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their guidance, but they didn't. to me, the significant overreaction, the stock is reasonably priced here >> jason, last word. >> autozone. that's upside with the commercial sector here >> one last look at the records, basically flat the s&p up just over a quarter of a percent the dow, same story, the nasdaq basically flat got to go. that will do it for us thanks for watching. "the exchange" starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> thank you, frank. welcome to "the exchange." i'm kelly evans. a big rally before a big collapse two more notes out this morning echoing with what mr. black swan told us yesterday on this show, how the market is feeling like twalgt we'll ask our guests today if they agree and what you should co-about it. with $4 trillion in options
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expiring today, there is one trend developing ai will bring a new level of speed and efficiency to all aspects of ad creation that's what mark doug lolas is expecting. we begin today's markets, and another rally that is building spl what. the dow is up 77 points, same for the s&p. 4437 we're now up 26% from those october lows the nasdaq, eking higher, just a two-point gain gains across the board for the week, i say countertrend, but the trend for june has been a broader rally than just the nasdaq the dow on pace for its longest weekly win streak since april. the s&p since november of 2021 the nasdaq on pace for its longest win streak since march of 2019. quickly, let's check on
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treasuries 384 was the high mark. we see it trade lower, about 3.77 4.73 on the two-year, so keep an eye on this. also, check out shares of cava, down sharply today after soaring more than double in their trading debut yesterday. but, again, let's talk about this if priced at 22, you only got that price if you were in the ipo. it opened at 42. so anyone in the public who didn't get it on the offering is $5 in the red. cava, some persons about profitability. we always get this first-day bump and then it takes a while, sometimes a quarter or a full year for it to settle in and find its true valuation. and the bears on wall street, they haven't thrown in the towels just yet. there is concerns that the market is resembling 2008. saying -
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>> meanwhile, chris harvey at wells fargo says -- >> and yesterday, black swan author warned of echoes of the great financial crisis >> this is something that resembles 2008, 2007, in the sense that we had a financial crisis, the reaction was to lower rates. which is a temporary policy to cure a structural problem. >> joining me now, allen boomer and aide yardeni welcome to both of you ed, what do you think after you hear these warnings and concerns >> i'm delighted to hear that the bears are still growling it's when everybody is bullish that i get nervous right now, this bull market is
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bright and shiny, and i think it continues. mostly because there is no recession. waiting for a recession is like -- it never shows up. earnings are picking up as profit margins improve i see all these bears are looking back to the past i'm also looking back to the past, and i see a similarity between the 2020s and the 1920s. >> ed, i think everyone's bullish. you can capture it scientifically better than i can, but you get laughed at now if you're bearish, right people are like, what are you talking about? let's look at the fear and greed index. we were pretty high up there yeah, extreme greed, 82. >> it's still a baby bull market, it just really got started in october 12th of last year and at first, it was very broad based. then we had the banking crisis,
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and everybody ran into the caps, and the bears say it's too narrow of a market and will take a dive instead the markets started the broaden out. the fact that it's broadening out is proof positive that we're in a bull market and people are getting more optimistic about the future the future looks pretty good to me >> well, okay. i'm going to ask you one more. ed, it's wonky, but it's not what about jobless claims? they don't get any respect >> well, we've had two weeks where they're up, and we certainly had plenty of announcements over the past six months by companies that they are cutting back on employment if you look at the job openings surveys, and it's not just this report, but there is something like that in the consumer confidence report and in the national federation of independent businesses survey of small businesses, small business owners, and they all say they're looking for workers. so i think that's very telling
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that there is this churning going on in the market all in all, the job market remains quite solid. it's probably slowing, but that would be welcome news for the stock market >> allen, are you as bullish as ed is right now? >> first of all, ed, it's great to see you big fan of your work i am bullish, maybe not quite as bullish, but a lot of what ed said makes a ton of sense. there's a lot of folks that have been frightened out of this market it's easy to be afraid when waiting pays you 5%, cash and bond yields are super high so i can see why folks are bringing brin ing up 2008, but you're missing out. i'm cautious, but i'm optimistic i do think that, you know, we're in a really strong economy the biggest thing i'm concerned about is the fed overreacting.
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we were seeing some news that looks good while we celebrate that noose, we worry that the fed is going to get, you know, roll up their sleeves and raise interest rates some more, which is one of our biggest worries. >> alan, traders see if crude has bottomed and some of the soft commodities are rising because of this, could we be hitting an inflection point where inflation picks up, and could you imagine what a tighter fed would do there >> we already know what the fed is going to do the majority of the fed governors right now would like to see rates go higher two more times this year, which really shocked a lot of folks but notice the market didn't really react i think that's a disconnect between what the market views will happen and what the fed says is going to happen. this happens from time to time the fed has to talk, they have to use their bully pulpit to talk markets down, talk inflation expectations down.
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we just hope that they don't back it up with rate hikes i think we've done a lot in a short period of time and with a very fragile banking system, you know, we don't want to keep seeing rates go higher and higher >> i know you probably feel good about adobe, oracle, salesforce. ed, let me ask you about your price point. a point that others have made on the show about earnings is that estimates or expectations have fallen since january. so i'm curious if you can add that together for us >> my target last year and this year has been 4600, so we're get thing a little faster than i could have expected. i would prefer that it doesn't get there too quickly. i do have to make a decision, do i leave it there, raise it or lower it i think that on the earnings side, we are on the high side of
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earnings mostly because the earnings -- it was really all related to the profit margin shrinking. i see that companies are starting to scramble here to increase productivity and to figure out how to make things without having to just constantly raise prices and wages. i think consumers are starting to resist some of the price increases. so you put it all together, i think inflation is moderating. the cost side of the equation from companies is improving, moderating therefore, i think profit margins are probably bottomed. that will certainly give us a rebound in earnings, in my opinion. >> gentlemen, thank you for your time today appreciate it. let's talk a little more about this rally now it's not just the magnificent seven tech stocks that are up, semis are up this month. the small caps getting in on the action, on pace for their fifth straight week of gains
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my next guest says the trade is alive and well as investors chase these rallies. joining me now are my two guests before i dive into the triple witching or whatever, i noticed, chris, that goldman's derivatives team put out a warning that we could see a big drop in the s&p in the next month. would you be on a similar wavelength to that or not? >> the options are underpricing the chance of a big drop volatility has come in a lot, and kcorrelation is so low and the s&p is not moving as much. so the options are underpricing the odds of a sharp move lower, but i don't think it's a huge probability either way >> bob, how big a deal is the -- i take it we don't have a quad witching any more. explain to us what's going on. >> so this is two events
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happened today it happens four times a year this is an expiration day. it's now a triple witch. a triple witching is the quarterly expiration of stock and indecicision options and inx futures. we used to have single stock futures. this is not so much as a big event as it was 10, 20 years ago, because there are so many different kinds of options, including weekly, monthly options. even options that expire on same day. so there is a vast universe of people that want to participate in derivatives that used to have to use these quarterlies the more interesting one is rebalancing at the close we'll have pal alto networks then there will be the rebalancing around companies reducing their shares, like apple and meta that have been
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aggressively reducing their share counts the indexing companies, the s&p 500 index, they're going to be reducing their share count there. i think that will be interesting towards the close. i don't think we're going to see a lot of price movement, but we might. even today, we're seeing much heavier than normal volume >> chris, let's talk about some of the fomo you're seeing in options. how would you take advantage >> sure. we're seeing the upside calls really -- everyone is kind of chasing that performance and wants to be involved so what we will want to do is, you know, a lot of these -- they made a big run already, so you might be nervous getting long here because of how much downside you see on the chart. so you will want to look at a call spread, so that will be buying a closer to where the etf is call, and taking advantage of those out of the money calls and then a call spread, you're
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selling those out of the money calls. we're setting up a call spread, very limited costs you know what your risk is, the price that you paid. you don't have the downside of the etf pulling back, and you get in for a good price, because you take advantage of those upside call. >> i notice you're watching an area that i'm shocked at, or i admire, i don't know what word to use delta is up for the 16th straight session in a row. are you seeing people trying to lean against that or are they pushing into that strength >> it's interesting. a little bit of both so a bunch of the airlines, we are seeing some decent size put trades there most likely long airline players who are just happy about the move that's been made and they want to hedge some of it on the flipside, in delta and united airlines, investors are basically saying we mised this
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rally, but we would love to be involved on a pullback but also buying an upside call spread so using that put to finance the call spread saying if this moves higher, i want to be involved, as well. so that's an attractive strategy when you say i would love to buy a pullback but i don't want to miss a rally >> bob, let me turn to you the s&p is basically back to where it was when the fed first started hiking i don't think anybody had that on their bingo card. >> here's what you need to ask right now. what is the catalyst for a pullback i know you've had some doom and gloomers on recently ask yourself what is the catalyst for a potential pullback i don't mean 5% decline in the summer duh, that happens all the time that is not an interesting prediction the s&p is up 15%. what would it take for it to be flat in the next two months? think about it right now, it's hard to think like the s&p would go back to flat in the next couple of
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months everybody screams at me, the valuations are high. well, that is true however, earningsestimates are starting to rise again if that happens, you can argue for valuation. the big issue is the soft landing is winning, and that's the single most important thing. employment remains strong. earnings are holding up. interest rates look like they're topping out, and we didn't drop when the fed threatened to do a couple of additional rate hikes there. that means the soft landing is winning. so come up with a scenario, not a 5% summer correction where we go back to zero again on the year right now, i think the bears have a tough job right now >> gentlemen, thanks appreciate your time coming up, people are returning to the office, but will it be enough to save commercial office space? that trade getting demolished this year. and morgan stanley just wrapped up their annual cre conference an analyst joins us ahead.
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plus, amazon, apple and tesla have been getting all the attention in the tech rally, but the gains have been broad. the handful of names that have also been soaring. that's ahead in "tech check. and here is a look at the broader markets. we're off the morning highs but hanging on to a 54-point dow gain the nasdaq is back in the red by 11 russells, a similar drop ten-year, 3.77 back after this. what if you could make analyzing a big bank's data... no big deal? go on... well, what if you partner with ibm and red hat, use a hybrid cloud solution to connect data across clouds, then analyze all that data with watson. okay, but this needs to meet our... security standards? yup. compliance standards? mm-hmm. so they get the insights they need...
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welcome back troubles continue in the commercial real estate sector, even though more people are being pulled back to the office. data shows activity is only about half of prepandemic levels i asked one of the largest nonbank lenders about that yesterday. >> the issue with office is that there aren't discernible trends right now. we're waiting to see how this plays out from psychological and consumption perspective. >> my next guest joins me now.
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ron, great to see you. what was the mood? >> it was a really interesting conference, and office was obviously the focus. to set the table, when we talked to investors and office users, over the next three years, they expect to reduce their office space by about 10% so if you think about being 88% occupied before covid, at 82% today, and potentially going to 78%. so the mood was, i don't think investors were ready to step in yet in a big way there will be some opportunities down the line in special situations, but i think right now, most people remain on the sideline >> what do you do if you're office focused or a company with a lot of bad exposure >> good question so there is some clear trends happening in the office space right now. the most challenging has been on the west coast so think of downtown san francisco, downtown l.a. we're hearing some deceleration in the leasing space, so larger deals not being done
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so you sort of have to play defense and tweak your rents to get occupancy. on the other side of that coin, if you look at the east coast and manhattan, if you look at boston, you are seeing signs of activity and for the operators that are able to sort of protect occupancy, that's what i think investors will be able to gravitate to >> hudson pacific down 60% it's interesting you bring up life sciences. yesterday, jonathan lent was looking through the reits for some longs, and he looked at alexandria, expecting maybe to enter a position there, and came out with a short position. he was on "fast money" to discuss it, and make thing point, what is going on with life sciences? what's the macro that is driving concerns about that part which we all would think would be a relative source of strength in the office market. >> yeah. so the large-cap life sciences users, whether it's the pfizers
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or the modernas, are still doing fine and still around. what's happened in the life science spaces, the incremental demand drivers, life sciences funding has sort of dried up so you have taken that inkremental user out of the market so right now, you have the big users on pause, and the smaller users facing a funding cliff in the back half of the year, putting pressure on leasing activity that's what is putting a strain on the sector. >> alexandria, down 10% over the last year. let's talk about some things you are bullish on well tower, that's more senior living and kind of health care oriented, or we call it recovering from health care challenges talk to me about the fundamentals there, and where else in real estate broadly do you think it's well positioned >> that's right. we get this question a lot from investors. where is pricing still accelerating in the real estate
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space? and senior housing is one of the few spaces if you think about revenue for occupied room, it grew about 7% in the first quarter of the year we think that will continue to improve throughout the rest of the year you're growing twice as fast as the rest of the reit market. and this cycle, because of construction costs and delays, because of labor costs, there's been less supply coming online so not surprisingly, when you have the demand and supply tail wind, it paints an interesting picture. the other sector that came out was single family housing. single family housing, because of the mortgage rates, it's been very tough to buy a home most people have been forced renters. these are businesses operating -- rent-to-income ratio is five times covered, and so any time we can see a sector that's growing twice as fast
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organically without a supply head wind is pretty interesting. >> yeah. a lot of great stuff in here important time thank you for joining us >> thanks so much. >> ron cam ben with morgan stanley. coming up, meta getting a price hike today and google announcing two ai plays this week. plus, time and again, we have heard how older demographics are a key sales driver post pandemic there's one company that's made catering to them its main business the ceo of viking cruises joins us ahead here is the dow map. nike is one of the biggest gainers with visa. disney, unh the biggest losers "the exchange" is back after this
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generative ai type cycle adobe, netflix, broad come and others some consumer facing names, kelly, we wanted to go beyond -- it turns out it's not just the magnificent seven driving the markets. all of these names are up between 50% and 90% this year with market caps between $200 billion and $350 billion they are massive and driving the gains this year. >> so i guess the debate has been about broadening out. even if it is just nvidia or this kind of trading, how much further that can go. i'm just curious where people think the next stocks to watch >> i read your newsletter this morning with great interest. you kind of looked at the macro factors and said this is sort of a weird time for a melt-up but the narrative in tech is that there is this huge secular
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shift towards generative ai, which will lift big tech and the big caps but we're seeing some unprofitable tech rebound this year this shift is thought sob so big and so important, like the internet so maybe this can be sustainable if this leadership in tech can be sustained the market is looking for more proficient of montization. they're telling us about the product launches but not putting hard numbers behind it >> i think cava is frothier than nvidia when a company does a $3 billion revenue raise in a single quarter, i don't know the last time we saw a move of that scale in such a short period of time that is for real they deserve all the credit in the world but other things i'm not sure about >> it does feel a little
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2021-ish when you see an ipo like that. but that's good news for some of the tech names looking to go out. i guess the thinking is that this time, the bubble could be different because of that generative ai that everyone is trying to get in on. >> diedra, thank you coming up, everywhere you turn, there are more media stories about discontent at goldman sachs and with the ceo in particular. but one of our banking reporters sees something different shaping up that's next on "the exchange." ♪ ♪ every day, businesses everywhere are asking. is it possible? with comcast business...it is. is it possible to help keep our online platform safe from cyberthreats? so we can better protect our customer data? absolutely. can we provide health care virtually anywhere? we can help with that. is it possible to use predictive monitoring to address operations issues? we can help with that, too. with global secure networking from comcast business.
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welcome back to "the exchange." a tenth up, a tenth down, still coming off a big week for the markets. although ending on kind of a, should we call it a win? here are some of the movers we're focused on today another day, another analyst note on sofi we got two today actually. both downgrading the stock to neutral on valuation concerns. both positive long-term. piper lowered its price target
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from 650, and shares have doubled year-to-date and humana is warning insurance cost also be at the high end of its previous guidance due to a jump in outpatient services and dental services. humana is down 13% this week, and it follows similar commentary from united health which said seniors are catching up on knee and hip surgerisurge. unh with a 6.5% drop this week and i-robot surges as uk regulators approve amazon's purchase of the smart vacuum maker. shares are up about 20% on increased deal hopes today over to tyler mathsen now. >> thank you very much here is your cnbc news update. the gunman who opened fire in a pittsburgh synagogue in 2018 found guilty in dozens of charges. the verdict came down after just five hours of deliberation
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he had pleaded not guilty to 63 federal counts connected to the deadliest anti-semitic attack in u.s. history joe biden announced his pick to take over the cdc today he tapped mandy cohen to fill the spot, which will be vacated by rochelle walensky at the end of the month and the basketball legend michael jordan is selling his majority stake in the nba's charlotte hornets. he will retain minority ownership as part of the deal. the hornets have struggled under jordan's leadership. he's a better player than an owner. making the playoffs just two times, kelly back to you. >> still wonder if he made out pretty good, given where valuations are >> i'm sure he did just fine >> tyler nks thanks. goldman sachs, shares are
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down about 1.5% since january. second to bank of america, which is down 11%. and headlines about the ceo david solomon abound this week the daily beast publishing a piece, titled, goldman execs hate their ceo but my next guest says not so fast there's no indication that solomon is at risk of an ouster any time soon. hugh, i don't know sometime where there's smoke there's fire >> we've been on top of a lot of these stories, so you can understand why we're interested in this one. so there is reporting that the board is re-evaluating its opinion of mr. solomon you know, there is a lot to unpack first of all, it is not clear to me that there is any kind of imminent risk of ouster for mr. solomon. what i will say, though, is goldman a happy place to be right now? you put up the chart earlier,
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they're not doing that well. it's because they're the most tethered to wall street businesses, investment banking, which have been slow, and there is a slow bleed from a lot of these wall street firms where they have to lay off people. that's not happening goldman has a $1 billion push to cut experiences, so you have bankers that are flying around the world and wining and dining executives who have to now account for their expenses that doesn't have a lot of happiness for goldman. so yes, it is clear to me that there are undercurrents of displeasure, you know, we have broken a lot of stories about this they're grumbling about -- and this is common, you know, their cut of the bonuses compensation and i think that the meatiest and most substantial thing they complain about is his leadership style. when david solomon came in and decided to become a change agent
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as ceo, he said i'm going to be much more top down and much more like jpmorgan and other corporates rather than their history is a partnership. his predecessor was the senior partner. now you have solomon saying look, i'm clearly the ceo. i'm not going to bother trying to get consensus from you guys i'm going to tell you what the new rules are, and you're going to follow. that's clearly caused a lot of rumbling as you understand, it has taken the power from some of these partners and consolidated it in mr. solomon. >> how would you say that -- how would we grade david solomon's tenure so far compared to some of his predecessors? >> mr. solomon, he probably gets a b or a minus on the things you expect him to be good at
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investment banking, and other things when you talk about obviously these harder things to do, which used to be consumer banking and is now asset and wealth management, you know, that's sort of incomplete with marcus, that's probably something hlike a c, even an f. he used up credibility in the past year. he went whole hog into this business and then cut bait, as which reported so there is certainly -- you can say that he's burnt up some credibility doing that >> you might say -- or the reporting might be that his departure isn't imminent, but what should we expect his tenure length to be and at some point, people arage tatsi i-- agitating for change,s what could that change look like >> he's chairman of the board, so he's consolidated a bunch of the power.
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the most likely successor would be his president, john walgren so his person, his ordained deputy and so, you know, the question is, if it multimately got to tht point, is there enough space between those two men? is walgren the person that you could see in that position you could argue that he is like solomon but without the extracurriculars, the deejaying for instance so that could be possible. however, it could be years before any of that they just talked about their new strategic plan in february so i think he gets some time to execute the plan if you look at the stock performance of goldman sachs since october of 2018, it's not bad. they have done fairly well that gives him enough credibility to go forward. >> great reporting, hugh appreciate you bringing that to us coming up, google launching
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mark, are you in cannes? >> i will be next week i'm in the maldives vacationing. >> i know that cannes is going to be a mace where people are bringing attention to some of these new tools. give us an example of an ad business before and after ai >> i think what we're focused on initially is the creative end of it so providing tools that make building creative and getting a lot of versions of creative a lot easier, a lot less time consuming. we're orienting those towards professionals to make the professional creator so much more productive. and you'll see the whole media buying process is going to become more automated. so we call it viva the idea here is there is a lot of steps in the creative process, everything from
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scoreboarding to maybe there's 10, 20 seconds you need for a commercial so you can mix in essentially stock video, you can store it so the customer can see what they're going to get before they get the finished product, even if you're doing production so we just wanted to take the entire creative process and streamline it and make it a lot faster so customers know what they're getting. >> if advertising becomes a tool that can be tagged on to any platform, is the creative industry itself at risk here >> i don't think so. you know, there is obviously a lot of people who think that ai, you know, kind of threatens the livelihood of a lot of people. i'm more in the camp where i think the productivity gains are actually going to just make -- you know, are going to create more jobs. like i said, we're sentering what we do around the
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professional, because i think at the end of the day, you don't want to become a videographer. what you want is your videographer to produce what you want in a lot less time and get you exactly what you wanted at the end. so we're focused more on that. we think that's where it's going to go. >> it sounds like it would be fun to play around with, just to see what these tools can do. what do you think are the winners across big tech or some of the platforms and who are the losers as we enter this new age of this technology >> so everybody is officially thinking open ai and microsoft and google there's a huge open source effort underway in the ai arena that has developed so fast that it's a little below the surface. if you think back to 2000, they had like four years to perfect search before anyone paid attention.
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and now, you're not getting that it's like three months and open ai is already getting significant competition from like open source developers. so i think it's going to may out a lot differently than people think. i think open source can play a big role in you ai develops. >> and still benefit the big tech platforms >> yeah, at the end i think they benefit in some way. a really interesting ing things facebook released a version, and it got leaked. and now there's all this open source developing around facebook's platform. facebook keeps whatever the developers create. some people think they did it deliberately so basically the open source development makes it a lot more competitive and the big platforms make it usable for the average consumer but it's not going to be just like this one winner, like you had in search. >> i remember jim cramer saying
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older consumers. one company capitalizing on that is viking cruises, all right exceeding 2019 revenue levels. for more i'm joined in an exclusive with torstein hagen, viking cruise's founder. welcome. when did you found this company? >> we were at 25 years last year it's been quite a ride it's nicer to talk about travel today than a few years ago. >> in those 25 years, is the spending power of your demographic higher than ever >> yeah. we were lucky, or clever, whatever you call it we focused on grown-up people. we have taken -- our product is well-designed for adult people
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we don't allow children on board. we appeal to the thinking person that has been very, very favorable for us. >> i'm trying not to chuckle when you talk about grownups and the thinking person. the vibe comes across. you're looking for people interested in history and culture. what's the ticket price we're talking and what are the expansion plans? >> the ticket prices vary. typically 6, $7,000 for a week cruise is a good price we're different from others. many of the public cruise lines live from getting people on board the ships and try to sell them something on the ships. we take the approach that people should pay in advance, know what they're paying and get what they paid for that's served us extremely well. during these last ten years or so, we've grown 25% per year
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there are more and more people of the right age category. when i started the company i was 54 that was 25 years ago. don't do the addition. there's more of us now and i think we've come to realize that we don't need things anymore we need experiences. somebody told me the other day we have so many closets full of stuff we don't need. i think the true luxury is when you can go on a cruise ship or ocean ship and you can experience new destinations and new people here ours is different from others our main destination is europe 60% of our itineraries are europe the caribbean is only 4% if you flip to the public cruise lines, it's the other way around
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i think we are people who want experiences. they're prepared to go longer away from home i took my first vacation in this 25-year period over christmas. i must say it was a phenomenal experience we want something we haven't been to before i think we've been very fortunate. also the pandemic was terrible, but i dare say we came out of that much earlier than anybody else already in 2022 we were back to the revenue levels from 2019 this is related to the way we behaved during the pandemic, both to our guests and our staff. we took action we behaved very responsibly. we can think long term we're family-owned company
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we worry about what's right for the customer. >> would you ever go public? >> you never know. at one stage it may be the right thing to do. if we became a public company, we would not think about the quarters we would think about what's right for the long term. >> well, listen, what you've built and -- i hope to be traveling like you -- i won't do the math out loud. when i'm your age and able to have those experiences, everyone will be going after the same thing. torstein hagen, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, kelly. let's get a quick check on the cruise stocks. they've had a big rally this week with carnival up more than 21%, norwegian, 13%. the enthusiasm as he mentioned unabated that does it for "the exchange." you can sign up for miy news
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