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if j. powell says all we can do is lend money. if the market is in acute need, maybe that's when this arrangement doesn't sit as well with investors there were some losers banks were down about 5% "fast money" starts right now. >> i'm melissa lee and this is "fast money. tonight on fast, the post-election pop. results rolling. what drove today's big rally and find out if we are headed for more gains plus we are tracking after hours action soaring on results. we have reaction to the quarter lat later. and we are talking cars and casinos. but the latest, it is projected
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that michigan will go to biden that brings biden's electoral votes to 253 but there are still six uncalled races too close to call. pennsylvania, georgia, north carolina, arizona. joe biden issued a speech. diana? >> he issued a speech last night about being patient. but now he is on the offensive he said respect and he talked about achievements, talking about garnering more votes than any other president in history then he used his fighting people >> we the people will not be silenced we the people will not be
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bullied. we the people will not surrender. my friends, i am confident we will emerge victorious >> part of that was the launch of a new campaign that bide enl tweeted he was starting a fight fund because donald trump doesn't get to decide the outcome of the election, the american people do it made the point. and then he left presumably to start the fight. >> thank you, diana. as the trump campaign launches a legal campaign >> they have indicated they will fight this let me run you through exactly what they were talking about in terms of the argument for the path forward for the trump campaign they said they are declaring
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victory in pennsylvania although vote counting is going on. they say there is too much trump voting in butler, and blair county which they call trump county we will see if that's right. the biden people say they have a chance there they are saying that arizona call for biden should be retracted. they are also saying they are confident trump will win north carolina and georgia they said they expect an election win friday. we saw a rushed press conference by rudy giuliani alleging all kinds of wrongdoing and
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conspiracy against the trump campaign this is a campaign spoiling for a fight. we will see how much further they take that given that the michigan decision gives joe biden quite a few paths to 270 >> just to underscore this, the trump campaign has only offered allegations so far and no hard evidence >> and at the same time they are saying they are declaring victory in pennsylvania, but that's not the way it works. it is not declared by the campaign, but by the state itself >> let's go to the market reaction the market is surging. big tech leading the gain. shares of apple, microsoft and amazon jumping 4% or more. bank stops and materials were all down what does this tell us about
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yesterday's vote guy, your take >> tim spoke about this, i know dan has as well. it is more important what happened in the senate than the presidential election. that is extraordinarily important, but the fact that the democrats didn't have the weight they were hoping for situation some of the concerns twofold probably, the potential -- maybe the situation with china, maybe whatever tensions the market perceives them to be with president trump are somehow alleviated under a potential president biden administration that's why you saw tech move the way it has today nasc nasdaq, you are back to levels we saw two weeks ago
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the september high is still in the cross hairs, but i don't think we will get there. i think what we will see now is some of the vitriol coming from the other side of this it will take volatility at 40. here we are. i think the trade is probably -- >> this is the biggest volatility index decline in months we saw gains in big tech, 8% for face bach -- facebook 6% higher for alphabet what do you do with the backdrop, tim? >> we all try to be accountable and stay consistent. i said i thought the triple qs would hit 245, 250 before he would hit 300. that's in a world where i thought we would see more of a change out of the gop into the
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blues in congress. tax base selling and certainly possible increases in corporate taxes that are at least off the table. the other part of that is you seemingly have -- you buy the names that is are conservative big balance sheets the only growth you have is in tech i think that's the other side of the tech the market got what they wanted if the status quo stays where they are i will let the political folks go at it i think you have a case where volatility has come down you have had such a great rally, 7.5% off the lows friday 6.5% off the lows of the s&p
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the market, as always, seems to be the one place getting the overall dynamics of the politics right. the market got some sense that, okay, he would probably won't know we will have a good sense as we come in, but i do think it will get a little wilder ahead. after a big rally, is don't think you need to chase this i also don't think there is anything in terms of macrothat will change the market in the short to medium term >> i have a question about what we have seen in technology and some of the other sectors. if this is the goldilocks scenario with a president that will be tough and a democratic strong hold in the house, why wouldn't it be more broad-based unless you think we are going to get a smaller stimulus, economic growth will be slower and you want to be in sectors that have more economic growth
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>> i think that's a big part of it we will jet jerome powell tomorrow and i think he will be disappointed i think he was looking for help, trying to pass the baton to treasury and congress. i think a boyd enadministration with a blue senate majority was willing and able to accept that baton and go forward to me, when you see rates, the ten-year treasury reverse the way it did today in front of that fed meeting and then surging the way it did, this may be a tough slog. we may have a consumer really stretched heading into the holiday season with not a lot of help right as this virus is surging again. what do the mitigation efforts look like and what do they do to the economy? you go back into the big tech. i am key on what powell says
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tomorrow and if that will cause volatility in the market i don't like the way we closed here off the highs. i think we are probably ready after a low on friday, up 7% at the height this morning and just three trading days, i think we could probably come back into 3400 there is tons of uncertainty this election will be contested and that uncertainty, i don't think investors will like, especially after a sharp rally >> remember back bush v gore, it took a month i am not saying it is a completely parallel situation, but it could be a month before we get resolution. james, you were skeptical about the tech trade, but here it looks like tech technology is the place to be.
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>> it is important to put our thinking caps ton. look at history to teach us something. tech is going to come down 73% have come since march. the average earnings ratio in the nasdaq is at 35. the top ten are 134. we are at all time highs of gdp of tech market we have unprecedented risk, political risk, tax risks, dpge political risk things that lead us up the fastest come down the fastest. all of my predecessors have mentioned volatility we want to protect the profits from this sector >> james, you mentioned
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regulatory and taxes, don't those concerns abate with the power structure it looks like we will have in washington now? >> even though the power structure is less unfriendly to china. we will not hear the china virus any more but we had stale mates coming into 2020. china has something called the five-year plan we know about it when five-year plan emphasize a 150 lift on average in if industrial and investment. their plan involves energy and 5g they are at the center point at what will be the hottest commodity. i don't think the risk is lower with biden i think it increases because there is more at stake >> tony joins us great to have you with us.
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what is your interpretation of this rally into i think it is a reversal of the prior two days before we came on i was looking at btx, it closed exactly where it was on friday there was kind of an inappropriate anticipation of this blue wave and that was reversed with today's decision -- or lack of decision. to me the reason the market went up more than anything was it took out the extreme tail risks because the house lost some dem votes and it looks like the senate keeps its status. it also takes away the massive stimulus the market was anticipating so to me it just neutralized
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what was going on before >> what does that mean for the market's trajectory? >> i am bullish. i have proven i am not the greatest trader of all time. if you have taken out the tail risk, what are you left with inflation, excess liquidity to a historic degree and the beginning of a synchronized recovery our view, pause you have taken out some of the tail risk, i think you want to take out any of the risk meaning get into risk based on global growth rather than fear >> tony, it's tim. help us with the macrobecause the presumption was the dollar would go lower and rates would go higher. what do you expect that even before we started pricing in
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blue wave, it was showing it was running out of some steam. these industrial trades, resource trades i think are very much in play >> absolutely. you had an inappropriate run-up two days before an election that was tote lit uncertain the time to risk wasn't monday it was after the rally the vix spiked above 40 last wednesday. i don't think there is any change in our outlook. we are in a weaker framework over the next three to six months which means emerging cyclical cap and commodities i don't see any change there we are going to be a little more volatile until he would figure out who will be the president, but ultimately as i wrote today, the most powerful person in
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washington, d.c., it was ben ber nc -- bernake and then janet yellen >> we see europe shutting down see that we might take more aggressive mitigation. you look back to 2019, s&p had no earnings growth but went up this year we have significant earnings, down 20% and a market up 7%. what does that leave for 2021 without a major fiscal stimulus? >> great question. i think you will get fiscal stimulus, but let's look at the difference
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you didn't know what covid-19 was, what it would do to the economy. we shut it down. not slowed it dpoown, not open t up for outdoor dining. shut it down we didn't know how fed would react. since then companies have extended maturities. everybody is borrowing money at his tore commit low rates. that is what has driven the excess liquidity that could get us there in that previous instance we didn't know about that liquidity and what kwould push the shutdown >> thank you the notion that liquidity, low
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rate, smaller than we need, et cetera and there is a pandemic going on, by the way >> the only time the market has had a hiccup is when the fed has signaled they want to pass the baton from monetary to fiscal. i think this is worth pointing out. tony mentioned a run-up in industrial names karen spoke to that, if you remember, with uri she was questioning why uri had rallied to the magnitude it had. and then you see a name like that down 24 or 25 dollars on a day like today there were a lot of weird things leading up to this you want to talk about tail risk, the president has been outspoken if joe biden was
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elected, the 401ks would be devastated, you pull out the other recession-depression type thing. if the market would rally when it becomes clear there is going to be a new administration, there is serious tail risk associated with that if you start to do the calculus in your head that is very concerning to me. >> coming up, a ballot box bonanza. initiative that sent these stocks soaring
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welcome back to "fast money. believe it or not there is news outside the election shares of qualcomm are surging after a big earnings report. guy, where do you go with this one? >> you stay with qualcomm. 132 was a prior high a couple weeks or two ago we are through that. if you look at the quarter they just posted, not only did they have a ridiculous fourth quarter
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in terms of eps, they gave guidance for the first quarter it was spectacular people will say it is still expensive. that is true maybe you have to do it back to that previous 132, but qualcomm happens to be one of those chip names we haven't talked about for a long time on "fast money." >> that's right. that's big in today's environment. we already saw chip gain even in the wee hours of the morning based on the election results we got at that point. >> listen, these guys are going to benefit right now just as a cyclical play. they probably have good visibility as relates to the smartphone, probably more things going on in cyclical areas of tech that they sell into apple a 10% customer, samsung a 10% customer
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i mention valuation, intel can't get out of its own way two horrible quarters in a row there is one ripe for activist activity to me that is really cheap in the mid 40s. >> and another alert shares jumping and the company said sales jumped over 150%. james, this was your fast pitch. here we are up 2 1/2%. what do you think now? >> i think the best is yet to come this company is doing everything right, have incredible power opportunity. you can compare them -- they are analogous to amazon in the u.s. ten years ago. if you can get half of latin
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america paying the rent, the stock would be up ten times from here >> a cross-section of tech and en perfect place. >> try saying analogous and mercadolibre in the same sentence >> tim >> you broke through what are essentially 2 1/2 year highs you broke through last year's resistance of all of the charts that had a run, this was the one that was most emphatic. maybe a more conciliatory tone from china, but whether it is alibaba or samsung, at the top -- today on the charts, the
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others are not breaking out, em is >> we have a lot more ahead on "fast money. here is what is coming up next >> the presidential race may still be undecided, but there were a trio of big ballot initiatives that have stocks on the move we will break that down. later, even as votes are currently being counted, there are a couple of sectors locking well beyond the election what option markets are expecting in big tech. plans available to anyone with medicare. many plans providekg well beyond the election what option markets are expecting in big tech. oking well beyond the election what option markets are expecting in big tech. on monthy premiums and prescription drugs. with original medicare you're covered for hospital stays and doctor office visits, but you have to meet a deductible for each and then, you're still responsible for 20 percent of
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states, but we have clarity on a few other market measures. c cannabis, casinos, cars. d bo has the information >> this puts a focus back on profitability which continues to be a slog. not having to reclassify drivers helps their business model they promise some benefits in a wage war in exchange for support. morgan stanley puts numbers on it they anticipate a 1% impact in ebitda
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a much bigger impact on lyft regulatory challenges are not over massachusetts is doing the company over driver dispute. and even with this weak surge, uber and lyft remain below -- >> why is there such an impact 4% impact on uber versus a 56% impact on lyft. >> because uber is present in other countries like europe and south and latin america much where lyft is in the u.s. and
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canada >> that it was all u.s., one business, didn't have the regulatory of other countries and here we are, the impact could be much greater on lyft. >> that was a great last question i still like the pure play aspect of it i hike the fact it is a $7 billion enterprise value, but they are losing a lot of money, so that impact will be felt 50% from last week's high. that tells you, with all of that impact there is a lot of leverage in this name. if they can get some things right, this pandemic can end and they can move towards
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profitability, this thing is probably a good buy in the 20s, especially if you can hold that down trend i will keep an eye on it you are not boig becauuying becy will be profitable this year or next you are buying because they have this market share they are building here in north america one of these ev fleets or whatever, someone who might want to own this asset. >> the pop was still enormous on this stock you liked lyft because it was more pure play >> i still do. currently i have been wrong. it was a $70 stock in 2019 and you have been in a down trend. they reported november 10, close above 31 i expect to see a huge rally
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when i say huge, i mean up to the low 40s. you know those cnbc stores, they are going to start issuing d bo nose shirts, small to extra yard, i think they will be available thanksgiving to christmas. >> a perfect hanukkah gift every state that had marijuana legalization on the ballot won tim, what is your take >> we said you didn't have to have a blue wave to have a big night for cannabis some states voted for recreation recreational use of marijuana. one in three people live in a
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cannabis state 8 republican senators come from cannabis states. it tells you where legislation may go even without a full wave. u.s. cannabis names rallied. the canadian ones sold off on the expectation they would have more access to the u.s. but also because they are proxy plays and institutional names. some people have been trying to get that exposure from canada when a lot of those are giving you exposure to the biggest market in the world. they are up today. a lot of people thought that would be a big disappointment. the sector traded great on what could have been a disappointment >> tonight cramer sits down and talks about cannabis growth.
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voting yes to sports betting were three states. does that tempt you? >> heck yeah it is going to be a billion dollar a month growth market 100 billion by 2024. draftkings is a great company. they own a ton of stock. huge upsaid. this company will keep winning guy, are you as excited as james about anything >> he is all fire. i love that and you need that energy >> i have to bring something positive >> no, you do it i love it. draftkings -- >> you guys went with uber wow. >> i will apologize on the draftkings because that secondary offering in the beginning of october i think 32
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million shares at $52, i didn't see it coming and i didn't think the stock would react as poorly as it has in the wake of it. that said, i am with james i think people are underestimating the growth potential of these names, specifically draftkings and despite it had a horrible run of late, i think you try to get back in the name or stay with the name coming up, battle ground showdown what that does to the market with six stateyes t to be called and dimming hopes for solar revolution by making it more affordable, that's why we're keeping our tuition the same through the year 2021. - i knew snhu was the place for me when i saw how affordable it was. i ran to my husband with my computer and i said, "look, we can do this." - [narrator] take advantage of some of the lowest online tuition rates in the nation. find your degree at snhu.edu.
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♪ heart monitors that let your doctor watch over you, just like you watch over your best friend. another life-changing technology from abbott, so you don't wait for life. you live it. welcome back to "fast money. hope that a blue wave turning into a wash. in that could have an impact on a stimulus mike, great to have you on a day like today there is a lot that is unknown, but an argument could be made that the democrats' power in congress is weakened, they didn't take the senate how does this influence the
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fight for a stimulus package >> if you get a biden presidency, and we are headed there. as you know we are not there, but the vice president is on route to 270 electoral votes his style is crimped by this, including a stimulus package you are right -- were people surprised? it would be hard to find somebody in washington who thought that republicans would keep the senate. it would be harder to find someone in washington who would say that the republicans were going to gain seats in the house. it will be hard for him to go as ambitious. joe biden wants to go big. he wants to show the government can work he wants to do a lot
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>> gop senators look very smart in terms of the chess game they played down the stretch of this election and pulling back. what do you expect in fiscal stimulus where can we be in the fourth quarter with much of the same crew coming back in the new year >> tim, i think they will be w reluctant to do a lot. the incentives to act just aren't here. vice president biden out there will want to get credit for a big package. i think what you will start to see is the lines form for january. i think the one thing he would need to look at in addition to the fact that republicans had a big night. he would talked about how their power changed, but there are a few other things that in q 4, q 1 will make a big difference
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people vastly underestimated the durability of president trump's appeal even if you wind up with president elect buys en, much narrower everything last night was tighter than we thought. that will constrain him. for your viewers it makes a difference in understanding the country. we are much more 50-50-ish i think we were thinking based on media coverage that we were towards the edge anybody trying to do business, like that mattered >> mike, it's dan. nobody breaks more stories out of the white house than you, jonathan, jim. what is the word on how far trump will take these lawsuits to try to overturn the results of this election i am asking it in the context our viewers care about that.
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>> how far are you got i just got a text from somebody who is going to nevada for a court fight. you saw a flurry of legal ballot actions filed today by the trump campaign last night the president throwing out the supreme court and my newsletter which is about to pop, our lead story is we talked to a lot of legal experts. it doesn't look like there are grounds for that, but that will not stop the president your viewers know that just because there isn't ground for a suit doesn't mean you can't be sued and this is the political version of that. the president said he was going to do this time and again the president has
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this, whether on trade or posture with china and now how he is going against ballots, the president not only signals what he is going to do, he says it. so they are going to fight even in places where it doesn't look close, the former governor of wisconsin warning them the recap difficult with the gap they have, but they are plunging ahead. >> mike, thank you always good. mike allen of axios. his newsletter will hit soon it sounds like we should embrace for a smaller stimulus with the assumption there is a biden presidency does that mean we are in for a smaller growth environment and smaller market gains >> if he would study the notes,
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a stimulus is a must to keep us from going off the cliff just as there are guard rails on canyon roads, there must be a stimulus regardless of who is in the white house. it may not be enough every sign point today recovery in q4 and things are getting worse for covid and the i implications still aren't known. i think the markets have to come down to reflect the slow growth of the economy and the potential damage to the economy from the covid that he would haven't seen the full bredth of it's very important for investors to be defensive. if things aren't as bad as we
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have seen, we would have seen contraction based on the 12 or 13 year bull market. we are puzzled why investors aren't taking the fed seriously. coming up, stocks on shaky ground later a big bet. new highs for trade tofhe year? all of that and more when "fast money" returns
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welcome back infrastructure in solar stocks these two stocks rallied >> i think you have a dynamic with the infrastructure with e the -- with the argument you need infrastructure either way they are near 2 1/2 year highs if you look at metals and mining and resource stocks, they have adjusted over the last five
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years. that's part of the rally we saw even before what stimulus might be required. expectation for weaker dollar and yield is going higher. i am not running from this i think we have to have infrastructure spending. i think a lot of these companies have good fundamentals >> martin mayrietta, and others >> i do think you get back into caterpillar. i don't think the resource trade is over. what is worth mentioning is first solar. there was a tremendous power pitch on first solar the stock went up to 94.
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and you asked what was the right thing to do and it was to take some money off the table that's why you watch fast money for these genius power pitches >> yeah. i do think that we played tony braxton for both of them as i recall, but they worked out. >> yes, tony is good >> coming up, betting the tech is headed back to an all time high sure, anything. we searched you online and maybe you can explain this? i can't believe that garbage is still coming in. that is so false! frustrated with your online search results? call reputation defender today to join tens of thousands who've improved their online reputation. get your free reputation report card at reputationdefender.com or call 1-877-866-8555.
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welcome back to "fast money. big text surging today >> we did see above average volumes in the qqq today and right now the market is still implying a 10% move higher or lower in the nasdaq index by the end of the year. december 290 calls at $10. betting that it will get above
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today's action was an extraordinary day. after election day, despite the fact we are still to declare a president, nasdaq higher by almost 4%, s&p up by 2.25% and do you up by 74% google and face book and alphabet up. time to go around the horn we will start with guy >> what is that thing when it is not astronomy with the stars >> astrology >> astrology
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scorpion they lay in the weeds, but they strike those people always scare me it turns out that you are a scorpio and today is your birthday, so from all of us here on cnbc, happy birthday, mel, enjoy the rest of the day. >> thank you >> if you listen to mike allen, he said buckle up. guy doesn't shut up about vix. spy put went up today. i think you buy spy put. >> i have a great birthday gift for you. nothing like it, even 2020 pandemic couldn't bring it down, but 74, out with the vix
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