prices go down, do you do you work at all to protect the investor side? that's one of the many questions that we're going to ask chris. right. i guess i'll think of the rest of them probably tonight or tomorrow morning. >> i love that chris has been on both sides of it. he understands what investors are worried about and what maybe the country wants. brian looking forward to it. we'll see you tomorrow. and thanks for watching. power lunch everybody. closing bell starts right now. >> all right. >> thanks so much. welcome to closing bell i'm scott wapner. live from post nine here at the new york stock exchange. this make or break hour begins with the run up to amazon earnings, one of the last mega-cap tech names to report amid questions about how the biggest companies in this market are positioning themselves, what they're spending, and maybe most of all, when they will see a return on all that cash. we will ask our panel of experts today, including super analyst mark mahaney, what he expects in just a few moments. in the meantime, let's show you the scorecard here. with 60 to go in regulation. we were mixed. not so much anymore. we are now red across the board. s&p not a big loser. nor is the nasdaq today. but nonetheless we are red

financials one of the bright spots in this market today. and so is meta. wow what a standout. once again that stock going for a record 14 straight positive sessions. we will track every move into the close today a notable decliner is skyworks shares sharply lower on the earnings and the outlook. we'll watch that closely too. down almost 25%. it does take us to our talk of the tape. another big moment for big tech as amazon reports in just about one hour. so let's bring in our experts. mark mahaney is head of internet research for evercore isi. and jason snipe owns that stock. he's with odyssey capital, also a cnbc contributor. welcome both. it's good to have you. good to be here mark. first and foremost, does everything come down to aws growth? >> no. >> but most things do. so you had deceleration sort of surprising deceleration by both azure and. google cloud. and so the market that's why amazon's sort of sort of. >> underperformed the. >> last day or two. >> and so yeah. >> the bar.

>> got lowered. >> it's kind of simple. now the. >> street's looking. >> for 19%. >> revenue growth for aws. less than that. >> stock trades. >> off more. >> than that. stock trades up. now that's everything else being equal. you need the other things. being equal would be they had really strong operating. >> margin expansion in the retail business last quarter. >> investors want. >> to see that again. we're pretty. >> certain that they'll see it again. >> they also want to see. advertising revenue start maybe picking. >> back up a. >> little bit. companies made a. >> big effort and it's. >> got a lot more inventory. >> they've. >> been monetizing. >> so show. >> it in the numbers. >> let's see some. >> acceleration in amazon's. >> advertising revenue. we think. >> we're going to get that too. >> so mark you don't need a two handle in terms of the growth estimate for aws. and i mean 20 seems to be the number that anything even in the high teens is going to be viewed as a disappointment. are you saying there was a reset lower because of both alphabet and microsoft? >> well, i think. >> yeah, absolutely. >> i think there was a reset lower, but i. >> don't want to. >> be too. >> finite about it, but. >> i will. i think 19%. >> is your over under scott. so you know, 20% green, 18% red and

gray. that's the middle color that's going to be that's going to be that's. >> going to be 19%. >> so i think that's really your over. under on aws growth. >> because 20% would. >> show you acceleration. >> what the. >> problem that both azure and. aws that google cloud. >> talked. >> about was supply constraints. >> the question is whether aws. >> has. >> been more capable. >> of handling supply constraints. >> than those other two cloud vendors. i don't know, so. >> i think. >> i'm sticking with this 19% number. we'll find out in an hour. >> yes we will. all right. jay, what do you what are you looking for most. yeah. no. >> i think i think. >> mark summed. >> up the aws piece i think is going to be huge clearly. there's no doubt about that. i think. >> the other. >> story that i think is going to be major for me is operating income. operating income was up 56%. >> year over year. >> last quarter. >> we expected 44%. >> this year. i mean, this. >> quarter, which i think will be a phenomenal number. >> you know. >> what i what i kind of like the clock to is obviously. jassy

taking the helm. >> you know, a couple. >> of years ago. and obviously he's been really cleaning up the business. he let. >> go 20,000. >> 27,000 i'm sorry, employees over the. >> last two years. >> so he's definitely focusing on operating income and margin. so margin growth will also be very important to me. obviously we're looking for at least 10% there. so i expect this to be a strong quarter. all the way around. the retail business is obviously continuing to do well, getting back some of the pandemic gains that they had, retaining those gains. so i expect retail to also be strong. so those are some of the items that i'm looking for this quarter. >> what about. >> capex markets? the metric du jour. obviously, given what is happening with deep sea and what these other companies are saying, they'll spend 77 billion, is that the right number to look at for an annual spend. >> for this year? yeah, but the question. >> is whether they'll give. >> capex guidance for 25. >> i'll make a bet with you, scott. if they. >> give.

>> capex guidance. >> it's going. >> to be it's. >> going to be because. >> it's a really large number like 90 to 100 billion. >> and they want to they want to they want to get the. >> market used. >> to that number. >> and i think the. >> stock would probably sell off on that unless there was acceleration in aws. >> i do also want to. >> make one quick point. >> here. >> a wonderful historical. >> point about amazon tonight. >> scott. >> i know you've been looking. at amazon for many, many years. >> this is going to be the first. >> quarter in which. >> amazon is bigger. >> than walmart in terms of revenue. first time ever. i mean, i'm glad you i'm glad you bring that up. yeah, i'm glad you bring that up. and i was going to ask you about that because it is a milestone moment for this name. it obviously, you know, brings up, you know, how good the sales are going to be. revenue growth again for, you know, the likes of an alphabet revenue growth numbers were disappointing. the lowest growth rate since 23. how do we judge this versus that. >> well for both of these you. >> know these companies have matured. >> into. >> their middle aged. >> into their middle ages. >> you know we're doing. >> 10% retail revenue growth for

amazon. >> and that. >> that would. >> be a good number. so yeah they need to maintain that show sort of stability in that. and then what investors. >> are going to want to look. >> for they're. >> going. >> to look for amazon's. >> other bets. just like with. >> google there's kind. >> of new growth areas. >> although waymo is still years away. >> from. being material. but at least they've. got a waymo. what's amazon's waymo. >> i think there's a couple of things. >> that are out. >> there that are actually very interesting. and they may. >> start talking about them on this. >> earnings call. >> one is kuiper, the satellite broadband based service. >> we should get. >> some rocket launches. >> that. may impact the p and l, by the way, in the march quarter. so i'm looking for that. amazon pharmacy i think that's a really interesting. >> new growth area for them. >> and then. >> they still haven't cracked the code on amazon grocery. >> they never maybe maybe. >> they. >> never will. but that's a really interesting growth area. >> if they can figure. >> out how to how to how to succeed in that market, that's a. >> very. >> difficult thing to do. but that's what i'm looking for. and investors will too. where's the where are my option plays. >> yeah i'll. >> go back to jason snipe i mean are you looking for option plays tonight. >> absolutely. i think one of the other interesting plays for me is alexa. right. kind of the

alexa ai intelligence that they're looking to discuss. let's see what that looks like because they're presenting potentially a 5 to $10 membership fee. you know, there's $100 million, 100 million users that could represent another 5 to $600 million in revenue. so i'm curious to see that. obviously, it looks like it will be launched later this month or potentially early into q2, but that could be another line item that could be very accretive for this company. with all the all the multiple plays that they already have at at in motion and obviously generating revenue, so that that would be the one that i'd be looking closely to. >> do you like that idea, mark? >> yeah. >> but my guess. >> is that if i were to. >> average the number of. >> alexa devices in your jason in my home, it's probably like three and a half. >> there's a. >> lot of these. >> devices out there. they're almost like trojan horses. i'm exaggerating, but i think there's. >> something. >> very interesting and that i think these these have been sort of. underutilized under monetized assets, but. they're out there and absolutely. you know, i those devices and. create more. functionality to them. people would use them

more. and then you really would get people starting to use alexa for really putting together their shopping list, like large numbers of people. and to actually do shopping that that could actually open up a new growth area. so i'm very intrigued by it. they've always had these assets out there. they must have hundreds of millions of alexa devices. >> out there. >> i just think they're they're dramatically under monetized. but that could change. >> look, i don't want to get away from the capex number too soon, and i feel like we need to spend another minute on that. you said 90 to 100 billion mark. if they come out with that, the stock's going to sell off. unless you have just phenomenal growth with aws. i mean, in your mind what is a acceptable i'll use that word. what's an acceptable number in your mind. what really makes sense. >> well look. >> we've. >> got b. >> spend but there's rising return. >> on invested capital across. >> the net hyperscalers. >> and i'm talking. >> about google, meta and amazon. their return on invested capital has risen nicely the last two years despite all this ai investment. and i think there's enough data points that

they're showing you that suggest that, yeah, you should invest more. my favorite data point from amazon, i'd love to get an update this quarter, is that they're saying in their most advanced distribution centers this is physical ai. their robotics deployments are allowing allowing them to reduce their cost to serve by 25%. you roll that out across all of amazon's distribution centers. that's massive operating margin upside from here. so i want to hear that kind of thing. and if they got more of those kind of data points, then they should get a green light to invest more. i don't know what the. >> right. >> capex number is, but look, we're going to do 20, 25%, 30% capex growth. i don't think it needs to be the 75% that meta is doing, but it's going to be a good chunky number like that. >> they got one more for you, mark, before i let you go. why is meta on this tear? i mean, we're talking 14 days in a row. that obviously is a streak and that stock has just been ripping. why? >> well, you get some of the best advertising revenue sector growth. out there. they're showing this nice margin expansion that i think they give you a really good compelling

case for cost discipline. a year of efficiency turned into years of efficiency that shows up in the margin trends. i think zuckerberg does a great job of giving you examples that show you just how they've been able to deploy ai to boost the power of ad campaigns, to make the site more engaging to users. so, you know, people have said, look, we see how it's helped your business model. i mean, who would have said three years ago that that that meta would be doing 20 to 30% revenue growth, but that's what they've done the last year. and then very much that's because of their ai. they get a green light. and the stock is still what 2425 times earnings i think for an asset like this that can get you probably sustainable 25% earnings growth i think that's very reasonable. >> all right jason we got to get through amazon. we got to get through nvidia. but that's a couple of weeks away. your biggest takeaway then thus far from the mega-caps that have reported is what. >> it's absolutely been a mixed bag scott. obviously we've seen

deceleration in all the cloud businesses right? whether it's google and azure. but i always when i think about amazon, which is the biggest tanker of all of them, owning 30% of market share, i think, again, as as mark started with, i think that's going to be the most important piece. they've doubled down on anthropic, so i think they are catching up from an ai infrastructure perspective. but for me, the race continues. deep tech was good news in terms of efficiency and how to figure out how we could cut costs and still be productive. so that's been the biggest takeaway for me thus far. >> all right guys, good stuff. we'll see what happens. look forward to catching up with you again soon. mark and jason we will see you soon. let's bring in adam parker now of marriott research. stephanie guild of robinhood adam, a cnbc contributor. it's great to have you both with us. stephanie. i love ■this first line in your notes. there's more to life than the mag seven. you stole it from me sometimes. well, no, i credited. you sometimes. it just doesn't feel like it, does it? >> no. >> i mean, if you look at. >> the top 50. >> stocks by. >> performance returns year to date. only one of them is in the. >> mag seven. and it's meta where you just talked about.

>> i think the reason why meta has been rallying so much is because, you. >> know, two. >> two words, one phrase, deep seek. >> i think. >> you know, they're a consumer of ai and they're going to be a lot cheaper. i'm excited though. i think there are a lot of names that are doing well. and all of it comes down to the fact that there is another there's more of a. >> focus on what. >> the companies are actually doing, in my opinion, like who the company management is, what. what they're making, what they're doing, and what their valuations are because of the current levels of the of interest rates. >> how are you thinking about these names in the here and now? i've heard from most now we you know amazon tonight. and then i say we got to wait a little bit for nvidia which is, you know arguably the most important one at all. of all because of, you know, as stephanie said, deep tech and the developments that have been around that name. >> my. >> mind is changing a little. i mean. >> i've been a bit of a broken record for three. >> years. >> i hear just saying. >> you got. >> to be at least market. wait, don't let them. >> hurt you. >> you don't really know anything. anyone else doesn't. >> you know, i. >> was just listening to that conversation. >> i looked up.

>> their 79 buys. >> and four. >> holds on. >> amazon, and the four holds aren't from any of the. >> biggest 24. like. it's hard to. >> have a differentiated. >> bullish view. and that's. been why i wanted to at least be. >> you. >> know. market weight and just don't let it hurt me. >> but i'm evolving. >> a little. >> bit. >> more to the negative. >> a. >> little bit. >> and the reason. >> is just and timing. >> it's tough. >> but my view is that the beta of these stocks is really high. >> meaning you saw. >> on that deep sea monday. these stocks. >> sell off. >> a lot and disproportionately. and so, you know you could say it's nothing. it's positioning. or you could. >> say you know what i got incredibly. >> high capex. >> the biggest. >> seven companies are spending. >> more capex. >> than the biggest seven like almost. >> since 25 years. >> i've got. >> valuations that are. >> reasonable to high. >> i've got some. potential disruption. >> for some of them. >> and so the. portfolio impact on a down day looks a little. >> bit riskier. >> so i'm. >> not saying, you know, this is terrible. i'm just saying if you were market. weight you. ended up. >> owning more. >> than. that with. with the. with the. bounce with the beta. >> maybe i take it down a little. >> so that it's a little bit risk managed. >> i can. >> find mid-cap stuff or other stuff to participate. so i'm kind of at the for the first

time in in three years, just thinking i've got to be a little bit more careful just given this kind of capex and given, you know, the potential that. >> ai. >> has to disrupt parts of the business. >> do you feel like, i mean, at some point the risk level goes way up as a result of what these companies are spending? are you and your own mind starting to think more clearly and maybe more skeptically about the return on that money? >> i am, and i. >> think the market is too, right? >> i mean, you made a. >> comment i think was right. >> you know, meta has gotten our capex. you're innocent. >> until until proven guilty. >> and we, you know, google it's. >> your guilty until proven innocent. like the market's already trying to say these numbers are big. and ultimately. that concentration. >> of capex. >> is probably going to end up disappointing at least in pockets. >> so for. >> now we'll see. but i just think the risk. >> is growing. i'm not. >> saying these are like terrible or whatever. >> i just think that. >> if we're if we're saying, hey, we're going. >> to have. >> this.

>> conversation once a. >> year for the next 50 years, maybe there's only five out of the 50 that look a little bit riskier than right. >> now. >> just in terms of the beta, the potential disruption from ai and business models, the valuation. >> the capex. >> number, like that cocktail has me a shade more cautious than any time in the last 2 or 3 years. >> you make of that. >> i think it's right. >> i, i. >> have a target of 6500 on the s&p. it's on the lower end of all the analysts out there. but i wrote in my note to you, actually, i'm thinking about lowering it simply because the mag seven make up about 35% of the s&p. i don't know if they're going to have these huge moves this year, because there is a lot of like digestion and figuring out what the return on invested capital will be for all the money they're spending. so they are large and there is power in that. but i think there's just a lot of opportunity elsewhere, which means it might be hard for the s&p to rally a lot, but there is still a lot of good investments. >> to make. how are you thinking about stephanie? expected policy that's going to be beneficial for the stock market. just that

baseline assumption alone is for in large part, why this bull market is where it is and why it was able to sort of take that next leg after the reelection of president trump, despite tariffs, despite a lot of noise. there is the belief that once you get past all of that, that the trend is still up because you're going to get in one form or another, you're going to get tax cuts and you're going to get deregulation, and you're going to get animal spirits in some form. >> i think there's an underlying good economy, and i think that's actually what forms the basis of this. but the tariffs were a surprise in the short term. i don't think there were. >> they were. >> they. >> a surprise. >> well, because i think the market was thinking like this isn't really going to happen. it's just a negotiation tactic. but then he did put them in place and there is some stuff starting to happen. i think they haven't even come to europe yet and that is probably going to come too. so i guess i believe that there's there is a lot of good investments to make,

besides the big ones that will get pushed around by this market. >> like what? give me what's your best, what's your best idea or one of them? >> a couple of names that i like. one is maple bear, which is ticker cart. they actually just i think they're moving into the s&p midcap now. they have a couple of really good partnerships with uber. they i think they just announced one with ulta. i just think they're growing and doing the right things. they actually do have a lot of business in canada, but i don't know if that actually impacts from a tariff perspective. >> yeah. what about you? >> i think. >> what if people do trim these mag seven? they have to fill that market cap with some something else. i think you're going to fill it with other large caps and some mid caps. i like healthcare a lot. it's definitely contrarian. but there's things like ge healthcare where there's some new products. >> that could. >> have upside to earnings. there's things where productivity. can be enhanced. so if you want to you know zig zig zagging i think you're going to see earnings be better than people think. your policy comment really resonates because what i've concluded is the market's saying tariffs aren't going to really impact earnings

for most of the market, but everything's. >> going to hit healthcare. >> all of rfk's policies are going to healthcare. and i think the truth is in between. and i've got a sector that's really underperformed but has some productivity potential and some earnings achievability that's above average. so i like healthcare. and then we upgraded industrials at the beginning of this year. i feel like we've gotten some data this week that things are maybe bottoming a little bit on activity. we have very easy comps in the second half this year for the earnings growth. so if the equity market anticipates earnings acceleration by three six months, i think you can add to some of these industrial which would maybe have, you know, decent risk reward in the second half of the year. so healthcare and industrials are areas i'm focusing on a little bit more here in q1. >> what do you guys make. of the momentum factor within the market? the mtum etf, for example, hits a new all time high today, which is made up by the way of a lot of widely held large cap stocks. jpm new 52 week high philip morris walmart. we were just talking about that

with mahaney. palantir has been a rip. goldman sachs robin hood by the way with a new 52 week high today in the etf. why is momentum do you think performing so well i. >> think there's. >> a lot of reasons. one is that these are the companies. they're not all the mag seven right. and i think there is. >> far from it. there's it's so dispersed. i mean, insurance retail finance. >> and that's what i think. like there's actually still capital that can rotate into these names. and that's why the momentum has been going. i also think that there's part of the market that just that's how they invest. what's going up will continue to go up. and a lot of these names have had really good earnings and are hitting on some specific needs, like a consumer that needs cheaper products. for example, in walmart, you know, banks are probably not going to get as much regulation as they maybe once were going to expect. and then also, you know, the spread between tens and twos are going to continue to support their businesses. >> what do you think about that from the quant perspective? like

we've studied momentum. yeah. every different way. right. so prior post the volcano generally if you look at like 12 month momentum i don't know what the etf is. if it's 12 months or 12 months or whatever it is. but typically momentum oscillates in like three year cycles. the market's kind of close to an all time high. and so it stands to reason a lot of underlying individual securities would have been well to drive that. so i don't think it's that surprising. i think the issue is, you know, the momentum is a two sided thing, meaning the stocks that are bad continue to be bad too, right? so otherwise they reverse. so the question is really of the stuff that's been bad, could you see fundamental evidence that gets at the bottom. obviously if you're recommending health care you got to think there's going to be some momentum reversal on the on the negative side. and i think some of it is what you said, you know, since our work shows that the day harris's probability on the market peaked, you saw a huge change in the market microstructure. you started seeing arc low quality junk proxy rip. right. and so i think ultimately what we're left with now is we need to see some of the policies help revenue. and if we don't then you'll get the momentum reversal. i'm thinking that's kind of how i think.

>> there's something i was going to say. there is something else we saw after dopesick. we saw a lot of buying on the dip, but after the tariffs, we actually saw a change in the way our customers were investing. and you did. you actually saw almost an equal amount of buys and sells. it wasn't just buying on the dip. and i actually think that's like a signal as well is that there's capital rotation happening underneath. >> the big the big deep sick day for me was you could sit there and say i'm going to electrification, industrials fan, i want electricity, i own eaton, i think power's going to be huge. i like vst, i like semis, i like nvidia. and you woke up on monday and they were all down 15% or more. and so the correlation of those growth themes is enormous. i think it was a wake up call for some people like, you know what i need to like look at housing or health care or something. i need some i need some ballast here because that was a lot. it was. >> a panicky, panicky sell down. >> but that's momentum reversal. you know, that's like a momentum reversal. that's why i said it. you know, it's like a big deal. >> but when you look at momentum, as i said you some would say, well, is it a sign of something getting a little toppy or is it a underpinning of more

strength ahead? if those types of names from that wide a swath of sectors within the market are continuing to do as well as they are, maybe that's more good than bad. >> i think it's more good than bad. i think we have an underlying, as i said, good economy. and i think we're in an environment where we're finally getting the breadth that we have been wanting and talking about for a long time. and now that it's here, i don't want to forebode the joy of it. i think there is a. >> lot of the parade. >> there's a lot of good stocks out there that i think will, you know, have i mentioned like gap? there's a lot of turnaround stories. you've got starbucks that has a new ceo. gap has a new ceo. like i just think there's a lot of things that are, you know, could be interesting for the future. >> the, the, the nerd side of me would say, what we're here trying to do is something called factor timing. we're trying to say, do we want to time that momentum is going to be an effective metric for the next three months, and do we want to do that based on the historical efficacy of it? that's hard to do, but i kind of i think your explanation makes sense. like if

we believe that less regulation is, you know, fueled higher growth, then the momentum that we've established will continue. if you think that, you know, there's some things that are up, maybe like investment banking, jp morgan told me, it's like maybe that would get corroborated stuff, but maybe other stuff we don't get. so i think it's an interesting alpha long short opportunity here because some stuff is just not going to, you know, show you what what you need to believe in the next couple of quarters. >> i enjoyed the conversation very much, guys. thanks so. >> much, stephanie. >> good to have you here, adam. you as well. >> all right. >> all right. let's send it to christina. now for a look at the biggest names moving into the close. what do you say? >> well, peloton, those shares are riding high, about 10% higher as the exercise. equipment maker rallied on better than expected revenue for the quarter. >> while the firm. >> tells investors it has, quote, a steep hill to climb to achieve profitability. cost cutting efforts are really helping this company right now, and you can see shares up almost 10.5%. roblox earnings. though failing to impress the pandemic darling, dropping from its yearly highs as daily active

users fell for the quarter and bookings, which is really a key metric for gaming spend right now that missed estimates. the firm also projecting lagging revenue growth following a similar outlook from video game giant ea, warned on slowing sales shares down 12.5%. scott. >> all right, christina partsinevelos, thank you very much. we're just getting started here on closing bell. up next aldridge anchor crawford is back with how she is playing the tech space right now. and she's going to give one under the radar name that she is betting on right now as well right after this break. from right here at post nine from right here at the new york from right here at the new york stock exchange. -what've you got there, larry? -time machine. you gonna go back and see how the pyramids were built or something? nope. ellen and i want to go on vacation, so i'm going to go back to last week and buy a winning lottery ticket. -can i come? -only room for one. how am i getting home? sittin' on my lap like last time, ronald.

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jeopardy. let's ask someone who owns many of the names in question. crawford alger, executive vp and portfolio manager. welcome back. how would you answer that question? have the goalposts moved? i use that a lot. but in this case, i wonder whether they really have for these names. are you shaking your head? no. >> no. >> no, they haven't moved. and in part. because this ai trade is first of all, i we're in the very, very early. >> innings of the. >> implementation and realization of ai. i will remind you that i actually only burst onto the scenes of the market two years ago. and you know, the pathway over the next five years is going to be very fast. >> and. >> very aggressive. >> so we. >> are it doesn't it doesn't surprise me that we're going to get growth scares. because things are moving so fast. innovation is moving so fast that it it may confuse investors. i mean, i've been saying that like when software writes software. innovation becomes exponential. and that's

what we're starting to see. >> did you coin that? >> not yet, but maybe i will. >> quick trade market. >> so when. >> you get. >> exponential growth and exponential. >> innovation i think. >> it sometimes. >> does surprise the. market and. people in general, because what comes out of it is surprising. >> but i mean, are you reassessing one of your favorite stocks in nvidia at all? i mean, what if what if we can call call. you know what. on on deep sea the cost right of what they allegedly did, what they are purported to have have done. it's almost irrelevant. what if that's just a moment that suggests it's going to become demonstrably cheaper, demonstrably cheaper to build these models, and that's going to have a transformative impact on the kinds of companies that have benefited to this point. they're just not going to make

as much money as they once thought they could. >> right? so i think there's a couple of things that even even openai, if they were to make their zero three model, i don't know how much their oh three model cost or their zero one model. it wasn't. >> it's not. >> two orders of magnitude more expensive to make than the deep sea model. it may have been, you know, a few multiples higher, not orders of magnitude higher. that's the first thing. secondly, what the total cost of the training of deep sea. and, you know, the all of that infrastructure and also the fact that they were kind of trained on other models, other. >> llms open source. >> right? so because it was open sourced means that you still need that base infrastructure. now, i would remind you that capex numbers actually didn't come down at all. google meta or maybe not meta, but google open ai anthropic. they knew of all of these techniques and are

using those techniques themselves. >> yeah, but but if the numbers if the if the spend continues to go up and we are from what we've already learned from some of these companies that have reported, and maybe we're reminded of it again tonight, that revenue growth for a lot of these businesses is slowing now. it's still unbelievably rich, but it's still slowing a bit. so if revenue growth is slowing but the spend is increasing where's the mismatch. >> yeah. >> so early days in the cloud transition i think back to you know 2013 was that i would argue that all of these guys microsoft amazon were spending a lot in the cloud. however they didn't really have revenue to show for it. ten years later. it was a very good investment to spend in the cloud. and so you almost have to spend forward to make the base level models, the large language models that, that, that basically will have all of this ai infrastructure or ai apps on top. you need to actually build

that scaffold and to build that scaffold, you do need billions of dollars of compute. one more thing is like one thing that has become very clear after deep seek is that you look at the consumption of deep seek, for example, as people are starting to go and use deep sea, it's incredible. you got you got a massive peak in the number of downloads for deep sea. how many people were using deep seek at your own peril. but you know, so it tells you that as things become more accessible, it will be used to in a more aggressive fashion. >> i mean, the other thing, we're sort of reassessing our, you know, data center businesses, power around those. you came with a stock pick for us. that is a data data center. play what you call under the radar nebulous. >> is that it? >> yes, yes. >> tell me more. >> and it's a really interesting under the radar. i call it under the radar because it actually has almost no coverage on the

street. it was it used to be a former. it was the management of the former yandex, which was the google of russia. you know, they've basically corralled them. they've they've started a new company called nebulous. and nebulous is an ai data center play. in november of last year, the nasdaq called them and said, we're going to we're basically listing you in three days. so they actually never got the chance to do an ipo roadshow and are now kind of meeting with investors. what i love about this is that it's effectively a public core. we've there is no other way to play kind of an enterprise type data center. they have a global footprint expanding rapidly in the us with some of the best engineers in the world. >> top of your head. you know what? the market cap is about 18 billion on spot 8 billion. all right. well good stuff. good to catch up with you as always. anchor. thank you. anchor

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capital for the league. it will create flexibility for owners who have a need from a liquidity standpoint, or have a need from a capital investment standpoint, like a stadium. >> would you ever consider selling 10%? >> i won't say never. it's not something our family is focused on on right now. but i do think just having more options from a liquidity standpoint is beneficial to everybody, including the kansas city chiefs. >> so reading between the lines, another thing we talked about was the kansas city chiefs stadium situation. the chiefs play in arrowhead stadium. it's one of the oldest nfl stadiums. it's of course beloved by chiefs fans, but they're going to need a renovation at some point and or perhaps even build a new stadium that i think might be. the time when the chiefs would look to sell a stake to private equity, because it will be a liquidity event that the organization may need. yeah.

>> theoretically too. i mean, if any franchise was going to be able to get buy in, so to speak, from the public for at least a public private partnership in a stadium, that would be one of the markets i would look to first. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, look, there's two avenues they can go. they can either refurbish arrowhead, which i think would cost about $800 million, or they can build the new stadium, which to your point, usually costs billions and billions of dollars. but the chiefs, perhaps interestingly, you may not expect this. we're only ranked 18th in cnbc's valuation list that came out in september. so all this winning from the chiefs, there's still only the 18th most valuable nfl franchise. and that, of course, has a lot to do with the stadium with an old stadium. so there's this push pull of like fans are not going to want to let go of arrowhead because it's such a home field advantage for the chiefs. it's one of the loudest, if not the loudest stadium in the nfl. so fans love it. but

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>> again. >> just the almost even. >> split between. >> things that are up, things. >> that are down. >> being able. >> to. >> absorb some some pretty. >> big earnings. >> adverse earnings reactions. banks up more than 1%. so on. >> every day it seems. >> like the market finds. >> a way. >> it's on the one hand. >> susceptible to headlines. but on days when. it's not getting any. >> real market relevant. >> headlines, it's able to just kind of. >> churn in here. i still keep pointing out that very, very heavy kind of small investor flow in the same group of stocks. >> or at least a. >> few of the big ones per day. very hard to handicap how that goes. sometimes that's erratic volume, sometimes that's supportive. so i thi w sit here the jobs number tomorrow. i still think we want good news. >> we're not looking for dove. >> bait here. i don't think in the payrolls. >> look, you you know the market's so very well. i'd love your opinion on what you think about the momentum factor and why it is performing as well as it is. if it's anything more than what some would say is the obvious. we're in a bull market. >> that's a lot.

>> of it. >> is a bull market that is really. >> willing to press its bets. and you have. >> a. >> bunch of sectors that are being treated. as winner. >> take most. and so i feel. >> as. if the quality. >> factor, which. >> has really been in vogue for. >> a couple of years. >> has just fed. into the momentum. >> factor. >> because it seems as if you haven't. been kind of punished for that orientation much. now, when it breaks, it breaks. >> pretty hard. >> on a short term basis. we've had a couple. >> of those in the last few months. >> these crescendos of momentum, and then they back off and it has. >> to. >> sort of rebuild. >> some stocks. >> are left behind. >> in that. >> but yeah. >> it's remarkable when you. see things like walmart. >> and costco. >> performing every single day. and a lot of it has. >> to. >> do with that. >> nexus of quality. >> and momentum. >> not really a play on the consumer. >> yeah, yeah. good. speaking of the consumer, i mean amazon obviously plays a big role with the consumer. kate rooney but there's so much more that investors want to see tonight. tell us what's most important. >> yeah scott there's so much going on with amazon. but the number one metric i would say investors are watching is aws.

that's the cloud growth, especially considering google and microsoft disappointed there earlier in the week. 19% is consensus. that's the number to beat which is flat sequentially. but then you got to watch capex as well. this is going to be key. amazon is expected to up spending by around 15% in amazon. if you think about its track record of big spending, it's really been able to show that that has paid off. it's led to better operating margins in the past. and then there is their participation in this mega cap spending spree that we've seen. that is going to be key to the ai trade. if we hear any sort of soft commentary on spending that could suggest amazon knows something that the rest of that group doesn't, so it could have a much bigger market impact. and then you got north american margins. that is really the e-commerce side of the business. investors want to see expansion there. we will be listening. speaking of e-commerce for some commentary around tariffs. and then the last couple things to note, i would watch advertising that kuiper satellite business and grocery. fun fact here amazon is expected to top walmart in terms of revenue for the first time. scott. >> i like how you put that.

you're kind of darned if you do. darned if you don't. you spend too much. you're like, why are you spending so much? you spend too little. like, what do you see that we don't know? we will see. kate rooney, thank you very much for that. contessa brewer on expedia. >> yeah. travel certainly in focus for the weekend of super bowl here scott. we've heard from royal caribbean and hilton earnings about the growth in demand here for travel. and we're watching to see how expedia is capturing that interest. the focus here is not just on the business that's doing directly with with consumers, but also the technical services that it provides business clients. here, it's a focus for ceo ariane gorin. for and she comes from that b to b division. the street is looking here for a little more than $3 billion in revenue, with adjusted earnings per share of $2.04, so we'll keep an eye on that. but shares really have taken off over the last six months or so up, as you can see, more than 46%. scott. >> contessa, thank you very much

for that. we'll see those numbers when we hit the tape. speaking of stocks that have taken off meta. yeah, up another 1% today. this is going to be 14 straight days that this stock is up obviously a record. >> yeah it's remarkable in the sense that it's just kind of fed on itself. >> so there were. >> a few things going on obviously. >> really great leverage. >> to all. >> the trends people want. >> to be. >> playing in terms. >> of. >> ai, consumer internet. they sort of have it figured out. >> they're being given. >> the. benefit of the doubt for the capex. >> they do. >> and then. >> you know. >> you can't ignore the fact. >> that it. >> did accelerate when zuckerberg started to become close to the incoming administration. but deep seek. also has been an afterburner on this. >> stock. >> 100% the idea. okay, open source, cheaper ai going to the edge of where consumers interact with it. that sounds like. >> meta to me. >> so i think all those things along with, as we were saying, just the momentum, you know, that's going to kind of work until it stops working. so bar is pretty high, i think, you know, down the road. but we've

just got their numbers and, you know, everyone's. >> pretty happy. yeah i. >> mean the deep. >> seat. >> sell off day everything down not meta. meta was like the only one that was up. and it has just continued to power on. >> it'll keep. >> the. >> nasdaq green. that's the one thing otherwise mixed. but we have big earnings looming. as the bell rings. >> i'll send it. >> into overtime. >> now with morgan bell. >> that's the end. >> of regulation. >> the hartford. >> ringing the. >> closing. bell at the new. >> york. >> stock exchange. >> plum acquisition doing the honors. >> over at the nasdaq. >> it was a seesaw. >> day for. >> stocks as wall street gets. set for. amazon's earnings. >> in just. >> a. >> few minutes, as well as tomorrow's. january jobs report. >> mixed picture with the dow lower. >> that's the scorecard. on wall street. but the. >> action is just getting started. >> welcome to closing. >> bell overtime i'm morgan brennan. >> john ford. >> is off today. >> well i just mentioned the dow snapping. >> a two day win streak. while the s&p 500. >> and the. >> nasdaq were. >> higher for the third. >> straight day. >> and now. >> investors are turning. >> their. >> attention to earnings. >> from amazon.