cyber crime in history, an operation that lives up to its name. >> when albert called this caper "operation get rich, or die tryin'", i'm sure he didn't actually intend for anyone to tryin'", i'm sure he didn't actually intend for anyone to die. ♪ very warm welcome to a different show from squawk box. it's "street signs." we have 30 trillion yen in sales. volkswagen shares still sinking despite the deal despite the fact that the german automaker has now struck a deal

with labor unions and averting further strikes. novo nordisk shares looking substantial. 9% surging to the top stoxx after the weakened trial data last week sending shares 20% lower on friday. how about this one u.s. futures pointing higher as raiders gear up for a holiday shortened week for some and the president-elect, this time, mr. trump taking the spotlight with the new threat this time, seeking ownership potentially of the panama canal. >> the fees charged by panama ridiculous highly unfair. this complete rip off of our country will immediately stop. it's going to stop we'll come back to this

story. i'm sure that the panama canal isn't for sale greenland isn't other. he is putting together a government and conscious gressi approval in the new year averting the shutdown with 38 minutes of shutdown. already, he is talking about -- dare i say, it is sounds imperial for a nation that wants to bring troops home from foreign wars and pull itself out of multilateral organizations and country that pride it is self on not having imperial relations. greenland, panama, they're not for sale. set up a joint holding company in a move which could result in the third largest automaker. the companies are targeting june

2025 to complete the talks and hope to set up a holding company by august the following year this is a slow burn story, isn't it the nissan ceo took investors through the deal >> translator: we decided today to start discussing toward business integration beyond the current collaboration framework and important step forward for our future based on mechanical calculation, if we combine the two companies, net revenue adds 30 trillion yen and sales volume of 75 billion units if integration becomes a reality, we will become the top company. competitive landscape is changing rapidly as new years make inroads into the markets. economies of scale is increasingly important in the

current context. by bringing together the two teams, we expect to enjoy great synergy in various markets. >> jat respect to that gentlemen. i have spoken to him over the years. i have to diverge. putting two struggling automakers together doesn't make a competitive market for china this is a huge problem come to volkswagen, the same issue. in 2013, 2013, 11 years ago, the company, nissan, sold 4.9 million cars this year, it's going to sell about 3 billion. that's come off 40% in a decade as well. why putting them together avert it it may well do you need to see more and better products and products against tesla and the chinese and the threats and challenges with ev/hybrid represents as well honda is the senior partner in this as well

honda, over the same period, 10 or 11 years ago sold 3.4 million vehicles it's less than a decline you get my point here as well. this is going to be stunningly trying as it is for volkswagen. the same story for volkswagen. shares are barely moving this is down does despite it reached a deal. in the agreement, the unions hail as a christmas miracle. how is this a christmas iracle if you are losing over 35,000 jobs rather than cutting plants? olof scholz applauded what he called a good, socially acceptable solution. i wouldn't say that socially acceptable for 36,000 people it economic reality. we all know it i spoke to you earlier on about

massive reactions. massive reactions on markets because they are concerned about valuations we talk about it with nvidia and magnificent seven and how the u.s. markets moved on concerns of the host of issues. namely that rates will be higher for longer than previously expected we have our own stocks here in europe, that is a surprise for you. novo nordisk is one of the big driving forces of weight loss drugs. you know this. 9% higher. violent reaction 9% he have a chart of this one over the last week. it's on track for its best day since august that's a great chart that shows you what happened last week when the numbers, 21% slide on friday following worst than the expected drug results lost 22% of body weight.

huge you lose 22.7% of body weight. that is unbelievable amount of weight but, this is the point, it was less than 25% the company targeted this goes back to the issue we talk about on "european squawk box. the result only marginally beat that of the rival eli lilly's drug which is called monjauro. there is a metaphor that the rivals are coming up the rails all of a sudden, the furlongs are turning into inches. let's look at the europe market because of the novo nordisk move and we don't talk about magnificent seven, we talk about

the granolas it's a strange acronym. you have more stocks rising. 65% of stocks in negative territory. that's why we're trading around the flat line. european sectors ftse just clawed back. that is not telling the full story i suggest. it's the 23rd of december, the night before, the night before christmas eve. it looks flight. the dull days. it is anything but dull at the moment we've got the shutdown news and the fed and the big moves in nvidia and big moves in bitcoin and the japanese carmakers and volkswagen there is so much still going on. sector gainers look like this. what is in positive territory? healthcare novo nordisk the rest of them forget it really what about sector decliners? what is down under pressure? travel and leisure good luck to any of you of my

wonderful audience traveling these couple days. braver set of men and women than i am the fed's favorite inflation pce has come in softer in november headline inflation 2.4% higher that is short of the forecast. core pce missed expectations of 2% on the year president-elect says he plans to nominate billionaire investor steven fineberg as secretary. no i'll move on trump picked the former secretary stephen miran ver th former treasury official of seeking to manipulate the economy during the election and damaging the fight against

through short-term debt issuance incoming government efficiency czar posted early this morning on x. trump used -- this is interesting. trump used the rally to suggest musk is the power behind the president. listen to this you can tell somebody is getting under his skin here. listen to this >> of all of the hoaxes, the new one is president trump has ceded the presidency to elon musk. no, no that's not happening buoy lon'st elon's done an ing b he's not going to be president, that i can tell you.

i'm safe you know why he can't be. he wasn't born in this country >> genuinely looking how musk can't be president somebody else who is not president is david raush david, would you be very near the top of my list lovely to see you, my friend my job, i think, is easy next year i just have to spend most of my year saying trump or saying it in a questioning kind of way it is all about trump for next year, isn't it >> yes, but there's china and xi, he may doing something if the economy doesn't recover and you happen to be sitting in taiwan what happens if his economy doesn't do what trump thinks the u.s. economy is going to do, but won't? you could look that way. what about dear old putin?

his economy is starting to crack and the attack on his question and answer with the greater populous during the week and now running scared because there are no boats for fasteners and goes to upstairs windows. stepped away from increasing interest rates which she spent the last three months justifying the move to 23%. it didn't happen i think there's lots of things to happen. the russian economy can start to collapse and putin with, you know, be kicked out and replaced by chaos there's much of a vocation for democracy there. xi could decide to do something militant against taiwan. there are a lot of things that could happen i think you need to brush up on your mandarin and russian annual and you'll be fine >> crickey, david.

>> you need french because the populous will take over france in june when they cause the nice farmer, mr. barnier, to collapse his government will be gone and marine le pen will march in to the sound into the embassy and you're all screwed. >> that's very interesting david, one thing when we looked at the risks there you mentioned xi and concerned about aggressive foreign policy and the concerns of the russian economic collapse and what that could mean geopolitically as well and the politics in france which have been stunning ly ly y abysmal for macron as well for 2024 these are all political concerns you haven't mentioned market concerns how should i be concerned about valuations and debt levels

>> much more you started out with only being able to pronounce what's his name trump? >> i believe it's president musk sorry, trump. >> others equally inflated yes, let's look at another market risk. if anything happens worldwide, it happens in the united states first. interest rates could not go down, but go up in the second half of the year how would that happen? it would happen if trump's policies don't work. let's take two chapters on that. the first way they wouldn't work is tariffs are expensive tax on consumers and tax on u.s. domestic producers you could get stagflation picture in the u.s. where consumer prices are rising and the industries which have a lot of goods from china going into the inputs are not producing or investing as much.

bang and bingo, i will raise rates and trump with the hedge fund lap dogs around him and amateur will immediately attack the fed. what could happen there is really interesting it is because if they do attack the fed and it seems to gain traction, then that's the end of the strong dollar story which adds to the woes finally, i have been meeting a large number of people who are turning themselves into bond vigilantes when trump's tariffs do not generate the taxes to create the u.s. spending, the budget is 6%. running above france and the debt-to-gdp is 120 which is moving you could get the sort of vigilante attack on the bond market which would force the long end of the market out and at the same time the fed thinking of increasing the short end. that's where the market risk

comes in there is no valuation for that the valuations could not come. >> why on equities are safer haven and the blue chip positive companies a safer haven than the government bond markets now, david? i'm not talking about the general market, but the proven growth strategies regardless of the cycle? i think the companies are better run than the government and they deserve more of a premium for being safer havens >> they are safer havens because they are run by more come pe competent people my children can't name the prime minister they are simply not attracted to politics you have to pull-pull. that's why you have to go for corporate management i don't think that actually works. actually, all of the valuations

reflect continuous eternal low interest rates once you raise the expectations of the interest rates, the discount factor for future profits, nevertheless the value of the company goes down when interest rates go up i think that is the major market motor of recession and equities which will turn out not to be a safe haven because everybody is exposed to them. >> is that actually your call for 2025, david, that we do have a recession and see the stock market down aggressively >> let me expand on the idea a bit. the answer is yes and then yes and then another yes i will say one other thing you say you have huge pockets of overvaluation and assets like private equity and non-bank credit this is not only the magnificent seven, but the economic system when you increase the cost of money, the valuation of the people's assets which haven't

been valued properly for ee i don't know eons will have to plummet. you have it going to the credit channel and that's when the financial market turbulence will turn into the economic down draft. down draft is a bad word it is like leaving a door open and you can close it i'm not saying that. economic turbulence can come from the feedback loops from the valuation and starting to go into the economy >> let me ask you one more question before we go to break you'll stay with us after that thank you. you mentioned me brushing up my mandarin we established that will not happen i am hopeless to that level. in terms of the stimulus thrown at china, they are throwing a lot at it and they do have not only short-term concerns, but medium-term strategies

the chinese, david, think in longer-term strategy and longer-term actions as well. why won't all of these things thrown, pboc physical policy, all of these things thrown at the chinese and nese consume are, why won't they start to turn >> they could. i'm not saying they won't. i don't think they will. i tell you why the better people to tell you. the story is this, stimulus which is huge, is going into propping up balance sheets and going to help the local government finance in the debt markets and buy some property they don't need. most of this, not all of it, most of it will go to holding up the supply side of the economy therefore, china will not collapse what it is going with the cuts in mortgage rates and get a

government subsidy if you swap your petrol car for an ev, with the exception of that, nothing is going into the demand you are seeing a blip in the economy because the finance is being spent on property to try and solve the overhang it's not enough to do so you are getting a blip in profit prices if you pump money into the state owned enterprise, surprise, surprise, production goes up does anyone need that? no now, the other thing on top of this weak domestic demand, you got excess investment exported into world markets which trump will hit and he is really going to hit this with a hammer on the head so, that's stimulus. that chinese growth will fade. i think you've seen a lot of exports in the last month getting into america ahead of

trump's tariffs. you lose the ex-ternal driver. boring bedtime story there you are. >> thanks, david we had a few concerns of china and the u.s. and about russia and about france before the break as well. why don't we cheer up after the break. let's find an economy we can really get our teeth into and have a happy conversation about, maybe we can talk about the united kingdom >> what a place. >> let's do it that will cheer us all up. growth data showing the uk economy, drum roll please, flat lines in the third quarter as business expectations sour we'll bring you the latest with david roche coming up next

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for the worst of both worlgds. britain's economy flat lining despite the figure pointing to ten basis points expansion flat is flat that is good news coming in 1.9% higher versus 1.2% that is really good news that latter piece of data. in the release, the office for national statistics said estimates show falling 0.2 for the period david roche and his children asking for the prime minister of uk is keir starmer david, he may be the prime minister at the moment on, but he did it on the mandate of 34% which led to the landslide of the post system as well. quite frankly, they came into power offering change and putting growth at the center of

their strategy it was about growth, growth, growth i know because i spoke to rachel reeves many times. are they failing or is it still to come? >> i think they're failing, but then i think the rhetoric about changing a country which is characteristic like the uk which almost condemn it to low growth, you know, you just can't do that you have to really change things in the revolutionary manner like rejoin the eu which is the natural market for the uk and raise investment and confidence and everything else. of course, they're stuck in the space. the entire weight of listing productive investment depends on domestic factors there is nothing else happening on the side that will shift this

going in with domestic factors is difficult and increasing the cost of business is not the right way to go about it it is really sad you want me to tell you a nice story about the uk at the end so everything you wake up on christmas day and everything is fine i say two things integration in europe is the first thing. the second thing is stop skimping on money for the armed forces they are the best in europe. it is a natural born advantage and you probably will be needing it >> i hear armed forces soldiers are quitting in droves because the pay raises weren't enough this year. has this government done something which a lot of our viewers will know is historically strange i.e., they decided the state rather than the private sector cause growth

the prime minister can do its bit, with you we we can do mor lifting as well? >> in my book, yes i mean, i think there are things that need to be done in the uk and elsewhere which are best done collectively and need intervention that's where there are constraints upon small nations achieving on their own for instance and where you need to be part of the bigger block to get the job done to come back to european defense, you can't do that on the level of belgium and holland. you really have to get it done on the level of community. the same in the sense in the uk. there are areas in which the uk could benefit from greater state intervention in some of the private sectors

such as railways and airports. there are areas that can be run better by the state as a public good in the name f , if have a sprini the step, you need to pay taxes to remove the barriers so the spring in the step of the private sector can then have freedom to dominate the economic development. that's what you have to do and this is not happening. not as far as i can see. >> a quick word. david, i'm not sure about the ftse 100, but despite everything, and the individual corporates and the ftse remains most unloved index i don't know if it is the most unloved index in the g-10, but it feels like it you have enormous numbers of good international companies trading on such a low level. is there something going on here where the trevails of the government are mixed up in the

global marketplace and by and large do a pretty good job of it are we con have va voe convalu two? >> they don't have the same. that's a very good point i think it is right. for instance, uk corporations are highly integrate n integra economy. you say that is a t of a dog spinner. people are doing macro asset allocation are quite dull people like me. uk is a mess don't believe in the government. let's go on and look at some place dynamic like, shall we say, france or ill italy

whatever the uk is better than the countries they are listed in >> david f , if you are dull, il take your brand of thinking. i enjoyed. have a great christmas and new year, david. i can't wait to speak on to you again. it is a few days away. we will get you in january david roche. always a pleasure, sir thank you. coming up on the show, someone who is never dull. doesn't understand dull. the president-elect donald trump threatens to push control of the panama canal we'll bring you the comments after the break.

very warm welcome to the day before the day before christmas. you are watching "street signs." i'm steve sedgwick these are your headlineses nissan and honda in merger talks to create the third largest automaker. volkswagen shares still under pressure sinking to the bottom of the dax despite the german automaker striking a deal with labor unions with over 4 billion savings annually. look at this volatile you had novo nordisk down 21% on friday now up 9%. rebounding to the top of the stoxx 600 on best or or track for the best day in over six months this after weaker than expected trial data how about this one as well u.s. futures pointing higher traders s gearing up for a hola

shortened week now president-elect trump threatening to take ownership of the panama canal >> ridiculous. highly unfair. this complete ripoff of our country will immediately stop. it's going to stop >> panama canal. he is not busy enough in washington let's look at the heat map do you know, it's interesting. you look at that and say there's not a lot going on up 2.16% there is so much going on. this time of year is expected to be down. i'm sitting here trying to tell through is so much going on stateside or with the fed bitcoin or nvidia and what trump

is saying and in europe. volkswagen and novo nordisk. then you've got the news out of japanese which is seismic for the industry we'll talk about it next year, maybe. sector gains and losers. one sector moving up really. properly moving up healthcare losers healthcare with a gainer on novo nordisk. down is travel and leisure they clawed back a little bit. all i can say to our audience stateside and europe, good luck. if you are getting on a plane, good luck. the airports are chaotic right. the united states congress averted a government shutdown bypassing spending legislation on saturday. it was saturday. it wasn't friday night we had a shutdown for 38 minutes. nothing happened trust me this after government funding expired at midnight. chris pollone joins us from washington

my goodness me, we talk about the world, chris, d.c. how exciting is that >> reporter: never a dull moment that is the truth here they thought they had a deal in place last wednesday everything looked great. republicans and democrats thought they were going home for the holidays and then social media. president-elect trump and his billionaire friend donor who has been in his constant orbit since election, elon musk, unleased a fuselage of social media posts criticizing the deal that leadership had hammered out over the past few weeks and the president-elect also demanded that anything that be passed would have an elimination of the debt limit that often comes up here in the u.s. for the federal government so, it was back to the drawing board. that deal collapsed. speaker mike johnson had to

rally his troops he went up against some hard-lined budget republican republicans who did not want to see the debt limit removed because they want to hold the line on spending it was a scramble. like you said, the house passed a new version of the bill, a stripped down version of the bill late, late friday night the senate voted past the deadline actually in saturday and president biden signed the bill into law that means the federal government is open here. people will get their paychecks who work for the federal government and the federal government will continue being funded at current levels until mid march. there is also $100 billion in the continuing resolution to provide aid to victims of hurricanes helene and milton there were other provisions in the bill stripped out and ultimately passed as well.

they ultimately stood up to the president-elect and the debt provision was not put from there. that is something he will have to deal with when he is president by the middle of next year >> chris, obviously, it is so exciting i'm so glad you are not only awake, but stunningly lucid at 4:38 in the morning. i take my hat off to you thank you for that i have think we may chat later thanks, chris. i tell you what, every one in d.c. is looking at panama because there's so much going. how about this president-elect trump will demand the panama canal is returned to the u.s. it's in panama, sir. returned to the u.s. if shipping rates are not reduced. donald trump repeated it as a national asset. >> our navy and commerce have been treated unfair and

injudicious way. the fees charged by panama are ridiculous highly unfair. especially knowing the extraordinary generosity that has been bestowed to panama, i say very foolishly, by the united states. this complete ripoff of our country will immediately stop. it's going to stop the united states has a big and vested interest in the secure, efficient and reliable operation of the panama canal. >> the truth is it is complicated in terms of the panama canal and its relationship with the u.s. as well with part of the group that banked construction. the french started construction in '81 the construction company that started the suez canal the canal was handed over to the

panamanians in the treaty. it's fascinating on the screen now, the team have moved on to greenland. i'll move on the president-elect used his truth social account to suggest he wants greenland under u.s. control. i don't think it's for sale. i don't think -- anyway. he wants greenland under u.s. control in part of the post appointing the paypal cofounder. described the territory as a necessity having canceled a trip to denmark during his first term when he was told greenland was not for sale my producer is married to a dane is greenland for sale? what's that? the french want to renegotiate louisiana. it's not for sale. alaska i don't think it's for sale. the mexicans and spanish

they want california not for sale i'm shocked. it's been a trying year for the europeans with the fiscal position silvia filed this report on what to look out for next year. >> a new year and commission and series of new challenges on the horizon for the european union trade, ukraine and fiscal deficits kicking off with trade donald trump enters the white house at the end of january with 20% tariffs. that could leave some states and countries on the hook. carmakers and food and beverage producers and pharma companies are among the main ex-porters to the u.s. with several big names taking a hit on tariffs. europe could also find itself caught in the crossfire of trump's other target, china. there are fears in brussels that rising u.s. tariffs on chinese

imports could see beijing flood the european markets that would add to the crisis of competitiveness of european industry the ukraine war will enter the fourth area in february and thank you they are looking at donald trump pulling the plug on u.s. military funding. it could double the aid to ukraine to continue fighting continuing support to ukraine could be tricky given the fiscal positions across europe. france's budget deficit is set to top 6% of gdp in 2024 france is far from being the only country racking up a big bill keep members, including italy and poland are also falling under the 3% eu deficit rule those countries known for the fiscal hawkishness have all seen their deficits increase in recent years

for cnbc business news, i'm silvia amaro in london . >> we now have our guest with us to discuss the outlook >> pleasure. >> what don't we know about 2025 that you can enlighten us about? i can't help thinking about the tensions that came to the floor after the u.s. election will dominate things? >> absolutely. we might see more to come. with trump in u.s. security and trade and foreign policy we don't know what is the response of the other side the chinese and europeans and so on i think here, the rule of the day and uncertainty from the 20th of january onwards as you mentioned before about the remarks about panama and

greenland. the rules that we have taken for granted and the frame of business that provided a back drop since the second world war, there is a shift the rules will be changing we will see loss of activity from trump from the early days this is going to create a very significant amount of uncertainty. >> i get that, but i don't mind things shaken up the washington consensus of the late 1940s with the wto or imf or world bank, and you would agree, is not fit for purpose in the 21st century with different power ones and positions as well we do want things shaken up a bit, don't we? had. >> yes, but it will be ideally in an environment where there is a certain element of predictability especially not just a zero sum game that is the message that is

coming from washington is different. that is the issue. especially the environment where you have already plenty of uncertainty and economic back drop which your report suggests is not particularly strong so, that creates all sorts of complications and uncertainty to businesses. >> but, do you know, i look at europe and i look at europe under the biden administration where the chips act and i.r.a. i couldn't see any reason why guests would want to invest in the united states. now we have italians galore, you know, you are in bologna this is a natural reaction that's a good thing, isn't it? >> there is lots of talk about that there is no money and there is no political will. again, all the noise about the

draghi report will not last long if you look around in europe, who is going to push for this measure and idea there is no government in germany. we might get one best case scenario at the end of march or early april best case, macron is a lame duck and minority government in spain and it can go on we averted in the past the beautiful reports with very good ideas, but the political will is there. you made a comparison to the past if you go back to years ago, we're still talking about banking union and capital market union. right now, there is no real chance we will see the light at the end of the day so, that is where we are in europe at this point lots of noise, but not much action and i think most importantly the political majority which is required to make action, significant action

in terms of ther integration and pushing with the green story and pushing with the defense funds, this political majority is difficult to achieve in any election across europe these days >> you have done something amazing. you made me sound pessimistic. >> i can give you a good story >> i do. i want something that's going to go right in 2025 for europe. >> well, if things go as they seem like right now and we should take this with a pinch of salt because the election will be coming difficult to predict if we have an election in germany, there is a good chance the german government will look at the debt brake and deal with that which would unleash more fiscal spend from the germans. that is a good story that is something that is being

a bit of a problem for some time so, maybe it is time to address that when we look at europe if you look across the globe, i think there are other positive stories there. i think one of the countries that benefits from what will happen when washington on the 20th of january. there is positive good stories what i think is missing or what i think is missing is the sense of predictability, actually. that, i think, is one of the dominating features for 2025 >> we did it we found something positive. i'm excited about that you have a great christmas, my friend we love your reports thank you for everything i'll see you next year the copresident at teneo. coming up on the show, would you use a.i. for a job application? we will find how a.i. has been

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recruitment firms says job seekers are used a.i. tools to recruit staff which is caused to be overwhelmed by high numbers of candidates. rebekah is joining us from boston good to see you. at the end of the day, the cv only gets you so far because you have to see people are they sorting this out? >> reporter: one of the biggest challenges is not enhanced cvs with the a.i it is the number of applications people are applying to at once

using bots you can install a bot on the computer and what once as a ten-minute application is now becoming 100 in one minute this is a number of businesses which reduced recruiting teams and the hiring managers are doing the work and systems they are not used to using with the flow of work it is stagnating the way people are hired. we are seeing the number of business days it takes someone to post a job and then to be hired probably up 25% in the last year or so which is significant given there are a lot of people on the market need to find work. >> that is significant how are the recruiters and people in your industry, how are they responding or getting smarter? maybe using a.i. themselves? >> yes, well the back office applications, hiring platforms and payroll and accounting, we are really starting our journey

on the path of a.i. implementing different features within the platform that can drive efficiency interview scheduling or screening. you can use a.i. to discover candidates more readily in i a group of thousands you can use a.i. to schedule on your behalf or generate offer letters. you see companies start to ex-ex- ex-ex- experiment with this we estimate 30% of customers installed these agents >> rebecca, when i had my first job in the financial markets, '80s, i used an ink pen. it was an actual ink pen is there a back to the future strategy yes, as a recruiter, use a.i use the old techniques that don't involve technology to get

to the core of the person and if they are the right person for your company >> it is interesting my first job was a recruiter i remember what i loved about that job was i could connect with people. i could have a conversation. i could validate their skills offline versuses the tools and bots and tricks. it went the wrong way and turned into a work flow 90% of people is clicking buttons and generating letters and scheduling interviews. i think the introduction of a.i. into the work flow will offer more opportunity to spend time with candidates connecting with them over the phone. val the reason why people leave organizations is the person they're working for is not a good match or the job they applied to is not the job they ultimately have.

these moments of conversation give us the opportunity to stretch beyond that. >> rebecca, i would be remiss if i didn't ask about the jobs market at the moment people are concerned about the trends for 2025. give us your round robin >> i think there will be a continue bit of nation in the hiring space they will have to invest into new innovations and new products things that will help them stand out. they will be recruiting for very specialized skills there will be folks coming up through the market that have those skills they're going to be the ones to get hired and implement the products

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