>> announcer: live from new york where business never sleeps. this is "squawk box. >> good morning. we are live at the nasdaq market at times square. the dow plunging almost 500 points bringing the october decline to 838 points. now down 3.1%. it remains up 11.8% for the year if you are looking over the last two sessions, the dow lot of about 85% of its gains s&p lost about 63% of its gains. people watching closely to figure out what next we'll hear. taking a look at futures at this point. all in the green but the dow futures up by 27 points.

s&p up by 3 and the nasdaq up by 13 in germany, they are closed for a national holiday the ftse is down about a third of a percentage point. you'll see this morning, the 10-year is yielding 1.582% the two-year down 1.47%. breaking news. taking place overnight lamb indicating a new plan that will invoke a power law. the city will ban masks protesters have used to protect

themselves from tear gas or to hide their identities. all of this happening within the last several hours >> pepsi co coming in better than expected. revenue coming in up organic revenue growth and pepsico expects to meet or exceed revenue growth. it looks like better than expected across the board. >> some of these have such nice multiples. they keep doing it >> in manufacturing and other areas. >> don't want it to be like days of general electric.

remember when coke was 40 or 50 times? >> pepsi is trading at 4.85 times. price to earnings ratio of four times. >> thinking about your story there about the masks. we'll have a guest on later who described a recent trip and how everything is so advanced. there are facial recognition cameras everywhere there are no criminals because they are all hiding. >> i used to worry with your license plate, police now can drive by and take a picture. >> they don't even have to take a picture. it goes off. it will go off if you have outstanding warrants is that the future with facial

recognition? >> yes the problem is not just for criminals but for any political statement you make >> i would never do that but it is a scarey future. really interesting they have a depopulation they don't have enough workers >> that's what happens when you have a one-child policy. >> we are going to have a population soon. that is coming to a movie theater near you >> if you have kids, you know, all you'll ever do is deal with your children. buts that fine >> that's what we want >> it is great >> the trade war releasing a list of goods from the eu.

interesting that the wto gave the go ahead on this we have the cover there. president trump released a $7.5 billion award saying we've been treated badly with trade a nice victory willem marx joins us now you going to stop these now that you are busted >> the wto arbitrators have said this is not allowed. the european commission, you may not be surprised to know not thrilled at the prospect a few months from now, there will be a wto victory against them and boeing.

in terms of the european reaction, they say they will have no other option but to retaliate and move ahead they say the tariffs are counterproductive. french leader saying they would be an error. because of the timing, they have talked about an idea to use all of these rulings before that boeing ruling which may no happen until the spring. they are not surprised by this u.s. move but nonetheless disappointed >> thank you willem marx for us here, it means an escalation of what we were already dealing with in a market that was down a couple of days

>> i believe delta airlines and jet blue came out and said they shouldn't be penalized for orders that have already been placed some u.s. companies are complaining about this as well tesla delivered a record 97,000 cars in the third quarter but that missed analyst targets. about three quarters were model 3. higher priced models s and x dropped. tesla saids it exceeding deliveries it would need to deliver 105,000 vehicle in the fourth quarter to hit the target of the year >> you are talking pretty fine margins of things. i think it was 97,000 instead of 100,000 that was anticipated this stock is closely watched and monitored for any time they are going to miss numbers. elon musk said they could come out on the higher end of things.

i think in the email to staff. there is something to be said to underpromising and overdelivering you did see the stock down by more than 4% >> looking at highs not quite hitting 400. recently was down under 200. >> again, you are talking about 300 cars >> coming up, more on the market turmoil. we'll talk the strategy that could move markets the next pre-market winners and losers in the dow.

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>> wall street knocked about 800 points off in two trading days joining us to discuss the market now. global marketi director and managing director. first question, you are referencing i said something yesterday. so you were watching and you thought that was a compelling question i asked about the secular bull market. you were watching? >> i was watching. >> that's why you get the first question we may get to you? >> is your answer yes? >> yes, it is. if you look at the 200 week moving average, it is a good proxy. the market tends to skip off that long-term trend the market came down to 23.46.

as a definition of what trend is, the market is still in the up trend is that turning? i don't think it is. at this point, we are still in the bull market. >> you think those could be bottoming in this quarter? >> yes, i do you look at financials and industrials. they are weak sharts they've been side ways and down 8 to 12 months the long-term data is trending bottom i think we are coming into a zone where you have to be very careful being ex sensitively bearish. the short-term data is getting deeply oversold here wildly bullish, i think there is a high chance the market deflects to the upside

>> i didn't find much for you to like in this market. you think trade issues have been sort of underestimated and they are coming home to ruse now. interest rates are low >> i wouldn't say i'm overly bearish. >> what are you? >> where investors have gotten defensive and you've seen rates go down. they've declined i actually think we could head into a period of better clarity. i think the administration, you need to see improvements in sentiment and tone these leading indicators will start to pick up

>> to the extent you are bullish or neutral is this a last gaps of air or do you think there is a lot of room to roll? >> to roll over? >> no. in a good way of this going on a lot longer, or like what happens at the tale end? >> andrew, i've been saying this is going to be the longest on record we really haven't gotten started yet. value stocks are to bonds. cumulative growth has not been huge there is no inflation. all of that is con deucive for

access to go higher. this is the third time in the cycle we have had a marked slow down first was the debt crisis and the fed. this is the third one. >> this still doesn't feel like a huge slow down to me >> we've been rolling through. >> if you look back to wherewith -- where we were a year ago >> we had some turn down in may. now we are dealing with it again. these are the declines this is not the end of the cycle. it is a pause amid -- >> you had a good night's sleep and it is thursday or something. if i read your notes, you were in such a bad mood yesterday

as a result, the global economy has slowed u.s. indicators are pointing slower bond market is viewing this as a mistake. further deteriorates further activity and recession models are slowing growth. not yet in that territory. >> i haven't seen one positive >> i was responding to questions being asked -- >> were we talking you into negative comments? far about it from the media to do that. >> the market is why does the market so bad. >> don't tell me this. i apologize. >> it was on me where i need to push back and say -- >> yes, do that. >> you don't have to be a hostile witness.

it is okay. >> i didn't want people to think i was accusing you of being negative i was like brian is not bullish. >> no. this cycle should go on long it doesn't have to be this way 2% growth, 2% inflation, all of that should be really good sentiments eroding, the administration could change that in an election year and i expect they will. >> i'm really glad we had a moment let's clear this up. >> can i go back to your question >> yes, please >> people talk about market cycles when we look at the market cycle and separate that, they do track, you look at the average move, you have the market cycle that goes up two years or three

years. the minimum is around 62, 65 the 200-week moving average is rising >> it could get worse or better. this doesn't feel like a big pull back to me. this makes friday's employment number even more critical. people are going to look at anything they can. adding that employment numbers are down people react when they don't know what is going on. we sliced that two days ago when they went down hard. the short term indicators is starting to get buried >> i can understand your point but we are down less than 3% we've been treading water for a long time. >> the long-term trend i think

we have a bounce before that >> when you look at the long-term trends, they tend to run in these 15, 17 cycles we have a small sample size. 50, 60, 70 >> that's your sample size >> they put people in jail for circumstantial evidence surely we can vest invest on that >> i like that you've got that ugly construction bolt. he found that on a construction site and it fit. >> so good it is an ora ring. >> he says it is just a delay. we may be bottoming. you are a technician but if you

need a fundamental back drop, i'm giving that to you now. >> at the end of the day, you need to watch does value tend to bottom towards growth. that's the $64,000 question. it is going to get interesting >> next timeyou come on, i'll call you personally so we can talk thanks >> thank you for having us coming up, more on "squawk box. we'll tell you what is going on at our favorite place. bed, bath and beyond >> we got to go. >> stock is down and dipping further this morning joe and i have been doing a lot of window shopping this year, less buying. i just got a vaporizer no joke. >> and it is not for the kids.

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welcome back to "squawk box. time now for the executive edge. we'll start with some stocks to watch this morning bed bath&beyond. same store sales fell. despite my humidifier. >> you bought it there

>> yes on line. the company says it is making progress in a search for a new, my goodness, permanent ceo joe, this could be an opportunity for you. >> i'd run this. >> what would you do >> start selling beds. bed bath&beyond. >> the bed business has not been good >> casper? >> casper has been good. >> i know. they don't have a lot of creativity you know what they call the company, the mattress firm >> that is a play on firm words. >> they are firm shares of gopro primarily due to production delays for the latest

hero 8 black cameras that is the highest end that gopro is offering. that has been a tough ride >> $600 million market cap >> and shares of clorox lowering estimates. announced a new strategy aimed at increasing growth fast food wait times have gotten longer. finding 20 seconds more time waiting for food compared to last year, which makes no sense. the chain with the fastest time dunkin donuts average wait time. chick-fil-a was the slowest with an average of 323 seconds. not that your actual wait time, it is when you are in the line

some of these places, i see what people order i get really annoyed when i see six different frapacinnos. >> at starbucks? mcdonalds. >> where is that happening >> mcdonalds >> out of my way >> they captured that right there. >> what year was that? >> so long ago >> that is like a 1200 hp horse power powered porsche. >> and botax saved me. i kind of look the same. >> keep thinking that. >> we look awesome >> i saw someone yesterday on a different network.

did you see beto got his flu shot >> no. he did his whole flu shot. the person talking about it said i get needles all in my face every three months i'm 50 and i'm on tv i don't care who knows and i get needles in my face all the time. >> go, girl. whoever that was >> i was proud of her. >> i haven't yet but only because i'm afraid >> you are 30 years old. >> sorkin, you haven't yet either >> not yet >> but you would >> i wonder if any of this smaks the podcast.

>> coming up, we'll take a closer look at the data. we'll also talk about some of the biggest moving sectors this morning, a look at the futures but not by a lot bouncing back at all news on the potential public listing for air bnb that comes after this break let's look at yesterday's s&p 500 winners and losers too, if we can find any ♪ through the at&t network, edge-to-edge intelligence gives you the power to see every corner of your growing business. from finding out what's selling best...

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"squawk box. >> good morning. markets in turmoil this morning. bringing the october decline to 838 points do you 3.1% this quarter up 11.8% for the year. remember that drop began tuesday after a key measure of u.s. manufacturing saw the lowest reading in more than 10 years. we'll get a read on the services sector the nonmanufacturing sector cover 80% of employment in the united states. u.s. equity futures ahead of the open right now, the dow would open about 20 points higher, nasdaq about 11 points and s&p 500 around 3 points.

>> an update now on the investigation into the 737 max i u.s. panel has asked boeing to make an engineer available for an interview after a worker filed an internal ethics report after that engineer said boeing rejected safety commission in order to minimize costs. air bnb is set to hire jointly goldman sachs and morgan stanley leaning to a public listing thanner than an ipo. that the mood is that they stick it to the bankers, to do that. look at direct listing with slack, that is not exactly an argument for something working out either >> a different example

i think it is a profitable company, it is a digital company. so there is scale to it. there is not crazy costs it is a global business. all of these now are valuation story withes we can argue whether wework is a terrible business or others. have the private markets outpaced the public? >> what are the latest numbers for air bnb? >> i think over $30 billion, $35 billion. the latest number now. whethers that right or not is the question whether these venture capitalizes have marked these up is the issue the other piece, the public

markets that have done it as well >> the people putting up the money are not sticking them up at gun point either. >> are there still people willing to run it higher i don't blame those people >> i don't either. >> tripping themselves to get into these things. >> 100%. >> stayed in one >> i didn't do it. >> good for you. >> someone has one >> i'm not a germophobe, so i'll be okay. what do you do over there? >> organic hand sanitizer, essential oils we like this

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>> welcome back, everybody america's work force is changing let me read. not in size but where they live. more professionals are avoiding high cost cities as more

affordable cities rise in popularity joining us now to look at the winners and losers chief at linkedin. the reason these cities have gone up is because more and more people want to be there. >> the question that comes up is what happens when salaries get too high, costs get too high we are seeing what p happens now. >> finally a tipping point >> yes when housing prices exceed 30% you can't keep top talent. san francisco, 51% people are living. they are going to phoenix, minneapolis. these are the new places attracting people. >> bad for the big cities good

for the companies. >> steve has been a lonely voice in this. he's been right. what is interesting, they go to these bigger cities. absorb what they need to on companies working there. san francisco is absorbing the tech scene and taking it to smaller cities for these companies located in these high-cost cities, they are smart enough to think about the flexible work forces how do you make sure you can have people in these smaller cities and still work for you. >> is this being led by commuters and cost or by companies saying we can't continue to pay people higher salaries to bring them here? >> more led by workers college graduates. you want to hire me, i can't afford to live in san diego, seattle or san francisco

i'm going home i'm going to nashville >> is this a good thing or bad thing? >> i think it is a good thing. >> it is a great thing someone from louisville, kentucky and always wondered why people don't go back there >> people are taking longer commutes people spend 90 minutes, two hours commuting. >> there is a citification happening. places that used to look more like suburbs >> when you are 21 and you want to live in san francisco but you can't so you live in minneapolis. you want all the same services these cities are having to meet

the needs of workers who would like to be in cities >> it is an opportunity. >> there are pluses and minuses. you think of going to a sporting event in a smaller market and there is no traffic. you go to the u.s. open here it is great but it is an event getting there and getting out. it is just different in smaller markets. louisville >> i love flying into airports in smaller towns >> it is easier. >> and you are not spending all of your money on rent. >> will employers follow suit? >> they have to. they have to get the talent in they are competing for the same

type of people you've got to follow the people. this hiring is still strong. monthly job numbers came out 1.1% increase. there is still a demand for people still a worker's market. >> still saying this is not the case >> we are seeing a growth in software, it, anything where tariffs polite be hitting is seeing a drop. we saw 5% decrease in hiring since the peek last year >> thank you >> coming up, utilities outperforming those sek trs. we'll dig into that sector as we head to break, take a look at the rough start to the tech sector nasdaq down.

the worst q 4 debut since 2009 squawk returns right after this.

welcome back to "squawk box. the markets have been volatile of late. a sleepy sector has been soaring and we want to focus on that right now. utilities are on pace now for their sixth straight positive quarter for the first time since 1995 although the sector did get hit hard yesterday's sell off can investors continue to hide out in this group? that's the question of the morning. joining us to discuss what's working in the group is gordon of evercore. >> good morning. >> is this the interest rate story going on here?

>> the simple answer is no, it's not. the classic scenario is when interest rates are low and the markets are volatile, people flee to widow and orphan stocks, utilities. and that has been true there is also a tremendously positive business fundamentals for utilities in the u.s. right now. when you're in a low inflation environment, it actually -- it actually drives really good consistent operating and financial performance for utilities because they operate in a regulatory model called cost plus. they push their costs onto the customers and they get a return on the capital they've invested. we've had such a low inflationary environment for over a decade in the aspects of the economy that drive utility costs that they've been able to lower their costs dramatically in order to make room in the bill to spend capital on things like wind, solar, batteries, smart grid, stuff that enhances the customer experience without raising rates. >> i want to talk about names, but i want to ask you one question about the sector itself

which is the val situation story is, it's not bumped up in terms of multiples applied to this, don't you this sni >> they're at all-time highs >> if we're at the all-time highs, are you still willing to buy the entire sector across the board? you were going to talk about specific names people are going to be listening to you thinking maybe i should buy a utility index. >> absolutely not. >> don't buy a utility index >> the group is expensive for good reasons interest rates are low, fundamentals are strong. returns on capital they're being allowed to earn by government regulators in the states they operate are high >> if you're not going to buy the index which you're telling people not to do, you would buy what >> first of all, i would be wary of buying the really sleepy sort of best in class widow and orphan names not because they're bad companies. they're great kptz they're trading at full valuations wisconsin energy, xcel energy, great companies, great management teams, just really

expensive. you have to go down the list to companies that have a little more complexity. going from complex to simple like first energy, which is really a pure wires company. but used to be a pure wires company that owned merchant power business merchant power business is in bankruptcy they're in the last months of revising -- finalizing that bankruptcy plan. they're giving away those plants to their creditors, essentially. on the other side of that transaction -- >> you're looking at first energy 47.31 what's the multiple on it now, do you know? >> it's trading 17 to 18 times >> it's high >> the best in class compounders, excel, they're trading 22 times a relative merediperspective, i you're looking to trade this rally -- >> that yield 3.2, you can get other blue chips with higher yields that's my question it was years ago remember when florida power, i think, decided they weren't going to be just a yield utility, a total return utility because they were doing other things we were buying it for growth and for dividend growth in the

future is that still a strategy that utilities are embarking on or are they just yield plays? >> you're making a really good point. why would i buy a utility at 3%-ish yield they're growing dividends at 5% a year a 3% dividend and 5% growth. you have a business model, you look at beta relative to the market, beta is miami heat 7 if you did get 5% growth, think about the risk adjusted return versus the market. >> if you can buy a utility, you can buy at&t with 5% >> top line isn't growing. >> but the utility top line is growing more than these well-known blue chips? >> precisely >> weird okay >> what else do you like real quick? >> the other one i like is semper energy. the stock got hit in part because they're a california utility. california had the horrendous issue with fires and pg&e is in bankruptcy they were hit the last couple years because they're not just a

utility. they're also a big lng export play and they're lrks ng export facility got delayed it's about to be finished. they've also been selling off assets that are non-core to the business they announced a massive asset sale -- >> 143.73. what's the dividend? >> the dividend is less than 3%, but growing at grater than 5% a year if you look at the total value of the assets including lng you can get to 165 bucks >> with multiple expansion >> i think the multiple deserves to expand because a discount appears. >> we're going to leave the conversation there it's nice to see you don't say we don't give enough attention to utilities have to start doing that >> happy to be here. >> come on back. thanks >> when we return, the s&p 500 logging its worst start to the fourth quarter ever. we'll dig into the last two days and what it means for the rest of the week, if anything plus later wework's future is new york city's private office

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>> announcer: a scary start to october. the dow shedding more than 800 points in just two days. what's driving the sell-off as we head toward jobs friday is straight ahead will the wework debacle drive down real estate it was supposed to be the darling of ipos is coming up plus senator pat toomey on trade, taxes, and the 2020 election what will sway markets we'll find out as the second hour of "squawk box" begins right now. ♪ ♪ live from the beating heart of business, new york, this is "squawk box. ♪ ♪ >> good morning and welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc i'm joe kernen along with becky

becky quick and andrew ross sorkin the dow jones down about 15 points after losing about 3% in the last two sessions. s&p down less than 2 points. nasdaq just turned negative, now down less than a point >> here's what's making headlines this hour. shares of pepsi co. down in premarket trading. a quarterly profit of $1.56 a share, 6 cents better than the street was expecting revenue beating the street's forecasts. 4.3% jump in organic revenue growth as a result you can see the sock is up 3 and a third% trading up at 138.ho e. trade joined rivals for online stock trades. charles schwab was the first to cut commissions and followed by rival t.d. ameritrade. all three stocks took a hit when schwab announced the expectation everybody would have to get to this level here we are at the end of the week that's exactly what happened

the institute for supply management is out with its nonmanufacturing index at 10:00 a.m. eastern time today. that index measures u.s. services economy and it's expected to come in at 55.3 for the month of september that would be down from 56.4 in august, but still above the level of 50 that separates an expansion from contraction this is really important this time around because earlier this week the ism's manufacturing index came in below 50 that's what triggered the initial market sell off this week so people are going to be watching this number very closely. >> okay. mr. liesman is here. he is in the house on the set with the one and only latest all-america survey i'm selling it here for you. >> i am. i want to give joe an opportunity. >> just a second let me finish -- >> i will not be the same -- >> i look forward to every saturday i love ncaa. i do >> the all-america survey folk uses on how folks are feeling about the economy. it's been a rough week as we all know on the data front

tomorrow is the jobs report, and mr. liesman as i said is in the house. tell us all about it >> it's not a laughing matter. americans' attitude toward the economy taking a sharp turn in the third quarter. cnbc economic survey with 41% pessimistic about the current state of the economy and the future the poll measured the highest level of pessimism since 2016. a stark change since last year when the index was hitting all-time records the good news, attitudes about the current state of of the economy, the big move came from a 7-point drop in the outlook for the future that's the biggest quarterly drop in that measure since 2011. the decline in optimism was picked up across political parties, but in a sign that impeachment could be having an impact, we conducted it last week, the largest drop has been registered among republicans this poll of 800 people nationwide also found that more than half of republicans said they were concerned that

impeachment could hurt the economy and the stock market but there was more work than just politics. other key economic indicators in the poll also were down. just 36% expect their wages to rise in the next year. that's the lowest since march 2016 just 35% say now is a good time to invest in stocks. the lowest in three years. and with 23% saying the economy -- only 23% saying the economy will improve, the surge in optimism that accompanied the election of president trump and grew and sustained over the past two years, it's now wiped out back to before the election time still, 37% of the public say the economy will remain the same and that would be pretty good. only around a third expect recession within the next year but it's the first time in the 11 polls we've conducted during the trump presidency that the pessimists outnumber the optimists. >> can i ask real quick, when you've done -- how many years have we been doing it now? >> 12 years. >> it's been 12 years already? >> and how good has it been -- >> you haven't changed a bit

>> how good has it been as an indicator in terms of market and economy and separate them? >> it's a very good coincident indicator of what's going on in the market alma okay. >> it's quite remarkable that -- >> forward looking or backward looking? >> coincident, as the moment it moves really well with the headlines. the optimism on the market, the poll, the people who respond ed to the poll which is different every poll, completely missed the blue market of the last presidency and they're a little more optimistic now, but they have not -- people without stocks have been relatively pessimistic -- >> when we think about what technicians use, though, for sentiment indicators, it's always contrarian. >> i've done work, joe, to try to correlate it with stocks. it can be and it is sometimes. what's interesting, guys, i don't know if you have that recession chart that we did with

the 34% expecting recession. how great are they in the babbling there that's little change, which is important. so they don't expect the worst that number tends to get above 50% when we're either near or in recession. so that's a pretty good indicator there. it's a good indicator of the job market when people look at their wages. i'm really surprised to see that wage number, the wage expectation number to be down. >> me, too we heard linked in saying this is absolutely still a workers market let's bring in our guest we'll continue this. >> the chicken or egg, we don't know is it the politics or economic outlook or economic outlook affecting the politics >> war of words risen in the poll for trump, you have the impeachment overhang we've had discussions about whether presidents really matter on the big frame of things with recessions, growth, whatever but there are some people that argue -- we had an analyst that brought in three parts of the stock market you should be buying or selling puts on if

your chances get better. health care, banks and technology the political backdrop is going to matter on how people feel about the economy. >> decline in republicans was stunning 13 points down among those who say the economy will get better. >> by the way, that was last week, not this week. that was last week this poll was taken last week. i wonder if you took it this week >> independents, joe, down by a point in that measure. so they're less affected by that >> let's bring in investment strategist at blackstone also mike santoli, of course, our senior markets commentator joe, what do you think there are so many signals right now from the ism manufacturing, from what we heard yesterday with the adp report. are things getting worse are we headed towards resnegs >> i think things are getting worse. i think markets can sell off further from here. we'll see credit spreads widen out. i do think the risks are elevated if you think about what we've seen pretty much for most of 2019, it was a pretty stable environment where you didn't

have a lot of volatility and economic data points the fed was cutting rates and the markets cheered. we saw the markets going up -- stocks go up almost 20%. and if you had said a year ago that we'd be in an environment where unemployment would be at a 50-year low, wages would be rising, home prices would be rising and the fed would be cutting rates, i would say that's absolutely crazy. that's not how the economy works. that's exactly what we've seen so far in 2019 now that narrative is being challenged it started with yield curves inverting, beginning of august and september. repo markets beginning to misbehave. now we're seeing cracks in ism we're seeing cracks in some of the leading edges of labor markets. and it suggests that, you know, at this point in the cycle, the question becomes -- the question isn't if there will be a recession. it's when will there be a recession. >> next year, two years from now, five years from now >> i think the count down timer started from the time that the most predictive part of the

yield curve, the ten year to two-year treasury inverts, you have an average of 20 months before a recession the question becomes, is it going to be sooner or later? before or after 20 months? because 20 is the average. i would think with confrontational trade policy and some of the cracks that we're beginning to see in the economy, it's going to be sooner. i don't know if that's six months from now or 12 months from now, but regardless, we're on the clock >> michael, we've made a lot of the850 plus point decline we'v seen in the last two sessions. when you look at the averages, you're still looking at the s&p not far from 2900, and that makes me feel like, okay, maybe it's not as much of a bargain as people think >> the s&p is 4.5% from its high it struggled to make headway >> over a year >> what they've told us is august was not just a fleeting kind of late cycle freak out by the market this is the story line and, you know, if you actually have any conviction that we're going to avert recession in the next year or so, you would say this is

probably -- is going to pass, this storm is going to pass. i think the market lost its bet you can you cut the fed rate the market has gotten pretty oversold and pervasive -- >> what if the ism 306 today >> better than expected? >> yeah. yields would go up and that would let stocks go up that would be my expectation >> i know. >> keep in mind it's a survey. all the mood stuff steve is talking about is on the downside >> what if it's below 50 for nonservices? >> for services -- >> that would be a problem >> was it -- did i say 53 or 54 we're looking for? >> it's a great question i think the risk is to the downside when you ask it that way. and i think about the answer if it's on the up side, people are like that's cool, that's great. >> i'm not trading necessarily >> downside would confirm the negative >> to mike's point, this is a confidence survey. >> if it's up, the consumer -- we got freaked out over

manufacturing which is a small part of -- >> 10% >> anyway, the other thing, steve, you said chicken and egg. if the likelihood of recession increases, trump's chances go down significantly, which brings in, again -- >> for reelection. >> joe, i have to tell you something else we're back at 8:00 with another piece of this. the president is not doing well among the public with his signature economic issues. and i have to think that you can have higher levels of optimism if there was better belief in immigration and trade. it's not doing well. you saw -- you were out the day we reported. his economic approval numbers, the worst of his presidency right now. >> and the trade i think will continue to linger, right? this is a big issue and it invites a lot of unintended consequence. i think that's what we've started to see through manufacturing, and now where it's beginning to spread to the leading edges of labor markets where you have things like your average hourly workweek is beginning to rollover. the number of job openings is rolling over and i think all these things are

sort of related to trade adds long as trade lingers, then we're going to have to worry about these -- the downside to a lot of these economic -- >> your gamble is the trade issue continues to linger. >> i think it continues to linger one of the things that is probably missed by a lot of people it's no longer isolated between the u.s. and china it's now spread to japan and south korea. emerging market currencies all around the world there are elements of populism or regionalism or inward thinking that are actually, i think, driving this entire global trade agenda, right we've seen it all throughout the world where sort of free trade is under attack. >> mike, very quickly set us up for today. we're watching ism >> watching ism. i don't know anyone is going to be here ahead of the jobs number tomorrow the market is best turned decisively like i said, after two days pretty oversold if you look at the under market of the service index. the makings are there. it's in our heads for a little bounce

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today's aflac trivia question. what was america's first national park? the answer yellowstone, established in 1872 >> it's a question being asked on wall street a lot these days. does wework's implosion pose a systemic risk. leslie picker joins us now she has more on how the company went from $48 billion valuation to bankruptcy in six weeks it's a phenomenal story to watch. >> i can't believe it's been six weeks. seems like so much has happened with the company with the ipo market in general as a result. wework scrapped ipo $10 billion of fresh capital for the company. with staggering losses and now dwindling cash on the balance sheet, wework is now in survival mode wework slid to an all-time low this week as s&p and fitch have slashed the company's credit ratings further into junk territory. the ratings agency has highlighted the risk that amid all this turmoil wework

customers could hesitate to sign new agreements and megadeveloper don peebl said wework could default on real estate obligations. >> i think right now what's going to happen is they're going to begin to see a significant pull back in "access" to any kind of capital. i'm not sure lenders would see them as a significant investment opportunity any more >> to sure up kashl, wework has considered selling off stake in the wing and is said to be look for buyers for its other businesses such asmanaged by q, conductor, meetup, team. wework could get a negotiated credit facility from some of its bankers and anticipating a new cash infusion from softbank next year the question is whether that will amount to enough to support wework's losses and liabilities, guys >> we're going to continue this conversation right now wework as we just said, strapped for cash but the issue for the we company

could affect the real estate industry the chairman of rxr realty, managing over $20 billion in real estate properties and investments. and there is a concern, given that wework is technically the largest tenant in new york city, the largest tenant in london, whether it could actually have a real down draft on the price of commercial real estate in terms of office space in these big cities >> let's start, i think, with wework's business itself fundamentally its core business, right, is sort of on track people are living, working, playing, staying differently they aclittle had recognized that and began to build office space that created that sense of community, highly curated companies looking for flexibility. flexible office space short term lease was appealing and one stop appealing. the question now is wework is at this critical juncture as leslie said, is there

confidence in them moving forward. i think they're trying to take the right steps. if i look at what they're doing in terms of putting two new co-c.e.o.s in place. >> you like them he a like their core business. obviously they went off. they had a business that was working and they tried to expand too quickly. the other thing that's important this is intensive and operationally intention i have business it's hard to expand the scale they did and get into schools and this network effect. >> if you're a landlord today, would you rent to these people that's a fundamental question in terms of growing the business. this is grow or die, the economics the way they're currently structured >> wework today needs to pull back wework needs to shed non-core businesses, slow down their growth, regroup, refocus on their core those are the steps they're taking >> they have to grow the core otherwise -- >> i think they need to regain the confidence of their customers. wework is in two businesses, the

core business is in the co-working space and the enterprise space the enterprise space is 45% of their business, is backed by companies like bank of america, j.p. morgan. they're the ultimate tenant in those spaces they need the confidence they can continue to fill the space >> how much do you care the talent to the extent there is talent there, is going to walk ought the door by the way, the talent that works for wework, they historically didn't want to be in the real estate business. were attracted by the sex appeal of what this company was supposed to be, the idea of an ipo. there's a lot of things going on a lot of people there saying i need to run for the exits. i am tarred by adam newman tarred they actually think that they're going to run for the hills. what does that do to the whole franchise? >> listen, they kept two co-c.e.o.s the critical point now is the capital side they have to be able to validate

in the market place that they have the capital to get their business to the point where they have a path to profitability >> do you think they can get out of some of these leases? there are questions, i don't understand if you understand the structure better than i do how wework is set up such that there are various organizations that could effectively file their own bankruptcies without necessarily hitting the core >> the one area wework was disciplined on from the very beginning was actually not putting up their balance sheet and fully guaranteeing leases. most of wework's leases are either off of subsidiary entities, short-term guarantees that burn off. for example, if they're attending 18 months -- >> what landlord in the world is going to continue to allow that to happen in the future? >> that won't happen and i think that's already started to shift out of the market place most landlords are starting to move to more of the managed lease agreements when we do a deal, we're signing managed lease agreements, we're putting in capital, sharing in the revenue up side and not relying on their guarantee, relying on an underlying

business >> is there systemic risk? we talk about they're the biggest tenant in places like new york and london. they're only 1% of the commercial real estate in new york city. >> it's 5% of new york city. i think the systemic risk is a good question. when you think about the scale, very small the enterprise space as i mentioned, it's 45% of their business so take our lease that we have at wework. it's 100,000 square feet bank of america is on that -- is the tenant in that space they occupy another ten floors they're not leaving that space if wework leaves if you pull that out of the equation, there is some stability. where you're going to have issues is absorption they've been growing and absorbing a lot of space that's come onto the market too quickly. >> cuts down on potential increases down the road. >> particularly class b space. >> what does it do to valuation of other businesses trying to be wework i'm thinking of the wing what's the valuation of wing

>> half a billion dollars. >> i thought it might have been a unicorn. the question is does a businesslike that still get that kind of valuation? do all these other guys, are they now going down or are they going up >> so -- i'm an investor in a company called convene which is somewhat of a competitor wework does also meeting spaces which is the base of their business when you sit in our board room, there is a clear path of what are the four-wall economics for each of the centers that they open what are those return on equity on that economics. what's the return of capital in the economics, what's the path to profitability i don't think anyone ever believed the valuation that wework or invested in the valuation being applied to wework i think that was part of the problem. wework was being pushed by this valuation to go expand into other businesses to try to justify a network effect in a capital intensive operationally intensive business, this is difficult. this is not airbnb >> could that be part of the solution more like a moral hazard situation where people who are

potentially losing confidence in wework could turn around and say, well, softbank has so much at stake here. maybe they will help keep this thing afloat so -- >> i would be very surprised if softbank and the other investors don't put together a capital plan that keeps wework afloat, the confidence to keep the business going >> thank you you may be sick if you invested in health care humana, down 25% or more we'll discuss the sector and the president's vision for medicare and much more. "squawk box" we'll be right back

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"futures now." we have 2 1/2 hours -- less than that maybe 2 1/2 hours to go -- 2 hours to go before the open. dow opened down 22 points, round up s&p 500 looking to open down we'll call that 2 1/2 points president trump will be giving a speech today about his administration's health care policy and is expected to announce an executive order entitled protecting medicare from socialist destruction where are health care stocks moving in 2020 that's the question. bertha coombs joins us with the answer >> they're on pace for the worst year in the great recession. it's a lot like a patient with one chronic condition. you get one calming down, another one flares up. after ten straight years of gains, health insurers are the worst performers year to date. white house and congressional proposals to overhaul pharmacy benefit fees have weighed on players with big pharmacy benefit units now like cigna, united health and cvs all year but movement on regulation in

congress and from the white house has not been as decisive, it hasn't moved as quickly as people feared. but now that democratic hopeful elizabeth warren is surging in the polls, that's renewed fears about medicare for all she's advocated getting rid of private insurers and pbms altogether biotech firm and pharma squarely in regulatory crosshairs, they have lost nearly all of the year's gains but they actually have performed a little bit better than the overall market this week with the impeachment stand-off ramping up there is some conventional wisdom that will likely put drug price bimz on the back burner because washington will be distracted and then j & j, endo farmer up for the week after signing onto a settlement in the ohio opioid litigation this afternoon the president expected to sign an executive order. 9 thought is he's probably going to extend a lot of things medicare is already doing for seniors and a lot of new medicare advantage plans have

extra services sort of long-term care services for people who are in lower incomes, for example, if you have breathing issues they might try to help you with your air conditioning bill or get you an air conditioner to help you, things like that they're looking at perhaps extending some of those things and we are just two weeks away from medicare enrollment, so it's certainly good timing when seniors and seniors who vote in areas like florida are thinking about medicare >> bertha, thanks. joining us now, anna gupta, health care analyst. anna, you've been coming on for a while. did you foresee the weakness in most of the stocks we've seen, humana and some of the others? i think almost every time you're on, you would say there are these external things, but that these are well positioned to flourish in any environment in terms of whether there was obamacare reform or whatever they were doing. and that clearly has not been

what's happened with this. >> you know, i think we've seen the movie before i'm going to stick to my guns on this one i think the fundamentals that are actually very good, not just for the insurance industry, but importantly for american society. and they've done, you know, a lot of positive things which i actually support and i've said this many times in medicare advantage. it's the blueprint for how public/private partnership should work. it's saving money for seniors. it's saving money for the government humana is the stock that i think on the team of medicare for all -- i know you might laugh, but it's going to play itself out. the question is when i mean clearly warren is picking up a lot of ground now with sanders and the health issue, biden and the ukraine issue and all of that. and so you might have overhang persist if she wins the primary. the polls are beginning to show that and if she does, then it persists into the general until -- unless she moves more

center but if the senate is still republican, nothing is going to happen they might be a little bit more noise after november 2020, but, you know, at that point the stock should work. i guess i agree with you, though, that headline risk is going to be a key element and a driver in how these stocks perform. you need a catalyst and the catalyst is the election >> if we can, we try to avoi talking about candidates, what's going to happen. but it's impossible in this arena right now. and you say from a stock market perspective, the performance of this sector is dependent on the event-ridden time line leading up to the primary and going into the general election now, you do make the point that so many times we hear that, well, even if we did get elizabeth warren, she's not going to do all the things she says it's impossible to get those things done. you make that point. but you also make the point that if trump were to win it, that

would be a huge positive for health care. >> for stocks. >> health care stocks versus -- >> for stocks it would be. the whole health care sector in general, more so i'd say the services side, managed care in particular to some degree the hospitals less so for biopharma. i mean, the drug pricing bill probably has made the most progress and has more bipartisan alignment than any other legislation we've seen so far. >> if elizabeth warren did win the primary and did win the general election, you point out the possibility of single payer medicare for all is still very small. but the overhang of having that possibility would hurt the stocks >> yeah, through the general i moon, if she actual i mean, if she doesn't win the general election -- it's limited what she can change through the administration >> in some sense, anna, we have

seen a change. and i looked back. and in the september quarter of 2015, which is sort of in the same point where we are in the election, in that cycle, we had a huge downdraft throughout health care because of all the rhetoric we were hearing from both sides about reform. >> right >> and this time it seems as though that has caught on in washington, although right now with the impeachment distraction, some of that may be on hold. there is bipartisan support. i wonder whether trump or a democrat wins, whether that is not going to move forward. >> bipartisan in terms of medicare for all >> no, in terms of price reform and trying to really rein in costs. the trump administration, cms has been trying to home in on the hospitals as well to make them much more transparentabou their costs, and also to try to sort of make more transparency

about these deals that oftentimes end up working against the consumer because of the out of pocket costs. >> all of that is fair i think it's a $3.8 trillion economy. we have obamacare. they had 85% of the premium dollar going to medical spend. you know, the entire health insurance industry does 50 billion in post tax. almost 4% of $4 trillion economy. all of the costs, they reside in the hospital economy, 50% of all spent. it's largely price driven. it's not consumption it's moderated and slowed down to low single digits unit price inflation is being attacked on the drug side, with drug pricing legislation it's a rational bill that the house has put out and senate finance is largely aligned and trump is aligned for that matter the hospital economy, they are finding legal loopholes with the

site neutral payments, surprise billing. there's been a lot of entrenched interests in that. >> private equity firms owning a lot of positions -- >> team health, envision, you know what happened with blackstone and kkr and all that. i think -- i'm bullish on the middleman, pbms and health insurers because they don't make a lot of money they've moderated spend and i think you should be buying cvs cigna and united the pbm smear campaign by biopharma has failed >> i think so. >> i see people keep railing not just democratic candidates whenever i do a story on pbm people say, they're stealing, they're terrible >> you know, the secretary's efforts around pharmaceutical rebates, they were shelved because those rebates were going

to healthier people rather than those filling scripts. it's like where do the subsidies go it's not going as much into the pockets of the pbms. they're not. where are we going now america is subsidizing health care for the rest of the world you stop a subsidy, redirect a subsidy, plug the hole in that subsidy. i think maybe the average man is easy to say. the pbms are the bad guy they've been under the gun they're not really making that much money i looked at their financials in great detail >> the senate flips, let's say for single pair, are you going to start to take up technology, cover a different group? >> you know, the end of the day, my belief is that while politics tend to -- for awhile they

dominate the headlines and they make efforts to do things, public/private partnerships, in the end policy makers have been relatively rational. cms is doing a good job today. even in congress when things are going really somewhere that's not that rational and economically not that sensible for american society >> that's amazing. >> we'll see >> that's amazing. in the government? >> i think so. i think -- you know, i really think drug pricing legislation has moved from a rational place -- >> it won't hurt innovation. you just said we innovate for the world because everybody caps their prices >> it's not going to go. pelosi's bill is pretty left it will get more center is about 250 drugs that are the highest priced drugs >> in congress right now --

>> impeachment is low. she's probably going to try to get to a floor vote. >> with impeachment overhallie jacksoning things, they're not going to pick up -- >> thank you, ann a. they're playing the music. >> senator pat toomey will join us next. meantime the futures this morning after two incredibly difficult days, you're looking now at the futures turning down once again we've been up by about 20 to 30 points for the dow futures earlier. we're down 40 points after the dow has lost 850 points in the last two sessions. s&p futures down 5, nasdaq off by 8 "squawk box" will be right back.

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♪ ♪ all right. welcome back, everybody. let's take a look at the futures because they have turned negative even after the two big days of declines we've seen the first two trading days of the month and for the quarter. right now dow futures are indicated down by about 57 points s&p futures are down by just over 7 points. the nasdaq down by 16. if we can take a look at rates here, i think it would be interesting to see what's happening with the ten year, the 30 year, the two right now those yields have been under extreme pressure the yield is 1.458%. you're seeing pressure across the board.

ten year is at 1.573%. we do get those numbers on ism nonmanufacturing later this morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern time that's something the market is going to be watching very closely. of course it all leads up to the big jobs report tomorrow the question is what's happening in the economy now senator warren taking aim at corporate america once again the presidential candidate proposing a tax on lobbying which would cost companies millions of dollars. this comes after tax the rich proposal in her campaign senator pat toomey has spoken out on some of the tax plans we've heard from senator biden we haven't gotten a chance to talk to you about what you think of the most recent plans we've heard coming from not only elizabeth warren, but also bernie sanders >> well, good morning, becky and i have to start by noting that allentown and bethlehem featured in the bumper music coming into this segment are doing quite well >> i noticed that, too they're closing all the

factories down forgot about that line coming into it. >> there's been tremendous recovery in the works for many years. but one good way to do a lot of economic damage in these incredible tax proposals, it really, really far left ideas that we haven't entertained in america in, governor brown, i don't think in my lifetime the idea that will confiscate people's assets. huge tax increases on business, on capital, on income. and, you know, if god forbid our democratic friends take complete control of the elective government, they will do these things there's no doubt in my mind. it's really important that we push back. >> with all of the talk of equality and concerns what you've seen playing out, it's probably no surprise you're seeing this baltimore l take place at this point. what do you think -- okay. >> so, i look at it differently. i think it's amazing to me that

the at this moment when we have record low unemployment, all-time record low unemployment for groups that have historically traditionally higher unemployment. we have wage growth accelerating it's accelerating the most at the lowest end of the spectrum in this economy we're narrowing the income gap this is the moment when the u.s. is outperforming the entire world, when asset prices have been very strong this is the moment when socialism is on the rise and our democratic colleagues are deciding, never mind all this. it's incredible to me. >> senator, i don't know if the democrats' approach is the right one or not i'll tell you what i find amazing. what i find amazing is we have remarkable inequality in this economy, you talk about it being as good as it is deficits rising at record rates. that's what's amazing. my question to you is, okay, if you don't like the democrats'

plan, which i completely accept on its face, what is the republican plan to deal with these issues, both the inequality issue and separately the deficit issue. >> well, so, two things. first of all, what we're witnessing right now as you know is accelerating wage growth. and accelerating wage growth at the low end of the income spectrum so strong growth is proving to be diminishing the gap in income and the inequality gap as far as deficits go, look, i've said for decades now we've got to restructure the big entitlement programs they are not sustainable they are designed to grow faster than gdp, and no program can grow faster than gdp indefinitely these giant plans are doing exactly that >> even if we all decide there is fraud and waist and all sorts

of other things, let's say you can cut it down to 10% which would be a minor miracle right now. the question is do you need to raise more revenue, and how do you do that? i don't think that's the best way to do this in fact, raising more revenue doesn't solve the problem of big programs going faster than the economy. the revenue won't grow faster than the economy so they're not sustainable. we don't have to make draconian cuts what we have to do is pick a date in the near future and modify the program >> does it satisfy -- did his answer for the inequality thing -- huh-you didn't acknowle if he answered about income inequality if wages are growing the fastest they have in years, is that -- >> if you're asking me the question -- >> no, i am. no, i'm just wondering whether -- did that speak to

you? >> it speaks to me >> all right because i thought he answered that question. >> the great news is, you're right. on the bottom end -- >> and by the way, you want to bring that down. it's not that i want to bring it down the benefits have been remarkably uneven insofar as -- >> we're going to lose him in just a minute. senator tomby, let's get back to what you were concerned about. do you think the market is right to be sniffing out some of these issues that are out there watching every economic number closely right now. >> so, my view is that the combination of adverse trade developments and uncertainty about where we're going on trade has had a chilling effect on corporate investment that seems to be the area that's been leading the deceleration, fortunately really strong on the service side and consumer side

so i don't think we're heading into a recession any time soon we don't need a new war, we ought to be working hard to get those resolved i commend the administration for making progress with japan on expanding trade. we should really try to avoid a big trade war with the european union -- >> so you're against the tariffs. you're against the wt action and the tariff that we're looking. >> so, the w t o announcement we've known, they subsidized airbus boeing outperforms airbus. they had record sales. the only american competitor that's done great in those ongoing subsidies. i hope what the administration does is to negotiate the settlement here. let's get an agreement we're not going to have subsidies for these giant companies. i think the europeans are in a place they might be willing to do this. that's how this ought to end

>> what do you think about the trade war with china i know you've given the administration kudos, but you don't like the tariffs, where do you think this winds up. >> clearly that's the tool the president used to pressure china to change their ways i do put china in a different category than our allies but i hope we don't have, you know, a continued acceleration in this. i think there is a reason both sides ought to want an agreement by early mid next year, and i hope we can get there. senator toomey, thank you for your time. it's good to see you >> thanks for having me. >> futures are worsening down 80 now on the dow "squawk box" will be right back. >> announcer: coming up, what's causing the sell off plus washington capitals owner and businessman ted leonsis on quk x"etnsig bet "sawbo rur after a break. ah!

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mainstream what if you could bet inside the actual arena where the game was taking place >> he stepped on the line. >> no, it was legal. >> no, he stepped on the line. >> he made the shot. >> who has $6,000? >> "squawk box" begins right now. ♪ y'all ready for this ♪ >> announcer: live from the most powerful city in the world, new york this is "squawk box. >> good morning. welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc live from the nasdaq market site in times square i'm joe kernen along with becky quick and andrew ross sorkin the futures right now have worsened, down about 70 points given yesterday and the day before who knows. >> might seea big snap back today. >> you could >> not right now that's my point. >> and it was a weak sort of a rebound earlier, too

probably talk to cramer later. a lot of times he doesn't like a rebound after two days >> right >> anyway, treasury yields are back below 1.6 on the ten year after the first two days of the quarterly. 1.58 today >> let's talk about some of the other stories that investors will be talking about today. shares of pepsi are higher in premarket trading. the beverage and snack giant reported quarterly profit and revenue that came in above the street expectations. 4.3% jump in organic revenue growth that was better than the street was expecting as well. that stock now up 2.1%, up as much as 3.3% earlier president trump opening a new front in his multi nation trade war. senior officials from the trade rep office say they will impose new tariffs on the european union. a 10% tax on aircraft from france, germany, spain and the u.k. and also some kitchen table

tariffs. 25% on single malt irish and scotch whiskeys, 25% on cheese from different countries >> shares of tesla delivered 97,000 vehicles during the third quarter. that's its best number ever. however, that was still 2000 below the numbers analysts expected this is a company where every metric is watched closely by the street stock is down by 4.8%. >> the economy has traditionally been a winning issue with trump. the latest version of america's economic survey have potential issues as economic data start to raise red flags. steve liesman is back to tell us about concerning data. >> if finds disagreement with the public on several of his signature economic issues. a majority 55% of the 800 americans we polled last week nationwide disapprove of the

president's handling of border security and immigration 36% approve. plurality of 47% disapprove of handling of relationship with china. broader concern with the tariff issue. that has led as we reported earlier, the worst economic approval numbers of the trump presidency only the second of our polls in the trump era where he has been under water in economic approval it could bounce back as it has in the past. the numbers, worse on the board approval section, fell 6 points from the may survey for all adults driven by a 9 point decline among democrats and 10 point not enough to offset the change. it could show the president pleases his base, but at the expense of overall approval. attitudes about chinas haven't gotten more negative net negative another problem, the president appears to have failed to

convince the public that his big issues are the most important ones that should be worked on. we asked people what's the number one economic issue that elected officials should be working on 11% said the minimum wage. 12% said tariffs and trade 12% said taxes 13% said the budget deficit. then look at that, 41% are naming health insurance as the economic issue i did the math for you that's more than the other thing behind it combined health insurance is the number one issue for democrats. it's number one for independents, also number one for republicans. much less. they also mention the budget deficit as an issue. 28, 23, independents much higher all three groups of political persuasions. >> let's dive deeper now and try to figure out the trigger for the market sell s.e.a.l. off is it the run on trade war or

all about economic weakness or what's really happening in washington and is it all related? joining us is joe, chief economist for the americas at -- i never -- >> matixis >> as well as cnbc contributor sam is here, chief investment strategist at cfra what is it >> the fed it's all the fed >> it is i made this point a long time ago. if you look at china's data, they had cyclical slowing well before the president put tightening in place. germany has been weak, auto emissions in china, not that the tariff issue isn't a concern for people, i argue monetary policies the last six, seven quarters has been housing which is a function of rates to me it's all about the fed >> do you agree with that? how much of it is a trade story?

>> i'm thinking of cascading events the trade situation overfloelg into the weakness of economic indicators then forcing the fed's hand to lor interest rates joe is absolutely right. expectations in china have weakened we are looking for 5.1 growth versus 5.6, a stair step down from the prior years it is very much a global issues investors have to be concerned with >> you're not bearish generally speaking >> i describe myself with a bull but lower case b we're likely to see some sort of economic slow down we're looking for 1.6% gdp growth in the third quarter which is done slightly from our estimate every quarter through the end of 2020 will be up 2.1% or more >> how much of this is going to be an overhang for the election?

the next 12 months >> i don't think it will be that big an issue coming back to the trade for a moment, i'm going to say something heretical. they're happy what the president is doing it gives an excuse to diversify their supply chain to get out of china and not have shareholder backlash >> some c.e.o.s are rationalizing that now i don't think that was their view months ago. >> the public view and private view can't be different. the unemployment rate is low, andrew it's still sub-4%. even in a 2%-ish type economy, that's going to bode well for incumbents >> do you think there is a solution to this trade war preelection in an environment where there is impeachment proceedings on the way >> impeachment is totally overblown. >> because it didn't happen or because you don't think it's going to impact anything else? >> no, i don't think -- >> you don't think the chinese are sitting there going like this, okay, i'm going to wait this out

>> i think that's a mistake because i think xi is under a lot more pressure to deliver than people think. their economy structurally is softer than the u.s.'s no >> where are you at? >> my feeling is we've got three outcome scenarios. one is that basically we take what is offered to us and we call it a day so that the president can then focus on getting reelected. i think a better scenario is that there is some sort of agreement both sides -- >> better scenario or better likelihood >> better scenario for both sides in which they can go back with face-saving proposals the third scenario is that the administration digs in its heels and says no, we want you to agree on everything. i think the best chance for reelection will be the middle scenario because then it's not something that would have to be readdressed. >> steve, where do you stand in all this >> i disagree with joe's theory in the case in the following way. i think we had a surge in

economic growth. the fed raised rates to a place that was just barely neutral and then if you look at the current real interest rate, which is minus inflation, we're below zero now and i think we had an expected come down from the surge in growth in the 2018, and that was made worse and has created greater concern because of the trade war. if we didn't have the trade war, we would have been okay at a 2 1/2, 3% fed funds rate maybe a little lower i'm not precisely sure but substantially what's happened now is fear of the unknown and global economic concerns that -- i don't see that the way the fed so gradually raised rates to a point that remained on a real basis or inflation basis below zero restrict the economy >> you and i have a fundamental

disagreement i think real rates is mum bow jumbo. if you look at the yield curve, dollar and commodity prices, you're correct, steve. historically real rates were low. but market pricing is clearly telling us that u.s. policy was much too tight relative to the rest of the world. and that's, i think, a fact that manufacturing is so weak >> the trade war -- >> this is way before the trade war. >> -- and the stock market has told you -- we have this argument as colleagues, but the stock market's been flat for 18 months, and that's pretty much dating back to the trade war >> i disagree with you on that, steve. >> what's that, joe? >> after a huge move up, though. >> it was a huge move up, it did go flat for a while. you know, joe, we've been bouncing between tweets on trade. it seems like you can -- >> just off the highs which are up almost 50% in some markets.

so a small b in bull, that's a male cow i looked that up that is not -- i don't think -- [ laughter ] >> utterly ridiculous. why did you look that up >> udderally ridiculous. i looked up what a stear is. >> steve liesman thank you for bringing this, not on a saturday, a thursday >> where do you go, big 10 >> only quarterback and left tackles. >> i believe them to be the most important people on the field, left tackle first. >> i think offensive line is -- >> left tackle i did a story in 1987 how they were paying the first tackle a million dollar a year. they start today realize they're going to spend 2 million on the quarterback. they should spend a million on the left tackle. >> you know what, steve? coming up, sports betting makes

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welcome back to "squawk box," everybody. the futures this morning are indicated weaker this comes despite the big declines we saw -- we've seen over the last two days combined decline of over 850 points for the dow in the first two trading sessions of the month. and the quarter. we now see the s&p indicated down by about 4 and the nasdaq is indicated down by about 9 dow futures off by 41. >> we've got some big news in the sports gambling world this morning. a new partnership between gaming company william hill and the owner of the washington, d.c.'s wizards, mystics and capitals. joining us is ted leonsis, chairman and c.e.o. of monumental sports and

entertainment. that is the company behind the teams. and joe ascher, c.e.o. of william hill this is news this is actual news, is it not, guys can you tell us what's happening? ted, you start out, or joe, since you're william hill. >> go, joe >> yeah, we're excited today we've been working with our friends here at monumental for a while to try to get over the line and we have and we're going to build a planned new sports book herein side of the capital one arena in the heart of washington, d.c. we're really excited about it. it's going to be accessible to folks from the street as well as from the arena it will be the first sports book inside of a, of a sports arena here in the u.s. we're looking forward to getting going with it. >> and i'm very excited about using interactive data and the sports book to make a more exciting experience for our fans, give fans a reading

interest in the teams. and we will work very, very closely with the people at william him to make sure that is best in class, most modern sports book, but more importantly we want to start to drive toward the future and game ification for sports gambling. >> what's the state in d.c. with legalized gambling is it september 30th the key date, joe? >> well, there is not a specific date and you bring up a good point. it's all subject to regulatory approval but the d.c. legislatures passed a law to legalize sports betting at a number of locations most prominently for us is right at the arena

so the legislature permitted a sports book to be built within the arena. not only will people be able to go and bet over the counter, but you can bet on your mobile phones anywhere in the arena precise timing, we don't have that yet we have to get through the licensing process with the d.c. lottery and hopefully get up and running in the not too distant future >> what's the future look like, joe, in terms of this? in five years will there be betting everywhere in arenas for every sport? >> you know, look, right now this is rolling out on a state-by-state basis the supreme court ruled last year it's up to the states to decide what they want to do with sports betting some states are moving quicker than others. and the states are all doing it a little bit differently that's to be expected. clearly in the future, the bulk of the betting is kgoing to be n mobile that's the case where we do 70%

of our business on mobile devices, it's a higher percentage for us. elsewhere that will continue, but there is a big role to play for retail sports where people can congregate, get together with friends for drinks. this will be a great bar restaurant working with one of the leading guys in the industry to develop a great concept for it it will be a place people can come, not just transact, make their bet and leave. but spend a few hours and great social experience. >> he brings up a good point for people who own venues like we do here in washington, d.c. it brings the building alive on a longer basis right now most of our activity is 7:00 to 11:00 during game nights we drive 200 people through the turn styles. we can bring people coming in,

watching on all the televisions here, games from around the world. they can learn about odds, they can learn about gaming they can place bets. as joe said, we want to wring a fine dining experience and make this a destination for the city. >> we kind of do that here, i think, people watch us, we can do things on our mobile phones, things like that are your teams going to be worth more what does it add up to, ted, for professional sports? >> and ratings >> ratings and gambling? >> i think this is a big part of the future of the game not only is it a new revenue stream i think it will make our media rights more valuable i think we have seen through fantasy gaming that the more interactive a fan is, the more they're understanding what data they can interact with the more they'll watch the games on television.

i also think coming into the arena, we have to make sure we're investing in new technology and working with william hill. the sports book is a part of what the fan experience is >> guys, let me ask you a skeptical question about this. how much do you worry about a backlash we're not there yet obviously. at some point, this happened in the u.k. and elsewhere you had situations, especially on mobile devices and other things so much of this is regulated if you're from vegas and you bet on a sports book and you're drunk, they cut you off. both from the alcohol and the ability to bet that becomes a lot tougher when it comes to mobile, when it comes to some of these other environments then there becomes a liability issue, a headline risk issue how much of that is on your mind look, i think it's always on our minds, to make sure our customers are behaving --

enjoying a product in a responsible way. you point out there's been regulatory backlash in other parts of the world, in the u.k it's not specific to sports. it's gaming more broadly and so i think the american gaming association -- i'm on the board. it's something that we pay a lot of attention to. and i think it is incumbent on all operators to act uponably. >> is there something you do differently? is there a lesson learned in the experience across the pond, as they say yeah, well, i think the big lesson is to be careful and watch out and try to get ahead of these issues before you do have a big backlash. whether that's monitoring what customers are doing very carefully, keeping an eye out for folks who may be having a problem, or the other type of inappropriate activity

whether it's in your facility -- frankly, it's something i think applies across the spectrum for business owners more broadly and it's obviously something in our industry that we're very much focused on >> we're very focused on it. one of the reasons we partnered with hill, they've 85 years experience they're solely focused on sports gaming and betting they're not a general casino kind of business we want to focus on creating new products for a new generation for me, the focus is growing the market we don't want to keep this in a niche. we want interactive gaming business that has relevance and can serve all of our fans. >> hey, ted, i always used to call you billionaire you have investments all over the place. you still got investment in the stock market

and did yesterday, the day before, did they give you pause? did you sell everything? are you not sleeping well at night? >> no, i'm sleeping well at night. most of my investments are in private companies and through evolution in private companies and right now the ipo market is pretty choppy, and so i like where we are with a lot of our investments. a company like sport radar which we're an investor in which is also in the sports gaming business is doing very, very well and i try to look at the global business environment and right now the sports gaming industry on a global basis is growing and very healthy >> i think he's happy, too the capitals won their open and the mystics are in the finals. >> yeah, a washington team -- they're doing pretty well. hope springs eternal for the

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cme floor with breaking news initial jobless claims this week are up 4,000 from 215, 1-5, to 219,000. if you recall, 215 wasn't the way we looked at it last week. it was 213 they upgraded it to, move it up for where you want to be continuing claims we move from 1.656 down ever so slightly to .651. these numbers continue to remain at low levels. maybe not the lowest levels, but for a thick pencil low enough. for any information we're going to glean from them big bat a coming out of andrew ism manufacturing has the biggest audience to dig down to the number i've ever witnessed several days ago, given the super week ten year low on the manufacturing side we turn to see pressure in interest rates

for all pralkt cal purposes, we're about the same levels we were the equities might be up a little bit in prefutures we all know that story it's going to be all about the 10:00 eastern data back to you. >> rick, i was honestly saying before we came to you this is the first time in history i care about the ism nonmanufacturing index to look it up and figure out what this might become in on i've never cared about it before >> there are two ways to look at it i was there for the manufacturing number i also caution, no matter how it turns out for viewers and investors that are watching, not even several hours will determine the outcome. there are grand issues like trade that need to be resolved even if they occur tomorrow, even if it's the best deal, it

will take time to filter through. the markets have a lot on their plate. >> this is a sentiment indicator. this isn't what's happening -- >> it's a squishy number >> it is the places you've seen because of weakness in what's to come. absolutely but it is oficanado of the markets. >> okay, rick, stand by. obviously 10:00 a.m. is going to be the big moment. of course we have the jobs number tomorrow. we have the initial jobless claims steve is on set with us looking at those >> if we're having weakness in the jobless data one thing we don't talk a lot about, putting it in other times

and expansion under rate those who are covered by insurance and employed in getting insurance. that's down to a record low of 1.8% when we have trouble in the economy this shoots up 5% or higher it was up near 7%. part of this is harder to get employment some of the state level stuff that's happening i don't know if this will be quite like the jobs market tormz. if c.e.o.s were concerned. that's not showing up in this data >> thank you: >> chief global strategist at morgan stanley investment, i

want to talk about one of your latest pieces on china and your recent visit there just in general terms ism services, the overall economy in recession fears are justified, yes or no. we just discuss the data at lengths jobs market data that in a newly shell tells you what's happening in the global economy. the single reason why global growth was a decade or two ago, demographics hasn't been selfishly internalized per capita returns, it's not bad including japan. we are still so focused on headline gdp growth numbers. our bias is still what happened between 1950 and 2008. when it grew 4% because of a

demographic, just as you had the global crisis in 2008, it was seeing a demographic cliff the working population of the world was beginning to really fall off very sharply after having exclude you had in the post war -- >> even in china we think there are a lot of workers utilized. that's amazing i was in china as you referred to what's remarkable there now, they cannot grow at 6% any more. that is or close to full employment at whatever growth rate we have just now. why do we need to citing this recognition that what economic growth used to be in the post-war era just isn't any more because of the four ds >> the most important one, demographics, the world population growth rate is half what it used to be in 2008

>> that's amazing. i thought automation was going to take over and we would have too many people. >> that's the opposite of what happened we need robot to help us >> they are. when you went to china, there were some today. the working population is too old or shrinking, so you need robots to -- complement rather than -- you've been worried about this awhile. it's helping, not hurting. >> the global rate today is close to an all-time low despite you have the single most important reason you have slow economic growth. second, dee globalization. everywhere now, this is not just about strayed. in terms of focus and globalization. even people flows, as in china

when i was there, the digital system is totally independent, what entinternet services you c use. you have that on those four vectors. you ha you have too much debt >> that causes slower growth >> it wasn't there in the 1980s, 2000, when you have debt surging, it was helping economic growth as well and the fourth d has to do with declining productivity >> declining productivity. that's a p >> declining productivity -- therefore i think the defining feature of the global economy are 4 ds, that accounts for half of economic -- >> are we having a problem with

demographics de-mobilization keep the surplus labor from getting to the surplus demand for labor >> of course >> one and two are working with peach other. we have this information slow down but our ability to out source and going down in fact, this is what we do now. dee globalization is happening because of social reasons. the fabric in many parts of the world has been torn a bit because of the influx we've had. that's a reality it should be countered by more reality. we have this reality of the four ds which are dragging down global growth everywhere there is not one country in the world today that is growing at a faster pace compared to a decade ago. right that's a remarkable thing,

did you see this landed in china with an indian passport the scanner speaks to you in automated hin difficult. no clerks, only a scanner that recognizes you as the person who 3w50kd the room. you open the key with just your face and you have a digital payment app because no one has catch >> this is all is this all seems like it's good >> in china it is. my second story which is that we were all concerned me about the fact china may face a financial crisis because of the incredible debt it had built up how did it avoid this? the single business has avoided that because of the -- the

biggest revolution is happening in china if you look at many key internet services, many tech services, china's penetration levels and usage is at comparable levels to many countries, in some cases even higher than what's here some of the sophisticated department stores you will see in the world are in china. with drones and without any cash i was there and i saw that the other thing which is remarkable how they cleaned up crime. >> facial recognition, all the criminals left we talked about that, too. they're doing it with license plates >> i know one thing, there are going to be a lot more robots when this is over. we trailed japan i know people want fewer of them you don't watch tv you don't watch "squawk box.

>> i find when you go to these places, you get the story line 4 d is hitting the entire world. thank you. >> we have another story breaking this morning which is tesla announcing a record 97,000 vehicles delivered the stock is down sharply because that number is actually short of forecast. joining united states on the 99 to helping us break this down published a note on this topic you look at these numbers off by about 2000 vehicles, what does it say to you? >> sure, thanks for having me. we thought it set a new quarterly record in terms of sales, the q2 number and also there was this email that was leaked in recent days that elon musk was telling employees they had a shot of hitting 100,000.

so, they fell short of that. the stock is trading lower, significantly lower but don't we have the situation, this is a quarterly email gets leaked how great the numbers are good as the email indicates. in the old days you would tweet it out >> that's right. we think the company does itself no favors by playing into this, you know, quarter to quarter score guarding if they said here's what we think the company looks like three, five, ten years down the road -- >> you think the stock is half what it is today >> we do this is our top short idea, $135 price target more than 100 points lower to be clear you are far for being a's bull 106,000 cars, did they make it

>> we think there is' a chance because they do it will be coming on line we think, in the next -- elon musk speculated -- i don't know speculated. suggested he can build 1,000 cars a week. will -- that's high. that's what they're building towards. start-ups take longer than many anticipate so -- >> how much of this is a supply problem, meaning can't get the cars out the door fast enough, and how much of this is a demand problem, vis-a-vis, cars coming online or cars period? the problem is in a deep downturn right now chinese auto sales are down to

the date in a very inopportune time elsewhere they have a lot of competition that will be coming very soon. we think there's 30 years e.p. models most will be available for the u.s. tax credit. that's going away at the end of the year that places them at a sick -- to the competition. >> we appreciate you jumping on the phone after the news broke talk to you soon >> thank you >> still to come, technology take down is the sector helping to fuel the sell off, or simply getting caught up in it? we're going to survey the biggest names and possible buying opportunities when "squawk box" returns

welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc take a look at the futures right now. we are off about 31 points nasdaq looking to open down about 6 points right now s&p 500 off about 3 points >> all right

just under an hour to go till the opening bell on wall street. dominic chu is standing by he has a look at the top stock movers are there any on the up side >> there are some on the up side we'll kick it off with crowd strike up 3% at this stage, roughly 12 to 15,000 shares premarket volume the cyber company gets upgraded at sun traft robinson humphrey it was a hold rating the price target stays at 830 bucks. they say it has made a cyber security product that will define the industry and they like the trebnds in market shar. that's up in the morning so far. next up is google parent alphabet, also up albeit fractionally the internet advertising video and search giant are up fractionally around 2000 market shares volume. class a voting shares. analysts of deutsche bank upped their stock to $1,600.

it was 1475. they keep the buy rating they cite google cloud services businesses, those shares in the green. we'll end on shares of delta airlines, down 7%, this is america's biggest airline by market value it gets downgraded from a neutral to buy over at buckingham research. the price target goes from 58,000 to 74 they see the shares lower and lower through 2020 regardless of economic conditions stay steady or get worse they do ad if you have a time horizon, some investors may find value at current levels. two green, one red i'll send things back to you >> great to see you. stocks taking hits yesterday some of the biggest technology names were the biggest decliners. taking a look at the sector and whether now is the time to buy or sit on your hands is from

canaccord genuity. let's ask first on this, michael, what do you think is this a time to be selling or was yesterday's sell off a bit of a piling opportunity? >> i think we're close to a time to be buying >> not close to a time to be buying >> out there, yes. >> a little more than a few weeks ago. have you head winds building up. especially political pressure. we're heading into an election cycle, usually a tail wind, but some of the regulatory scrutiny of stocks but, overall, we don't want to be too offensive and avoid this sector too much when the market comes back, there is real growth here. >> what about valuations overall? >> overall valuations are reasonable you know and we do our advising folks to be a little more focused on some of the more reasonable valued stocks like google and facebook. two stocks that aren't, don't really have a lot of valuation

support but we think are going to be the new leadership, a lot of us are looking at the tech sell-off sort of coincides with those ipos you think there is a lot of fundamental upside there >> we will come back let's get your thoughts, too you like technology? particularly the internet stocks or not >> we like the valuation you look at facebook, it's 17 times next year's earnings, $10 per hair you are getting to a point where valuation is reasonable. everybody left because they crowded the regulatory headline, they put it into software and software went to a point of no return in some of these names. i think effectively the internet's group has underperformed, the nasdaq under performed, the broader software group if you look at the rest of the tax. as michael said, some of the valuations earlier it was down in the teen, facebook 17 times now on texture earnings number

it looks more reasonable tactically investors are in defense mode they don't want to touch the group until we're in earnings. i think we're in a short-term vacuum we had clients last month. they're not ready to go on the long term. tactically i think there is a short pause. >> you don't worry about the regulatory overhang like facebook >> we do as i have been saying this regulatory overhang has been hon the stocks for the last year you look at google the last few weeks with the new regulatory overhang, google's stock has held flat. it's up a little the rest of the group has come up hard. so we're off 14% from the top. google has been hit less hard because of it was already embedded in the stock. so i think a lot of the regulatory overhang is there i think that's now kind of baked into a lot of these stories. >> michael, why do you like uber

and lyft >> i think that they are building great big businesses that are going to grow for a long time. you look at uber works announcement this morning, where they're having a gig worker job finding app that you know folds to other drivers, but other workers can use to find work they're taking a platform that they've built to a lot of new businesses which sounds a lot like amazon, a lot like google go then you think about a situation where we work where they expanded too fast, too many businesses how do you come down to a profit where you do those things and go ahead and try to grow? >> beth stocks are down 45% from their ipos it reminds me a lot of facebook's ipos. five or six months after facebook was public it was trading 18 to $19 a share. it's up 90% since then >> it was profitable back then >> it was profitable. >> that's a big difference >> that's the thing i don't get about this >> well, we've seen with amazon

that over time the public investors are willing for good management teams and good strategic positions to under write. >> can i ask you a simple question i think there is a vast, i think that there is an amazon myth out there and all these companies want to say, i'm amazon, i'm amazon, i'm amazon, guess what amazon raised money once in the ipo. that was the end of it it wasn't multiple things that had to happen, it wasn't endless red. they were able to finance themselves you tell me how this looks like amazon him i'm not telling you uber or lyft are bad businesses. i don't think they're comparable i've never understood that comparison >> well, they're not comparable now, they just got started. >> let's look at a calendar, do you remember when they started because this is not just getting started. it's not a couple years out here. >> they are fully funded like they're not gentleman to need to raise more money. >> ever ago en >> unless they want to

it's not going took need they enough cash stocked away to get them through this investment period you just got dramatic growth in that seconder. i think the sector will get a lot bigger i don't know one person who is using lyft or uber less than they were before >> boy, i hope you are right. >> michael, thanks, for coming in brent, it's good to see you again this morning. >> thanks, >> meantime, we want to get down to the new york stock exchange where our good friend jim cramer is with us what do you think of this uber/lyft call right now before we get to another top sick in. >> looking uber has a couple growth businesses, they're not one to know. they've got this absolutely terrific uber, i'd say it's a trucking and fleet business that really is making it so that prices are much lower for truck transport. because they have brought a whole new group of drivers in. i think that was working uber 8

pla freight. uber eats is doing well. those are a part of the ecosystem. without that, andrew, it's a cab company. >> we have a couple other numbers out. you got tesla. we were just talking about it. we also have pepsico numbers out and i want to get your gamble on. >> i think tesla people are going to come back and say they really do make a lot of cars it's down right now, the bears are trying to press their bet. i think that may turn out to be not a great bet. remember, amazon did a convertible bond, they raised about, they were trying to raise a half a billion they ended up raising 1.25 billion. people had such strong demand. we have to remember people liked amazon from the get-go because it added a model that demonstrated they could win on scale. we've got a lot of models that lose on scale. just say no to airbnb. can we just go on strike right now? we don't need the airbnb deal.

it will hurt the stockmarket just say no, andrew. >> we will have a longer conversation about that one next time we have an opportunity to talk we got to run. we will see new a couple minutes, "squawk on the street". we tell everyone, don't miss an interview on "mad money" with bill newland, the ceo of constellation brands, that comes your way at 6:00 p.m. this evening. stay tuned "squawk" returns if just a minute

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