they are halted. official word is they are halted due to news pending. don't know what that news is, don't know if they heard anything else from the faa, lots of speculation about the leadership there we are out of time "squawk on the street" will pick this up now. gentlemen, thank you, all. >> happy holidays. join us tomorrow we're going to hand it to "squawk on the street" now and wait for the boeing news. >> we are going to watch that. good monday morning, welcome to "squawk on the street. cramer has the morning off this hour jim stewart with the "new york times," cnbc contributor, author of "deep state" is with us for the hour great to have you, jim. >> good to be here. >> futures are up on a holiday shortened week closed wednesday for christmas

a shortened session tomorrow and we're going to watch this news, whatever it is, as it is halted, currently for news pending comes on the heels of front page story in the "times" today, which says a couple of different things, one, he was dressed down by the faa chief earlier in the year told not to ask for any favors and says the halt of production of the max in their words is one of most consequential decisions in the company's 103-year history. we don't know what this news is, jim, probably wouldn't surprise many people if it involved mull muilenburg's tenure. >> his top priority has got to be getting along with charming and sharing and being transparent with the regulators. i would have thought that would be crystal clear the day of the first crash. how did it reach that juncture shocking one thing he says is

don't ask for any favors was he expecting him to ask favors that is not a good situation to be in. that's just one small way, part of the way, this crisis has been handled for the last year, which will be a business school textbook study one thing that always struck me about this, it surprises management, the mantra i always heard was underpromise and overdeliver. and what has boeing and muilenburg done, they have done the opposite from the very beginning, overpromising and underdelivering, more times than i -- >> absolutely. striking the comments by gary kelly, southwest ceo, who has been on our air, critical of the process here, talked about perhaps looking at airbus airplanes in the future, but says that the promises boeing made in the spring, going back to april, the return of the max was not a matter of months, but weeks and said that that overconfidence on the manufacturer's part really created havoc within his airline and him going on the record is

probably not a mistake >> no, it is not and as you said, we talked directly to mr. kelly about his frustration at this point and you had as you again, carl, these stories both in the journal and the times sort of detailing the journal story very, very specific in all the different ins and outs of what has happened at boeing, you know, i think it is safe to assume that mr. muilenburg will no longer be the ceo of this company. i guess i'll keep that in the realm of speculation based on what i know at this point. i would say it is very much informed speculation, but let's wait and see what the news actually is, we will get it, my question would be certainly who would take a -- from muilenburg, will mr. calhoun, who has been running the company, lack of a better term, certainly very much involved in the day to day at this point as the chairman of the board, will he just add that or are they going to have

somebody else but i think it is safe to say that we can expect mr. muilenburg will no longer be the ceo of the company. >> one thing that surprised me about this is not just that thats thetha there was a political failure. i heard him described as a technocrat, you can imagine he wouldn't be that savvy to the politics of this, the public relations part of it, but what about the engineering this is what baffled me. the old 737 flew for decades without any significant problems so they put this software thing on there, i guess it is supposed to be a safety feature, it causes two crashes they say no big deal, we'll fix the software why didn't we get a better understanding of what was this device to begin with, how did it change the old system, how valuable is it

we never got any explanation of this and waving it off like it is a big deal, that is a huge engineering failure. >> the starliner botched mission to the iss, just landed in new mexico, from what they called a bull's islanding, do you think that was compounding the problems from muilenburg they have already let go of the head of the commercial aircraft division, david says calhoun is in there running things operationally as a chairman. haven't they made enough management moves or not? >> i can't speak to the space thing. it certainly is terrible optics. the timing is terrible but i wouldn't read too much into it. i don't know what the technical challenges were again. there was a lot of confidence expressed, overconfidence, people were expressing something really good and saying they're skrut ncrutinizing this to make it goes well and it didn't

that's embarrassing. it is not as big a part of the company. i'm not enough of a technician to know how technically sophisticated these things are but could be a -- problem. >> it is a microstory from a news stand point in a way, very much a macro story because of the impact of the overall economy, 600 suppliers for the plane and the market itself, we know what a heavy price foot that boeing brings to the industry. >> the dow, price weighted index as well, something we point out a lot. no other company with the impact on the economy on the way boeing does, given the number of -- the number in terms of the exports and everything else. so there is no doubt, i mean, .3% now in gdp, but we're getting the news now, carl, my understanding is, so let's -- yeah, he's stepping down don't have any specifics beyond that i'm looking right now. i don't know that you do in terms of who is taking over.

that's been really one of the key questions, could you possibly look outside, will calhoun take over in the time being? what have you got? >> calhoun will be named president and ceo. this is according to release out of boeing right now. >> yeah. >> board of directors named the current chairman, david calhoun as ceo and president effective january 13th of next year. will remain on the board and lawrence kellner, you see it by now. >> as anticipated, listen, we have been talking about mr. muilenburg and what seemed to be the -- element impossibility of him staying at the company, some have wondered why he's been there already through this this long. at the same time, you sort of always wonder when the best time for a transition like this would occur. the idea of going outside many people said seemed to be something that would not necessarily be in the best interests of the company calhoun has been in there. very much strong hand of late.

and so not a surprise that he would be the one to step in at this point in terms of the company's ceo. >> one thing we don't really know is what muilenburg has been telling the board all along. if he was telling the board the same things he was telling the public, you can understand that at least initially they would have thought, well, obviously we should stay with him, this is such a big deal, we'll solve the problem. but i find somewhat surprising is it took so long for the credibility gaps to begin to appear between the board and him. there have been a lot of misstatements, overpromises, underdelivering. almost over an entire year so doesn't surprise me that the board would have, you know, come to this conclusion again, i agree, it is surprising they didn't do it sooner >> we should make clear that muilenburg is out effective now. >> immediately. >> they're not going to wait the cfo greg smith will serve as interim ceo during transition. we look between the lines on these news releases, but there is no well wishing of muilenburg in terms of quotations from

calhoun. >> no, yeah. all they're talking about is being pleased that mr. calhoun agreed to lead boeing and that they look forward to working -- they look forward to working with him yeah, your point is well taken, carl, there is no -- usually there is that paragraph thanking somebody for their service and wishing them well, that does not -- that is not the case. so muilenburg is no longer the ceo of boeing. mr. calhoun will take over on the 13th not sure about that why they need three weeks there and mr. smith will be the interim. >> i think another point that you made is that boeing sits at the center of a huge economic ecosystem. you can imagine the calls they have been getting from the suppliers, the fuselagemake, now sitting in wichita with a field for of undelivered and looking at 50% of their revenue going down the drain or commercial airlines who have been -- critical, loyal customers.

and if i was any of those, i would be on the phone to the board with some pretty pointed comments >> it takes news like this to bring jim cramer to the phone on vacation jim, it is good to talk to you this morning along with your friend jim and david and me. what do you think of this? let's start there. >> i think that there may have been one of those situations where it was impossible with all these different amenities as long as he was there he presided over what happened i don't think that -- someone has to be held accountable will be the top guy. boeing is an honest, great company. they won't let other people. they did have underlings that left many of us felt like wait a second, how about the top guy? i know david has been i'd say insistent, and i said, no comment. but in fact, someone had to pay the price. and it has to be him i'm glad that greg is hanging

on, greg was the guy who was running it day to day, running the investigation part and he's a terrific guy and he has a lot more loyalty, more loyalty to him than there is to dennis. >> calhoun is taking over, jim which again i don't think is that much of a surprise given what, you know, i've been hearing of late, i assume you have as well it is not an interim role either mr. smith, who is going to be the interim ceo for three weeks for whatever reason calhoun is not actually taking over as ceo until the 13th of january and kellner will become chairman. >> i think calhoun as we all know -- we thought -- very difficult to imagine him not being ceo. and this will be very good you simply had to get muilenburg out to get this process going. i don't think anyone wanted to deal with him. that first day he appeared in front of congress was a disaster people will never forget that.

he had -- they asked him about his pay package, and he said it was up to the board, come on it is up to you. be human and i think this was an actual response and i think now the process that we have i think it is going to accelerate whatever was going to happen people realize this plane is going to be on the air some day. i don't think that dennis was going to get to the promised land. >> yeah, jim, to your point, calhoun's quote here i strongly believe in the future of boeing and the 737 max. it zmdoes not look like they hae any questions long-term about the viability of the model notwithstanding whatever engineering changes they need to make >> no, absolutely. i think that there is that vast -- i think that the -- look, all the -- everyone has a lot invested in this you have to reinvent the plane another thing that really bothered me about what dennis was doing. why not ever just come out and say, you know what, we didn't

make enough redundancies in this plane. we screwed up. it was bad we thought it was safe it is safer than any other plane, but we should have had a -- and that's what -- people say, why is it taking so long? you are rebuilding a plane they keep making software changes, they have to rebuild this plane the plane did not have enough. >> we mentioned the times piece this morning, jim, at the top of the hour, and the quotes from gary kelly who as you know talked to us repeatedly about this process by the time april rolled around, boeing was telling us next week. next month we were a week away, weeks away, three weeks away it was really creating havoc that's about as granular a look as we have gotten in terms of the relationship between boeing and its customers. >> i went back to the april release, you go back to the april release, they were pretty certain this thing was going to be in the air momentarily. i don't know how they got that

they were dreaming i do not know how they got that. you have to believe it was dennis telling everybody it was going to be fine even at the end, they based the projection for 2020, you think, say, listen, don't worry, don't worry. everyone was worried except for dennis >> so we do -- we think the dividend question answered or that changes with this news? >> i think that the -- they got to get this in the air the cash flow wasn't bad in the last quarter that wasn't really emblematic. i think they have -- look, i want to hear what calhoun says and i want to hear what someone -- someone who does not have anything to do with what occurred because i think we all know that cash flow is not -- a prudent person would not necessarily let that dividend stay at this level. >> jim, stay right there let's bring in phil lebeau phil, we're all -- i'm at least reminded of your interview with muilenburg in the halls of

congress just prior to his testimony. and although he wasn't expecting to take questions at the time, you did ask him about his ten e tenure did you see this coming? >> i was not surprised when i heard the news this morning, when my producer -- i'm on vacation like jim and my producer called me and said news pending. i said i bet you dennis not being ceo anymore. this was the decision of the board. this was not dennis muilenburg saying, look, things are rough, i'm maybe not the person to lead this, he was fired this is the board saying enough, we have to move in a new direction. they deliberated over the weekend before they reached the decision last night, there was a phone call the board held to reach that consensus last night when they decided they were going to go in a different direction with david calhoun, coming in as president and ceo, starting effective january 1st some people say why doesn't he start right now? that's one of the things we're trying to figure out, it is not

like three weeks are going to kill anybody, but at the same time this is a company that -- that's one of the questions that will be asked along with the dividend question. we're not expecting to hear from david calhoun or from greg smith or any of the other boeing executives or board members today. my sense is that is going to be happening in rell of in relatir though we hear from david calhoun in the release from the company in answer to your first question, i was not surprised. this was increasingly a company where were not managing this crisis, the crisis was managing them at some point the accountability has to go to the ceo and i know some people will say this is way too long in coming, should have happened sooner, this was a crisis that was poorly handled, poorly managed from the beginning and ultimately dennis muilenburg has to take the fall for that. >> phil, it is david tell us a bit about calhoun.

you conducted a long interview with him not that long ago. i've been hearing and i know you are much closer to it as well that he certainly has been very much hands on as the company's chairman what can we expect here in terms of his leadership, he's taking over january 13th, and obviously it is not an interim designat n designation. he's going to be the company's ceo and president. >> i would say that the biggest thing you'll notice and influence has already seen in the decision that was made after dennis muilenburg met with the head of the faa last week, where they withdrew any kind of a timeline for getting the max back in the air, that's going to be the influence of david calhoun. i think he's watched this. and he has said, no, no, you cannot continually say we're going to have it up by this date we're getting there. we're making steady progress i think his approach is going to be get it fixed, get it right and when it is ready, then we go until then, nothing is served by continually giving the street,

your customers, the airlines, this sense that, hey, the plane is going to be flying. you will hear airlines set these dates and continue moving back some of that is based on discussions with boeing. the other part of that is they have continually moved these back and two months, three month increments because they have got to set their pilot schedules you can't go open that -- yo can't say, well, i'm never -- we don't know what the schedule is going to be for this plane you got to set that schedule two or three months down the road. i suspect that will continue until we get some definitive word from david calhoun and the rest of the leadership at boeing this is what we're going to do by the way, stan deal who runs commercial airplanes and has for some time since kevin mccallister was fired, he's in lockstep with calhoun in terms of style and approach. very much a detailed oriented -- i'm not here for the

conversations or for the public statements i'm here to get this done. so i think they'll work well together >> phil, i got -- i want to get to jim, the stock has now resumed trading up 2% here one question for you, phil, do you have an answer as to why they seem to overpromise repeatedly the return to service? do we know internally what they're -- did they honestly believe this, were they trying to cover for something else because we have talked so long about the value of underpromising and overdelivering >> i think they were overconfident in their ability as engineers to engineer their way out of this problem. and one of the things i'm reminded of, carl, is very early on there was a briefing out in renten of here is the problem, and we're going to explain what we're doing, but we don't want the cameras rolling during the explanation. a little odd, but all the reporters that were there accepted it, you had to accept it

and immediately questions started coming i'm not an aerospace engineer, but i was asking questions as were other reporters that were basic questions and it was clear, they were, like, well, we'll get an answer for that and we think we any what we're doing and that was the very first instance you sat there and said, no, no, no you can't just engineer your way out of this. you have got to handle some of the most basic questions on this and i think that it is to the broader issue, the culture great company, great engineers, but in this case, they over -- they rely too much on their belief that their engineering could work their way out of this problem. >> jim, how about the price action here? 336. >> i think that it makes sense phil is so right anybody trying to follow this period, you never knew -- they were always one step up, one step behind the policy you never, ever -- you pick up

the paper, and there would be something. no matter what you did, they just -- they never -- they were very unprofessional about it and the only thing i can say is that i was -- the stock is worth more without dennis than with. maybe the headline surprise factor is over this can be -- it is a crisis. there is crisis management to be done there are professionals who know how to handle crises, particularly with journalism and the analysts and these guys didn't have it it was really unbelievable you wake up and say, hey, guys, why didn't you tell me this? why didn't you tell me the -- why didn't you tell me the journal? why didn't you tell me this? why didn't you tell me that? they had no control. it was just -- it was embarrassing it was embarrassing. >> phil, you're still there, right? the only feedback i'm getting thus far on terms of why the

little bit of a gap between now and the 13th apparently calhoun has some other nonboeing related commitments he needs to fulfill and make sure he sort of squares away before he takes over as full time as the company's ceo and president. but, phil, you know, there also is a sense that i've been hearing and i know you have as well that muilenburg has been focused on the return to service, the suspension from last week was a big deal on something he had been focused on, but the board felt like, okay, he's dealt with that, and calhoun's feedback from customers and regulators was he cannot continue as the ceo i assume you sort of heard similar. >> yes yes. and this feeds into what i know you and i and jim and i and we discussed this before, whether or not there is a residual impact of the prices you bet there is take a look at what happened with the 777 x look at what happened with the

newest plane that has been essentially shelved for a while. what they call the middle of the market airplane. they were supposed to introduce it in paris. they didn't because they're focused on the max what happens airbus comes out with the a-321 xlr. they start racking up orders not little orders, substantial orders the most recent of note, three weeks ago, united airlines says we want that airplane. we want 50 of the a-321 xlr. boeing's middle of the market airplane remains on the -- who knows if we'll see it by the time that the air show comes up in july. but one thing is clear, they were not in the process of saying, what is on the horizon they are one step behind the competition right now. and that is something that is completely unacceptable in boeing, completely unacceptable. i think the board finally said, we have got to -- it is time to move forward and become much more aggressive in terms of our

planning, working our way out of this crisis, working our way back into the better standing with our customers. >> jim stewart, i wonder if you think there will be a revisitation of discussion of mu muilenburg's comp. >> after performance like this, i think jim cramer mentioned these crises are not a new thing. it is not like boeing really had to reinvent the wheel here the specific facts maybe, but the kind of problem, there are experts, many people dealt with it i'm stunned the model they seem to have followed was the wells fargo model. again, a great company, a great brand name, had the warren buffett stamp on it, like the state of the art banking thing, and suddenly, i mean, after a horrible performance in front of congress, and after, you know, revealing all the customer problems, it dawned on people that the culture had

significantly changed without any realizing it and the rot had spread from the top way down i think boeing is a great company. i have to wonder what are we going to find out now. the -- maybe it is not just this one software thing again, this delays on the new plane implementing, in the background of all this has been this disturbing idea to me anyway that they were managing boeing like any other company, like how can we squeeze more profit, how can we speed this stuff up, how can we cut costs boeing is a unique company it is a consumer facing company, an industry facing company, a public regulatory issues, people's lives are at stake every time one of those thins takes off. it can't be about profit first t has got to be about quality. >> not to mention it is part of a duopoly where you think the pressures are not as great on it, it is not going to lose market share conceivably

not over any short period of time that was a surprise i think -- >> that's extraordinary that they should be taking the long-term view it is a duopoly. they can afford to let the profit margins go down in the long-term interest of shareholders and the health of the company. and i don't -- i am astonished that they lost that fundamental outlook on muilenburg. >> jim cramer, if jim stewart is right and new facts get shaken loose by muilenburg's exit, do you think there will be long-term implications or pricing? >> i think there will be one of the things that dish know phil is talking about this too, one thing that gets past, you pick up the paper and very high level engineer, who would have sent something to muilenburg saying, look, we cannot cut costs like this, we cannot do this, and then you have a call at boeing and they're, like -- then another one we have decided to cut back, save, i don't want to work here

anymore. don't worry about it i never have been told don't worry about it more in my life than from boeing and i got to tell you, i'm really worried about it. these guys are saying don't worry about it >> yeah. >> phil, i know you have to leave in just a couple of moments here do you want to put a coat on this and tell us what we should be looking for in the weeks ahead? >> i bet you have a relatively quiet week or two here from david kelly. doesn't mean he's not engaged. he clearly is engaged. he'll be even more engaged but in terms of a public statement, i think that he at some point maybe early january will say, okay, let me give you some sense of where we're going. we will not get a timeline from him when he sits and talks with us or me or other reporters, but you will see a definitive shift, definitive shift in how boeing

approaches not only this crisis, but how the company is going to be operated going forward. it will be much more clear that there is going to be accountability, that there is going to be a much greater rigor if that makes sense when it comes to not only engineering, but decisions, working with customers, et cetera. >> phil lebeau who is vacation i think might be cut a little bit short this morning phil, i think we'll see you later on today thank you. jim will stick around as we get closer to the opening bell more broadly, jim, is this a signal that we should be on the lookout for some tape bombs in this holiday shortened week? >> this was certainly -- let's put it this way, can't be -- we had the bear market, centered around -- won't feel like that

can't be as bad as last year this is probably welcome by a lot of people who have been buying boeing stock. i think knowing there was going to be a -- i think we just didn't know the time frame you wanted someone that was like phil lebeau said, someone who said, look, whatever we were doing here, we have to have an actual investigation, internally about what went on a lot of us were shocked that boeing never said, all right, let's find out what happened. shut down everyone it is going to cost us, i don't know, $5 billion and if we have to, we'll spend the dividends. but we're not going to sacrifice anything, no sacrifice safety, tired of hearing we're taking short cuts that's what people felt they were doing never did the -- never hide the prices never gave us any sense of about what was going to happen

>> jim, thanks to you. jim cramer, if you missed the news about half an hour ago, dennis muilenburg of boeing is out. david calhoun is ceo and president effective january 13th muilenburg's exit effective immediately as the fallout from the 737 max continues. there is the opening bell. and the s&p 500 at the cnbc real time exchange and the big board, it is the new york chapter of the national children's chorus, might have heard them singing in the background as we were talking some boeing at the nasdaq the national women's hockey league. david, on monday morning, got started with a bang. >> yes, yes. we got some significant news and, again, as i think phil and jim and i had indicated, it is not a surprise the timing really was the only question many of us had in termsof when muilenburg would exit, not necessarily whether or not it would happen it has turned resignation, he was dismissed as phil said

decision they reached last night, though one that they had certainly been moving towards for quite some time it would appear in part, the timing i'm told was due to the fact they feel as though muilenburg's sort of checklist of things in terms of the dealing with the return to service as his focus and the suspension of manufacturing of the airplane, those were the key things that he had been dealing with they have been dealt with at least to some extent and mr. calhoun's discussions with regulators and customers made it clear to the board at least and remember he was the chairman of that board that muilenburg had to go so he's gone, calhoun is in, you heard phil discussing what we can expect from him when he he takes over january 13th. and boeing shares are starting the day higher >> it is interesting you mentioned the chairman and the

ceo role taken away from him this was healthy from the company, you have an independent chairman, you have an independent information flow when there is a combined ceo and chairman, you don't have that. the same person is hearing from everyone why a lot of ceos do not want to give up the chairman job this is a case study why you have it. >> that's a great point as well. wasn't that long ago that was the case, of course, and calhoun was as you say another sort of set of eyes and ears and very much focused and in recent weeks i've been told also, really involved in the nuts and bolts of the company beyond what you typically see for a chairman >> would it surprise you if we're assessing this as a clean slate, right calhoun has a tabula rassia to come back in would you expect further delays to return to service, man a second half story? would that surprise you? >> i wouldn't be at all surprised. i mean, i think, again, he's got a shift to this, we got to start beating expectations as opposed to disappointing them.

if it was me, i would want breathing room and the time and to make sure we really do it right, boeing does it right. and i would say no more additional delays, once i say it is going to happen, it has got to happen. >> a lot of that is contingent on regulators and so forth. >> and make sure they're on board with whatever they're going to say sounds like the regulators were surprised and shocked by some things that mulan bure muilenbug said. >> boeing given the price action now is adding 70 points. that's the top performing dow component on this morning followed by 3m, we get to other stories here, does get up to jpmorgan to neutral. they go 143 to 150 one of those names that has disappointed pretty much all year long amid pruessures on global trade 2020 will feel different from a trade standpoint >> look, we're getting promising signs out of china that's been -- that's been the big news and the past year and

china, all the trading partners revealing what is the biggest one. the problem now is expectations have shifted so much that there is risk of down -- a big surprise on the downside we got some kind of trade war going on with latin america. i don't know how significant that is go to be i think people didn't pay much attention, but a couple of weeks ago, the u.s. threatened to drastically lift tariffs on europe again like 100% on a lot of the products trump on the one hand is saying they want this glorious free trade deal we're saying we're going to, like, ratchet up all these things, especially france and uk and the -- talking about airbus, that is related to that. work getting some more friction in the europe area i'm not at all confident that at least for the first half of the year these trade things are going to go away >> losers this morning at the open, at least, are centered

around media as disney's rise of skywalker is the lowest grossing open among the last three "star wars" films, 20% down from last jedi on a day where we learned that 34% of total box office, 39 maybe, is the top ten films, like it is becoming the faang as someone said of the box office >> one thing that worries me having written about disney over many years and also watching entertainment industry for so many years is that, you know, everybody thinks disney has the silver bullet, the big tent pole, high budget franchise film and has worked fantastically well for them. i can remember other cycles where people thought they had the silver bullet. there was the eisner -- that was the formula. they had like 19 profitable movies in a row. okay, they solved the mystery. they got it all down it just makes me nervous that

none of these formulas last forever. and a lot of this intellectual property, let's face it, it is -- it is aging. how many "star wars" things can you squeeze out of this? a lot, i don't mean to take away from it, still made a lot of money. but i think that's what investors are getting nervous about. >> yeah, it is worth noting netflix is also down this morning. neither one is down a great deal disney does have so many of those tent pole franchises marvel has endless -- they have endless stories to mind there and they had the highest grossing films of all time amongst any number of their new entrants or entrants in last year or two. and disney plus, hard to find somebody who doesn't think that it is going to be and hasn't already become a success given the numbers they have gotten early on. >> i agree with that what remains to be seen are where the profit margins going

to set unttle in this streaming universe you look at netflix and don't see the pot of gold at the end of that particular rainbow yet and in theory, there is going to be a finite number of these and they'll have enough market power they can begin to raise prices and come up with some pretty good margins but is it ever going to replicate the cable model? that thing, those margins were so phenomenally great. i don't think anyone thinks -- that's not to criticize disney for making the move. the cable model is not going to last. >> it is not that was a domestic model. i talked to the likes of john malone about that, he'll admit as we all know, that was a unique thing for 20, 25 years, you basically have people paying for you and not actually watching and you're also benefitting from advertising. however, the only off set is the global scale that you can have with streaming that you didn't have in the domestic cable distribution we all lived with for so long and netflix is all

about foreign subscriptions. no longer about their domestic growth the question is whether disney is going to hurt market share for them here. but it is not about whether or not they're going to grow significantly domestically in england. >> i do think if you're a long-term investor, you bet on this that it is going to take time the way amazon has taken time. there will some day be a world of finite number of streaming programmers, the entry is quite high once you got these things, you're used to going on to them, however many it is going to be, five, six, don't know what it will be. >> we don't know >> but then, you know, then you got, you know, finite number of providers here and they can start raising prices a little bit, seeing the price sensitivity and the markets could get up there to be fairly healthy. >> yeah. >> but you got to take a long-term view people seem to be giving netflix the benefit of the doubt disney has been really smart to start trying to get that multiple on their stock. let's face it, it is going to take a long time

>> without a doubt and iger will no longer be the ceo when the answers start to come in. >> he could go out on his white horse. >> yes >> we are going to hop from story to story tesla, fresh all time high this morning. 416, 415 as reuters says they are getting a loan from chinese banks, $1.4 billion to finance their shanghai factory wonder what you think of the turn this stock has done in the last six months. >> it is phenomenal. i'm happy about it i think the tesla is a great product and it is beautiful, it is innovative, quality seems to be extraordinarily high. but what we had for a period were antics if that's what you want to call it of the chief executive and again we're talking about splitting the ceo chairman, they got a separate chairman and i don't know if this is the answer but somebody has kept elon musk off the front pages for his behavior and on the front pages for the achievements of the

company. he's back on his game. he hasn't been sending out crazy tweets there haven't been, you know, ridiculous stories about his personal life. i don't know what accounts for it but it is healthy. again, i just hope it can continue. >> when you wrote -- you sort of were right in there he seemed to be a man on the edge, when you were doing a lot of your reporting and -- >> he was a man on the edge. >> got pulled back. >> yeah. i don't know what it took. and good for him, because sometimes those things -- personally very challenging. and he was in a situation where nobody ever said anything he didn't want to hear. and yet the company and he in particular seemed to be going off the rails. it is not an aircraft company. but a car too. it is something that your safety is at stake in there you don't want to feel some crazy person is rung the operation. you want somebody -- i love his flair. he tells a great story, those are all strengths. but to koppel that with behavior

that left everybody scratching their heads and worrying he was losing control, that was terrible for the company it affects consumer attitudes. but good for him stabilized he's come up with some great sales numbers. product quality has been very, very high. the stock would -- it has been -- if you bought it at that -- >> that low. it is almost the returns of the s&p over the course of the year and there was a point at which it was down so sharply still can't keep a general counsel for whatever reason. that is beyond his abilities. >> his ability would be a big plus there we'll see. he's never been an easy person to work for. not sure that's going to change. >> we're joined for some more color this morning on boeing by leslie josephs, our cnbc airline reporter what do you think we can add to the story we already know? >> i think a big question is kind of what took so long because muilenburg has been under pressure for a very long time the question was when are you

going to resign, and i think now we finally have our answer he's been under fire from airline executives whose compensation from this crisis is growing every day and now seems it is going to continue into a well into 2020, possibly into next summer. the victims of the families, i was down in washington a few weeks ago, they have wanted him out for a really long time and it is a question of how does boeing best regain trust of the actual public who could be flying these planes. >> do we have a read as to how they're going to market it would you be surprised if there say name change in the model or i don't know anything that the market is not started to price in >> that's been talked about before it is not even clear what they're going to go through with, because they don't have the faa's approval yet even if they do that, it will be boeing's best-selling aircraft, not something you can hide with a name change. the plane will be coming back and airlines will be very transparent as they told us with passengers that this is the plane. so even if you were to change those three little letters, the

max, people will know what they're flying. >> any idea about calhoun, what we can expect from him >> he has some aircraft experience before, the former ge executive on the aviation side he has plenty of experience with crises before. so the market should probably like this because this is someone who is essentially being sent in to clean up a mess >> yeah, long time blackstone as well, worked closely with steve schwartzman over there, as well. a lot of good things to say about calhoun. >> i think he's got a good resume i think one reason the stock is up is that investors will be happy with that. he's got enough of the technical expertise, very sophisticated financial background i think what is most important to him is being able to communicate. being able to kind of sell the idea that quality is our most important thing that we're going to do everything we can to make sure we adhere to that. >> really quickly, calhoun spoke

to squawk box in november about this very issue. listen to that piece of tape and ask leslie something really quick. >> from the vantage point of our board, dennis has done everything right f from the beginning, dennis didn't create this problem but from the beginning, he knew that mcas should and could be done better. and he's led a program to rewrite mcas, to alleviate all of those conditions that ultimately beset two unfortunate crews and the families and victims. >> all right, so i guess, leslie, impact on suppliers, how closely are you watching that and if this is delayed further, i wonder how much damage -- what their strategy is whether or not there is a story out today about ge trying to make some headway on the airbus front if they're going to be facing longer delays on the boeing side. >> ge has that advantage it is a supplier also to airbus.

we already have seen a fallout from suppliers spirit aerosystems, which makes fus launl fuselages for 737s continued to make fuselages even though they halted deliveries. now they're going to have to do something similar. there is going to be an impact pretty much throughout the entire economy the bigger impact is on some of the smaller suppliers, maybe they don't have the same cash cushion that a big supplier like spirit has so as you go further and further down the chain, that's what you see a bit more pain. >> i think that's right. no accident, president trump called muilenburg last week and talked about the shutdown and what it meant. the fact that this problem penetrated the oval office i think is a measure of how significant it is to the broad economy. and the threat that a prolonged shutdown would pose for it. >> and the times piece again, referencing that this morning, talks about the call -- the reassurance that muilenburg gave to the president in the early innings of this whole saga, it

would be fine and not last long. >> i don't care what he told him. it is never a good sign when the president calls you after you had to announce bad news like that, that is not a positive >> so we'll see how the gains are sustained here today regarding boeing and as we said adding 75 points to the dow overall. leslie, one more chance to add anything else you think we need to watch, whether it involves muilenburg and his future, or any further shakeout in details that may come now that his exit is announced >> i think we need to see what calhoun does and whether he's able to calm down suppliers and very important airline customers and they want those planes, we saw united pull the planes until june and that's a really long time, the second and third quarter, that's when airlines, peak revenue period. they want the planes and want them soon and want some reassurance from calhoun and see how calhoun interacts with the faa. muilenburg has been dressed down

by federal officials and a think they want to smooth that over now. >> leslie, thank you great stuff. leslie josephs covering boeing for us alongside our own phil lebeau jd.com, rallying a bit here on this report out of reuters that the logistics unit is in talks for another overseas ipo perhaps. see that >> i did, yeah which would be interesting of course sometimes we forget, we focus on alibaba, there have been any number of other chinese companies and this is one of them that have done very well. of course, ten cent is not a stock that trades here still one of the largest if not the largest single giant in china. and then there also has been properties are fight dance, t o headquarters out of china. unclear whether that will help, but it is interesting. that is not a public company,

but it is a value at least of i'm told at least $75 billion if not more the daily users that they have, carl, keep growing and they're in the billions -- over a billion -- i think a billion and a half some crazy numbers for tiktok. >> times had this great special section on the decade in tech over the weekend and one of the milestones really of the decade was tiktok's creation along with youtube's first billion hour day and the day walt first laid eyes on the ipad, tim cook taking over for steve jobs, interesting look at where tech has been. >> it has been a phenomenal decade, a great one for tech investors too. these innovations have come with a lot of wealth creation and value creation >> speaking, it is not too early to start talking about the big moves of the year. or stories of the year and apple's performance in the stock market is one of them. it is approaching an 80% gain year to date

its market value is $1.25 trillion, excuse me. and it is really fairly stunning with the stock up another 1% and then even facebook, which i would argue the story really has been is this year has gone on, a more negative one, with each passing month, and yet the stock has done extraordinarily well because the business continues to hang in there despite the concerns i think that facebook is raising and whether it comes to privacy or whether it comes to political discourse in the country. >> it was about a year ago the stock plunged. facebook in particular and i believe it was primarily over the regulatory environment and regulatory concerns and legitimate concerns that, you know, the way it was affecting elections, privacy issues, could they fix it, but i think what we have seen this year is that none of those concerns really hit the bottom line. and that, you know, maybe facebook users are worried about the things, but still using

facebook the numbers are incredible the revenue streams are incredible and so there is that huge sell-off and then there has been an equally large recovery this year. and i think apple was not so caught up in the regulatory isss it was dragged down by all of that concerns that it was tapping out the growth rate of the ishgs phone. i think where apple succeeded, it's grated an ecosystem of products once you have the laptop, the phone, you will be drawn increasingly into this ithink there's a lot of potential there. >> a remarkable chart. >> 282 and change. web bush today, you saw dan eaves on the air earlier, going to 350 from 325. remarkable after having been doubted by many. dow is up 98 i want to mention, s&p is

enjoying its best year since 2013 if we can get to 3249, you have to go back to '97 as we said the other day. 22, 23 years ago how could it be? >> i've been wondering i've seen '97, 2010, 2013, strong years we're in there few expected we would see a 28% gain at this point here we are. >> i think last year, the worst christmas eve ever if you were hard, it was hard to be super cheerful. we have a lot to celebrate this year >> this time last year, there were four sessions where the s&p dropped 8% leading into christmas eve, which was a shortened session. >> it we mireminded me again, w stocks are down, cheap, people

come to me and say should i be selling? when they're high, expensive, they want to buy last christmas especially, getting together with family, everybody was saying, my god, i feel like maybe i should sell. i kept saying, this is the time, take a deep breath >> you always have that advice stick with your plan and don't deviate frnlt >> absolutely. >> 80% of the dow's gain is boeing look at the sectors. looks like the fourth quarter today. semiconductors, sector of the year moving up 60%. china shares had a great rally optimism on the trade talks from a couple weeks ago boeing up about 3%

all rallies in the boeing stocks this started on december 5th, last year, the president said he was tariff man markets drifted lower. then december 19th, that's when the fed hiked rates, three, four days in a row we moved by that time we were down close to 15% for the month we did close off of the lows worst december 24th ever jim is right about that. the last couple of years, we have gone nowhere since january of 2018. the markets have been flat that's not the case anymore here this started in the fourth quarter here the beginning of october that's when the fed started injecting liquidity into the system don't call it qe, but october 11th, the markets started moving

here it's clear if you think of the factors that have led to this fourth quarter rally, moving to new highs, the fed injecting liquidity is one part of that whole question we have more liquidity from the fed. we have tariff trade war truce hopes, we have some hopes on the bottom of the global economy a little bit more clarity, not a lot, but more clarity and you put that together, you have a powerful stew that moves the markets up you can argue for a higher multiple on a global market bottom s&p 500 for the year up 28%. i keep arguing this is very much a super cap rally. the biggest stocks have moved the market top ten up 40% the top ten is 23% of the s&p 500. that's on the high side. it's not unusual to be over 20%. take a look. you were talking about apple your biggest stocks in the year, apple, these are the top five. apple up 77% microsoft, 55% alphabet, up 30%

amazon up 19%. facebook up 57%. guys, back to you. >> thank you let's get a check on the fixed income markets and hid over to rick santelli at the cme in chicago >> good morning, david let's look at a 24-hour of ten it was hit coming into the time zone looking at one week, you see how we stall we have real tough ceiling to get through in the mid 190s. if you look at intraday of bunds, it looks like it was firming up a two-day gives you the reality, similar to our long maturity treasury that particular global sovereign like many is also running up against near-term resistance but it's been trading quite firm finally if we look at the dollar index, it's up a bit now the one-week chart shows a nice, steady climb hovering below 97.75 right now for 2019 thus far, dollar index

up 1.5%. at one point it was up double that it did have a nasty november carl, back to you. >> all right thank you very much. jim, that was great. fun, right >> yeah. enjoyed it >> joining us for the first time on the nine and no commercial breaks >> it will be an interesting week we'll be here for it >> coming up, more on the big news this morning. dennis muhlenberg is out as ceo of boeing. shares are up. so is the market dow up 104 ever since we downloaded the 30 day fitness app,

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the experience i brought from my aviation days, and what i think is the significance overhauls that have to go on inside of our company to increase visibility on the subject of safety, straight up to the board and right down to the bottom of the organization and create more independence in the functions that represent safety >> joining us now on the phone line is former ceo of continental airlines, gordon bethune. the news today, the change in leadership your reaction. >> well, inevitable, so to

speak, given the current changes or lack of changes at boeing and the lack of progress and getting the airplane back down maybe a new chairman, larry calhoun is well known to me. perfect choice for the job and i believe that the new ceo role will add some value i think it shows mostly that boeing is committed to get this worked out and get it fixed. and lost patience with the status quo >> those comments from calhoun we just played, the fact there needs to be changes that basically take place throughout the organization, what do you think that will entail how quickly can that be implemented given everything that is going on right now >> well, mr. calhoun has a terrific resume. grand reputation of being a steady hands-on manager, he was for years at ge. i'm sure he will take that same approach within boeing and get whatever needs

straightening out straightened it l. go quicklwill go quickly. it won't take a long time. >> there had been an expectation, at least on wall street, that muilenburg would be the guy that would continue to run this company until return to service happened obviously with the news today, no longer the case is there another shoe to drop here >> it may be given that they didn't specifically say that this was a permanent change as ceo. i believe personally that he'll go in and be such an effective leader, they'll leave him in that spot and he would be a wonderful ceo permanently. that's just my two cents >> gordon, in terms of what it's going to take to fix this system, and to see return to service actually happen, the timeline continues to push back. we had more airlines push back

their timeline as well what's a realistic expectation >> i think we've gotten mired down with too many voices, too many people with different agendas in the middle of this. and that's what i think mr. muilenburg lost control of, the way forward but being pulled in too many directions with too many new critics with their own agend agendas. i think the faa will respect this move as a positive step in not only restoring good relations with them and committing the max to get certified in spite of the political opposition that it's been encountering. >> gordon, what does an airbus narrow body sales pitch sound light right now? do they reference the max? how do they leverage it? how do carriers respond? will it make a difference? >> i think they'll use the standard comparative on fuel burn, other issues, but they'll talk about reliability, stability of the airplane and of

course the availability, which is what is crucial you cut off about half of the world's supply of airplanes when you drop the max from production, airbus couldn't make enough airplanes to replace that capacity so the max has got to be done, but airbus will tout they'll get theirs delivered to you on time, that's a hell of a sales pitch >> do you see, like, can you imagine a world in which gary kelly does have multiple brands of carriers or models? >> well, i don't -- look, the 737 max is a good airplane it will fly. it will get back it's a torturous task that has been taken it's a necessary step to get that jump started again. there's not enough capacity, i'm talking about manufacturing capacity to replace boeing boeing is too vital to our economy and the supply chain

just growing population of people who travel year after year, can't keep up. so boeing has got to survive they will. it's just how much torture will it be until they get back up and running at 100%, which they used to be and can be again >> gordon, it's david, calhoun has taken over january 13th, the permanent ceo and president, has already been dealing with the regulators and customers what's that conversation between him and the head of an airline like at this point how do you sort of try to make that work? >> you can trade on one, his track record, which is a good one. mr. calhoun is well respected, and a personal representation to a company like united that i am here, we will fix it, here's what we've done, here's what we're going to do. he has a lot of credibility. that's what they need. one of the failures that occurred in muilenburg's reputation is lack of credibility. the necessary adjustment, like

mr. muilenburg, he's a nice man, but boeing needs to act, act now and the country needs boeing to get back up on its feet. >> i wonder if enough attention is being paid to the hundreds of planes that are sitting there parked waiting for certification when return to service happens the fact that the faa is now going to be doing that, rather than boeing. how big or i guess howe far out could this backlog extend and how could that effect production once you see that facility brought back to work >>s th s thathat's a good point. once you shut a production line down, it's hard to get restarted. it's another couple months at least just to get back up and get the momentum of getting in production cycles. don't forget, the supply chain for the airplane goes down to ge for engines, seat manufacturing, you just name it

they need all of those parts they're going to be kind of predicated on the slowest supplier is going to set the pace that's going to be, you know, expensive and long >> what do you think it will take for pilots to feel comfortable flying this plane again? >> i think the pilots are. i know a lot of pilots, i'm a pilot. i would feel comfortable in the airplane today it's not an airplane problem the airplane is fine they've got what's wrong fixed i think they were right to address it maybe wrong to do it in the manner they did it the airplane is fine it's an air-worthy airplane, you have a lot of factionalism between criticism of pilots and training and different country standards. so everybody is weighing in on who is the real problem. it is an airmenship issue when you look around the world. in america, you know, we have pretty high standards for pilots in this country and in europe. the pilots will not be afraid of

the airplane >> gordon, are you arguing that the crashes could have never happened with a u.s. carrier >> i'm saying that the lack of experience in airmanship lacking in both of those are detailed examples of where a competent crew member on board would have saved the airplane much like the lion air, the same issue, they had another captain sitting on the jump seat who saved the airplane so when things go wrong, runaway stabilizers, it's a memory checklist item, you don't look it up in a book, you know what to do, you disconnect the sav trim by the emergency cut off trim, you disconnect the autopilot and you fly the airplane none of that happened. the airplane was at full takeoff power until it crashed >> you and i talked earlier. i tried to ask you whether you thought airplanes in general were being over innovated or

whether the movement on the max was a moonshot, you would not go there. >> i'm not an aeronautical engineer i worked with them most of my life but i believe the airplane, we're talking about the center of gravity, the way the weight is distributed, they were addressing an issue that is a minor probability, but they put the safety measure in it, they did it the wrong way, they didn't talk about it, didn't publish it and made it an option those are all mistakes by boeing the other mistake is thinking that every pilot is as good as pilots as you have that's not true. being a boeing pilot myself, they train to a higher standard. that's just it so i think the co-pilot on the ethiopian airplane had 300 hours. he's like a passenger, he can't help you it overwhelmed them. by the time they got their senses, it was too late. that's what i think contributed to the deaths. it's not the solo reason, but it's a contributing reason that's significant

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tradeweb as a public company, we're more exposed. we have analysts following us. didn't investors even our clients around the world recognize us more. our financial information is out there. it's a positive thing. >> fixed income has been slower to adopt electronic trading, electronic marketplaces. are you finding that's changing and that that change is accelerating >> yeah. the capital markets are going digital. that's happening across the board. doesn't matter what asset class you're talking about fixed income is a bit more complicated. millions of different securities we have a global business spread out among different regions, different countries, it's taken more time for this to gradually move from a phone based business into a digital business. in fact, today many markets we're in, we're at about 25% to 50% electronic >> you did the ipo in april, follow-on offering in october. what are you using that capital

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the markets. >> will i pay less for trading a corporate bond then? that's always the sticky point for so many investors at home, just what they got to pay if they want to own these things. >> i think electronic trading affords more transparency. the more market participancy, where prices are trading, it gets more competitive and pricing becomes better >> do you think direct listings get a harsher eye in 2020? >> i'm not sure about that i think there's certainly a lot of people talking about it, interested in it it gets back to this digit digitalizati digitalization, and are we able do things more efficiently in a digital format as opposed to what has been manual or voice-based. >> the vix averaged about 16 this year. the long-run average is 19 do you think we'll beat the average? are you willing to go out there in the next 12 months? >> i don't consider myself an analyst. i tend not to make predictions

about volatility or pretty much anything but we have an election year next year. there's a lot of political things happening around the world. expect more volatility into 2020 is a reasonable assumption >> if we get less, some would be surprised. >> nice having you congratulations. >> thank you very much happy holidays >> you, too. when we come back, the key to fighting amazon we'll break down walmart's secret weapon on taking on the tech giant at wn "squawk on the street" returns.

walmart announcing a reemphases on the giant outlet superstars that it started building in the '80s, say it's the key on tato taking on amazo. today is the final day to order for amazon's guaranteed one-day shipping look at the etf xrt up over 10% for the year dipping slightly this morning. joining us today to talk about this and more, saying things are fine with the american consumer is jay rogers kniffen from jan

kniffen. welcome back >> great being here. >> all right why the reinterest in super stores >> this is really not new news doug has been talking about this for a while in pieces. they told us, wow, the super center, we can put stuff in to bringing in the customer vet care services, eye care, the kind of stuff you have to go someplace to do. so that brings in the customers. the other thing they've done, they said we'll make the super center more efficient. we don't have nearly as much help on the floor -- or rather more on the floor and less doing things like stocking shelves and being in the back room they've been able to take hours out of that part of the business they put robots on the floor to do the cleaning. robots on the floor to make sure everything is on the shelf and tell people in the back, bring something out because the shelf is missing an item they built showtowers in test se where they can do automated picking and packing of goods to

be picked up in the store or a drive-th drive-thru that makes the store more efficient and much more like an amazon distribution center and it's closer to the customer. they can deliver to you from the store. these are not new things they just put it altogether. >> overall, given the fact this year we talked about so many names that seem to have found a key to the amazon puzzle, i'm thinking target to name one, and walmart is included. what do you think is going to be left to impress investors in 2020 >> i think everybody has figured out the key, right some people can do it cost effectively. walmart and target are doing that better than other people, even though it's still a strain for them competing with amazon is tough we've all figured out the stores and advantage, if you don't have troo ma too many of them, if they're not too big or expensive whether you're macy's, kohl's, walmart or target or nordstroms, you all figured that out it's harder and harder to do

unless you're a very efficient box. the advantage to walmart and target is they're efficient boxes. they get lots of traffic walmart in particular, since it's a grocery store 58% of their business is grocery. you're there all the time. so they keep that traffic running through to support the store and bring down the cost structure. so this is what we're going to see people do. we're going to see stores close. we'll see 12,000 stores close this year. probably 12,000 stores close next year. we'll see 26 retail bankruptcies, but we're learning to compete in a world where online matters, and where the store, too, matters. everybody needs both, online and both amazon knows they need stores. all the online only guys have been building little stores. everybody figured out you have do both to serve the customer. nordstrom is a good example. they're building 1500 to 5,000 square foot stores but they're

supported by the big store walmart has 4,500 locations where they can be closer to you than amazon can. >> jan, going back to the walmart versus amazon. the "wall street journal" report about the super center, it's talking about edge commuting walmart wants to get into edge computing, become a higher margin business that will support it and allow it to keep building out retail and e-commerce capabilities as well. how -- >> the amazon model. >> exactly it's worked for amazon but for a major retailer to get into this, does this muddy the waters orb do s or does it make? >> it does both of those none of us understand it we don't know how well it will work or how fast it will happen. it's clearly something that will work if they can do it effectively because we know they need more business strategies. we know that being more in touch with the consumer can come from

the computing side, not just the retail side. and we know you can build a business there, because amazon has and we know a lot of people would like to see somebody else in the business besides amazon i think it makes good sense. the question we need to have answered now is how fast, how good, can it be done >> jan, really insightful. you have been a big help to us all year look forward to more in the months ahead see you soon >> you, oo all right. we want to, again, return to the topic of the day, boeing the leadership changes, and dennis muilenburg out as ceo next month, all eyes are on the aerospace giant, however it was a big weekend for boeing as well on the space side, specifically within the defense space and security business after star liner, its unmanned test flight of that capsule returned safely to earth yesterday morning

7:58 a.m. eastern on sunday it touched down at the army's white sands missile range in new mexico, a successful ending to a botched mission in which it failed to dock with the international space station after it launched on friday. you can see there with the video, it hurdled about 25 times the speed of sound and about a mile above earth, three t parachutes deployed and it landed in what was called an absolute bullseye. so the big question here now is what happens next for boeing's star liner, given everything that's going on with the company in general it was an automation issue it was a software malfunction that basically caused the sm spacecraft not to fly and dock with the international space station. nasa, boeing officials will be

poring through that data now to figure out what's next whether it's going to be another test flight without crew or whether they can, in the coming weeks, coming months, even move forward without a second test, since the next flight for star liner could be with humans we'll have to see how all of this plays out as well for the company. >> all right let's send it over now for our cnbc news update a court in saudi arabia has sentenced five people to death for the killing of writer jamal khashoggi. he was murdered in istanbul last year by a team of saudi agents no names were given for those found guilty three others were sentenced to prison a volcano in ecuador lit up the night sky spewing rock and lava down its slopes it's located in the country's remote amazon region the last eruption took place in

2002. a united airlines flight from new jersey had a rough landing in denver last night the crew on board flight 2429 reported a mechanical issue after the boeing 737 landed safely shortly after 7:00 p.m. some passengers said they saw sparks on the runway but no one was hurt and luxembourg will be the first country in the world to make all public transportation free this is an attempt to curb traffic congestion the capital of luxembourg sees the number of people double during workdays. this is due to an influx of workers. all fares will be abolished by next summer. you are now up to date that's our cnbc update for this hour david, back to you >> thank you when we come back, former transportation secretary ray lahoud will join us on today's big boeing ns.ew that's when "squawk on the street" returns.

boeing ceo dennis muilenburg

stepping down immediately with david calhoun set to take over next month >> dennis muilenburg had the board meeting over the phone, and the decision was made on sunday night and the effect it immediately, dennis muilenburg is out replacing them is david ka hyca. he becomes the ceo and president effective january 13th in terms of dennis muilenburg and how he is out of a job, it was just late october, early move, when november, when i pressed him on whether he should remain as ceo. >> you had more than one representative say you should resign >> i understand those inputs, i respect them again, my focus here is on taking responsibility, owning it we know what we need to fix. we're making those changes

we'll continue to get better as a company. i remain resolute on that responsibility >> what was the straw that broke the camel's back i believe based on conversations with people within boeing, who are familiar with the thought process there, it was likely that the things started to shift starting in november when dennis muilenburg and his leadership team said we expect to have this in service or certified by the end of the year. back potentially in commercial service by the end of january. that immediately set off the faa and then last week was really the final straw that broke the cam camel's back, when the faa, steve dixon, called dennis muilenburg into washington he said, nope, you don't call the shots here you will take back that timeframe and we'll let you know when this plane is ready to go that was a dressing formal dressing down of boeing's ceo.

that's when the board said this is no longer a tenable situation. it's time for a change in leadership >> you've been hearing, it i certainly had, this board, it's not like it's been lost of them. some people have told me that very interview you showed, followed by his testimony at congress didn't help muilenburg in terms of securing his future. the board was watching closely >> it was a terrible performance on capitol hill. it was really bad. it came across in the worse light in terms of how he answered the questions there was an element there that i heard from people in the company who said he comes off -- not arrogant, but clearly not as compassionate as he needs to be in a situation like that especially when family members and friends of victims, who were killed in the two crashes, you know, some of them confronted him. that was painful to watch. if you were a boeing supporter or a dennis muilenburg supporter, the end of that

hearing was really rough to watch. there were family members of these victims getting in his face saying get out. you are not the person to be running this company i think you're right i think that performance, that's really when things started to shift. that in november was not a good month in terms of them miscalculating whether or not they could count on the faa to get this plane recertified by the end of the year, which was never in the cards, but that was the public posture they took >> yeah. >> phil lebeau, thank you for bringing that additional color and those insights to us i have a feeling we'll be seeing more of you today. >> from his vacation, we should point out. >> yeah. all right. for more on boeing, let's get to former transportation secretary ray lahoud who joins us on the phone. mr. secretary, thank you for being with us today. >> good morning. good morning >> as phil just reported, the straw that broke the camel's back here, the fact that

muilenburg received a former dressing down by the faa when pressed to pull the company's timeline on return to service. when you were transportation secretary, you, too, oversaw the grounding of a boeing aircraft, the 787 dreamliner back in 2013. the fact that this would be the dynamic that's taking place, how unusual is it and what is your reaction to it >> well, i'm not surprised that the board took the action that it took. when we were involved with the dreamlin dreamliner, we were in direct contact with boeing on a daily basis. we made a decision very early on to ground those planes the ceo didn't like it at the time, but i didn't care because i was looking out for safety in the end, i think boeing ended up in a much better place after we figured out that the lithium

batteries were causing the fires. and we figured out what the fix should be for that it was done hand in glove with safety as the number one priority no compromise, no deals, but let's find the fix and let's fix it i think in the end probably the board felt that this has gone on too long, the fix had not been found. the relationship with the faa was not as great as it should be >> so the fact that we're seeing a change in leadership at the top right now at this critical juncture in the midst of this crisis, is this something that will help the company to move through this, perhaps sooner than at least up until a couple days ago was looking likely? >> the one thing that the board needs to get back on its feet, to get boeing back on its game

is to hire a ceo who puts safety as the number one priority find somebody quho has gotwho h reputation for safety. find somebody who is just somebody -- somebody who has a reputation that is impeccable. and the issue for boeing now is safety their safety image has been tarnished. when you see airlines saying we're not going to fly these planes, they're not sure they're safe this has to be the number one priority something that they have to talk about every day. a ceo who has to drum it in and maybe some instances change the culture. maybe some other heads need to roll in terms of finding the fix and making sure that people understand that boeing will

become the safest airline manufacturer in the world. >> do you believe that's what will happen? we'll see more changes within management now >> i do think that you can't lay all the blame on muilenburg the fact that the fix has not been found goes all the way up and down the chain i would not be surprised to see other heads roll >> in terms of the actual halt in production of the 737 max at this point, is there a critical timeline or, i guess, period in which if that halt continues on, where it becomes harder and harder to bring production back? >> until everybody that's working on the fix gets the idea that the fix is not going to be done until there's 100% assurance that these planes are

safe, and that they can be deemed safe by the faa, then nothing else matters >> secretary lahoud, thank you for joining us on the phone. appreciate it. >> thank you still to come, to hell with wall street. e at's the message presidential s candidate bernie sanders tweeted. we'll break it down when "squawk on the street" returns (soft music)

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cnbc is out with the latest millionaires survey with the debate on the wealth tax waging on our robert frank joins us.

he has the results for us. >> good morning. a majority of american millionaires support a wealth tax, as long as it hits people who are wealthier than they are. 59% of millionaires support a federal tax of 2% on wealth over $50 million. that's according to the cnbc millionaires survey which polls 700 people with investable assets of 1 million or more. the support falls to 48% if the tax hits those with 10 million or more. the richer millionaires, they're more opposed, nearly half of those worth 5 million or more would oppose a wealth tax. elizabeth warren proposing a wealth tax of 2% on those with 50 million or more 6% on billionaires critics say the threshold would probably have to drop in order to raise revenue millionaires feel like they pay enough already 60% say they pay their fair share of taxes, and a third say they pay more than their fair share it varies by party 88% of democratic millionaires

support a wealth tax compared to a third of republicans millionaires think a wealth tax is unlikely to happen any time soon when asked about the biggest threat to their wealth, only 8% said taxes >> what are the other threats then >> what else is there? >> the biggest by far is government dysfunction of course that -- the definition of that depends on what your party is what's interesting, as i covered the wealthy for 16 years, polling used to depend on what your wealth level was, what your demographic was, education, geography. now it's all by party. less dependent on what level of wealth you are, and it's all if you're democrat, you support a wealth tax, government dysfunction is probably the republicans. if you're a republican, the dysfunction means the democrats. >> stunning but not surprising >> exactly >> in our current age, unfortunately that seems to be the case so it's anybody but -- anybody but them is fine >> that's right.

>> we should point out, elizabeth warren has fallen in the polls, she's at 2% above 50, and 6% above a billion >> above a billion and the millionaires support joe biden over trump so biden would beat trump among millionaires he's talking about a big capital gains increase that would effect this group we'll have to ask them i would suspect the capital gains tax increase would be much more important to this group than a wealth tax. >> all right >> um, where does bernie stand on all this stuff? >> well, his wealth tax is even steeper. >> higher than warren's? >> he goes up to 8% on the top rank and, you know, he's not doing great in the polls but we are asking this group about the warren plan which is already 10 times or 20 times higher than the highest wealth tax levels we've ever had in europe what is different about her wealth tax than any other we've had, including those in europe,

is that 2% or 6% in europe, the rates are at 3%. so bernie is more extreme than that >> you pointed out as well, robert, we should not just -- it's not just the wealth tax, it's also the change in social security, earnings top that would impact a lot of people >> so when you add the wealth tax to taxing the gain on that wealth, you are actually getting rates of over 100% on any kind of asset gain or investment gain when you combine those two taxes. >> robert, thanks. >> thank you, guys >> we're seeing some headlines regarding the faa now, and the 737 max. phil, is this what you have? >> yeah, we have some color on this incoming ceo for boeing, david calhoun had a phone call this morning, a conversation with steve dixon, the head of the faa. according to those familiar with the conversation, two important quotes from the conversation from david calhoun to steve dixon. the first one, we welcome

rigorous oversight the second one, calhoun in the conversation with dixon said boeing wants to be regulated the importance of these two comments within this conversation are very clear. this is a

muilenburg >> phil, a corollary to what you're saying, the faa says first priority is safety no set time line for when work will be completed, right >> that's the same stance that the faa has taken for some time. the "fast moneyfaa said it is rt is ready when it is ready. repeatedly boeing would miss deadlines, overpromise, underdeliver, i heard this quote last week from one regulator within the faa when i was discussing incoming data that was supposed to be turned over in the course of this, the person said it is kind of hard to judge homework when it's not turned in. that says it all that was emblematic of what happened between boeing and the faa in the last six months clearly the conversation between david calhoun and steve dixon is the beginning of calhoun saying things are changing. this will be a different approach to working with the faa, getting the 737 max

recertified. >> but calhoun has been speaking to regulators and consumers as the company chairman for some time now, hasn't he? >> he has been talking with them, but not with the level of urgency that is there now. i think there was always an element of dennis muilenburg, working with the regulators in terms of getting the max recertified, and in terms of customers, david, let's be clear. dennis muilenburg was never terribly close with airline ceos is not a terribly social person in that regard he wasn't rude to them, he wasn't nasty to them, but he is not somebody who when you talk with airline ceos, they say there's a warm relationship there. it was a workable relationship but it was not a warm relationship you can bet that will change under david calhoun. he realizes the importance of talking with the ceos, and it goes simply beyond here's the

aircraft, here's what's going on >> phil, thank you phil lebeau. >> you bet >> he is going to get a comp. day, we'll make sure of that before phil came on with breaking news, we were talking with robert frank about the wealth tax let's get back to that proposal, various proposals, potential implications heading to next year bring in jared bernstein from the center of policy and budget priorities tony, first place to start next year, are we still talking about this as a legitimate concern slash question as to whether it is an issue pursued by whoever the democratic nominee is? >> i don't think so in all honesty. may be talking about taxes because we always talk about taxes in the debates, we'll talk about many different schemes jared probably has other ideas for taxes he might want to put on the table, but i think this one will see its day in a couple of months because it is clear

that it is unworkable, not the kind of thing likely to happen bernie sanders and elizabeth warren are where they are on it, they'll talk about it, but i think it will fade >> jared, do you agree >> partially agree first, let me say happy holidays to everybody, including my old friend tony that i don't see enough of since he left us for new york >> good to see you. >> i disagree with one point, with the notion that the wealth tax won't be an issue. in fact, i'm pretty sure it will be as tony suggested, it probably won't be this warren idea that really can get to as robert said 100% rates i don't see good rationale for that the notion that we don't tax wealth much at all, most wealth accumulation, particularly unrealized gains goes untaxed, and there are lots of other ways to get at this tony is right, i have a list more importantly, so do the

other candidates i think that will stay on the table. >> jared to dig into that a little more, there have been studies out there done pushing back against the wealth tax, saying they historically when implemented never raised as much revenue as they promised to. how do you make that, i guess how does that get rectified, how do you get past that argument. >> good question, and two responses. one, we can learn from mistakes other countries have made. europe i think screwed up the base if you allow too many exemptions, it is not going to work they tax on residency, we tax on citizenship. that's different these days of capital mobility, you have to hold hands with other countries. we now have a mechanism to do that but on the revenue side, i saw estimates of warren wealth tax that say instead of collecting 3

trillion or 3.7, we think we'll collect between 2 and 3. that's still really high i find it surprisingly high. and it is much needed revenue. there's so much wealth up there, you can lose a lot of revenue and still come home with something meaningful >> ways of getting it are outrageous you have to, the administrative task of getting at that wealth on an annual basis is really onerous. wasn't just being able to access revenue. there are ways to avoid some of that, some give to places like the center on budget and policy priorities to pay jared. that's a tax shelter but also i am sure he is being very productive, ways to get around it, but that's not the biggest thing. administering is cumbersome, difficult, assessing, auditing to get at it is clumsy and difficult.

there are better ways to do it >> like what, tony >> look, if you want to race revenue, a lot of economists, if you look at a vat, you don't have the constitutional problems with the wealth tax, we didn't get into, clumsy, probably unconstitutional you can raise money that way, not direct or indirect taxes, great idea could do more of the capping the salt tax was a good reform in my opinion. there are other upper middle class tax protections like the mortgage interest deduction that you could do things with there are lots of things you can do without getting into these kinds of problems and administrative burdens >> that salt taxwas a terrible idea. >> i'm with tony on that one here's the thing especially if you talk about the democrats' agenda, you can't underemphasize this point. going from wealth tax tosales tax or vat or consumption tax is

going from a very highly progressive tax to one that is far more regressive. economists love that, i understand why, tax and consumption versus savings, i get the rationale, that's not the path to progress and another reason the democrats, bernie sanders, warren, why they're into the wealth tax is because of the extent of wealth concentration federal reserve just came out with new numbers average net worth of households in the top 1% is 26 million. the average net worth of all those households in the bottom half is 27,000 that's a thousand x times the difference there's progressivity that you mix if you go from taxing wealth to tax consumption. >> broadly speaking of taxes, border adjustment tax was part of the original tax reform plan.

what are we talking about in the campaign next year taxes will take center stage republicans will be defending the tax from two years ago, democrats put forth a number of proposals to raise taxes who will win that debate >> that's going to come down to choice between two people. don't know who the other person is yet i think the set of issues though, taxes, health care, things like climate and what we're doing budget those issues, kitchen table issues, bernie is right to talk about education, everyone ought to be talking about college education, something we want to see more of his idea of wiping out debt isn't a great idea, but these are things parents are worried about, what their kids will do in the future, what are the opportunities for them >> jared, tony, thanks for sticking around during the breaking news. good conversation.

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