market refuses to give the gains back in a hurry. >> at this point people would take a six-week reprieve from the stuff we've been dealing with for some months now. >> a harder call if we are two or 300 points back to where we were as we peeked out in august of this year, it starts to seem like the market is making it tougher to stay negative.>> see you tomorrow, and fast money begins now right now on fast money, riproaring rally, big tech booming, the nasdaq up 7%, big names, double digits, and posting a gain of 1201, you heard that right, do not adjust your radio, 1201 points, a rebound, is it something you can believe in longer-term? >> the founder said he quote f d-up, does have macro market implications.

ahead of veterans day. and the asset management firm, 100%, owned by military veterans, phil is here, hello everybody, and for melissa lee, and john stay most >> a full house tonight. and try not to left guys, that was funny. and the big story of the day, the latest inflation data, it was enough to give investors absolutely giddy, and you name it, and even meds of. and in in market today alone, barring, and below 4%.

you know it's coming, does today's rally give you any optimism around the longer term? this wasn't all human, what was involved? be careful house, and adding one of the worst shows in the history of shows, -- >> come on, man. >> no i'm not. and you remind me of the big dude, hang around, and and and october 13, and subsequent early monday the 17th, and back in june, and 18% in august. and 4000, and the move. and shooting 2 4100 cummings a

lot of sense, and and without question, nothing healthy but today.>> what i was saying before, and lose money on the way down, and i would just posit though, is it worth saying inflation is suddenly gone, lower used-car prices, the data, and healthcare costs, and the competition change, and all of that, and just off the 40 year high with inflation, i'm sure i will get egged as we, the studio, and thereafter day, and today, a major

overreaction," semis of time. and off of last month cpi, to where we are today, 27%, >> i want to protect you, and don't throw eggs. >> to expensive. the food cause there. >> are you finding those foods? >> what is your take on today's rally, just sitting back and watching it? >> if you been waiting on the sidelines, i'm long, as it was going down and along right now, nothing has changed. but if you're sitting on the sidelines, nice job. if you are sitting on the sidelines, bottomed out and then jump in, and really hard to do on a up 1100 day, and if you like oh shoot i missed it, i will have to wait again, kind

of following through, i agree with tim, the reaction, nice, a little bit of cool data from the cpi, we haven't seen that for a while but i still think the rates are high but now getting out of earnings season, some of them can whip around a lot more easily, the dollar moved today. and that counts for something. >> the yields lower, crude oil, all really good things for the equity rally, i agree with all you guys, just think it was a little too much, it shows how wild we were and how poor sentiment was, and coming out of earnings season, go back a week and a half, all of the biggest names in the market, for the most part disappointed, estimates came down, 2023 estimates coming down, those are all good things, we've been talking about this, waiting for the stuff all year long. for me we have been talking about on the show, some of the

disconnects, disney was one of them, 86 1/2 dollars, a day or so after the result, and some after, google after the results, and snap. >> mettauer. >> you are the one. >> more of a trading perspective, i didn't have any conviction, but what i did have conviction is, with the sentiment so bad, wholesale selling and names like that, you have the potential for a gap fill, a unique opportunity you have in markets like this, and still in a bear market, s&p or the nasdaq, still in a two month range, will below the range. eight months or show. >> how much of today was short cover quick >> 30%. >> may be but the one thing we've been saying, we don't see them go over 35, they seem fairly will hedged up for all intents and purposes >> that's for sure.

>> about where were going to get to, is something that i'm not sure is appropriate relative to the market >> so much emphasis on the fed, does this give it cover, to speak more hawkish the number 1 which is a good thing but the market going lower is not predicated on the federal reserve, they have not been robust, a slowing period of growth, should pays much on the multiple for the s&p 500 earnings, going lower, the market move did not cure the ills of the corporations feeling the heat, as a lot of consumers. >> we said earlier in the network, i didn't, but lower yields, do change how you discount cash flow, and today, just of the multiple adjustment and that is it. over going to get from the fed >> i thought the multiple adjustments were overdone relative to that.

and the upside, the rates are still high, they are little bit lower but there's still high compared to where they were a year ago in november, and you could trade at any multiple. the homebuilding. the whole space. >> suddenly everything is fine homebuilding. and to me the housing market, the velocity is going to be zero, even if rates came down a little bit today, i don't see the housing market, and multiples, and relative to the history. and the case where we've gone through multiple phases of the rally, the two most important ones we haven't even gotten to yet. the liquidity crisis, greatest trading market, the last handful of years. and the expectations are, and

any time, in the next few months, and come back off of where you are. and expecting much worse down the road. and the sentiment. >> where we part ways, and commodities for that, and didn't really happen there. and the collective worse, the inflation problem, doing a decent job, and going to have to backtrack, with the market things, this vacuous cycle i believe, where the fed pivots, that's great, the commodities, take the genie out of the bottle and that's the problem. >> i still think it is going anywhere, it doesn't feel like it wants to go anywhere.>> and

i'm with you, the tail and from here on out, if it's going to percent lower it's going a lot. >> not much higher or lower. >> i don't think it's going much higher. so you know, and playing for the move lower, and over the next spread, over the next month and a half, and entire market, has been rotating, out of the stock, in to areas, don't see how the energy stocks continue to work, they tell me all the time, dollar and crude. and a quick point. and adding on twitter. and this or that or whatever. and a lot of us remain structurally cautious on the global economy, and worthy earnings are, i rattled off a

bunch of stocks, those are tradespeople, and you know, and so that's the thing, that's the camp that i am in. and from mid-october. and you speaking, an >> the sellers right here. you have to let it breathe. one of the biggest ones we've seen and how many years.>> two. >> a parade of fed speakers the next few days. reinforcing that message. higher for longer. >> he set it for today, and george came out and said effectively, if you think we are done, think again, one must drop, still some .7% >> and inflation is licked. >> cpi number, air cover, to be exactly that, they can be as hawkish as they want, they are

getting data that supports it but the problem is it is still the handle on inflation. 7. >> i agree. >> we are going to bring in a guest. >> you have to fill in for melissa tonight and i said as long as there is nobody from georgetown on the show. and they said your opinion matters. inflation is the key inflection point, paul mcauley, former chief economy teaches at the forementioned georgetown mcdonough, where you so great paul, and just previewed the question >> georgetown has made him better. and the conversation, and peaking it 7-7. and materially down anytime soon. >> i think it will go materially down in the year ahead, actually the pace of

going down is less important than the fact that it is coming down, and the fed has already got to a restrictive stance of policy, if you put them together, coming down, and i described it, a righteous rally. and anticipating, and the policy, and yesterday, and a week ago yesterday >> okay. and inflation data, mostly used cars, and brought inflation down, did today's date of the change your take on what you think the federal reserve is going to do, december 14, january, february or any of the next two meetings?>> step down to 50 basis points. the real issue is how they

change it. and that was the sting last week. and chairman powell said and the terminal rate up higher, in september, 4 1/2, 4 3/4. and back last week, that terminal one is going to go up, and the big question is, the next december, and rationalize, that up, given just how inverted the yield curve is between the very front end, cash and the value. forget about the tenure, a huge rally. and today as well. and going to be coming in the december meeting, are they going to take it in a

meaningful way, and a credible way, given where the inversion curve is. fundamentally, with the data is showing on the cpi is what we have known by looking at the real world for a number of months, inflationary pressures are going another direction. >> exchange a couple of emails, and i understand, when you quote him, and emails, but part of what you're referencing, smarter than i to interpret, expectations have a whole lot to do with not only the market but in fact were consumer spent in the instincts, talk about fed policy, in your economist share has done or not done what needs to do, because again we know there is a big lag effect but it is about perception.>> i think the fed has done a tremendous amount of tightening this year. we've been hearing front loading all year long, and 400 basis points is a heck of a lot of front loading, and slapping

the housing market around head and shoulders severely and 50 basis points, one way or the other, it really doesn't matter from the standpoint, we doubled mortgage rates. so i think the housing market is smashed, the enthusiasm for speculation in the marketplace, which was rampant in 20 and 21 has been removed and obviously we have seen evidence of that in the crypto base in the last few days literally, and the irrational exuberance spirits out of the marketplace and on main street, they have smacked the housing market really hard. starting to see everyone, in hiring, so i think were almost there, we need to quit putting out the landing lights and saying she has returned. >> asking you quick about housing, if we get a meaningful

housing slowdown which he probably will. and economy in the stock market. and not flowing. stopping >> i fully agree with you, we have beat up the housing market and it is down for the count. affordability has been severely constrained from the standpoint of new homebuyers, the plankton in the housing market see, and you have a lot of people trapped in their houses now with incredibly low mortgages which is a good thing but that is going to dramatically selectivity, because they have golden handcuffs on. i think the housing market is down for the count quite frankly. >> that could be tough for a lot of families. but we do appreciate it, thank you very much.>> i know we will talk homebuilding stocks, but housing, some of the data is so awful and housing matters a lot.

to the american economy, we should be talking about this more in mind on humble opinion. >> absolutely, they are fixing a problem they created in the first place in trying to hurt the housing market, it's not hurting the wealthy, at cocktail parties they will laugh about gas prices, paid five dollars today, the rich people don't care the middle class and lower class get screwed on the way and then the way out. >> i would argue that we came out of the blowoff top that was coded for sony asset classes, even more so from the housing situation to you so the urban exodus out of the northeast of the southeast and places where people actually need affordable homes, people from the northeast and northwest, so their right, housing at some point though, you have priced in a lot of pain in terms of

housing market sucks, and if you look the homebuilders, the consumer discretionary ones, as well. >> d block of the show.>> i brought up the housing market, in fact i even said and predicated we are going to talk about the homebuilders later in the show. i will take the hit. >> full house. >> major cost cuts coming, and plus, if borrowing costs have finally peaked, does it make this group of stocks a really u od bit for you. yocan guess the group that it is, and we just yakked about it. [ laughter ] back after this.

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welcome back to fast money, amazon up 12%, and the units that make the alexa voices system, the cost-cutting review after him limiting a hiring

freeze and warning of holiday sales ahead and jeff bezos has been on the twitter saying recession is inevitable, i'm summarizing. >> i saw that. >> and might be the washington commanders >> somewhat retrenching parts of the businesses for a while. the distribution space. and actually sold some of it, reworking the business for a while. and the nice blue stuff of any kind of cost cuts. and is well. >> the giant retailer.>> is a cloud company. >> it's got two parts. >> both correct. >> some of the parts there, the market, and the ceo of the company used to preside over them, the tremendous growth it has. don't even need to do it,

that's the good stuff, the cherry on top of things start to work. and at the home, cut in half. tim cook, and whatever, a great second act, why not cut out all the cramp, i don't know, cut costs, selling logistics, they did this, it is a pretty interesting set up here. and were is it, 183, and 9063 guys >> is there any bottom when you're looking at the charts? >> again a trading show covers talk about it, huge volume capitulation, what we are seeing, was stocks like this, they will go back to where they treated down on the earnings day, in terms of amazon it is about $1.10, right back where

he started, and 4000 4100, and another conversation. >> the belt-tightening dynamics didn't mean a whole lot in the conference call in the earnings, and spinning in places that tomorrow, we will look back and say they are so far ahead of everyone, the valuation, never been an issue, and the last hurrah for the consumer, that is truly is. love this company for free. >> the final comment >> the retail part of the company a mature, and does matter, and not three anymore, slowing a little bit, i think it is too expensive.

>> there you go.>> a lot, here's what is coming up next. the traders are constructing their take on the group next. and breaking the silence, as the fallout continues, the yp collapse ahead, you're watching fast money, live from the nasdaq market, back after this. another busy day? of course - you're a cio in 2022. but you're ready. because you've got the next generation in global secure networking

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went rogue. [ laughter ] the builder adjacent stocks away fair 20%, their business rose by 20%, williams-sonoma and rh, lowe's and home depot also seeing big gains all because we've got 4/10 of a percent drop in the inflation rate, and they will raise rates next month and probably again in january.>> 34 basis point bond move, which is ridiculous, and unhealthy. >> good news honey, bond yields fell said nobody ever.>> collectively we did, and the hairtrigger, i didn't think they would move 30 basis points in a day. and you get out of them,>> and a guy named rick palacios junior, rick if you're out

there, john burns consulting, eight tweet storm, listen to this. very quickly, surveyed a bunch of builders, jacksonville. and 60 or 70%, october especially we, the worst sales month and 12 years, no buyers of baltimore, marcus terrible, birmingham, the market is weak, i could go on, and they'll homebuilders are popping 10% today, nothing made sense today. >> homebuilders are sort of looking through, this is different, 2007-8, you didn't have the same gigantic mismatch, with endless supply that you do now, i think that makes a big difference, and at a dislocation where the spread between buyers and sellers is wide, that will close, we still have a millennial generation that wants to buy houses.

if you look six months down the road, mortgage rates will be lower, and i think activity will pick up, and i kind of like the space. >> it makes sense. >> you do quick >> and granted, 12% today, the stock did not make the new low when it made new lows of the last few weeks, the space in general had been trying to put it a little bit of a bottom and you said 3/10 of a point in the cpi, what did the to your do, you said we will be raising rates in december, the rates just popped up for this cycle. 2 and 10, that's it people, we can of fancy professors on and talk about this over and over again but we don't think about market. was about 2007, 2008, 2009, and what he said the next month. >> i think we are agreeing

>> talk about the inflection point, inflecting right now, that is happening. and the cpi is, and the hot jobs data, the next thing we start seeing his the jobs data, unemployment rate is to 4%, the whole thing, this argument about inflation, etc. little bit. >> and secular dynamics are a function of the housing market grinding to a halt, in restoration hardware. the report about three weeks to a month, were going to get their numbers, and you know, looking at comps about 6%, the real key of course is where we get and 23, but if you look at where eps estimates have come down, you got consumers that are still staying in the house and fixing them up, running better than they have in terms of market share. >> adjust the pricing, slightly

smaller house if you but it just yourself, you may not have the ability for prices, we will talk about it some other day, and coming up, breaking the silence on the collapse of the crypto exchange that he founded, very latest on what's going on on this fast-moving, complicated and often bizarre story, but not all doom and gloom, sengei some light at the end of the tunnel. it could be shining, and we will explain and probably fight about it when fast money returns.

welcome back to fast money, ftx, crypto exchange seeking emergency capital after reportedly using billions to prop up sister trading firm alameda research, hedge fund, the full impact of it remains murky but trying to cut through, the very latest and what we know and we still don't know. kate quick >> ftx is looking for a bailout, after the finance deal fell through in the meantime gaining international withdrawals, the data firm pointing out that they were still allowing some people to southern positions today, ftx,

and exchange, is based, and per the regulations, they have begun to facilitate withdrawals, and letting some investors out, and letting other international customers take out certain chris -- crypto currencies, the critic currency, from another company, allowing investors in a handful of's smaller crypto currencies to redeem their balances on that platform, it doesn't apply to bitcoin, a small amount, sources and talking to say it makes a potential bankruptcy especially messy if they move the balances kustok on the platform, it scrambles of the assets and makes it a pretty uneven class of depositors, if and when they need to start repaying customers or file for bankruptcy. sources say it is a likely outcome here, still predicting bankruptcy but we heard from

sam earlier in a tweet, he's got some options, a number of players in talks with, looking at term sheets and he says we will see how it ends up, very much a fluid situation. very much on the hunt for other investment options, we will bring you the latest one we have it. back to you. >> 11-22, i don't know if he's got a lawyer but if he does, they should tell him to stay off twitter, just shut it down, we might be able to do this, and a serious situation, no time for i screwed up. thank you very much. your next guest thinks there is a 0% chance, the guy from the big short, danny mosley. 0% chance, ftx can raise the capital to survive, the ripple effects will be felt throughout the financial system, castle island ventures, cofounder of queen metrics, i'm going to ask you a question, just say whatever.

how does an exchange have an $8 billion loss? it's an exchange, any idea what happened. so many parts of the story that make no sense. >> yes, if they are operating in the standard orthodox model, full liquidity, and the assets, and associated, and appears now, and may and june of this year, and effectively requisitioned the funds from ftx depositors, incredibly ersatz move, in order to short the balance sheets, the best guess, and what we know now, and should never happen, and exchange, backing the deposits, with the corresponding liquid assets.

and transparency. and everything went up, and crypto one up tonight -- today, and you think yesterday, sometimes asset classes bottom out when the news can get seemingly any worse.>> the worst day in crypto history in my 10 years. and the crypto person, seeing the insolvencies and exchange collapses. this was the worst one, everyone trusted sam, the number 1 in dc, widely trusted, a huge donor of course, all of the seasoned veterans and institutions had funds in the platform and all betrayed by him. everybody trusted the guy, and some people were taken aback. and there will be a further

fall out here, there's a bunch of lenders that have lines open, and i expect that will be the final one, but yes, kind of hard to imagine how things could get worse, there will continue to be fallout, expect to see that over the coming months. it seems about as bad as he can get. >> a couple of months ago. and the most decentralized market there is, suddenly a market with one exchange, the buyer, and b&b, and use decentralized business, and the most decentralized business there is. a giant player, everyone else is getting bailed out, as well. >> this has been an issue with the crypto space, with delegated far too much power in

centralized institutions, and re-center and revisit the general ideas of decentralized ideas, and crypto, they did well. noncustodial focus, a world where users can sell custody's of the assets. and moving out away from this. and the centralized intermediaries. and that is the reaction, revisiting the core values that the industry is founded on >> nick carter, thank you for the views and honesty and candor, thank you very much.>> coin base may be decision to capitalize on a lehman brothers moment on the broader crypto space, but do the options markets agree, was the options activity including base? >> usually quite busy, and

usually twice as busy as we usually see more than double the daily options volume, quite considerably, and the options, november 18 weekly 50 strike puts, 26,000 of those, an average of that, and it could either drop to the $50 strike price are hedging against that, by the end of next week, of course the stock was below $45, and it could be the basis here, hedging. >> ronai, every day at 5:30 pm eastern time. -- we are back every day now is t te heimto trade cautiously, tread lightly after today's action, in session when fast money returns.

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ever for cathy woolard, worth taking time to learn how not to get caught up in the madness. time for trade school. professor nathan. you were talking about this earlier today, how should we approach days like today, triggers and price points? >> i don't like manias. one of the things that i like. i don't like over exuberant markets, i don't like days like today, fairly well convinced, the a block, feels like a bear market rally, you could be incrementally less bearish, and you have to be careful about buying things on days like today, if you try to buy that, if you're not a short-term trader, if you don't have your finger on the trigger, you will get cut things you don't want, a good chance that the nasdaq and s&p are going to retest the

lows that we made. for me what i think about as a trading opportunity, all of those tech stocks, which i generally like, positive long- term disposition, by them when they are hated. that is kind of how i trade markets. i love the voluntarily desperate volatility, doing that for 25 years, gives you those opportunities. if you agree they're going down, and prices went up, do you sell tomorrow morning. >> one of the things, and the ranges, and of course not predictable, and 41 and 4150, and there but is are that, and change where they were, the

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