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balance sheet at this point. not doing well in the operations i don't know if disney could be actual contender for tik-tok there is also possibility that tik-tok is a separately spun off u.s. company >> right even for microsoft the plans with it. disentanninging will the ownership. this is going to be a fun story to follow. >> it will be. >> that does it for power lunch. we'll see new a little bit "closing bell" starts right now. >> welcome to the "closing bell." i i'm wilfred frost with sara eisen. facebook is at a new all time high amazon jumps 4%. we've lost steam intraday. certainly for the broader markets as new data shows consumer sentiment deteriorated in july. and on this, the final day of july whether we look at the day, week, month, or the year, the story is clear we said at the top, divergence
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s&p 500 essentially flat year to date nasdaq up some 19% 59 minutes left in the session, sara >> coming up on this friday afternoon, we've got a series of great gifts for you. red finn's stock was on fire the stock selling to have day on the company's cautious outlook as the ceo says the bottom codrp out on the economy we're going to talk to glenn kelman in a few minutes. and then apple once again, the biggest public company in the world, surpassing saudi ramco. continuing the historic run. the market cap now sitting above $1.8 trillion. it's up over 8.25% we'll talk about what an investor should do with this stock next let's focus in on the big stories that we're watching. mike santoli looking at the market and the tech stocks surging to day
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kayla is looking over the next stimulus package first to you, mike. >> the story from the morning was that great results from the big four of tech did not really lift all votes did you have weakness. sold a strong open the market firmed up in the last hour or so perhaps it is because maybe glimmers of hope over the weekend for some kind of resolution take a look at the s&p 500 year to date, what happened today really has not changed anything about the overall structure in terms of being right in this trading range. it's been very, very, very tight for two or three weeks right now. 3200 is the down side. 3280 is the upside nonkmisal, indecisive. a little weighed down by the concerns about the economy that has not really changed. didn't want to drill into the dominance of tech. it is not just tech writ large that is dominating it is the very, very largest, even within tech it is a winner take most setups.
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that's really where the performance is ryt, the equal weighted version of the s&p 500 technology sector every single tech stock, same amounts. it looks like the s&p 500 just barely better than that. so really what we're talking about is the very most dominant franchises just keep occurring more market value. and the question i think coming into august as we are right now is do they have enough behind them to really hold the market together that's been the question for a while. take a look at the profit margin setup. i think one of the other interesting take aways is the numbers were so good for those four tech stocks that
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essentially the market figured it out already the moves are nice but not decisive this is essentially the net profit margin since 2014 of all the big tech stocks. look at how resilient they are compared to the s&p 500. forget about amazon. they don't try to keep margins high that's what the market already figured out. it's not a bubble. it's no the about the fed. it's the numbers that they're producing. >> it's also crazy that the growth stocks and they're also considered safety plays. a lot of them are looking at the valuations a lot are looking at the valuations of the faang names next to bond valuations h it is tracking for a record low close. >> yep. >> are these alternative bets to safe haven bonds >> they're related to bonds. they're long duration assets that's what a bond is. traditional growth, what we call traditional growth stocks would have been the consumer products companies. consumer staples companies they're going to be very stable
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for very long peereds of ti per time and they're expensive when interest rates are low it's no the that different its just a different flavor of that traditional growth stock haven that is work right now >> mike, thank you very much lots more to discuss on the market front throughout the show but let's get to kayla taushy with the latest on the stimulus negotiations which are weighing on sentment today. kayla? >> stimulus talks are at a stalemate with today unemployment benefits and eviction protection set to expire for tens of millions of americans. the house of representatives is on stand by. the senate is adjourned for the weekend. all of this after white house negotiators tried unsuccessfully to try to reach a stopgap deal to keep some of the protections in place and now president trump is casting blame across the aisle >> we're playing for the good of
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the people it's a disgrace that they're not negotiating. i happen to think it's a bad political game i think it hurts them. >> democrats have suggested they want nothing less than a $3 trillion heroes act which extends the benefits through january. they believe shining on to any short term deal with dilute the wren leverage in getting that they say now the white house is on the clock >> the path that they have taken us down with their delay, denial, distortions have caused death. respective camps recalibrating the positions. the president is in florida for a series of campaign events as the benefits are set to expire >> as you say, set to expire today. there will be millions of people hit by that.
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how long will they be hit by that for can we expect a resolution in days, early next week or crossed the linehere there can be a move to move quickly once that deal is reached. but that is the question what is a deal that get reached like like? so many are far apart right now. it doesn't seem like any compromise without mainlior cave on behalf of either side >> thank you so much for that broader markets. as we stand, we got the s&p 500 just above the flat line dow just lower improving a little bit "the new york times" reporting that microsoft is in talks to buy the company, particularly the u.s. entity.
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mike isaac one of the reporters that broke that what can you tell us this is just the u.s. entity that we're talking about is that right? they're owned by the chinese media and technology conglomerate so the dmp as well as american institutions have been trying to figure out different ways to eventually alleviate the scrutiny one way is eliminate the big companies including microsoft are looking at an acquisition outright and so we're still looking into how far the talks are along.
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>> is there any indication, mike, that that would work that this would be a way to apiece the trump administration? >> i think -- yeah i think the big issue for the white house is just, you know, the ties back to china they would have to give some serious sort of -- i mean, look, there is many employees in beijing who work on tiktok as well beyond the new york and l.a. office that's have u.s. employees. the i think they would have to -- for any deal to work, they would have to make assurances saying we fire walled u.s. user data tllt is no sort of ties to the company anymore. i don't know i don't know if they hammered the details out quite yet or to the point that, you know, they're really serious on it but i think everyone sort of has an opportunity right now especially for a social network that even facebook is very
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worried about in terms of how fast it's growing and how powerful it's become. >> fascinating that this story breaking on the week of those big tech hearings which were centered aren't topic of antitrusts microsoft wasn't present at them >> yeah. i mean, it is great timing coming after the focus on congress i do think, i guess the one thing that microsoft has done over the years and it has done and a strong media presence. they missed out on facebook years ago. they don't own twitter they don't have, you know, perfect and other things and can you argue that microsoft buying tiktok would open up competition even better in the u.s. as another u.s. owned company -- or another u.s.
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backed presence to challenge the dominance of the facebook in the united states. so maybe they have that argument going for them >> any idea, mike, what it would be worth also, any -- i know you're not reporting any other companies, american companies in the mix. but anyone can you think of that might be under consideration here >> yeah. i'm trying -- yeah so after i get off the phone with you, i'm going to start dialing for dollars. i think that the folks i'm thinking of are who -- what companies don't have as much of -- i don't think a facebook would make sense just because they know they're too hot to even touch sort of social media acquisition. what companies want to be in that space, the ad space that have a better chance of something like that. when it comes to getting regulatory approval?
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so i don't want to name anyone now because i don't want to speculate. thought he those are the types of folks i would think of. >> i just want to round off in terms of the geographic split. this is being seen as u.s. versus rest of the world for tiktok as opposed to china versus rest of the world because clearly the u.s. authorities are the ones and lawmakers have the bit between the teeth in terms of worrying about possible intrusion from chinese tech companies but that is a themethat is certainly viping adeveloping this is not going to include the european entity and other nonchinese parts of this company. >> i think the thing that made it clear is really, you know, facebook's dissent in front of congress this week and essentially facebook has been, you know, the thing i've been watching lately is seeing facebook really single out
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tiktok as this unamerican success story and facebook, you know, zuckerberg said on the earnings call that they think of it as an american success story. that has picked up pressure on tiktok to make a decision or choice or figure out how it is going to alleviate pressure sometime soon. as has been reported, there is talk of investors buying majority stake in tiktok instead of a full acquisition. it's very much in play right now. >> mike, we'll let you get back to your reporting. you're dialing for dollars as you say. >> but only if you do get a big scoop you ring straight back and break it here. >> i'll call you right back. >> all right we'll talk to you soon
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raises questions about microsoft's own focus. the market really bought that story. it's worked. and so it would be sort of an interesting forray into consumer and social media >> it worked and it's kept them out of the privacy debate as well >> sure. >> the hearings this week were on antitrust but they verged into privacy as well it has worked remarkably and kept them out of the political cross hairs over the last couple years. >> coming up, stay tuned for that we are inside a tornado. that's how redfin's ceo described the volatility he is seeing of the quarter with demand down 40% then up 40%. he'll join us next to discuss what's going on in the housing market (vo) since our beginning, our business has been people. and their financial well-being.
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year over year changes in demand going from down 41% to up 40%. calling it a level of volatility he has seen in his 30 years of business joining us now for more is mr. glen so what is the outlook here. there are great expectations around your stock and company. you were a little cautious in the guide. how long do you think this is going to last? >> the outlook is merky. q-2 income was up in the united states because unemployment benefits were so strong. but now we have questions around whether that will will continue. and in the meantime, the economy is split in two where the housing market is doing incredibly well even as gross domestic product contracts america is thinking more about the home more people are relocating because of work from home. we're not sure what the outcome will be. but the immediate -- the
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immediate effect is very, very strong demand. >> at all price points, glen or just as you're kind of suggesting and sort of two tier economy that it's only people that are relatively well off that are benefiting from these low mortgage rates >> well, it's really across the board except for condominiums and urban centers. those are a hard sell now because of the demographic the people that normally buy the products are unemployed. but also you just don't have as much demand to live in a city center so those are the areas that we're most worried about but single family homes selling for $300,000 in the middle of the country are snapped up by californian who's are living los angeles and san francisco for more affordability i think it has been fairly broad. there is softness in the luxury end of the segment but not much.
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>> how do you process that >> we processed it as a social calamity we have to think of the families who could be out on the streets and hopefully society will intervene in one way or another. if you look at the data right now, 8% of mortgages are in forbearance. they let you defer payment for a year in january, the delinquent rate was 3% so clearly the people in the business of evicting folks out of apartments and houses of handling delinquents and foreclosures are anticipating a big 2021 and that's one of the shoes that
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we're really worried could drop next year. right now inventory is very low. but some inventory could come on to the market because of the hardship that some americans are facing right now almost everyone is locked in place. there are few people that want to sell a house. there are very few people that want to put their home on the market and have strangers walk through and potentially cause infection. something is going to give >> quickly on the structural shift. you mentioned san francisco and l.a. where are the place that's could be set to suffer the most? is it the most expensive cities that has been to be having high tax rates? are we seeing a massive fall in price there's? a small fall in price there's? there is an experience for me.
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certainly the cities are under duress because the tax base is headed for the hills so they're dealing with all sorts of social issues and at the same time people are leaving. so a lot of californians are going to texas i think that's going to cause some softness in home prices there. everyone is stuck at home thinking about how they can't stand the drapes in this place and they ought to just sell it we are seeing more people buying homes in every city in the country. so even in, say, new york, you're seeing some housing demand for condoes, that's where it's really soft. >> glenn, thank you for joining us. >> yeah. it was fun >> we're at the moment, well after session lows the dow is down 300. it's nearly positive it's only down 37 points s&p 500 is now positive. nasdaq up 1% it's been a big week for vaccine news with developments from merck and johnson and an
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as coronavirus cases start to roll over in hot spots, deaths are still increasing at an larming rate. let's bring in dr. scott gottlieb and cnbc contributor to discuss. everything that we've sort of processed about the virus this week, you know, one buzzy topic was dr. fauci saying that, you know, we're trying to think about precautions that we should be wearing perhaps goggles or face shields which i haven't really seen any public officials doing are there studies showing this virus is being transmitted through the eyes we can barely get everybody to wear masks i'm not sure we're there how are we going to do goggles >> is data this is not new. the virus can be spread through the eyes the if you're talking closely to someone and the droplets land on your eyes, it's a lower risk way
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by which this virus gets spread. it is a route of transmission. there are studies where they took the virus and inoculated the eyes of monkeys and they found that they were able to contract the virus we know that if you have -- if your hands are contaminated, if you touch the contaminated surface and rub your eyes, that is a route of transmission for a lot of viruses so if you want to protect yourself more fully, it's prudent to wear some kind of eye coverings. it doesn't need to be goggles or a face shield. quite frankly, when i flew on an airplane, i wore sunglasses. so i wore a mask and sunglasses recognizing there is a risk if if you're in close contact with someone and a leris pi respiraty droplets land on your eyes if you want to fully protect yourself, i recommend you put on glasses. it doesn't need to be goggles. >> i thought you were going to say you wore swimming goggles on
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a plane. that would be quite a look >> are you encouraged by the tone and politicians are not saying you don't need to wear them anymore even if we don't have an outright mask ban. and the corporate sector established a mask wearing mandate s that a game changing difference >> i think there is a real secular shift. i think what the business community has been done is very important. mandating masks in a lot of settings inside their business establishments people can't go outside their home without bringing a mask with them if they want to go shopping or into an indoor settinging it's still regional and spotty around the country there is more version to it. there are different cultural
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norms and different parts of the country. but you are seeing more widespread adoption. i think this can have a real tangible impact on the risk going into the fall. you start to see more mask adoption after a region gets hard hit i suspect after texas and arizona and florida, states where there wasn't a lot of mask wearing come out from their current epidemics and hopefully those situations start to resolve themselves i think the residual i infect is going to be a public that is a little bit more weary and hopefully willing to engage in the collective action that is going to prevent the virus from coming back and the levels we're seeing right now >> we're hoping for they'rapeutc to come out. we got a word that they did fail to help people suffering from covid-19 these drugs, especially anti-inflammatory ones that are aimed at targeting the storm which makes people crash and makes it very, very dangerous, i
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mean haven't had a lot of success. how do we deal with the really delicate icu cases >> this wasn't a surprise that this trug failed there were other studies looking at these drugs that hadn't been successful there are two phases to this virus. the viral response phase that is the willness caused by the virus. runny knows, fever, the sore throat all this upper respiratory symptoms most people have that. that gets a lot of people in trouble. the other more targeted anti-inflammatory drugs didn't work there are others being study including a drug on the board that i'm on, pfizer. there are others being looked
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at we've had now one successful drug for the treatment of this sort of post viral inflammatory response there is going to be other therapeutic that's come along, i think, between now and the end of the year including the drugs in the market by amgen and all advancing anti-body drugs that sort of are modelled off the antibodies that your body would respond in response to the infection. there is a lot of theoretical basis why they work. they worked in other settings. >> got it. really quickly this is key for people going back to work and trying to deal. how many days after exposure can you get a test how many days does it take from being exposed to testing positive i feel like nobody is giving us a straight answer here >> the conventional wisdom is 14 days they migrated it down to ten
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the median amount of days is five to seven days i think after seven days can you feel confident you're not going to develop the virus if you want to be prudent, you should wait a little longer. >> dr. gottlieb, thank you for joining us as always >> thanks a lot. >> time for a cnbc update. sue herrera has it hi, sue. >> hello, everybody. here's what's happening at this hour twitters is et appreciates the quote swift actions of law enforcement after the arrest today of 17-year-old tampa resident graham i've an clark. he is being charged as an adult with being the mastermind behind a bitcoin scam two weeks ago that used the hijacked twitter accounts of many high profile names. two others are being charged with being accomplices william barr is will to take the death penalty off the table for two isis raised militants suspected of beheading hostages. that report is according to the "washington post." the suspects are held by the
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u.s. but the case has been stalled because britain won't turn over key evidence if the two face possible execution. public school students in boston will not be going back to their classrooms full time that city's mayor says schools will either be teaching all online or using a combination in class and online education undergraduate courses will be online in the fall schools are trying to figure it out as the deadline approaches wilf, back to you. >> see you again next hour up next, with just 28 minutes left of the session, until the close, apple is up almost 10% it's doubled in just the last year and top analysts will join us to explain why he now thinks the stock has been derisked for the rest of this year. let's have a look at bonds as we go to break. we're set for a record low yield closes almost the whole way across the curve.
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welcome back shares of apple surging so% after reporting a blowout third quarter -- gosh, more than 10% now. gained in just that short break. revenues grew 11% while analysts had expected to decline 3% joining us, the senior research analyst at bernstein how impressed were you by the numbers? >> the numbers were great. categorically, every part of the business was much better than expectations except for services which is a more stable business but transactionally, you know, apple really benefited they had a weak quarter last quarter. clearly people were holding back on purchasing their products and there was some pent up demand and we certainly saw that. and that's reflective of the fact that they have a attractive set of products right now and during the pandemic people are searching out electronics
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staying at home. >> iphone revenue was $26.4 billion. the forecast was for more like $22 billion. two questions on that. i mean, we always say it's all about the iphone and clearly it's the biggest segment but that is actually only half or just less than half of the total revenue. and secondly, what does it tell us about how successful the 5-g cycle could be for them that they delivered such a strong beat on iphone revenue and a tough quarter? >> sure. so, you know, apple is becoming more than an iphone story. i think that's the principle reason why you have seen the stock see significant multiple expansion over the last two years. this quarter services gross profit dollars worth 39% of total. they don't report it but likely services operating profit dollars were more than half. services is a reoccurring
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business investors will pay more for that business than they will an iphone or hardware business. the so we're seeing that play out. and that's true. the iphone is becoming a smaller part of the mix and services is becoming a larger part of the nix. so we certainly are seeing that play out >> so let's talk about the view forward for apple wlaen to do with the stock i mean they didn't give the explicit forward guidance. they did say that they were looking at a delay so how does that set us up for the next quarter and 2021 versus where expectations are right now with the stock having this big surge today? >> look, relgtive relative zpo is good. that is affectsing transactional sales for iphone so, es, much better than expectations had there been no pandemic, april w apple would have done even better so this fiscal year, september 30th, that is the iphone
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business is being impacted in two ways one by the pandemic and lower consumer spending. secondly, apple announces new products tend of september and thet a new surge in sales. they're not going to have that in september the new products only come in october. so what that sets up is a potentially very strong fiscal 2021 which starts on october 1st because of some of the people who would have ordinarily bought phones this year but didn't because of the pandemic, they're likely to upgrade next year. then you have, you know, pushed out sales of the new product which are typically in september and going to start to happen in october. we think next year's cycle could be very strong apple was selling 220 million phones per year and 2017, 2018 the last couple years they've been under 200 million phones. and we think there's, you know, some spent up demand there solder installed base. you know, people with cracked
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screens, you know, weaker batteries. it could be dramatically higher than the 200 million that we're seeing this year i think that setup is very attractive in terms of, you know, having a strong cycle going forward. >> how significant is the stock split? >> you know, look, apple's done this before. and it does make it available to more available to retail investors. we're obviously seeing reports of heightened retail trading and so certainly that could make the stock more accessible to retail investors i think academic studies say do you get some move in advance of stock splits but thereafter the market is efficient, especially for a deep liquid stock like apple. but, you know, that's what apple is trying to do. the it is clearly be more aggressive to retail investors
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>> sounds like you need to raise your price target, tony. you are still $400 >> we are at $400. look, we think the risk slash reward is favorable. the market is very buoyant particularly for tech. so it's hard to put a price target that lasts for too long without manufactuy of the tech blowing through them we are above consensus for next year and we think, you know, risk/reward on the stock for the next several months is positive. >> tony, thank you very much for joining us on the back of of this more than 10% move higher for apple. we've got breaking news on kansas city southern it's surging leslie picker with the story >> take a look at shares of kansas city southern up more than 11.5%, almost 12% on dow jones report saying that a group of buyout investors are looking to take kansas city southern private in a deal that would amount to more than $21
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billion including debt according to dow jones and their sources which were anonymous in the story, they say that blackstone's infrastructure arm and global infrastructure partners are together exploring a bid for kansas city southern and talking with banks including citigroup about financing that deal interestingly enough, those two funds, blackstone's is about $14 billion and global infrastructure partners 2shgs $2 billion. they would have to seek additional help to come up with a consortium to take them private. investors though, they like the idea of that as can you see. that stock clearly soaring on this news today. back to you. >> leslie picker, thank you. up next, pinterest surging 30%, evchron sinking. we take you "inside the market zone" after. this h the now platform.
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cnbc mike santoli is here to break down the crucial minutes we've got wells fargo scott ren here as well the dow going positive we kick it off with the broader market s&p 500 has gone positive this hour we had a nice bounce here. technology is outperforming all day long led by apple. the last day of july major averages are on track for the fourth straight month of gains. s&p 500 on track for the best july performance since 2010. looks like we're going to end it on a high note. >> yeah. obviously, the one constant all day has been the extreme strength in the very largest tech stocks. apple is the most representative of that. i think the broader market, even though average stock is do down .3%, the broader market had this lift in the last hour
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we're going to be lbo'ing railroads and microsoft running $50 billion checks maybe there is some kind of a fiscal deal over the weekend because it's not going to get any worse than the stalemate it is right now we're getting reports maybe there is progress. i think it is mostly about let's collect our negative bets and take that off the table a little bit before the weekend just because the market bent but didn't break as i mentioned earlier, it really has been kind of resilient in this particular range for a few weeks now. >> mike, to the point about big tech's outperformance. we spoke with tony he was constructive. very constructive, i'd say, in tone and in content of what he said over the next 12 months the move today takes us past the share price target is that thing we'll see across the street which is you can't bet against it today but will we start to question as soon as next week how much they outperformed >> i think people have been asking that question for a long time clearly the market has been
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running ahead of professional sentiment, i he guess you might say, about these stocks. mostly because apple in particular is plowing new upside ground in valuation. it was always kind of this, you know, cheaper than it deserved to be or it was kind of a discount to the market and the valuation just blasted off right now. to the extent this is about a stock split, i do think you had might want to be a little skeptical about the short term $35 billion of apple shares traded to day. it's a lot so, therefore, it's a true stampede of people deciding i can't fight this anymore presumably warren buffett is not selling shares you know, it's just a tough one to bet against given the buyback and all the other factors. >> let's hit some other stock movers today shares of undera armour sinking. under armour shares did rise before the call after reporting what was a beat on the second
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quarter on the top and bottom lines. better margins earlier, i did talk to under armour ceo about the outlook for the rest of the year which he gave caution on. listen >> we're taking more conservative outlook on the back half of the year we think there is a lot of uncertainty out there in terms of how the consumers are going to navigate this near term period of the end of 2020. so i think that is really how things have, you know, evolved so far as we've seen this pandemic kind of roll across the world and consequently we think that as we look into the future right now, we feel that it's the right thing to do is to take the conservative approach. >> look, here's the story with under armour the talk about higher inventories and in the second half the fact that they would have to do discounts and promotions to unload some of that inventory, that's what spooked wall street on the call. at a time where this company, mike, is trying to turn its
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several around and try to revitalize the brand and make it more premium and get it resonating with consumers. they're taking the pandemic as a opportunity to reset the size, unload some of the assets. but now they got to convince wall street that they can grow actually, the good news here is that they're selling a ton of masks. they've been making the athletic masks and using interesting innovation to create the three layers but clearly, wall street's focus here is on the turn around and just how long it's going to take for under armour >> for sure. i think the focus has been for a while now on just how valuable and strong the brand is going to be on an enduring basis. the is it going to be able to get back to a position of really being a rival for the ultimate premium brands in the category i don't know that we necessarily know that. at this point, you know, it seems like a little bit of people just kind of walking away from the story >> scott, pivoting back to the broader markets, how long do you
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think the market can shrug off the lack of a stimulus agreement if we still don't have one by this time next week, for example, would that see the market pull back massively >> i think the market is going to be sensitive to more stimulus coming out of congress i think the market believes that we will see more stimulus coming out. that's the way we're leaning as well if you get a couple days of news where things are uncertain, those types of things, then you're going to get a little bit of down side to the market but as mike mentioned, you know, right now it doesn't seem like there say lot of people afraid to go home long on the stock market this weekend. we could hear news, good or bad, out of members of congress about these negotiations the market expects decent treatment and vaccine news which leads to employment and consumers outspending money. theres a lot going on out.
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there but the market is fleeng a directi fleeng a direction that i think is going to jive with the fund ales the. >> a lot of focus on facebook which up is 7.5% it's not the only social network rallying today pinterest is up 35%. we explain why >> that's right. pinterest shares soaring after saying that revenue grew 50% in july from the year ago quarter the company forecasting 30% rev new growth in the third quarter. pinterest reporting better than top and bottom line as well as stronger user growth as well as shopping from retailers. it is benefiting from the facebook boycott saying they're using this opportunity to educate advertisers but how and why pinterest is different and how p interest is not a place for
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political debate >> thank you so much >> how do the pinterest valuations stack up against the other big tech names >> pinterest in perterms of profitability, they don't have the high margin mod that will is going to kick off profits unendingly i do think, though, that it's small enough that the idea that kit just kind of have a long runway of user growth is probably a little bit different than what's going on with facebook the big question is, i mean, when you talk about what the shutdown and the stay at home trend has done for amazon and for the established -- for facebook and the like, people have confidence that once you're a user, once you're plugged into prime, they're going to find a way to sell you more and more and more there is no escaping it. and you're a valuable customer for life i'm not sure that's the case when you talk about the secondary social networks.
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>> what we're learning is the stay at home stocks which we knew they were weathering the storm. do you stick with that as an investi investing theme until we get more clarity >> i think that the market wants to be in names that can make money and own their niche. whether the economy is good or bad. as we've seen, i mean there are companies out there making a lot of money what makes sense to us, we like consumer communication services, the streamers and social networks, they're all in there those are the companies that benefited he would don't expect that to not move forward until we get more clarity and everything broadens out. >> we're not far off the session
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highs. markets recovered in the last couple hours energy is the worst performing sector both today and this week. the oil joint reported bigger than expect the losses the they both cited the global pandemic chevron warning that results may be depressed into the third quarter. chevron down some 7% as can you see. exxon down 3%. scott, are these companies cheap at the moment? cheap enough to be attractive to you? >> not in our minds. we're underweight energy the we're unfavorable that sector energy stocks do well when you have supply constraints, a robust economy, a little bit of inflation and we don't have any of that right now.
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we're going put gas in our garz. overall that sector has not performed well we don't like it and we're sticking with that rating at least for the near term >> crude oil is back above 40. we have two minutes left a little over that in the trading week mike, you have more on the market internals >> actually, have not come back as much as the overall indices have it it's very difficult for negative breadth which we had in the morning. 75% to the down side to really turn the corner late in the day. it is better than it was this morning. still, more than 2-1 to the down side that also reflects the underperformance of the smaller cap stocks today you want to take a look at the social networks that are busy at stay at home against a reopening basket which is this leisure and entertainment etf. this is a week where you had a 5% spread between the two categories out there the market held up pretty well without really a comeback of
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sentiment towards the strength of the economic recovery and reopening. at least not yet they are under 25. hit a pop earlier today. it's not necessarily falling apart. but this is now going to be carving out slight new lows. there is a tension release it's a net positive. although, august, very, very often has a tendency and shows an uptick in volatility and tomorrow is august. >> we have just under one minute left quick mention of the u.s. dollar which is finally rebounding today. it's up .5%. but still down 4% for the month of july. gold has continued its rise. up over 1% it is up some 10 1/2% as a whole. equity markets near the session highs. we approach the close. s&p 500 is up .6%. nasdaq up 1.4% apple up a massive 10.5%
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$180 billion facebook up 8% will amazon only up 4% gave up some of the gains. still significant gains there. tech, consumer discretion and communication services, best performing sectors for the day worst, energy and health care. at the close, right by the session highs, 126 points higher on the dow s&p 500 up 0.8%. nasdaq up 1.5% >> strong finish to the day. the week, and the month. welcome back, everyone, i'm sara eisen. senior markets kpen take thor. take a look at how we finished up the day on wall street. everybody ended higher except for the small caps there is the dow apple leading the charge today cloedings up 10% on the back of much better earnings the dow up .4% the s&p 500 closing by .75%.
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all day long, a tech driven move then you have strength in the end of the day by materials, utilities, financials closed green. we have two sectors in the s&p 500 that closed at record highs to day technology and consumer discretionary. thank you, faang and the nasdaq up 1.5% obviously the star of the day. and of the entire month. it's really been the story of the week as well the russell 2000 index down 1% today. it was the outlier you had negative groups like energy, health care. the industrials also closing lower. we'll speak with a company that performed up to a third of all coronavirus tests in the u.s the stock hitting an all time high today going back to the ipo in 1990. it's been a moon shot for this one. stephen mcmillan will join us in a few. the let's talk about the market today. and for the month. wells fargo investment institute is still with us
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ubs and mark smith joins the conversation first i'll turn it you to, mike. you sort of left us last hour with the fact that august can be volatile but the setup here is just more of the same. which is technology leads this market that remains disunconnected with a lot of the economic fundamentals we see. >> no doubt about it there was a little bit of a squeeze and chase feel just to the final hour you don't know if that is necessarily telling you much of anything except you have this month end rush people not wanting to be skewed to negative to into the weekend. we have another interesting situation here that is a record high monthly close on the s&p 500 a couple per spent below the all time close that is mid month. all thyme monthly close. at the same time, all time low and all time high close in gold. so it's the everything rally at the moment it is kind of disinflationary boom that is going on in the asset markets at the moment. not that there is vas
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disagreement but it is very stark the bottom line take away stock market this market managed to hold up in this range as we weathered this kind of case surge and a lot of other other issues that were decent excuses for it to back off more. so not too far below the high end of that range either >> mike, i ghes week or this month is another highlight that the sicyclicals can never rally for more than a couple days at a time again, you look at the week or monthly performance and it shows that >> they have not been able to the burden of proof is on the areas and investors are emphasizing the areas for a while. things like pretty compressed in terms of if there is a better deal maybe there is some other kind of reason for the real economy to perk up a little bit, then you might see something a little
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more of a outperformance phase it's hard to bet on that though. not being at those points and not knowing if the factors are going to kick in that's right >> scott ren, what is the expectation in the market right now for fit call stimulus? how much and what key components do you think investors are expecting? >> well, it looks like that we're going get something between a trillion and a trillion and a half. i think the democratic proposal is too much. it is not going to make it through congress but certainly we're likely to see some more ppp, just basically getting money to small businesses in the hands of consumers. we'll see an extension of the unemployment benefit it may not be $600 a week. but it is going to be some fraction of that half or maybe slightly less. so we'll see support that is focused on businesses, consumers. we might see a little bit of state and municipal government
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as well. but for us, somewhere in that trillion to trillion and a half, and clearly this is going to be a little bit more of a debate than these other phases have been which has been largely bipartisan this one there is argument going on some in congress don't think we need another stimulus program. so you can see that the two ends of the spectrum are far apart. you see what happens there is more money pumped into the economy. >> is big tech too expensive >> our firm believes it is it looks like it is very overvalued four or five names really impact the s&p 500 up in will today and there are a lot of things that we should be concerned about. you look at 19 weeks of over a million un -- filing for unemployment that is over $50 million americans. and then you're also seeing that we're going to have to have trillion dollar deals.
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like it's pocket change. that's why gold is rallying. that's why we're telling our clindz at ubs you have to have a position in gold because you just have to offset all this spending that we're doing. and overvalue of the tech trade that you just referred to. >> so, mark, if not tech, so you like gold. where else would you be telling your clients to be at this point given the economic backdrop that you just laid out? >> we actually just put an overweight on international. because it looks like in europe they're doing a lot better job of handling the coronavirus than we are here. and so you're seeing the economy pick up. and a lot faster pace. so we're starting to ask clients to put a little more into the international stocks specifically in europe because of the job they're doing in contract tracing can you see the results. look at their numbers compared to ours.
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you have to have international as well. >> we have reports on tiktok "the new york times" reporting that microsoft could be in talks to bite company. a tweet caught our attention we roped him back in this afternoon. he said if microsoft buys tiktok it will flatten the enterprise they make me question the focus with cloud devices and gaming, don't they have enough to do already? john, so you don't think is a smart move >> well, hey, wilf, i'm not saying they're going to do this or not or they should or shouldn't. what i'm saying it is will break the story if they do it. stories are important to investors. they have to reframe the way they explain the strategy. so what i am saying is this. the gaming business is a legacy consumer business inside microsoft, the company has described itself as enterprise led, business led. yeah, they have consumer versions of word, outlook and rest, for example.
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so the focus is on selling to companies. and also microsoft's consumer businesses have tended to be thing thez charge people for there is a free version. but that is really about getting people to sign up for the subscription version fueling the enterprise version yeah, some people say what about mine craft and, yes, microsoft they bought mojang it was the first big buy it seemed like a detour at the time they explained it was about community and creating cross platform experiences integrating into education programs teaching coding. plus, gaming exception like x box. tiktok doesn't fit that. it's no the a game it's a content platform. a social experience. it it's more like snap chat or mixer, the twitch competitor that microsoft just killed if they do buy tiktok, i can see microsoft reframing their strategy and story to make it fit. talking about community like mine craft is a community. linked in is a community get hub is a community
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but there is a difference. minecraft is paid software they're getting work done. and tiktok is none of those things it's hard to imagine how you make money off tiktok outside of advertising and consumer data collection which, i mean, up to this point is a quagmire that microsoft mostly avoided getting into it will be really interesting to see where they go from here. it opens a wide door and they're going to have to explain things differently. >> but didn't we just see from facebook's quarter why, i mean, being in social media is still pretty good business to be in? could you see nadela throwing his nat that ring and getting in to compete with those kind of giants or, you know, by the same token, it is too risky with the scrutiny that microsoft avoided? >> yeah, i think can you also say we saw frommal if bet's
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close that advertising is a tricky business to be in how many resources are they willing to dedicate to really growing this does it really integrate into the x box network. any of those things that they're really trying to bolster this community thing is this a community that is pitted up against a youtube, a facebook, other big powerful companies that they want to fight? they can just back down with mixer or some special area where they can really grow hey, we'll see >> a quick final thought in terms of the valuations here of these big tech companies. is microsoft one of the more attractively valued ones sh. >> i don't know. if it's more attractively valued i guess it depends on whether
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you're looking at revenue growth if, you're really factoring in cloud. that is why story is important sfligt a lot of people valuing microsoft now are doing it based on cloud and investment in being plate form that other people build on top of. tiktok is not that if you're buying tiktok, it's an application argument that now you're integrating big users, big consumers of data, big communities into that platform you have to buy those. as opposed to just get them to rent the space from you. the valuation question is an interesting one. it goes to story as well >> john, thanks very much for joining us on that potential deal we're out of time now. scott and mark, thank you for joining us >> thanks, guys. >> up next, coronavirus testing capacity is a hot button issue and the u.s. is still struggling
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to keep up with massive demand we'll talk to the ceo of hologic. we're be back in 90 seconds. my name is janelle hendrickson, and i'm an area manager here at amazon. when you walk into an amazon fulfillment center, it's like walking into the chocolate factory and you won a golden ticket. it's an amazing feeling. my three-year-old, when we get a box delivered, he gets excited. he screams, "mommy's work!" when the pandemic started, we started shipping out all the safety stuff
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that would keep the associates safe to all the other amazons. all of these are face masks, we've sent well over 10 million gloves. and this may look like a bottle of vodka. when we first got these, we were like whoa! [laughing] with this pandemic, safety is even more important because they're going home to babies, they're going home to grandparents. so, our responsibility is to make sure that they go home safe every single day. revenues no surprise were driven by covid-19 diagnosics. that segment bringing in $460 million, marking 170% increase year over year joining us now in an exclusive interview, hologic's ceo thank you for joining us congratulations on the good
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numbers. i mean -- >> good to see you thank you. >> likewise. when did this come in the quarter? a lot of the anlives xplesing surprise at the scale of the beat because you provided an update, i think, in early june and you blew past expectations that they had priced in off the back of that update. was this all right at the back end of the quarterer >> it was very late in june. and we really just got our product approved in may. in the united states and then we got our ce marks so for europe right at the very end of a really early june so we had a massive june and i think we're really proud that we produced 13 million tests in may and june. which at that point in time if you think about it, the u.s. in the month of may had done maybe 10 mill dwron in total so, you know, what we brought to the market and clearly trying to help everybody and help our lap customers, hospitals, really keep up with, you know, the
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unprecedented demand you've been talking about. >> what is the turn around time on a test you offer? >> well, i think part of what we're really trying to help here is because we have our panther systems and over 1,000 of them installed in the u.s. in all 50 states out in the hospitals, out in the regional labs, can you run about 1,000 tests per panther. and i think that's clearly helping, especially for the hospital who's are testing the patients, who want to come back in our partners are helping in terms of producing more panthers all of our suppliers, our team is literally working around the clock and we produced so much more just in may and june than we ever maenled and we're on track to continue. >> just as a broader question for the u.s., steve, how long does it take for those tests to
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come back? because we still continue to see -- i mean it's not pinpointing you here but delays when it comes to test results and long lines to get tests and shortages of supplies. why can't we figure this out >> yeah. i think, sara, it's because of the unprecedented ramp if you think about it by the way, just the amount that the u.s. is doing. we've done 50% more tests than the entire g 7 countries combined so i will will tell you first and foremost, you know, nothing has been scaled to this level. and the infrastructure of the labs and hospitals and all the collection and everything, we're working that out i think you'll continue to see progress you know, we're really on the manufacturing side so the best thing we can do which we're working, you know, our best to do, is get as many samples to as many states and labs and everybody that we can to really help our customers cut down on those times. i think what you are seeing
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increasingly is the prioritized patients that's what diagnostics needs bring to the world as well is better data. that our ability to really help target the right areas of the right times, the right patients so that we can continue no knock this off we have tote got turn around times even quicker. >> so, steve, when you see criticism of the administration that testing capacity is not good enough, do you think that that is unfair do you think they even deserve quite a lot of credit? or is the credit due to the private sector like yourself >> i really believe the private sector ramped this faster than anything and far faster than any government can ever ramp, you know, frankly anything this is an incredibly complex supply chain awhat if we needed five times more automobiles in this country three months from now than we have right now that is effectively what the diagnosic's industry has done in
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the last three months. no one manufacturer knows, if you good they've to the government, there is no way they're going to get that answer so it's the private sector rallying our teams have been working 24/7 it's like a construction site back behind my walls here. while we're also producing millions of tests a week and we're going around the clock. we've been adding people and it's really been an amazing effort that i don't think is fully appreciated. given the magnitude. you know, just two months ago people were saying as a country we can get to to 400,000 tests a day that will be great we're now over 800,000 tests a day. so the demand keeps going. so i do think where the government can play a stronger role is frankly helping us start to parse through the dwrat so that we can start to figure out a little bit better at the local levels where it is really needed and frankly, all people are not going to necessarily test the same or need the same treatment.
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the key is getting the right people treated >> it's a really important point. steve, just want to i tat opportunity to ask about -- >> go ahead, sara. >> in the time we have left, way nt to get a feel for the other business that's you have and, you know, you saw that big dropoff early in the crisis. in mammograms and other really important test that's people should be getting. how much has that come back relative to normal now that we've started to reopen >> sure. it's a great question. it was very concerning when you think about the drofoff in mammography screenings and cervical cancer screenings the national cancer institute put out a note saying there will be 10,000 additional deaths in the coming decade from breast and cervical cancer. because of delays in screenings. the positive is that mammography screenings are really largely come back to at least 90, 95% of
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the levels of where they were, you know, back in march when everything shut down. cervical screening is coming back it is so important so we're at least seeing a lot of the women's health testing coming back. that is encouraging. you know, it goes a little bit in fits and starts in certain areas. but really it's been coming back nicely and that, you know, is really the core mission as well which is really women's health >> steve, thank you. always good to get an update. >> thank you both. we appreciate it >> we have breaking news now on adobe. josh >>. >> so some news here from adobe, adoeb whyy is shutting off political ads on the ad platform we have a statement from the company saying that the ads requirement policy will now be modified to prohibit the running of political advertising
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creative assets. effective august 30th. this change may be zrubtive to some customers and commits to assisting them to other platforms. digital platformses, facebook to twitter have to wrestle with political adds and make decision whoonz to do with them the bottom line, adobe is shutting off political ads for the digitsal ad sales platform. >> what is adobe advertising cloud exactly? >> so my understanding, they are a pretty big player in facilitating the on line ad buying clearly the company is making a decision here that they're going to shut down spending for political buyers obviously right before the homestretch here every company got to make decisions about what rules, what requirements make sense to them. depending on their aims, values as a corporation this is adobe's. >> so this is intermediate airy as opposed to kind of where people would actually see the
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commercials themselves is. >> okay. thanks, josh >> that's our understanding. >> yeah. unlike twitter and spotify which also did it. still to come, mainlior league baseball is rocked by the coronavirus. basketball managed to make the return stick so far we're going to discuss with an nba insider, kevin durant's straight ahead or what's trendi. get real-time insights in your customized view of the market. it's smarter trading technology for smarter trading decisions. fidelity. in a highly capable lexus suv. at the golden opportunity sales event. get zero percent financing on all 2020 lexus models. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.
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the s&p 500 gained 5.5% for the month of july. best july since 2010 let's get a lack in the gap in sentiment between retail investors and professional money managers, mike what does it look like >> i've been dryitrying to desc. they have very stubbornly remained skeptical of the market if you look at the weekly poll very low bullish read chgdz is unusual when the market is going up on the other hand, the tactical traders is an organization weekly that tracks the equity exposure of that group this is the number subtracting the bullish number the so essentially had this is the gap between the tactical professionals and the retail investors in in the survey it's a record high right now
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they put together this thing and i don't know what the exact take away is generally when you had persistent bearishness among main street investors, it's confirmed by mute aol fund flows, and some other indicators that say that, you know, the average person is not really trusting this market and, against that, you have the kind of high frequency, you know, people who are playing the market every day they're really playing for aggressive upside. it seems like there is a tension there. probably means there is some shakeouts that could come along. option traders are bullish right now. but in general, hard to have a lot of down side acceleration or lasting down side if in fact the average person is not yet bought in that is my conclusion when it comes to this. >> mike, is another little conclusion to draw from this perhaps that retail investors have a bigger impact on the market than maybe professional investors thought even as recently as two or three months ago? so they might well have seen that the sentiment gap was here but thought well that will only draw stocks for a couple more days it's clearly not the case.
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>> no, it's not the case i don't know if it's really true that retail incestors have more influence over they've been sitting it out as a group. i'm not talking about the kind of, you know, amateur speculators that are opening up accounts in huge numbers and trading small amounts in the riskier stocks which is really definitely going on. it's just not moving a lot of money around so i don't necessarily know who is driving it except that right now it seems as if the momentum players are willing to trust the upside to people who focus on the charge, fact that market is not given away and the leaders of this market have very, very strong uptrends and that seems to be how it's netting out at the moment >> okay. mike, thanks very much still to come, shares of draftkings taking a hit today. slew of baseball games have been postponed due to coronavirus concerns the nba has been a bright spot in the sports world. we'll discuss with kevin durant's agent rich kleiman after this break
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shares of draftkings lower this week as more baseball games have been postponed. six teams are being held out of action due to positive coronavirus tests. but the nba has had a better start so far last night the utah jazz, new orleans pelicans and l.a. lakers and clippers all played to empty stadiums at the espn "wide world of sports" complex at disney world as the league add here's to its coronavirus protocols joining us no you is rich kleiman, rich durant's business partner. it's good to have you again. first, what did you think of the restart? >> well, its good to be back, thank you. >> i was really impressed. i wasn't surprised i know how good leadership is in the nba. i know how good communication is between the players and union and league i think players are ready to do this it is a brenl of fresh air to watch it i was really impressed with the
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visuals. nfl is set to kick off in about a month, you think they're going to be able to pull it off without doing something like what the nba has done so far successfully like the bubble >> i don't know. i think it's all going to depend a bit on what we define as pulling it off finding a way to react to that in light of that is important. i don't know if baseball or football obviously baseball waement able to set up the bubble situation but for football, you know, i don't know if they can do what mls and nhl and nba are doing. i think when put together in the right way like adam has with the nba double, it can be
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productive it's still so new. all of this is so still new. i think football will have some research from the last two or three months and things change so quickly in our society now. i think the football season will start and will look different. once we're watching competition and a lot of people i spoke to felt this way in watching the nba last night you forget about all the other things i think the nfl will find a way to put the show on >> and overall, do you think the players are very positive, excited to get back to playing or are there some nerves, in sense that maybe we shouldn't be doing this and taking tests every single day when they're needed elsewhere or are people happy to get back to sflag. >> i think it's both people are happy to get back to playing. and i think that players and the nba in generaladapts
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i think the plat form is so powerful you saw it last night. being able to be there and still get your voice heard and make sure we don't forget what is important in our world and not taking our foot off the gas in terms of make change but being able to be back on the court you know, you're not going to eliminate all angst. there is too much in our society to begin with. but i think players in the ones i spoke to and the ones i checked in with, they're happy to be. there they're happy to be playing. >> i want to ask about the investment side. we saw the nasdaq surge on the back of the big tech earnings. kevin is known and so you are as pretty savvy tech investors. you were early in most mates what you are looking at right now? how you are taking advantage of
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this huge stay at home tech boom >> well, frankly, we haven't as much i think we've been active in terms of being good investors for the companies that were already in our portfolio it really is an aspect of our business i think the focus for us is on our foundation and our philanthropic efforts and media and the building of our sports business platform, the board room the major investment that came from kevin and our organization was the investment in the philadelphia union but, yeah, so for us, it hasn't been major focus but obviously, you know, now that our port groel is four or five years old and the companies have matured and seeing success like post mates and the other companies in our portfolio, it's an incredible feeling. i wouldn't necessarily say that we're savvy tech investors i think what we are is we have a great network. we ask great questions we're not afraid to ask questions. the we've been able to meet great founders and we're
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investing in early stages. so the kind of port of entry is more on the concept on the leadership team and the filter we get from having such great access to deals. it's usually coming through, you know, vcs and other investors going through the deep analysis process. with the he do our due diligence. but it's really believing in the could be september and leadership team. if it has some way of kind of being synergistic with what we're building at 35 ventures and that's been possible with a lot of our companies >>. >> keep us posted on in i deals. always great to check in with you. thank you. >> thanks, guys. we do have breaking news big headline going by. fits ratings revised the u.s. outlook to negative. it affirmed the aaa rating so it's now changing the outlook from stable to negative. it's warning on u.s. public finances and the absence of a credible fiscal consolidation plan issues that were highlighted in the last review meeting and high
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fiscal deficits and debt they hit a record low in the sign that the u.s. is still where it's at in terms of debt and with, you know, the current pandemic, the talk now is increasing even more debt in the form of stimulus because we have to fight this once in a lifetime sort of economic crisis. still, worth paying attention to >> right spotlighting the perceived challenge that's are there standard & poors downgraded the u.s. debt exactly nine years ago. 2011 to aa plus aaa. at that point, the ten year treasury yield is 2.25%. and now .5%. today it is push 1g 10%. however you want to measure it clearly, this is not something
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the credit ratings on is ocount like the united states is going to put up the market there is basically a kind of the rules are off sense about what the fiscal side of things can look like in this era right now. >> i mean it's interesting clearly, it does come on a week where we talked about all that goldman sachs note that was bullish on gold. and rale rais raised the question about the dollar's long term reserve status they didn't make any conclusion onz it so, of course, absolutely right. everyone wants u.s. debt and they always rate it higher than anyone and that will almost certainly always be the case but there are at least questions out there about aspects of the dollar given some of the factors. but again, i feel like the rating agencies as ever come after the fact as opposed to ahead of the fact and we've come off the back of a month where the dollar index lost, what, 4%? and i wonder whether this aaa but slight change in outlook is
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already beenpriced into what we've seen in the dollar >> the only thing i would also add, just add is that this could give some fuel to the politicians o ut there and there are some members of the republican party right now especially in the senate who are saying we don't need to add to the deficit right now. let's -- we already added trillions of dollars in the form of stimulus. and they're not exactly onboard with either the republican and certainly not the democratic plan to add $3 trillion more expect this to be a new political talking point probably that we're getting warned here on our outlook because the debt is so high >> yeah. we'll see if that changes the developments in the week ahead about stimulus plans but the market short term wants that stimulus over the line regardless of what it means long term for the debt. still ahead, the recent on line shopping boom could spell plans for one unicorn. august 12th, join the small business playbook and facebook's cheryl sanberg and margaret
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time now to get a cnbc update from sue herrera. >> here's what's happening at this hour. the death sentence has been tossed out for the man convicted of killing three and wounding hundreds in the 2013 boston marathon bombing a federal court of appeals ruled the trial judge did not allow enough questioning of the jurors to make sure they had not been affected by the enormous media
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coverage of that case. >> a report from a house committee accuses the trump administration of what it calls "incompetent negotiations" for vent lateors ventilators. the administration "squandered" more than half a billion dollars by paying inflated prices for the equipment. and inside the house chamber today, a moment of silence as the death count in the united states from the virus continues to grow after crossing 150,000 the world health organization reports it has received reports of more than 300,000 cases from around the globe over the last 24 hours that is the biggest one-day total so far you are up to date back to you. >> sue, thank you very much. have a lovely weekend. just want to bring you news on the capital one dividend. it was cut from 40 cents a share to 10 cents a share after the first stress tests six weeks or
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so ago they were one of the names on the list we knew would have to do this at some point. a question of when not if. and by how much. the answer is from 40 cents to 10 cents that was the intraday move down 1.25%, rather in the after hours move fwhut but this is one of the companies ut against it in terms of maintaining the dividend so we were expecting a dividend cut of sorts there it is. 40 cents to 10 cents >> yeah. down about 1.25% after hours still to come, what geopolitical headwinds despite issueseten e s.ndhina, one part of the market is seeing a big spike from overseas. we'll explain.
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leslie picker has the story for us. >> that's right. 21 chinese companies have gone public in the u.s. this year that's nearly double the number we saw officer the same period last year and represents 15% of the total ipos in the u.s., the highest proportion in a decade that's according to data by deallogic. sources say investors in chinese companies are ignoring some of the geopolitical headwinds why? well, the u.s. market is seen as the ideal destination for growth companies because investors are willing to fork up capital to pay up for them and these chinese growth companies need that capital to be sure, some of the larger potential chinese listings in the pipeline are likely to take place closer to their home bases. sources say there is on going dialogue around financial to pursue ipo and ipo in asia but no plans have been made final yet. guys >> interesting trend leslie, thank you. don't miss leslie tonight. she's hosting cnbc's special program "summer school" on cnbc from 6:00 to 7:00 p.m. eastern
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time with josh brown looking forward to that we have a news alert now on nba ratings. we have more julia? >> well, sara, huge demand for live sports and huge demand for nba. the restart doubleheader averaging 3.4 million viewers. that is more than double the regular season audience. the clippers-lakers peaked with an average of 4.1 million viewers. and tnt's inside the nba delivers the best viewership since opening week in 2018 bleacher report also watch there. highest traffic day since april with more than ten million cross platform engagements so really speaking to demand for the restart of live sports guys, back to you. >> wow julia, thank you up next, saving salons the coronavirus taking its toll on salon owners around the country and billionaire john paul degoria is stepping up to help them cope he joins us next the volatility. the ambiguity. this moment calls for more.
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expected to get hit hard by the pandemic, behuind the chair says it anticipated 40% of salons go out of business because of the coronavirus it's salons with free hair color, free education and support. john paul, co-founder of john paul mitchell systems joins us with more on this. good afternoon to you. are you seeing similar themes that data i just mentioned to suggest -- we saw it also in p&g numbers, grooming demand is clearly down. >> of course you would see that because the
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salons closed. however, we are not going to let it hit 40% of the salons closing. we wont let that happen. paul mitchell salon main thing is to keep salons going and that's when we came out with the stimulus package, so many salons were closed. they couldn't do business. well, when you're closed not doing business you don't have inventory or money so what we wanted to do is say this we may the only company in the world that's only in the professional salon industry forever but that's okay but we'll make sure they support us for 40 years, we support them now and put together a stimulus package. one would be me going on television or broadcast, wherever i can to tell people don't worry about the regrowth the partner knows what you look like anyways it's okay. don't go to the drugstore and pay twice to get it right and we did promotion and told salons
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that have been loyal customers of ours a year to probably 40 years that we're going to support you so we what we do is give you a stimulus package. when you open up, indoor or outdoor makes no difference. we give you free hair color, free shampoos, conditioners, enhance the education over the internet and unbelievable mitchell support free. we don't want anything in return as a way to say thank you for supporting us all these years. i started in the back of my car with $700. slept in the car far week and it was like the american dream for me these people supported us. i have an unbelievable life and let me create other businesses because of it. here's why that's important. when you're out of work your inventory you have to buy. a lot of people also out of work wanted the inventory now paid in cash for the money
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by us giving them opening inventory at no charge and then asking them by the way to pass on the stimulus, how do they pass on the stimulus they called their distributors or vendors like we did and tell them we won't go out of business our orders may be small or none but they're going to get bigger and know we will be supporting you when we come out of this together give them a positive mental attitude when people look forward it gets things better. >> no. it's a positive message, john. it is interesting idea the government tried to do something like this, too the ppp program for small business support to get people to keep their employees on their payroll. did you find that that was lacking at all or was this just sort of an added stimulus to do for the salons that use your products >> very good that's a great question. the stimulus package was lacking
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because we found on a national basis very few little salons were getting the money it went to bigger organizations so we went ahead and realized that we are able easily to be able to qualify for some of these programs but we are going to write a letter to the governors of every state saying we won't take the money and pay it out of our own pocket and we did of $6 million over 2 months. okay we are going to pay it ourselves, our own people and even though we qualify but the reason to do this is not to take government money to move the little salons to the front of the list they need it more than anybody else so between our stimulus package to get them going and begging our government to take these little guys on, we won't take the money we won't take it we qualify but not taking the money to give them a helping hand and if other businesses would do the same thing, boy can we turn things around. so yes that stimulus package definitely helps and not stopping there
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for our distributors with the same problem, the inventories really went down because people aren't ordering and said the same thing we'll give you -- longer to pay the bill give salons at the same time and give you special promotions of discounts so everybody makes money coming out of the bat so i would say seriously 40% will not close and make sure a good piece of them are open. >> that's a good news story. thank you for coming on to talk about. john paul, very cool idea and i agree. don't try coloring your own hair at home. >> america - >> mine turned orange in high school. >> peace, love and happiness to you guys. >> we are out of time. thank you, john paul we have another big week of earnings ahead we are going to hear from beyond meat, activision, etsy and disney julia boorstin has a report on disney. >> with no new movies in
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theaters and parks starting to reopen, this quarter will be a rough one for disney the revenue is xkted to decline 39% to $12.4 billion while expected to lose 64 cents per share, down from $1.35 gain a year ago and not reported a quarterly loss since 1984. what's the outlook for the rest of the year about park bookings or ad revenue and a lot of attention paid to disney's streaming service disney plus expected to be a rare bright spot for disney this quarter sara >> julia boorstin, thank you also beyonce's black is king is coming out on disney mike, a quick final thought as we wrap up the month and the week and look ahead to august next week. >> a the lot of these earnings will matter in the moment but negative real interest rates, record levels right now, seems
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to be and matdinimating what's . so i'm not sure if that changes getting into august. >> extraordinary up 7.4%. in the month but beaten by gold up 11%. crazy stuff. what a crazy week it's been. that does it for "closing bell." thank you for watching "fast money" starts right now. i'm melissa lee. the lineup is steve, brian, carter and tonight on "fast" follow the yellow brick road why there's a golden opportunity for investors in august. wait until you hear what's interested in buying tiktok app. counting down to disney. will this be a fairytale quarter? we'll bring you the trade. we start with apple surging into the close to end the day up more than 10%. that is yet another all-time high and its best day since pld-march.
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