mean for your money. two of the five major college sports conferences calling off their fall seasons like a dagger in the heart we'll tell you what comes next wednesday, august 12th, 2020, and "squawk box" begins right now. good morning and welcome to "squawk box" right here on cnbc. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen. becky is off today welcome back, joe. it's nice to see you hope you had a great time off. >> thank you thank you. >> i've been off the last two days we had a little bit of electricity problems, you may have heard about, on the east coast up here. we've been down for a couple of days very nice. >> you had the hurricane, right? >> in your own studio as well. you're looking good. >> yeah. >> well rested >> feel good

i got some sleep >> you didn't miss much this last week. kind of nothing happened not really actually. >> what week -- >> so much happened. >> what week are we in it's going to be 52 for 52 at the end of 2020 in terms of crazy weeks. >> that's true. >> s&p was almost closing at a high i'm faking now like you. i'm not in new york city do you like my backdrop? what do you think of it? >> that's what i'm saying. you look great you look great you look fabulous. >> okay. is this -- are you old enough to remember huntly and brinkley what are we? what are we trying to pass our self off as here what do you think? chancellor and -- >> tv people we're probably trying -- >> all right >> who knows who knows. let me tell everybody about the craziness of what happened in yesterday's market because the

swings were wild stocks were up, as joe was mentioni mentioning, we flirted with the height of it most of the day but then turned late lower -- late -- we closed lower later in the day. at one point we should tell you the s&p 500 was within 1/2 a percent from the interday high and ended lower by .8 of a percent. the other wild swings, tesla announces the five-for-one stock split and the value of the company goes up by $16 billion in the matter of minutes do people not understand that when there's a stock split it doesn't do anything to the underlying business at all anyway, u.s. equity futures, take a look at where we stand today. does look like we're going to open up higher and we'll see where we end the day dow up 266 points higher nasdaq up 133 and s&p up 23 points higher. treasury yields, let's show you

where it stands right now. on the 10-year note, it's at .673. we did back up a little bit but not much joe? >> it's always been that way, it seems like, andrew, in terms of splits i mean, it does allow smaller investors to get in. used to be important if you bought 100 shares, round lot. >> totally >> tough now even for berkshire hathaway. >> in this day and age of robinhood where they're selling you shares of shares >> right right. >> i would have thought the whole idea of stock splits didn't matter. i can understand why it would go up a little bit. $16 billion worth of market value. in this market it's 6 or 7% it briefly went up. where is it now? up 5.5%. >> then the other reverse splits, you see the same thing

happen every time you watch a reverse split happen, they always go down afterwards. people get a chance to go in and sell it. if it's a $3 stock, you get to go in and sell it. reverse 10 to 1. then it's 16 before you look around you know what, andrew, this delay is just a killer, you know what i mean? we're going to be talking over each other, more than we normally do. i guess we just need to -- should i say out, stop, or something? how do you think we should handle this? what do you think we should do supposedly howard stern had a way that they never talk over each other do you have any ideas for this what are we going to do? >> come up with a safe word. what's our safe word >> let's make it a clean one just -- you know look at you. >> what's your term? >> is that syncoro this morning? what was that -- what was that other stuff you had?

>> this is coffey. >> oh, okay. that's the other one that's what it's called. this happened yesterday, i was watching political story of the morning democratic presidential hopeful joe biden picking kamala harris as his running mate fulfilling his pledge to select a female vp candidate and making her the first black woman ever to appear on a major party ticket. in the announcement biden said he was proud of harris's record as california's attorney general when she, in his words, took on the big banks, lifted up working people and protected women and kids from abuse. biden and harris will make a speaking appearance in delaware this afternoon joe's going to be out and about. so that will be something to tune in for. and the moment that sports fans feared arrived yesterday. i can tell you this. i kind of get a sick feeling because you look forward to things like this

two of the power five college athletic conferences announce that they've postponed fall sports the big ten and the pac-12 said they would consider playing fall sports in the spring that's like an obvious jie moron. it is. them ohio state, michigan. becky's not here i'm going to throw in rutgers kind of as -- tongue in cheek, powerhouse teams and oregon. as of yesterday. the other three major conferences were moving forward with plans to play a reduced slate of football games. this means the college basketball season will be pushed back i've seen cases made, i'm sure we disagree on this, i've seen cases made the lsu coach and lou holtz and others, they tested a

lot of notre dame players, they got 1/3 of 1% or something there are people that say in the program they can -- these kids will be, you know, around. not in the program, they're going to be out and about. >> right. >> we know what kids like to do in college. >> yeah. >> i don't know if it really -- and then there's so much money involved that goes to good use at a lot of colleges, not just for the football program but for other programs then my own selfish, you know, reasons for just -- i mean, we miss it. i don't know how it's going to work i think the sec is still going to play, the acc, there's still going to be -- it's so weird >> right. >> the cardinals when do the cardinals finish playing all these games? seven inning games yeah >> we may not be on the other side of this i'm not sure -- i'm not actually sure what the answer is. we had the president of cornell

on and a couple other university presence allowing them to test might be better. i don't know either it's going to work or it's going to be the marlins, right? i don't know >> right i loved her. i loved her when she was on. she was the best thing to come out of cornell ever. i mean, you know, in terms of the management types and stuff. >> yeah. >> not just in terms of graduates. no, but i thought she was great. i thought she was great. a kid's got to go to school, andrew i'm telling ya, if they're stuck at home left to their own devices, i mean, they need to socialize. i'm feeling -- i've got grogan here he's no mack his haircut is even funkier -- i can't get anyone to take a shot at you. >> hold on hold on. you have a whole -- you have a whole staff, is that what you're saying, today? you have a whole team?

>> just today. >> all the acoutrements? >> just today. makeup, hair, catering >> right >> no, just today. >> security? i hope you have security all the paparazzi. >> you know gunther and freddy if you want to see security -- they don't like when the camera guys come. they take their -- you know, take their life into their hands. anyway, maybe we all can get this russian vaccine are you ready to sign up for that, sorkin let's try it. >> the market moved on it. >> let's try it. >> we'll talk about that. >> i know. i know we'll talk about all of this in just a moment. the vp pick, what's happening with covid everything else. dr. scott gottleib is going to join us right after the break to continue that conversation he had with becky about russia's claims of a vaccine. the latest case numbers in the u.s. the plans for opening schools in the fall as joe and i were just talking about. as we head to a break, check out

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seven day average dropped by the 30%. some testing centers were disrupted by hurricane isaias. did you ever get that, sorkin, isaias looks like isaiah. >> i made a mess of it every time >> the current hurricane you know what, we need to call hurricanes something or else you say, the one from february -- no, it wouldn't be february. no, the one from august of 2011. you really do need to -- it's like -- i figured it's like a band almost like a rock band. if you don't have a -- what if you just named the four people in the band? you'd never get anything i don't know branding it's branding. like andrew ross sorkin. >> i hated this one. this one, we had our electricity

out for a week, joe, because of this this storm. >> i know. >> a week. it moved past -- >> i got it back yesterday >> it moved past where i was we were worried. you never know with these things then it moved right up and then i think it was headed for north carolina and then i heard what happened here -- >> right. >> -- and the cleanup that had to be done it was headed right for this part of the east coast new jersey and everything else new zealand, andrew, has delayed its general election process after the country reported an outbreak yesterday after 102 days without any local transmission the prime minister said she was hoping parliamentary steps that would have led to an election said it's single digits. under 10 officials are investigating the possibility that the cases were

imported by freight. we've had this discussion before about whether salmon or -- we've had weird -- i don't know what to believe anymore, andrew i don't know -- i don't know what -- i know that social distancing and people that seem to be -- you know, i have no problem with masks, social distancing i don't know about wiping down the supermarket stuff anymore. i'm still doing it, but could it be on there? do you know? >> i don't know. this whole freight idea doesn't make sense the idea after a couple hours it's supposed to dissipate off of actually a tactile thing makes no sense to me, that that's the reason. i always had wondered the entire time that new zealand had these great numbers whether was that a function that they had missed a couple tests are people not hiding in the shadows but how does this really happen then for it to emerge again given that they have been on this lockdown, how does it happen could it really be imported that

way? that's what china said with the salmon you're right we have a doctor in the house who may be able to shed some light on it. we should also tell you before we talk to him, moderna shares are soaring this morning after president trump announced this at a news conference yesterday >> this evening i'm pleased to announce that we have reached an agreement with moderna to manufacture and deliver 100 million doses of their coronavirus vaccine candidate. the federal government will own these vaccine doses. we're buying them. recently we also secured partnerships with jonssh johnso& johnson as well as sanofi and gsx to support the large scale manufacturing of their vaccines. doing very well on those vaccines tremendous promise in every single one of them, and we have many of them they're years ahead of schedule.

>> moderna said the deal is worth $1.53 billion. will give the government the option to purchase up to 400 million additional doses joining us to talk about that and so much more, dr. scott gottleib a cnbc contributor it's great to see you, doctor. thanks for joining us. joe and i have not had the opportunity to talk to you since we heard about president putin's vaccine. give us the latest on that and the market, as you saw, moved at least in the morning on that news do you have any more confidence than you did yesterday morning about it >> well, look, i think the vaccine's in the equivalent of what we would call a phase 1 study. it looks like it's less than format

there is some complexity to this vaccine. there are two different adeno complexes. this is the platform being used by johnson & johnson, as stra zen anything ka and merck. and there's a lot of complexity to it. if you use a viral vector that isn't attenuated enough that the body recognizes it's a virus that it's seen before, the body can literally attack the vaccine and render it largely ineffective. that's what's happening with the chinese vaccine. they use a common virus that a lot of people have been infected with it before a lot of people who have seen that have -- whether it's effective, safe. i don't think it's ready for primetime. it's not ready to be put in thousands of patients outside of

a carefully controlled clinical trial. we're a lot further ahead. we have vaccines in phase 3 studies that have probably already been dosed in thousands of patients. this vaccine is basically leading the equivalent of a phase 1 study right now and what they're calling the approval we would call a big phase 3 study >> one of the things we're hearing is some of the people that are getting access to this vaccine are not just people who either have it or need it in this -- in the moment but senior officials, if you will, and other elites in the country are taking this. by the way, also told that there may be a booster involved in it. how do you think about that? >> well, we wouldn't -- that wouldn't fly here. there are strict regulations around who can get access to an experimental product the adeno viral products require

a second dose. it doesn't surprise me this might also require a second dose part of the reporting was they were going to make this available under what they're calling the approval to certain higher risk individuals like front line responders. that's something that you could potentially see the united states do once we have more data around large phase 3 trials. there might be early authorization if there's an indication that they're safe and effective for certain higher risk groups. if we did that and issue an emergency use authorization, that would, again, be in the context of some kind of data collection probably a large registry where you would make it available to a higher risk group to provide some benefit you would still be collecting information. typically when you have a vaccine trial in the united states, what you do is you have a component of the trial that's a randomized placebo control

trial where you have an active control. that's what's underway with the 30,000 patient trials. alongside that you might have an open registry where you give the vaccine to tens of thousands more people not in an oversized data sense get more safety data we didn't do that here we're just doing the ram come toized portion if they were made available earlier, it's possible they could be made available under an emergency use authorization. we have more data showing they're safe and effective in a large registry to hopefully provide a treatment benefit. >> scott, i don't want to get too in the weeds here. adeno virus is a dna virus, is it not >> no, it's a viral vector being used to deliver the gene sequence that codes -- >> i understand that but the adeno virus itself, are

they putting a little stretch of the coronavirus spike protein nucleic acids into the adeno virus and then it's expressed once it goes in and is that how it's working >> yes the dna virus is like injecting the naked dna similar to an rna virus. there's a couple of dna viruses in development but they're early stage. >> no, i know. you would have to somehow -- since coronavirus is a -- is an mrna virus, i'm wondering they must have had to reverse engineer it. it just sounds dangerous to me that you don't know exactly what you' you've spliced into it what's the big down side to what could happen if the vaccine itself is attacked by the immune system, that's one thing could it be -- could you have a hyper immune system from this if

it -- and cause your own si cytokine storm or could it somehow go into the actual dna of a patient and, you know, cause some kind of problem there? because i'd rather just have a little stretch messenger rna like the moderna. >> here you could have gotten the epitope wrong. that will elicit some of the things we're seeing with coronavirus. you have to make the viral vector non-replicating if you got that wrong, you have a replicating viral vector it's possible you could actually make people sick with the viral vector now presumably they're using adeno virus that wouldn't make people very sick, but anything if you give it in a high enough

dose. >> talk about russia here. i figure, you know, it just -- you know, don't watch that will smith movie, "i am legend. should we be -- are football players safer to be in the program? are they safer not being -- do you agree with the pac-12 and the big ten at this point or it's just a gray area? >> oh, i think it's a gray -- i think it's hard to say whether people are safer there because we conduct other tests clejts are getting people on campus and creating a bubble i think there was an opportunity to do that here. obviously a sports team and the locker room, there's an environment where you could have large outbreaks, people are in close proximity.

you can test people regularly and you try to get compliance around choels on them. i think it was possible it restart the teams. in doing that, you're going to be diverting a lot of resources, testing resources away from a lot of uses into football and that's where you have to make a judgment and say i think it's an appropriate thing to do. from a society standpoint it's necessary to start these games you could make that argument i wouldn't second guess the decision they made i think there was a chance to do this reasonably safely. >> doctor, two other real quick questions. one, new zealand, joe and i were just talking about it. their numbers have been so good for what seemed like so long and then all of a sudden now it appears that there's a hot spot of a family. the country making some kind of claim that it might have come from freight as opposed to, you

know, community transmission maybe it's community transmission that's an argument china made around salmon being imported does that make sense to you? >> i find it hard to believe with an infectious disease like this, it's not hard to get it imported into a country. it's possible it was circulating at a very low level and now it's being manifest but you could have a change of propagation that are mild, asymptomatic before you start to discover symptomatic cases. i find it hard to believe that it came in on some inanimate object or some kind of food source >> final question for you. you've seen debates around the country with teacher's unions right now about whether they should go back or whether they shouldn't. there's been a lot of push back. if you were negotiating with

teachers unions, what would you be telling snem even if you were advising them. >> well, i think the teachers have reasonable concerns about their own safety and they have reasonable concerns around their students' safety i'd be trying to provide things that have safety in the classroom. make sure teachers have proper protective equipment give some optionality. if you are with a school that has distance learning. if teachers feel they're high jer risk we need to try to open the schools, but we can do it by retrofitting hvac systems in the schools, having masking yiermts, trying to move classes outdoors when we can when the weather is still conducive to that.

dedense si fi dedensifying it and don't allow the entire school population to mix. there's a lot we can do. >> we have to run. if you're a betting man, there are some schools hoping to be in person this fall do they make it through the whole year not with just a day or two out, i can see that happening do you see long stretches where schools are going to have to close down again >> i would -- i would guess that they will. i think they could get pretty far into the school year, but i think as we get into the winter we'll have more challenges before we get onto the other side of it we have another four, five, six months to go this is going to be a 2020 event. hopefully once we get into 2021 we start to get it behind us. >> i was worried you were going to say that. dr. scott gottleib, always a privilege to spend time with you. coming up, fallout from the pandemic on the high end auto

market robert frank, one of those guys with two first names joins us with a special report. and we're watching the shares of boeing this morning. the company logged 43 order cancellations for 737 max planes net orders, 836 planes dow futures up nearly 300 points right now. we will be right back.

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it's the biggest week of the year for classic cars. this year the monterey auction will be virtual. i don't remember i think, robert, did you used to go out there this hits home this hits home probably for you. a nicejunket to monterey is what the doctor ordered occasionally, right? >> reporter: yeah. you and i both love pebble beach. this year it's he not going to happen classic car sales topping $700 million so far that's down only 8% from last

year prices also holding up well. this usually as you said is the biggest week for collectible cars usually held in monterey but this year it will be entirely online. gooding and company just sold this 1966 ferrari for just over $3 million that became the most expensive car ever sold online now they also sold five cars for over a million they proved that collectors will pay seven figures for cars that they haven't seen in person or driven or inspected. sotheby's could set a new record with the pro drive race car estimated at between 3.8 and 4.8 million. also headed to the virtual auction block is a 2014 pagani estimated at nearly $2 million classic cars like a lot of other hard assets have benefitted from low interest rates and all of

this liquidity we're seeing in the system right now plus, they are a good socially distanced hobby. online sales have also brought in a new wave of younger millennial collectors. rm saying the average buyer age has fallen by over a decade just in the past few months millennials are driving up costs of 1990s cars, old broncos and they love vans, the van life back to you. >> oh, boy pre-owned, these things. >> reporter: pre-owned. >> you'd at least get a new one. how are other collectible markets? art. money's got to go somewhere. got to be doing well >> reporter: you're absolutely right. money has to go somewhere. you look at the art market they wrapped up an incredible first half sotheby's could be equal to or even above last year in terms of

revenues everyone was surprised that people are willing to pay seven figures whether it's a 30 or -- $30 million for a painting, $3 million for a car. people thought you wouldn't do this online without seeing the stuff in person especially for cars where condition is so important. most of the buyers buying the cars haven't ever seen them before and that's the big surprise that's what's going to change this industry permanently after covid where it's a lot less costly to sell this stuff online having to hold a big event and a big physical auction i think there's going to be lasting changes from all of this, even once we get a vaccine. >> i mean, robert, we've got to go you're not telling me that one of those -- one of those like hippie vw -- if it's a mint vw van -- >> $200,000. $200,000 for the top vw vans

right now. >> you're kidding me >> i'm not kidding you. >> with the bong i thought you were kidding thanks, robert frank we'll -- that's crazy. andrew >> okay. when we come back, a lot more on "squawk box. stock futures are sharply higher this morning we'll talk strategy next, and as we head to a break, a look at yesterday's s&p 500 winners and losers as business moves forward, we're all changing the way things get done. like how we redefine collaboration... how we come up with new ways to serve our customers... and deliver our products.

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good morning u.s. equity futures at this hour, looks like a carbon copy of what we were looking at yesterday until the end of the session when we lost all the gains. and, actually, broke a winning streak but this has been the default trade for quite a while. i forget how many days in a row the s&p had traded higher before yesterday. up 290 now on the dow. the nasdaq sharply higher and the s&p up 29 points tech stocks extending their slide in yesterday's session joining us to discuss the move lower and the rotation that appears to be a nascent rotation taking place in the market joanne feeney, partner and portfolio manager at advisor's capital management and greg branch partner at 1847

financial. joanne, i said nascent what have we seen recently in the markets? is it broadened? does that make it more sound and feel a little bit less stretched if we see some rotation in some of the laggards? are we seeing that >> yeah, good morning, joe good to be with you. you know, we saw this rotation once before in early june after covid cases declined the market really took off and we saw that spread to other sectors beyond the big tech names. you know, we're seeing some of this here. i think investors are encouraged by the stimulus talks, by the decline in covid cases but as you can see, there's still a lot of noise in the market the selloff at the end of the day yesterday, particularly in tech names, i think, reflects that broader concern don't forget the whole market

has not really gone up as much as that headline number would suggest. high dividend stocks, for example, are down 25%. and when we talked to advisers their clients are looking for not just growth but some of them want to lock in some yields so they can live off that in their retirement we like to look for stock vector can reverse very quickly broadcon gives us a yield. it may reverse like we had in june what we want to do instead is find the names that will deliver both secular growth, exposed to a lot of big trends going on like the move to online, like the streaming and potentially lock in yield at the same time from a company like broadcom.

>> all right so, greg, just overall where is the market -- the state of the market at this point if we do see some of the laggards, i don't know, the most worrisome sectors that haven't participated instead of the stay-at-home sectors if they start catching up does that mean it's broadening and this is a real advance that we're seeing or do we still worry about this being fed orchestrated and a huge air pocket under the averages? >> right so to some extent we've actually seen this movie before in 2010 to 2012 you saw tech under perform as other sectors in the economy started to recover and bounce off the bottom and demonstrate hyper earnings growth. and i think we're setting up for the same thing again we talked about this four or five weeks ago when we were noting the overall disparate of

value and growth at near historic levels. joanne's right there have been squiglegles in between. so the unique things that you'll have as we get past the election is you'll have sectors poised for triple earnings growth so when we look at 2021 and overall the whole investmentcommunity will start to do that after the election, you have consumer discretionaries expected to grow at 100%. you have financials expected to grow at 50% trading at half their normal average 1.1 times price to book. you'll have utilities growing at 100% and utilities growing at 600% i think we're setting up for something we saw similar to 2010, 2012, the s&p 500 is going to grow at 35% versus the tech names growing at 15%

investors have started to wonder will those names have the growth to support the outsized multiples. >> we've got to go, but i just -- so i guess we really can't get into this so i'm not even going to go there, but i was just trying to figure out whether the market is comfortable with a biden/harris possible presidency or whether we're still going to know what's going to happen after labor day? i see both premises posited. we can't talk. we've got to go. throw that out there nor nefor t time thank you both andrew >> we will continue that conversation, i imagine, maybe every day and every minute and every hour from now until november. coming up though in the meantime, the latest on president trump's potential wechat ban and how restricting the popular chinese app could

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welcome back to "squawk box" last week the president signed the executive order that would ban wechat from the united states the app is extremely popular in china and for american companies that do business in china. we have a closer look.

>> reporter: thanks so much, andrew chinese media has been running poll asking if the ban is imposed would you choose your apple iphone or wechat so far 94% said they would choose wechat because it's so essential to their daily lives one business executive compared to it me saying that it was like water or electricity if you're living in china it's almost impossible to survive without wechat it's a super app people use it to pay for their taxi tried work and their "morning cup" of coffee. i can also sort all my utility bills, and text my friend about my purchase. i can use wechat to help during the pandemic he says i can't going. wechat has an estimated 700 million users in china so it's important for any business here too.

american fast food chain shake shack opened up their franchise. not only do companies advertise directly to customers on the app they open stores marketing firm ogleby estimate 40% of sales go through wechat big reason why u.s. companies fear a wechat ban could put them at a serious disadvantage in china against their competitors despite privacy concerns and, of course, there are privacy concerns politically sensitive content is monitored on the platform as well as all platforms in china when i speak to businesses here, andrew, most people say there's a certain assumption that whatever they write is not private. and they say that's not necessarily loin for wechat but for pretty much every platform that they use. at the same time it's something that they would do watch but not something that they think should be a hindrance to their businesses here.

>> okay. thank you for that report. we will continue this conversation right now keith crock, state department under secretary for economic growth and former ceo at docusign trying to find out is there a middle ground here is there a way to allow effectively a wechat on the platform and by the way is there a way to allow to it continue on iphones in china but not necessarily iphones in the united states? is there a way to lead tthread e needle >> that's up to the china government as you know, chinese has a national intelligence act that requires any company state-owned or otherwise or any chinese citizen to turn over information proprietary property or data upon request to the chinese communist party or the government or actually the pla

or suffer the consequences so this is really a big issue. and it's been out there for a longtime and it's about more than just two companies. secretary pompeo announced the expansion of the clean network last wednesday, a day later you saw the president write the executive order for tik tok and wechat and what this really is, it's comprehensive approach to address the issues with the long term threats in terms of data privacy, security, human rights and trust worthy collaboration >> in terms of economic, the economic impact some might say economic damage i'm thinking of the apples and the like. as i talk to business people in the u.p.s. that do business with people in china look wechat is water. we need it without it we can't communicate

with them. is the view that china will effectively change the app it's using, use cleaner versions to communicate with american. does it put american business at a disadvantage and is that a worthy -- is that a worthy impact >> well, you know, i think one of the big things, as you know i've spent 30 years in silicone valley building companies and one of the things that i say to my fellow ceos out there, you know, we always say corporate responsibility, social responsibility it's also national security too. and, you know, what china has done is they created a surveillance state in the country of china huawei is the back bone. it's appendages are these apps that's why secretary pompeo announced the clean app, clean store with this, clean cable,

underwater cable, clean cloud and clean carrier. so, you know, these are the issues that we're facing and now what china is doing with that surveillance state is they are extending the china one way fire wall where all the data can come in but none can come out and all the propaganda can come out but the truth can't come in. so this is a comprehensive enduring strategy that's backed by a coalition of partners all the clean network there's over 30 countries right now, 40 telcos, oracle and so this is a big effort and it's long overdue. you know, i see the intellectual property theft out in silicone valley but i'm a businessman running economic diplomacy for the united states and i'll tell you what what i've seen with the chinese communist party has done is beyond my imagination.

>> keith, it's a longer conversation we would love to have you back to continue it i would understand long term what you think will happen with the relationship with china and the moves that the u.s. are making right now will for the hand of china or will china force our hand when we do that conversation when you come back we appreciate you joining us this morning, keith very, very much. thanks >> thanks so much, joe and andrew appreciate it. joe >> you're very welcome thank you for including me coming up check out the stock futures update this morning after yesterday's late slide andrew, did you hear me say like joking i said what app because i said wechat. you understood >> i caught it >> everybody is -- >> i know you. i know you >> they are all looking for a ron burgundy they want a ron burgundy so badly. i'll stop doing it

everybody else will not get it, anyway anyway, we're on record watch for the s&p. check out the levels

the recent momentum. futures pointing right now to a

higher open. presidential candidate joe biden tapping senator kamala harris as his running mate we'll break down what it means for economicpolicy and your money. plus president of university of miami on re-opening america's schools and the future of college sports as the second hour of "squawk box" begins right now. good morning and welce back to box here on cnbc i'm joe kernen along with andrew ross sorkin. becky is off until august. you were off a couple of days, sorkin probably going to be off again at some point. meanwhile u.s. equity futures getting back what we lost towards the close yesterday and we're on record watch again this morning for the

s&p 500. easy to say, just hard to believe, isn't it? we're about 52 points away from the record close, which was on february 19th. you don't feel guilty, sorkin, i mean taking time off when you basically have the day off anyway, you come in -- we sit here for a couple of hours and then it's like 9:00 and we're home should we feel bad like that it's kind of like a vacation, is it not >> you know what, joe, this job has never felt like a job. right? so what am i supposed to say i feel we never worked a day in our lives, joe, it's that much fun. by the way, i actually believe that it's so much fun i never worked a day in my life >> here's what i'll say. after years and years of getting up at quarter to 4:00 i count that first like between quarter to 4:00 when the show starts at 6:00 i actually count that as

four hours because it's so -- it's just hard to go -- >> i'm with you. >> hard to get up. you know it's dark and cold and raining sometimes and it's like, so, you know, it's a great situation and i love it, but i count that as, i don't think it's like we're mailing it in. anyway breaking news, i understand >> we do have some breaking news on the housing market. want to get over to diana oleck who has the latest report on mortgage applications this morning. diana? >> reporter: a possible turn in the story here mortgage applications jumped nearly 7% last week as interest rates dropped again but rates may now be creeping up again the average on the 30 year fixed, loans fell to 3.06% last week from 3.14% the previous week both of those were record loss with loans for 20% down. every type set a record. 30 year, 15 year, even jumbos and that caused refi

applications to jump 9% for week approximately while they were 47% higher than a year ago that's the smallest annual gain we've seen in a longtime mortgage applications to buy a home rose 2% for the week. still a strong 22% higher than the same week one year ago by the beginning of this week rates began to rise and yesterday they rose sharply hitting the highest level in two weeks because of a sell off in the bond market that then leveled off. still there has been a lot of pressure for rates to move higher and given how hot home prices are right now due to tight supply higher rates could hurt the one sector of the economy that's doing so well right now, joe >> yep interesting, diana we'll see. nothing lasts forever, right it's crazy as far as just overall, diana, what will eventually decide where we go, supply or demand

because is anything -- isn't there a shortage right now and people want to move out of cities >> supply. it's a huge supply issue as soon as we get more supply in the market whether home builders or sellers that when you'll see prices ease up right now there's so little supply, so much demand, prices going higher and if you see mortgage rates go higher that will be a problem. >> okay. all right, diana, thank you. we appreciate it let's take a look what else is moving this morning. we're joined by dom chu. hot weather doesn't keep you off the links. >> it doesn't. but what does is a 3-year-old and 1-month-old keeping you off the links. i want to say one thing to you and andrew i never worked a day in my life either tesla. speaking of headliners stock is up 6% pre-market.

90,000 shares of volume after the electric carmaker announced a five for one stock split the move will increase the number of shares outstanding but make each of those shares worth unfifth what they are now. cheaper stock make it more easily tradeable by retail investors. that's the bullish tone. that split will be effective august 31st. also big headliner, shares of moderna which are up nearly 10% pre-market, 230,000 shares of volume president trump announcing that the u.s. government has reached a deal to buy 100 million doses of moderna experimental covid-19 vaccine. the deal is worth around $1.5 billion and the government has the option to buy another up to 400 million more doses so those shares up 11.5% right now. shares of deere which are down on thinner volume pre-matter biggest maker of farm equipment

gets downgraded from a hold to buy citing the big upside move in the shares and the stretch valuation. by the way just for context those shares are now up 82%, andrew just since the pandemic lows reached back in march record highs for the market just in sight and deere shares massively higher i'll send things back to you >> getting so close. we have to get out our rally caps some news just out from drugmaker bristol-myers. investing $300 million to address health inequity. one of the primary uses is to train clinical trial researchers from diverse background and plaejing to reach gender parity at the executive level plans to do that by 2022 and to double executive representation from black and latino employees, joe. >> yep all right. andrew, big reversal for big

tech yesterday after being on a tear yesterday apple, facebook and microsoft are among the tech names losing ground as rotation trade seems to be gaining some momentum. we talked about this earlier joining us now is director of portfolio strategy and ceo and managing partner of blueprint capital advisors it's great to see you, meghan. i think we referenced some of your comments earlier in the last market discussion and we're -- they are noteworthy but what can they tell us about the underlying strength of the move that we've seen. is this a positive when we see it broaden out a little bit or shift to different areas, or is it sort of the last thing that happens before there's a dave reckoning? >> i think if you look historically at how we come out of bear markets or recessions

you tend to see some of those small caps, industrial type names that rally out of the recession. but what we've seen here because this has been such a unique recession is that we're getting those high flying tech names and those high flying tech names have benefitted from the fact that we have been in this stay-at-home, work at home and now learn at home mentality so technology is what we've been using. now that we're seeing some re-openings, much better news from the coronavirus front, from the health element, we're starting to see some shift you're really seeing that if you just look at those high flying tech names that we've mentioned, you know, the top five names in the s&p 500 are up over 30% year-to-date but the bottom five names in the s&p 500 are down more than 50% which is look at the last week alone, just the last week alone you're seeing those bottom five companies they've rallied

significantly. they are up over 8% but actually those top five names now are down for the week. so this is more a breath in the market this is what you tend to see as we move beyond the recession and we get into that economic recovery >> jacob, we always hear the stock market can look out into the future, discount nine months in advance but then we hear it's not going focus on the election until after labor day. then we hear well it's trading on whether we get another stimulus package, whether we don't get another stimulus package. what's really the key drivers right now, in your view, of the daily movement we're seeing in the s&p? >> typically this time of the year, you know, earnings would be driving the market higher or lower. and typically in this point in the election cycle, you know, we would typically see the markets trading range bound. we have no idea where this election is going to go and

which candidate is considered at this stage to be the odds on favorite or which one will be more palatable from a market perspective. but i think what we're seeing here is a continued effort on the part of the markets to try and hit, you know, its historical highs it's been nothing short of a v-shaped recovery and what's been driving that recovery, i think, will continue to drive these markets for the foreseeable future one, it's the coronavirus. what do the numbers look like. i think that more he recently, of course, over the last two weeks we've seen a 16% decrease in the number of case and 6% decrease in the number of deaths and so that's been very positive news the second factor that's driving the market is the stimulus package and the market seems to be pricing in endless fiscal stimulus the real question here is not whether we'll get a second stimulus package it's what will be in the package or as we always say the devil is in the details.

so, you know, we don't think that the election is really a factor at this stage and probably may not be even after the last vote is cast. >> meghan, can you give us your thoughts on that i look at it i know more simplistically to me it seems if it becomes clear that we're going, the republicans would lose the senate and the white house -- i don't know whether all the, everything is aligned for the stars aligned for the market to keep going higher. am i wrong >> no. i agree. i think the market can accept a biden presidency i think that can be factored in i think right now into the market what i don't think the market is factoring in is a full sweep that would entail some changes, some roll backs of what we've

had that have helped the economic recovery prior to the pandemic these would, i think, be a detriment i think to some corporate taxes and i don't think that market is pricing that in at all >> right and, you know, we hear -- we're not sure what to expect necessarily. we hear all moderate pragmatic moderate for both the presidential and vice presidential candidate but then we hear other things as well being pushed one way or another. i mean its hard to even make the case nowadays without push back that maybe there are negative things you can do to the economy and i still think that maybe there are. we'll see. meghan, thank you. jacob, thank you, we'll have you back and talk more about this. it's going to be after labor day, supposedly. i'll toss it over to you andrew. that's when we start to worry. still august we don't have to make any

decisions yet, sorkin, i guess >> no decisions yet. we'll see where this goes and i know we'll talk a lot about it but on the other side of this break, an inside look at facilities where regeneron is running two separate antibody trials one to treat the disease the other to see if drugs can be used to prevent it then tesla announcing that five for one stock split after the bell opened the door for smaller investors to be able to afford the stock which is up over 527% just over the past 52 weeks. that stock up 6% this morning. that's lose to $16 billion just in an afternoon. we'll diuss atscth move and so much more when stock returns good morning, blair. [ chuckles ] whoo. i'm gonna grow big and strong. yes, you are. i'm gonna get this place all clean. i'll give you a hand. and i'm gonna put lisa on crutches! wait, what?

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covid-19 vaccines get a lot of attention but drug companies including eli lily and regeneron are racing to provide an earlier option in vaccines or one in addition to them, meg terrell has this story >> reporter: 44-year-old jason barton just returned to jaez from a family trip when he got a pounding headache. testing revealed he and his whole family had the coronavirus. >> it was mostly just headaches, 24 hours a day for two weeks straight >> reporter: he entered a clinical trial of a new kind of

drug to treat covid-19 >> this is a class of drugs that works by giving people antibodies that will help fight the virus. >> reporter: the antibodies are derived from people who recovered from covid-19 and regeneron combined one ofs on antibodies it developed in its labs while the drugs are being tested to treat the disease a different kind of trial has started as well designed to see if they can prevent it in people who might have been exposed. >> there's a lot of reason, a lot of evidence to suggest that if you treat before infection for most of these diseases but include cog individual you can entirely prevent the infection >> reporter: april stewart enrolled in one of those trials after her son was diagnosed with covid-19 >> the whole thing is scary. i was thankful that nobody else in my household had come down with covid >> reporter: the prevention trials are being run in

partnership national institute of allergy and infectious diseases regeneron is enrolling house mates of people with covid-19 while eli lily will go to news homes that had outbreaks guys, jason the patient at the beginning said he felt party few days after enrolling in the trial and april told us she has not been diagnosed with covid-19 but, of course, neither knows they got the drug or placebo results are expected within months >> we've had wi-- we've seen it used for arthritis and things like that. has it been used to neutralize a pathogen has it worked to do that >> reporter: regeneron use this approach in ebola and its application with the fda for that drug is pending it was successful in trials in the field in saving lives of people with ebola. so this has worked before. and the hope is that, obviously,

it will work again for covid >> it should i mean we got the technology as you know so well the problems we were using mice so there was an immune reaction to the part of the antibody that was derived from mice but now we got fully humanized and i don't know why it wouldn't work what do they target? do they target the same spike protein or the whole virus >> reporter: they target the sanctify protein but do it in different ways regeneron is interesting because it's a cocktail of two different antibodies to try to keep it, you know, from any sort of viral mutants. these trials are desperately trying to enroll patients quickly so they get answers quickly. anybody who is eligible for either of these should critic. the other is that manufacturing

these is going to be the next big question we haven't seen investment from the u.s. government as much as for vaccines for antibodies and there's a big worry that we won't have enough. >> yep then you worry about, you know, whether you need a cellular response to knock it out clean instead of an antibody response which is what you're looking for with a lot of vaccines meg, thank you keep us informed like you do a lot more coming up on "squawk" in just a moment. elon musk, we got to talk about this guy the company announcing five for one stock split. doesn't change anything fundamentally about the business company is worth something like $15 billion more than it was just yesterday we'll see whether it means more volatility more people have a chance to own the stock. does that idea make sense any

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that was a 65% increase year-over-year welcome back to "squawk box" tesla announcing that five for one stock split took place after the bell on a big run up in those shares take a look what we're talking about. the move can open the doork at least the idea is to open the door for more retail investors if you believe that to get into stock. joining us now is tim higgins of the "wall street journal". tim, i'm baffled by the stock move i know these stocks move when there's a stock split. this is worth $15 billion more than yesterday which is crazy because nothing actually happened in the actual business between yesterday afternoon and this morning >> but the fundamentals are still the same but this is not a company based on fundamentals at this point.

ate narrative story, a growth story and elon musk is selling this idea of the future of transportation, the future of the world and if you're a retail investor that's pretty exciting. >> is this just the hand of robin hood and by the way, does it make sense any more in the day and age of robin hood because the whole part of the idea was to democraticize this so in. certain ways it doesn't matter whether the stock splits >> you bring up a good point some ways with the robin hood effect has signaled there's huge pent up appetite for tesla shares for people who couldn't afford that higher price it gets back to the foungd ever tesla. this was part of elon musk's vision when he took it public a decade ago he wanted the little guy in the company. in fact, set aside shares for early roadster customers because he believed they helped make the

company to the point and he wanted them to have some of the upside going forward his interest in small guy investors. >> tim, you've written to critical pieces in the past over the years about tesla. can you make the case, the bull case for tesla right now >> well, longtime auto observers, analyst, investors, they have to do very ambitious math to try to justify what the valuation is at this point i'm not going to weigh in either way but i will say at this point if you're trying to justify it it's not an auto company it's an energy company it's a company that will have robot taxis. it will have more than just revenue from selling cars. >> when you talk to professional investors, what's the distinction between the professional investor today and the retail investor? i under the retail investor, the professional investor believes ten years out this is the next

amazon do they believe they are riding a momentum wave being pushed by retail is it something else >> yeah. in some ways you almost -- you hear similar things here that fact that elon musk has gotten though point that four quarters of profitability as messy as they may have been suggest he can execute and if he can execute on this what can he do going forward, right? they look at a traditional auto maker and say well they haven't really done much, you know, in returns in the last few years, a generation, if you will. so why not bet on tesla at this point especially when you look at a market and say where else will you put money >> okay. tim higgs againins great to seeu when we return, we're going talking to about joe biden's vp pick and what it means for your money. we'll discuss that right after

the break. check out this morning's winners and losers on the s&p 500. we'll be right back after this

ticket is set. joe biden picking kamala harris as his running mate. eamon javers joins us now with more on that and the results of a new cnbc change research survey on the politics of voting in 2020. i look forward to talking to you about the way it played out

yesterday. i was watching the betting sites and everything else. tell us what you know and then we'll talk if you have some time >> reporter: kamala harris 55. democratic senator from california certainly expected pick but an interesting pick here because for joe biden kamala harris does not represent sort of the traditional progressive left she says she's not a democratic socialist making an explicit division between herself and the bernie sanders wing of the democratic party her signature economic proposals is a $6,000 tax credit for families making less than $100,000 a year. she says that will go a long way to addressing income in equality in this country and proposing eliminating tax cuts for corporations and top 1%. a lot to look for. as with all vice presidential picks their policies very quickly morph to be the president's policy kamala harris echoing joe biden very much on the campaign trail. now to this states of play poll looking at what to expect in

november look, nobody has ever conduct ad general election in a pandemic before but that's what's going to happen. what we're picking up is real softness in terms of the expectations about the mechanics of all this. confidence in mail in voting only 50% are confident their ballot will be counted and secure in a nation hostage system of governance depends on confidence in election tumultuohat 50-50 sn very confident most say they are more likely to vote by mail but 20% will vote in person before election day. that leaves 36% who say they will vote in person on election day. that gives you a sense of how complicated the vote count will be and how long it will take to get the results. finally will election day itself be safe? 63% of voters say yes it will but a large number 37% say they are not confident it will be safe

so a large number of americans, joe, don't have confidence election day will be safe. a large number plan on voting by mail and that gives you a sense of how complicated this can be on election night which people are thinking of as maybe election week this year, joe >> i remember election month with the hanging chads or longer >> reporter: yep >> i also saw it and my son who follows this so closely i always thought kamala harris i thought it was going to be her i have to tell you, i saw this predicted susan rice odds jump and i went and she's a pretty unbelievable resume and a record of working with joe biden in obama administration for a longtime and i thought, wow that would be a formidable pair. now she's never run for anything so i don't know, as far as

campaigning goes but stanford and rhodes scholar, pht, u.n. ambassador i looked at the background and thought it's going tougher, it would be tough for republicans to really question her capabilities i guess it would be difficult. i've told people, kamala harris has that "it" that charsma and a great campaigner i met her. very strange how i met her and she just really has that, i don't know she's just a very impressive person when you meet her this will be interesting obviously a long background as well but there's that san francisco politician too that she has to deal with. we're calling her a moderate pragmatist she moved left at times during the debates. >> reporter: there's some interesting waffles there particularly on the question of

medicare for all which kamala harris initially signaled that she did support but then said well maybe she doesn't support the taxes that underlie it she raised her hand on the debate stage if she favored the elimination of private united states and then later said she didn't understand the question so she's done some straddling on he some of these issues. she's somebody who has signaled, joe, she doesn't like these proposals that seek to reshape society broadly. she's looking she says for more practical, pragmatic solutions and that leads her towards sort of more narrow policy choices than some of the other candidate. you look at elizabeth warren or bernie sanders who have much more sweeping economic proposals out there and much more to the liking of the progressive left this is not somebody who is in that camp necessarily but look if you're looking for a contrast between what you're going to see from the trump campaign and from the biden campaign, kamala harris will talk about removing

the trump tax cuts that's going a question for business and economic minded voters >> yeah. the colbert thing i didn't under why that could be in play. i get it now when that moment with biden about the bussing and i was that little girl, that was a powerful moment, i thought, and now she's saying well it was just debate which makes me -- did you see the colbert piece. that was a debate. i under in debate and after debates everybody gets together but that was such a personal memory for her and everything else to just call it that was a debate tool i'm wondering if that becomes an issue. >> reporter: it does you look at what kamala harris said there and she was criticizing joe biden for saying he worked so well in the past effectively with segregationist

senators although he wasn't a segregationist himself and talked about bussing early in his career she said that was hurtful for her. the biden camp is spinning that this morning is by saying look he picked somebody who was very critical of him but he picked her because he knows she's going to be good for the ticket and good as vice president that's a sharp contrast they are saying between joe biden and donald trump who just isn't able to get over any insults or grievances and move on with thing. >> right you're right holds them forever thanks we got to go andrew >> we're going to continue that conversation and really try to under what it means for the market a senior fellow at the manhattan institute. curious what you think of the move and how you think it changes the outcome of the election one way or the other and the big issue, of course, is we focus on this network is therefore what it means to the economy and in the immediate term for the market.

>> i think it was definitely a predictable move i think joe biden is running on the, you know, predictability, more of the same and she definitely, wasn't a shocking move pretty much a centrist it seems markets are comfortable with it based on their implied opening right now. i don't think it's a surprise by any stretch. >> do you think -- i mean one of the things we've been trying to figure out whether markets are moving on any of this news whether investors don't really start focusing on the election or post-labor day moment in terms of how they are thinking about the economy. we have the overlay of covid and either a potential vaccine or not and what the future of all that looks like against the backdrop of this election and what the future of our democracy looks like in the next year or two and that has implications for tax policy and so much else. >> i mean markets are forward

looking. so i think to some degree they already priced in a possible biden presidency because they are thinking years out. i think markets would be moving very differently if it was a bernie sanders candidate already by now but i don't think they've already priced in a possible biden presidency and we won't see a big change if we see a lot of noise in the fall it won't be from election it will be development from the virus or any treatments or any vaccines or how infection rates go in the south and west >> one of the things that kamala harris suggested back when she was running against biden was she was an advocate for a trading tax. she wanted to tax all trades both stock trades and bond trades do you think that's something that would carry over in a biden administration >> i am not sure definitely has some interest of

finance. it's a pragmatic ticket. that's a major structural change to markets which i can't imagine they will make we'll expect higher corporate tax, perhaps higher income tax i think they will go more in that direction because they are pretty safe let's not rock the boat kind of ticket. >> let's ask you about that. do you think -- you're right it looks like that it looks like flat the outside but the democrats are clearly pulling more and more to the left and the question is whether you think this vp pick pulls you more in that direction or not or you think because she's been -- she's frankly been willing to be on lots of different sides on a lot of different issues maybe it doesn't move that way. >> i don't think so. when people say she's a pragmatist that's fair we saw even within the primary her coming out medicare for all. so i think these aren't particularly risk takers as candidates or risk takers as

leaders but a lot of it will depend how the senate does big democratic sweep they will feel okay there's more of a mandate to remake this economy but if the republicans hold on to the senate i don't think we can expect a lot of dramatic changes. >> okay. allison, appreciate your time and perspective this morning thanks >> thank you joe? >> thanks. coming up a check on what's moving this morning in the pre-market and bad news college football fans. the season at least for these two conferences moving closer to a near total shutdown after the big ten and pac-12 postpone play we'll speak to the president of university of miami about the future of college sports and re-opening of america's voters shares of boeing super the company logged 43 order cancelations for 737 max planes in july and no new orders for

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big ten and pac-12 announcing postponement of fall football first of the power five conferences to make that decision and could have enormous financial consequences joining us now to talk about that and the return of school to this fall, dr. julio frank, president of the university of miami. dr. frank, great to see you. do you think that this is the beginning of a broader move, doctor, or do you think that the conferences that have stated their intention to move forward and play, do you think that that is going to actually happen?

>> you know, we're in the middle of a pandemic. all of these decisions are very difficult. what we've been doing at the atlantic coast conference to which the university of miami belongs is take a very, very thoughtful and analytical approach not just when it comes to athletics but on the tough decision whether to open the campus for in person instruction or go fully remote what i got to do, i'm trained in public health. that's my professional field what we tried to do is stay away from the false dichotomy that going to campus is all risk and keeping students off campus is no risk. that is actually not the case. and what we're trying to do is estimate the risks of those two decisions. for a lot of our students campus is actually the safest place

where they can be. the risky behaviors of not wearing face coverings, of gathering in large parties and all of those association we have, don't just disappear because you don't bring students to campus. in fact, i believe, which is why we're proceeding with our plans to hold classes in person, in a hybrid model i do believe we can provide a safe environment on campus we can wear face coverings which we are making mandatory. we can test our students i am encouraged by fact looking at the data we've had student athletes on campus in all of our universities since june for two months we've been testing them frequently i can think the last two tests we had exactly zero positive cases, which demonstrates that young people can actually be trusted to follow rules,

contrary again to the stereotype they can be trusted to follow the rules when there's a very clear reward which in this case is to play so i cannot tell you what the acc will do because obviously i'm not authorized we're meeting and consulting, but we're mostly driven by a very thorough approach and analyzing all the options and we're contingent the question what is best for our students. and it is not obvious that keeping them off campus, sometimes leaving their apartments across the treat from the university and stopping them from coming on campus isn't simple there's reason to believe it would encourage more risky behavior than having them there in an educational setting where we can supervisor try to inspire them to do not just the right thing but the smart thing for them and for all their classmates and the community

>> doctor, the one issue is, obviously, the students are lower risk if something does happen and there is an outbreak. but then you have faculty and staff and everybody else at the cool is it possible to make sure that a lot of students or the athletes aren't carriers that give to it more vulnerable population and is it worth the risk >> i do believe we can do that you know, wear properly face conversation we've gone to great lents to instruct our students and faculty how to do that having robust system of self-reporting symptoms, tracing contacts, have enough space for quarantining there will be outbreaks. but our goal is to keep those

very small there will be transmission of the virus. we have a robust system of testing, of mandatory in the environment, wastewater where we know the virus is shed, but doing random sampling of antibody testing so we can see what part of the campus is a hot spot and quickly isolate that part we have installed barriers we invested millions of dollars literally in equipment so that faculty members can conduct their lectures behind a barrier all the time wearing face conversation we've introduced a low idea which we call public health ambassadors. using positive peer pressure which this age group is known to respond very well. so we train, we have 75 public health ambassadors which are there to make sure that their

classmates comply with those behaviors both on and off campus we have instituted or reinforced because we already had it an outline when students see something that they deem is not -- is risky behavior can quickly notify and an environment that's safe and not oppressive or coercive we can do that on the other hand, we have told students there will be zero tolerance for violations >> doctor, what do you say to critics and there are critics of president cornell and so many other universities that this is a money grab that if you didn't do this that the amount of money that you would lose is so great that it's worth taking a rifre aing a risk what do you tell those people? >> that's not true i think in general we have a

duty to actually assure the continuation of our institutions and we have a board that has a racetrack to ensure that we're mindful of the financial implications i can tell you, it might be the easier option because there are ways to mitigate the financial loss, but that has to come in to the equation you're going to layoff more people or people who lose their income so you have all those effects. we are mindful of those. we are very thoughtful about that but, that is not the driver of the decision not in our case. what i'm take is a look at relative risks, not this idea

that being on campus is all where the risk is and being off campus is not at all young people leave their homes, many of them, they move out and whether they come to campus or not they will move out and actually if we do the right thing we can assure they will have our safer environment now it does require young people to be inspired to do something that is exactly what we're motivated to do. but we got try >> all right, doctor we may have lost a little bit of audio. very difficult to hear with all these different delays dr. frank, thank you we wish you well i hope this turns out well we all want to see football. we want to do it right as well andrew

okay coming up on the other side of the break. mike novogratz will talk to us about recent swings in bitcoin and more presumptive democratic nominee joe biden names his vp candidate. we'll talk about what it means for the markets, the impact on business and so much more. "squawk" returns after this. .

good morning stock futures are bouncing back after the late weakness yesterday. green across the board in a pre-market after that late day sell off s&p 500 is less than 2% from an all time high. joe biden taps kamala harris as

his vp pick. now the 2020 democratic is all but locked in, what is next? what will a biden-harris administration mean for american business dick durbin will join us tesla said it's splitting its stock and where do shares go where else up why the company is making the move and what it means for your portfolio as the final hour of "squawk box" begins right now. good morning welcome back to "squawk box" right here on cnbc i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen. becky is off today we're back on record watch this morning. take a look at u.s. equity futures because directionally at least if we stay on this pace we will hit that new level. the s&p 500 had that late day

sell off yesterday but still less than 2% from february's all time highs you can see right now things are pointing up every where. treasury yields, those we should show you as we speak, looking to -- looking at about, on the ten year .673, joe >> let's get right into what's driving this morning's stock rally, dom chu joins us with the highlights >> reporter: some role reversals. technology and second is financials we'll start with technology. take a look at three of the etfs that track the technology sector overa overin the last week we've seen some moves technology down 1.5% big internet and communication surfaces related stocks down 3.5% and technology and software specifically off about 5%. that's a recent versal these had been very much the

leadership groups in the course of therecent rally watch what happens with technology if there's a bounce some traders want to see that lead the way higher now that downward move is in contrast with what's happened in the last week for financials which has been a huge laggard. regional banks up by 11% jpmorgan chase is up 9%. and then the spider s&p 500 bank super7.5%. technology over the last week has been declining financials are on the rise. interest rates are helping that out. ten year benchmark, u.s. treasury note yields are near a one month high one macro trade to watch as well the gold and silver trades have been huge to the upside over the course of the past several weeks. justin last three or four trading days we've seen sharp moves lower in both silver and gold that's something to keep an eye on watch the $, gold and silver, banks and financials keys to this moaning's trade

we'll send things back to you. >> give us a bit of an in depth perspective on what we're seeing in the markets and what it all means. we're joined in an interview with mike novogratz. i want to understand equities right this moment. does this make sense to you? >> yeah. we've had amazing run, right, with the tech stocks, the growth stocks way out performing everything we're starting to see a little reversal of that we're seeing that reversal because covid cases are starting to come down a lot of vaccine talk and everything is correlated to that story. we get an end to covid or visibility for the end of covid you'll see these industrials and banks that have lagged, rally a lot and people take profits on their zooms and their telecons >> should you be making that move now

goldman sachs put out a report last week making the point that sat @some point the cyclicals will outperform. >> you have to watch the tea leaves watching the 30 year bond is important. it traded heavily. it's already down. positions got so stretched growth versus value. bond yields will have that much more to go at one point this is a profit taking exercise. people had great years hedge funds have had great years. asset management had great years. we're supposed to have 30% falling in gdp but people have had great years. so some of this is locked in >> so, mike, in your recent appearances, i mean how many s&p

points would you say that you have been surprised at and i don't remember you ever getting bullish at all you missed this entire 50% move. are you better now at digital stuff? how do you account for that? >> listen, it's funny. you know our stock price is up triple about 2800 i started picking s&p was overdone and that's 500, 600 points that i sat and watched. i look at a company that has done nothing and we own bojangles privately. when you're a wealthy guy your portfolio does well. >> i'm not worried about you i'm not worried about you.

i know how much money you got. i'm worried about people watching you and you gave the advice the last few times you've been on. >> this is one of the strangest rallies. there's as much uncertainty we've ever seen with an election with a high probability we get a democratic president who already has said he'll raise the capital gains taxes and personal taxes there's a tremendous amount of risk that doesn't want to place in the market solely because we've had a treasury and a fed that keeps jamming liquidity when we talk about this fiscal practice, 1 trillion versus 2 trillion, remember a trillion that's 5% of gdp that was priced in now that's the spread of what these two packages are so we're in kind of

unprecedented times. that's why you saw a guy buy $250 in bitcoin. we're iran really interesting times. >> mike, let me pivot, if you will, to gold and bitcoin. i don't know if we should talk about them in the same sentence or not that's a topic you spent a lot of time fwhig these past, well years, really but especially in the past couple of months. are you surprised at what's happening here and do you believe it's correlated or uncorrelated remember we've gone back and forth on this together >> they are correlated in times and the thesis of why people are buying them are very correlated. what's uncorrelated is bitcoin is early in the adoption cycle yesterday we had a 1.3 billion

market cap company put $250 million in their treasury. they will not be the first company to do that we're slowly having people come to the bitcoin realization where gold everyone has known about gold for 3,000 years i think gold, haven't seen their highs for a year this sacretion pretty swift correction because it got overdone. it was a much bigger correction in gold. bitcoin is off 4%, 5% from the highs. it's already back wane couple of percent. so i'm not worried at all my bitcoin position the trader, sometimes you go to sleep and can't sleep but you know your position is worrying you. i've been sleeping like a baby >> mike, real quick. you look at tesla and that five for one stock split and you look at the valuation just go on a tear i know there are advocates for splitting up the stocks.

jaime incriminator ad e eoe eoor advocated that the company is worth more. does that make any sense >> zero sense. there's an irrational exuberance around the story stores tech stocks amazon is an amazing company which is trading 100 times earnings so tesla, you know, it allows more small guys to get in and now we have psychology for a day or two i would be surprised if it doesn't close much lower than where it opens today or at least lower than where it is today you get the original excitement oh, it's a split the math makes no sense. so day traders feel shorting tesla is a decent bet. >> finally before i let you go, election does this biden vp pick change anything >> i think -- >> what's the wall street take

>> i think, you know, kamala is the most prepared for this spot of any of the people he was considering. no training she needs go through. she's ready to put on the gloves and start sparring in lots of way she's a great pick democrats i talked to about are expected vp in the long run doesn't make a big difference this is an election between biden and trump. kamala is a net positive it will be be fun to watch herget in the ring with mike pence. i predict a knock out. the democrats will win i don't think the market has digested that at this point. >> okay. that's a good place to end this conversation and to come back to continue it in the very near future mike novogratz thank you so much more joining us. we do have some breaking news. joe has that news for us joe. >> thanks. viacom, cbs issuing a statement mourning the passing of sumner

and chairman emeritus ever national amusement and shareholder of viacom cbs. he was 97. avenues brilliant visionary. transformed a company into a media portfolio and force majeure. fierce competitor for 30 years led viacom as executive chairman of the board following national amusement. mr. redstone served as executive board of cbs and viacom in february of 2016 he assumed the role of chairman emeritus. they go on to mourn the passing and extend as we do the deepest sympathies to the redstone family sumner redstone dead at 97

andrew, i guess we all -- he was he 97. he's been around as long -- >> we all have a long history with him >> made such a profound impact on the world of media overall. i had an opportunity to cover his world and watch it like you and all of us. and he was a force majeure in so many ways and a true deal maker. someone who was looking at that stock price on the hour every hour if not in between and he would jump on the phone and tell you what he liked and didn't like, depending on what you wrote about him. and it's a sad day for everybody and we do send our condolences to sherri and the family and all the dynamics have changed over the years both putting those companies together, splitting them apart and a lot of the soap opera and family drama that we've all seen and went with over these years

>> yep the stories, just the things that he lived through and went through as well. pretty amazing and when he was in his early 90s i remember he was not ready to turn over control and people said sumner thinks he'll live forever. he almost did, actually. 97 is a life well lived. but, you know, some of his earlier, you know, some of the things that -- that was at the sheridan, was it not, am i thinking about that right? >> yeah. you're right >> a fire at the sheridan. and just in boston, i believe. and just -- >> yep he was hanging off a third story ledge. >> we'll talk more, andrew as w.

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up about 95 points right now let's talk about this election joe biden picking california senator kamala harris as his running mate in 2020 we're turning our attention now to her position on key economic issues and joining us is illinois senator dick durbin, the democratic whip. good morning to you, senator we do want to understand how you think this changes the dynamic not just of the election, if you think it does, but in terms of her positions on the economy you know, you go back and look back when she was running against biden, she had a number of different views, one of which was to tax trading on wall street, for example. what do you think her impact is going to be in terms of policy >> well first things first a heart beat away from the presidency is she ready attorney general for the largest state in the united states of america. member of the senate as well as the judiciary committee, the

intelligence committee i've been working with kamala for years. she's not high in seniority she is high in mutual respect we have for her in terms of her political views let's be honest. joe biden will be the leader of that effort and leader of that decision-making. she's going to be an integral part of it in terms of the campaign we couldn't ask for more. a proven national candidate who has been around and worked in my state as well as others. she has marched for friends who are now as excited as could be to join in this effort >> senator, what do you make, those of some of the personal or interpersonal dynamics, intermural squabbling at play. joe biden wanted a partner in the same which he had with obama and some skepticism whether he'll have that same kind of

relationship given southeast public shouts that they have taken frankly at each other or that she has taken at him and a view that she may be -- she might have greater aspirations and whether that creates a trust issue? >> first let me say a border about biden and obama. i was involved in the early stages of the obama presidential campaign sitting in an rv with him in the florida with a legal pad checking off names potential running mates. so i kind of knew the process from the beginning he made the final decision for sure and the relationship between biden and obama started off very good it turned out to being a great i think that the relationship between joe biden and kamala harris is going to mature and evolve in that same way. normal people don't understand sometimes this world of politicians. we can fight like cats and dogs when it comes to primaries in particular and the day after the primary decision decide that that person we just had the

heated words with is going to be an ally and someone very important in the future. that's the nature of this business you can disagree with someone. you just don't want to be disagreeable >> what do you make of the idea and it's a critique from the left even more left if you will that this, that this ticket isn't -- is almost too moderate. >> i can just tell enthusiast. there is a level of commitment, energy and enthusiasm to bring a new president to the united states of america the likes of which i've never seen. in terms of the left and democratic party bernie sanders has been a trooper since he's withdrawn. he's met with biden. working to move us forward to make sure we have a victory on november 3rd we're trying to tell everybody here whatever your minor differences may be, we have a major responsibility to bring new leadership to this country to move this country forward

to rebuild this economy. and first and foremost to deal with this coronavirus in an effective way. >> all right you know, this audience, senator, is oftentimes a business audience. business interests trying to understand what it means to the economy what it means to business. what it may mean to the markets. speak to her views about wall street and banks you know, one of the first things that biden put out about her was that she took on the big banks. clearly there's questions about taxes. then as you just said, you know, bernie sanders getting behind biden, how much does biden get behind bernie sanders. he put out a plan just last week to tax billionaires who made money during the pandemic. i'm not making a judgment on whether any of those things are good or bad. i wonder whether you think the biden ticket will ultimately come out on these issues >> to my friend in the business

community, the biggest single devastating statistic which you should remember is this. the united states has between 4% and 5% of the world's population we have 25% of the covid infections the rest of the world is looking to the united states and saying what have you been doing for six months a lot of us have been doing things which have reduced the rate of infection and death and our economy is starting to recover. the united states still on trope in many respects so for my friends in the business community please don't overlook the obvious we need a leader who can mobilize and unify the american people and strike an to end this coronavirus. then as we move forward we need to build jobs. good paying jobs in america. i know joe biden and kamala harris are committed to that i hope my friend in the business community realize that's a key for our democracy to be strong for generations to come. >> talking about our economy, justtell us where you think th stimulus measures really stand

right now after president trump put those executive orders into effect i know there's a big fight about that but what's the betting diagnostics what's your betting line on where this goes? >> we made it clear and with our leadership pelosi and schumer we're willing to go halfway. that's the nature of compromise. we're prepared to do that. we can't talk to an empty chair and an empty table mitch mcconnell and the republican leader of the house kevin mccarthy refuse to attend negotiation sieges what do they have to do that was more important than that negotiation? when it failed and the white house said we're walking away we said the door is open. when you're ready to come back in to talk about a solution we'll move forward i'll tell you this i hope to executive order bring some relief to some families but i don't believe that's the approach that should be used ben sasse the republican senator called it unconstitution aal sl that the president was bending

on this. it would address key issues testing, money for our schools and things that's essential. there will come a time when there's another negotiation. i hope this time republicans will show up >> senator durbin, we appreciate your time this morning that's a longer debate and we should have it and hope to have you back to continue it. frankly i hope there won't be a debate i hope there would be some form of agreement and we'll get money to those who need it so very much during these challenging times. thank you, senator >> thank you all right. on the democratic debate stage last summer kamala harris put a few tough questions to joe biden on the issues of race. >> i do not believe you after racist and i agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground but i also believe and it's

personal and it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two united states senators who built their reputations and career on segregation of race in this country. >> it's a mischaracterization. i did not praise racists that is not true >> vice president biden, do you agree today, do you agree today that you were wrong to oppose bussing in america then? do you agree >> joining us now for an analysis on what biden's vp pick means, frank luntz joins us. was kamala harris the most likely, i think it was but i actually got swayed yesterday by the predictive numbers that

susan rice might be the choice all along i thought probably senator harris was going to be it where were you >> well, i brought with me a couple of examples of where they have absolutely got it wrong that's when ronald reagan was going to choose gerald ford or the example of when john kerry chose dick gephart i want to remind viewers of this headline, dewey defeats truman this is one of the most difficult elections to survey. one of the most difficult electorates to under they are angry, frustrated, nervous about the future, afraid for their kids there's a group i'm looking at right now that will determine this election and that is women with children of school-age. that when you get to be of that age and of that family status,

you start to move from democratic to republican and these women have moved away from donald trumpin the last six to eight weeks because they found this pressure to send their kids into the school and very nervous about this. this is a business issue this is an economic issue because how can the economy resume how can we bring people back and return life to normal if they have to stay whom their kids or arguing and fighting over child care i think that harris was a safe choice but i would also remind people that there's a video of her with steven colbert and you guys have it in the control room where she laughs off that criticism of joe biden and i don't think that video is going to do her well. in fact, i think it will be the most watched video of the next three months t >> it was a little bit too honest i think or cynical or something. we don't have the video but i

referenced it earlier because we all thought about -- i remember when she said it to joe biden and it did seem like she was going say that it had been wish deknabout -- we would bring it up. it was very effective and very -- seemed like sincere person to talk about those issues and now -- i understand the debates after they are over everybody eventually hugs and supports the candidate but to go back and say, you know, yeah that was just a debate that was a tool i was using to win the debate i think that sort of adds to the phoney persona that they are going try to use on the republican side. >> we've done this a dozen times over the last year and often disagr disagreed. i think it takes the cynicism. i'm very careful about my

analysis her because if you looked at the last 12 hours of coverage, she's being protected. she's being celebrated and in this era of cancel culture if you're critical of her in any way you're called a racist chris dobb learned this. so i urge people be very careful about what you say that doesn't change the fact that it's a level of cynicism and a level of dismissal when you simply blame a really tough harsh criticism on the fact that it's a debate. should we not believe her when she debates mike pence in the fall should we not believe things she says simply because it's a political moment for her i would like to think that we can reach a higher standard in this remaining 85 days i would like to think that we can do better than the campaigns of the past. >> so, frank, what am i looking

at you seem very presidential today. where are you? >> it was very kind of donald trump to give me his office and i'm very fortunate --this is real this is a chair. this is not a photograph this is actually my home in california this is a 78% replica of the oval office and over here ace turn this around this is the lincoln bedroom. so i'm the only person who has an oval office that you can actually sleep in and you don't have to be a presidential intern >> you're waiting for me we wanted to clear that up frank -- >> go ahead. >> this is not a green screen. like if you got out of chair, i don't want you to because you have a mic

you can walk back there. there's depth. smile show you >> oh, my goodness >> this is a genuine resolute desk i'll put it there behind me. so you can see including the buck stops here. >> wow >> we have the humidor from bill clinton. these are couches from bill clinton. this is the whole thing. and that is the, behind me is the painting of george washington that was in the richard nixon white house and, yes, this is real. so i'm going to the sit behind the desk and i'm going show you guys something they've never seen before which is, this is -- put it back down, this is the red phone. this is the famous phone that was used to contact the kremlin in the 1970s and 1980s >> wow that's something >> wow

>> that's something, frank >> you have now made this a tax deduction. it cost almost a million to build and now i can take it off my taxes because i can say i used it for a cnbc shot. >> we're going to need you again and again. i'm still trying to get my head around the bill clinton humidor. thank you, frank we're getting some -- andrew we're getting july cpi data. rick, the numbers please >> reporter: joe, hot, hot is all i can see. july read on cpi number, up .6 matching actually unrevised pop last month after we went negative for three months. feign look at energy, also a hot

number up .6 if we go year-over-year up over 1% we were looking for .75. up a whopping 1.6. now obviously on these year to year numbers they are big in terms of expectations not necessarily big in terms of history, but the two month over month numbers are very large and, indeed, point to this dynamic that many have been being looking at trying to handicap not only where inflation or disinflation will be but what it looks like in 2021, 2022 especially considering if we get ahead of the covid-19, if we get a vaccine, there's an awful lot of stimulus in the storm and look at ten year note yields. they are around 69 basis points so they have really moved up basically 5 1/2 week highs along with 30 weak bond yields that's

approaching 138. joe, back to you all right, thank you, rick steve liesman joins us now with more hey, steve >> reporter: hey, joe, welcome back yeah there's quite an inflation debate going on right now. just some of the details out here futon fell energy up 2.5% on the month. vehicle sales up 0.8 and used vehicle sales up 2.3%. these are on the month and i think phil lebeau has been talking about the scramble for cars out there having recently been in the market things are firm apparel up 1.1%. some areas you have driving up inflation. let me show you what exists are talking about. not many economists, more market folks are talk about when they make this case that indeed there's an inflation concern the massive fiscal monetary stimulus out there

potential supply side constraints. maybe you see on apparel and vehicle side market indicate jobs got and silver gold sold off a little bit then the rise in inflation expectations imbedded in the tips spread and university of michigan inflation expectations. okay let's make the case for why the fed and others are not worried about inflation. comes down to one single chart called the output gap and that output gap tells you what could have been for the economy if we run it faster or hot as we think we could and actually. there's the projection running below potential for many years to come and in economic theory at least it's hard to generate inflation under those circumstances. overall the federal reserve is buying this output gap story much more than it's buying the information in the other chart and that's why what you have, andrew, is a fed that is really moving to be more what do you

want to say lenient or otherwise accommodating to inflation running above its 2% target and you're probably going to get a change in the long term strategy reflecting that in september andrew >> okay. we'll see what happens in september. steve, we appreciate it. we should tell you we'll come back on the other side of this break. as you know, some breaking news. we'll talk about the life and legacy of sumner redstone, 97 years old. we'll talk about his accomplishments and how he changed the world of media join the cnbc small business playbook virtual summit taking place today at 1:00 eastern. you can hear from sheryl sandberg and so many others and important voice. go to cnbcevents.com/smallbusiness playbook you're watching cnbc4-2424. .

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inspiring confidence. and helping you uncover new paths forward. northern trust. wealth management. welcome back to "squawk box" sad news this morning. media mogul summer redstone has died at the and of 79. david faber joins to talk to us about sumner redstone. david you've covered sumner redstone for so long you spent so much time interviewing him, talking to him. what are your thoughts this morning? >> reporter: you know, it's funny.

as you say i spent a lot of time with sumner during a period of 15, 20 years as he was building his empire and so many different things of a corporate nature but able to spend time with him away from sort of the day-to-day business life as well. i mean, he was a force majeure, i think, as you probably have pointed out, andrew. like so many successful people he was relentless in so many ways i always enjoyed spending time with him and was lucky enough to have done that many times including that interview there at his house in beverly hills where i was visited with him through the years a number of times where he spent a lot of his most recent years as well. he had this great aquarium with these fish there we would go out. sometimes we would eat at some of his favorite restaurants. i remember dinners at an italian place he liked when i think about his life and

his career there's a couple of things i come back to the world didn't know about sumner redstone until he made that bid for viacom. it was viacom. they changed the name. he was 59 years old. i think it's something to keep in mind, young man that you are, andrew, that life can really begin sometimes for some people at least in a significant way in terms of building your career very late and that goes i think to the tenacity of mr. redstone. not that he wasn't successful prior to that but what's the he emerged on the global stage as a titan building the company from there. it strikes me he really didn't get going in the public imagination until he was roughly 60 years of age and then of course has been somebody we've talked about for the last 37 years. >> right you know, he put these two famed companies together split them apart and then put them together

again. how do you think in retrospect he thinks about all that >> well, you know, listen he and i would argue about that in fact there's a famous clip we were arguing about it and he kept telling me to shut up you know, he cared a great deal about the stock price. he was focused on the stock price. he used to remember famously run the buy backs, bear stearns would help him with that i always made the argument he moved too quickly because he was disappoint touched in the performance of the company at that point that he split them and that he wasn't quite sure who the leader should be, so he gave them both their separate companies at the time. but, you know, then his daughter, sherri, of course put them back together recently. they would have been better served had they stayed together during that pertd of time but that's way sumner moved. he moved fast.

so many different milestones the fight for paramount which was one of the first m and a stories i covered for cnbc in '93, '94 that put him on the map. he brought in blockbuster he used the cash flow to help pay for paramount. so many battles. he battled everybody all the time but he was real, i always enjoyed a great deal being around him it was fun some stories you can share, andrew and some you can't share. >> well, we'll let you hold your tongue for now we appreciate the remembrance of him and of course we scene our condolences to sherri and family we'll continue the conversation right now, david thank you for offering those memories joe, i know you got richard now. >> yep we got -- let's bring in media

analyst rich greenfield. hanging from the ledge during a fire can you confirm that and you heard a lot of things that david was talking about. what are your thoughts on mr. redstone's passing >> i'm sitting in front of the paramount gates and when i think of the words sumner redstone i think of contend is king the film studio, which became a tv studio in a bigger and bigger way, sumner really believed great content is what was required in the media business and i think even if you look today it's hard to argue that that still not true. certainly the platforms earnings you know, when you think about the netflix technology and all that there's certainly been a change to the eco system but none of this works disney plus doesn't work netflix done work. if you don't have great content nothing else really matters. >> it's natural.

yep. well andrew and david what about the legacy of -- i don't know. i blame it on the investment bankers, you know. let's merge. de-merge merge again. take a fee every time. was the environment that the he coffees operating in, did those moves, were they warranted in your view? >> there's maybe too much focus from a lot of media companies on trying, to you know, focus far too much on their stock price versus just making great content and sort of leaning into the future but there's no doubt in my mind, i think to what david faber just said to andrew a few minutes ago these companies need to be together scale matter when you look at the size. just apples closing in on $2 trillion market gap. viacom in the teens billions all of legacy media, we like to call it is small so scale really matters.

does viacom and cbs together make it -- does it give it the scale that disney has now? of course not. but greater scale will be necessary. i would be surprised, you know, i think from the moment we started talk about viacom and cbs re-merging we said sherri very much thought of this as one of many steps and i think it was very important to sumner to reunite these companies. sherri was on a mission to get this done while sumner was still alive. it's incredible she was able to bring them back together last december but this is just step one. moonves slowed down the pace of this combination viacom would have been much further along in its m and a activity if it wasn't for those few years of fighting with sherri and family. the reality is now as you look forward i have to believe that viacom has got several more deals to come because they are still small. are they bigger than, you know,

lio li lions gate, sure they are small they will need to get bigger and bigger and m and a will be a critical part of that. david faber will don't talk about viacom well after sumner's passing. >> all right we'll end it, rich appreciate you rich greenfield. coming up we'll have much more on the markets futures are way up again this morning. stay tune. "squawk box" coming right back

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some big news on tesla this morning, the company announcing five for one stock split and earlier this morning jim cramer this is what he tweeted, he says i've urged everyone of the ceos with the big dollar amount stocks to split. someone listening. let's get cnbc's headquarters to get jim cramer's take on that right now. jim, you have been encouraging ceos to do it, the stock looks like it's up $15 billion in market cap just on that stock split news when i've made the argument that nothing actually really changed, it does make it easier obviously for some investors to get access to the stock, but how should investors think about these splits

>> you're so right this is without a doubt -- that it creates any wealth, i just think that something has changed am america we have a lot of younger people who want to buy, this fractional share thing really hasn't taken off. to get a chance to own tesla psychologically they feel like it would be better to have a smaller amount any value in the stock that's created by this is false, but i think the idea of getting newer younger people involved in the stock market who aren't just brainwashed to put money into index funds is terrific, andrew. enough time has passed, 20 years has passed since the dot-com, you could say that the dot-com people once again new generation are in and they're very uninformed i think it's up to us to inform them we can be a critical voice for them. >> right. >> but, no, it shouldn't create wealth but it can create new people coming in and, boy, do we ever need that, andrew you know that this business has been os a if i had and we were

becoming dinosaurs and young people want to be in because they think they can pick stocks and many of them can. >> no, it's very true. it's very true. >> isn't it encouraging? don't you meet young people who want to be in now and isn't it great? >> they do no, it's very exciting it's very exciting that they want to be in and i think, you know, this is what we've been waiting for for a long time. >> yes. >> a lot of people unfortunately missed out the last ten years during this period, of course, we also have to hope that they get educated on this stuff and get educated because of people like you, jim, who educate them. >> and you. >> about making the right decisions. >> and you come on. they listen to you, maybe they buy before the opening they say i hear that there is not a lot of wealth created tesla, maybe we should wait like mike said in a great interview to let it come down, but how about this idea that young people, millions of people are looking at our show and making decisions that perhaps they

should buy tesla when it was 270, a lot of them did we are far too critical. too many people come on the shows and dismiss these younger people and say they don't know what to do and then you look at the records and the records are pulse reverse for some of these younger people. >> i didn't mean, what's your two cents or more take on biden's vp pick and what it means for the markets? >> i think that when you look at how middle of the road she is you're surprised she mirrors biden on everything. i'm going over her facebook comments, i think she probably walked them back she is not someone who would get rid of the united healths of the world. i don't want to say she has -- all the democrats want to raise taxes and i wish of course that we didn't have to have a tax raise but obviously when you get offline with people, andrew, almost everybody says what is going to happen to our kids and our grandkids? i think that's a perfectly realistic thing to say after the pandemic >> okay.

jim, we will see you on "squawk on the street." >> great show this morning you don't want to be paid because you like it so much. >> it's not that i don't want to be paid. >> good. because you brings us all down. >> i said i've never worked a day in my life i'm happy to be paid for what we do but it is such a joy and a pleasure even on the hardest days in the world to do what we do and i think, jim, it shows in you and what you love in this job and what joe loves in this job, what becky loves in this job and david and carl and everybody. >> i totally agree >> we call it a job but it doesn't feel that way most days. >> i totally agree and we work really hard. i want people to know that we are trying to educate and teach people to be critical. critical thinking did not occur in 2000 but it can occur now >> jim cramer, we will see you in just a couple minutes joe? thanks andrew, we have a little time left for our next guest. chris varone who says technical indicators are pointing to a notable and encouraging shift in

the markets. joining us to explain that, chris ferone at strages research partners where has the broadening been that makes this more positive in your view, chris >> joe, i think a couple places, i think notably down the cap scale the fact that small caps continue to lead, you are at small verse high new recovery over the last several days, i think that's encouraging, discretionary has continued to improve as well and maybe most importantly for us industrials continue to act better, particularly the transports, particularly air freight i know tech gets a lot of attention, but when you look at this market believe it or not x tech is about to make new highs as well. this is broader under the surface than many people think yesterday, for example, 50% of the s&p made a new one-month high, that's a sign that momentum is returning back to the tape, it's a sign participation is broadening out and we welcome that.

>> chris, let's say that you just take the bear case that we are flush with liquidity and there's no yield anywhere to speak of you know, the spigot are open globally, especially we have the fed and congress, we have executive orders so the money goes where it's going to go, it goes in and finally the favorite parts of the market get totally overbought and then finally there's still more money around so it even goes to the laggards and the dogs why isn't this just an example of, you know, maybe the waning stages of a mania rather than showing that we have further to go as it broadens? >> do you know what i think is really interesting, joe, is that the expectation was that if tech stumbled the market would be in a lot of trouble that's in the expectation among many for the next several months tech has paused over the last month.

amazon hasn't make an new high and that money has found other areas. i look at a healthybull market in which in which participation is getting broader, more stocks are getting involved and that's been the lesson over the last several weeks. one of the important developments is this resurgence in the transportation stocks, particularly relative to some of the stay at home names so when you've seen stocks like ups and fedex and expediters and then you look at some of the broader industrials, deere, caterpillar all getting involved in this move to me that's a reflection that participation is broadening out and that the markets are on pretty good ground here. >> what would the technical indicators tell you about the upcoming election, chris or does it tell you anything at this point >> i think this is where watching the specific groups is going to be notable. i think over the next couple weeks watching health care how that responds is going to give us a pretty good clue, but i think maybe more importantly the

person who does our d.c. work has always talked about the idea in the 90 days leading up to the date if the s&p is up the incumbent party tends to win how the market responds broadly here as well over the next number of weeks will be a really important tell on who will win this november. >> and, you know, we worry about the senate, we don't know. i'm going to talk to andrew a little so i'm going to let you go, chris. we've got maybe a minute or so left and i want to do a final check on the markets which are going to be sharply higher today. the s&p at some point is going to hit possibly a new high which no one probably would have thought of take a quick look at europe and then a quick look at oil andrew, i will tell you that the point i was going to try to make, you are a worrywart, i know that, so i know that you see these polls and there's no way that you're saying that it's over at this point and then i was thinking if the

predicted is 57/43 what if someone said go over there and you have a 43% chance of surviving if you go over there, it's like, whoa, hold on, i mean, 57/43, that doesn't say anything to me, does it? i mean, i don't -- are you a 57% chance of surviving -- >> i'm not worried about it one way or the other yes, i'm 100% in agreement with you that it ain't over until it's over. >> i know you are not worried. you know what i meant. anyway, let's go to "squawk on the street." >> absolutely. >> see you tomorrow. ♪ and this is "squawk on the street" i'm david faber along with jim cramer, carl has the morning off. of course, the markets in focus as they always are at this time given we count down from a half hour from now for the opening of the markets themselves