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season jpmorgan crushes estimates, citi and wells are mixed ahead of the open. >> plus sustainability is becoming the new standard, blackrock ceo saying the climate crisis is about to trigger " fundamental reshaping of finance. and the tesla rally rolls on shares now up more than 100% in the past three months alone. we'll start with bank earning, jpm, chase, citi, each posting better than expected results. wells fargo shares moving lower on its miss. new ceo charlie sharp "our cost structure is too high and i believe there are many areas where we will be able to increase our rate of growth. efficiency really the story on wells, jim >> well, i got to tell you, i'm a total believer in charlie scharf and what he did at visa he's the most technologically inclined ceo in the bank group

it has the most opportunity after this washout it is a washout. i don't think charlie will waste any more time. he has to address these things and he will. in the meantime, jamie diamond, what can i say about jpmorgan? it's incredible trading numbers, and citi, overlooked really good number you've got some incredible double digit gains, and credit card so i think we're seeing two out of three ain't bad >> no, turn on tangible common equity at citi, you're talking 19%, jim, at jpmorgan. from a story perspective, wells fargo is much more interesting because of mr. scharf, because of what he's trying to do and undertake there, in terms of creating efficiencies. just technology alone at wells fargo must be a huge undertaking to integrate the different systems and everything they've got going on there >> it seems wells fell behind on the issue. you can't blame them they had serious scrutiny on some important issues involving

cross-selling which had been their stock in trade under mr. stump. they had to undo all that and discipline people. at the same time on the fly they're supposed to be adding the technology bank of america is going to add, or citi or jpmorgan has wells is a disappointing situation, can't walk and chew gum at the same time charlie scharf is a spheror operator wells may offer opportunity based on scharf. nobody cuts better than charlie. he seems like a nice guy >> yes, i know and i know he is privately perhaps. when he says that -- >> he wyes, privately >> he says cost structure is too high he says it's earl will toy put time frames around the goals in terms of increasing rate of growth and obviously cutting costs. what do you make of that >> well, i guess the stock went up with the rest of the group, and we've got an etf-ization of

these stocks that is unwarranted. the no time frame tells me the stock could dip down to 48, 47 about ever it starts going back up again, that number was horrible. i don't know i mean that is an outlier number i have to wonder whether they haven't lost share i have to wonder whether they literally are making less money per account than everybody else, when they used to make more. so was the star over, was it inflated i think if you go back and red that 110-page report by sherman sterling, which is underlooked, you'd see that wells did a lot of things to make the numbers. now you're seeing without doing a lot of things and the numbers aren't any good. >> as for jpm, it's really a fixed story, up 86 year on year, almost $1 billion ahead of the street loans up three pretty interesting quote here out of diamond, guys, global growth stabilized, albeit at a lower level and resolution of some trade issues helped support

client and market activity towards the end of the year. it's being framed, jim, as the best result annual result for any american bank in history in a year, where we all know the curve inverted and the fed cut three times. >> we have tariffs, we thought the interest margin which was so important had to go down it turns out the bank has growth, and what's really interesting, i think david, you can speak to this, clients are doing things again remember when clients were sitting on their hands that's not happening i wonder what the read-through for goldman sachs is going to be >> it will be interesting to see goldman, such a different story at goldman, though just as an aside here, i always encourage people think being investing in these companies, read the 10k don't just satisfy yourself with the earnings release, because a lot of these companies, and this gets me to goldman, jim, are hard to follow and understand fully. you read the 10k, goldman for example there's some things you're not going to fully understand they're going to do a better job

of making it more transparent, that's going to be the coup he key part of their presentation on the 29th with the big investor day i'm not sure what the read-throughs are to goldman sachs. in certain areas could you say okay, it's going to be strong no doubt, but at the same time, you've got that whole shift, change in the institution in terms of at least some of its focus towards the consumer >> you're right. i think that steve scherr the cfo would be the first to admit goldman's opaque and that has to change by the way, i know that its infancy with apple and credit card, but i think the numbers at jpmorgan and citi speak to big growth in credit cards david, when we get that deal on wednesday, it talks about how the financial companies can do more business. what would happen if goldman were able to do credit card in china, with apple? right now they're limited to united states. how many people have an apple iphone in china? this could be a huge win for

them, and we know by the way, that the banks are in there talking to mnuchin pretty consistently >> yes >> another reason to buy >> there might be a real interest in that carl, i don't know if you've gone on the website, they offer 1.7% >> wow how generous out of the good -- >> jpmorgan i'm getting 0.004. i'm not sure >> goldman say huge story. what we might learn about china commitments, jim, regarding phase one in the coming days some numbers starting to get leaked in terms of the allocation of the 200 billion in u.s. purchases you mentioned thintech and credit cards visa is buying plaid for 5.3 billion which helps link bank accounts to various mobile apps, not necessarily a story limited to the names we're covering today. >> no. those are much more higher multiple stocks and they get the

higher multiple because they're doing things that are consistent i continue to believe that the most consistent banks higher multiple hence jpmorgan going up citi is still ten times earnings versus the giants of visa and mastercard remember, those are paper to plastic, which continues to be a huge trend in the world than we're seeing paypal go up a lot, plastic to digital and that's another trend. these are all unbelievable trends and they're all playing out to higher priced earnings multiples for this group. larry fink, high priced multiples is driving >> on the plant deal, carl, it is interesting, the $5.3 billion price tag far above the most recent round where they were valuing the company. i do understand there was competition there, you might expect from let's probably guess mastercard, but you ended up with a very big price for what was a unicorn in the payments area and visa's first big foray

in terms of an acquisition of that type. >> nice looking chart there. we'll cover the banks all day today, huge story. meantime the head of the world's biggest asset management firm is sounding the alarm, black rock's larry fink warning the financial risks of climate change are bigger than any crisis he's experienced in his career on wall street. he's out with a letter to fellow ceos saying the climate risk is an investment risk listen to what he told our andrew ross sorkin where the fed fits into the picture. >> we don't have a federal reserve to stabilize the world like in the five or six financial crises that occurred during my 40 years in finance. this is bigger, it requires more planning it requires more public/private connections together to solve these problems, and i do believe many of these problems could be solved but the actions have to begin now. >> manages almost $7 trillion and this is a big move forward >> you could imagine that it

would be, carl, that it is we've talked a lot about last year, in some ways, it being a wat watershed year esg rose up in this country. europe's been ahead of us in this as being a significant approach, and this certainly ratifies that. at the same time, i have to tell you, there are some people who were somewhat skeptical that i've talked to in the markets, significant asset managers i might add, this morning, jim, who just say this is right now a lot of words, it's marketing hype i want to see real action here one could imagine real action is to come when you hear those words from mr. fink, and blackrock is a seminal player in the markets in so many different ways when they talk about deepening the integration of sustainability across their investment and risk management platform by fully or formally integrating it into the risk and quantitative analysis group, you imagine that becomes something that a lot of companies are going to be aware of, and jim, it's interesting takeida

pharmaceutical company, a big one, its first four or five slides in its presentation were all about its carbon footprint there it is. that's what companies now are focused on and it's just interesting that they would do that that's actually the very first part i wanted to show. none of the right ones there but my point is, there it is, esg is important not just for the investors but for the companies to show they're hitting the right notes. >> this is huge. kudos to andrew ross sorkin. a must read. larry also said this could lead to issues where they will directly challenge management. does that mean proxy fights on companies that aren't doing the job? >> yes i mean, listen, there is already, you know, value act took the lead some time ago, jeff, there are some things they're doing at a number of

companies there, but yeah, it could mean that you see -- now, in the interview with andrew, he said listen, you don't know when we're voting against directors or having conversations actually with companies to change their ways and then we vote in favor of their directors you don't see that happening, but it does seem to at least lay the groundwork for them being more active on this. activist investors have already taken a lead to a certain extent of some companies. the big one, jim, remains when are we going to see a move made on one of the big oil companies? and somebody pushing them conceivably their shareholder base continues to contract as a result of the the esg metrics coming to play for so many big asset managers >> look, when oil was at $26 a barrel, these stocks were much higher, substantially higher i think younger managers just avoid this group like the plague i follow and focus on the robin hood people, remember they've got $900 million, just a budget

to be able to grow they have mostly millenials, 10 million accounts guess what millenials care about first? what do they ask about first, esg. so the investors of the future care passionately about this the company i follow rewarding its own managers for doing this is clorox. a lot of the big faang companies are deeply focused but trying to scramble figure out what is the best thing the best thing a lot of them are doing is trying to get the electric grid to be far more on solar and that is working. the electric grid is the problem because so much of it is coal. they've got to get out of coal last year's second biggest year of getting out of coal i think these companies are forcing the coal industry to really go into oblivion and larry fink has said it we're not going to buy coal stocks there aren't that many left. >> but the market value of coal stocks i don't even know it fits into tesla's one-day move yesterday probably, jim we're not talking about -- >> david, you got start

somewhere. you got to start somewhere >> right, but when you get to the big guys and we had this conversation with mike wirth last week from chevron >> which explains his commitment and almost obsession with the dividend you have to compete with people's values. >> right >> and a low rate environment, maybe at some point the dividend will elicit a response from investors. >> yes >> i don't know, my chat, i like to criticize managers, it's stupid i was stupid, i didn't realize bp would not be attractive with the 6% yield because it is tarnished with picando, ail spoiler of the environment look at the stock and dividend and tell employee it isn't because they are the hated, they tried to do things, they think they did the most to destroy the environment. >> we don't know where the stock would be without it. >> right >> the unknowable, how much it's supporting overall valuation guys, a lot to get to this

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we're going to get to the opening bell about 12 minutes from now we go cross-country and get a mad dash in ahead of the market open jim, what is the focus >> i'm looking at a report by webb bush, a new rating of apple is coming, could be a $2 trillion company the news that is good is not baked in we're talking about 220 million iphone units, the new line in the sand, 5g coming, remarkable demand for the airpods 50 billion in services maybe the stock isn't done yet i've been concerned it's momentum a lot of research firms have to catch up with the stock price. >> yeah, they do jim, aren't you worried at all

about almost doubling of the mulled tipple? he multiple here we sat for years and years talking about how cheap apple was. we can't do that anymore >> i think that's a great point, david. there's a term i use you and i often talk about the kiss of death, talking about a supercycle 5g supercycle. >> oh, boy >> remember the supercycle in 2011. >> yeah, didn't work out too well >> have to be careful. >> yes at one point, jim, do you tell people it's a great run, but the multiple is too high given the expectations this year their earnings are not going up that much yet >> no. what you have to do is wait. if you're not in the stock, let's wait look, i say own t don't trade it the people who trade it endlessly have hurt people if you don't own it, let's see the number for all we know, an in-line number would really take the stock down dramatically.

i thinki they'll do better than expected but these analysts are just constantly saying look, i got to raise my price target the stock is going up. i call that circular reasoning it's not why i like to buy a stock. i don't like stocks that go up purely because the price-to-earnings multiple goes higher i like to see earnings you have to wait last year at this time the company preannounced a downside. can we hold off to see whether the earnings justify the move? >> yes listen, we all want to make -- not we all people want to make apal geez, ji analogies to 20 years ago. it is reminiscent with the price targets going up as opposed to anybody saying whoa. >> look, you need to have people think this being a consumer stock because it's almost getting a proctor & gamble multiple on 2021 obviously procter & gamble

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from the financial capital of the world, the opening bell in just over three minutes, obviously an important day for the markets, as earnings season really kicks off we've been through the major banks. delta is the other big one, rising in the premarket, after reporting a beat on the top of the bottom line, ed bastion talked to phil lebeau. success in decommoditizing its business and weighed in on boeing's new ceosteve calhoun. >> i have tremendous respect for dave knowness the company well and have an impact i think you'll see his name continue to elevate at boeing in terms of making the type of changes that are necessary >> jim, stocks on pace or looks to open for its best day since april. as the discussion turns to whether or not the airline is benefiting from all of its own efforts and troubles its rivals are getting from the max >> right once max comes on, there will be

a big xalgsity increase. right now there isn't. this delta number is extraordinary. we remember how much money the airlines used to lose. their multiples are way too low versus what we're seeing from delta. if the max comes on, maybe this is the peak. i don't know the american consumer is in the travel boom, that's the way i read it, a travel boom those on planes and it's always extremely full flight, guess what extremely full because the consumer is flying, the consumer is spending. we see that from jpmorgan and the credit card american airline has with citi. i'm blown away, this is a much better than expected number. >> yes, then you got this story in "the telegraph" out of the uk, jim, that bowing is trying to keep orders going for the max and that they're offering discounts of 50%-plus discounts in the industry, not uncommon, but that is a startling number

>> boeing has other planes it would be a sign of good faith by the chinese to buy some of the other planes i don't know, when is boeing going to get ahead of the news flow we read critical comments about lion air and people from boeing. if i were boeing and calhoun, i would say look, here's everything that anyone has said, and when we called up some sort of what i regard as being a definitive, bring in a lawyer and from some firm that has standing and say here's every document we have that ever mentions the max everything from every employee, because when you see them making fun of lion air, as idiots, it says what the hell i mean, what were they, how bad is it? [ cheers and applause what's that culture saying >> meanwhile, we're going to continue to look for the ancillary effects on employment,

aviation will lay off 70 temp workers. let's get the opening bell here on the s&p 500 [ bell ringing ] and the big board financial service company equitable. we'll talk with the ceo in half an hour. at the nasdaq, a leisure gaming technology company so one of the days where we know what we'll watch at the open and it's the banks >> yes, the banks certainly we talked about, not to mention, though, i got to watch tesla, we talked a lot about -- ooh, they added a cheer. [ chants of "eqh" >> it's a ticker cheer talking about tickers you want to cheer, tesla again, up

another 3.5%, this may be a fall through to yesterday, the stock up 30% so far this year. jim, at what point are the shorts out of this thing, stop covering and did we start to see at least some semblance of a leveling off >> i don't know. i mean i'd like to see what the numbers are for the accounts that are short 18% of the flow short. this is a situation, where people are rewriting this thing furiously. it's going to be profitable and because of china, and nvidia and electronic vehicles. i think about what larry fink was saying tesla fits the profile perfectly, doesn't it? >> it does it comes up of course right at the top of a lot of your screens for esg at least on the sustainable front, given they're making automobiles that don't have a significant carbon footpri footprint. i'm not sure what they do with the batteries and everything else on esg we are still degree with

a nascent way to measure real progress so many different things you can look at when it comes to the environment, sustainability, not to mention other areas, it's not just about the "e" it's about the governance also. but jim, it does become difficult and until we get that sort of set of standards you can put next to the accounting standards and believe in and compare across industries and within peer groups, i still think it makes it difficult for investment managers to make good decisions. >> look, it's touchy-feely and it can't be touchy feely it has to be rigorous, benchmarked. i think larry fink wants to go that way we want to like carbon neutral stocks and love carbon negative stocks footprint we don't know yet. companies that reward executives like clorox are going to be an interesting way to ben mark. who is lowering the carbon footprint as an executive and

does that person get a bigger bonus? that would be an interesting way to measure how much are they rewarding executives who are focused on esg it's got to be within the ranks. >> right it's not just about, carl, the investor base wanting this but also the companies in terms of attracting any lmillenials and employees, seem to dare more than perhaps our generation did. that's what you hear >> it's very mushy >> they want to work for a company that is not just about getting there, creating a career for themselves and making as much money as possible that is at least what you hear from ceo rz when ths when they t their workforce and it changes the way the leaders of the company think about it >> we're looking for metrics to try to measure it and manage it. as for tesla, guys, jefferys goes from 400 to 600 today on

the heels of yesterday's move at oppenheimer going to 612, their street high. shorts, jim, on tesla, now down 2.8 billion according to s3? >> yes >> short interests still about 20% and then axios has a great piece if the valuation gets to 100 billion which it's not that far away at this point >> no. >> the employment agreement with elon musk will give him 1% of shares which is essentially back at the envelope of billion-dollar payout if they could get it >> i remember when he agreed to that because he took very little actual salary. he's getting really close. it's a dis98 billion market cap for text la. that will result in a nice payday >> nice payday >> wow >> talk about owning the shorts, jim. >> well, why not look, you're in an industry where everyone says there's no growth if you keep coming in at 18

million vehicles here, china is declining and this guy is putting up growth numbers. it's a growth stock. why shouldn't we if they can earn ten bucks next year, why should we pay 24, 25 for it. it is rerated. people understand that they have the cars that people want, who knows what's going to happen with the pickup. they have a lot of deposits. what's happened is the shorts control the narrative here and now no shorts they want to raise their heads. >> it's also autonomous. we've been talking about it for years i feel it is the robotic taxi fleet of the future and perhaps some investors believe will be tesla's ability to have significant market share in whatever we know is coming given all the miles their cars have driven.

the shorts will tell you they're not, jim, but they got a lot of mileage that's the key >> they have a cult following. when you start selling say 250,000 cars in china next year that is not a cult that's powerhouse numbers. i think what happened not just the idea they'll be profitable take it off the table. they can raise $2 billion during the next commercial break >> the banks involved in doing those kinds of functions did well, jpmorgan shares up over 1% given the outperformance in the quarter. bank of america yet to report. it's up. citi had a good quarter. wells fargo is the feature this morning, carl, down over 4%. charlie scharf speaking realit to a marketplace who was hoping for better saying we're going to get it there but not giving time line on when in terms of

efficiencies and return to growth >> jim are you underwhelmed by loan growth which we knew would be a die nammis comiynamic comi prints >> credit card is up big i think that you have loan growth with little credit impairment that's positive. the economy is not insanely strong but we have virtually no inflation, and i think that jpmorgan is a great read-through to the economy, which is look, it's growing good. i do feel if you're president trump, you could say it should grow faster. it is difficult to try to figure out how to make things grow faster how do you get more lending when there isn't enough demand for something that you're borrowing for? and i think that's the problem i don't think it's regulation. i just think people have to pay a lot for labor these days there's very little reason to

expand, if you're saying expand in retail, you're up against an amazon or walmart, you want to expand in manufacturing, we don't know manufacturing is expensive in the country. the big expansion was coming from boeing. that's not happening i don't know i think the consumer is so solid, that they don't need loans. the consumer can do it with cash we had big tariffs where is the inflation where is the inflation i just think these are good numbers. i'm surprised that citi is not up more. that was a great quarter >> cpi, of course, in line essentially two, three year on year, headline and core. we'll hear from williams and esther george later as well, we'll get commentary on the inflation front. >> george? >> the banks earnings calls, wilfred frost is watching that >> hey, carl, listening to the jpmorgan call. three big take-aways from

earnings so far. one, december much stronger than expected in fixed income commodities and currencies trading and debt capital markets. two pressures from lower rates continue to have less impact than feared and three, wells fargo, ouch, again in terms of debt issuance, jpmorgan's cfo said "clients accelerated their funding to take advantage of attractive pricing conditions to strengthen their balance sheets." here is chairman and ceo jamie dimon. >> actually trading eased off a little bit i don't think it will completely go away. you have potential ongoing trade with china and europe and stuff like that. i think because that sentiment got better, trading got better,

how long that continues, we don't know >> net interest margins for all three banks continue to hold up better than feared and loan growth solid, the interest income numbers overall did not disappoint the same cannot be said for wells fargo overall. if there's a silver lining or perhaps a bronze lining it's that the miss on, came on the expense side, not the revenue side charlie scharf's first earnings call kicks off at 10:00 a.m. citi's earnings call kicks off at 11:30, a.m. guys >> we'll talk to you in the fno too distant future jim, we should touch on health care. a ton of news coming out of the conference mckesson is the best s&per right now? >> lisa gill mentioned, one of jpmorgan's health care analysts, saying mckesson could surprise the upside that's what it looks like.

i'm surprised drug stocks aren't moving more. we have a heavy rotation into companies that do, that are going to benefit from the trade deal and the drug companies are not that kind of company i do think we're hearing tremendous stories of innovation out here, that's not driving anything either. i'm not saying these companies aren't doing anything important. i'm saying they're doing things important but paling in comparison to the kind of surprises we're getting say from the jpmorgan, from citi, which really are amazing, by the way, because it justifies the whole move now i'm speaking -- i met with cvs yesterday. larry merleau selling at nine times earnings there is a compression in the group and i think some of the compression comes from the fact that, well, people are worried about the debate tonight they're worried about what the democrats are going to say i don't blame them we'll hear more about single payer again.

>> sanders is in the lead. >> at least in the "des moines register." the last debate before the caucuses will be one to watch. jim, the other element here the analysts are trying to keep up netflix reports a week from today. deutsche takes alphabet 1735, this is happening every day we come in. >> this is the kind of move i don't like i know i don't want to be going against this but unless you get remarkable earnings the way you get from jpmorgan and citi and those companies are lower multiple, these stocks are going up because they're going up. i know that sounds ridiculous, but when you come in, and you're a google analyst, alphabet analyst and using a $1300 price target and the stock is at 1437 you run the risk of looking irrelevant what do you do you come in and you say 1500 i think you base that on the fact the stock ran through your price target

typically you're supposed to i recommend it at 1700 1400 people are afraid. the analysts are afraid. they say the valuation is difficult here, at 33 times earnings, but my charitable trust is alphabet. i think i may take a little off the table because i'm not seeing a lot of discipline. where is the discipline? >> it's something said a lot about the sell sign. we'll watch it dow is up 5 points we're hanging in at 3281 bob pisani >> emerging markets, china a little weaker. semiconductors flattish, industrials a little flat. banks which have had a tough time so far this year down slightly today emergingmarkets in china had been the leader the last month, they're down i think we're running out of steam. i want to show you china because

the trade deal sign something imminent we had good numbers on china december trade data, that helped look at this run-up, the most important etm. mchi is the broadest china etf you could run. expectations ofthe trade deal signing and hopes for better economic china, that's happening, numbers we got out of china, a nice move there elsewhere in terms of the banks, wilf gave you a run down of what's going on. morguen is tough because we're not moving up at all on treasury yields citigroup say new high of $82 for citi and wells fargo a disappointment the only thing i would add to what wilf said, i tend to look at fees. fees have been good for a lot of these banks, revenues up 21% fixed income volatile. net interest income, hard to make money on your interest

bearing accounts tough to make money on the interest-bearing accounts. i want to point out the role of buy-backs. citigroup and jpmorgan a small group of companies that are aggressive in their buy-backs. jpmorgan bought back about 2%, last quarter citigroup 3.2%. the last five years, citigroup reduced their shares outstanding by 28%, jpmorgan by 16 and they are continuing to do that and did so in the last quarter and continuing to do that. my point is even if you have 15% earnings growth in citigroup, 3.2% of that is due to buy-backs you're talking about 20% of an impact because of buy-backs. it's significant and people ought to be aware of that since buy-backs are a big issue. you talk about larry fink and blackrock talking about esc. they are going to essentially muscle dramatically muscle up the esg assets under management,

double their offerings, talking about sustainable flagship index products what does that mean? they'll have alternative to the s&p 500 essentially an esg/s&p 500 that's out there, going to talk about screening out fossil fuels, have strategies, new strategies focused on global energy transition, that means clean energy essentially, push and muscle this forward. now, you might say how important is esg at this point it wasn't until about a year and a half ago, to be honest with you, esg with a little bit of a joke we have $4 trillion etf business only 15 billion was in etfs. look only 3% of all of the assets are in esg. 3% you got to be kidding me it was less than 1% a year and a half ago so it's growing fast and my estimate, guys, this number 15 billion assets under management in esg will double in the next year. remember, david, you mentioned this before. the sec has had questions about these esg people they have sent the note out saying we want to know more about what's in these esgs and

how you define them because it's a little fuzzy to us and indeed they're right. a new high for blackrock, t. rowe price their competitor also on the upside. others with higher fee costs waddell and read have had a tougher time rick santelli at the cme in chicago, good morning, rick. >> good morning, carl. i'm not sure if it's a slow fall-out from what was a tame cpi, consumer price index, that we saw at 8:30 eastern this morning, but look at a one and a half week chart of tens, visiting the low yields as krot curve. tens are down three basis points if you look at a week and a half of bunds, they're down one basis point. basically hovering at the highest yields in close to 7 1/2 months if we look at a chart from mid-may, you could see what i'm talking about with regard to how aggressive, it is getting less and less negative and the difference the spread between u.s. tens and european tens is

approaching 200, haven't been at 200 since february of '18, so we'll call it almost two years there's another market that's starting to go parabolic, that of course is the yuan, the chinese currency against the greenback on this chart that starts in july, we are at five and a half month lows, that's the dollar verse the chinese sur currency it isn't a necessary surprise but leak phase one the better it looks. carl, david, jim, back to you. >> thank you very much, rick santelli so some moderate movement in the overall indices today despite sort of the attention that's being paid to the banks on the first day of earnings season, coming off record closes for the s&p and the nasdaq, all major indices are up three out of four sessions china exports overnight up

what happens if china's economy ends up rolling over can they adhere to commitments to buy $200 billion worth of u.s. goods >> it's been pointed out the commitments at least and we'll see whether they are truly outlined specifically, carl, in terms of the numbers but the commitments that have been discussed are far above what have been the previous highs for china's purchases. the question is what they will need to do in order to reach the goals and what will happen if they don't >> some of the breakdown here, manufactured goods 80 billion. not giving granularity on categories or anything like that we are getting news from the house about the timing sending the articles of impeachment to the senate >> reporter: house democrats are holding their weekly caucus meeting right now and a source tells me that pelosi is suggesting to her members that the house vote tomorrow on that resolution to send the articles of impeachment over to the

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earnings all reporting before the bell. we'll dig through those numbers for you. >> a day one from signing the phase one deal between china and united states. we'll talk to asian chair steven roach. >> what black rock said would quote fundamental reshaping of finance. >> let's start with the banks. jpm, citi, wells fargo kicking off earnings seen. wilfred frost listening to earnings calls as we know the commentary is as important as the print. >> as we mentioned 20 minutes ago, the month of december really contributed to the positive surprise for jpmorgan and citigroup. here is jpmorgan's ceo on the improving macro outlook by the end of the year. >> certainly stabilize, broadly speaking stocks getting worse. so we saw sentiment improve a bit, which i think contributed to the overall success of the

fourth quarter and then certainly there are puts and takes the u.s. consumer remains in very strong shape both from a credit perspective sentiment spending, obviously labor markets strong the ecb on hold, capital spending is still a bit soft. >> the positive takeaway from this morning that does apply to all banks to come is less pressure from interest rates than feared. the theme, though, from the investment banks this morning is that you want exposure to fix income over equity trading and you want exposure to debt capital markets over equity capital markets. that may play better for goldman sachs than morgan stanley in terms of the banks to come we shall see citi's earning corps kicked off. the key to watch is return on tangible common equity the year ahead. for 2019, they hit 12.1% ahead of 12% forecast. that compares to jpmorgan's 19%

for the full year, 17% for the past quarter that's the main reason, of course, they still have different earnings multiples the wells fargo corps kicks off 11:30 eastern time lots to focus on there but the main thing, the jump in expenses where does that come from and how long will it last? that's the main reason you see stocks down 2.8, a little off the lows guys >> well, citi and jpmorgan in terms of fixed income training, how are those? >> always a very tough question to answer. asked by the likes of jamie dimon and jen. of course they can't predict it. we did get updates at the start of december at the financial conference and it's clear late december saw a big surge largely if you take away a theme because of improving macro sentiment, that led clearly to a pick p in corporate sentiment which hasn't been at play.

we know consumer has been strong throughout they aren't the people doing fixed income trading we saw a pick up in debt capital, banks taking advantage of the low rates and also pick up in fixed income trade we'll have to see if that continues. there is something to point to improving trade tensions which could mean that could blossom. >> thank you for bringing us the latest and what's been a busy morning for you. what's going to be a busier week wilfred frost. we'll stick with the banks a closer look at the numbers, analyst david long as well as our own mike santoli good morning to you both david, i'll start with you that jump in expenses at wrvells fargo that will fred was referencing, what are your thoughts. >> we've known expenses would remain high for wells fargo. however, i didn't expect them to this this high regulatory issues on the company, new ceo charlie sharp coming in, he's taking a focus

here on improving the relations with regulators. the first step is fixing the foundation of the bank, which is getting the relations with regulators right what we've seen recently is from an i.t. perspective, there looks like head winds there. so going forward, our concern here is that expenses remain higher for a longer period of time than what some bullish investors were hoping for. >> yeah. he's got quite the to do list in terms of turning things around at wells fargo how quickly does he need to execute? what is wall street? what's an analyst like yourself give him in terms of a time line here. >> sure. well, he's only been in the seat for three months it takes a lot of time to figure it out it's a $2 trillion bank. so a lot to go over. you know, the bank has made some progress they have gone through over the last two years and added 18,000 people in i.t. and compliance.

however, during that period of time they have lost people, revenue producers, which hurts the fundamentals of the company. so unfortunately as they are working through these i.t. issues, it's going to still be a while before the fundamentals improve. to put an exact time frame on it is a bit challenging but looking at 2020 and the rest of this year and 2021, i do think that the street expectations need to be reined in from an earnings perspective and to really fix the foundation here. >> mike, the dow is hanging onto gains, albeit just slightly right now thanks to jpmorgan at 2 1/2% injury in financials, only sector in the green and s&p as well. the numbers we got from jpmorgan and citi, how much can we glean from those for the broader bank sector >> i think you could say no big negative surprises without a doubt. this is a very steady group. so the steadiness is what really i think you come away with with the exception of wells fargo citigroup is interesting because

it's been more of a capital reallocation, balance sheet story, buying back stock at very cheap valuations jpmorgan's premium has really grown, an indispensable financial holding. if you look at the way all sectors are trading, the market wants to anoint a group of winners, play tremendous premium for that winner and the rest figure it out on their own i think it's good numbers. obviously the consumer is strong if you can extrapolate what the public corporate debt markets are implying about creditworthiness of companies based on debt trades, then these guys have not much to worry about in terms of credit problems for the foreseeable future i don't think it becomes an exciting story but a secure and predictable earnings path. >> david, we saw that reflected in terms of what he was saying chargeoffs, loan reserves. back to expenses at wells fargo, charlie scharf, who a lot of people have faith in, would not put a specific time line out

there either in terms of when they will be able to increase their rate of growth and when they will be able to actually get the cost structure in line what's your thoughts in terms of what investors are willing to accept from him? >> so it's tough to see when, like you said, the time frame will come to fruition here my biggest concern here is on the revenue front, anecdotally i'll tell you they are still losing producers, which is going to extend out the time frame until they can become profitable as i said earlier, they fired 18,000 people in i.t. compliance but their head count has been flat because of the producers they have lost so from a profitability perspective, you need to get that revenue side fixed. because the brand has been tainted here, it's a bit of a challenge for them to approve top talent they continue to, like i said, bleed some of their revenue

generating bankers. >> mike, obviously the big banks excluded here, perhaps but financials overall more broadly. we've seen a fair amount of deal making, consolidation, even visa playing $6 million last night. what is the expectation around more consolidating in the sector and especially if you're starting to talk about maybe brokerages and banks. >> the ingredients are there i think the problem is the really big banks can't do anything in terms of horizontal mergers. it's a matter of one big reenl deal, bbt merging with suntrust. it doesn't seem like a tremendous appetite to complicate the picture by going for more of those. but the visa deal points a bigger issue with the industry, which i guess are traditional banks relegated to financial services do they have to do something bold and disrupt themselves. the bet on japan mowing, they had the wherewithal to do that. >> david, i want to get your

thought on this, not only consolidation and sector when you have a company like wells fargo and i realize it has a lot to deal with right now but they are also behind the ball on technology, does this make the company go out and see what's possible in the tech space >> sure. i don't expect wells fargo to make any moves on the acquisition front. they have to figure this out themselves they have added a lot of people both the day to day worker bees, if you will, as well as at the top. charlie scharf already brought in different business lines and i.t. that's something they need to get past, charlie's first mandate. >> thank you for joining us today. >> thank you. it has been a remarkable morning for shares of beyond meat, was briefly halted due to volatility, has resumed trading. as you recall, this stock was up

27% last week alone. just managed to reclaim 100 the other day. this morning gets to 135 and change intraday before settling back a bit now, 127. still 11% gain jim was just saying a few moments ago how people are buying shares on literally no news there may have been incremental news about test kitchens or shake shack getting into similar spaces. >> yesterday we had news presumably the market had time to price in whatever that was, if it was material or not. there's a lot of house money flying around these high velocity stocks right now. i don't think you can overthink it necessarily, and say it really is all that people have a lot of winnings. this stock had a mini mania last year it's not as if it's new to this kind of action where there's not a lot happening. yet, you know, we're going to latch on for the ride. >> it is an esg play you've got larry feink saying

things about changing approach the world's largest money manager active and passive they do hit the top of the list when it comes to that given it's a replacement. >> without a doubt if the future is replacement wholesale, maybe they will have a road it's the same kind of reality that's an mating tesla again, you see basically these vertical moves in smaller momentum. >> smile direct, a 31% gain for how many sessions into the year, nine >> something like that. >> obviously also become this self-fulfilling to kind of target heavily shorted stocks that have high data and all the rest of it i don't know if there's a lot more happening in that right now? >> yeah. we could make the argument, too, smile direct -- not beyond meat but smile direct could fall into this category of some of the most up loved stocks last year perhaps being areas where people, investors are seeing potential value.

>> a flop right out of the gate. of course they did some deal that's going to be more of a retail play. we'll see. much more to it than that. >> okay. when we come back right here, is sustainability becoming a new standard for finance black rock ceo sounding the alarm. we're going to get a read from another one of the company's larger financial services company, ceo of equitable. they rang today's opening bell he'll join us next a reminder, watch us live on the go use the cnbc app if you don't have it, downadlo is today "squawk on the street" will be right back (upbeat music)

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paragraph it's no longer app equitable the company that went by that name, it's rebranded calling itself now equitable first cnbc interview mark pearson. mark, nice to have you, surrounded by all your employee employees, who have suddenly gotten very quiet. what should investors know about axe no longer being a part of it. >> for the first time we are a public company and independent that means we get to build the house we want to live in what's changed is the strategy, the investment decisions and the culture is really set by us here in new york. it's a very, very exciting time. >> i'm curious when it comes to culture, we've been talking a lot about sustainability, which i want to talk to you about.

what would be the difference of culture versus axe equitable. >> it would look at the business through multinational, 150 country organization we're here to provide financial we wi well-being for americans we're an american listed on the new york stock exchange. it really means much more focus for us and getting much closer to our clients very exciting for us. >> also manage as much as $700 billion in assets. this morning we got potentially important news from blackrock. ceo larry fink in his letters to ceo focus in a way we haven't seen from that firm with $7 trillion in assets i'd love to you take a listen and sort of give me your sense as to how you approach this and how important it is. let's listen to mr. fink. >> we don't have a loud enough conversation, and we are not

focusing on this redistribution of capital i believe we're going to see more and more investors looking for advice where should they invest their money? >> okay. wasn't particularly forthcoming there in terms of what we were talking about. but how do you view esg right now in terms of that $700 billion? >> i think it's a fundamental trend that we're going to be seeing over the next few years and decades. for a company like equitable where we invest for the long-term. we provide the time and provision for people that may last 40, 50, 60 years. obviously something like responsible investing and sustainability is critical for us it's something we intend to be part of the conversation going forward, and it's really important for all investors, but particularly for retirement and insurance companies. >> in terms of that long-term investing time line, given the fact it's just low interest rates and has been for years now, how much has that been a drag in terms of the investment

portfolio and how much have you been able to offset that with things like equities >> look, we've been around 160 years. we've seen a lot of ups and downs, interest rates to 16% and now below 2% so we do invest for the long-term. we do look to match our assets and our liabilities going forward. we have seen something like 85% of our products sold today don't have an interest rate guarantee element to them, much more than equity component with perhaps some downside protection so consumers are looking for some upside but wants protection the products we put in the marketplace are meeting that need today. >> i wonder what you make of -- a big generation of young people graduating into money, proprietary? they are going to need it to be managed. their memories are short, because they are young they have never known high cost of capital they remember the recession. how is that affecting their attitude toward equities at least. >> we are encouraging people to look at their whole lifestyle

and the whole age of when they invest and look to the longer term and not panic too much on some of the short-term gyrations. it's very important to give advice that is appropriate for the individual rather than have one size fits all. you know, we do -- our clients are both baby boomers but we also are very proud to serve about a million teachers the average age there would be 45, 46, younger. again, we would be encouraging them to look towards their retirement years, some years out and invest it. >> number two, i believe in variable annuities quite a few analysts bullish on the stock right now. in large part there's a sense you could use some sort of risk transfer is that in the future especially with these new variable annuity framework that's taking effect. >> about 60% of our earnings come from individual retirement business that business has had a boost recently with a secure act

one of the few bipartisan projects in washington has had a very big boost so i myself think we'll see much more variable annuities come into play in 401 (k)s and other retirement products helping people secure income in their retirement we're bullish on variable annuity. we think it's a good source of growth over years to come. >> to carl's point, a low rate environment, you're not in the fixed annuity business nonetheless, you've got to get a generation accustomed to that returns will not be what they once were, particularly if you're weighted towards fixed income. >> that's right. i think my training, i came from japan before coming here, so we were used to 0% there for a little while yes, absolutely, it has to be a mix of the assets have to reflect the environment we're in and the length of the duration of the liabilities and the promises we're making. >> we've got cpi today it's very difficult to get the economy to run hot enough to

where inflation is a story again. do you worry about the japanification of the u.s. as some like to call it >> no, i don't think so. if my memory is right, i think the nikkei is still 38% off its all-time high. i don't see that in the u.s. the economy is still extremely strong the markets are still very, very buoyant. so no, i wouldn't see that. >> what about demographics when you think about japan, you think about the fact they have a rapidly aging population and not nearly replacing we're kind of getting close to that in the u.s. is that a long-term concern? >> it's something we look at with our history and looking for the long-term, we look at all of the macroeconomics the thing driving our business is 10,000 americans a day are turning 65 and the retirement gap is so large in the u.s. we have a business where we can help people and do well as a business as we go along. that's the main --

>> what's the retirement gap what does that actually mean >> if you look at acli, association of life insurers, look at the website, the average american lives 23 years after retirement on the date of retirement has something like 19 months of income saved that's the gap in human terms. we exist to help americans secure their financial well-being so they can live long and fulfilling lives i think another thing that happens, people's aspirations in retirement so much greater than when my grandfather retired. people are setting up businesses, going back to school, teaching, traveling. so really our purpose as equitable is really to help people fulfill the lives they want to live that's the real main demographic we look at. >> seeing so much capital in fintech, deal making and acquisitions as well it's not just we talk about some of the other financial services

companies and banks but we're seeing it in in sure tech. now that you're forging head on this new strategy, does it include in sure tech >> we use technology to disrupt ourselves, if you like we put technology in the business ranging right from our subsidiary on how we analyze results all the way through to the tools we give our advisers one of the things on this face-to-face advice, we see americans today when they are looking to protect their families or plan for their retirement, they still want face-to-face device. the technology behind the adviser is where we're investing and we see quite a lot of disruption to the internal model. >> it's interesting you say that there has been such a focus on how even if it's face-to-face advice, how you match up with people looking for certain products or services especially in an industry that's getting

busier and getting more crowded. >> i think that's right. i don't think people just go to one source for information anymore, even if it is face-to-face, they are doing a lot of research behind the scenes looking at our website, looking at reviews, looking at references i don't think anybody just goes to one source anymore, whether it's direct or through intermediate area. >> finally you saw 65% of alliance bernstein, active active management. is that an overall threat to the business or are they managing. >> they are performing well, seven quarters in a row net funds flow going into alternates. alliance bernstein has an asian that's doing well. as i say, seven quarters in a row they have been net positive fund flows, which i don't think

many peers can say. >> we got data about survival rates of various cancers it's amazing what's happening to survivors. it's no longer a death sentence by any means in this country would the increase of average life expectancy have a meaningful impact on the business long-term >> i think we're seeing, sharing earlier, 1859, establish life expectancy was around 50 years now a child born in 1957 has a chance to live to 107. this is a blessing but it does require people to plan their finances perhaps more than they used to do. >> it also begs the question, will there always be a place for something like term life insurance or is it going away? >> no, i think term life meets a particular need at certain times in people's lives, additional protection and cover let's say it's a young family has got a morgue and young kids, they will need protection during

that time in case something happens to the breadwinner i think it's here to stay. >> what was that retirement gap, 19 months versus 23 years? did i hear that appropriately? >> yes, on ample. >> mr. pearson, thank you. >> thanks a lot. >> appreciate it, mark pearson, ceo of equitable holdings. >> thank you. coming up after the break, shares of delta flying high on earnings bead. exclusive from ceo on the past quarter when "squawk on the streetcos ck" meba

. welcome back to "squawk on the street." it is time for spotlight i-shares transportation etf ticker iyt, up more than 2% since the beginning of 2020. currently trading up .7% right now outperforming the broader market this is shares of delta rise on better than expected quarterly results. that's helping gift lit to other airlines stocks as well. one of the top performers in the s&p 500. phil lebeau in atlanta we go to home. >> much better than expected numbers for delta in the quarter

beating the streets, $1.70 a share, 30% better than expectations revenue 34 billion well above analyst estimates. they also beat the street when it comes to revenue for available seat mile as well as profit margin. all around, almost any metric you look at, the fourth quarter was a solid one for delta. premium revenue, things like revenue they received through their agreement with chase, the credit card, they did very well there. it also helped that there was strong demand for the holidays >> the demand was really healthy. it was a strong holiday period as a result of that, we were able to take revenue -- grow revenues, grow our capacity particularly domestically and delivered great results which we see going into 2020 as well. >> one other reason why shares of delta up more than 4% today, it's guidance for q1 they don't give earnings by on other metrics. extrapolate those out and a number of analysts saying, look, this is better than we expected.

that's why shares of delta up close to an all-time high just under $63 a share. guys, back to you. >> on pace for the best day since april. settling back a touch now, phil. great stuff as usual fill lebeau in atlanta sue herera hi, sue. >> good morning. here is what's happening mgm reports selling mandalay and mgm grand in las vegas to a joint venture which includes black stone. the total price tag is $4.6 billion. iran's president says the crash of a ukrainian passenger plane, which killed 176 people, was a, quote, unforgivable mistake by iran's military. speaking today, hassan rouhani promised all of those responsible will be punished the country's judiciary says some arrests have already been made. south korea's president moon jae-in said he could push for exemptions of u.n. sanctions placed on north korea.

this could be a way to achieve an expansion of inter-korean ties he also suggests this might help restart nuclear negotiations between pyongyang and washington and there are some bleary eyed fans this morning, at least in my house, as lsu tigers are celebrating this morning they beat clemson last night in college football's national championship final score 42-25. a celebration parade is expected to take place in baton rouge on saturday you are up to date that's the news update this hour morgan, i'll send it back downtown to you. >> i bet that's going to be a sight to see, sue. sue herera still to come, we're just one day away from the signing of u.s.-china phase one deal. we'll check in with foer armsian chair steven roach when "squawk on the street" returns ♪

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u.s. and chinese delegates expected to sign phase one of that trade deal tomorrow kayla in d.c. with more on what we might expect. hi, kaley. >> hi carl, hours leading up to the deal signing tomorrow, the chinese delegation arrived yesterday and will hold a working lunch today alongside u.s. negotiators as part of those talks, u.s. says china is not a currency manipulator. in a report expected in october but released yesterday, china has committed to refrain from competitive devaluation and will publish exchange rate information that had previously been opaque and allow yuan to strengthen in october and fall all justify removing that tag. the yuan in response to that reversal soaring this morning. the dollar falling as that olive branch was extended ahead of the signing. tomorrow i'm told there will be

roughly 200 attendees, standing room only in the east room of the white house at an event two senior officials say will be the grandest yet recognizing magnitude of the issue this is tackling you'll see some familiar ceos in the audience including blackstone's steve schwarzman, something of an emissary between the two country's governments as these talks have gone on for more than two years. also joining for the occasion farmers and republican lawmakers with impeachment proceedings on capitol hill i'm told no democrats were invited. carl. >> the collision of the politics in the midst of this trade agreement. kayla, thank you very much for that joining us to talk more about this phase one signing stephen roach, senior fellow yale university, former morgan stanley asian claire good morning. >> good morning, carl. >> page one, talk about china he's negotiators who in the journal's words recognized an opportunity here

the agreement would not force them to make economic policy changes that washington had long insisted on. you essentially see this as a truce? >> i do, carl. i think that that point is really critical. when the u.s. trade rep lighthizer realized his section 301 allegations in march 2018, the goal was to get china to change its basic system of subs diesing enterprises, innovation, force technology transfer. the deal will be signed tomorrow we'll really not touch any of those issues it's political theater as kayla just described very actively a couple hundred people in the room ex tolling the greatest

deal in the history of deals will it really accomplish what the president and robert lighthizer set out to do in march of 2018? i don't think it will do that. if you're waiting for phase two, you'll be waiting for a long, long time. i think we'll be disappointed on that regarded as well. >> you make it sound like the u.s. has gotten bought here for $200 billion how confident are you they can actually buy that much. >> not too confident i think it's going to be very difficult for china to buy $100 billion a year for the next two years. there will be a lot of creative accounting to make it seem like that's the case. you know, the good news is we've stopped the dangerous expiration of tariffs the bad news is tariffs still remain even with this phase one accord at about 19% on all

chinese imports coming into the u.s. that compares with a pretrade war tariff rate of about 3% so there's certainly a high level of tariffs remaining you know, i said, this is political theater. this is not meaningful structural breakthrough on issues that we supposedly held near and dear to our heart in confronting china. >> but stephen, if it is political theater, isn't that why you want to see tariffs remain in place, that way there's still some sort of leverage, something for these countries to come to the table and negotiate around >> china would like to roll back tariff rates, morgan, to the levels that prevailed before this conflict began. and the u.s. is insisting that

china change its decision to get that concession and china is not going to do it. >> before you finish that thought, we are getting some boeing numbers orders and deliveries really quick. let's get to phil lebeau on that. >> carl, we've got a number here that's going to be stunning to some people. full year earnings and deliveries out from boeing airbus released last week for all of 2019 boeing had a negative number when it comes to commercial airplane orders that is to say there were more cancellations than orders for commercial airplanes that is the first time in decades that boeing has had a negative number. it was negative 87 by comparison airbus last year racked up orders for 768 when it comes to deliveries, no 737 max for the last nine months of the year. as a result boeing delivered just 380 commercial airplanes. that's fewer than half of what airbus delivered for the year when airbus set a record of 786.

again, for the first time in decades, boeing's commercial airplane division posted negative orders for a full year. guys, back to you. >> phil, that's stunning in a way. but at the same time i wonder was the shareholder base ready for that number? what were the expectations given boeing shares really not doing much here in terms of falling certainly. >> david, they were ready for it this has been coming for several months once you get into august and september and it was pretty clear that the max would not be coming back, that meant there would not be more orders as a result everybody knew this was likely going to be negative for the year for boeing when it came to commercial airplane orders. >> phil, the fact that the net total is negative 87 but the 737 max it's negative 182, what were the other planes that were getting bought to offset >> well, you still have 787 dreamliner their production up to 14 a month. that is still doing well you've got a few other wide

bodies they are selling. they even had a couple of 737 ngs essentially fazed out that line but essentially a few orders out there it's not like boeing has no business there, there's some remember, the max is bread and butter, what moves the needle for boeing since the max was grounded since march, there were no orders or virtually no orders. >> going positive helping the dow hang onto a 65 point game now even though s&p is red thank you. apologize for the interruption but sort of is answer lat -- ancilla ancillary. i'm curious dropping trade manipulators after four or five months we talk about additional tariffs if they don't follow through are we going to maim them a manipulator again if theys mi

misbehave? are we going to go back and forth and back and forth >> this is an unfortunate politicization of what had been a meaningful effort over a long period of time to hold countries accountable based honorary tough analytical criteria, like their current account surplus, in china's case has vanished. clear indications of intervention and currency markets which china has actually been doing to boost its currency rather than push its currency lower. china had not hit those criteria imf said the same thing when it renews currency manipulation, where it started from years and years ago. so the classification of china as a manipulator was groundless and meaningless.

now to remove that, i think even makes the whole exercise far more political of any substance. >> stephen, i wonder what you think, there are reports financial services could benefit from this phase one deal tomorrow obviously we don't have details yet. what could that mean in terms of banks and other financial entities able to operate more broadly in china >> well, this is something my former industry has been pushing for for a long time. more with ownership caps than operating as joint ventures. this will certainly be viewed as as very positive sign by financial services and has been long telegraphed we're moving in that direction but let's just go back to the basics what is this deal supposed to

really accomplish? supposed to provide relief for american manufacturing companies, american workers that have lost their economic livelihood because of a large imbalance with china and will phase one be an important step on the road to providing that type of relief. i'm pretty skeptical of that but others will argue to the contrary. >> one last point, stephen, the hawks, they are not done they are not done fighting for that rick scott was on our air and said he's all for trade. how can you trade with someone who lies, cheats, and steals what is the hawks next move on china? >> the hawks next move is to say we're going to keep the pressure on china and we're going to go after phase two, which is going to get china to fundamentally change its behavior in the way

that senator scott and others were demanding good luck with that. it's not going to happen election year. i think we've got to take a long and hard look about the role that we play in the united states in fostering economic imbalances that leave us with trade deficits not just with china but with over 100 other countries. why do we have that condition. it continues to put pressure on our families and our workers and our manufacturing companies. those are tough issues for us to address as well. >> we'll talk about this obviously tomorrow when we get that signing we'll see how much information we get as a result stephen, good to talk to you see you soon. >> good to talk to you, carl. >> as we head to break, a look at the markets the dow up 66 points, higher by jpmorgan, post earnings,

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welcome back to "squawk on the street." rick santelli here my guess?, guest is from kissinger associates new york yankees f thanks for joining me. foreign policy, especially xhoo china, your thoughts on the phase one deal cut through the politics we live in a world where everything is politically charged. your thoughts? >> it was a practical deal it reduces trade deficit with

china. but setting out for a big deal was never really going to happen the chinese are not going to change their fundamental system, which is a state-led system. their goal is become the pre-eminent power in advanced 21st century tech dmonologietecs they'll continue in that direction. this is about the best they were going to get it's a modest deal but an improvement and particularly because it reduces the escalation of tariffs and now perhaps moving toward some kind of de-escalation and they've set up a procedure for greater consultation over the next several years to try to deal with other issues but don't expect quick progress or miracles. they're not going to happen. >> you know, bob, you're a bit guilty here as well. we don't know all the specifics of phase one, so neither of us can say with any high degree of certainty exactly how much is contained or missing, and with respect to details, being in a place where everybody likes to

trade and whisper, i would think putting out specifics of the deal would probably be a very bad idea leading to market manipulation >> i think the specifics would clear up the uncertainties that are current. you're right, we don't know the specifics but we know one thing and that is the chinese have said repeatedly that chinese are not going to change the fundamentals of their system >> all the people in hong kong might have a completely different thought process on exactly how stringent or steadfast the chinese will be in the future predicated on the past sometimes things change. isn't it possible china wants to be a better player thinking that all the growing may be in their best interests >> yes, and there are a lot of chinese who support reforms. i think you will see -- you're right, we don't know the details, but there are a lot of chinese who want greater production of intellectual property they want to get foreign financial firms in there >> i got you

>> there are positive things that could occur, but false statement changes in their system, xi jinping has made clear, we can have a framework with working with them but the constraints of the way they want to run their economy and the way we want to run ours -- >> bob, we're out of time. we have to leave it there. anybody who loves our country, five years ago would say change can happen quickly while you least expect it. >> let's hope there will be. >> david faber, back to you. >> thank you, rick let's send it over to jon fortt to get a look at what's cominging coming up on "squawk alley. >> our look into healtcah re, the ceo of cigna joins us coming up on "squawk alley. because health insurance doesn't always pay it all. aflac! after surgery we had extra bills followed up visits, deductibles. we thought health insurance had us covered up for everything, but it didn't. aflac gives you money directly to help you with those things.

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