appreciate it. bernie mcternan of rosenblatt. >> two cheers for disney and three cheers for peloton i'll go back and do a little working out today. the dow down as well. >> i want to know when you close in on that 200 we'll throw a little party. >> getting close getting close. "closing bell" starts right now. >> it certainly does thank you very much, kelly and tyler. i'm wilfred frost along with sara ei sechltsen major averagel leers lower, as we head into the final hour of trade. steve mnuchin said it would be difficult to get a stimulus deal done before the election bank of america and wells fargo see sizeable moves lower

tech stocks underperforming today, pulling back more of monday's gains or giving up monday's gains, i should say, still on pace for a positive week 59 minutes left of the session, exactly down .5%, sarah. >> we've got a big lineup coming your way national economic council director larry kudlow will join us to talk about the stimulus negotiations and any economic impact there. john shrewsberry of wells fargo will be with us and we'll talk to david malpass and the race to fund vaccine development around the world. first off, though, let's get straight to the big stories we're watching mike santoli is watching the market pullback. rick santelli has the bond report

but let's start with mike santoli. >> big tech and momentum growth that have been running pretty hotly. this modest payback mode for the prior few weeks. lows for today were right exactly where the s&p closed on friday essentially made this round-trip a couple of times, trying to bounce off of them yes, if you look at energy, look at pure value stocks, they're actually up on the day it does seem as if it's a little bit of a shift within the market, with a negative bias as we try to figure out if this is a routine pullback it has been very much a risk-seeking mode, though. i want to look at the ipo/etf. you can look at the cloud sector etf. things that represent people really grabbing for the fastest-moving stuff then you see this modest curl lower, but 82% year to date, that's just hardly even registers on this chart as much of a pullback. also an underpinning of a lot of this is what's going on in the

credit markets, seeing a risk-seeking tone. high-yield bond spread the compensation that investors are making because treasury yields are so low, talking about a spread under five percentage points for high-yield debt, the absolute highest yield is 5.5%. it barely qualifies to be called high yield not a lot of macro stress going on but a lot of reshuffling in the equity markets, trying to figure out how deep maybe this little churn period has to go. >> there is no high yield. my question is why wasn't the whole case for value stocks and cyclical stocks that we would get more stimulus and that would help juice the economy going into the fourth quarter? the news on that front today hasn't been good. >> it hasn't, which tells me really that the pullback is not about those headlines principally, the stimulus talks. we more or less set aside the hope that there's an imminent

stimulus plan. i don't know that there is a very satisfy iing reason for why you would see some of the beaten down groups happening except it does look as if there's just a little bit of meaner version the stuff that's flying high is coming back, reallocating in some other areas those banks not a big beneficiary of that. there are reports big value, institutional value investors have closed up shops it's just one of those moments that seems maybe things have gotten stretched far enough in growth over value to snap back at least on a few hours basis right now. >> all right, mike see you in a few you mentioned financials more big bank earnings, including goldman sachs, bank of america and wells fargo. wilfred, what are the key takeaways? >> we'll start with provisions for bad loans. this shows how much lower they are this quarter compared to q1 and q2 obviously, lower is better than higher they have fallen the most relative to q2 for jp morgan and

bank of america. bank of america has spoken, in particular, of an improving consumer environment, consumer spending overall was higher year over year. though, that's been offset by pressures on net interest income because of lower yields. jp morgan was down 9%. bank of america, wells fargo higher year over year. on the bank of america call, they made it clear they felt net interest income has bottomed not just because they don't see the long end of the curve falling further from here but because they think that refinancing activity has probably been exhausted. goldman had blowout numbers in their trading experience higher year over year, but lower quarter over quarter nevertheless numbers in trading did stand out. asset management performance was the biggest contributor to their beat, though cfo stephen scherr on that

announcement and outlook. >> our announced volume in the third quarter was up more than five-fold versus the second quarter, and our investment banking client dialogues remain active the bigger headline in investment banking, again in the third quarter, was equity underwriting where we generated $856 million in revenues, more than double the levels seen a year ago, marking our second highest quarter ever looking forward, our investment banking backlog increased significantly versus the second quarter. growth was supported around m & a activity as i noted earlier, as well as replen isht from equity and debt underwriting transactions. >> that encouraging outlook obviously bodes relatively well for morgan stanley though goldman themselves have given up a lot of their early session gains, though they're still in the green bank of america and wells fargo, down 4 and 5%.

the reason not so much what it was in q1 or q2, worried about hurting their but rather the fear of what low rates means for the next three, four, five years, the memories of what european banks have been able to earn over the last decade hurting investors today. that net interest income was so much lower year over year. >> i was just going to ask about that wells fargo is down more than 7% for the week i know that sort of got some exceptions we'll talk to trusberry in a second last quarter everyone was worried about the provisions for bad loans. they were higher than expected, what's around the corner from what you're saying, it looks a lot better i asked yesterday if there was a reflection of a better economy maybe it is but that doesn't seem to be giving the stocks a lift. >> we can show you those provisions for bad loans and clearly those little yellow bars for q3 much, much lower than they were for q2

that's head in the right direction. the very fact that provisions for bad loans are still positive overall shows that there are still fears about the loan book that could get worse and the fact that you've already booked so many, as these blue charts show, highlights that there's still fears that loans could go bad that you haven't been able to release yet out of having already provide for those loans. the net outlook is not positive on the economy it's just it hasn't gotten meaningfully worse during the course of this quarter i would say both of them, i'm going to ask shrewsberry about this, bank of america seems stronger on the consumer maybe less so for but the consumer seems to be holding up quite well. >> well, that is where we'll pick up the discussion after the break, we've got wells fargo cfo john shrewsberry you're watching "closing bell,"

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quarter when we put up a big provision. this quarter our credit costs that have come through, we didn't meaningfully build the reserve at all part of which contributing to that on the consumer side is certainly some stimulus, which means more consumers have liquidity available while that runs its course and then lots of banks, including wells fargo, have created deferral programs where people have been able to take a break in making what would otherwise be required payments on mortgages, credit cards and autos. most of those things have subsided and we're way, way down and performance has been good as people have come out of those. it won't be until the first half of next year when we know what the unemployment picture is, what the liquidity picture is for consumers and what charge-offs will be. it feels better today than it did three months ago, and the results have been better in the last three months than were previously predicted

on the business side, there are some specific areas in commercial real estate, specific areas in retail, energy, and transportation that have been obviously hard hit by the pandemic i think we've accounted for those in our own allowance process in terms of building reserves and, again, the realized outcomes have been better than predicted so far so, there's still a lot to learn about the virus and what happens to the economy and what happens to businesses, but it feels better today than it did three months ago for sure. >> do you think this quarter will mark the low for net interest income? >> it's tough to say it depends on loan growth. i think you mentioned in the earlier segment that at least we have been talking about commercial loan growth because the capital markets are so wide open, borrowers are relying less on their banks and then you've got certain categories in the middle market of commercial customers who are carrying very low inventory and, thus,

borrowing less to support that inventory. commercial loans are just much lower than they might otherwise be of course, we're in the mifld a pandemic, so borrowers are probably operating with a little more of a risk awareness higher commercial loan balance would mean higher net interest income, and that for us is probably a swing item between this quarter and the next couple of quarters. on the consumer side, there's still lots of mortgages being originated and loan growth, borrower demand is strong there. credit cards a little less so. but it's improving people have been more reluctant to spend on their credit cards during the pandemic. although that is improving a little bit and people are buying cars so there's plenty of long growth possible in the auto business. >> john, wells fargo, by far, is the worst performing bank stock of the year. really lagging behind. it appears not just this week, but for a while now. we always ask you about the fake account scandal going back to 2016

i know you guys are trying to put it behind you, but clearly there are still issues there, a billion dollars set aside for customer remediation how much longer will this plague the performance? >> i think on that particular point, on customer remediation, it feels like we probably reached the end of it. we are operating with an asset cap. low rate environment, one opportunity that a bank might have is to expand the size of the balance sheet to generate more interest income that opportunity isn't available to wells fargo we have to get through that in order to compete evenly. i think interest income and trajectory, meaningful component pieces of noninterest income, mortgage, card fees, service charges, et cetera, many of which are inflecting nicely since the bottom in q2, those are important for the stock. and then expenses. we talked about the fact that they're too high there's been a lot of money spent to improve the controlled environment and other things in

the company. charlie is committed to a path forward that makes the company expense competitive with its piers. those are the things people need to see and believe in in order to impact the valuation of the company. >> john, you mentioned the asset cap. obviously, this is your last quarter. maybe you can free yourself up a little bit with your views on this you know, you are obviously were cfo when it got put into place in 2018. at that point, did you expect it still to be in place with all that you've done, all the changes that have been made over two years later? do you think the bank has been treated a little bit harshly >> i didn't expect for it to last this long i think where we are today with the team on the field, very constructive engagement with the regulators, everything that needs to be done is being done and my sense is that the company will work through it it's a different team today, operating across the board on many of the issues that have to be improved for that cap to go

away. >> how long till it gets lifted? best guess. >> it's impossible to say. the ball is not in their court otherwise i would give you a gues guess. >> john, just in general, big debate over stimulus and negotiations appear to be at an impasse again today. what kind of visibility do you have into next quarter and the early quarters of 2021, without knowing whether that stimulus money is going to come through for the consumer, and in what form it takes, unemployment benefit benefits, ppp loans, stimulus checks everything is on the table, but nothing is getting done. >> sure. well, i can tell you that the ppp program was very successful for our customers and really helped them where they need it, which is in keeping people on the payroll. we have seen more liquidity build up in the enhanced unemployment benefits and direct stimulus payments and to the extent that those continue, it's

going to bridge people toward a more complete recovery and employment, whenever that comes. and without it, the reverse is probably true. >> john, as we wind this interview up and, as i mentioned already, you've come on through every quarter through thick and thin, and we are really grateful for that 26 years at wells fargo, you've worked at senior positions, including cfo, for the last four ceos who has been the most impressive ceo to work for? >> you know, they've all been different, and in different circumstances. i think charlie, our ceo today, is the exact right guy for what this company needs to do and is doing to transform itself. without a doubt i think the board picked the right person to lead wells fargo. >> with all those changes over 26 years, it's a testament to the fact that you kept your

place throughout all of it congratulations on those 26 years, john. thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much hope to talk to you soon bye. >> did you think he was going to answer that? as current cfo >> i did we kind of got an answer. >> i know. we've got a news alert right now in amazon. deirdre bosa with the details. >> amazon has struck a deal with nfl to carry one playoff game. the source says the game will be available on vichlt acom, cbs channels and streaming platform, amazon prime video subscribers and one of the new wildcard playoffs, according to that report amazon has been boosting its prime offerings and expanding its nfl thursday night football programming. this is another step into live sports back to you. >> deirdre, thank you very much for that. >> hackers are targeting retail

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software we receive aid tour of the dark web. we saw dozens listed from td amertrade to vanguard. accounts on stock trading startup robinhood were listed with the highest price analysts say that could be due to perceptions that robinhood would likely be easier to hack and criminals thinking if they buy those credentials, they're more likely to cash out. s.e.c. warned against these cyber attacks and recommended that additional steps be taken to protect client accounts work from home and a boom in day trading. robinhood telling cnbc they've seen a limited amount of attacks this year and they're rolling out pushed notifications, reminding people to use two factor tho authentication and stronger password. >> is that the dollar price,

$4.50 to get one account's login details? >> it almost looks like a craigslist ad. multiple services saying we've got these credentials. i thought they might be higher they are all in through the single-digit low dollar amounts. >> fascinating kate, thank you. still ahead on the show, national economic council director larry kudlow joins us exclusively to talk about the president's economic plan and, of course, the latest on stimulus negotiations. as we head to break, quick check on bonds for you ten-year note just went positive stocks mostly selling off. dow down 100 points, putting pressure on yields short end of the curve is higher "closing bell" will be right back

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stocks taking a hit after treasury secretary steven mnuchin said getting a stimulus deal done before the election would be difficult and both sides are still far apart on the issues joining us now, national economic council director larry kudlow good to see you. >> thank you, sara appreciate it. >> why can't a deal get done >> it's a heck of a good question i spoke to secretary mnuchin not long ago and, you know, he's frustrated is he so good at this, but the main thing is why is it that our friends, democratic friends on the other side want this

all-or-nothing approach? like zero or everything? we've got certain needs for the economy. the economy is coming back nicely it is a v-shape recovery, in my judgment however, small businesses and the ppp loans would be a tremendous help. unemployment assistance. we did it by executive order that's not going to last forever. that would be a tremendous help. covid-related, specifically covid-related and directed efforts to opening schools, for new equipment and ppe and whatever it takes for testing and keeping the kids safe, that would be a terrific help and from what i gather, there is broad agreement on that. where there's not agreement is really a lot of ideological, political stuff that has nothing to do with the economy or covid. look, sara, i've split the

economic, covid differences. why not get that done now? it would be so helpful and get more and more people back to work, save the small restaurants and small businesses and so forth. why not? >> so, here is my question why not do the full thing? i mean, you're being given a chance to pass $2.2 trillion in spending with weeks until the election that would juice the economy and the stock market, and you keep walking away from that. >> wow walking away wait a sec can we just do that little news item you put out there we aren't walking away we have closed the gap, enormously, okay i'm not sure the senate republicans would buy into it, but we've gone from the administration's original position with about $1 trillion. now we're at $1.8 trillion the senate republican original bill was 500 billion

now they're look at something much larger. we're not walking away every single day chief meadows, mark meadows, steven mnuchin has been on the phone, the rest of us talking at different levels and providing backup you cannot characterize this as walking away. >> i did not mean this as walking way from negotiations. >> i beg your pardon we would never walk away. >> what i mean is you don't want to do all or nothing why not do all why not do the 2.2 trillion to help this economy when you're being offered that chance and at a time that many americans need it. >> we're not being offered that chance i do not want to involve myself in the negotiations, but i will say this, many people -- i want to keep this general -- speaker pelosi will keep stringing us along. we agree to one thing, now it's

another. we agree to another and now it's a third item we have come a very long way here is the question you should be asking. to keep this economy in a v-shaped recovery, to make sure the unemployment hardships, which still exist out there can be dealt with effectively, to help the small businesses, no one disagrees about that -- including, i might add, limited liability insurance, which they've asked for since day one on both sides of the aisle why go all or nothing? why not just agree it a few simple principles and litigate the rest of it later on? you've got plenty of time. i'm just saying that right now, right here, you have a moment where i think you could come together in a sensible, targeted, efficient, smart package. and that's what secretary mnuchin is trying to do. i'm not sure it's over, by the way. you know, he's a great friend of

mine we've worked together at the treasury department. he is always on the phone. i've been with president trump quite a bit. the president, by the way, gave a fabulous speech to the new york economic club today president trump is willing he has said that he is willing to spend a little more if that's what it takes. mnuchin is up there, conveying that message so is chief of staff mark meadows. this is not a time to say all or nothing, okay? i'm sorry, sara. in a negotiation, people have to give on both sides we are down to short strokes i'm not saying it's done or cooked or over i'm just saying there is still time for calmer heads to prevail to help americans across the board and help the kids. jobs and kids. >> larry, it's good to see you it's wilf here switching focus a little bit, i

wanted to ask what you thought about the speed of the president's recovery from covid and if it makes you think that people should be more brave, gung-ho, whatever the word is, and getting back to work, getting back to offices and socializing and going to various hospitality type venues and getting the economy going again. >> look, wilfred, i'll tell you, i spent a goodly amount of time with the president the last 48 hours, preparing this economic speech he looks great he sounds great. and i think all of his old energy has returned. he gave a heck of a speech today, one which you will hear more and more of on the campaign trail about economic growth and prosperity and opportunity, and the conflicts, the divisions with the other side that, frankly, with their high taxes and regulations, are going to move us toward stagnation and pessimism, and perhaps recession as well.

so, that's key he did it beautifully. he answered a whole bunch of questions from smart people. now his view has always been that we should reopen the economy and we should reopen the schools. and lately, it's very interesting to me -- we all talk about scientists and so forth. you've got these chaps from oxford, harvard and stanford leading a petition, doctors, scientists, health care workers and so forth i think there are over 5,000 people who say we must protect the vulnerable, must protect the vulnerable that is preconditions and the elderly, but we cannot keep people bottled up at home. there's a social cost and an economic cost, and child care costs and psychology is too great. that has been the president's message. it's interesting to see all these brilliant thinkers come together and essentially endorse that message

i think the other team would fine the scientists and close the door we don't want that we want the door to be open. the reason there's a v-shape recovery is roughly 80% of businesses the country are open. probably 80% of them were closed last winter. given taxes, low regulations, trade deals, given a chance, this is a terrific opportunity here new business applications are skyrocketing big piece in the wall street journal talked about how entrepreneurs and innovators, despite maybe all the odds of the pandemic, are actually opening up new business left and right. i think that's terrific. we have to keep the incentive policies in place. let's get it open and let's do it smart let's not forget, it has to be done safely. there's no question about that that's an old argument masking, distancing, testing where applicable, and good hygiene. that will give us a v-shape

recovery why not help some who are in need of some help right now? you know unemployed people in small business why not help out can we put the ideological politics aside for a moment and help the country grow its way out of this? >> i think a lot of our viewers would agree with that sentiment, larry. as far as a v-shape recovery is concerned, i don't know that the data stands up to that you mentioned that business is open but yelp shows 60% of the businesses that were closed did not reopen when they were able to do so so, clearly, small business is hurting. layoff announcements from big business nearly every single week disney announced 28,000 people are laid off and we're heading into the winter where restaurants won't be able to do as much business outside. people aren't going to be able to do as much activity outside, and covid cases are set to rise. so, what happens to that v >> i don't know if covid cases

are set to rise. that's a science issue i can't speak to that. here is what i would say new business applications are soaring. everybody has their favorite website. all i can say are the government's stats are very clear. there say housing boom i don't care whether you look at starts, sales, confidence, pending sales. there is a housing boom. we just had a tremendous report from small business, nfib. small business confidence is soaring, okay? it's above year ago levels, which is terrific. we know there's an automobile boom we know there's a manufacturing boom we know there's durable goods boom we know inventories have to be rebuilt because they were rock bottom at the end of the second quarter contraction. we know the atlanta fed gdp is looking at 35% in the third quarter and the blue chip private forecasters are up 29% these are their numbers, not ours i would be thrilled with 20

plus that was my original idea. we know that economic policies matter a lot one of president trump's key messages today, key messages, he said i will deliver optimism, opportunity and growth he said the other side will be pessimism, stagnation and decline because this is no time for cro for across-the-board tax hikes or across-the-board regulation with government taking over the entire health care sector, the entire energy sector i want to add to this, whether we agree or not, the data show from the census bureau and the bureau of labor statistics and the federal reserve, under president trump's economic policy, prepandemic, okay, those who benefited the most were the ones who needed it the most. >> but those are the ones

getting hurt the most now. >> and what i'm talking about, what i'm talking about is middle class and lower-wage folks, whose family incomes have soared, whose household wealth has soared and whose real wages have soared. the least among us have been helped the most. now to your point, what you just uttered, i say yes let's keep in mind that we should help those who need help now, and that's why we should stop doing the ideological politicking and gigantic bill. all you need are a couple of stand-alone bills to refurbish and repurpose the $135 million for ppp. that's easy. all you need is a bill to help give you unemployment insurance well into next year. we need a bill to do it. all you need is another appropriations to help schools reopen and provide assistance to

covid-related matters. this stuff is not hard we shouldn't make it so hard we shouldn't have things about health care assistance, illegal immigrants, harvesting mail-in votes. there are a million things, unfortunately, that the other side wants to push that has nothing to do with economic recovery or covid. let's just common sense do it, and then we can litigate the other stuff. there is an election in three weeks, and we'll see. >> yeah. larry kudlow, thank you very much we'll continue to talk to both sides about it good to get your take, always. >> thank you appreciate it. appreciate it. from the white house, council of economic advisers. dow dn isow133. we'll be right back. hey, dad!

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ten minutes to go in the trading day. we are now in the closing bell markets, with all the action going into the close mike san totoli here, and wealt management ceo josh brownback as we well welcome, josh. we'll kick it off with the broader markets. stocks are under pressure today. majors lower for the second straight day we haven't seen a back-to-back lower day for stocks in about a month, since mid september there are pockets of strength i wanted to ask you about energy, materials and industrials. transports are also higher are you taking these opportunities at all to load up on some of those value, cyclical plays that have shown some signs of life?

>> not really but it's constructive to see energy finally stop getting killed every single day so i wouldn't suggest that today is a bottom, but maybe there should be more m & a the kroncho deal gives people some sense these aren't zeros. that's the most optimistic i can muster for you, sara, on the xle names f you're looking for a place where this rally might stop, particularly on the etf, that would be 34, which was previous support it broke through that level. that will now be the new resistance that's about 10% higher than where it's trading now maybe there's some room to go in these energy names a lot of what's happening, though, today, is through the looking glass. the laggards are leaders and leaders are laggards we've seen these types of days before look at the airlines and cruise lines flip flopping today, for example. look at tech selling off while you see these oil names run.

usually, this is a one or two-day phenomenon i wouldn't be running in and acting like something big is happening because it's probably not true. >> mike, to that point, it does sort of feel quite lethargic today, but we're still higher on the week, other than for the dow. >> we are. the way to think about it is kind of overbought, leading stocks probably needed to take a breather and pull back it's happening in the context of other stuff, you know, outperforming. in other words it's not as if everything is for sale it seems pretty benign at the moment s&p just went back to tag exactly where we close d on friday and maybe we'll see if that holds as a low for a little while anyway. >> eli lilly paused in one of its antibody trials. meg tichlt rrell has that for u. >> lilly points out that the

trial was in hospitalized patients who are typically more severe and farther along in their disease. they're also being given other therapies like remdesivir in addition to the antibody none of their other trials have been paused. those are all in earlier stages of the disease mild to moderate patients are in the prevention setting we talked with lilly's ceo about this situation and what he would say to people who might be worried these trials are moving so fast. >> they might be with worried about are we skipping steps to rush them to market? the answer is no i think this pause is one point of evidence around that. these types of controls are, to my knowledge, certainly all of lilly's programs and in all of the major programs in industry people should be reassured that the controls are in place, to make sure that the data we have and the findings are real, that patients are protected in the process. >> guys, folks can catch more of

this interview with david ricks tonight on nightly news. back over to you. >> meg tirrell they're good to hear on the safety front thank you. meantime, consumers are spending more money during amazon's prime day compared to last year. bertha coombs has the details. bertha >> that's right, sara. amazon saw an average increase in 76% in spending according to edison trends, walmart an average 18%. amazon's competitors aretaking a bit more of its sales. target and best buy doubling share from a year ago to 2%. walmart taking 3% versus 2% last year walmart also getting a jump on the holidays, announcing its black friday plans with three different categories being highlighted and three different events in november so, happy holidays, sara. >> really. bertha, thank you.

black friday started weeks ago at my house, in march. i think that will be a dynamic i would never be in a stock because of prime day, black friday or cyber monday, whatever it is. i think you're either in a company that's growing and taking market share or you're not. and we know what amazon is we know this has the potential to be a $2 trillion market gap this is a company growing revenue 30 some odd percent year over year, consistently. and most of it, most of the growth in revenue is not even having anything to do with the e-commerce component so i'm in amazon i've been for pretty much

forever. i intend to stay one of these days we'll run into a disappointing prime day. i don't think it will be this year. >> ceo dougmcmillen 7:00 a.m. eastern time on "squawk box." united set to report their earning after the close today. phil leebeau has a preview for us. >> nobody is expecting good numbers. all the airlines lost billions of dollars last quarter. the key metric people will be fo focusing on when these nims come out in a few minute, what happened with the daily cash burn remember where they were in march. roughly speaking $50 million a day is what they were losing q2 they brought it down to $40 million. most analysts believe it will be around $25 million for the third quarter. that he keet metric to keep an eye on after we get the numbers in a few minutes, tune in tomorrow morning, "squawk box" at 8:40. do not miss this interview

we'll be talking exclusively with united ceo scott kirby. we'll talk about the numbers and his outlook as they look toward a path to getting back to break even and getting past covid-19. >> thank you we look forward to the numbers and interview tomorrow the airlines are the reverse of the market today, mike, down yesterday but up slightly today. >> all the big ones are basically these depleting piles of cash and a call action on the world getting back to normal i think delta, southwest are in a better spot relative to the other others. >> what else are you seeing, mike >> not outright negative it's just slightly negative, almost a 50/50 split on the new york stock exchange between advancing decline. it shows you it's very kind of

rotational type action, not just a pure sell-off. take a look at the cloud etf against oil services this is an example of the kind of action we're seeing today coming out of the kind of glamour growth stocks and into some of the dirtier old economy stuff, at least on a one-day basis. volatility index is perky again, gotten above 26. no real change in that story just still a bit through the election, wilf. >> under one minute left mike, thank you. we're selling off a little bit in the close off the lows that came a couple of hours ago the dow is down 165 points, nasdaq down 0.8% in terms of sector performances, industrials, energy, materials stay in the green. other the eight sectors are in the red, discretionary and consumer services the worst. banks have had a bad intra-day performance. wells fargo, bank of america

down 5% as we approach the close. kpw bank index, which had been positive most of the session, is down 2%. and goldman sachs, two investment banks that are almost in the red as we approach the close. goldman giving up so much of the gains of the last two days headed back to the broader indexes, we are down two-thirds of one percent. >> got a little tick lower into the close. welcome back to "closing bell." i'm sara eisen with wilfred frost and mike santoli take a look at how we finished up the day on wall street. those gains went away pretty quickly. closed down 165 on the dow united health care was the biggest drive on the dow some of the winners were at the bottom of the pack like salesforce, home depot, disney and walmart. s&p down .6%

technology, which had shined earlier this week, was on the back burner today. strength in groups like energy and materials and industrials. .8%, russell 2000 closing lower on the day by almost a percent financials not a help there. weaker after their results, which continues the trend pretty much that we've seen so far this week investors are ready for earnings from united airlines, which will report results in a few minute, instant analysis for those numbers as soon as they are out. >> plus an interview with the world bank president david malpass. he talks about the impact if the u.s. is unable to pass a stimulus bill. first to you, mike, some of the selling being blamed on mnuchin saying it's not looking likely we'll get a stimulus deal before the election. is that what's moving the market here >> it's vaguely timed for

something like that if you look at when the market rolled over today, around the time of those headlines. kinds of stocks that got hit most and got outperformed don't fit too well with a narrative that says bankers were depending on a push. the headline reflex and the psychological effect, i'm not sure that's what was really going on s&p up 8% this week, in about three weeks. it made a run at the old highs a little bit stretched i think you have this relatively natural process of settling back kind of benign, churning action. a few percent on the downside before you have to look at it looking like anything like that. there were a lot of opposing currents buying the laggards just for a day. >> sara, it's hard to point exactly what the reason for the selling was, but we also got more news of worsening case

counts and lockdowns across europe over the course of today. does the u.s. market need to be worried about that, or provided we don't see the same level of case counts or lockdowns in the u.s., can it shrug those kind of headlines off? >> surprising case counts is definitely something we're watching we're more focused on mortalities and hospitalization rates which are not rising at the same rate. kind of sell on the river kind of day, a handful of disappointing earnings earning season will end up net positive with a lot of surprises, with estimates down over 20% year over year. we think company also beat the outlook will be tougher then with the election, lack of stimulus and timing of a vaccine still with big question marks around them. we won't get the clarity from managements we need to see therefore, growth stocks will be the ones that will continue to perform well because they'll print the strong earnings number throughout this reported earnings season.

>> my other question, sarah, is on that idea we've heard this a bunch earnings are going to look so good because they're going to beat but they're beating analyst's expectations that are flying blind because the companies didn't give guidance are the stocks really going to be rewarded for these beats? >> i think these beats on some of these growth stocks with resilient models may be a reminder why you want to pay a premium for them what will be tougher are cyclical that for that v-shape recovery to happen you need a stimulus package in place, path to a vaccine, and the election to move behind us. if the democrats do win or even sweep, we think that's positive for cyclicals. nearer term, more resiliency, own your growth companies, but start to look at cheap value like small caps can companies that can have lerchl once we get that vaccine and stimulus in place, which we do expect to come, but not likely this quarter or fourth quarter. >> josh, are you expecting the election to create more of a pullback as we approach election

day, or do you think the market has already gone through its election-related jitters a month or so ago? >> i just feel like this year, in particular, we've already been focused on this being an unruly election for like the entire year. so if we have a, quote, contested election, or there's last-minute shenanigans or more screaming about the mail-in ballots or whatever, no one is going to be like, oh, my god i can't tell you how many sell side notes have piled up in my email literally for months about what does it mean if it's contested? let's look at al gore and george w. bush. it's like endless. everyone already expects a slow-moving train wreck. so i really don't, wilf, see this to be like something that will rattle the market what i've been most interested in seeing lately is the shift in narrative. o wait, biden is good now, but it's only good if it's biden plus the house and senate.

and so if you look at like 538 they're saying only a 65% chance that all of those things happen, which to me sounds more like 50/50, given we know how people answer polls untruthfully. that would really be the biggest surprise if it happens, markets will fly because then big-time stimulus is a feta com plea the big surprise to the upside not the downside is the way i would think about the election. >> let's talk a little bit about the banks. more are reporting this morning. goldman sachs moved higher, smashing earnings off expectations. >> barely. >> closed up 0.2%. thanks, josh and wells fargo and bank of america both closed down sharply, close to 6% for wells, over 5% for bank of america, as net interest income, in particular, disappointed wells fargo cfo john shrewsberry

talking about the consumer. >> on the consumer side, there are still lots of mortgages being originated and loan growth or borrower demand is strong there. credit cards a little less so but it's improving people have been more less likely to spend on their credit cards during a pandemic and people are buying cars plenty of long growth possible in the auto business. >> josh brown, what's your take away from all the banks? bank of america and wells fargo, relatively constructive on the consumer, given the state of the economy. but have we learned because of the low yield curve that the commercial banks aren't still the place to be? >> yeah. like all the highlights from the bank reports have been focused on capital markets, ipos, investment banking and trading but the street doesn't give these companies an increased multiple even when they have

outstanding results, as they have on those lines of business, because the street doesn't see those lines of business as being like reliable or sustainable so what the banks really need is, i thinks a scenario where the yield curve steepens, there's more net interest margin and they start getting some more credit for some of the innovation that they're doing. goldman and jp morgan are great examples, getting deeper and deeper in things like asset management, online banking but nobody cares it's almost irrelevant what they tell the street they've been able to accomplish in that arena. one day maybe that changes so i think they're worth owning, but i wouldn't be expecting anything out of these stocks it's too many headwinds and sentiment is not turning any time soon. >> sara, what's the problem with wall street and the banks and the share price reaction are they worth owning?

do you agree with josh >> i agree with josh tough path for the banks, if it's a blue wave, we have higher regulations, lower interest rates, tougher net interest income we're sticking to higher quality, more diversified banks, goldman sachs, jp morgans of the world. questions around their cost cutting and ability to restructure their business not huge fans of the sector generally. >> mike, morgan stanley is down only 1%, wells fargo down 57%. that is an astonishing price differential, even despite those fundamental drivers and how different they are for the two types of banks. >> it is certainly reflects, to some degree, the way that this year has developed in terms of financial markets and people leveraged toward, you know, wealth and financial markets have done better than, you know, your main street economy to some

degr degree i think business mix is a big part of it for the entire group they're not being treated any differently than the super cheap-looking stocks without a lot of growth in other sectors rank the s&p 500 by the cheapest, you know, stocks on this year's earnings, it's going to be life insurers, old media companies like viacom and discovery, and it's going to be generic drugmakers in other words, every sector has this issue the thing is with financials most of them are in that category and the mark has no time for pure value stocks, at least at the moment, with yields where they are, and with this obsession with secular growth stocks. >> finally, josh, to round out the conversation on elections and sectors, do you buy into the idea that sectors will be hit differently, depending on the outcome of the presidency, of course, and congress if so, are you positioning that way? are you buying solar stocks, for instance, or are banks worth avoiding, energy stocks?

all these sectors have big implications, no matter who wins. >> i used to think that. but then i spent 20 years in the industry and all i've ever seen is that kind of stuff get priced too much in advance of the election and than get unwound after and really simple, recent example to illustrate that point is everyone screaming when donald trump won, he's going to deregulate energy, going to deregulate finance therefore, the best performing sectors are going to be banks and oil. over the last four years, those are the worst two performing sectors and those were supposed to be the trump trade, deregularitied finance. >> true. >> and deregularitied energy you should really not do that stuff. and when you start reading an article and somebody is talking about that, that's your cue to like click away to the next article or check your phone, or do something else. because it really is not a way to invest. it doesn't work. it's not going to work

it never did work. it's a much better conversation on tv than it is portfolio maneuver. >> josh and sara, thanks so much for joining us great to see you both. >> thank you. up next, we'll break down united airline earnings, expected to be released any moment now we'll be right back in 90 seconds. seismic or small, it continues. change is all around us. shaped by technology and human ingenuity, we can make it work for you and your business.

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let's go back to mike santoli, taking a look at the sector that shined today, mike. >> it really did look at the levels from which it's bouncing right now. this is a chart of the energy sectors weighting in the s&p 500 taechlts basically s&p numbers two spikes of one after the gulf war and the china commodities in '07, '08, oil over to $100 down to 2% of the s&p 5 h00, fie individual stocks that have a larger weighting than the entire energy sector does this is what it means. it's hard to make a fundamental bull case outright if you want to buy the stuff that's been hated the most and neglected the most, energy rises so far energy sectors price to sales ratio or dividend yield compared to the s&p 500 any valuation measure you want to use, energy versus the rest of the market, it will look good compared to the rest of the s&p. it's about three times energy

you have right now people are not really believing it, wanting it they believe there's too much downside exxon and chevron are about half, together are half of the xle. you have big, slow moving majors maybe one of them, at least doesn't have that safe dividend much that's what you're saying the sector is kind of begging you to be a contrarian but it doesn't make it easy. >> what's the bull case, besides the fact that it's so cheap? we'll see more yields? concho popped today. >> there's definite ay story line that the over capacity could get mopped up through m & a. energy stocks have vastly underperformed crude in theory, if you have a little bit of a faster global growth, you take up the excess supplies of the commodities themselves and could tighten things up slightly it's unclear if that's going to be enough to overtake the kind of messy balance sheets in a lot of the sector and things like that there's always going to be kind of a cloud around every silver lining. >> i guess the other attempted bull case i've seen put out

there over the last three years, not necessarily this year, but for this sector is comparing them to the tobacco stocks 15 years ago. >> yes. >> when public opinion was moving geps them in the same way it is against fossil fuels, but then those stocks still performed very well over an extended period of time, largely because of their strong cash flows and dividends. >> that's right. >> i wonder if today the market cares less about those strong cash flows and dividends. >> strong cash flows, dividends and pricing power. you were able to raise price a lot in tobacco you haven't been able to do that with energy. >> mike, thanks for that. united airlines earnings are out. phil lebeau has them for us. phil >> hey, wilf united losing $8.16 a share. the consensus estimate was for a loss of $7.53 a share. i'm not sure that's a huge surprise to people, given all the things that were moving around in the third quarter. revenue, a little bit lower than expectations at $2.48 billion.

the estimate was for $2.5 billion. the company ended the third quarter with $22.29 billion in debt its liquidity, the metric people will be focused on, liquidity at $19.4 billion and cash burn level, it burned $25 million a day. remember, that's coming down from $40 million a day in q2 that's what people were expecting. trip out debt and severance payments couple of important notes here one, the company in this earnings report is not giving guidance on a break even date. though my guess is we will probably hear about that during the conference call tomorrow it does believe, however, it does have enough liquidity to make it through this covid-19 pandemic again, guys, a greater than expected loss for united don't miss our exclusive interview tomorrow morning on "squawk box. we'll be talking with scott kirby at 8:40. you do not want to miss this interview, not only to talk about these numbers but more

importantly, what he's expecting over the next couple of quarters guys, back to you. >> phil lebeau, thank you. with united down a little more than a percent after hours first reaction to those numbers. tonight, don't miss "shephard smith reports: air travel in turmoil," from pilots to airport taxi drivers who are struggling to keep their industry alive that is tonight 8:00 p.m. eastern time. >> up next on this show world bank president david malpass discusses how a potential stimulus deal in washington could impact the global economy. >> as a reminder, watch or listen to us live on the go on 'll cnbc app webe right back on "closing bell." incomparable design makes it beautiful. state of the art technology makes it brilliant.

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welcome back disney responding to senator elizabeth warren's criticism of the company. julia boorstin has details for us. >> that's right, disney responding to a letter from senator warren, asking the company for details on the announcement of layoffs, stock buybacks, dividend payouts and high executive pay may have exacerbated current problems disney released a statement

saying, senator warren's misinformed letter contains a number of inaccuracies we've unequivocally demonstrated our ability to operate responsibly with strict health and safety protocols in place at all of our theme parks worldwide with the exception of disneyland resort in california where the state has prevented us from reopening even though we have reached agreement. they're using this to justify their layoffs whereas warren is putting pressure on them for other things back to you. >> it's not the first time disney has been under pressure with how it's treated and prioritized workers, including from heiress abigail disney, julia. >> yes disney has faced questions in the past about discrepancy

between executive pay and the pay of its lower workers i would expect disney to say this in response to senator warren when they announced furloughs of many employees they announced pay cuts across disney ranks, chairman bob iger forego his salary and chairman cut his salary in half this is something that disney has been addressing over the course of this epidemic, pandemic. >> but still paying the dividend julia, thank you julia boorstin. global growth is set to be weak this year, 4.4% with a bumpy, uneven recovery next year, according to the imf i spoke exclusively with world bank president david malpass take a listen. >> in some of the advanced

economies, the recessions are less deep than had been feared for the developing countries, i'm afraid outside china, apart from china, many of the developing countries are worse than had been earlier expect ed so, it's this unequal process of recovery going on. >> what about u.s. stimulus? there's a huge debate right now over whether to do more, how much to do what would it do for the global economy if the u.s. injected more fiscal stimulus >> this is an unprecedented crisis, and the amount of stimulus already being inserted into the global economy, i think, is also unprecedented it's not just the u.s., but it's europe, it's japan and what that means is that there's more demand. you know, people spend some of that money, but for the developing countries, not much of it really reaches them. so my real focus is on the

poorer countries they don't have the capacity to do this kind of fiscal stimulus, and their central banks can't be buying assets the way that the central banks in the advanced economies are doing. so, it poses a real problem, because the economies are slow, and there's not much sign of a recovery yet. >> what are we looking at in terms of your fears about the developing world, defaults >> yeah. one problem is the debt overhang that is not going to challenge the global system the way it has in previous crises, because many of these debts, these amounts owed are to the bond market, euro bonds, for example, and also to china. and so these are not going to really undermine the international system, but what it does do is causes the poorest

countries to have to keep making payments that's what we've been focused on, to try to have a suspension of the payments and then a longer term solution for these countries. >> at the same time, there's still so much uncertainty. we learned that europe is now overtaken the u.s. in terms of new positive covid-19 cases. second wave concerns, as it gets colder outside what would that do to this recovery >> for the advanced economies, we'll have to see how they handle it. one of the challenges is with the schools closed and people aren't able to go to work because they're taking care of their kids, and the learning goes backwards that's a particular problem in the developing world we think there are 1 billion children out of school in the developing world, waiting, really, for the recovery to take hold so if there's a second wave, that's a concern but i'm mostly focused on this first wave

the number of people in extreme poverty looks like it's going to go up by 150 million people in 2021, which is a giant backward, or worsening of the poverty conditions in the world because of the pandemic and the shutdowns. >> i don't think we've seen that kind of step backwards since, what, 1998, during the asian financial crisis what are the solutions >> the solutions, i think, are to find some kind of treatment we passed $12 billion to help the poorer countries purchase vaccines, therapeutics and distribution systems once those are available and developed. we'll want to move quickly if there is a medical improvement that's available and the other part is trying to keep core businesses open and

running, and available that means electricity, water systems and food distribution systems all going during the crisis so, we're quite focused on that. we have a lot of cash flow. >> you mentioned the 12 billion you'll help get vaccines and treatments the u.s. has spent $10 billion on operation warp speed. are you concerned that the u.s. will be prioritized? we've already got deals with all the major manufacturers, vaccines and treatments. >> we're also working with manufacturers. ifc has a $4 billion platform that will help manufacturers who want to distribute into the poorer countries so i think there will be a big moment by the manufacturers to have a fair, equitable distribution around the world. i'm not so worried about people buying up the doses.

we have money available that countries can choose how to buy, what services they need, what vaccines they need when those are available. >> david malpass, president of the world bank wichlt wilfred, to me, he was sounding the alarm on the poorest countries of the world, putting a line between the advanced countries. we're haggling with the stimulus and so many countries don't have the privilege of being able to pass a fiscal or monetary stimulus because of their central bank positions and debt positions. he's worried about defaults. he's worried about a billion children, a billion children in the developed world not being able to go to school and a second wave potentially prolonging that process, and 150 million people entering extreme poverty next year, which means living off $1.90 per day for me, it was a wake-up call

for countries that we don't necessarily talk about every single day on cnbc when i asked him afterwards which countries he's most worried about, he said india, ethiop ethiopia, a number of african countries that are most populated and also among the poorest. >> fascinating there and implications for the dollar as we move into next year and get through the current bumps will be interesting as well market claflash. >> revenue came in a little less than expected. fastly announcing third quarter revenue to 70 to usage of fastly's platform by previously disclosed largest customer, tiktok, did not meet expectations, resulting in a poor responding significant reduction in revenue from this customer of course, fastly has been one of the huge winners this year.

it is up 500% year to date and up more than 1,000% since the march low. we will learn much more about those third quarter results when the company reports october 28th i'll send it back to you you can see it's tanking after hours, down about 27%, wilf. >> big time. thank you. fed vice chair predicting it could take a year or more for the u.s. economy to recovery kkr's head of global macro and asset allocation henry mcvey will join us about the possibilities of an economic bounceback of 5g nationwide. and, in more and more cities, the unprecedented performance of ultra wideband. the fastest 5g in the world. it will change your phone and how businesses do everything. i'm proud, because we didn't build it the easy way, we built it right. this is the 5g america's been waiting for. only from verizon.

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the u.s. may still have a long road ahead in its economic recove recovery, richard clarida telling u.s. finance today it could take a year or more for u.s. economy to get back to its prepandemic levels henry mcvey, head of global macro and assr you have views from rich clarida like that. at the same time a different approach to the fed, less tied to holding its inflation target now. what's your view as to whether or not we will get more inflation than expected in the next couple of years if so, what's the best way to be positioned for that? >> thanks for having me. in the near term, the bigger risk is deinflammatiflation not. aside from used cars you're

seeing a slow down in services that's the near term the federal reserve is focused on that. that's why they changed their policy what we were highlighting to investors in our latest piece is just that, you know, if we've been in an environment where it's been risk on, the fed also gave an important warning bell one fed governor dissent, and they talked about financial stability. and what they're trying to do is make sure the money gets into the economy, but maybe not as fast, as quickly into the markets. i think they're happy with where the markets are, financial conditions are easy. credit spreads are tight and valuations are fair to full, depending on the metric. kkr, we continue to talk about this as a square root recovery, which is we have a big jump up and then we have a more modest growth and listening to you and your team earlier, that's what we're seeing the rate of change will slow as we go into the winter. cases pick up a little bit

our base view, though, is that we've already had a recession. we're going to have a recovery we want to be invested inthat recovery, you know, through june 30th we've invested abouted 30 billion globally around the world on behalf of our limited partners and that's been to take advantage of some themes that we think are really important and i can get into those, but our view is that it will be a recovery there's more stimulus coming regardless of which administration, and when you look outside the u.s., europe has a much better game plan than they did after the 2009 downturn with the reconstruction fund and, you know, when we look at asia, we're the largest player in asia in the alternative space we're seeing a lot of recovery in china and that is now extending into things such as services you saw that in the data over the last week. during their golden week you saw domestic flights pick up, hotel usage pick up. and there's encouraging signs for investors that those trends

ultimately will come to the u.s. and to europe. >> henry, given how far markets have come, they come roaring back and valuations, broadly speaking, don't look that great. what themes do present a good risk/reward right now, whether it's in the private or public markets? >> yeah, okay. we mostly traffic in the private markets. so i'll speak to our first pivot during the downturn was really around data usage and digitalization we've done that through infrastructure as well through private equity and we've been very active in europe and asia around that. we've also, i think, done a lot around e-commerce, which makes sense, just given the prevailing trends where do we go from here we're still very positive on housing. when you look at the supply/demand characteristics, particularly in the u.s., there's a lot that can be done and we would stay constructive on that area and i think unlike most

downturns, both housing and autos this time actually have not gotten hit they're actually improving this whole notion of personal safety or what we call nesting, like after 9/11, what you saw is u.s. consumers traveled more locally. they did more home improvement and that's a similar trend that's playing out and that's very constructive in europe, we've invested behind a stay-cation idea in the netherlands and we think that's going to work out well those are a couple of themes obviously, we stay very focused, which i heard earlier in the show you were mentioning we're doing a lot around food safety, health safety and environmental safety if you look at what's happening, technology's priority number one in china number two is actually the environment. and then you look at what's going on in europe with the green package and ultimately if you get a biden administration, that could be a big part of it we have a dedicated impact fund where we focus on those issues,

but more importantly that infrastructure and social governance, i would say, focus is just important to us. >> henry, thanks for joining us. great to see you. >> thank you up next on the show, we will speak to the chief research officer at hackensack meridian health, the first to participate in moderna's vaccine study we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ "hmm's and ahh's" heard in-call. ♪

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yesterday, eli lilly announced that its antibody clinical trial would be paused this, after johnson & johnson announced their vaccine trial would be paused after an adverse reaction with a patient. we're still awaiting details on both joining us now, from hackensack university medical ospital, also the first patient to receive the vaccine from moderna. when did you first take the vaccine and did you have any side effects >> i was the first volunteer last year. september 28th was my first injection, and then about ten days ago, i received my second injection. i feel fine. i did not have any, i believe, adverse effects and i don't know

what i received, whether i received the placebo or the actual vaccine of course, i hope i received the vaccine, but i don't know. >> are you nervous when you see these reports about polls suggesting the population are less inclined to take the vaccine than they were even months ago >> yeah. that doesn't surprise me people are afraid to participate or even to get a vaccine when a vaccine comes out. and what i will say to them is there always are some risks. there are risks with the influenza vaccine but we have to put everything into proportion our agencies are doing what they're supposed to do they're monitoring for a severe, adverse events we see two trials that have been stopped because of possible events and i think the safeguards are there. and i will say that, sure, be worried, be concerned, but don't

be afraid. don't be afraid to take the vaccine. >> so, your hospital network, new jersey's largest, 17 hospitals, has been in the eye of the storm as we understand it, you've had to convert the cafeteria into a covid unit, have been on the front lines of this thing for a while and are doing trials for regeneron and therapeutics what's your thoughts as we head into a second wave, how prepared we are, from treatments to techniques and everything that's been learned >> our system took care of over 13,000 patients since everything started in march with the first patient coming to hackensack university medical center. over that time, our clinicians, our physicians, our nurses, our pharmacists have really learned what therapeutics to use very early on, our clinical investigators developed a covid-19 research steering committee, and we were very

early participants in a number of trials. we worked with remdesivir, of course we were part of the mayo study for convalescent serum and our own physicians developed, investigated, initiated trials using supercharged convalescent serum. as we head into the second wave, our teams have advised us to develop some new trials. we are part of the regeneron monoclonal antibody trials we're looking for new ways to treat this disease. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. going back to 1987 when my dad sat down with presidential candidate joe biden. his take then on taxes and the budget deficit, and more ian teieth h ner been seen before. we're back in a couple of minutes. ok, just keep coloring there...

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a two-hour interview with vice presidential nominee joe

biden would be hard to come by nowadays but this one was from the last time he ran for president and then with drew >> i don't think any candidate, democrat or otherwise can deal with a budget deficit without -- by saying under no circumstances can there be taxes because in order to increase it enough to really impact on a deficit, you would in fact cause a reception in my view and to impact on it marginally would just raise further suspicion about the democratic party's willingness -- ability

to manage the party without benefit. but i think a president has to look and should never foreswear there won't be circumstances where they need new revenues but more important than new revenues and budget cuts is macroeconomic problems, third world debt, they impact more on our ability to get the economy under way than any $5 billion tax increase or $10 billion spending increase. >> you can hear more about that interview with the frost tapes podcast. i am getting a history lesson listening to it. you have always pointed out the parallels between then and now, but on this discussion of the deficit it is there as well. >> the theme is unbelievably similar. i was only two when this

happened the deficit then was $155 billion, or 3% of gdp, the stuff of dreams in today's terms, today it's estimated to be 3.7 trillion or 18% gdp. today we are likely to end the year at 136% gdp different scale but similar feel >> we had just gone through this period towards the end of an expansion and the deficits were constant although interest rates were higher so in theory the interest burden seemed more scary than it perhaps did then this was when biden was gearing up to run for the democratic nomination in '88 which he did for a little while we have changed the magnitude, but the conversation is the

same, whether we can afford this level of deficit and what's the best way to attack >> and whether the democrats are at risk on not being credible. the other thing that stands out is how young he looks and sounds and how long he has wanted to be president. >> his energy, charisma definitely come across clearly if you listen to the full interview on the podcast it remains to be seen whether listeners welcome that difference or really notice the difference in a negative way, but that's one of the things that come across the full 45-minute version of the best 45 minutes of the 2 hours is available on the podcast. >> definitely download it today. joy qui quick, what you are looking at tomorrow after two days of back-to-back losses.

>> modest losses one thing hard not to notice is that stocks with reported earnings have not traded well. i am not sure if that will be a theme throughout the earnings season, but today and yesterday the market was unimpressed because investors believed everybody was going to beat the forecast by quite a bit. >> we are out of town. thanks for watching. "fast money" starts now. >> i'm melissa lee tonight on fast we are going round two on the banks one of our traders says this is the best looking chart in all of the financial. that name straight ahead # and fastly is down big why a tiktok takedown is to blame. we start off with an