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that will do it for me from los angeles. time now or the hand it over to t.j. holmes in atlanta and in for brooke baldwin. hi, t.j. >> yes, thank you, randi kaye. >> yes, thank you, randi kaye. i am in for brooke baldwin. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com we are learning that intelligence taken from the osama bin laden compound that he was in indeed in the loop and in touch with al qaeda. there is also evidence that bin laden knew about potential terror attacks. we will have much more on this in a moment. but first, maria shriver has now reacted to the news of her husband having fathered a child outside of their marriage.
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her husband, of course, we are talking about is arnold schwarzenegger, the newly former governor of the state of california. here is now maria shriver's brief statement, and she says quote. this is a painful and heartbreaking time. as a mother, my concern is for the children. i ask for compassion, respect and privacy as my children and i try to rebuild our lives and heal. i will have no further comment. end quote. very short statement making it clear there that she would like some time away, and would not like to be bothered and not expected to hear much more from her any time soon. and no denying that you can sense the grief in those short words from maria shriverer, and let me bring in casey wian who has been on this story since it broke overnight. a lot of people thought, casey, or just wondered what was going on when they first heard of the separation in the first place. a lot of people shocked by that, and then you throw this shock on top of that one. >> yeah, absolutely. you know, covering arnold
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schwarzenegger during his tenure as governor in california you had the feeling sometimes that he was acting, and it turns out, he was. what we know now is that the mother of this baby is a 20-year employee of the schwarzeneggers who left her job in january. we do not know if the child is a boy or a girl, but we do know that the child was born over a decade ago before he was elected governor of california in 2003. today, he released his own statement prior to his wife's, and he said, i understand and deserve the feelings of anger and disappointment among my friends and family. there are no excuses, and i take full responsibility for the hurt i have caused. i have apologized to maria, my children, and my family. i am truly sorry. you know, he was a very controversial governor in california, t.j., and it is hard to believe he could pass that controversy that engulfed the administration, but he has this time. t.j. >> all right. i want to ask you about something else, and i want you
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to listen to this. we had harvey levin from tmz on a while ago and i want you to hear what he had to say and ask you about this on the other side. >> maria has been miserable in the marriage for several years and made it very clear to people who knew her, and part of the reason was the womanizing, so it is not this one incident that set maria off by any means and also arnold's ego, and she felt ignored by him. >> all right. we are hearing that there, and i guess it does not matter, but it is almost like people are trying to qualify, was this a political scandal if you will or is this a hollywood scandal? i guess it is hard to separate, but this is apparently all was taking place before he got to the governor's mansion, correct? >> absolutely. back in 2003, you will probably remember right before the recall election that put schwarzenegger in office, a dozen women came
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forward talking about how he groped women on movie set, and he admitted to behaving badly, but shriver stood by him publicly basically saying that i have known this man for 25 years and he is a good man and don't believe the salacious reports, and there was a lot of speculation and sort of a dirty trick by democrats trying to undermine schwarzenegger at the time. and of course, apart from the marriage to schwarzenegger, it is a difficult period of late for maria shriver, as she lost both of her parents in the last year and imagine that on top of this. >> and casey, how in the world, because it is so hard for a politician to keep anything quiet and much less the fact that there is ostensibly a 10-year-old child running around out there that nobody in the world had anything about, and how in the world did he keep that quiet? >> well, apparently, governor schwarzenegger and former governor shartchwarzenegger wasy
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good of keeping the parts of his life separate, and hollywood life and governorship and personal life. we know there is an admission of a source close to schwarzenegger that he is providing financial support for this child since it was born, but how a visible person like this managed to keep it secret for so long is a great mystery. >> and we know you have been working long hours since this broke. thank you, casey wian. and we want to turn to the other scandalle that we have been looking at for the last few days. this hour, the maid who claims that the head of the imfs a sauled her and tried to rape her inside of a $3,000 a night hotel in new york. from the first time, we are hearing from the lawyer who represents this woman. our deborah feyerick talked to that attorney, and what are we getting, deb? >> well, t.j., we can tell you that the woman is a west african
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immigrant from new guinea, and the trauma she experienced inside of the hotel room is extraordinary. she is there legally having working papers. she was assigned to clean the room saturday when she walked in on dominic strauss-kahn whole a ledgedly attacked her. listen to what the lawyer had to say. >> her world has been turned upside down. this is a person who is a hard-working woman. she is a single mother supporting a 15-year-old young woman. they live together, and she was grateful to have a job for which she could provide food and shelter for her, for the two of them. since this has occurred, she has not been able to go home, and she can't go back to work, and she has no idea what the future is going to be in any respect. so, this is aside from what took place in the hotel room, the trauma that has taken place in her life has been extraordinary. >> now, information and evidence
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and forensics is going to be going to a grand jury this week, and new york city has three sitting grand juries and they will hear that, and we are told by the lawyer that the woman has not testified yet, and not been presented. we are told that she is afraid to go home, and she is not sure she will be able to go back to her job, and how she will support her daughter. for dominic strauss-kahn, his lawyer tells a different story saying that the forensic evidence will not support any sort of forceable encounter and he says that mr. strauss-kahn is going to plead not guilty, but he is in a jail cell in rikers island, and in solitary, and this is a man who should be in europe in the head of the financial crisis vis-a-vis, he is now left alone and isolated from the general prison population, because they are concerned about his safety. they are keeping him in a unit that is to himself and again trying to sort out and think about what happened. t.j. >> okay. thank you, deborah feyerick.
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we appreciate you as always, and as she was just talking about there, this man was sitting in a $3,000 a night hotel room not too long ago. and you know where he is sitting right now? one of the most notorious prisons in the country. coming up next, an inside look at rikers island. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible.
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all right. this is the life he was used to four and five-star life he was used to, top floor hotel rooms going for $3,000 a night, and apartment in paris and american-born wife who is a tv star in france, but over the weekend dominic strauss-kahn traded in the cuff links for handcuffs.
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today the head of the international monetary fund is another number. he is transferred to a jail cell inside of one of the most notorious jails in the country. new york's rikers island and you hear that name and see it on tv drama all of the time only the crime movies, but martin horn can give us an inside look and he is a former commissioner with the new york city department of corrections correction. let me start with that, when people say rikers island, they say the notorious, and does it deserve that? is it at this point famous? >> i think it is just famous, and i don't believe it deserves to be called notorious, and in fact, it is one of the safest jail systems in the country. certainly, the safest large city jail system when compared to the other large cities in the united states. >> i guess that a part of it as well and i'm glad that you gave some perspective and understand it better than anybody watching here for the most part given the time that you spent, there and not in the jail, but as commissioner, and i should make
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sure i make that clear, that the jail is not supposed to be like a four seasons, but this jail, rikers in particular, is it exceptionally unpleasure for any reason? >> it is not exceptionally unpleasant except to the extent that any jail is unpleasant. it is clean, and the inmates are healthy, and by and large with some exceptions, the inmates are kept quite safe, but being in jail is a very spartan and really really boring existence. that is's wh that's what gives it the forebode, because of the stark picture, and your picture there portrays exactly what the cell blocks look like there. >> who goes there? >> the vast majority of the individuals in custody there are facing charges before of the courts of new york city. it is not a jail, but a holding facility for individuals waiting trial. there are people there serving
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short sentences for minor crimes and misdemeanors and sentences of less than one year, and of the 12,000 inmates in the custody, fewer than 2,000 are sentenced and the majority of the 10,000 are people who are awaiting trial. >> now, why would he, and i'm talking about kahn, why would he be taken there, and it is because there is nothing exceptional about hill or the crime, but it is like he is being treated like any other criminal right now? >> well, certainly, he should be treated like any other criminal, and that is the tan dastandard the new york city correctional department has adhered to. the reason he is there is because that is where everyone who is facing criminal charges go. there are a small number of cells in the facility in the bronx and a facility known as the tombs in manhattan, but that has about 900, capacity for 900 inmates, so a vast majority of all of the inmates in new york
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are at rikers island and the services are there given his age and the notoriety and the kinds of care that he may well require is more likely available on rikers island than anywhere else. >> and give us an idea of what his day would be like given that we are told there are concerns about him and he is a high profile person alt this point t and he is kept in isolation not necessarily with the rest of the population, and can you describe what he would go through in his day given that he is separated a little bit? >> well, he is in a single cell by himself. he's in a small housing unit, and there are probably no more than seven or eight cells on that housing unit. his day begins probably around 6:00 a.m. when he is served breakfast which he will take in the cell. and then much will depend upon the status of the case, and he may then go out to court.
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he may have meetings in the buildingsi building with his attorneys or maybe he will sit in his cell all day until launch time, and then the afternoon is a repeat of the morning, and light's out would be at 10:00 or 11:00 at night. he is allowed three visits a week. he can have additional visits with his attorneys. and he is allowed to make outgoing phone calls provided that he has money in the account to payer for it or if people will accept collect charges. he gets an hour a day of outside recreation if he chooses to avail himself of it. there is a shouer in t er insho so he can shower when he wants to, and he can have reading materials, newspapers, magazines and stationary and copy of the legal papers and some personal effects, personal clothing. the amount of material that he is allowed to possess is limited by the size of the storage lockers that are provided to
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him. >> and sir, and last thing here, and again, people here at rikers island and like i said, people always say notorious first, but you think that the reputation comes from people hearing it on television, and whether they hear it in a rap song or whatever it may be, but it sounds like, you say a lot of people there on misdemeanors and short sentences and the roughest of the rough criminals in new york. are they here or for the most part not? >> no, everyone who is accused and charged with the serious crime, murder, rape, and the most serious crimes will be held on rikers island while they are awaiting charges. the notoriety does derive much more from the attention that the press, and the media has given to it. jails are always going to be unpleasant places. certainly bad things have happened. but i think that they happen far less frequently than the public imagination believes to be true. >> all right. martin horn, we appreciate your
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perspective, and unique perspective that you have today and like you said, it is jail, and it is not supposed to be pleasant. sir, we appreciate your time and you enjoy the rest of the day. >> you are quite welcome. >> well, it has not been a week since newt gingrich has an noused he is running for president, but analysts are saying that his campaign is in big trouble. find out why members of his own party blasting him now, and wait until you hear which high profile republican called cnn to just unload on gang rich. more than you think.
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all right. republican newt gingrich has been in the race less than a week. talking about the race for president here. look at what he woke up to today. this quote from house majority leader eric cantor saying, many have said he is now finished. and again, that is the house majority leader eric cantor talking about newt gingrich. and this one in two words by charles krauthammer, "it's done." that simple. and joining us is jessica yellin. and you know in track and field, it is so important to get off to a good start, and what is happening here? >> well, it is important to get off to a good start, but i would say that the critics are ahead of the plot here.
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he did tick off the base by p criticizing the propostal that paul ryan made. and gingrich went on air over the weekend and dismissed ryan's plan as too radical, and the base is outraged. even though they don't love the plans in the ryan plan, it is almost bad form to criticize paul ryan within the party, and the republicans want everybody to rally around the effort to control spending, so it was an awkward start for him for sure. >> and he did not stop there. he's also been attacked quite frankly on health insurance, something he said there as well. what did he say? >> yeah. another awkward one. he basically said that the general idea of a mandate for people to buy health care is needed. now, that is considered almost sacrilege in conservative
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circles, because recall that the health care plan passed last year is a mandate and republicans are critical of it. gingrich said he would repeal the new national health care law and he reaffirmed that today and he said if he were elected president, he would repeal it right away, but the fact that he has said he would support and mpdate, has outraged the conservatives. so i want to play a sound bite that he is defending himself, but remember, when he made the statement, he is reacting to a sound bite that was played on "meet the press" and that sound bite is gingrich speaking years ago in which he also supported a mandate. here is newt gingrich. >> this is one of the things that only after it happens that you begin about doing it. i think if i could do "meet a press" over, and ran an 18 second clip, i would say, where is the rest of the clip, and not allow an interview set up of 18-second clip taken out of
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context. for people to say, yeah from the body of evidence and from that seconds of sound bite, that is beyond gotcha. >> familiar phrase from republican politicians, and including sarah palin who said, quit playing gotcha politics. >> and he has time to recover here, but the folks you need voting for you and the supporters you need are the ones attacking him. jessica, we will check in with you again as always, and good to see you. >> you, too. >> and still, as investigators go through all of the material found in osama bin laden's compound, and what were potential terror attacks and who he was communicating with. that is next. plus this -- >> do you want to sing with jonathan. ♪ marry me today and everyday
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unfolding right now, turns out that osama bin laden did communicate with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, or the aqap, and wie are finding that out frm
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the materials that was take eb by the navy s.e.a.l.s. what we don't know yet is whether this yemen-based terror group ever got the message or acted on them, and something else that the s.e.a.l.s found as well is evidence that bin laden was pushing the supporters to attack americans and u.s. interests in europe late last year. well, a lot of of you out there visit us daily at the cnn center here in atlanta, and done everyday, a soldier gets help from a grammy-winning band. i have not seen it yet, but this happened down in the cnn atrium just down from where i am sitting right here, and i am told that this will shed a tear no matter what. we will watch this one together. ♪ i promise to sing to you
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chinese food yesterday, and is that what was happening? that is a cool moment down there, and this is right downstairs of the cnn center here in atlanta, georgia, and we want to say thank you no the burt show who gave us the head's up, and arranged that shoot so we could be there for that. that was cool stuff. no matter what you are doing out there or what your job is right now or if you are looking for a job, your pay is pretty important to you, and in our special focus "in depth, america's job hunt" we are looking at what industries pay and what goes into the check. alison kosik, you have my full attention. she joins us from the new york stock exchange. how do people, and you know it is a curious, because we don't think that much about, but how do people determine what you are worth and how much you should be paid and how much this profession is paid versus that one? >> well, s shgit is not a rando figure, t.j. there are factors that go ininto it, and we talked to analysts at pay scale.com, and your
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education and experience and skills and location, so if you live in the area where is the cost of living is high in california and new york, you have to consider that. what we did was we pulled out some industries to look at more closely, and the legal sector and when most people hear that, they think of the six figures because of the higher education that you need, and of course, many lawyers do make those six figures bush the pay runs the gamut. there is the entry level law clerk who makes about $30,000, and a paralegal making about $53,000, and no, you don't have to go to law school for those careers. you need a bachelor's degree, t.j. >> and what about the careers that don't require as much education? >> and yeah, you don't need an advanced degree to make a decent living and look at the retail sector, and those are the buyers who make in the $50,000 range and another area that you don't need as much education, hotels and restaurants.
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you could be a waiter or line cook to make about $20,000, but you can work up to executive chef or hotel manager, and the median pay jumps up to $50,000 and you could get upwards to $60,000 so that the theme is edge case and time, but if you start out with a higher education, you will have a higher salary that you can carry through, throughout your career. t.j. >> well, we hear that from a lot of people all of the time, and that is important, but a lot of of people stom working in a particular field, and go back to school to get back in, and then try to get that pay up, so what is the better way to go? stick in that field, and get the most experience and eventually your pay will go upper ois eor to school? >> well, the more education, the more you will be paid, but in this economy, not everybody has the moneyer to time to go back to school, so if you are in that situation, sure, look at the
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skills, and if they are transferable to another high-paying job, go for it. high-tech jobs are that way, from a programmer to working in the i.t. department or do something different. tv people switch to p.r. and public relations all of the time, and of course, if that does not work, switching jobs, then work the system at your current job. take on more responsibilities and learn something new, and show that you are valuable and more than one way. walk up to your boss and say, what can i do for you? you know. just do that and see what their response is. >> yeah, i will try that this week, allison, and get back to you. >> okay. i will be waiting. >> alison kosik at the new york stock exchange. thank you. we rat the bottare at the b hour, and more misery with the mississippi. coming up next, a man who knows a thing or two about a disaster or two. general honore who just took a chopper tour, and he will be with me next live.
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all right. we have been calling this a slow-moving disaster along the mississippi river. levees protecting millions of people from floodwaters holding up pretty well for the most part right now, but louisiana's governor is warning folks that they need to stay on the alert. the planned flooding is expected to save new orleans and baton rouge, but other communities could get swamped, and they will actually. let me bring in the retired
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general and cnn contributor rustle honohonore, and what did see? >> what i saw was spectacular, the water running by the mississippi river. and the decision by the army corps to open up the bonnet carre is important to get control of the mississippi. this is a $300 million a year impact on the united states, because the river is still open to commercial traffic, and because of the bonnet carre being open and the morganza, they have slowed the water down enough to allow the mississippi river to remain open. that being said, then we flew over to louisiana. over. >> and actually, you are giving me an idea and help the viewers understand this as well, exactly where were you on this tour? we are trying to give people a good perspective that water has been diverted and trying to keep it away, and does it look like
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from what you saw it will be able to save baton rouge and new orleans? >> that is correct. the river is cresting as we speak. our current projections from the corps of engineers, those two cities levees will not be challenged by high water, but what will continue to be a threat is the continuous precious on the levees, and you could have a danger of boiling point that might happen on a sand boil that could cause a problem, but right now the corps and the national guard has a lot of reconnaissance looking for those spots and repairing them quickly. there is still some danger down there in the morgan city area, and the water will crest two feet lower than projected from 11 to 9 feet, and that is good news. up around cotton springs, still an issue, because there's much infrastructure around the springs that is built outside of the levee protection.
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again i say built outside of the levee protection, and that area is still vulnerable. >> general honore, these pictures are amazing as we are talking to, and i know we will be talking to you more throughout the day on cnn. thank you is much, general, a. after stirring the political pot, donald trump is not running for the presidency. and some are calling trump's stunt the house of horrors, and he is joining me after the break. i remember the days before copd.
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all right. again, that was a brief flirtation by mr. donald trump, and lot of people didn't take him seriously in the first place, and sure enough as you know, he has said he is not going to run for president. so, we are going to be talking about this in a moment with dana milbank from the washington post who wrote an interesting article calling it the "little shop of horrors" and tell us where the political system is in our country. and right now, free money advice for you from the cnn help desk. >> time for the help desk where we get answers to your financial questions. joining me is is manisha
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taquore, and doug as always. and what are the pros and cons of this? >> well, you could access the cash of the home and not sell it to do that. so, whether that is through a credit line or through a monthly income, that is a good thing. but the cons are that they are expensive and you can disinherit the children from getting the home. so quickly for instance, if you take $100,000 on a $200,000 for a reverse mortgage monthly or by access, instantly, you mayo 1$10 because of the fees and one day that $120 will cross the $200,000 value of the home, and once that happens, you can stay in it, but there is nothing left for the kids. so it is a way that you may end up selling the house for $100 and not know it. it has a need, but you have to be careful. >> and do your research. we have a question from erin in north wales, pennsylvania. i have $5,300 on a credit card
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with a 30% interest rate, ouch, and $3,000 on another credit card around 18% and i have a credit score of 720, but i can't get approved for a loan at a bank because my personal utilization is considered too risky. so do i have any alternatives to pay this off at a lower interest rate? >> well, she is backed into a corner? >> well, i love that erin wants the money to pay down the debt, because those interest rates are incredibly high and even at 18% which sounds low at 30%. but she is paying double, and $20 after beer and pizza, that will cost $40. so he is clearly being responsible with the 720 credit score, so ironically, what he may want is to ask for an increase of the credit limit to reduce the credit utilization to procure a lower interest rate loan and pay off the higher
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interest rate debt, but this is all predicated on the fact that there is a commitment to et g out of debt. >> yes, sounds like that he is going to make that commitment. now, do you have a question you want us to answer? send an e-mail any time to the help desk at cnn.com. ♪ you love money ♪ well, you know i love it too ♪ ♪ you love money ♪ well, you know i love it too ♪ ♪ i work so hard at my job ♪ and then i bring it home to you ♪
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international prosecutor says that truth loyal to moammar gadhafi has troops that are systematically raping women. and he wants gadhafi arrested for crimes against humanity. he said that they went so far as to issue troops sexual enhancement drugs like viagara to gang rape women stopped at checkpoints. also in libya, overnight in
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tripoli, two facilities are burned. one of them was the tripoli police force. one was bombed from the air and they heard the jets flying overhead before. and nima ebagir is joining me from tripoli. >> reporter: well, still in the hours of daylight, we heard really, really close explosions next to where we are at the hotel, and we discovered that the compound, the gadhafi compound had been hit five times. this is the second time in less than a week that compound had taken a direct strike to nato, and in the early hours of this morning, we heard three more explosions, and nnd we were tao
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the scene of those explosions, those strikes, and we were told that one is a police security building, internal police building that dealt with investigati investigations, and one that dealt with external strikes. and so there was one building that was ablaze and then a specific part of the building hit, and nato not specifying which one of the strikes related to, but they said that the third one of the high-ranking libyan officials to be spoken about by the icc, that they had hit one of his command and control centers, t.j. >> and can you tell us, we are talking about tripoli there, and the all important capital city of misrata getting so much attention there. what is happening there? >> well, nato also said they managed to fend off an attack by a gadhafi boat heading towards
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misrata. there is this constant power struggle to control the two access points to misrata, the airport and the port. as you can appreciate, that was hugely undermining gadhafi's forces to maintain the pressure on misrata, if forces ability and they have been preparing consistent attacks on that and seven rebels, working to confirm that and it does feel that as nato is ratcheting up the pressure here in tripoli, the government is trying to transfer that pressure on to the rebels, t.j. >> we appreciate you as always. thanks so much. there is word that the u.s. is trying to speed up talks with the taliban. could that mean that u.s. troops could be leaving afghanistan sooner? that answer is straight ahead.
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well, officials have accused the u.s. of a fire fight. a nato jet and two helicopters responded to ground fire after they reportedly crossed into pakistan from a base in afghanistan. two troops were hurt and a nato spokesperson said that they are aware of an incident on the border that nato aircraft were fired upon and they are now looking into it.
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turning to kennedy space center, one of nasa's crew shuttles are in space and another is on a slow roll now. check it out. this is the shuttle "atlantis" on track to make the final flight in july to the international space station. "atlantis" has launched some 2 3 2 times, the first time in 1985. a bomb threat as queen elizabeth makes an historic visit to ireland. somebody put a bomb on a bus headed for dublin. this is the queen and her husband that you are seeing there meeting with ireland's president. she is the first british monarch to visit an independent ireland. she will be there for four days. let's turn to wolf blitzer.
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>> t.j., thank you very much. a lot is happening at cnnpolitics.com. a lot of focus and attention on john kerry held hearings today on u.s.-pakistani relationships, what is going on in afghanistan. just came back literally overnight from a visit from islamabad. a diplomatic trouble shooter and is raising lots of speculation if the president is re-elected and if these are two big ifs, if secretary of state hillary clinton doesn't want to serve in a second state. my own assessment is that he would probably would. the suz using him a lot in the u.s. and afghanistan and he has a much higher profile. speaking about the middle east, the president was in the oval office meeting with jordan's king abdullaha.
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the president reiterating his support for a two-state solution, israel along a new state of palestine. he said it's more important than ever that the negotiations resume between the u.s. and the palestinians. even before the meeting, le be delivering a major speech of the middle east on thursday at the state department. a lot of us anticipate that in that speech the president will get tougher with syria and bashar al assad putting up pressure for the sanctions. will the u.s. formally call assad to step down as it did with ga do you have fee and libya was concerned. we'll wait anxiously to hear what the president of the united states says in that speech on thursday. we'll, of course, have live coverage here on cnn. a lot happening always at
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cnnpolitics.com. t.j.? >> all right. let's go back to that first story that you had. you said your gut, your instinct would be that john kerry would be in that line. why would that be the case? this is a guy who probably knows just as well or better than anybody up there on capitol hill international affairs. >> i always thought this was his dream job. obviously he wanted to be president of the united states. it didn't work out for him in 2004 when he was the democratic nominee. but ever since he was a young man and came home from vietnam and went into the united states senate, foreign policy, foreign affairs, international relations has been his passion. i know he was interested in being secretary of state when president obama was elected but the president went with hillary clinton for that job. as long as the democrats have the majority in the senate, he'll remain the chairman of that important committee. my own gut tells me he would be
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seriously considered by the president if, in fact, the president is re-elected and if hillary clinton decides she doesn't want to serve a second term. when i interviewed her in cairo, she told me she definitely did not want to serve a second term as secretary of state, told me she wasn't going to run for president again, she didn't want to be defense secretary if robert gates left. she gave me four nos when i asked all of those questions. but this is a free country. people can always change their minds z minds. >> indeed, wolf. thank you. wolf coming up in just an hour in "the situation room." meanwhile, to our viewers, i am t.j. holmes and in for brooke baldwin. it turns out osama bin laden did communicate with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula and he was planning more attacks even while
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he was in hiding. barbara starr is here with us. hello to you. we're understanding that osama bin laden was apparently in the loop. does that mean, however, that he was actually -- had a hand in planning a possible attack later? he was just aware of what was happening. >> you know, t.j., they are struggling to get documents and journals and everything that the s.e.a.l.s got in that compound. a u.s. official says, yes, there is now documentation, if you will, from the compound that bin laden was communicated with the affiliate group al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. basically, al qaeda in yemen. a very dangerous group. the question is, how effective
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were his communications? >> barbara, can you hang tight? i want to go to the secretary of state speaking. >> pakistani leaders, including president zardari, army chief of starm, general keoni, special representative mark grossman will be in pakistan later to continue more detailed conversations and obviously there are important concerns and many questions that have to be addressed and worked through. but i would just remind us all that in recent years our cooperation between our governments, our militaries, our law enforcement agencies has increased pressure on al qaeda and the taliban. and we want that progress to continue. going forward, the united states is committed to supporting the people and the government of
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pakistan as they defend their own democracy from the constant attacks by violent extremists. i'm not going to comment on any specific issue that senator kerry referred to in any of his public remarks but we're going to be working very hard in the days and weeks ahead to ensure that we have a path forward, that continues the progress and answers a lot of the concerns that both sides have at this point. >> the second question is, moving to -- >> again, forgive me, barbara starr is standing by with me at the pentagon. i guess pretty good timing there as we're talking about al qaeda and al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, in particular, new documents or those documents
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pulled out of those compounds in pakistan. the secretary of state there had a meeting with our viewers to explain there, with the new zealand foreign minister as she was asked questions there. so she's responding to questions about the important relationship between the u.s. and pakistan and certainly is in a delicate position right now. barbara starr, my apologies for jumping in like that. with al qaeda, in the arabian peninsula, people hear the name, they hear al qaeda and assume that there is a very close relationship or a tight-knit relationship between it and al qaeda that everyone knows. but is that necessarily the case? there is a separate but, again, from what was found at this compound where bin laden was found, it seems like there was a closer relationship than we realized. >> well, it really all goes back to what secretary clinton has said. they have top find out how effective bin laden's communications were.
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was it official support, perhaps, yes, perhaps no. or was it other people inside pakistan that were acting as him operatives communicated with other elements of al qaeda. it's very crucial for them to find out what this all means. so we know now that he was communicating outward to al qaeda in yemen. we also know -- officials are confirming to us -- that bin laden was really behind some plots that emerged in late october of last year that led to a travel warning for americans traveling in europe. you may recall a number of travel alerts issued. officials say they suspect that bin laden was behind it. but now going through the documentation they grabbed, they now know that bin laden was very active in that period of time in plotting and urging attacks against americans in europe and infrastructure in europe, that he was really, as you said, in the loop, pushing his operatives. but, again, how was he doing
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this? we know he may have had some thumb drive communication. but who was carrying those thumb drives? who else in pakistan were his direct contacts that he was using to make these communications happen and who was receiving them? critical question and critical as the secretary is somewhat pointing out if they were going to move ahead in the relationship with pakistan, they have to figure all of this out so they can move ahead. t.j.? >> and, again, right to that point again, yes, it sounds like he was getting information out but was he essentially giving moral support and encouragement or was he laying out tactical plans? do we know that? >> well, i think we know that it was at this point, according to our sources, all of the above. he was giving support. he was offering doctrine, guidance, policy. he was encouraging his operatives to attack. he very clearly for many years had the continuing goal to attack the united states. it led, in part, to this travel
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alert last october. americans might not have been aware that bin laden was behind it all but at that time officials now say that they believe very much that he was behind the so-called threat stream, the stream of threats coming in late last year that led to the travel alert. but still smoking gun, maybe a bad analogy, but an apt one. was he really behind a current plot, a current plan that had any legs to it? we know about this period in late october. still looking for evidence from the administration, from officials as they go through all of this. how effective was he? was he just, you know an out of touch guy sitting and tapping on his computer in a house in pakistan? a lot of officials say it's somewhere in between. in this case they think that he was in the loop. >> barbara starr from the pentagon. we appreciate you, as always. we continue to talk about the tricky relationship between the u.s. and pakistan and how it's more tricky now. a fire fight today on the
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afghan-pakistani border is evidence of that. there is a goal of making some progress towards the end of the war in afghanistan. we have both of these issues tonight. >> reporter: t.j., there's been a lot of speculation about when the taliban would be brought back in from the cold. a lot of pressure to try to reopen negotiations because conflict, apparently it seems seemingly not going to win the day. so we're hearing reports about discussions between the u.s. and one high-ranking official from the taliban in afghanistan. someone very close to the leader. these discussions have taken place already in qatar. it's a long-term plan to bring the taliban back into the fold but at the same time the fighting continues and there's
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so much pressure here on pakistan trying to get pakistan to recommit the fracture in the relationship between pakistan and the united states and we're seeing just how sensitive that is once again today. two nato helicopters, according to the pakistan military, ventured into pakistan air space. the pakistan military fired on the choppers and the choppers returned fire wounding two pakistan troops. there's so much sensitivity about pakistan air space after the osama bin laden raid, the fact that pakistan did not know about it and it's leading to the anti-american feeling and accidents can happen and how volatile the situation is. t.j.? >> thanks to our stan grant, as always. coming up, the inside story of the scandal involving around na arnold schwarzenegger. he has admitted to fathering a child outside of his marriage.
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how in the world did he keep it a secret for so long and how close is the woman to maria shriver? plus, one of the most powerful men in the world, dominique strauss-kahn accused of trying to rape a hotel maid. plus, french reaction to how the u.s. is treating him. [ male announcer ] nature is unique...
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. maria shriver has now reacted to the news that her husband has fathered a child
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outside of their marriage with a household staffer. here is maria shriver's brief statement. this is a painful and heartbreaking time. my concern is for the children. i ask for compassion, respect, and privacy as my children and i rebuild our lives and heal. i will have no further comment. it's barely been a week since the couple's separation which followed schwarzenegger's term as governor. people say that shriver had had enough before this announcement. >> maria has been miserable in this marriage for several years and made that very clear to people who knew her and part of the reason was the womanizing. so it's not just one incident that set maria off, by any means, and it was also arnold's ego. she felt ignored by him. >> schwarzenegger has confirmed news of the child which was broken by the l.a. times.
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the mother, according to sources, worked for the family for 20 years. a source tells cnn the child was born more than ten years ago. well, the man accused of chasing a maid naked around a $3,000 a night hotel suite accused of trying to rape her is being held at one of the country's most notorious jails. he is being held at rikers island. here is how a former new york city commissioner describes it. take a listen. >> he's in a single cell by himself, he's in a small housing unit. there are probably no more than seven or eight cells on that housing unit. his day begins probably around 6:00 a.m. when he is served breakfast, which he will take in his cell, and then much will depend on the status of his case. he may then go out to court, he
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may have meetings with his attorneys, might get a visit, or he may just sit in a cell by himself until lunchtime and then the afternoon would be a repeat of the morning and lights out would be at 10:00 or 11:00 at night. >> well, here in the u.s., this is just another criminal case. he's another criminal in which the accused is very rich and powerful. again, the accused here. but in france, dominique strauss-kahn was a whole lot more. he was expected to run for president and a lot of people say that he was the front-runner and he was expected to run. a new york correspondent for france 24 joins me now. we appreciate you being here. it's one thing that france -- that's what we want to hear. france may be shocked at what is happening here, shocked by the allegations, that he's been arrested. but is there also some surprise
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and shock even at how the u.s. media is treating such a story? >> yeah, certainly. but you have to understand french don't know the american judicial system they don't know that cameras allowed. they don't know the tradition in new york city. in france, for example, it's forbidden to show somebody with handcuffs that has not been convicted. so on this many levels, it's discovering to be treated as a criminal and, of course, in addition to the shock of seeing one of the most influential men in france. >> are there some in france as well who may be reserving judgment on whether or not he's guilty or innocent but still are a bit offended at how the u.s. is treating one of their
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citizens? >> yeah, absolutely. three days now the reality is starting to sink in for the french people. but in the beginning there was doubt and the fact that it's happening in the u.s. and the fact that in the u.s. there is a long history of sex scandal that everybody knows in france. and so they were, you know, maybe commercials about that. but now we are learning more details that it is in fact in jail, it helps french people to see the reality now. but it's a huge thing and maybe some french people are ashamed of that. because maybe there was a pride element of dominique strauss-kahn, the head of the international organization and of course that has ended. >> the last thing on the political front, and you kind of alluded to it in your answer, yes, the french people are quite
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for giving, i guess you could say, when it comes to extramarital affairs or sex scandals when it comes to their politicians. but this is not just about an affair. it's about a criminal sexual assault. do you think the french people will be less for giving if he's found guilty or innocent but the possibility of him having a political career down the road? >> absolutely. i mean, the story that you just talked about, it was -- you know, you have seen a lot of stories, for example, where a child was born out of wedlock and that was hidden for years because every journalist and reporter in france was ignoring of the story. but they didn't talk about it. that would be different maybe today. but the fact is that people are forgiving of these kinds of indiscretions. but that's a different story.
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here you have violence and rape and that kind of thing. so people won't be for getting that. rape is rape. either in the u.s. or in france. so you're right, it's absolutely a different story. >> all right. emanuel, the new york correspondent for france 24. we appreciate your time. hope to check in again on this story. thank you so much. >> thank you. for the first time since the story broke, we are hearing from the lawyer representing the maid who says that the imf chief attacked her. the attorney, jeffrey shapiro, describes his client as young and devoted to her daughter. he says she does not have an agenda and he describes what this is doing to her life. take a listen. >> this is a hardworking woman a. single woman, supporting a 15-year-old young woman. they live together. and she was grateful to have a job for which she could provide shelter and food for them.
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since this has occurred, she hasn't been able to go home, she can't go back to work. she has no idea what her future is going to be in any respect. so this has been -- aside from what took place in the hotel room, the trauma that has taken place in her life is extraordinary. >> the attorney also says that the made is frightened and keeps playing the alleged attack over in her mind. also coming up, a disturbing discovery in syria. underneath the dirt, you can see in this video, you can see apparently bodies and the condition that their hands are found are sending out some clues about this being a mass grave. that is ahead. also coming up, the first lady of france reportedly pregnant. find out who spilled this secret and why the timing is significant for her husband, nicolas sarkozy. in 2011, at&t i, building up our wireless network all across america.
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. all right. it's that time of the day where we go globe trekking, looking at the news of the day around the world. let's turn to our good friends, hala spoez gorani: this video is disturbing out of syria. >> it is indeed. this is video that activists in syria shows a mass grave a farmer told an activist who then relayed the information to us
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that he smelled dead bodies in a field and this is what was unearthed. he saw a hand, a feet, extremities. of course, this is not video that we can authentically but it's a story that nobody is able to report on because we are having to lie on activists and eyewitness testimony. meanwhile, the regime is saying this is untrue, that there is no mass grave in syria. that is where the uprising began two months ago against the government. >> what could this be? if this turns out to be the case, if we're ever able to confirm this, what will the implication be if it is what many think it is? >> it would mean that human rights organizations indicate that 800 people, potentially the regime, police forces, security forces, whatever you want to call them, are in fact keeping
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the bodies of loved ones away from their bodies so as not to create an opportunity for people to congregate during funerals where we have seen anti-government protesters break out as well. the bodies might have been thrown into a mass grave. it's very difficult for us to confirm any of that. that's what activists are telling us and it cross checks with the other information that we've heard from eyewitnesss that bodies are kept from their loved ones after death for several days. >> what was this information that we're hearing, kind of disturbing as well, about the hands that were there in the dirt? people say they were finding them and the certain condition that they were in. >> again, it's difficult to tell because some of these bodies are decomposed because it seems as though, according, again, to eyewitnesss, that these people might have been subjected to some sort of violence before
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they were killed. all of this is extremely troubling, of course, and hillary clinton, the secretary of state, her eu counterpart saying, be prepared for new sanctions against the regime. there will be a number of moves in the coming hours and days. could it target bashar directly? sole far these sanctions have not targeted him directly. >> we will turn from that and over to france. rumors are flying about the first lady. >> it seems that as -- yes. these rumors have been flying for a while but carla sarkozy, today i believe at an event against the literacy -- if we remove the banner, we might be able to see possibly a little baby bump. her father-in-law, the father of nicolas sarkozy said that she
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was pregnant, her mother told the italian press that she is pregnant. she is 43 so that might possibly be a reason that they kept this under wraps. it's still a higher risk presidency at that age. it would be the first presidency in -- since 1958. so that would be quite a -- and it would come right on time for the presidential election campaign. now the dominique strauss-kahn story seems to be out. >> why are the parents spilling the beans here? >> that's a good question. it's hard to imagine a scenario where the parents have not told their children that they are going to talk to journalists, some sort of let it slip out. but maybe it was the biggest slip of the sarkozy family. we don't know. by the way, carla bruni did not attend the appearance of the
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cameo that she had an appearance in. >> all right. we'll turn back home here in a moment. a frantic search going on across three states for a missing boy. police say his mother took him out of school, killed herself in a hotel room. find out why the biggest clue in the search could be a note that she left behind. also, paul ryan has announced whether or not he will run for senate. jessica yellin will break the news to you. she's joining me right after the break. let me tell you about a very important phone call i made. when i got my medicare card,
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all right. it's time for us to take a look at the political ticker. hello, jessica. >> hey, t.j. you set it up as a cliff hanger before the break. will paul ryan run or not run for the open senate seat in the state of wisconsin. the answer is, he will not run. he has decided, he said, to continue at his work in the house of represents to rein in government spending. we also know that former governor of wisconsin, tommy thompson, also former health and human services secretary has told republicans that if paul ryan were told not to run, tommy thompson would then run. so putting two and two together, expect an announcement from
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tommy thompson soon. haley barbour looked like he was going to run for president and now it looks like he will not. it looks like had he a conversation with mitch daniels who is playing hamit lately trying to decide whether he will run for president and barbour has urged daniels to run and that's meaningful because haley barbour has huge political know-how. and if daniels were to get in, with haley behind him, he would have a formidable force. also, tim pawlenty has taken the opportunity to dep fend israel but also slam the united nations in the statement that he said that the united nations has
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been, this is a quote -- has been and continues to be the single worst forum to resolve key issues between the israelis and palestinians. the palestinians should be sitting down to negotiate with israel. we shouldn't have the united nations making it's own statement about the republicans as is national health care reform. so he is not taking any political risk there but a very pointed statement. and that's the latest. >> jessica yellin with the political ticker. we appreciate you as always. meanwhile, weeks after stirring the political pot, donald trump is not running for president. but he showed americans how scary the political system has become. in fact, he calls trump's whole campaign of sorts a house of horrors. he's with me next. nationwide insurance. talk to me.
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well, that was a good time, wasn't it? by that i mean, donald trump's brief engagement of running for president. >> look at my polls. they are through the roof. >> this is very serious. >> i am seriously considering -- >> i've never taken it seriously like this. >> a lot of people think i'm
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having a good time. >> you have to give a lot of stuff up. but you know what? it's peanuts. >> i hate saying it because it sounds trivial. but i have a very, very successful show on television. i have a show called "celebrity apprentice". >> look, his birth certificate. his birth certificate. i just tell it like it is. i've always known how to make money. you can't do that. it's a sovereign nation. when the show is over, i will be free to announce. i think you will be surprised at what my announcement is. i say we go in and take it. i've accomplished something that nobody else has been able to accomplish. our president has finally released a birth certificate. i don't know why he doesn't release his records. why doesn't he realize his records?
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he was a great student. if he was that great, that's great. if he wasn't, that's great. i wasn't a good student. >> there was interesting insights today in the column that you wrote, talking about donald trump and donald trump making suckers out of a lot of us. so who was the bigger sucker? was it republicans? was it voters in general? the media? or was it president obama which you hit on in your column as well? who was the bigger sucker in all of this? >> well, t.j., i would like to pick all of the above. the only guy that comes out ahead is he's able to turn this -- he really needs another $60 million, right? but he played all of us in the media, of course, for suckers because we gave him all of this free publicity, didn't have to pay for it, here was this guy
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that changed all of his positions on health care, abortion, everything else, and sure enough he rose to the top of the polls. we are accepting this whole birther controversy and made the president look foolish because he has to go out there in the white house briefing room and explain why he's having this public argument with this guy he called a carnival barker. i think the carnival barker won the whole thing. >> you call it scary, how scary our political system is. are we going to learn from this in some way or is this another reminder, in your opinion, about how scary things are and what do you mean by scary when you talk about our political system? >> well, everybody was talking about donald trump as a clown or
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as his campaign being a ride, like a carnival barker. and i call it the house of horrors. because it showed all you need is name recognition and the potential to spend a lot of money. nothing else in your ability to actually govern and work in the government doesn't mean a thing. we in the media knew the first time he appeared it was almost certainly a publicity stunt but there is always that one in a,000 chance and i thousand chance he exploited it and i don't see how we stopped this from happening. >> you say he played us like a fidel and don't see how we stop it. how much should the ee lk for rate reward it? we reward him with air time but does the electorate reward those
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folks, these carnival barkers, folks with name recognition and money, do they reward them as well with victory on election day? >> it's highly doubtful that trump would have had any sort of electoral success. i think he pulled out of the point where it appeared sort of the all of his support was taken away and it sounds like i heard you say there is 1 in 1,000 chance -- >> none of this is your fault. >> i take full responsibility i
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it was fun while it lasted. >> it was a good read and i encourage folks to read it. i'll send it out one more time. good to see you, as always. >> thanks, take care. let's turn to the flooding. more than two million acres of land under water in central mississippi right now. it's only going to get worse. levees that protect millions of people from floodwaters are holding up right now but there is this planned flooding expected to save new orleans and baton rouge but others will get swamped. martin savidge is in vicksburg. you are in towns that look like ghost towns? >> reporter: yes. see that ideal lick beautiful scene and it looks like nature until you pan off to the left and we're in somebody's
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neighborhood. this flooded about a week ago and the water continues to rise. 1700 people have been forced to flee as a result of the water. hundreds of homes, five subdivisions up in this part of the city and more to the south of the city and the number grows because the wearlt level is rising and we are not expected to see the water crest until thursday. we took a boat ride through this community and it's really startling to see the pictures of how high the water has come. in many cases it's not to the point of coming up to the roof line but over the roof line. 11 feet, 15 feet of water. yes, they flooded because that's this kind of historic flood. meanwhile, we wanted to show you at least one elementary school that has been trying desperately in redwood to fight off the floodwaters that have been encroaching up their way. there is only about a week of
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school left and then we traveled this two days ago and now it's completely shut off that he is a major transportation problem, not only for just doing business but first responders trying to do emergency work here. it's cut off a number of communities and that was the case with eagle lake, which we went to today. and that neighborhood is spooky because everyone is gone, it's totally dry, 1,000 people out of their homes because they are worried about two levees that could break and if they don't they are completely surrounded by water any way. if you needed an ambulance, it would take an hour and a half. they can't tolerate it. safest thing to do is get people out of the way. the army corps of engineers say, look, the water is coming up. you better be mindful how far it's coming. they've marked a line. they said, this is how far it's going to come.
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that line is right here. you can't see it in fact, the water has come up even higher. and you can see that it's still going up. t.j.? >> nobody knows what is about to happen. martin savidge, thank you very much. the search for a 6-year-old boy is going on. his mother killed herself. and she left a note behind. also, should parents be able to snoop on their kids' facebook pages? the california senate considering a bill that would let them do that. sunny, i know she thinks that's a great idea. >> you know me well. we were actually thinking, maybe... we're going to hike up here, so we'll catch up with you guys. [ indistinct talking and laughter ]
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and we'll provide the coverage you need at the right price. liberty mutual auto insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? all right. a mother checks her 6-year-old son out of school and then vanishes. she's found dead in a motel room days later but there's still no search of the boy, despite a search stretching across three states. sunny, always good to see you. this is a little scary, here to think where in the world is this kid? why has he not turned up? are they tracking anywhere, where the mother might have taken the kid? >> well, absolutely. apparently she took him out of his kindergarten class and they went on a whirl wind trip. she took them to the zoo and
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then two water parks and then they went to the hotel. the boy spoke to his relatives on friday and appeared to be okay. he said he wasn't in danger so they knew that he was safe at least until friday. >> okay. but at this point, though, why haven't they -- and there was some question about whether or not an amber alert was put out to look for the young man. why not? >> that's a great question. there hasn't been an amber alert because law enforcement has to know that there's been an abduction. in this case he was disappeared into thin air. the mother left a note, t.j., indicating that she had given him to someone to care for. other clues that the car seat was gone and backpack was gone and why hasn't somebody called
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up and said, hey, we just anyone who knows where he is. should parents be able to. on a facebook page? i didn't realize that kids have rights, to be quite honest with you, in their parents' house. you're telling me that a kid could sue their parent if the parent violated their privacy? >> not in my house they don't have rights. but certainly children do have rights. just because they are children doesn't mean that you can trample on those rights. but this case is a bit different. this bill is requiring facebook and other social networking
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sites to have an increasing privacy setting default and to remove personal information of underaged people. i'm talking about home phone number, address, social security numbers, driver's license if a parent requests it. this is really in my view about protecting children from child predators. don't we want that? privacy rights folks are going to be all over my case and sending me e-mails but bottom line, we've got to keep our children safe. some of them don't know any better. >> that is a good point there but with the debate going back and forth, is there a good chance that this will become law or will this be a debate and not find the support that it needs? >> i think it's possible that it will become law but there has been a debate. a lot of social networking sites have weighed in. i have a letter here that was written may 16th to the california state senate again. this would be a state bill, not
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federal law. and i don't know if you can see this, tons of signatures. we're talking about facebook, twitter, google, skype, they are really against this proposed bill. we got a statement from facebook. i think we have it here. facebook is really, really fighting it. they are saying that thl legislation is a serious threat to both facebook biz in california. when you say debate, this is certainly going to be a debate. california senate but not in my house. my kids have no rights. >> probably good debate to have. but i can't wait until your kids haul you into court and you have to defend yourself. we will be there to defend that. good to see you,s as always. thank you so much. >> thanks. michele bachmann, if she decides to run for president, republicans will not be the only one standing in her way. a high school student has also just challenged the congresswoman. wait until you hear the topic this high school student wants to debate her on.
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liberty mutual auto insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? all right. a county executive accused of taking $200,000 in bribes and he got his wife to flush a check and stuff a lot of cash in her
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clothing. joe johns has the story. >> the big thing is that this guy pled today. he was a top guy in princes george county. bribery and extortion. he got caught in a really embarrassing stings with audio evidence. johnson told his wife to flush the $100,000 check down the toilet, stash a bunch of cash in her underwear and bra. we're talking $79,000. so this story is coming to an end here in washington. a source of endless jokes. >> a lot of us wondered how the 8 grand -- let's leave it to that. >> i know. >> let's turn to michele bachmann. we know she might get to throw her hat into the ring for the presidential politics. thinking about her challengers there, i didn't see this coming.
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she has a challenge from a high school schooler? >> real fast, number one, bachmann might make an announcement or decision by the end of may. meanwhile, we try to approach these things with skepticism but the school system up there in new jersey confirms that there really is a high school sophomore east in new jersey, this girl's name is amy myers and the student has challenged michele bachmann to a debate on the constitution. we haven't talked to amy yet. i spoke to a reporter with the newspaper up there who says amy is the opinion editor of the school newspaper so she has a point of view and she took issue with michelle back man's knowledge of american history and now she's challenged her on the constitution. but michele bachmann has not taken the bait. absolutely no comment on that one and probably smart for it. >> okay. not even commenting, not just sayi

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