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good evening, everyone. we begin tonight with the latest on the stunning news about arnold schwarzenegger, one of the most recognizable faces on the planet, a superstar actor and former governor of california. today we learned that schwarzenegger, who once called family the basic foundation of everything, had a child of wedlock and hid that child for years not just from voters, but from his own family, his own wife, his other children. we learned today it was the central reason why schwarzenegger and maria shriver, seen here in better times, announced their

separation last week after 25 years of marriage. schwarzenegger today admitted he fathered a child with a member of the household staff. >> he went on to say -- >> later, this statement from his wife -- >> there are additional details tonight. "the new york times" reporting tonight the child is a boy. he's now 14 and his mother, again, according to "the times," was pregnant with him at the same time as maria shriver was pregnant with their youngest child. the boy was an occasional presence at the schwarzenegger home and there was rumors about schwarzenegger for years, stories of infidelity during his

first campaign for governor he was accused of groping women. this is how he responded back then. >> i always say that wherever there's smoke, there's fire. that is true. and i want to say to you, yes, i have behaved badly sometimes. >> well, two days after he made that statement, maria shriver launched a public campaign supporting her husband in the crucial final days of the campaign. >> so in the end, in these final 48, 72 hours, you can make a decision. you can listen to all the negativity and you can listen to people who have never met arnold or who met him for five seconds 30 years ago or you can listen to me. >> well, that was in october nearly eight years ago. what she apparently did not know then, and that we just learned today is that the child her husband fathered would have already been a toddler at the time or older if "the new york times" version is correct. two years before that, schwarzenegger was railing against single parenthood

saying, i think the situation with single parenting is disastrous. he was talking mainly but not exclusively about poor inner city parents and kids. he also said regardless of wealth and prarntal resources, single parenting is bad for kids. we'll talk about that tonight as well as why women stick with men despite warning signs. first, how we got here, what we know. like a bomb in the state of california in this morning's los angeles times, schwarzenegger fathered a child with long-time member of the household staff. the woman who had the affair and the child with schwarzenegger had worked for his family for about a decade at the time of the affair and only recently retired. a source told cnn that schwarzenegger financially supported the child since birth. when the l.a. times began asking questions, the mother said that another man, her husband at the time, was the father. she also said she was leaving her long-time job with the family because "i wanted to

achieve my 20 years and i asked to retire." the staffer's cover story about the father fell apart when schwarzenegger claimed paternity. the woman who has not been identified has had no further comment. allegations of affairs occasionally surfaced throughout his eight years in office, but none seem to threaten his marriage with maria shriver. their married in 1986, and as a couple have four children. schwarzenegger told his wife about the child after leaving office in january and since then he and shriver have effectively lived separate lives according to "the l.a. times." he's been trying to revive his film career. interested in making sequels to "the terminator" and he's globe trotted to brazil with james cameron, to france, and to washington to participate in the conference on immigration with president obama. trips he took all reportedly without his wife. three weeks ago, the couple marked a milestone.

25 years of marriage. normally a call for celebration. but then last monday, they announced they were amicably separating. she was moving out of their brentwood home and they released a statement that read in part -- this has been a time of great personal and professional transition for each of us. after a great deal of thought, reflection, discussion and prayer, we came to this decision together. at this time, we're living apart while we work on the future of our relationship. a day after that announcement on tuesday, schwarzenegger seemed to suggest they were trying to work through issues that led to the separation. >> we both love each other very much. we're very fortunate that we have four extraordinary children and we're taking one day at a time. >> "the l.a. times" reports shriver was less optimistic. she had been unhappy in the marriage for years and was waiting for her husband's term to end before splitting. today's bombshell has only deepened the divide between the couple. shriver called the latest news heartbreaking and the couple's

children also are speaking out on twitter. out of all the doubts and questions schwarzenegger's family must have had, one of the biggest is on the mind of a nation, how could he keep this secret for so long? joining us now is former l.a. times writer joe matthews, author of "the people's machine, swz swz and the rise of the blockbuster democracy." also joining us, jessica yellin and candy crowley. jessica, obviously long standing rumors of womanizing are one thing. a secret out of wedlock child is something else entirely. how big a surprise was this revelation? you covered him for a long time. >> reporter: i've spoken to a lot of insiders today who, to a person say, not that surprised. i'm sort of shocked by that.

they say the fact that it was a housekeeper and the fact that there's a child is startling, and was well covered up. but it was a general understanding he had a problem with womanizing and that it was sort of baked into his image and what people know about him, especially in his community in l.a. there are even people saying this is not going to hurt his movie career going forward. men behaving badly seem to do okay. it will hurt any political aspirations. but he left office with an approval rating in the mid 20s. so any further aspirations would have been pretty slim any way. >> joe, you covered schwarzenegger for a long time. does it surprise you, and how did he manage to keep this under wraps so long? >> you had a situation where the woman was married at the time. he was married. they both had a reason not to tell anyone. i don't think it's terribly surprising this was a secret for a long time. politicians, while we reporters love to think that we know all, we don't. we often know very little.

and this was the case here. i think in this particular case, i was surprised by the announcement of a separation. these are two people who are very invested in this marriage. not just for all the personal reasons but because the narrative of the marriage, this marriage between two very different people who despite their struggles and problems and differences, managed to make it work. that's something they both sold and prospered from in their professional lives. so they have a lot of reasons not to get divorced, not to split. but the news that he was involved with a woman who was not his wife was not surprising. this is not someone who has run as a public moralist or promised in politics to be faithful to his wife or was faithful in the past or would be in the future. this was not a bill clinton who wagged his finger. this is someone whose public and political persona was someone who was a little bit naughty. even in that 2003 campaign, you

know, we saw that. >> right. candy, you were there. you covered the campaign at the time of those multiple groping allegations. a, does this surprise you? and does it surprise you that it was kept secret for so long time? >> reporter: well, it doesn't, and i think for reasons just talked about. if you have people vested in keeping quiet, then they keep it quiet. so if you have a woman married to someone else, who is having his baby, she apparently was getting child support all of this time, perhaps there was an accountant involved somewhere along the line. but he also has a vested interest in staying quiet. there's a difference between the aggrieved women that "the l.a. times" reported in great detail. like five, six days, less than a week before the recall vote in california. and he had started a huge tour that day that we were on with

lots of hollywood and stopping in several cities. and this story just came up that morning on the front page of "the times," and there was a story after that, as well. like 20 women or something and it was pretty disgusting behavior. and he said no, he didn't do it. then he said, well, you know, it's hollywood and it's gyms and i was sort of baudy. so i apologize if people were offended. but the difference between those women and the mother of this child is that they were aggrieved and angry, and she obviously didn't even want to talk as late as yesterday. so, you know, again, it's not surprising. people don't want to talk, it's hard to find out. >> do we know how maria shriver is doing? >> reporter: i've been in touch with somebody who is close to her who said this is not adrift. that this was an act -- leaving him was an act of an empowered woman who knows what she wants and the kind of life she wants to lead.

and the bottom line there is look, this woman didn't stand by her man, but as a caveat, once this latest revelation happened and only after he left the governor's office. >> jessica, candy, appreciate your time. joe matthews, as well. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. up next, politics, power and fame, why so often it's linked to infidelity. dr. drew pensky weighs in. does the power lead to this behavior or is it the drive that propels some men to seek fame and power that same drive does that lead them to cheat? and later, breaking news. the man on the right now believed to be bin laden's successor. we'll tell you who he is and whether the new acting boss could be as dangerous or more dangerous as the old one. building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity,

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♪ well, you know i love it too ♪ ♪ you love money ♪ well, you know i love it too ♪ ♪ i work so hard at my job ♪ and then i bring it home to you ♪ ♪ i love money in my pocket breaking news tonight. new details that arnold schwarzenegger fathered a child out of wedlock with a member of the household staff. "the new york times" reporting tonight the boy is about 14 years old. several friends telling the paper the mother was working around the house while pregnant at the same time that maria shriver was pregnant with her own youngest. we've seen a lot of politicians

caught cheating and lying about it, but arnold schwarzenegger's deception of his own family over the course of many years is pretty surprising. dr. drew pensky believes it's not the power and fame that leads some men to cheat as a lot of people think, but the thing that drives some men to become famous or powerful is an impulse which also drives them to cheat sometimes. he'll explain that in a minute. but first, tom foreman and some of the other politicians we've seen who have done this, as well. >> reporter: even in the midst of this sex scandal, the former california governor has plenty of company. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: ever since president clinton was caught fooling around 13 years ago, internet rumors, cameras everywhere, and the public appetite for dirt have outed dozens of public figures for indiscretions. among republicans, such scandals have had particular impact. former house speaker, now presidential contender newt gingrich led the charge against

clinton, but twice had affairs of his own. senators david vitter and then senator john ensign likewise have defended conservative family values but vitter was linked to prostitutes and ensign cheated on his wife. and when the governor of south carolina, mark sanford, was found with his mistress, not on the appalachian trail -- >> i've been unfaithful to my wife. >> the wife suggested he take a hike. >> i frankly didn't know where he was. >> reporter: and it's not as if republicans have cornered the market on indiscretion. >> because i did not want the public to know what i had done. very simple. >> reporter: john edwards talked to "nightline" about his affair with this woman, rielle hunter. she claimed they had a love child, something he at first denied. >> when you were running for president, you flat out defined having a relationship with rielle hunter, were you telling me the truth then? >> yes. >> reporter: he later came clean and his wife, elizabeth, now

deceased, left him and took their kids with her. other democrats, former new york governor, now cnn host, eliot spitzer paid for escorts. former new jersey governor jim mcgreevey cheated with another man. but it's not just politics. in sports, brett favre and ben roethlisberger were accused of but never charged with misconduct. tiger woods went into the rough over extramarital playing partners. >> i was unfaithful. i had affairs. >> reporter: and in entertainment, scandals have enveloped david letterman, hue grant, george michael and jesse james just to name a few. so the former california governor can take consolation knowing as a politician, an athlete, and an entertainer, he is not alone. but then when you think about it, that was the whole problem. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> that's the what. for a closer look at the why, i spoke with dr. drew pensky. dr. drew, i've read some

psychologists who say men with great power and status are more prone to affairs than the average person. is that really true? >> i think it probably is true, anderson, but it doesn't mean it's okay, and it doesn't mean the high profile or power status necessarily causes this. in fact, the research that i've done on celebrities and people in positions of power show something quite different. what it shows is the kind of person that strives to get themselves in those positions may have certain character liabilities that make them the kind of person prone to these transgressions. >> what's the correlation, the drive to achieve something and the impulse or whatever to cheat or to do stuff that's high risk? >> it's a topic we have talked about over the years, it's narcissism. it's the need to get pumped up

from the environment to feel okay about yourself, so you have to keep getting positions of power to feel okay when you don't feel so good on the inside. narcissism has this liability of failure, which is people with narcissism don't perceive the consequences of their actions. because they don't really perceive other people's feelings very well. particularly in those moments where they have a powerful impulse, it's hard to predict the effects it's going to have on other people. >> that drive can apply to everybody who has a tv show. not everybody on tv acts out in this way, though. >> that's absolutely correct. the difference is that liability. my point is, and the part i find most disturbing is the public at large will rather be dismissive and say oh, guess what, somebody in a position of authority, some male who makes a lot of money is acting out sexually. yeah, we get that. but does it make it okay? it is not okay for many reasons. it says something deep about their personality functioning and value system. this has such a rippling effect on people around them. people they love are shattered

by this, and we've heard so much of this these days. it's almost becoming normal and that background noise affects our kids. this is the warning i want to keep putting out. they need to discuss this with their children, this behavior is not okay. if they want to behave like this, they shouldn't take a vow and they should do all this before they get married or not get married. >> what i don't understand, though, i understand a famous person doing this, look, the behavior of somebody like charlie sheen. but somebody who is running for office, whose entire livelihood depends on being seen as being honest and making promises with the voters, to do this while you're running for office, we've seen it with john edwards, when eliot spitzer was governor, he had the problem that he had. why would somebody in political life, of all places, when you're under that microscope, do this? >> it boggles the mind, doesn't it, anderson? i would have two answers.

one, is sometimes it's sexual addiction. sometimes people, just like with any other addiction, they're in denial. they don't really perceive the consequences of their actions. but more often than not, it is a sense of entitlement, of being special, of sort of being entitled to this sort of thing and some of the reasons they're in the position they're in makes them feel entitled. the fact is, they're just not. for those of us not to dismiss it, further enhances their sense of entitlement. >> is there a sense of -- does the danger of it, does the forbiddenness of it add to the appeal of it or the attraction of it for some of these people? >> for some of my patients, it is the intensity. with sex and love addicts, if you remember the south carolina governor that had the woman down in south america, that was classic love addiction. and yes, it's the intensity of the experience more off than not.

>> you call it love addiction. isn't that just being in love? >> no, this is -- think about how wild that was. he had never met her before, he developed this wild sort of fantasy about who they were together. that's sort of -- if you read about love addiction, that's a pretty classic case of that. >> we got a question from a viewer in michigan. why do smart, successful women put up with it? which is obviously a good point. we've seen this time and again. >> the fact is, when i was talking about it on my show today, the women that put it with up who was the spouse that got cheated upon and how about the women who do the cheating. we need to hold them accountable, as well. they often play a strong role in this dance we call infidelity. but i will tell you this, that the women that stand by the men, we should not be critical of them. in my word, i deal with quite a bit with sexual addiction. a significant majority of the partners with the sex addict will stay with that person and in treatment. that relationship can be restored.

the situation with the schwarzeneggers, such a sad story. i would wish and hope they would stay together and get treatment and look to restitution of their relationship and their marriage. the problem here in their case, though, it sounds like this has been going on for some time and things have just hit their last straw. >> dr. drew, appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. coming up, more breaking news. will the man on the right be the new leader of al qaeda? that's the word we're getting. and in the wake of osama bin laden's death, he's been chosen caretaker leader of al qaeda. what we know about him, next. later, the head of the international monetary fund on suicide watch at new york's rikers island jail. new details about how his lawyers are trying to get him out from behind bars. details ahead. [ male announcer ] what if that hemorrhoid pain

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breaking news tonight on al qaeda. al qaeda has appointed an acting leader following the death of osama bin laden. he's an egyptian named saif al adel, who has long played a prominent role in al qaeda. more details from fran townsend, a member of the homeland security and cia external advisory committees. and in washington, chris lawrence, who has new details on the raid that killed osama bin laden.

fran, let's start with you. this guy appointed interim leader of al qaeda. what do we know about him? >> he's a well established senior person within the ranks of al qaeda. he goes back to pre-9/11 being with bin laden in afghanistan. he was a trainer in training camps in afghanistan and somalia. he was behind -- he's indicted here in new york for his role in planning the east africa embassy bombings in 1998. because he was with bin laden in afghanistan, he probably had knowledge of the "cole" bombing in 2000 in yemen. he goes back to the egyptian islamic jihad, responsible for the assassination of sadat. he's got -- he's -- >> did he end up in prison with al zawahiri? because a lot of people say that's where al zawahri formed a network. >> i don't know if they were in jail together. they were part of the same organization. it's likely they served in jail together. but i don't know for certain,

anderson. so this is a guy who has spent a good deal of time, after americans started bombing in afghanistan, he fled to iran, with two of bin laden's sons. he was there with his wife and family for a number of years. it wasn't until the last year and a half or so that he got out of iran where he was held in sort of house arrest and went back to pakistan. so he's been a member of the military council. and he's got a lot of sort of military experience. >> is it still a possibility that al zawahiri might have assumed the reigns of al qaeda? >> absolutely. you know, we talk about bin laden. members of al qaeda would swear allegiance to bin laden himself personally. so the new leader will have to have those senior members of the ruling council, and other members, swear allegiance to him. the question is, he doesn't have bin laden's charisma. he's known to be a difficult personality.

this allows him to shore up his political base inside al qaeda. >> chris, i want to turn to these new details you were getting tonight about the raid that killed bin laden. what new details do you have? what have you found out? >> reporter: we have now learned that for every one of the about two dozen s.e.a.l.s that assaulted that compound, there was another s.e.a.l. close by as backup. remember when we heard that president obama had to update the plan because he wanted the s.e.a.l.s to be able to fight their way out of that compound, if necessary. now we know how many backups there were. we also know that the helos, both of those blackhawks were never meant to touch the ground. one was supposed to fast rope some s.e.a.l.s in the compound, the other was going to drop the other s.e.a.l.s on the roof and outside. but because they were so concerned about pakistan finding out about this mission, they used these stealth helicopters. one of them ran in trouble and clipped the edge of the wall. that's when they had to scramble the plan. originally, neither was supposed to touch ground, it was only

supposed to take two minutes to get the s.e.a.l.s on the ground. they were counting on the fact that because it's so close to a pakistan military base, people would just think whatever sounds they heard were just the normal comings and goings of pakistani helicopters. there were also a dozen children all throughout this compound and it only took about 15 minutes to get to bin laden. the rest of the time spent trying to blow up that downed helicopter. >> chris lawrence, appreciate the details. thanks, fran. just ahead, dominic strauss-kahn head of the imf, a guy who people said was the next likely president of france, on suicide watch tonight at new york's rikers island jail. a lot of times, things are right underneath our feet,

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on "crime and punishment" tonight, the international monetary fund says its chief, dominic strauss-kahn, does not have diplomatic immunity in the sexual assault case against him in america. and tonight, growing pressure on him to step down from the imf. the former french finance minister is accused of sexually assaulting and trying to rape a maid in his new york hotel suite

over the weekend. he was denied bail and being held in jail on rikers island. he's been placed on suicide watch as a precaution. deb, you've been following the case all day. what is the latest that we know about the alleged victim? >> we know that she has a 15-year-old daughter. she's been working at the hotel for about 2 1/2 years. she was there legally. the lawyer describes her as a woman who is dignified, intelligent, somebody who got along well with supervisors and her co-workers. the lawyer also says when i asked, was this consensual, could this have been consensual as the defense attorneys seem to suggest, saying this was not a forced encounter, the lawyers said no, absolutely not. this event has traumatized her. she's afraid to go home, afraid to go to work and her future is uncertain right now, anderson. >> and she comes from west africa, correct, and she has a good employment record, correct?

>> exactly, exactly. >> sonny, yesterday the defense seemed to suggest that the assault maybe never happened, he had an alibi. in court they imply that the sex did occur but that it was consensual. what do you make of that morphing of the defense strategy? >> this is a very fluid situation. just as the prosecution is continuing its investigation, so is the defense. in a case like this, anderson, where only two people were in the room, there are no other witnesses to what happened. the only two defenses are, one, it's consensual, or two, there's an alibi and it never happened. so it's not unusual for the defense strategy to be evolving and changing. >> deb, do we know anything about forensic evidence? in a case where there's just two people, that would be incredibly important. do we know if there is forensic evidence?

>> there is forensic evidence. one prosecutor said what's interesting is while the presence of semen, it doesn't show that there was a forced encounter of any kind. forensics were sent out, both of the women, but also of dominic strauss-kahn. those have not come back yet, but they will be presented to a grand jury. we're being told that the grand jury is going to be listening to this case and deciding whether to vote by friday as to whether this should go forward, anderson. >> what do we now know about this young journalist in france who accused dominic strauss-kahn of assaulting her, is she considering pressing charges? >> she's connected to a lawyer. she's looking into the charges. she's been quoted as saying she should have gone forward with this at the time it occurred. the big question now, is everybody is watching to see whether other women step forward to say something similar happened to them. when you have something high profile like this, there's always a possibility it could trigger a waterfall almost, anderson. >> sonny, what's the next step

in terms of the legal process? >> as deb mentioned, i'm hearing also that the grand jury has been convened and is determining whether or not they will indict him. may 20th is the control date, and that means if he has been indicted, the charges will be read and he will enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. if he has not been indicted, they will set another date. but the bottom line is, there's no question that this friday the defense will reapply for bail. they're going to try to come up with a situation that is palletable for the prosecution and the court so that he is no longer being held at rikers island. that may include a $1 million to $2 million bail, or an ankle monitoring bracelet. some sort of situation that gets him out of rikers. that is going to be their top priority. >> deb, he has a daughter i think who lives in new york. so it could be that he has to stay in the city. would that be a possibility? >> absolutely. he could stay in the city. right now we are told -- obviously he's at rikers.

he did have one visitor, but the department of corrections would not say who that was. we are also told, anderson, that he was put on a suicide watch. doesn't mean he's suicidal, but because he's such high profile, this is a guy who is used to meeting with prime ministers and power brokers and presidents. he's isolated now by himself. so as a precaution, they have put him on suicide watch and checking on him about every 15 minutes. >> it's unbelievable. thank you very much. as sonny said, getting dominic strauss-kahn out of jail would be a top priority for his lawyers on friday. this is a man "forbes" magazine named one of the most powerful people. to say his life has changed dramatically in the last 72 hours barely begins to capture it. mary snow has new details about what he's facing right now at rikers. >> reporter: inside these walls, dominic strauss-kahn now spends his day in an 11 x 13 foot cell. most share barracks with about 50 beds in them. because of his high profile, a prison spokesman said he's

separated from other inmates. it's a far cry from the luxury suite at new york's hotel where he stayed before his arrest, with some rooms going as much as $3,000. while hotel guests there were offered a breakfast choice of a five-ounce steak with eggs, with a morning cocktail such as a $20 glass of champagne, breakfast at rikers consists of one apple and banana, a box of mini wheat cereal, milk, coffee or tea. he will be eating alone and won't have contact with other prisoners who number 13,000 to 14,000 on any given day. the attorney says things have changed since violence dominated the jail in the early '90s. >> its name is synonymous in popular culture with brutality, with corruption, with jailbreaks, with people banging cups on bars.

none of which is true anymore. but it still exercises a very powerful hold on the imagination. >> reporter: most of the inmates there are waiting to go on trail and can range from low level drug dealers to murderers. mark david chapman, who killed john lennon, was once held there. so was david burkowitz. aka the son of sam serial killer. in recent years, rapper lil wayne spent time there on a weapons charge. dominic strauss-kahn is able to leave his jail cell and can go outside for an hour a day. but will be escorted by a corrections officer. inside, he's allowed to periodically walk around his housing area corridor where he can watch tv. >> everything is difficult. and the most difficult thing i think for any particular person is to deal with the dehumanization, because you're just one of 13,000 people, and to deal with being cut off from the outside world. floip his first day at rikers, he had one visitor but declined to say who it was.

inmates can have up to three people per visit, not including attorneys who are given access to their clients any given day. mary snow, cnn, this morning. still ahead, bernie madoff is serving more than 100 years, but his assets are up on the auction block. we'll shoel you some of them ahead. and don't you hate it when people talk loudly on their cell phones in a restaurant or on a plane? tonight, this story winds up one woman on the "ridicu-list." a 16-hour cell phone conversation. we'll tell you where she was chatting it up. [ male announcer ] in 2011, at&t is at work, building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people

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coming up, the "ridicu-list." the lady who was arrested after talking for 16 hours on her cell phone on an amtrak train. that's tonight's "ridicu-list." but first, isha sesay has a "360" news and business bulletin. isha? u.s. officials say more sanctions will be announced against syria in the next 48 hours. doesn't matter if the new pressure get syria to stop its violent crackdown on peaceful tests.

george soros dumped nearly $800 million in gold during the first quarter as it soared to record highs. the sale suggests prices are not expected to rise much higher. and it's your chance to get a bottle from bernie madoff's booze collection. bidding begins tomorrow on nearly 300 bottles of wine and i liquor. the live auction will be held in miami on june 4th with proceeds going to a fund for victims of his ponzi scheme. do you like your wine, mr. cooper? >> i mean, a glass now and then. but i know nothing about wine. i get so nervous in the restaurant when you're supposed to know and i have no idea. >> that's all right. >> i leave it up to the waiter. >> there's a fine wine back here. 1996 wine. great starting price. >> how much is that?

>> $3,200. but you get six bottles for that, they tell me. >> six bottles for $3,000? >> look, don't shoot the messenger. i'm only imparting the information to you. >> i'm going to hang out with kathy griffin's mom and drink it by the box. like she does. she's got the right idea. >> tip it. that's what i say. >> exactly. she wrote a book about that. time now for the "ridicu-list." tonight, we're adding a woman named la'keshia beard. but you can just call her the cell phone lady. that's because, according to authorities, she talked loudly on her cell phone while on an amtrak train nonstop for 16 hours. police say cell phone lady started talking in oakland, california, and did not stop until she was escorted off said train in salem, oregon, 16 hours later. what can someone possibly talk about for 16 hours? even if i had been held captive 20 years and was seeing my family for the first time, i

could maybe fill an hour, maybe two hours. but 16? she was taken off the train and charged with disorderly contact. that's right, she got charged, just like her cell phone. and the best part of all, she was riding in one of amtrak's designated quiet cars. sure, if you're going to be yapping, who wants to be surrounded by others yapping with all their other yapping? when other passengers complained to cell phone lady, she got into a verbal altercation and kept talking on her phone. news station katu wanted to interview her after she got arrested. she wouldn't go on camera. she said she didn't feel well and i'm guessing she had a sore throat but she did talk to a reporter briefly on the phone and said "she felt disrespected by the entire incident." she felt disrespected. maybe she's innocent, i don't know. but am i the only one who has no sympathy for people who talk on their cell phones around other people loudly? how many times have you been on

a plane or a bus or a train or a restaurant or a line or a taxi or just about anywhere these days and someone is yammering into their phone loudly and completely oblivious to those around them? i've heard lawyers talking about their clients. i've heard women revealing details about the date they had the night before. while i and others are forced to listen. the idea of being trapped on a train for 16 hours with someone talking on a cell phone, to me it's much more creepy than anything alfred hitchcock could imagine. if there were cell phones in his day, "strangers on a train" would have been a much different movie. think about that, she was on the phone for 16 hours. in 16 hours, you could watch the movie "throw momma from the train" 10.9 times in a row. you wouldn't be able to pay any attention to it, because cell phone lady would have been talking the whole way through it. but still, in 16 hours, you could watch 32 episodes of "soul train."

or listen to the clash song "train in vein" approximately 320 times back-to-back. all of which i would rather do than sit on a train with someone talking loudly into their cell phone for 16 hours. please, people, stay off the phone when you're in public. it's rude and a sure fire way to get you on the "ridicu-list." up next, building up america. see how they keep traffic moving in one city and you could see a lot more of this nationwide. ♪

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nearly 90 years ago one of the country's first traffic lights was installed north of indianapolis. drivers rarely faced a red light. here's tom foreman with tonight's "building up america" report. >> reporter: north of indianapolis in the suburb of caramel, the mayor has been going around in circles for years over traffic jams. >> round abouts work everywhere. >> reporter: he's done away with traffic lights at 80% of the intersections, replacing them with round abouts.

>> it's made a huge difference in the way our city looks and feels and the way people get around. >> reporter: round abouts, not to be confused with rotaries on the east coast, are designed to smoothly sweep drivers in from any direction, guide them around, and just as easily let them out and on their way. since cars don't stop, commuters save time and officials say use 30% less gas at intersections. >> a round about can handle about four to five times the amount of traffic in the same amount of time than a stop light intersection. >> reporter: accidents are also way down, improving insurance rates and the city saves money, too. >> we don't have to buy a $150,000 signal or electricity every year. we don't have to replace it after 15 years.