i think a lot of those companies. >> thank you both. good to get wrour perspective on a day like this with the dow down 663 points. that's how the private markets might be impacted by what you're seeing on the public exchanges today. not a pretty picture that does it for the exchange and for more, follow us on "power lunch." i'll join tyler for that >> you will indeed kelly and we'll welcome you when we see you in a moment. what day what a week. what a month welcome, everybody your money is in a world of hurt today. once again, the at session lows was down almost a thousand points it was a midday comeback cut the losses to under 200, but now, trickling down again as you see the dow off 658 points coronavirus fears, it is the black swan here and around the world. it continues to swim and make investors nervous. right now, we are looking at a sixth straight day of losses and not just modest losses big ones for the dow, nearly 3,000 points

gone the worst week for the markets since the financial l crisis back in '08 and the quickest move from record high to correction a 10% drop in the history of the s&p 500. >> thank you and welcome to "power lunch." team coverage of this coronavirus induced sell off continues. meg is breaking down the latest news on the outbreak bob is tracking the volatility rick santelli is in chicago watching the yield curve and steve liesman is here on the pressure facing jay powell and the fed. meg? >> the virus has now reached more than 40 countries with total case numbers worldwide topping 82,500 and more than 2800 dead. the world health organization telling every country to be prepared, citing the virus' quote pandemic potential that includes being able to detect cases early, isolate t m

them, trace their cats and provide quality clinical care. saying people need to have the right information, including what the disease looks like. in 90% of cases, it's a fever and in 70%, a dry cough. typically not a runny nose those efforts are now being done in california around the first patient who may have caught the virus through community transmission in the united states the patient's being treat ed at uc davis medical center in sacramento after being transferred from another oopt hospital b they say out of an abundance of cautious, a small number of employees have been asked to stay home. the governor saying the state's public health officials have been in touch with the cdc about expanding testing protocols after the patient had to wait several days for testing due to narrow federal testing criteria. he said the cdc assured them they'd advance with urgency. he said california has just a few hundred testing kiting now, which he called quote simply

inaud quaut. we also saw a number that california is is monitoring 8400 people those are people who came back through commercial flights who would be monitored under the regular system of monitoring >> those will be b monitored, but not testeded per se. >> well california only has a few hundred testing kits so it couldn't test them any way >> right now around 71% 71% of the s&p 500 is in correction territory or worse. 28% are in bear market territory. meaning a 20% decline from a recent high. bob pisani is at the nyse tracking the action and it's all red, bob >> not clear we're at a bottom, but there's been some attempts to buy in the extreme situation. i want to show you the dow jones futures here last night, we closed arounddrot 900 points and rallied back about 700 of that. we didn't quite make it back up

here, but that's a sign of extreme indecision from the markets in terms of where we need to go and what we're doing. why did we have that why did we have that turn around around 10:30 because the market has been pricing in enormous amounts of bad news extreme oversold readings and big, big stocks. the highest we've had in two years. goldman sachs talking about row percent earnings growth. some people are saying we're getting extreme. talk about oversold conditions some of the big names here this is just this at the bottom. a ex down 13 m united to eed technologies, down 10% this is in a few days. some of the fang names down 11%. for the week, 9, 9, 9. so where are we at now the good news is there is less selling pressure today there have been attempts to buy on the dip today that's a good sign

the bad news is we don't have uncertainty about what the new us is b about coronavirus. and because of u that, this is much less certain than we needed to be. this could reverse easily. unfortunately, we just don't know and attempt, next week, everyone say iing the fed's goi to meet. this is great new, but we don't know what they're going to do and number one and number two, we have no indication that's going to be in any way effective. the cuts rates is going to be effective or that stimulus is going to be effective necessarily helping things out not going to help with the health issues. back to you. >> thank you so much bob pisani in the bond market now, the ten year yield hit new record lows. let's get to rick for more rick >> yes and not only that, we finished up 113 billion in supply a little while ago with 32 billion seven year notes the auction didn't go particular ly well. i gave it a c minus. the yield and the pricing coming in a bit sloppy and most of the metrics a bit below average outside of the bid to cover.

2.49 it was the best since march of 2019 look at the intraday of seven year and you can see we have a bounce look iing at a two day of tens for a while, they had a spike low. that was around 124. we had a so 3 spiked low that was in two year note yields. that would have push ed the ten and twos over 20 basis points. indeed, it's narrowed from the level a bit. there's still three basis points of separation between twos and tens if you look at a year to date of 30 year bopds. they traded down u 174 my point is 124 in tens. 174 in 30s these are big psychological levels we want to pay attention which side we close. >> thank you very much the coronavirus crush punishing stocks of course driving oil down sharply as well pushing yields as rick mentioned to record lows also putting pressure on

president trump's punching bag steve liesman here to tell us if he his a wave of cuts is on the way. the president last night as he often wants toos, was critical of the fed and chair >> if you don't mind before i get to that, i want to give you some fresh headlines, the chicago fed president speaking in mexico city he's out with new comments on the coronavirus saying it would be premature for the fed to give any guidance on monetary policy before the fed has more data he add ifs the fed sees something that requires adjustment, quote, i'm confident we'll give it all the consideration it 23450es that echoes what other officials have been saying and pressure is mounting on the to react to this virus from former fed officials from the president and especially from markets, take a look it's been moving around all day. this is a moment in time but the key development here, i don't know if you remember, march was not in play yesterday.

it is not -- a 58% probably. that's less than three weeks a 75% probablity. moving to your right and for folks on the radio, another bar in the middle. 63% probablity of a second cut as early as june september 52% probability of a third cut. this morning in t"the wall stret journal," former questioned governor kevin mor ris wyatt writing quote, the federal reserve should lead the world in taking action. the window to contain the virus in cop taning china has long since closeded the window to mitigate on the global economy remains open but not for long immediate quarter point rate cut coordinated with china, europe and japan and announcing they're ready to do more with only a few rate cuts in its arsenal, jay powell faces a series of actions. should he act and whether the

cuts would do any good in the face of a problem that is essentially right now a supply problem in china and it's hard to think, people have been writing about this, how a rate cut solves a demand problem created by the unwillingness of people to say go out of their homes, take risks, go to work, to a restaurant u. is there a rate that would cause you to go to a concert that you wouldn't otherwise go to because rates are lower? >> no. >> not just that, when we talk about the odd of a fed rate cut, we're using a treasury market to infer those probablyties so fed funds futures >> very sympathetically traded with the fed >> exactly so part f what i wonder about especially as we know so much of this is international demand, people needing that flight to safety is it always the market demanding these cuts or is it a mechanical reflection of the buying pressure.

for the fed to feel this, is it really there. >> the ten-year rate is the sum of ten years of overnight rates or the average over that time, so yes, it reflects what the market reflects from the federal reserve. you are also correct in saying it is a sympathetic response to a flight to safety that as i suggested earlier, it moves all around it's 75% one day, 38% and that is a key to the way the fed is thinking about this. i think they want to wait to see how things settle down exactly where the market is priced outside of what appears to be a certain panicy trade and make a monetary policy decision that has longevity after that. >> just seeps so circuitous. >> we have kevin mor ris on

sidewa squawk box he'll join the anchors tomorrow. >> what would a rate cut do? >> well, txd put a floor on the market it would confirm, affirm the market's expectation if the fed is involved and watching and concerned on a more economic, it would bring the actual rate of the funds closers to what would be a lowered neutral rate because investment demand has declined because consumption has declined it would bring the rate down to what would be a more closely aligned with what a decline rate would be >> that rate is starting to get close to zero at this rate >> i think right >> another philosophical thing to ponder. >> but weave living. >> thank you so much let's pursue this further. can if fed come to the market's rescue let' bring in michael, who has about 3 trillion under management and lorraine gilbert, president of wealth wise financial. michael, what do you think would a rate cut really be a

tonic to the global economy if it were a coordinated one as the former governor suggests >> it wouldn't be to the economy, tyler but it might be for the markets. so i do think it's kind of an interesting distinction there in that if you think about even japan has flirted with negative rates sibs since the '90s. europe's had a negative rate since 2014 so i don't think it will help the economic situation, but it might help market confidence by putting a floor in those under the assets from that standpoint >> lorraine, what is your position on that >> yes, when we look at central banks all over the globe they've been p continuing to whoer rates in some areas, we have negative rates. when you look at what happened this week in hong kong, the hong kong government giving the e

give lent of st $00 to 7 million residents there. you're seeing that central banks have done as much we can and at some point, there needs to be fiscal stimulus as well. to be another driver into the economy. >> michael, what are you hearing from customers and clients about their level of anxiety, their anxiousness to do something, do anything i think of jack bowman, said don't just do something, sit there in moments like this >> i think that's a good point a anxiety levels are rising, but chints have stuck with a disciplined long-term plan and haven't overreacted. remember when we started this year, s&p futures 500 positioning was strong equity i market was strong call ratio was signalling a very

bullish market there was a lot of very bullish sentiment. mostly from hedge funds and other alternative buyers and i think what's happening there is some of those players that were overly bullish are getting moved from those positions and that's exacerbating this volatility, this market action it's not mom and pop and it's not your traditional long temple institutional investor >> who rain with the dow down about 700 points now and we were just deboughting the merits of a rate cut, a lot o of f people are saying what good would a rate cut really do to solve a problem that is you know a supply chain problem and you know ultimately one of people trying to take care of their health >> right >> when we look at it, there's a supply chain impablgt and the demand impact. so if you look at china for example we were expecting the chinese consumer to buy about 28 million automobiles this year.

i doubt seriously that's going to happen. to that extent and if you look at the chinese now representing 60% of the gdp, that's cig b cant. if we look around the globe, there's a slowdown in some areas leaning to recession thankfully, the united states we are still the bright star amongst the global economy so we're is still hanging in there with a consumer that as the medicine mentioned is moderately strong as far as the growth in spending >> michael, two questions. first, what are chinese stocks telling you and second, is this the death of the bull market >> i think what's interesting is that china, ironically, may be providing us the road map in terms of the way out of here so they even acted and like lorraine was suggesting, enacted a tremendous amount of fiscal policy, monetary policy.

we could debate whether they did a great job, but social distancing has helped and the mortality rate has stayed fairly level. no not surprisingly, chinese stocks have rebounded. skeptics will suggest osks the government is buying securities there propping up the market, but they've taken a number of actions to help support the economy. fiscal, monetary policy, as well as to address the virus and chinese stocks have actually started to outperform the rest of the market in recent days now for me, to your second question, if you have courage, conviction and capital, it's tough to call a bottom but it may be time to start putting some money to work snipping iing around in bargains in places like technology and health care. we did see when markets hit their 200 day moving average, we did see some temporary buying come in, so i think that this is not the exogenous factor to end the bull market and the expansion, but it could be ugly for the next few weeks zblu thank you very much

let's get a news alert on the trump administration and coronavirus. >> this one coming in reuters says the trump administration is is now discussing using the defense production act to ramp up plex protection masks and clothing it's a war era statute that allows the united states government in order to compel companies to produce particular materials. it's often thought of most often in terms of mining steel, aluminum but in this case, reuters is reporting the administration is discussing the idea of using that act to force companies to produce more masks and clothing

we don't have that one con if i wered directly from the administration >> thank you very much >> retail is taking a beatling along with the rest of the market now the s&p retail etf down 10% this week that's on pace for its worst week since november 2008 take a look at some of the biggest losers signet, guess, macy's, abercrombie by and the gap shutting more than 15% matthew shay is president and ceo of the national retail federation just out with its latest retail sales forecast despite coronavirus fears, you guys are still calling for 3.5 to 4% growth in retail sales this year, is that right >> that is right we put our forecast out yesterday. and that's a forecast that we've been working on for a few weeks so before we started to experience a really kind of severe reaction we're seeing over the last few days it's really based on the really strong fundamentals of the consumer economy i think in the conversations we've had with retail leaders to

talk about the government this year and more recently, there are a will tlot of positive sig about consumers. you talk about the low employment rates low household debt so overall, we're in a good place. now we've got the uncertainty in the market related to the health issues >> there's multiple factors in the stocks hardest hit kind of reflect that there's companies with high debt levels or poor prospects where losing marginal demand is going to hurt. there are companies that have more exposure to china and just the names that people feel like look, there's just not a reason for exposure to companies that rely heavily on discretionary spending period. what do you see in terms of the weekly numbers or any daily insight you can give us about how shopping behavior is changing so far if it is >> we've been doing our best to

have those conversations with our members as we've tried to convene those retail leaders and ask those questions and we're grateful to health care expoerts and the administration for make ing represents available to talk to our members in conference calls and other settings i think it's interesting, i just heard the segment with steve and i heard he was on this morning as well and this morning as you said a minute ago, kelly, talking about this as a supply problem. now saying is it a demand problem. i spoke to ceos, the sense is that much of the inventory they need is already pulled into its own water or distribution centers. so we've got the supply and the chinese supply company is coming back online so the question is

what happens after thatin the country. i think we have to rely on the guidance of health care professionals to direct us as to make all the preparations we should so let's expect we're going to be ready if we have to deal with some of this >> did i just hear you say that the disruption in the chinese supply line is abating >> tyler, in talking and this is, there's a lot of variability obviously between companies and even inside segments based on your mer base, who you're serving, what your product is and what your supply chain looks like of the larger companies have started to indicate the signs they're getting from the chinese market is some of the production is coming back online. i think there's a question of how long is that tail that works to the system to get those companies back to full strength. and really producing goods at the rate they need them. but -- >> i just, we're return running out of time.

what are you hearing if anything about foot traffic in malls or in stores that aren't necessa necessarily in malls and would you expegt to see if this virus persists, a swing towards more online shopping where people stay at home when they're not watching netflix, maybe they're on amazon or walmart online or whatever >> yeah. we haven't gotten any indication that foot traffic in the united states has altered related to the coronavirus. so people are still out. consumer confidence remains high and very relative terms and people are still shopping and consuming. consumers are resilient. they powered us through the economic disruptions in the past both manmade and natural kinds of issues and i think we should have every reason b to believe that consumers will remain resilient and power us through this time as well. >> good to have you today. thank you, sir >> thanks, kelly after the break, the traders will take on transportation. the dow transports turning positive today

but still down about 10% this week airlines getting especially hard hit on the coronavirus worries and earlier this week, this issue was issueded about oil >> our technicians say the number to watch for drop to $48. if we break that in wti, then you're looking at the december '18 lows >> lower than where they are now. 47 roughly 46.87 is the price now how much lower will the price go days and nights out of sync, keeping me from the things i love to do. talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424.

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recovered midday and they're now sharp ly, your trading natio team is john and todd gordon of assent waelt partners. todd,when you look at which ar thes ton transport, such an important group in telling us where the rest of the market is going. what do you see? >> the underperformance, the way we're measuring the transports is r very clear. weather not been p able to eclipse this

when this is dropping, that means the transports are underforming watch for various indexes. there's a tendencyto overshoot that 200 day so we're starting to do that so if the market could hold, we could come back and start to hold traction here one name that is actually up in today's down tape is warner. coming back to the 200 day sort of a nice little support test here, trying to hold the 33, 34 you're looking to scoop and get confirmation, maybe take a look here >> but john or todd, well i'll move on to john. let's talk about the mund f fundamentals when you look at transports,

what do you see? >> what is your opinions on where you think u coronavirus is heading. if it turns into the plague, this group is going down further. if it gets contained, this is going to be a great place to park money because valuations are come perezed the group has sold higher and the cost, which is fuel has gotten crush and the oil prices are down so much so you're at a point where if coronavirus gets, is contained and you have a v shaped recovery, you're going to have a coiled spring where you have this massive upswing in multiple expansion, plus you have the benefit of low oil prices which is going to keep margins low. so i think it's an attractive opportunity to get into transport here >> first we'll see if they can turn around today. thank you both appreciate it. for more, head to the website or follow along on twitter at trading nation >> ahead, we'll continue to monitor this big sell off. the dow down 960 points at the

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welcome back here's your cnbc news update at this hour. michael bloomberg telling texans he has the vast fortune and public record the help turn texas blue also also blasted pruch r for his response to the coronavirus threat >> the president is not a scientist andthat's a nice way to put it. he doesn't even believe in science. and he's not leading he's reacting and much, much too late >> canada saying it will stop providing security for prince

harry and meghan markle once they're no longer workers of the british royal family security costs had been a bone of contention when they anouned they would spend more time in canada and the world has a new oldest man 111-year-old britain's bob wait claim iing the title after the previous record holder died just days ago asked if he ate anything special, he said he eats whenever is put in front of him. no questions asked he looks pretty darn good. congratulations to him >> that is so sweet. >> it really is. >> i'm going to follow his diet. >> exactly >> i'm sure there were a few pints at the pub in there somewhere. >> not one of these all veggies and fish guys. thank you. that's the news update this hour how about markets? we were headed back towards session lows, but we're down u about 667 points session low for the dow is down 960. that was before noon

2.5% decline for the dow and s&p 500. the russell 2000 down about 1.5% oil has been down big as well. stocks rebounding off its worst levels of the day. let's get frank holland's update on the close >> coronavirus concerns continue to weigh on the oil market as forecast showed demand dropping dramatically, especially in china. the largest importer globally. wti fell nearly 6% today it's lowest level since january of 2019. the it has rebounded some. closing 3% lower brent, the international benchmark, hit its lowest level since december of 2018 closing about 2% lower now investors are locking forward to the opec meeting nex week still not clear if the cuts will provide a floor for misses >> maback with us now on monday

she said the key level to watch was $48 a barrel but we busted through that this morning, fell below 46 so where do o we go from here? is 42 the next stop? >> that's what technicians say we want to be watching that's the point of support that if we break that, we're looking at 2016. i think all eyes will be on opec the question is what do they do next week? are they prepare d to bring the big guns in to pull that production there's been dispute between the russians and saudis on how aggressive they want to act. the saudis want a cut back we were here basically a month ago talk bing about the fact we wanted to get ahead of the situation. the russians are are rhett sant. we want to see what happens. maybe we should wait longer. the saudis are like if your house is on fire, you call the fire department. this is all going to play out next week at the opec meeting. >> we were talking with brian

next week. several of the nations that are major producers are either out of the market or so crippled they're not producing supplies some have been long lasting cases like venezuela. >> iran. >> iran has been hit hater hard >> this is the weight of adjustment of the burden falls on a few countries primari primarily, saudi arabia. they're going to cut 500,000 barrels to china there are signs they're going alone. they're not going to wait for the rest of opec to fall in line >> we talk ed to anthony who sad if you don't see figure of seven, look r for 40 maybeas the next level so i would imagine people in our oil producing parts of the country are reeling from the fact we're at 48 and 47. can't imagine what 40 would do >> they're going to really be watching this meeting. if the saudis want to repeat the 2014 experiment where they didn't put a floor in for prices, we could be talk iing t

2016 situation again so i think it's a really critically important meeting. it may not sort out sentiment immediately, but they come out with a million plus barrel a day cut, going to be a very important signal to the market >> what is that going to do to the domestic fracking business if we go down to those levels and sit there for a while? >> there are expectations that before the coronavirus, we'd be below a million barrels a day in growth producers in tex are going to be watching this closely. it's kind of an irony now that the u.s. is so levered, but it's not just the u.s you have entire countries that are facing catastrophic economic situations in this current price environment. you look at countries like a venezuela. you look at the nigerias >> russia even >> and russia's really important because people keep say iing thy have a much lower fiscal break even but in september, putin was out there talking about increasing spending to try to build public support this is not a price environment that even works for russia

>> very interesting stuff. >> as we get into the summer, where might prices be? >> we're leveraging the tra jikt of this virus situation. you should think in terms like yes, you're getting out maintenance potentially, but now with this coronavirus story, we just don't noah what the demand is going to look like and we have this libyan supply outage that no one is paying attention to what happens with libya and really the virus story >> and you'll be there next week >> i'll be there >> i bet we'll talk to you >> wall street east favorite momentum stocks are getting crushed today after a supersonic start to the year, virgin galactic is deep in the red. morgan stanley did downgrade the stock. tesla son pace to have its worst pace ever with a 20% drop. joining us now is adam jonas, head of head of research at

morgan stanley graed to hear from you today welcome. what's more unjustified, the sharp run up in these stocks or the plunge today >> i don't know what's more unjustified. i think there's a lot of nonfundamental factors that drove the stock up to almost touch the $40 level and we're just seeing the retrenchment on that it's a scarcity position of publicly traded space, which has a genuine economic outlook real economic value. not just for tourism, but way beyond that. in terms of transportation communications et cetera just got ahead of itself we published a report before the downgrade called even spaceships must return to earth we think it needs to settle. find a new level there is upside to a revised $30 target, but not enough right now relative to the volatility

>> it was ironic that you downgraded the stock, but had to move your price target up to reflect some of the action so i would imagine a lot of people got in during the sharp part f that run up because you saw reports from all these new tradinging platforms of how many people were trading in virgin galactic, not to mention tesla what do you say to those folks if you got in at 28 or 30 or something like that, are you going to see that level anytime soon >> the stock price got ahead of the fundamentals we need the event path particularly for virgin galactic, the event path in terms of testing and certification of their spaceship. getting close to the milestone there's fatigue dynamic, stress testing. a lot of other physical events that must happen that need to kind of catch up to where the stock price was and even to where the stock price is today and we think as that happens, then investors can revisit the

name and make a better and more informed decision instead of getting caught up frankly in an overhyped situation. it seemed like it was in a couple of weeks leading up to the report >> let's switch to tesla you've got a quite sort of bearish take on it what's happened in the stock must be great new thoth shorts circling around it >> flankly, our discussion, i'm not sure who was left short. there was a short base and you can analyze how much of that is related to outstanding conversion versus real active long short we think the stock is worth around 500 bucks that's another one we think that some of the fundamental story including what could be a pretty ugly first quarter even before coronavirus. get that out of the market let's get their battery day out of the market and make a better informed decision. we have a bull case of $1,200.

frankly, it stretches what is physically possible. it's theoretical and physically b possible, but really in our opinion, kind of pricing in manager slyke perfection to get to the 1200 lel. we've been constructive on tesla in the past. we're huge fans of elon musk and what he's doing. even competitors shed credibility on that company. we're just waiting for a better risk adjusted play and we've identified other names across semiconductors that are better risk added plays than just tesla. >> $85 lower today >> amazing it's still up you know, multiple percent this year. there's the six month chart. up 223%. what are the names if people are losing enthusiasm today for tesla or for the broader auto

industry as you mentioned before, where might they want to get a little enthusiastic? who are some of the other names you're excited by? >> we think even for tesla to justify its current share price of $700, even the things it would need to do to justify that and we think it's plausible. it's going to drag along a trillion dollar economy with it. i'll mention a name we don't cover. i want to warn you i don't cover them, but they were in our public researchers some of the constituents of the 43 names xp, covered by our analyst craig just initiated on c rrre, today which makes some of the silicon car buying the material that goes into the invert esers in the power semiconductors. with an overweight today >> are you telling me the people

who were in virgin galactic were supposed to get into semipra >> i thought you were referring to tesla substitutes >> those are tesla substitutes people should look at. i'm just curious if there's anything that can replace the likes of tesla or is ford just going to see those reignite? >> that's a tough question, kelly. i don't know, but i would tell you this wha going on with virgin galact galactic, hype aside, the bigger than just that >> we're talking about putting humans on the lunar surface. we can debate whether it's five years or seven or eight. could there be 6 billion -- probably likely to be the most watched event in human history when we do put a human being back on the earth and the build up u to that is going to be incredible and it's dwoipg to

bring a lot of capital along with it. i have to applaud your program, cnbc, having morgan brennan and michael sheets it's a real competitive advantage to have that quality of content focused on the space economy. kudos to you guys. >> the only thing i do wonder is the cost of entry to some of these you know the tickets to go into space, revenue that is implied and share price for virgin galactic. you've said it yourself that there's a will the of success already priced in here no matter how many people are watching it, get excited about space, it's still a very expensive ride >> depends on what portion of the population not just the 1% of the .1% probably the .001% we're talking about ferrari owners and the like. whether a few hundred people or few thundershowousand people goo space, we are going to be putting key decision makers, folks with social immediamedia

lores into the tens of millions, go up, look at our fragile planet, come back, tell the story of what they saw u and that's an innovation catalyst for more commercially and important and viable investment that goes beyond that. while space tourism might be a niche market, i would agree, the real upside to virgin galactic is hyper sonic point to point. that's the big, the big upside but again, that's not a short-term thing this is a ten to 20-year development and retail investors they have to be patient for that >> very quick ly, at what altitudes do you fly hyper sonically so you don't have sonic booms disturbing peace >> so, a sonic boom is perpendicular to your direction of trafl so one of the flaws with the concord was that you were traveling horizontal and you had this sonic boom that would go over cities and was untenable from a regulatory standpoint

the flight profile of the virgin galactic is if they can go trance sonic, mac one plus in a vertical r or near vertical, then the sonic boom is disapated horizontally across the earth's surface. you don't hear it. combined with a high altitude launch architecture. you could launch that craft from jfk. so the launch profile. the launch architecture and the height and direction of going trance son trans on sonic then into space, lighting a candle, using the earth's gravity that's the excitement. what i just described involves a lot of science some world war ii era, some needs to be kept tested for durability >> you had the answer. >> i did my best we have people that know what they're talking about that work with me. >> thank you new numbers out from the housing market diana oleic joins us from washington

these are before this latest plunge in rates, right >> it was. in january pending home sales jumped a 5.2% in january for the month up nearly 6% annually. these are signed contracts on existing homes and it's proof of what we saw at open houses last month. the sbring market starting early because of tight supply and heavy competition. the midwest and south due to warmer weather the west was the only region lower but that's where prices are highest. mortgage rates fell in january and have fallen more this month and now we have the issue of weaker consumer confidence due to coronavirus and the plunging stock market >> thank you we appreciate it stay with us as we turn to our next guest who says the housing market looks good, at least for now. mortgage rates usually move with the ten year treasury note, which is down more than 30%. as you see, there's the 30-year fixed rate mortgage. for more housing insight, let's bring in mark fleming.

chief economist at american financial. what are you seeing? >> i think diana pointed it out. if it was hot in january, going to get hotter in february at least in the short run because the reasons for the declines in the ten year treasury are goin to drive mortgage rates low r rer and increase the demand and demand responds more quickly than supply. so increased demand. lack of supply more pressure in the housing market >> low rate t can pull people off the coach and get them to go to open houses and check things out. >> but u a virus outbreak is going to drive them back to the house. >> that's right. don't get sick, but try and go shop for a home. that's the trick obviously to the extent that things change not so much financially with the response we're seeing on the stock market, but what happens with the coronavirus and its economic impacts and how much it impacts consumer confidence and whether we want to stay home, then it doesn't matter we're not going to care about what the mortgage rate is if we're more concerned about our

health and safety. but that can help because one of the challenges now is you have such strong demand relative to supply and that's the imbalance that's driving house prices and the market so in the median term, that might mute bring a l balance to the market. >> why has supply been the big problem over the past several years? why aren't people selling? >> well, you had one long-run effect, which is we've not building enough new stock, so that creates a shortage. but the more important thing is people aren't selling because they're locking in 3.5% or 4% mortgages. and then in addition, when there isn't a lot of supply, it's not like i can go and buy any home i have to buy a home that's better than the one i have today. so this fear of not being able to find something that you like better to buy also holds people from selling their home in the first place. >> we saw prices start to

re-accelerate in the back half of last year do you think that acceleration continues this year despite coronavirus and other risks? >> absolutely, as long as the demand and supply impabalance exists and the season gets that much hotter than it already is, that's just a recipe for faster price appreciation price is the governor that balances the demand and supply. >> how much higher do you think we need to go to balance things out? >> it would be easy to see a 6% or 7% house appreciation rate in many of the tight markets this spring that said, even with -- if the economic impacts begin to materialize and the fed cuts rates or treasuries go lower, that allows people to bid up the prices so prices rising doesn't necessarily mean housing is less affordable in fact, it might be in response

to housing being made more affordable by lower rates. >> diana, let me conclude with a question for you prices in many desirable markets, whether it's d.c. or nashville or san francisco or whatever, they're gone up quite a bit over the past five, seven, ten years. and i wonder whether that contributes to the idea that people don't want to move. because they've got their house that maybe they paid 500,000 for, but if they chose to move, they would be looking at a house and a mortgage at $900,000 and they don't want to take on that financial burden >> right that's why the mobility rate is so low right now, is because people do have a lot of equity in their homes and they don't want to move into the larger house that's going to cost more. in the hot housing markets you saw prices start to ease up, but in the rest of the country you're seeing people stay where we are, renovating and remodeling because they don't want to get into a pricing market that could start to ease

up and then they're catching a falling knife. >> thank you very much still ahead, major volatility in both stocks and bonds and even just today. are either a safe investment right now? we'll speak to two top portfolio managers about that next medicine getting to patients in record time. medicine we see harnessing natural gas unleashing the promise of clean energy. we see engineers simulating the future to improve today. at emerson, when issues become inspiration, focusing core strengths to create a better world isn't just a result, it's a responsibility. emerson. consider it solved.

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welcome back to "power lunch. the dow is down just 700 points right now. coronavirus fears continue to grip wall street the dow is on its longest losing streak since 2018 and bond yields are tumbling. is now a right time for investors to jump into these markets? let's ask the founder and ceo of wealth manager and bond strategy at jpmorgan. michael, we'll start with you on the stock market side of this. do you think it's safe to buy stocks right now with a short time horizon or are there time horizons that interest you >> it's not safe to buy if you have a short time horizon. if you have a long time horizon, these are the type of opportunities you look for to move into equity assets.

if you already own them, make sure they're defensive sort of positions, dividend names. but i think there's opportunities available. >> why do you say absolutely not get into stocks right now? what tells you that the selling is going to keep going, michael? >> let me be clear i said it's absolutely not the right time to buy short-term the reason i think it's not the time to buy, there's too many unknowns the market hates unknowns and right now we have no idea if the coronavirus is going to be an issue in the united states we don't know how bad it's going to be. when you have that type of uncertainty, that's when panic takes over and on a short-term basis panic will kill you. >> let me bring you in on the government bond side which has been lucrative lately, for years now really but can people buy bonds at these prices now after the run-up that we've seen >> yeah, i think michael just said that there's a fair amount of uncertainty priced in we would argue that intermediate treasuries look about 35 basis points lower than they should,

given how the market is pricing the fed, inflation and the stance of policy globally. but given how quickly the virus has spread beyond china and the uncertainty of how it could spread in the u.s., we don't think you could fade at this point because of the unknown about how it's going to spread in the u.s. >> michael, if you were to look -- i'm sure you're assembling kind of a wish list these days what would be on it? what categories would be on it >> well, let's look at technology just for an example that's a widely held position i think you're viewers would be interested in. here apple is down a significant amount based on, what, slowing iphone sales and closing retail stores but really what are the long-term prospects for apple if you look past three months or six months or nine months? when things stabilize, i think it's an overreaction starbucks just announced today they're going to open most of their stores in china again,

which means q1 they're going to get hit on earnings, but after that i think you're in a position right now where names have been sold on the assumption this is going to go on for years and i think it's going to go on for three months. >> we've seen municipal bonds plunge to record lows as well, which unnerves me. but what about investors who want the tax advantages? would you still recommend exposure there >> we've been overall neutral on duration because of the competing factors that we've talked about we recognize there's a whole lot of uncertainty but that valuations are rich. if our economic forecast pans out, it means that rates are probably going to rise but we don't think that's going to occur until you get the all-clear about the spread of the virus slowing down if that's the case, you're probably not going to get evidence of that for a few weeks or a few months. so medium-term we think there's yields you move higher, but we just don't think it's right now. >> michael, jay, we thank you very much for your time today.

we appreciate your insights as we see the dow is now down again 750 points the next two hours -- next hour, i should say, will be very telling. >> both on yields and on equities 960 points is what we were down at the lows just before noon the starbucks news might have helped turn things around. thanks for watching "power lunch," everyone. >> "closing bell" starts right now. >> welcome, everyone, to closing bell i'm down at the new york stock exchange and another wild session on wall street the market now heading for its worst week since the financial crisis i'm here at the american express post today that stock, among the biggest losers in the dow, down 3% double digit decline on fears of the global slow down 59 minutes left of trade >> good afternoon to you i'm wilfred frost. we've got a big lineup of guests we've got capital wealth and