark's point, we've got to keep the debt level low if the wind comes into their face, at the bare bones minimum need to keep to the lease obligations. not have debt obligations on top of that. >> barry oxford, thank you for joining us >> great, thank you. still to come, incoming ecb president christine lagarde gets candid about trade >> does china treat?

>> you know, nobody cheats skperand everybody cheats let's face it. >> we'll have more from that interview coming up. and shares of netflix are down more than 20% over the last six months we'll look at what's next for the company and if it's losing its edge we're back in a couple of minutes. don't get mad. get e*trade, dawg.

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♪ welcome back 15 minutes until the close let's check in on some individual market movers acadia is trading higher that stock up 2.4% shares of the real real also higher on a positive report from behrens over the weekend behrens calling it one of the year's more under the radar ipos, saying it is actually seeing a high percentage of repeat buyers and trades at a discount to other online marketplace firms. that stock up 2.75%. we have just under 15 minutes left to go of trade. shares of netflix lower today, as competition in the streaming

war heats up and the stock has now turned negative for the year as a whole. let's bring in analyst at rosenblatt securities. before i come to you, bernie, your view, that point, down 30% since july, down year-to-date, is that justified in your eyes >> i think the valuation has come down because of all of this new competition, right you've got disney plus, but at the end of the day, we don't think that it's -- that streaming is a one-company-take-all kind of market we think you can have several winners exist. a lot of people are going to sign up for disney plus and netflix. and i really think it all boils down to the quality of the content. netflix has some engaging content, right yes, streaming is a trend that's going to continue to play out, but binge watching, in my opinion, is the most important trend. that's the addictive trend, and that's what netflix brings to the table, is that addictive content that people want to sit in front of their tvs and watch it over and over and over again.

and they got the "breaking bad" movie, let's face it that's going to be a winner. >> why has the tide turned for netflix's stock? how much has to do with the competition? >> it's really on revenue growth expectations this is a company where it was trading at seven times revenue, but all of a sudden off 40% miss on the quarter, and people are looking at instead of 30% growth on the top line, you could be looking at high teens. this is a stock that's traded at four times revenue not that long ago. that would put the stock at 200. i think that's a reasonable bear case to go from here >> you still have a $330 price target how much of that is contingent on them being able to rise -- increase prices in the future at some point >> we think they're definitely going to take a pause near-term in any massive price increase. the price increase they substitute e instituted this year is the greatest they've ever had. but with global subscriber growth slowing, pricing will matter more and more you should see the mid-single digit price increases, instead of the 20% rate increase they

took last year >> we had the emmys last night, how much of the recognition that netflix gets or does not get and loses to someone like an hbo actually matter for subscriber growth >> look, shows matter. and that's what you saw this past quarter "stranger things" was july 4th i would expect if the company had to redo the quarter again, they would have done "stranger things" that last week of june and maybe we would be thinking about netflix different than we are now. content matters. disney has contents with "star wars" and they should be able to transition nicely to the "star wars" model. >> just on the netflix point, you mentioned subscriber growth. subscribers fell in the u.s., which was one of the big factors for the share price decline since july if that happened again this quarter, how much would you be cutting your price target or how much do you think the shares would drop >> q2 is seasonally weak for the company, so we wouldn't expect a domestic to go negative, but we have million subscribers globally for the company and 3q, 8 million

globally, and 4q, that's 15% below consensus. and if we think consensus you would be looking at high-teens growth sooner rather than later, that's when you can see the revenue multiple come in even more the problem with netflix is they're spending $15 billion on content, that's negative $3.5 billion of cash flow that's why the revenue matters so much. >> but just to my question, if u.s. subs did fall again, three quarters in a row, how much would that spook the market? >> i think stocks are down 30% since earnings i think it would have another similar impact that would be even worse than what happened in q2? >> especially with that content slate, too there's a much stronger content slate this quarter, right? >> yes, "stranger things"? >> "orange is the new black. >> bernie, great discussion. thanks so much for joining us. >> still to come, we have your last chance trade. >> plus, our exclusive interview with the head of the ctfc. he'll join us to weigh in on

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bucks. we think fair value is in the $75 to 90 rake basically, what you're going with cvs is you're getting the same business model that united health has, which is like the gold standard at a 40% valuation discount cvs has been breaking out in absolute terms since june or july and now it's outperforming united health as well. we think there's great opportunity with this one. >> and larry murlow joined us on "closing bell" to talk about the strategy and i just wonder if investors are getting it more. because first, i think there was confusion. they were in everything. they were in the pbms, in retail, consumer, in the health insurers and all of those were sort of fraught with risks it feels like things have changed in terms of perception >> i agree, united health, like i said, is the gold standard and everyone seems to want to copy that business model. and cvs just has some great plans in store right now they're looking to convert 15% of their stores to these health hub units where you can get x-rays done and stuff like that. it's a really cool business

model. >> all right, cvs health six minutes to go to the close let's do the closing countdown and trade this close with mike lewis with barclays. another strong session we're off the highs, still higher with the dow up 27. mike, what are you watching here into the close and what are the dynamics at play today >> well, today, the volumes are really light and it seems like the path of at least resistance, at least for the near-term, given that we're kind of in between data points and waiting on earnings to start is probably higher so it's very likely we're grinding higher, but in my opinion, you're likely to be selling this higher, maybe into 3,000 most of this support is coming from the systemic community, but when you look at, we had a major transportation company last week, released earnings and cut guidance the last time they did that, it was not good news for the market the data we got out of germany this morning, south korea.

so on the one hand, on the fundamental sigh, a real slowdown in global growth. and then i just think when earnings come out, you're really going to see the ramifications of the trade war take place. and i think you should be selling this and are probably due for a pullback >> what about the rotation underneath the theme underneath the headline is that rotation that we saw recently ceased? >> yeah, that was a couple of weeks ago we had a big, big move kind of out of the momentum names into value and kind of under the their own cyclical type names that was more tactical and while we have been seeing this, that's something that will continue over the course of the next three to six quarters so the next year to year and a half so breadth is very narrow and positioning is very crowded. but the peak of that kind of capitulation, which we saw, probably more tactical in

nature i'm not looking for anything like that in the near-term >> okay, mike, thanks for joining us great to see you in the meantime, let's get over for the third installment of the dashboard with mike santoli. >> kind of a delicate balance here this market continues to hover right below those highs that we saw back in july take a look at the breadth for today. this actually started off pretty decidedly negative this morning and it has improved and ground its way higher this shows you, there's still that kind of quiet underlying bid to the market. it's been a theme for the last six or seven sessions at least, even though there's not been a lot of progress on the headline indexes. take a look at the ap for the last year, puts it in a little bit of context here we are, side wooinding for the last couple of weeks and perhaps trading water, you get tired of treading water sometimes. i would point to a couple of instances of that where it did happen not to say you have a big pullback, but that's the danger to the downside, you're using up energy to stay in place.

i would say as long as weapon don't break those highs of the prior august range, probably if decent shape and it would be a routine pullback if we get them. let's get out to chicago with rick santelli. >> the long end is leading the rest of the curve to higher yields if you look at intradays of 10s, we're hovering at 171, some of the best levels of our time zone this is volatility for ten-year sector of the curve. you can see, we've really come off the spikes there's a lot less tension than there was during some of this volatile activity over the last several weeks. finally, the dollar index, since the beginning of september, we touched the 28-month high and it's been a saw tooth pattern. bertha, we're losing our bid in the nasdaq >> in some ways, we are seeing some of the same pattern we have seen for much of the month, rick chips today are the strongest performers in terms of tech and they have pretty much led this month. but not with much conviction not much volume there in terms of the chip trade. as far as communications, they

have been the laggards and today, they continue to lack, as you see netflix give up all of its year's gains. it was up 46% at one point and amazon to the getting much of a bounce after that big win for "fleabag." but some of those names like ulta are down something like 32 percent for the month >> and retail is really strong we are fading into the close, but amex had an interesting announcement in the middle of the day. look at that pop there from amex $120 million share buyback that's almost 150% of the shares outstanding, assuming they don't dilute it with more options out there. amex is one of these big buyback monsters, they bought back maybe 30% of their shares since 2011 microsoft did within last week, a big buyback. target did a big buyback as well gold was up. gold stocks were up, but so were

the more cyclical groups like elms and retail. metals and mining, oil service stocks, all cyclicals to the upside we were up nicely on the day, but essentially flat dow is up 24 s&p 500, up less than a point. >> lost some steam there in the close. i'm sara eisen >> and i'm wilfred frost alongside mike santoli the dow, s&p, nasdaq, let's check in they all closed in negatory. actually, the dow did not, just up six basis points. s&p and nasdaq, just lower saw about a quarter percent of gains slip but for that final 15 to 20 minutes of trade, but we were still well off the lows of the session, which was down 104 points on the dow. those lows coming in the morning alongside selling around the rest of the world. >> and keep in mind, we're 1.1%

off of a record high for the s&p 500. what stood out to me is there was strength in the companies that have been doing really well this year. and especially in the consumer space and retail all-time highs for names like procter and kbsk& gamble, dolla, walmart. whether it's a story of where the companies are trading continues to be a bid and staples were pretty strong today in general >> i've got the ten-year over in germany over the last ten days, because i think the key story today was that softer data out of europe. and even though we'd seen yields start to rise, that trend has turned around the last two or three sessions and i think that set the day off with a more bearish turns. but once europe closed, we did see improving sentiment in u.s. markets. >> joining us to talk about what happened today, mark tepper still here, ceo of strategic wealth partners and alicia levine joins the conversation.

she's strategist at bny mellen investment management. but first, mike, on whether u.s. stocks will continue to brush off these global growth concerns today emanating from europe. >> the quiet really remains the story. and it's no accident that the market firmed up as europe closed and also, bond yields in the u.s. ticked slightly up from that moment, too can it continue like that? as long as the u.s. data holds up, it probably can for a while right now. i think the fact that the market has been willing to look through this period where there are about that many identifiable catalysts. the market has been willing to say we may get more help from the fed if we need it. that seems okay for now. but we're using up a lot of energy to stand still in terms of the broad index we have to see if that breaks one way or the other before we get an excuse to have some better news. >> that is such a mike santoliism >> it's true >> we're using up a lot of energy to stand still. >> what does that mean

>> it means that you're soaking up a lot of the demand for stocks and not really making progress in the overall indexes. you can look at it two ways. you can basically say, fine, that's fine. we're resting and gathering up a little bit of energy to move higher, but it does take energy. >> also very applicable to when i go on the treadmill. i feel like -- very tiring unbelievably disappointing results. >> that's like me right now, it takes a lot of energy to stay still. it's apt >> back to the eurozone data, where do you stand on if that's a factor for u.s. equities >> if i can add another metaphor, this market is like boiling the frog slowly. another hit to fundamentals and yet the market is 1% off the highs. this is what we're expecting we're expecting to see germany in a recession and probably expecting some fiscal impetus coming out of the european countries. and i would say that's baked

into the market. interestingly, france is up 21% this year. the european markets are up just like the s&p, about 20% this year, which is telling you that pretty much the bad news is baked in here in the u.s., the citi economics is ticking upwards and that's why you see housing ticking up as well >> last week you looked to the market breadth >> it hit an all-time high last week, wednesday or thursday. today, breadth was positive again. it sort of flattened out that means the overall index remains reasonably well supported. very often like last september, 2018, breadth gave way i think that's one of the things the bulls are pinning their hopes on >> in terms of sector importance, consumer staples and consumer discretionary did have a good day is this still going to be

largely defined by what bond yields do based on where we see the sector strength and weakness >> i think that's definitely irrelevant for consumer staples. consumer discretionary on the other hand, it's really just because the entire world is relying on the consumer to keep this thing going and you mentioned walmart, dollar tree. we own walmart and dollar general, t.j. maxx so buying preferences have changed t chang changed. the consumer is more price conscious. that's why the dollar trees and t.j. maxxes is all working >> yields did pick up and coming down does that mean you can't buy the banks? >> i think you do buy the banks. we expect another 25-basis point point this year and if that

happens, you'll increase the long end eventually. >> what if that doesn't happen for the broader market does the market get spooked or is trade a bigger factor in terms of the binary influences on equities? >> if the fed doesn't, it could spook the market global monetary policy supported all of these markets when the fundamental data has been pretty lousy. on the other hand, the lower rates have increased what's going on in the housing markets. you've seen more confidence in the consumers. it's definitely working here in the u.s. and we are, in fact, supporting the rest of the world in terms of growth. >> so we hear that a lot the fed has the market's back, don't fight the fed, the fed is in play. does that mean with 20% gains so far this year in the s&p 500, the downside is limited, still >> it seems like that equation works for now, it does and you're seeing people de-emphasize the earnings growth story. i don't think expectations are particularly high for earnings growth going into next year.

right now the published estimates for the third quarter are for a decline. that's the way it looked for the last two quarters. so all of a sudden you've gone through this nine-month period where you've nursed your way through an earnings plateau or -- >> so fed trumps earnings. >> well, earnings is okay as long as the fed is doing what it's doing and you have bond yields more than a percent below where they were a year ago >> but trade is a wild card. >> and the fed story is very bound up with trade. some would argue that you probably need a bad surprise on trade to make sure the fed cuts again. >> mark, unarea we had seen stocks catch up and that's now paused is small caps where do you stand on that >> we would pumuch rather prefer long caps. in long secular bull markets, small caps tend to underperform toward the end of the cycle. all of the best-performing small

caps have graduated to midcap. all the best-performing midcaps have graduated to large cap. you're left with these companies in small cap space, i think 36% of them aren't even generating any positive earnings. so we would much rather be in large caps right now >> alicia, before we go, we want to get your thoughts on health care worst-performing group, unh. has unh become the 2020 election stock? >> yes you cannot separate the general health care sector from what's going on both for the republicans and the democrats. the tool sector is fine and the discovery sector is fine but pharmaceuticals, biotech, and services are really under effect from both sides >> and insurance, too. >> and the administration and pelosi are going to cut a deal soon on drug prices and it's not good >> also, it feels like every time elizabeth warren kbans in the polls, those insurance companies sell off

is that the right move >> to the extent that elizabeth warren is the nominee and to the extent that the conversation stays the same, you're going to see trouble in the market in 2020 now, if she tucks to the center, you're okay. but the conversation could be very difficult for a bunch of sectors here, including tech >> guys, we'll leave it there. mark and alicia, huathank you bh very much. coming up, incoming ecb president christine laguard tells us whether europe has the political will to make changes necessary to turn that economy around >> it's often the case with europe that you despair of europe and you think, oh, when are they going to get their act together things happen a different pace in europe. because you simply have for the eurozone only, 19 governments that have to come together >> we'll also get her thoughts on whether a trade deal between the u.s. and china can be reached. "closing bell" back in 90 seconds. orlando isn't just the theme park capital of the world,

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transports were weak today the shippers and the logistics companies have not had a good time of it, ever since fedex did their earnings announcement. that was a big disappointment a few days ago buyback story continues. remember, microsoft last week, big buyback, target, big buyback. towards the close toth, american express, $125 million buyback. remember, amex has been a huge buyback monster for the last five or six years. guys, back to you. >> bob, thanks nasdaq closing lower for a second day in a row. bertha coombs has the details. >> it's for the third day in four, just edging lower. part of the reason we're not getting that big oomph from the tech sectors today you had apple and alphabet providing the upside, but they were waited down and offset by facebook and amazon. for the quarter, apple and alphabet have really been the outperformers, both with double-digit gains and when you take a look at the sectors, we're seeing the strength in chips, in hardware,

software, the communications are lagging. software after having been so strong is now just flat. among the biggest losers are the chinese internet names, as we continue to see signs of slowing economy in china those names are dragging today and for the quarter, down double digits in many cases back over to you >> bertha, thanks so much for that now pressure mounting on wework the company postponing its highly anticipated ipo and new reports today that ceo adam neumann's role at wework is in flux. he previously worked with start-ups including kpcompass. also with us, jonathan kiden, founder of torch capital, whose portfolio includes companies like sweet greens and acorns good afternoon to you both jonathan what was the headline error here in this ipo process management structures or deeper than that? >> i think it was deeper than that it was a mix of management

structures and governance was clearly failing. but also, too much leeway given to a visionary, but let minimum go that past that point. we're still finding out where all the pieces lie but as the company grew, there would be an echo chamber that really enabled no sort of proper structure, governance and controls to be adhered to, which enabled them to get to where they are now >> which sort of raises a question, david, about whether the bar is high enough for private investors. is there a big gap between what private investors are willing to put their money on and what public investors are so typically, in a situation like this, the last round before an ipo process is in some ways a consensus that includes investors that are spending a lot of time in the markets, fidelities, wellington, et cetera many of those firms investored in earlier rounds of wework,

liking the growth story and potential, but were not part of the shift from a $20 billion company to $47 billion, which was really driven by softbank. it so meant that there was ant consensus on that valuation and a bit of a challenge now of trying to figure out where the public market ought to value it. >> the same bankers are involved in the private round as trying to get the public round off. where do they stand in terms of the level of blame for letting this go so far down a sort of disappointing path >> you would think the bankers are the experts and they're the ones who are spoe s who are sue leading this process how they let an s1 get out with these clearly massive issues that investors were going to take and still let the process run forward. you wonder -- just on the process side, it seems to be a big failure, because it shouldn't have come out at the time of the s-1, this should have come out well before. if you think of uber where they had their issues they spent two years cleaning up theybrought in a new ceo, took

action, and spent two years making sure the public markets were very clear, where all the issues were, spotlighting the corners and doing this in realtime in seven days is clearly a recipe for disaster. and you think of the two most experienced banks in the business would have had a chance to foresee that. >> does this experience ripple out throw other companies? there's been this tendency to see these deals as a one by one. if the business model of wework really had a lot of confidence among public investors and the governance was fine or vice versa, if one or the other worked, it might be a different story. so is there a chilling effect or is it a one-off? >> i don't think we've seen that data dog went out last week, incredibly successful ipo, overscribed, huge pop. i think we're seeing a wide dispersion in the outcomes of the ipos in the past month so hard to predict for investors before what's going to happen, but there definitely is a number of very positive stories in addition to some that are

perhaps scarier. >> does it change the perception of softbank which is trying to raise its second vision fund >> i think that's to be determined, in the same way this is a story of one very key stakeholder and what they're going to do, that one, there are specific lps that are really important to the composition of softbank, so i think it's a handful of people not a broad market consensus as to what softbank vision 2 looks like up next, incoming ecb president christine lagarde tells wushat she sees as the biggest threat right now facing the global economy

i'm announcing my candidacy. i'm not leaving office as ministry of finance for france it is now for the membership to decide and i'll leave it to their wisdom, their judgment >> the international monetary fund has today selected christine lagarde. >> madame managing director. >> thank you very much bonjour. good morning to all. it's very, very nice to be back in washington. >> and it's great to have you here, madame lagarde, and good to see you again >> lovely to be with you >> that was a few hairstyles

ago. christine lagarde back in 2011 when she was named managing director of the imf and one of my early interviews with her she's now heading to frankfort to be the president of the european central bank, one of the most powerful central banks in the world at a pivotal time in europe' history, facing recession, brexit, and ongoing trade uncertainty. i did sit down with christine lagarde on friday, asked about trade, china, and its impact on growth right now >> you know what concerns me at the moment that trade instead of being that big window of opportunities for those economies that want to compete with each other, it weighs hike a big dark cloud on the global economy. and based on the latest calculation of the imf, if the tariffs that are either here already or threatened to be applied were applied, we're talking about reducing global growth by 0.8% that's a massive number.

you know, growth forecast for next year is 3.5%, you take out 0.8, that hurts. it's few jobs, it's less business going on, it's less investment, it's more uncertainty. >> could it take us into a global recession >> recession is not always in the imf baseline, but the longer this lingers, the more uncertainty sinks in and if you're an investor, if you're an enterprise, whether small medium size or big, you're not going to invest, you're going to wait you're going to sit and wonder where the supply chains are going to be organized. where the big markets or opportunities will be and how much the tariffs will apply. >> so you've been at a lot of these meetings, the g-20, there have been breakthroughs, there have been setbacks, there have been tariffs what's your expectation at this point of whether we'll see a deal between the u.s. and china by the election next year? >> well, first of all, you're

comparing a unilateral dialogue at g-20 level and a bilateral discussion that is taking place between two largest economies in the world. i very, very much hope that there is a deal, whether it's partial or complete or in process, between the united states and china, because it would not necessarily yet remove entirely the cloud, but give hope to all operators that the cloud is being addressed and that hopefully it will be removed. >> do you feel that trade is the biggest hurdle right now for the global economy the biggest risk >> i think trade -- thread against trade at the moment is the biggest hurdle for the global economy, yes, indeed. >> you know, president trump has also threatened europe and has accused europe of protectionist measures if he moves on from china and goes to europe and starts a fight with tariffs to try to get better terms, would the european economy be able to handle that >> you know what's comforting is that ever since last july, there has been this ongoing dialogue

between the united states and europe in order to address some of the issues that they have in terms of access, in terms of protectionism, in terms of whatever each party sees as preventing it from accessing the market and i hope that that continues and that that it's a fruitful and productivity dialogue. europe and the united states have been friends for decades and centuries. have often, you know, been on the same side of the battlefield and have rescued each other on many occasions and i'm very grateful to the united states for that it's not a relationship that should turn into any kind of trade war at all >> that's another thing that you've dope is actually you've managed to keep the imf off of president trump's radar and off of his twitter feed, where he's often gone after multilateral organizations like it. how have you done that >> i think that authorities in general and president trump is

included, see value in what we do, and, you know, we don't brag about the fact that we are a multilateral constitutiinstituti like to brag about the fact that we're helpful to the membership, that we have addressed special circumstances, that we stand ready to help countries like jordan, ukraine, or egypt, or any country that is a member of the imf and needs help >> so i've covered you obviously over the years i think our first interview is when i accompanied you to sendai, japan, near fukushima. >> yes >> we actually talked about europe, but what i was going to say is i think one of the contributions and the common themes of your leadership has been bringing asia in closer to the imf, especially china, sdr as one example how do you think about whether that was productive? and did you set out to do that >> you know, when i joined the imf, i was convinced that the

institution had to be for the entire membership. and clearly one of the large rising economic powers in the world was china and i've always also taken the view that you're better off including then excluding. so i reached out to china, that is true. to bring them to the table to make sure that they were participants in the decision making processes that they would be willing to play by the rules. that they would gradually open up their capital account we're not there yet, but it's something that's making progress that the currency would be part of that basket of internationally traded currencies that are regarded as, you know, international currencies, really by central banks. >> does china cheat? >> you know, nobody cheats and everybody cheats, let's face it.

because while everybody plays the global tune and we'll talk about international trade, every country is also in that game for themselves because at the end of the day, people will look after their constituents it's not a question of cheating or not cheating. it's a question of adopting sets of rules that everybody can play with and that will not be damaging for its domestic base >> is china manipulating its currency >> this is something that the imf looks at very carefully. the latest article that we did about china concludes that it's generally aligned with the fundamentals of the chinese economy. >> christine lagarde there, incoming ecb chief sort of being diplomatic, i would say, when it comes to the

u.s./china trade relationship. she did work very hard to bring china to the imf, which is why i wanted to ask her, you know, whether there was validity to some of the claims, certainly you hear from u.s., in both parties right now, that they're an economiced ed adversary, she wouldn't go there, but she says, everybody cheats >> that was quite a revolution and goes on to say, it's about the rules that would reign it in >> and as far as europe, you know, earlier on "squawk on the street," we heard from her a lot. i asked whether a sovereign debt crisis could happen again in europe and got a window into how she's thinking says, there's motion towards a banking union, common capital markets and offers by markets to stimulate their economies. everything that wall street says europe needs to do, but i think it gives you a peek into how she's going to look at her role of the ecb president, way more

political and consensus building and way more toward a common gold, which could help the economy in a way, maybe more than negative interest rates or qe >> i'm glad you brought that up. i that was the standout point in terms of how tough a role she has coming on. and i think there's a consensus that is moving towards fiscal stimulus, the third of those three things that she said was needed to avoid a bank crisis. that's the macron vision for the future and it once was the merkel vision too, but i don't think she's got the power and the authority to deliver it at the moment so lagarde has a huge political role if she's going to make that the common consensus view that is needed so the rest of the economies and governments can get behind it. but there's a long way to go, with i think, before that gets enacted. >> just a hint of a turn on the fiscal side i think would propel markets in a direction they're not prepared for in a positive way. >> i think it propels markets, but does it solve the short-term economic problems and the long-term financial and monetary

problems >> it was telling, she answered it in almost three different ways one when i said, do central bankers have the tools she said, a lot has to be on the fiscal authorities perhaps that might have more heft coming from her, as someone with good relationships. and when i asked her what her biggest challenge is going, as incoming ecb president, she said, building consensus and working together she said, i'm known for that and that's what i have to do so that gives you a sense of some of the measures he'll have to convince all of the governments, what, almost 20 of them to figure out >> that was an interesting slip of the tongue, she said the 19 members of the eu, and then she said, the eurozone >> that's her purview right now. >> it was a fair slip of the tongue but ecb, different thing great interview, though. >> thank you good to hear from her. up next, we will break down the cans to see if new concerns

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we need to restore what we have lost and we need to defund the mechanisms, the perverse tax subsidies, the lending policies, and the institutional investments that fuel deforestuation >> with flu season here, medical experts are worried about the effects vaping could have on the lungs. some now say e-cigarette usage could make people more susceptible to contracting influenza, adding that using e-cigarettes may lead to a weaker immune system and holiday shoppers are expected to spend about 5% more this season than last year that's according to a new online survey from the harris poll. but that may not mean bigger crowds at the mall, because the survey found that 53% of all holiday shopping is expected to be done online can't believe we're almost there. that's the news update this hour sarah, i'll send it back downtown to you. >> yeah, does feel early

sue, thanks. let's send it over to mike santoli for a final dashboard of the day. thanks for making the theme nice and easy for us today. >> sometimes the calendar gives you a little bit of a hint second spring is what you sometimes call fall. take a look at one of these broad gauges of the u.s. macro economy. chicago fed's national activity index that got updated this morning, this is 85 different measures of economic activity. it's very comprehensive. it's weighted to show the general trend in growth. what you see here is a recent little downturn and a little bounce in activity, back toward the zero line. the zero line is where it's supposed to be kind of the normal growth rate, not zero growth, but something like a neutral level of growth, somewhere around 2%. so what i'm also looking at here is what's happened before previous recessions. obviously, that's the worst recession in generations but if you look at even the mor garden variety sessions here in the early '90s and early 2000s, you have a much deeper drop and this is starting to look more

like the mid-90s and even these other pullbacks. so, this fits in with this idea that the macro is kind of bouncing off of relatively subdued levels not yet saying what the bond market has hinted at, which is the clockdown clock to a recession is starting. >> second spring or autumn are the terms for fall but they're all usable mike, thank you. we have a news alert on lockheed martin rahel solomon has the details. >> nasa just announcing that it is partnering with lockheed martin for its orion spacecraft missions the contract for colorado-based lockheed martin is worth $4.6 billion. it will start with three spacecraft initially, three in 2020, and up to six additionally by the end of the contract 2030. nasa saying this is all part of building a sustainable presence on the moon. pretty cool. sarah, back to you

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the new york stock exchange officially betting on bitcoin. i.c.e. launching its long-awaited future bitcoin last night after months of regulatory delays joining us now, heath tarbert. >> thank you very much for having me. >> lots of debate as to whether this should be something that's fully authorized and regular utilitied or whether it's more of a sort of dark asset. where do you stand on that and the posimportance of having pro rules and regulations? >> very much want proper rules and regulations. what i believe the block chain technology behind bitcoin and other digital assets has a lot of promise and i would hate to see a country such as china or another strategic competitor advance

farther along than us because we don't have the proper regulatory framework. >> so bitcoin itself a commodity, a currency, or something different altogether >> to some extent, it's a legal question and under our statute, a currency is very broadly defined. in most cases, most digital assets are commodity, but defined as a commodity under our statute. hence, we have regulation over the futures contracts. >> how much demand is there for bitcoin futures and different products and coydo you only see that dem when the price goes up >> it's a great question it's definitely that the demand is far below what we see for other commodity classes. it's still small at this point, but i think we see it growing. >> you've partnered recently with the doj in terms of some investigations into some potential accusations of spoofing and market manipulation by commodities traders, the allegations of the traders are not at the banks necessarily i listened to the call from the doj recently on that and they talked up a lot about big data

and ai as being something that was used to track the accused wrongdoing in these cases how important is that to a tool to you guys and does it mean that in the future it would be very, very hard for traders to break the rules on the increase in data that you have? >> yes, absolutely it's very important and i think what you're going to see is a new area in cftc enforcement relying on big data and relying also on partnerships with the fbi, department of justice, as well as other regulators that's something we're going to be continuing to do in the future since i came about 60 days ago, we've already brought or settled 21 enforcement cases >> what are the ideas in the rou rounds of regulations is that a lot of activity would be migrated over to enisted futures market as well as over the counter. has that happened? has it been a constructive development. do you feel like you have a good window on all that's out there in terms of, you know, risks that's being taken in the

system >> we feel that we do have a good window and a lot has in fact moved from the uncleared space to the cleared space that said, we still have very large otc markets and we're continuing to improve the reporting in those areas >> clearing of derivatives has been a big area of focus around brexit and whether things would continue to go smoothly. some temporary regulations have been passed, so that it can continue what's your take on that do you think the banks are ready or could there become some major sort of outages in volatility around brexit? >> in the cleared space, it's very important that the eu recognize the eu clearing houses, because if they don't, 90 days before that, themember of those clearinghouses will have to leave. we've worked constructively with the europeans and the british to make sure that happens >> president trump really campaigned on deregulation and making it easier for banks and sort of loosening regulations post-crisis. do you feel that's part of your mandate? and if so, have you moved in that direction >> one of the things we're seeking to do is recalibrate

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rnch welcome back the latest round of tariffs hitting a number of products from clothing to electronics but a higher tariff doesn't always mean you'll pay a higher price courtney reagan explains >> if you want to find out how retail is handling tariffs, you have to brush up on your economics 101. typically, raising prices is going to be the last option, but if that's the case, it doesn't necessarily mean that the tariffed goods are the ones that end up with higher prices than stores why not? it's largely determined by price elasticity that's the economic theory that connects price and quantity with demand so i'm going to play my professor here and i'm going to draw the demand curve. if you have an item that's particularly price elastic at a higher price, a consumer is going to buy fewer number of those goods. let's call it one right here so that's going to be harder for

a retailer to raise prices on those items. however, there are items that are less price elastic so when the price goes up, the quantity stays about the same or perhaps similar. that's where they're going to want to take price increase. there is such a thing, of course, as perfectly inelastic, but that's going to be a good like insulin or milk you're going to pay whatever price it is and you're not going to change your quantity based on that price so what retailers are going through this well, home depot is actually using this theory to deal with tariff costs they call it the portfolio approach, but they actually have used the word elasticity in how they explain it. its merchants are determine chg products consumers are willing to spend more for, and that's where they're going to take the price increase even if that product isn't actually subject to a tariff williams sonoma ceo said at a goldman sachs conference earlier this month, it increased prices on select items and customers handled it well, leading the company to determine it actually

had more pricing power than it even realized in certain areas macy's now actually had a different experience though in recent months. ceo jeff gennette said it tried price increases on some housewares, luggage, and customer but its customer had very little appetite for those price increases, suggesting that the items it picked were actually more price elastic than macy's realized. >> might have given them some flexibility. courtney reagan, thank you up next, what could a potential rrwaen presidency look like for the economy and the market we'll discuss when "closing bell" comes right back w i didn't know geico helps with renters insurance. yeah, and we could save a bunch too. antonio! fetch computer! antonio? i'll get it. get to know geico and see how much you could save on renters insurance.

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the president's u.n. address geopolitical risks, market impact, insight on the trump agenda and how investors should play it now. "squawk on the street" at 10:00 a.m. a new poll shows elizabeth warren is the top choice for the democratic presidential nomination in iowa the des moines register/cnn poll shows 22% of likely democratic caucus caucusesgoers support her. joe scarborough stays second. >> this follows comments from omega advisers, leon cooperman to our scott wapner saying a warren presidency would be bad for the market >> right now the market assuming donald trump is re-elected, if it looks like elizabeth warren is a credible or bernie sanders is credible, the market will be lower, not higher. i think she would be a bad

market and bad markets generally go on for a year and go down 25%. >> could be that severe? >> i would say -- i would say basically her policies are counterproductive. they're negative for capitalism. >> for more let's bring in libby cantrell head of public policy at pimco it's early we know. but how much concern like that from cooperman are you getting from your clients? >> i actually was in a client meeting and it was the number one question, what was your outlook for 2020 it's early days. to put context in it, in the 2008 cycle around this time fred thompson, rudy giuliani were polling ahead. in 2012, wick perry was pulling ahead at this time so it is very early days and importantly we shouldn't extrapolate so much in terms of polling in iowa remember, senator ted cruz won the iowa caucuses in 2016.

mike huckabee won in 2008. rick santorum won in 2012. it's notable we should certainly take it as new information but it's super early and too early to extrapolate policy or market implication. >> news to hit from the u.n. general assembly president trump was just asked sort of related topic about the chinese delegation's canceled trip to u.s. farms an deferred to secretary mnuchin listen to this >> that was actually at our request they did delayed that. we didn't want there to be confusion. they started buying agriculture. they're going to reschedule that in a different time. but that was truly at our request. >> why is it at our request? >> we didn't want confusion. >> i want them to buy farm product. >> there was no confusion. we want them to buy agriculture. they committed to buy agriculture. >> exchange there between secretary mnuchin and president

trump. is that something for the market to worry about. >> secretary mnuchin's account is what we understand as well. this was ustr and treasury request as well. the optics of the chinese going to u.s. farms and maybe perceived as tinkering with domestic politics. with that said, you know, from what we understand, the deputy negotiations on thursday and friday, while, you know, collegial, did not necessarily address the big structural issues that led to the breakdown in talks in may. so, you know, you worry once again is the market kind of getting over their skis and overestimating this sort of truce or extrapolating that into settlement when, you know, these big issues, these sort of big underlying issues remain. >> fascinating insight into the relationship between the president and his cabinet members. baaing to the question of potential democratic presidential candidate warren, do you expect that she would tax center once she's won the

nomination in a traditional mold of party or -- >> look, i think she has to, right, because if you look at the polling right now, on many of her problems the majority of americans, the vast majority of americans don't approve of them. medicare for all, taking away private insurance option, you know, health care for illegal immigrants, what have you, so i think invariably she would have to tack to the center. it's just a question has she gone so left and can she actually do that credibly? and will that necessarily win over independents is a big question very early days to even talk about elizabeth warren as a presidential nominee. >> libby, great discussion even if it's early. >> we'll have you back before the election. >> perfect >> probably and -- >> 14 months away, guys. >> we've got 30 seconds left mike, slippage for the last 15 minutes of trade but flat and much better than -- >> obviously flat has been the rule for -- since the beginning of last week and think the market is kind of holding in

here bond yields not giving much clearance for renewed rally but seems like right now the overseas data has controlled the narrative. >> we'll get more to chew on tomorrow especially as it relates to earnings season nike reports after the bell. that is always going to be a good look at many how the economy can hold up and that sort of thick. >> thanks for watching "closing bell." >> "fast money" byes now. >> live from the nasdaq marketsite overlooking times square, i'm melissa lee. traders are tim, brian, steve and guy. there is new trouble brewing in ipo land one of wework's biggest investors say we won't work as things stand right now we have all the details, plus, copying the tape the one retail stock stretching higher thanks to an upgrade. a battle in the wizarding world of silicon valley. the wands are out between