now, we'll see right now, the futures are a little bit weaker. we have improved our position since where we started this morning three hours ago. dow futures down by 34 s&p down by 4. the nasdaq off by 15 andrew, welcome back again good to see you. joe, i will see you tomorrow too. both of you guys back here we hope all of you join us too right now time for "squawk on the street." good thursday morning. welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quintanilla with jim cramer and david faber coming off the worst day of the month so far for the dow and the s&p as new covid restrictions raise concerns about q4 economic growth we are expecting recount results out of georgia today claims jump to 742,000, that ends four weeks of declines. road map begins with the virus and new restrictions as new york city closes schools and deaths across the country now top a quarter of a million nationwide. >> and throughout the hour we'll have parts of my exclusive sit-down with liberty media's

john malone with the legendary media icon has to say about the covid-19 virus, direct to consum consumer, streaming, so many other topics we hit in our hour long shutdown. the ceo of goodrx, we had him last week, since then, amazon came into the business what does it mean for his business carl, we'll ask that question amongst others. >> yeah, that's good stuff for this hour, guys. jim, we talked for last week and a half about the fact that a path to the vaccine would face some setbacks and clearly new york city schools, new state of emergency in wisconsin, speak to that >> i think that one of the things that we needed was a bridge, which would be stimulus, to the vaccine we don't have the stimulus we're getting terrible numbers, we have half the country that thinks the numbers are okay, given the fact that the death rate hasn't skyrocketed. we have the other half, we're saying, look, if we don't do something about it, then the healthcare system is going to be

overwhelmed. in that scenario, it is very difficult to be able to say, you know what, i am going to start buying stocks, not worrying about the illness because one day it will be a vaccine david, as long as we were close to a vaccine, or at least thinking we were close, and there was nothing catastrophic between that, then we would be happy to buy all sorts of stocks but it is catastrophic out there. >> we have been talking about the course of the virus over the last couple of weeks, more frequently again, because we need to. because of the potential impact that it is going to have on the overall economy, jim and we know that and the numbers are horrible there is no other way to put it. different parts of the country are dealing with it in different ways, but the fact is hospitalizations, which i think is a good measure in terms of our ability to cope with it, is at an all time high. where are e, 79,000 i think something like that, approaching 80,000 people being hospitalized in the country and a number of places are very close to being potentially overwhelmed and that's a key consideration here because at

that point, your government does need to do something locally and typically to try to shut things down and some way to prevent a healthcare crisis. >> but the lockdown is not embraced by a series of states, mask not embraced, viewed as being frivolous ordain ush st d came out last night, the whole point is to have everyone wear a mask, so, look, if you want me to sneeze on you, all right, i think you prefer me to have a mask that's just kind of cut and dry. and, carl, i look for things like just two days ago, where we had some just roaring -- yesterday, with target, roaring retail numbers and saying, okay, those are ones that are going to accept, they will get through a lockdown, they will get through whatever, and then you get a little beleaguered and say, you know what, i don't know who is going to go because it is too

scary. so you're back to using shipt at target, using amazon i think amazon comes out the winner here when we talk to goodrx, you'll feel even better, even if doug hirsh puts up a good fight, amazon is what you go back to that's what you defaulted to when this started. and it is what you default to now. >> jim, a lot of this threads into the presidential transition today it is two groups, the national association of manufacturers and the u.s. chamber of commerce who put out a statement saying let's get this transition going. something that the president-elect talked about yesterday. and just trying to get access to information about where we are on covid response in the coming weeks. here's what he said. >> we have been unable to get access to the kinds of things we need to know about the depth of the stockpiles, we know there is not much at all. we get to the point where we have a sense of when these

vaccines come out, how they'll be distributed, who will be first in line, what the plan is, we're going to be behind by weeks or months being able to put together the whole initiative relating to the biggest trauma we have with two drug companies coming along and finding 95% effectiveness, efficiency in the vaccines, which is enormous promise. >> jim, i mentioned the two business groups today, but axios puts it pretty well today, saying it is business leaders, mcmillan, nadella, mary barra, who are filling the vacuum of leadership in d.c. >> how many divisions do they have they are a private industry people, that was referenced, that was stalin versus the pope. and i always think about the idea that what michael semblis put in my head, which is that there is -- this is an ongoing

battle to get re-elected it has shown no slack, even though there has been many decisions in courts that are against the president. i don't think the president is going anywhere and i know there are people who say, wait a second, the apparatus will come in, and claim the white house. i do not see -- i read the president's tweets, david, do you think the tweets mean nothing? >> it is a strategy that mr. trump, president trump followed his entire life. he litigates and litigates and litigates, i remember following his business career and talking to people who he dealt with for many years, oftentimes, he would end up, you know, like that dish don't like that deal and then just pushing and pushing and pushing until conceivably he could get a better one that was a black swan event. did not say it was likely. >> every day i pick up there is a new challenge and a new state. >> this is highly unusual place we find ourselves in we can all agree on that never seen anything quite like

it, 14, 15, 16 days after an election, which, again, seemed to have been decided a few days after that, when they counted all the mail-in ballots that we still have a person in the white house refusing to in any way, shape or form accept that they lost >> what happens -- >> it is extraordinary i don't want to make light of it. >> what happens if barr -- this is not archibald cox, my friend. >> it is not it is not. >> that happens if attorney general barr says i had enough, and he impounds george wiageorg ahead of the electoral college vote >> carl, can he do that? i mean -- >> this is in the semblis note, this idea that perhaps the attorney general could come in and impound some of the results, jim. that note also says that a lot would have to go wrong for trump to be re-elected and even some of the experts he's working with

at jpmorgan have written stories literally titled, relax, joe biden will be sworn in on january 20th. >> if michael semblis says don't relax, i'm not relaxing. i've known him for many, many years and he is someone who jamie dimon is listening to, i believe, over these other people he's a must-read this is the eye on the market. and he's not necessarily coming up with a path for the president to become re-elected he is coming up with a path that says this is ongoing, and it could go through the inauguration, and there is nothing -- david. >> no, listen, it bears watching and we all are very closely. noted yesterday, they're not seeking to invalidate a million and a half mail-in ballots in pennsylvania, bears watching, but it also bears mentioning so far they have lost every single challenge because they have not been able to actually in any way bring to a judge sufficient evidence of what they continue to call fraud. >> is that what -- maybe attorney general barr says the

whole system is corrupt and it is time for -- >> jim, you know what, if that happens, we have got so many bigger problems, you know. >> i just don't want to -- >> we can talk about where we're headed. >> under those circumstances, do i want to go buy home depot? i don't know >> it would impact you, the way you view the market now. by the way, we'll get to them, we'll get to nvidia earnings, macy's, we'll get to some of the key earnings thismorning and news as well >> can't we put it on the table? if we put it on the table on "squawk on the street," what is going to happen, people say, okay, that's a risk factor but right now i think there are a lot of people in the country who think the idea that you need tw two white houses is ridiculous you need a second white house. >> i don't know what you're talking about. >> you don't know what i'm talking about? >> where is the second white house? >> i haven't arranged it yet i don't know put it in the pentagon >> we get to that point, and it

is -- we're done. >> people being fired now. the apparatus to protect this country. >> i'm aware of it the continued question is whether or not sufficient number of republicans in the senate and in the house will step up, jim and say, okay, we have got to move forward and -- you heard president-elect biden talking about the real life impact of it, the funds have yet to be released for the gsa and it is having some impact on their ability to know about the trump's plan for vaccine distribution, how that would affect their own distribution. >> what kind of stimulus package can you do when all the president does is tweet about pennsylvania, georgia, and michigan are his and arizona is his and the georgia count is getting closer and closer. >> you can ignore it >> i can ignore it. >> that's what i got to tell you to do. >> i can ignore it. >> in some way. >> i would rather hear malone,

he gave us last year some unbelievable picks. >> malone is always a man of reason talking john malone, of course typically he and i sit down live at this time when liberty media has its annual investor day meeting, all the different ceos of the companies either control or have some sort of level of control in and tracking stock in, we do it midtown, manhattan. this year like everything else it is virtual, it is today and tomorrow but i did get my opportunity virtually to talk to mr. malone. of course, about so manufacture the things going on in the industry as we always do at this time but specific to what we're talking about right now, we actually also spent some time talking about the current environment, given the virus, given the impact it had on the economy, and how he remember -- he's one of the wealthiest men in the country, largest landowner, owns a enormous amount of maine and lumber and i asked him has the current environment and what's been done

in terms of spending to deal with the relief that businesses have needed, has that changed the way he thinks about allocating capital >> in my opinion, we're seeing -- we have seen -- we survived this because of enormous fiscal and monday toet stimulus i got to believe this will lead to devaluation of currencies that hard assets, you know, will increase in value, in currency terms. i'm not sure i'm going to call this inflation but it will look like and feel like inflation and i think we're seeing it in housing, you know, that this unrealistically low interest rate environment, which has been necessary now in order to avoid worse problems, you know, it is hard for me to believe that it won't be followed by a period of

currency devaluation so personally, you know, i've been trying to invest or diversify into hard assets, you know i think things i bought this last year i bought substantial interest in multifamily housing, primarily in the u.s and i bought -- i bought -- i bought irrigated farms because commodities were cheap, and farms were at a low cycle in value and i always wanted to have some irrigated farming, so now i'm growing potatoes >> john malone always surprises. it is interesting to listen him talk about devaluing currency. many people hope there is more spending to come given the period we're in now and the aid

that is potentially needed by small and medium sized businesses, not to mention municipalities and states around the country. >> that is fascinating >> he already owns -- he's the largest single landowner in the united states of personal, private land. >> that's what you buy hyperinflation. >> it is funny, he didn't say he wanted to call it inflation, but he did believe fully in currency devaluation, which would essentially have that effect yeah it is funny, we're going to talk to him as everybody knows all about the media landscape, his view of things, where they stand, this new idea that he has about the so-called channel store, that being the rokus and apple tvs, apple tvs and amazon fire stick and -- >> he's a believer. >> and how powerful they are. >> does he think apple is going to develop channels? >> you know, i'm going to leave that for the viewer to see >> teasing me. >> tease a little. why not? >> wow

carl. >> are you going to buy potato farms at all >> no, my wife wants to buy another house. we have a lot of houses. >> yeah. it is hard assets. >> she says it is an investment. >> it is it is. >> furnish it. >> you'll be able to move it all of them when there is two white houses. >> this one has ag land. i'm feeling malone >> they got a spac did you see that, carl why not? now liberty has a spac we're going to talk to greg mafee later as they get that liberty media investor day under way as well. >> yeah, ticker lmacu. interesting. there is a look at maffei coming up in the 10 we'll get to macys, nvidia, vaccine headlines out of azn, that affirm ipo news and more. futures are mildly weak here back of a break.

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built, probably 15 years ago and this is -- people thought it was just a gaming play last night, david. >> yes. >> tour de force, jensen on more than he's been on in a long time these are personalities in the valley people think of jensen the way they thought when da vinci came up with the helicopter remember that? >> i do. very well. >> he's so far ahead of the rest of us, he's talking about inference, imeans you go into ai is hot in here, immediately the air conditioning goes on he's saying the user interface is replacing the traditional semiconductor. this is before the whole thing is done without any discussion about the big deal >> the arm deal, yeah. the numbers that they're putting up are enormous, not that they haven't been reflected in the stock price, which gets back to t we' it we'll see if it opens down, flat. >> if if it opens down, you can

buy. the -- there was a reason why they didn't miss -- they missed on some lines, data center david, so much demand, they can't make them. and jensen has always said, look, that's a high quality problem, the real problem is when there is too much supply. that is not the case if he had all the chips, i have no idea what number -- he's saying that they should get all the chips to people who want them, and remember, we're talking about google, we're talking about -- we're talking about unbelievable demand from amazon, from microsoft they all look to jensen and say, please, we need more chips the gaming companies, he's developed shading. you know what that means it means the characters are shaded, this is what cezanne did. this is what -- it was cezanne remember the techen tonic shift, the bowo the peaches and apples, cezanne. cezanne. >> i thought he was da vinci

he's both. >> he's both and the two white house, look, i want to tell you -- >> yeah, what? >> i'm saying it is going to be a fight to the end that's what the two white house -- there will not be -- it is not going to be the naval observatory in the white house e i'm just saying the election is not over for one man for one man. >> continues to battle >> giuliani and then maybe barr. >> a couple of other people. >> the u.s. army, which i think is going to take the side of biden. >> all right there we go john malone, he's a great patriot, the exclusive continuing to talk to him about so many different things in the media landscape channg sgio quickly. stay with us opening bell coming up before we talk about tax-smart investing, what's new?

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on this week of retail earnings, look at macy's, narrower than expected loss. but comps down 20.2. not that much better than they expected 23.4% decline shares down 5% we'll get to that and a bunch of d'to yws uray thithsd soon ganhere

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a lot of airline news today as southwest holds a call about returning the max to service jim, at the same time, delta is going to keep the middle seat open through the end of march. and united says they are seeing an uptick in cancellations and decline in bookings for the week that ended yesterday as maybe perhaps some of these restrictions are starting to force americans to cancel some travel plans >> yes, i think it has to do with where they're going, not the plans. i believe that the airlines and boeing have made a very good case by now, saying, look, one of the safest things to do is be on a plane i think the 737 max is a plane that i would fly with ease

but to where to where what to go to? little bit of disney land that was just opened, david where are you going to go? take airbnb and go where what is your plan? >> i don't have one, unfortunately. i -- i did i look forward to getting the vaccine as soon as we all possibly can and start to move around. >> are you -- which ones have you applied to i applied to j&j and pfizer. >> i haven't applied to any i'm going to wait until it gets distributed and it is available to me. but to your point, and this point has been made, of course, by southwest's ceo, who gary kelly who joined us saying, yeah, we're ready to go, the request he is whether people have anywhere to go, jim. >> i know. gary kelly, from the beginning, carl, he points this out, he is -- he's just -- he's talking again about, you know, what is there to do? he's right i mean, i want to go -- i'll

go -- at this point, i'll go anywhere i'll go to the new white house >> yeah. >> stop. >> jim, you know, you mentioned disney and got lost yesterday, but s&p did cut disney to triple b plus. their point is that vaccine does not mean that the consumers are going to race back to crowded venues they say they see normal operations at the parks in fiscal 2022. so this notion of -- even i think it is leering today, says no full herd immunity until 2023, 2024. >> i disagree. >> best case is by next -- by next summer and early fall of next year you have enough where people can get back to schools and entertainment. >> what if -- if that's only half the equation, if you're disney, you can, with all these new at homes and with the abbott test, you can make it so that it can be covid free. they can test people, you just have to -- do you think the

cruise ships are going to wait until everybody is vaccinated? no they're going to make everybody have a pcr test, before they go on the boat. the two ways to do it, david, you can vaccinate, or you can test and they're going to test. and if everyone has been tested, hey, welcome aboard. you're nodding >> we're going to talk about the opening bell here. >> on the podcast, it sounds like you're dissing it. >> i'm not dissing you i'm waiting -- carl typically talks about the opening, telling us who is ringing the bell, if there is anybody there i wanted to give him that chance >> yeah. i got nothing on bellringers today, jim you mentioned the cruises. and carnival just now with 10 million shares at 1759. >> karan racarnival is like an investment bank. can you imagine you're in -- jamie's having a meeting, saying, listen, solomon has carnival, i need carnival, carnival is going to make our

quarter. you get royal. i want norwegian get me delta these are founts they're founts david! >> they do issue a lot of stock. you can't blame them for doing it do it while you can. >> the zillion -- what do they call them now, zillenials? they love it they think issuing stock a great thing. they like the new simon properties deal. they think the more stock, the merrier. like robin hood. >> maybe educate them about dilution >> it creates a lot of value. >> you can't kid -- jim, the idea is to bring these people in, as you know you spent your life wanting to do it and now you're making fun of them. >> there is a group of people who don't understand -- a group of people who say if they issue a lot of stock, sure going to be solvent, so therefore they're going to go in the spring, they're going to do the pcrs,

they need to issue stock and they'll be right, younger people will be right. i don't think they understand if you bid stock up, that you're going to get slapped with an equity offering. carnival would be down to 16 these people like it and they may not be wrong. they're taking a longer term view than a typical hedge und. >> yes, they are some anomalies where we have seen -- remember hertz almost did an offering as a bankrupt. >> but look what they did to ford and ge, millennials at 6 and 7, literally, six weeks ago. millennials piled in, good quarters, and now they're up a lot more than most of the armageddonists we have to deal with all the time. >> are you surprised they're still -- do you think this cohort, this group, we talked about this of course malone is coming up, don't you worry, we talked about this, carl and jim, early in the pandemic when there was no sports betting and we said, well, these guys are following that guy that used to talk about all the time, whose

name i won't even mention, they'll go away when sports come back. >> they have not gone away i was on schweppe's show, he had this great package about all these people who are never going back, they don't have commissions. carl, no commissions inspired a lot of people to say, you know what, i'm going to buy individual stocks and they bought the -- if you look at what -- i have robin hood on tonight, if you look at what they were buying, they were in there buying all the stocks that ended up doing incredibly well who are we to criticize? who are we >> we can't wait to hear about robin hood, jim, because just in the past couple of days, either filings or reports of robinhood, airbnb, door dash, we haven't yet mentioned affirm, it is a wave >> it is a wave. and people are excited about it. and people are excited about stocks and we better catch the wave and surf the wave or else we're going to be left behind. individuals like stocks so much.

and if they can't buy a $500 nvidia, they'll buy a fraction of nvidia. they'll listen to what malone says and they will buy a stock if malone says it is good. they'll say malone is great. >> people should it is a new generation that needs to listen to somebody like that who has been allocating capital for now 40 years built businesses and still has a great idea of that, but is also allocating capital. >> he gave us discover >> he gave us discovery, yeah. >> that was at 18, went to 28. you think the millennials -- the millennials -- google malone, really smart, he'll come on and say, x, y, z and they'll buy it. and they'll make money all the armageddonists, they'll sit back and say that's a foolish thing. >> well, you know, suns you menti since you mentioned it, we should get to my conversation with john malone, chairman of liberty media. we spend a lot of time talking about the significant changes

that have been taking place in the video ecosystem for lack of a better term, direct to consume, we focus so much on it, it is so important to disney's business model it is netflix. is it important to amazon? to apple but it is a place we always start with, john, at least i do, every year, and i did again. sort of saying give me your take on the landscape, given hbo max is now up and running, our own peacock here at comcast is up and running what does the landscape for direct to consumer look like? >> clearly there is two -- there is one dominant player in direct to consumer, which would be netflix that has scale, and global globality. disney is making a good run at it getting substantial numbers, penetration. at least in the u.s. and in some foreign markets.

yet i don't think we have yet seen what the conversion rate of disney is going to be. but they seem to be off to a very strong start. and then there is a ton of other streamers and there is a ton of channel stores, i guess you would call it, and there is the hybrids, amazon, the channel store or are they a direct consumer video provide r? we have -- with discovery, we have aspirations to be able to offer direct to consumer services, and that organization is working hard at that. and i think it is too early to see what kind of results peacock is going to generate with their hybrid approach. so it is kind of too early to say, i'd say, right , who ends

up controlling it. i think the people who have the platforms, in addition to the content or only the platforms, like a roku, are in pretty good position to build a long-term profitable global business i think you have to draw the distinction between people who get to the consumer through other platforms, or people who get to the consumer directly on their own. and i put certainly netflix in the -- on their own category, and maybe disney everybody else is going to be in some kind of a hybrid world of depending on, i guess you could call them channel stores or third party platforms, to reach a large scale audience so if you have to go through the

apple store, or you have to go through roku, or you have to go through amazon, it seems to me that you're ability to understand your consumer and your profitability perhaps is going to be adversely affected versus being able to be direct. >> interesting, again, this idea of channel stores, the rokus, which he clearly sees very positive on their ability, jim, to sort of continue to deliver and take that toll, the amazons, not just prime in terms of what you're tuning into, but amazon as a store for other people's content that they will deliver to you because their platform is so ubiquitous or apple he feels these are adding a lot of value it is interesting because chris malone, tci, again, the young people may not remember, he built liberty by taking equity stakes out of those programmers that he gave distribution to on his largest cable platform

and in a way it is somewhat similar to what we're seeing now with the rokus you need to be on roku you need to be on apple tv you need to be on amazon platform if you're laufrmi ilau direct to consumer we have seen even some of the disputes between peacock and some of them >> david, he is saying something that people aren't thinking about. he's talking about an apple revenue stream that could be very, very big and people are just thinking that apple is rogue, so to speak, versus say a peacock, owned by this network, he did not say -- he questioned the viability of peacock to some degree. >> he said it is too early which it is. it is too early. ad supported, has begun a different direction, saw a gap in the marketplace and -- trying to fill that >> i think peacock is doing incredibly well. >> if you want to launch a new direct to consumer, as discovery likely will, can you do it by

going direct to your consumer and creating that brand or must you have that distribution through these channel store and how much do you have to pay for that, how much do you have to give up to them? he thinks it is an enduring business model. >> i don't see it. >> it is already there in the app store. we're talking about the same thing. >> i don't see it. the sense this is an additional revenue stream they cut the developer fees, the -- >> that was a big deal. >> it was a big deal, but this is a revenue stream, carl, i read all the apple reports if they listen to what malone just said, they could actually take up numbers. they could katy huberty takes up numbers. she would, carl. she would say that's interesting. >> that's interesting. >> a big development for the app store, but the head of epic games told andrew yesterday that it really doesn't -- it is an effort to maintain the monopoly or the duopoly, not any real

concession to developers and then we had david hidemire miller say it -- who started this whole thing to begin with and argued that it is really just peanuts compared to the power that apple still yields. >> wow i looked at it and felt it was a genuine attempt to help small business, because there is a limit that is put on, the $100 million people and do you want them to get them to 2 million, 3 million, you maybe take a little less of the vig if you're apple. it is apple taking a longer term view >> right but when you have global scale, unlike even your local -- your cable company, which nationally can have some significance, but global scale the way they do, it gives you enormous power most interesting i thought it was roku, we have gone back and forth about, is that business model sustainable? he clearly thinks -- >> good, because that stocktirea

pandemic tock. people feel when the pandemic is over, that and zoom are the two most dangerous stocks. i think had the pandemic is over, roku rules everybody, and we use zoom to -- the way you would have thought 1964 you went to the world series, to the world's fair, and they had the phone. they had the phone that you could look at each other >> right >> fascinating my mom and dad took me >> the phone where you could look at each other. >> where was that, where was the world's fair >> queens, flushing. 1962 >> stone's throw from that the -- >> the pavilion, the whole thing, yeah. some of it is still there, the ruins. carl >> guys, the ceo of good rx is coming up after the break on why amazon's online pharmacy is complementary to their business, not competitive. before the break, take a look at

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shares of goodrx higher this morning. wow. it is down more than 25% this week alone. after amazon announced the launch of its own online pharmacy, came out in the morning and the people who own these stocks, including the drugstore stocks, were just choking. so with us now is the company's ceo, who is most impacted by this announcement, this is goodrx and the ceo doug hirsh. i want to read you a quote from a brutal downgrade that happened after the stock came down. it shocked me that you can still

go and just crush the stock again. it is by doug amoth, jpmorgan analyst, highly respected. we believe goodrx could be impacted and we're downgrading the shares of goodrx to underweight from neutral why should we not be worried when a very good analyst says that you will be materially impacted by amazon prime rx. >> sure. so pharmacy is really confusing. that's one of the reasons why we started goodrx amazon did two things they said they want to improve their mail order to pharmacy, but mail is really hard, 5% of prescriptions and hasn't grown in the pandemic they're trying hard to improve it one way is with the prime rx offering jim, you -- if you have a pharmacy, you can't discount prices yourself. it violates both government as well as insurance contracts, you can't say, doug, i like you, i'll give you half off they took a company, insider x, and they said we'll use you for

our discounts and we're going to allow you it use the discounts elsewhere, but let's stop for one second you think amazon expects foam go to walmart with an amazon discount card? they're arch enemies what is fascinating is i don't think amazon expects someone to use it, but they have to do it for insurance contracts. this is about lawyers. they thi they're offering one little discount of which goodrx offers thousands and thousands much better prices. >> there is a very thoughtful piece, positive when you said we all think that amazon is the death star, i'm quoting, john malone is in my head chewy, stitch fix, blue nile, okay they were all supposed to be annihilated by amazon. and they are thriving. stitch fix is incredible why should we think that somehow amazon is going to inhibit

goodrx's ability to grow monthly active consumers, as jpmorgan says >> again, they're in the trying to do retail pharmacy. that are trying to improve mail order pharmacy that's what they have been trying to do for a long time remember drugstore.com mail is really hard. they're doing whatever they can. and to do that, they have to offer this card which is buried deep in their website that allows you to use it at their competitors. they don't want that, their competitors don't want that and it is not that good compared it the many discounts you can find other places like goodrx i don't think it is material to us at all. >> let me ask you, doug. point blank, would i find that the average price, average price of goodrx is lower than what amazon is offering >> so we obviously looked at that and we have lower prices with our version of amazon prime's mail order product over 90% of the time because we have so many prices, 2 billion price points every day in goodrx, they have one, one program.

it is fine it is an okay program. this is old school way that pharmacy discounts were handled prior to goodrx. we have so many more >> well, doug, i want to thank you for coming on. i think there are a lot of people who felt you hid. it is the opposite you came forward >> i think you came forward with compelling industry. thank you for millions of people who you have saved a lot of money. while i love amazon prime, i would be foolish to move away from the prices you've gotten me thank you for coming on "sqwawk on the street. >> thank you appreciate it. >> interesting more from my exclusive liberty media. virtual for the first time doesn't mean greg maffei won't be live thwi me.

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disorganized >> i remember when they went public speaking of consumables for the home l brands had a pretty good quarter. almost a year and a half high. >> people watching their hands >> keeping an eye on macy's. we know it well. down as much as 8% to 9% back to flat >> ebita was ahead >> strong liquidity position they say they have got $1.6 million in cash >> i won't say the stock won't go down, this christmas season >> comparable sales down 21% >> okay. david.

>> i know kohl's moving up substantially ahead of this report. i can't wait. >> the defense business said the era of cutting the defense spending is over the most pearlious since the cold war we can't ignore, even though all the defenses are up today. >> let's just hope there are not planes in the air. >> we'll see you tonight mad money, 6:00 p.m. we'll take a break here.

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good thursday morning. welcome to "sqwawk on the street." interesting day. most of the major indices mostly flat here. more uncertainty regarding the presidential transition. working our way through the fed and claims we'll go back to rick. >> we are expecting our october read on leading economic indicators we have five ups in a row. they are getting smaller pretty much every month the data seems to be running in to a bit of a delay here here it is up .7. exactly as expected. so that is the sixth up in a row. when you look at the last six months you can clearly see the trend maybe on the positive side, whatever smaller numbers our october read on existing home sales

for that, we head east >> rick, a huge beat on existing home sales in october. up 4.3% month to month to an annualized rate of 6.25 million units to the highest level since 2006 calling that quote a spectacular gain the highest rate we've ever seen is 7.1 million in 2005 when we had nearly twice as many homes on the market. inventory down 19.8% to 1.42 million units that is a 2.5 month supply another record low pushing prices higher. median price $313,000. a lot of that is the squuing of the sales that is higher priced

homes are selling more than the low-end. million dollar-plus home sales nearly doubled while sales on the low end is falling. investors not stepping away from this pricey market they are coming into it. 14% of october home sales to investors. all cash buyers, 19% you got to have that in a bidding war. huge gain. the street was expecting a drop. back to you guys >> still hot, hot in-housing thank you. we'll start the hour with covid-19 this morning. some sobering statistics the u.s. death toll from coronavirus now surpassing 250,000 lives lost new york city public school system halt in-person classes and cities across the u.s. are imposing restrictions. joining us, a member of biden

covid-19 task force and specialist and epidemiologist. a long resume there. thank you for joining us, doctor i wanted to start out with some hopeful news, which is more good news on the vaccine front with oxford and astrazeneca showing good use a lot of talk about the delay of the transition from trump to biden. >> the fact that gsa has not followed through with ascertainment of the election results is a major impediment to us we are not able to be on the inside of these in terms of how these different vaccines will be distributed. it is not enough to have a safe and effective vaccine to get it through the arms of people to get it to work

vaccinating 330 million americans is a massive undertaking as people in this country have seen since the days of the polio vaccine >> i guess my follow up is really how much power the federal government has not just in the vaccine but in fighting this crisis. it feels like it ishappening a a local level. the governors are already designating the hospitals that will have the vaccine in that state. how much power would biden and the task force really have >> this is a reflection of how the response has been drought under this current administration and really a abdicated. >> with something like a

distribution of a vaccine, which we saw earlier this year with the distribution of personal protection equipment it was like a giant ebay that is not a good approach when it comes to vaccines certain vaccines may be more suitable with distributions in rural areas, maybe the elderly there needs to be a coordinated plan to make best use of a limited resource >> was it your belief the lack of transition planning will have an ability to effectively distribute a vaccine is. >> i think so. the longer we wait, the more people will get infected and die. this is really a major impediment to rolling out and scaling the vaccine. >> doctor, we've got some people

on wall street trying to look at models areas like illinois and then texas who haven't done a whole lot in terms of mitigations as a state. >> even when state officials don't take action. you look at data like google mobility data. people are getting scared where they see the cases going up. they are taking matters into their own hands and responding you see people staying home more used to be people going to grocery stores and retail less in these areas people are understanding what is happening in their communities even if their elected officials

are not. can we talk about new york city and the closing of new york schools despite positive parents need to work, they need health care. they need to keep going. is there anything in the biden administration that can be done about this >> the consensus is that we want to keep schools open as much as possible it may not be possible where you have wide-spread trabs anything keeping schools open, hire settings like restaurants, group classes in gyms. you have to compare that to make sure they can be open safely

providing personal protective equipment, reducing class size and density of classes and supporting parents and families through all of this. >> on vaccine acceptance dr. fauci spoke about the number that would need to take it to get herd immunity. >> i do have some concerns about the skepticism people have is expressed. it is all over the map you have people all over that already didn't take vaccines and don't want to be told what to

do you have minorities who didn't trust the industry and the people who think natural immunity is the best way so it is about reaching out to what their concerns are and addressing that lack of trust. >> thank you for talking to us today. we appreciate it we have got a start-studded hour ahead for "sqwawk on the street." more from my interview the man that runs liberty. he joins us on another liberty exclusive. he gave me a preview of that take a listen. >> we got ourselves through this to this point. where i don't think anything is

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taking a look at spdr s&p retail macy's, shares down 50% for the year lower today after the company did report quarterly results same store sales fell by 20% one bright spot was digital. seeing online sales grow by 20%. stock has turned around now. up 1.5%. we'll keep an eye on it. still very far from its heyday "sqwawk on the street" will be right back ♪ ♪

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virtually. hopefully next year. let's start with a spac announcement >> i'm some what limited on what i can say. the tool and corporate finance can be put in ways to the spac >> liberty exists as this entity where if i'm on investor, i want your accumen in terms of financials and the industry this is focused on. why isn't this a conflict of

interest with your current business >> a very fair question. if you look, some of our entities have capital. they are different levels. we have put in place rules to make sure there are no conflicts. we've always had 24 issue about where something goes things fall into place >> you are still looking at the assets making similar decisions. >> i don't know. why. >> i don't know is the right answer if it is something with motor sports, it probably logically

belongs there. something with music in other spaces, we don't have the capital and they don't necessarily fit. this is just another tool we can use and put to work. >> and committing to another $250 billion >> as you know, it is relatively easy why toy scale these up and harder to scale them down. i hope we would find an opportunity from larger size and to put in more capital and hopefully the third party responses. but you have a much harder time scaling back than up with spac

you guys look for opportunities that may have some hair on them oregon, some proficiency in terms of financing and the capital markets. there is so much spac money. why do you think you'll be able to end up with a good one? >> that's a fair question. there is clearly enough -- we hope to offer through the spac and some of the relations and insights you've heard from today to be of value of the potential targets. the paind in our view will linger there isn't a switch there are certain segments that come out in slower rates and

opportunities we can assist those companies. >> it is funny we talk about those that will come public in a sense it is very possible you could cease on things is that a responsibility >> we'll look at anything in terms of capital >> give me a feel here let's start with live nation, which is essential to the vaccine and getting back to enjoying live music. what have you got now? >> i think it is very hard to sit and say here is the time frame. you'll see them build hatches. cut tofts. it has tested virtual concerts

ideas of rapid testing on site we know there is demand. 90% of fans have expressed they want a return. the vast amount of tickets remain in place and there is a supply there are artists that want to tour is they've tried and tested the possibilities. it would be not wise to turn around this bet tomorrow i credit the team for setting this up well for the future >> and talking about what his thoughts are and the capital position >> of course, we are all just guessing but next summer, do you think you'll be watching the atlanta braves in the stadium or

is it a year from now? >> i think the braves outdoors or places like georgia, i think you'll have fans, whether the full density and other protocols in place we went on sale yesterday with the braves. >> they had a great season >> we have a new owner now and he's got more money than you do. >> it has been shown money is not the root of all wisdom in baseball we'll hope that he does well >> i found that to be true in

life that's not the root of all wisdom let's go to formula 1. have races gotten back on track again. a lot of it is european base they rebuilt the calendar from scratch. put some in, put some out. i credit formula 1 and the teams themselves they've done an awesome job. nevertheless, they've been hurt. because we've rejiggered the prod cast revenue, that's hurt formula 1 will be profitable this year unlike baseball and

the braves it will be profitable but does not have the ability to generate income for the teams we are well set up i expect the global nature of it and the ability to be farther along in terms of getting fans in seats than we were with baseball but we have further challenges we are hoping for a vaccine and further testing as well. >> i'm sure as you've sat where you are and thought about life after the pandemic have you looked in an area you may not have previously?

something that would capitalize with the way you look at the world? >> today is our investor day i went out with a relatively long think piece about what happens post the pandemic there are changes that are short term. to quote, consequences have consequences the changes are short term and some won't we'll be looking at what would be impacted by the digital economy and accelerate some things and hurt other things we are trying to do the same thing as the assessment with

some of the same things going on i do not think we'll get business travel up for a long time i do think leisure travel may accelerate we are trying to weigh all those pieces one of the reason we have those is to think about investment that may result from the consequences of the consequences >> sorry we are not in person. i hope you will resume in person next year and not make it an annual event >> we found taping it this way was equally hard for us. we hope to be back in person >> the company's chairman john malone will join us with a lot

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>> welcome back. i'm sue herera the nation's largest mass transit system, new york mta says it will have to cut service by 40 to 50% and layoff 9,000 workers to shrink deaf tights unless it gets $12 billion in federal aid. russia confirming 2 million covid-19 cases infections and deaths also hit new records today. south australia starting a six-day lockdown even though know new cases were reported today following an outbreak of

just 22 new cases. in uganda, at least 16 people have died and dozens injured after police arrested bobby wine, an option running for president next election. that's it for us today back to you. we've been sharing excerpts of an interview liberty mutual it is their annual investors day. some of the media stray broadly speaking and changes of that industry one he's introduces of late is the theme of channel stores. the rokus, the apple tv and fire sticks they are more and more being

relied on as the tv. the cable industry has a cable box. i asked why aren't they in a dominant position for distributing this new streaming programming? >> i believe the cable industry kind of missed the boat on being the direct service provider. never say never the scale is small compared to the scale of an amazon or apple >> from an investor standpoint and programmer or content

providing, how should i be thinking about the potential dominan dominance these are going to have >> i think these will be enormously powerful and most product creators will be selling wholesale through these transport systems if they have a strong brand identity, then they'll be part of a package or bundle, the consumer is not going to want to buy from a broad number of services they are going to tend to want to go to one convenient

supplier it increasingly looks like it would be amazon or prime or apple or it could still be a google effort. these things are global. of these are a sub set of the u.s. i don't see how at this point they can catch the scale to show the distribution >> you are wearing a discovery vest there you and i talked about discovery in the past in terms of developing a direct to consumer model there. you ago gated an enormous amount of content there and globally

too. getting us back. from all these platforms and paid the toll. if you only had the chance of reaching consumers that you want to it is not clear yet. whether or not we can reach our global audience. there are more to come fairly soon on that subject discovery has that benefit of global brand, global identity. we'll see what evolves but it is important that at

least some of discoveries programming if they continue to have an important advertising component means ubiquity of reach. meaning some of the programming is ubiquitous. you are right. in order to get multiples like disney or discovery has, they have to be ready to breakthrough the direct consumer model. whether that is direct or through interimmediateries collectively >> where does it all end we've seen it playing out. take me forward a few years here you've talked about it for

years. >> my guess is there will be a point where the bundle breaks apart and a lot of the content will be available direct to consumer and/or a la cart. some sports may move over to a premium or to the big tech companies. i'm not sure my guess is that there will be a point in time when programming even the company like yours will be close to direct consumer platforms in a way of mass market add supported

i think that's what the peacock experiment is all about. to see if you can make a go of it on an advertising only basis with fewer ads but not knowing the viewer, there for higher cpms, fewer ads or whether you have to get somehow into a subscription stream of revenue from the consumer in order to be competitive and afford the level of quality and quantity that it takes to attract the viewer going forward. >> you mention the platforms we talked about earlier in this content and taking their toll. the power -- we talk about it on

air now of facebook or alphabet. what is your sense of how it may change or affect >> i think they'll have a very hard time figuring out what to do for the most part, the scale is preventing them from providing consumer benefit that smaller enterprises would be able to create or provide and so how do you regulate something actually good for the consumer. at least for now that's kind of what you are seeing with companies like amazon or google providing extremely high quality

services meeting consumer needs. because of their market power, you'll be in position to crush competitors and to wreak havoc i don't see anything likely to slow down. >> a regular torry question, one dr. malone nose well people like to watch the full interview. we sat down roughly an hour. if you want to do that, go to cnbc.com you'll find it there, the full hour we hit a lot of different things very interesting to get dr.

malone's take on an ever changing media landscape that i like to talk a lot about >> i was so interested in the sound you played last hour saying his good investors as well talking hard assets like land, farming because there has been so much fiscal and stimulus. why bitcoin has been surging and people feel that we are going to stimulate out of this forever and the fed is never going to be able to raise rates and europe is negative. hasn't been proven out yet the dollar is still the reserve currency and people still go there during times of stress but it was notable to hear him talk about that >> i thought you'd like that at the beginning of the 9:00 hour -- because asset allocation

is important to follow for people who don't understand or know about his long career in creating or helping to create the cape business in our country. you are right. buying potato farms. he's the largest single land owner in the country he likes those hard assets he does believe that we will see the debasement of the currentcyi given the debasement we have seen >> talking about losing currency status great interview. check it out online. wanted to show you l brands trading at its highest levels in two years. still well off its perch from a few years ago but showing progress in that turn around comp store sales up a whoping 28%. thanks to 56% increase at bath

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crude oil is trying to hang on energy is the biggest s&p lagarde. by a pretty large margin talking about the outlooks of the sector we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan.

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>> absolutely not. i do agree the vaccine is essentially a v shape trade in crisis for next year effectively, the catalyst is a vaccine story however we think that is oil and commodities. and what's driving that is the pandemic itself. in fact, we would argue the vaccine is a tactical catalyst the pandemic itself is a structural catalyst. so i think the three key points that we're focused on is, one, is that we're seeing a structural decline in investment we call that the avenge of the old economy. no cap ex is going into the old economy. that's going to create supply shortages across the commodity complex. here's a fact for you today. every single commodity with the exception of cocoa and wheat are in a deficit right now that tells you -- you ghaet tha v-shaped recovery, the markets

are going to get tighter the other big theme is policy driven demand and the third one is reflation. >> on that last point, i mean, what's the bigger driver you talk about the revenge of the old economy and obviously capacity constraints as you just lined out. is that the bigger dynamic here or simply trying to protect yourself against rising costs in general? >> i would argue, you know, it's all of the above back again, so the reflation theme which is what you're talking about right here, that's due to the fact that you're seeing a substantial devaluation of the dollar. and when we start to see weakness in the dollar, it puts upper pressure across the entire commodity complex. we saw this in the 2000s and in the '70s. we're teed up to see that same dynamic. the higher the commodity prices go, the weaker the dollar. the weaker the dollar, the higher the commodity prices. it can spiral up to much higher

prices >> jeff, what about the chinese recovery how much is that playing a part in the price and the trajectory of oil and other commodity prices right now >> absolutely critical i think everything solid both the metals as well as the agricultural commodities in particular, they have been fueling that recovery through infrastructure spending as well as construction. which is creating a very strong base metals and bolts market you know, we have seen copper pushing to earlier this week hit up to $7200 a ton. these are prices we haven't seen in years and in terms of thinking about agriculture, you know, we had phase one of the trade deal. that's not what's creating that huge surge in import it's the fact theyhave real food shortages they killed off the hog herd during the covid-19 crisis and the imports of metals and agriculture are surging.

this exact same time they're building reserves. i would like to point out what kicked off that bull market in commodities in the '70s, 1972, it was russia buying up grains look at a chart of soy beans and corn chinese are buying a lot of grains right now >> jeff, how do you think about two things that we often hear from the other side of this trade and that is the he lrise the electric vehicle and esg and cultural dynamics around the ownership of the asset classes are those -- do you think sentiment on those two issues is inflated >> oh, absolutely not. you know, in terms of thinking about the impact that esg has had on investment, it's clearly having a substantial impact on the european integrated oils you know, you've seen it with total and the other big european majors they shifted their investment away from oil and into

renewables and other types of sustainable energy investment. so that is a supply side story let's talk about the demand story. that is even bigger. while you're making the investment into these sustainable type of energy sources, it's creating stimulus. we think that the cap ex for the capital intensity of the global economy is going to go to 28% over the course of the next decade that is as big or bigger than what the bricks boom was in the 2000s. so this is a huge cap ex cycle and the stimulus effect is going to be significant. we like to point out even in oil you're going to get the stimulus effect on demand before you ever begin to think about oil demand. >> jeff, what do you do if you hold gold? it's already up 22% this year. obviously a lot working for it with fiscal and monetary stimulus flowing from all corners of the globe do you still buy >> absolutely. and the reason why we like gold

is because the first leg was really being driven by the printing of the stimulus which creates a basement effect against the dollar the second leg is going to be once you begin to see the recovery take hold, inflationary pressures begin to resurface a lot of people say well won't that make real rates start going up on the back end of the curve and make go down yes. it will make them go down but it will be a steepener. as you have that front end real rates go down as inflation expectations rise, that's driving gold back up that's one leg let's not forget what is going on in india and china. robust economic growth in china will increase the demand for physical gold. what we call the wealth effect we'll have the fear effect going on with inflationary pressures in the west and then the wealth infe effect going on in the east. the two will work together our target on gold is $2300 an ounce. >> wow jeff, next year is going to be

fascinating. we'll get through it with your help, i hope it's good seeing you thanks so much >> thanks for having me. >> jeff currie talking energy and commodities. one more thing before we close out the hour here. new york city mayor bill diblasio moments ago saying that indoor dining and gyms are "very likely to be shut down in the next couple of weeks." speaking at a news conference right now, sara, of course, you mentioned earlier the closure of new york city public schools the mta yesterday looking at severe budget cuts and layoffs state of emergencies in wisconsin and now missouri extending their own into march 31 so that's one of the suppressants on enthusiasm today for sure >> also minnesota governor is calling for a four week restriction shutdown for ars, restaurants, and gyms. look, governors and mayors are going their own way facing the rising positivity rates. there is going to be a debate. now there is a test case to see if these restrictions and

lockdowns work they never closed down in florida, for instance, or at least they haven't despite the rising cases, carl so they're going to be questions. i this i diblasio is facing a ton of criticism by closing schools and not bars and restaurants and gyms why are they more essential than schools? >> very difficult policy decisions here as they have to weigh safety and the economy as we go to break, take a look at shares of sonos surging after the company beat estimates. a strong full year forecast. shares up almost 24% we'll talk to patrick spence on "squawk alley" in a bit. in the meantime, the dow trying to get another 50 points will put it back on pace for the stbe month since '87. don't go away. some hot cocoa?

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