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very strong gains on monday kind of plateaued here. and a bit of rotation. underlying albeit not where those types of sectors are year to date. >> just enough to keep things broadening out we are out of time have a lovely extended weekend, everyone fast money picks up next >> fast money starts now i'm melissa lee. brian, jeff, pete and mike coming up on fast, the dow wrapping up its best five day stretch in six weeks as we head into the memorial day weekend. how should you position yourself ahead of what could be a summer that is drastically different from any other we've seen before plus, running out of stream. why one analyst thinks there's not much more upside left for roku and in a special bonus hour of fast money, we're bringing you the fast five from the reopening trade to the race for the cure, the stories that have the biggest impact on your portfolio this week, but we
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begin with the latest flare up in china beijing announcing new security measures in hong kong send iing the hang sang to its worst day in almost five years the move escalate iing tensions with the united states with president trump threatening quote unquote strong reaction to the crack down so does china become a bigger head wind for the markets? pete, what do you say? >> yeah, it seems like there's a dimpt new story every day that seems to lead us up or down. on literally every day, whether it's earnings one day that we focus on unemployment in your opinions. china, another day the virus of course and somebody having sort of a vaccine of some sort or another. always something leading the markets. what i was encouraged by today, china and the u.s. and some of the issues we're going to be facing going forward it seems to me like we've shaken that off well it's been an impressive ability
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of the markets we could have slid easily today and down 400 points going into the weekend like a friday or two ago so i was encouraged by that. and i'm encouraged by the fact that we rsht seeing huge spikes and we're seeing this contract ed move. and by the way, i think that everybody wants to focus on the big five not the big five the it's biotech there's a lot of different areas giving us a foundation for more upside to come in the future >> we're either shaking off the warnings about china or just not coming to grips with reality jeff, what do you make of what is going on with china what's also interesting is ha the communist party has abandoned giving growth targets, which they normally do some say that could show xi is on his back and feeling cornered here because growth in china is slowing down and he needs to take control over hong kong before what could be a losing election for the communist party
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in september >> we're seeing company earnings here, so i would expegt to me soar mentions can whine. looks more like it did pretrade deal monetary stimulus reopening progression all these things i don't know in combination if that's going to be enough to drive earnings enough to justify the market where it is right now. if you look over the past 20 years, the correlation between the s&p 500 and ford eps estimates is .9. since the bottom, we also take
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about the pain trade being higher the put call ratio is extremely low. it's below .53 right now now we're at the head wind of the 200 day moving average so there's a lot of things i wouldn't be surprised it's down from here. >> that's a lot for a bear to chew u on. you agree? the vix is a measure of a market's expectation of forward volatility dropped a bit today. even you know despite this news we're coming out of china, but
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the important thing is that china news day after day after day. the drip of -- continue to hear the -- what jeff is talking about is what we should be payipay ing attention so what do you think these larger companies are going to look like others aren't immune there are a big swath of publicly traded companies that are going to be facing considerable pressure for some period of time and we've had a bounce off the bottom and i feel we have the opportunity might be wanting to tear some of those positions here >> i can see the bear case at the same time, brian, we know companies are in for a tough road ahead
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at the same time, i think that the reopening of america has happened probably faster than what a lot of people think i'm not talking about a complete reopening but all 50 states have reopened to some degree and i would think that's probably a lot faster than what many thought a couple of months ago when we were in the depths of this pandemic. >> i think that's probably right. also the fact we were unsure how people were going to react when things reopenede edreopened. when you start to see beaches and parks rope aeopen and they' crowded, that's a different story. but to me if i look at the market here, talk iing about chn and the reopening and recovery from the vaccine so the bull case here is that the federal reserve's going to pump enough liquidity going to buy enough bonds that companies can ride out the storm however long that takes. the bear case is we get some kind of second wave and or we have a serious kind of trade dispute or deglobalization going on with china. to me, the deglobalization
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argument is is a la lot, i don' if it's worse than the virus, but the it's b probably a longer term head wind for the market. that's where we are. the bull and the bear cases and as pete said, every day, there's something else driving it. the market is trying to decide investors are trying decide and we're at a decision point in the market to me, if i look boot mex couple of week, i think that's going to determine what the next six months look like >> this would be a couple of notable performers amazon, facebook, new highs for both stocks. really benefitting both the stocks from being you know us being sheltered at home. are those the sorts of names that carry us through post pandemic, that bridge, do we stick with those internet names, those winners? >> you know, i think those names but i'd add a few. we all know the big five they sound great facebook being a part of somewhere in that mix of stocks
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but it's all the verticals that facebook has and we talk about it all the time. but i don't know that everybody always pays attention to the idea that it's not, it's no l g longer a facebook story of facebook it's instagram, messager all the aspects. the shopping element of this whole thing, so they're doing so many other things as well. including competing with zoom. so there's all u kinds of different areas that could make that a favor bable move to the upside even from where it is now and i love the balance sheet i think that's great and amazon's just amazon we know that we all look at the pe and we say oh, boy, that's really high and this and that. but we know the strength of aws and the power they've got. but there's other areas of the marketplace as well and there's a lot of, for whatever reason, we don't talk as much about the big biotech names. we talk about the smaller ones working on the virus but if you see some of the bigger name, they've been performing extremely well.
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the amgens of the world. some of the names that trade more like a pharmaceutical but i think there's a lot of room to the upside because a lot of these names in various sectors that can power this to the upside so i tend to be more bullish than i think i'm hearing from a lot of the other guys but a lot has to do with what's working now and what might be working even later as we get further along. as long as things stay positive obviously with what's going on with the pandemic. >> well energy prices in case you haven't noticed ending what has been a strong week on a sour note crude falling 2% the fact china didn't provide a growth chart not helping expectations bk is seeing prices approaching q levels so show us what you're looking at oil at least on brent, kind of take a look at that. the wti charts are screwed up because of those negative prices
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look what happened with brent crude. we're back at the levels we had from the march 9, 10, that price war when we came over the weekend and all of a sudden, saudi arabia said we're going to pump as much possible. so we're back up at those levels now when i look at gaps like that r or any technical level, to me, it's a map. a sign post. are we going to have a u-turn or s curve. so i say you know what, the economy isn't getting any better if this starts to roll over, to me, there's more signal in commodity prices and even copper prices than there are in stock prices about what the economy's going to be doing because the central banks aren't buying commodities. they're buying equity equival t equivalen equivalents. >> jeff? >> it's not just oil it's other commodities i think it's indicative of what's going on in the global growth in terms of oil and our exposure to energy, i think i've said it before we don't have a great edge in predicting the direction of the
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economy. given my view on global growth, it's probably sideways to down, but we have some exposure to energy and we would rather be further from the well so we like names like exxon mobil more of the names with reasonable balance sheets so if you want exposure na that space, i would prefer names like exxon and something more exposed, but u overall watching the commodities to bk's point, it makes sense because they're trading on their own dynamics so it could be a could tell as it relates to global economic growth >> where would you go on the eck wii theties side for oil >> jeff was talking about the integratives i think you want to be downstream marketing and refining obviously you know a lot of the midstream companies were very hard hit the north american midstream companies and i think some of those might be a better play than what's being priced in at the depths of it but of course they're making a dpood point. the thing is is that oil is trading on fundamentals. it's not a technical issue here.
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what wr can the oil go central banks aren't buying oil. where are they going to put it you need storage to store oil. continue to see elevated production and not con sunlgts if you look at futures curve for oil, it's extremely steep. that is generally a short-term bearish condition. that's what we have. >> coming up, stimulus checks spurring a surge in stock trading. the one name that attracted the most interest. and roku says things aren't getting much better for the company fast money's back in two. you should be mad at forced camaraderie. and you should be mad at tech that makes things worse. but you're not mad, because you have e*trade, who's tech makes life easier by automatically adding
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new data shows many americans put their money to use in the stock market. trading was a a second or third most popular use for those funds across income brackets. america's banking between 35,000 and 75,000 increased their trading by 90% compared to the week before they got their check. with this increased activity, how could the broker dealers be setting up how are retail traders setting up when you hear about americans gambling away their stimulus checks, i don't know, makes me a little nervous >> makes me a little bit nervous as well but i will say that the volumes speak for themselves it's absolutely off the charts if you just go over the last couple of weeks, we were averaging about 31 million contracts per day. when i started on cnbc back in '07, we averaged about 10 million contracts per day.
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gives you an idea of how crazy things have become last year, we had a record volume of a little over 20 million per day. this year, we're run ining on about 27.5 per day so there is volume there we've seen a lot of this throughout the pandemic. i'm not so positive that i would be encouraged by the idea of these checks going if that's what's happening here. but we certainly are seeing the volumes. it's there, mike can speak to this as well i've never seen so much options in my life with and you could see it in the numbers. they don't lie it's amaze iing how much is out there, but people understand what they're doing though because there better be educated the options world can be a very, vi violent thing and you have to understand what your risks are, so e hopefully they do >> the stock market falls into the same category. this is money people should be willing to lose completely and feel comfort bable in doing so in theory, on i don't know line brokers should see a benefit
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except for the minor detail it's been a race to row when it camera comes to trade commissions. >> that's right and i guess my tame is less scientific. i've gotten phone calls and texts from friends asking about getting into the market. i don't know if that's necessary stimulus check related but you are seeing it and it might sound silly, but our buddy, dave s a massive following that younger demographic and i think that day trading he's doing actually might have had an impact in people signing up. looking at the stocks of some of these companies, e*trade has held up the best but u it's bumping up against and down sloping its 200 day. i would prefer a name like schaub their growth is quicker and they have the size and scale. you see them gobbling up companies like td ameritrade looking at investment assets and others i prefer a company like that, the size and scale so i think all things
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considering, with schwab being down 30%, if i was looking across the board and assuming this is going to have an impact, i'd choose schaub. i guess maybe some have been drawn to the market, youfr h you've had this rally, wu then you've had the rally then the market shakes, i wonder how sticky some accounts are sx . >> yep, absolutely we were wondering what exactly are these people trade something we looked and we were see iing h stocks that showed the most interest robin track which tracks data from robin hood found that over the past month, these are stocks most traded. aurora cannabis, moderna, delta, general electric seeing the biggest increase users holding those stocks looks like people are drawn to stocks that swing wildly are any of these interesting to you? >> interesting on the short side, maybe. certainly wouldn't be a buyer.
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here's the reason why people are trading these things i don't know that it's stimulus related. it's that people that would be preoccupied to and from the office and worrying about work are sitting at home, the markets are movering around which makes it tempting and i think there's a little video gaming that's going on so they have the time to open up these accounts. they have to time to sit there and watch the market the market's moving around so they're picking the most volatile stocks and i can understand that. the thing is is a company like xwr ge, people have this impression, the company's been around for 100 years and it's going to continue to be around without recognizing that some companies could have significant or permanent impairments. some of the ore companies like the bioteches, that's really a really speculative game and no assurance number one, they're going to find vaccines r or
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number two, that they're going to monotize it really. other than maybe getting a little bit of good will out of it we heard what biden had to say today talking about making sure that if there was a vaccine available, they would make it available free of charge that suggests there would be pricing pressure so even if you could identify one, maybe not the best opportunity i would urge people to stick with the industries on a broad basis if just starting out >> we have breaking news on united airlines. phil >> two days after united's annual meeting, they have executive compensation the new ceo will be paid a base salary of $1 million it's important to note that both of them will be forgoing their salaries for the rest of this year that's a commitment they made back when everything started with covid-19. that b kopt through the rest of this year and also their bonuses will be continued upon united employees receiving profit
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sharing checks clearly that's not going to happen so they won't receive a bonus until the front line employees are once again receiving profit sharing checks and that's, people would be stunned if that happened this year melissa, back to you >> there's been a lot of scrutiny on the airlines specifically united. didn't they unveil plans to start laying off employees, the first day possible after getting the bailout money, october 1st is the date? >> well, they said that they plan with at least 30% of their management and administrative staff that starting october 1st, they would go on with furloughing up to 30% of those employees then clearly if traffic and if business does not rebound substantially by the end of september, you're likely going to see cuts in terms of furloughs with pilots, flight attendants, et cetera. although when he talks d kirby,
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he said we want o work the unions if we can work out a system where they have few uer hours and therefore we can keep people and not have to furlough them, that would be preferable >> thank you phil lebeau with the latest on united airlines. you take government money then the government will have a say in how you do things and i think that's what the airlines are coming up against at this point. >> yeah. imagine that right? imagine that somebody gives you money and they want to tell you what to do it's shocking. to go back to in terms of f what's going to happen in the fall, which is so many unknowns, warren buffett sold the airlines the number of things that can happen between now and october are so diverse, it's hard to put are we going to have a second wave will people get back on planes will airlines survive through this i wouldn't touch the airlines with pete's money.
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>> all right coming up, and you like pete, too. it's been a rough week for roku. why the surge for the stock may be over plus we'll be back with a special hour of fast money at 6:00 p.m stay with us these days, it's anything but business as usual. that's why working together is more important than ever. at&t is committed to keeping you connected. so you can keep your patients cared for. your customers served. your students inspired. and your employees closer than ever.
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to phil with the latest on her hertz. said hertz may file for chapter 11 as soon as tonight or in the next couple of days. if it seems like you've heard this headline in the last week r or two it's because we have. tonl to' hertz make its payment say no, we're still going so this is the pressure you're seeing out of hertz after hours. down about 13% dow jones citing sources saying we could see a chapter 11 bankruptcy filing from hertz as soon as tonight. melissa, back to you >> phil, thank you you' the stock down almost 16% brian, i guess we shouldn't be surprised necessarily. you see less traffic on airplanes and you've got fear of people renting the cars when they get out
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>> what's interesting they are selling off their fleet. and so phil's talking about how they these debt payments they go from week to week. how many cars can they sell. can they pay the bills if the answer is no, let's shut the light off. for me, i wouldn't touch it. >> all right, again, the stock is down now about 19%. time for the final trade let's go around the horn jeff, what do you say? i think it's worth taking a look at lowe's. the stock's traded lower than home depot, maybe for good reason online sales are looking bet erat worth a look at lowe's >> mike. yeah, i think i like microsoft doesn't sound like i like any stock, but i like microsoft. this is a company that's doing everything right fundamentally, they've got a lot of tail winds and options aren't
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