tonight, arnold schwarzenegger and the mother of his love child. what it means for his career in hollywood. the very latest on the case that's a worldwide sensation. the hotel maid tells her story to a grand jury. i'll ask the country's top legal eagles how would you defend dominique strauss-kahn? and ted nugent, the rock and roll wild man who gave the world this. a man of very strong opinions, is a passionate tea party

supporter. >> we the people are supposed to have crowbars and use them. pay attention, bureaucrats, we're coming to get you. >> gun toting rocker. >> more guns equallies less crime. >> and he's no friend of barack obama. >> the white house today is the fan club. >> tonight, ted nugent literally no holds barred. >> perfect, huh? >> this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. we know now the name of the mother of schwarzenegger's love child. born just days after maria shriver gave birth to her youngest son to the former governor. the divorce papers obtained by cnn say the couple separated less than three weeks after the birth. according to the document, she is a 50-year-old native from

guatemala. take a look at these pictures on taked from tmz. the first one shows them at a private party three years before she gave birth to his child. second shops baena dressed for a halloween party. and the final picture shows baena baby shower in her home when she was eight months pregnant. meanwhile, a source tells cnn arnold schwarzenegger has three upcoming movie deals and is set to shoot a drama this summer. however, the source says, schwarzenegger's put the other two movie projects on hold to concentrate on this family crisis. i want to bring in now a news director of the hollywood reporter. matt, extraordinary story this. anyone see this coming? >> no, certainly not. there have been rumblings about arnold and maria a lot of people had heard but this was certainly a surprise in hollywood. >> the bizarre thing for me, and i touched on this last night, is that the sequence of events

appears to be the housekeeper left. we're not quite sure under what circumstances. whether she retired or was fired. there are various rumors. in january. and at that point, arnold schwarzenegger told maria shriver the true story about the birth of his child 14 years before. here's the odd thing. you would have the impression that all hell's broken loose between them. yet i saw the schwarzeneggers together, maria and arnold, in los angeles at a restaurant about a month ago. inhad a chat with both of them. they were both very friendly. they both seemed very friendly to each other. that was clearly some time after this bombshell had all come out. so what are we to make of all this? >> well, he is an actor. there's been talk of them having problems for a while. but the interesting thing is that he has been been very active in trying to start his movie career going again since he left the governorship. he's been out there within hollywood trying to drum up

support for a couple of movie projects. he wants to restart the terminator franchise. there's been nothing about this at all until the revelations. >> can always go one of several ways when scandals hit lowell wood stars, you know, mel gibson, saw his comeback movie didn't do great recently. he's got over projects in the pipeline. others we've seen either triumph after disasters like this in their personal lives or they just go to pieces and that's the l.a. we hear from them. where do we see arnold schwarzenegger's position here? >> arnold's an interesting case because he does have sort of a larger than life persona on the screen. he's always been sort of above any of the issues in his personal life. but he's always had this stable marriage that he's had. so the question is whether people are going to follow him to his next projects. and in my opinion, i think they probably are. this will probably blow over. and if the work that he does, if the movies are good and if

they're the kind of movies the public wants to see him in, they'll probably come back. >> what are the projects that arnold schwarzenegger's currently considering? >> there's a couple. he's already done something called a governator which is an animated series about a superhero who hides his secret life from his wife. he's got that already done. that will probably be out soon. he's doing this drama called crime macho which starts shooting this summer. and it's really an attempt by him to broaden what his persona on screen is. it's a drama. he plai plays a horse raiser, a horse trainer. he really hopes this will allow people to see him in a different light than sort of the big macho action star which at his age he can't keep playing. then he's also trying to restart the terminator movies. he wants to do another one. there's active development on that. they have the director of the "fast and the furious" movie, latest one, attached to do that one.

that one is up in the air. it's not necessarily certain they'll do another terminator. this comes at a very vulnerable time in his career. >> you know, think the -- the overriding question will be how maria shriver. which seems to suggest to me she's come to terms with it. although it's been an appalling situation for her to discover that she and arnold actually from what i saw appeared to be getting on pretty well despite this all coming out. i think if she continues to not be publicly anti-him then i would imagine his movie career could be perfectly okay, couldn't it? >> yeah. i mean, it's hollywood. it's not politics. it's hollywood. people have a long history of supporting people's public work when their private lives aren't exactly exemplary. if the product is there and the work is good and people want to see it, they're more willing to look beyond the personal stuff. in the case of mel gibson, his

latest movie was "the beaver" which is sort of an odd dramatic move for him and people weren't quite sure what the movie was and they were unwilling to take that risk because, in my opinion, his personal stuff. if arnold does the kind of movies people want to see, then they're going to come back. >> thank you very much. i now want to turn to the case making held lines around the world. the imf chief has a bail hearing in new york tomorrow. currently being held on rikers island. sources say he will post $1 million cash bail. also be placed under 24-hour home detention. joining me now is a defense attorney, roy black, and defense attorney alandershowitz. everything you're hearing tonight of this offer that's come forward from strauss-kahn's attorney, does it seem to be the kind of deal you would expect to be accepted, that he will be released on bail tomorrow? >> well, i would think so. it's pretty reasonable. putting up that amount of money. wearing an ankle bracelet. live new york. having private security be sure

you're there. that's a typical kind of bail package. >> there's obviously huge conjecture from the french that he's in some way either been set up or he's been victimized by the media. that there shouldn't have been these images of him. has he been treated any differently? >> he's treated equally poor that we treat everybody in our criminal justice system. in new york particularly, they love this perp walk. the police have a deal with the tabloids. they'll parade you in front of them with handcuffs on. they keep you up all night. you don't shave. you look horrible. so they have wonderful photographs for the front page of the tabloids every morning. unfortunately, we do that with almost everybody. so of course the french are very outraged to see this violation of privacy because they put a lot of stock in that. >> alan dershowitz, it does some

pretty extraordinary. the journalist in me says great, you know, very happy they do this and we get these great images and we can all feast on them in the media. but in terms of this guy, his reputation, he has an incredibly powerful job, if you take the presumption of innocent till proven guilty, it's pretty unfair, isn't it? >> it's very unfair. it's very deliberate. it's intended to present him as guilty, and as looking predatory in the worst possible light. if he's granted bail, as he should be granted bail tomorrow, he will then be able to appear not in public but appear in photographs looking like he used to look and perhaps presenting himself in a more credible way. i think he will get bail because in addition to everything else, he has waived extradition so that if he were to escape and the united states would seek extradition, we wouldn't run into the roman polanski problem, which is the big problem that faced him originally. because the french would be very

sympathetic to him and probably wouldn't extradite him. now that he's waived extradition, and i read his bail papers tonight, and in his own affidavit he explicitly waives extradition, seems to me there's no real basis for believing he's a flight risk and that's the only criteria which would justify him being held. >> tell me, alan, from all the evidence that you've seen so far, and we haven't seen the whole picture what kind of case are we looking at here do you think? if you were defending him? you defended some pretty lively characters in the past. would you feel confident at this stage of defending this successfully? >> no, i would not feel confident. one never feels confident. at this stage of a case. at the moment, there are many things that the defense should avoid. they should avoid publicly coming out with inconsistent defenses. for example, saying on the one hand, he wasn't there, he was having lunch with his daughter, the time line isn't correct. on the other hand, if he was

there it was consensual. before you express what you think your defense might be, you better know what all the evidence is. what the forensic evidence is. what the testimonial evidence is. the other thing you don't do is try to diminish the value, the worth of the alleged victim in this case, particularly since she's in a very much lower status than the defendant in this case. look the hope of course is kobe bryant. that maybe a deal could be made. maybe a civil settlement can be worked out in advance with the alleged victim. and therefore the pressure on the prosecution to keep the case going would be diminished. i would think that's the best tactic. and wait to of course push that tactic forward is to come out with good defenses. coupled with the lack of enthusiasm that the victim might have for bringing the case. that would be the best approach i think. >> edward black, when you hear what alan dershowitz said there, do you agree with him in terms of the tactics? >> not necessarily.

there's only one defense in this case, and that's consent. look what they claim happen hearse. they claim he's naked in the bathroom. as soon as the maid comes into the room, without even looking at her, he jumps out of the bathroom and supposedly drags her into the bedroom and fores her to have sex. now that doesn't seem particularly logical to me. what i will do, forget about bail right now, i would rent that hotel room, i'd put a forensic team in there, tear it apart inch by inch. i get every piece of clothing my client had. i'm going to photograph his body. every square inch of it. i'm going to put somebody to live in the same apartment building where that woman is. and i want to find out how she hired this high-powered p.i. lawyer who's going to file a civil suit for her. i don't think sitting back helps at all. you got to be aggressive in these cases. >> agree with that completely. of course the police already

have done that. they have cut out a piece of rug, looking for dna. you know, you should always look for all the evidence in the case. but you should anticipate the evidence may not in the end help your client. and, therefore, yes, be aggressive in an investigative way, but don't be aggressive in putting forward a defense which in the end will backfire and hurt your credibility and the credibility of your client. so yes, be active, but be active, consistent with the evidence and the facts in the case. >> alan dershowitz. >> we do cases together. alan's exactly right about that. i guarantee you, the police have overlooked loads of stuff in that suite. you've got to get your hands on that hotel suite. >> i've got to leave it there. it's absolutely fascinating story. twists and turns with every day. and we will doubtless find out more tomorrow. gentlemen, thank you very much. when we come back, the man they call the motor city mad man. ted nugent stops by for a quite extraordinary, dare i say explosive, encounter.

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ted nugent is one opinionated man. he shares some of those opinions in his book, "ted, white and blue, the nugent manmanifesto." >> greetings. >> i'm looking forward to this. >> thanks for having me here, man. >> for probably the wrong reasons, i've been looking forward to this. >> there are no wrong reasons. >> matador -- >> and you're the bull? >> i'm not sure yet. you're confident, are you? >> yeah. you noticed that. >> you think you're going to take me down? >> no, not at all. if you need to be taken down, i shall respond. >> i repd a great line. >> all my lines are great but go ahead. >> you gave an interview on a guy on a bbc show. >> boy, did they need me there. >> you said they sent this young limey prick who pretended to be my friend. he tried to with me on all these political correct levels. i danced on his skull. will you dance on my skull? >> before i gutted him and

danced on his skull, i was so hospitable loving and welcoming him to the nugent tribe that when he tried his little tricks on me and his leftist thing against my hunting and guns for example, how could i not get him? i gutted him with tender loving care and truth and logic. even at the end, he probably went uncle. i'm right and he was wrong. the story of my life. >> you have this completely i don't know irrefutable self-logic that everything you say is right. >> yeah, your point would be what? >> my point would be -- do you ever accept you might be wrong? >> mrs. nujant's here. was there a time -- let's put it this way. i'm 63. i've been clean and sober my whole life. i was raised in a hard-core disciplined environment. to be the best that i can be. and not guess at things but to study evidence. study conditions. be aware of my cause and effect. and make a decision not based on

what felt good or what was comfortable for me but, rather, what lessons of life taught me. so when i put forth what people call an opinion -- you stop me if you disagree with my opinion, i'm sure you will. but i don't project opinions as much as i do share observations of life's realities and the evidence that brings either a quality of life when adhered and learned from or just a destroyed life when ignored and not learned. >> what's your view of america right now? >> my view of america right now is so beautiful i can hardly stand myself. now, that being said, we want to celebrate the good while we scrutinize and put our heart and soul into fixing the bad and ugly. so there's lots of good. americans are still producing and still giving bep have the terrible victims of the floods now in the mississippi. we have the terrible victims of the fires in texas. we have the tragedy of the victims of the tornadoes in the south. you know what i think about america?

unlimited generosity. people traveling thousands of miles to help people they don't even know. that's the glowing unstoppable good -- >> what don't you like about america? >> i don't like about america is what is being celebrated in politics, where instead of being the best that you can be, we seem to be engineering more and more safety nets, which creates, encouraging and rewards an uncaring disconnect. >> what do you mean safety nets? >> well, safety nets. welfare for example. welfare isn't just about helping the needy anymore. welfare is about rewarding people who take advantage of the corruption and the abuse of that condition. that's more wide spread than actual needy people getting help. i don't know how often you shop around this country or how often you hang out with people around this country. but it is not like the president said. the america he doesn't know that people are using food stamps for something other than good

nutrition. you gotta be kidding me! we got a bunch of idiots out there that are absolutely raping and pillaging an otherwise positive humanitarian system. >> one of the problems -- i've studied your work for a while. >> have you? no wonder you glow. you have a certain glow. >> i don't have a problem with people having opinions. even if i don't agree with some of them. my issue with you and the welfare thing is to me it showed no sense of compassion for people who have genuine problems. genuinely need it. your judgment, if you don't mind me saying is all encompassing. all sweeping. you think they're all on the fiddle. >> no, i don't. i don't think, i know, and statistics support once again my sharing with you the statistic, that the abuse, the corruption in that system, is not about helping someone who through no fault of their own fell on hard times, but widespread abuse. >> -- welfare system for x forces for example. >> certainly i've always raved that the most important, the most deserving, are those -- the children who through no fault of their own encounter horrible diseases and conditions and the

heroes the military who literally knowingly went into harm's way to sacrifice their limbs. >> i agree with. i have a brother in the british army -- >> let me put it this way -- >> let me finish my thought on that. i have a brother in the army. >> god bless -- >> that doesn't mean to say they are any less susceptible to being corrupt when it comes to welfare than anybody else, does it? >> no, not at all. in fact, there's a lot of corruption, a lot of waste in even those government programs. inknow a lot of guys. i know a lot of guys. my wife and my family do charitable work for military heroes all the time. i got guys with no legs that went into that war on terror hell storm knowing they would probably come out with no legs or arms. they went anyway because that's the the war yor spirit they have. and they're still waiting for their prosthetics. the special wheelchair. but maybe there's some child rapist in prison who's getting a new liver transplant this week. >> you're very pro the troops. inget that. you yourself, you dodged the

draft. >> i'm glad we're here on "the piers morgan show" to set that straight. >> set the record straight. >> no, did i not dodge the trap. i was 17 and i was a clueless idiot. >> i was quite suave. >> being that as it may, no, i was enrolled in oakland community college. i had a one wide deferment. did i register -- i registered. did i volunteer? no. should i have? yes. >> do you regret that? >> you know, i do regret it on one level. on the most important, fundamental level, is that i have a duty to earn this experiment in we the people self-government. i've spent my time and i've intentionally put myself in harm's way going over to iraq and afghanistan, right into hell zones of unnamed trenches in afghanistan danger zones -- >> is part of that a guilt thing on your part? >> not a guilt thing. it was just the right thing to do.

at some point, you know, let's pretend i was a heroin addict when i was 17. would you bring that up if i'd been clean and sober for 50 years? >> probably, yeah. >> you're such a bastard. i wouldn't. i would say, my god, you haven't done that stupid thing in so long, let's stick with the clean and sober longevity instead of going back and nitpicking of something you obviously overcame. so i was a foolish young man did didn't understand -- how's this, piers, when i graduated -- how old are you? >> i'm 46. >> i know you respect your elders. i'll be 63. if you said, so, mr. nujant, tell me all about communism, i'd go, isn't that where the hippies get together and live? i was clueless. in my american education upbringing, i never heard about communism. so you think i regret not making a decision based on not knowing anything? and i've made up for it since. not through guilt but through the maturity of finally knowing what the right thing to do is. i was a little bit late. i at leetch carry least carried

my own m-16 when i was over there. >> that sounds heroic -- >> no, i wasn't heroic. the guys who were -- >> you had the option. >> i was too young and stupid to know that. >> i see the way you are now with the armed forces. >> how about they call the guy a chicken hawk? i was 17 and 18. why don't you give me a break? that was, what, 50 years ago -- 40-some -- >> lots of 17 and 18-year-olds at the time went to war in vietnam. >> better people than i. better men than i. >> and that's -- come about once more to the motivation for why you now do so much stuff -- >> because i learned that freedom is not free and i found that the reason the whole world sucks and america sucks less is because the u.s. constitution, the bill of rights, outlines an experiment where freedom rules the day of individuality and that can only be secured by crushing those enemies that would take it away. sos that warriors that put

themselves in the face of that evil enemy and anybody who would take away our individual rights and individual freedom, they're the enemy, they need to be killed. i've done so many benefits for so many families of dead heroes of the military. i've held so many kids and mothers crying. i've carried flag-draped coffins home from baghdad. >> -- let me go to a break. -- time again i suspect now that ted nugent you've become, you'd go to vietnam, wouldn't you? >> damn right, i would. >> that would be in your ice the biggest mistake of your life do you think? no, because -- >> -- sacrifice? >> -- none, but you have to be wise enough, knowledgeable enough, to make such a noble decision and i was incapable of both at that age. >> when we come back, i want to talk to you about politic, tea party. >> i love those things. >> president obama, race for the white house. all of it. you ready to roll?

>> you bet.

i was in chicago last week. i was in chicago. i said, hey, obama, you want to suck on one of these, you punk? obama, he's a piece of [ bleep ] and i told him to suck on my machine gun. let's hear it for him.

that end i was in new york. i said, hey, hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless [ bleep ] -- >> did you enjoy that or didn't you? >> i'm amused by your reaction. >> it's hilarious. i'm on a rock and roll stage. i just sung a song about feisty [ bleep ] you ever see richard pryor live? how about sam kinnisen? kenny bruce? >> for a man who is a patriot, purports to love his country, that was quite shocking disrespect to the president. >> let me put it in official cnn -- >> yes. >> my limey friend? >> yes. >> anybody who wants to disarm me can drop dead. anybody who wants to make me unarmed and helpless, people who want to literally create the proven places where more innocents are killed called gun-free zones, we're going to

beat you. we're going to vote you out of office. or suck on my machine gun. take it -- >> much as i'd love to suck on your machine gun, the whole point of your defense is a lot of people do drop dead precisely because you are armed to the teeth -- >> not true at all. >> you'd like everyone else to be. >> break this down -- >> you break this down. 80 people a day die in america from gunshots. >> and 75 of them to 78 of them, statistics by the uniformed crime report by the fbi and the u.n. study on violent crime, 78 of those 80 are let out of their cages by corrupt judges and prosecutors who know the recidivism sim is out of control, know they'll commit the crimes again and they let them walk through plea bargaining, early release -- kiss my ass where you have the most armed citizens in america, you have the lowest violent crime rate. where you have the worst gun control, you have the highest crime rate. piers, choose one. do you want a lot of crime? we have it. gun-free zones.

do you want less crime? we have that. more people with concealed weapons permits. why do you guys resist that sta tastic? >> well, don't say you guys. >> you guys, unless you're playing the devil's advocate. >> i can play any advocate i like. >> you're playing the idiot's advocate here. more guns equal less crime, period. >> this time -- kiss your ass at this point, if you don't mind. unless i'm wrong with your argument, you're basically saying that 90% of the gun crime comes from people let out of prison gsh. >> it's 96% but go ahead. >> but they still have to get access to firearms. if you had your way, there would be ten times as many firearms, right? >> not at all. >> what is your position? >> i hope you don't edit this out. whenever i've done interviews with guys that are inclined to be anti-gun. nugent wants everybody to have a machine gun. nugent wants all the deer dead.

>> what do you want? >> not even close. what i want is the second amendment. we the people, free individuals, to have the right to keep and bear arms for self-defense. find fault with that. >> i can find lots of fault with that. >> name one. i'll write -- >> you end up with what happened to gabby giffords in tucson. >> that guy had gone through the cracks of the mental health system. >> how can he be allowed to get a gun? >> because he fell through the cracks. he didn't qualify to get a gun. >> he fell through the cracks? >> the cracks of the mental health system. everybody knew. his family was afraid of this guy. but they didn't report it. nobody reacted to it. >> when you see a guy like that, get open access to firearms, because the constitution that you subscribe so -- adhere to so much. >> how would you fix that? >> i would make it a lot harder for people like him to ever get near a firearm. that's my argument with the gun lobby. it's always very, very aggressive.

even as you just exploded with me, it's always a violent debate. it's always like, i want the right to shoot anyone who comes near me who's threatening me. it's always about that. this guy was unstable. but was able to go and get a firearm because they are freely available in this country. that's where i have a problem with that. >> were you born in england? >> i was born in england. >> are you familiar with ireland? >> i am. >> is maltov cocktails and c-4 explosives, are those legal in belfast? >> they're terrorists. >> are those items legal in belfast? didn't live in bell fwaft. >> i'll educate you. they're banned in bell fast. they're forbidden in belfast. you think anybody had a hard time getting them? if you want -- new york city it took 15 minutes for me to get a sub machine gun in new york city from some paroled crack dealer. >> would yowl allow guns to be freely available? >> not at all. >> what's the difference in the argument? >> because guns are 100% about reducing the level of your responsibility, getting high,

disconnecting, and i'm a cop, have been a cop for 35 year, i conduct federal raids heroes of law enforcement in texas. in every instance where there's violence, somebody's high on something. they do it with buicks and bricks and fire and chain saws and pipes. >> what about the guy that shot gabby giffords wasn't high. >> no, but he was mentally deranged. >> my point about the thread of your argument is -- there's a difference. you're saying guns should be made freely available. >> well, no, there needs to be restrictions. >> let me put something to you. if you think it's wrong, tell me. they should be made available with some restrictions but not many from the gun lobby arguments i've read. >> which i've -- >> if you made them available, they'd all be available anyway. with drugs, you say make them available. even though you know and i know that drives them underground and probably more people get access to them. what's the difference? >> i don't know why you guys don't study the information or just resist it.

i think you're resisting it. in america, where you have more citizens with guns on their person, you have a dramatic reduction in violent crime. in those areas called gun-free zones, you have a outrageous increase in the loss of innocent lives. that's the choice. which one would you make? and in america legally owned guns are used millions of times a year to save innocent lives. you certainly don't believe in calling 911 to stop evil in your home, do you? you don't believe that being unarmed and helpless is a desirable condition? you think unarmed and helpless is something you can control over me? that's weird. >> well you're putting a lot of words into my mouth. what i do believe is where you dramatically increase the prevalence of guns, more people will die from guns, and you don't believe that. >> not only do i -- the fbi

doesn't believe it. the fbi recent report, in those jurisdictions where more people have concealed weapons permits. means a gun in their belt. in those jurisdictions, you have not only a dramatic decrease in violent crime but a personal assault-type crimes, car jacking, rape, home invasions. they don't just go down, piers, they go away. noum that you know that, why won't you help me create more safe areas? >> when we come back, we'll talk about what we're supposed to be talking about, which is president obama. >> i'm with you.

there are bigger fish to fry than white tailed deer right now. the fried fish are the corrupt power-abusing monsters that have weaseled their way into our lives and that control our paychecks and decide to take money from the people who worked so hard and give it to idiots. >> that was -- >> i like that cowboy hat. >> i like the hat too. sarah palin rally. from what i can read, she's the only one you have any time for in the gop, right? >> well -- >> pretty much. >> i had the greatest governor in the world. my governor shoots coyotes, what does yours do? >> let me show you a few pictures. go through the gop candidates. >> well-groomed young man.

>> romney. your thoughts? >> a good man. opportunity in great enough. >> too good for you? >> you know, when did mr. rodgers open up the school of articulation? this guy needs to grow some nut independence guy doesn't have any passion. we need to get somebody with some feisty attitude. we're in a terrible condition right now. we don't need to be very careful about our articulation. >> here's a guy with passion. >> he does have some passion. >> and he's got nuts. >> and he does have some nuts. and i admire that. i don't think he's presidential. >> did you agree with him about the birther issue? >> you know, i agree that we should be be able to demand evidence. and i, like he, and many others, i have not seen the official document. and i think we, the people, should be able to demand of our -- >> have you seen sarah palin >> i have not seen -- she's not president. >> why aren't you demanding to see hers? >> if she runs for president, i would. >> some people say the only reason people wanted to see obama's is because he's

african-american. >> and isn't that offensive? that they have to reduce it to a race issue? that is the most evil, rotten, soulless condition in america. that as soon as you disagree with someone of a different color, that the racist accusations fly. >> and you believe -- >> that is soulless and wrong. >> fine. have you ever asked to see the birth certificate of any other president or presidential candidate? >> no, i haven't. >> why not? >> i was never active enough in politics -- >> why -- >> -- are you an american citizen now? >> not yet. >> well, i'll help you. >> british citizen. >> just hanging out with me is a feather in your cap. >> probably putting me -- >> somebody bring him a gun. what we need to do in this country is do what the tea party is doing. get our helds out of our ass and get involved. this experiment in self-government demands that we all participate. now we're getting more involved. but i would like to believe that there is a legislature. that there are senators and

congressmen that would make sure the guy, the president, qualifies! i didn't think guitar players had to check this guy out. >> ted, ted -- >> -- many of us wanted to ask that question. >> fine. if you're so determined -- >> i'm determined. >> -- to get these questions answered, when are you going to ask for sarah palin's birth certificate? >> the minute she runs for president. >> you will? >> absolutely. i would say at this point in time, we have now established, we need so see proof you're qualified. >> you would like to see every candidate -- >> i think we need to -- >> either that or -- >> create a panel, a government panel that hopefully we can trust -- wait a minute, never mind, yeah, i would want to see it. >> are you an american? were you born here? >> hopelessly, yes. >> i had a feeling you probably were. >> good feeling. you have some instincts. are you a predator? >> newt gingrich? >> probably the smartest guy out there. and when he speaks, he speaks for me. >> would you vote for him? >> right now, yes. >> interesting. tim pawlenty.

>> a great man. did great things up there in minnesota. am i right, minnesota? great machine. when he speaks, he speaks logic. he speaks constitution, bill of rights. i like that. >> why are you such a big fan of sarah palin? >> because it's the quintessential american politics. housewife, mother. alaska. taking care of homes. saw some politics that she didn't -- didn't think was right. started asking questions. found out her hunches were right. there was corruption. there was misdirection in the local government of i believe wasilla, alaska trappers creek, where i bear hunt. she voiced concerns that was supported by a majority of her neighbors. america, we the people, politic personified. she became governor with the support of the majority. a housewife, mayor, governor.

and then brought in -- i never even heard of her until my buddy john wanted her to be the vice presidential candidate. i did some research. i went, no wonder i like alaska so much. they had an ass-kicker in there. getting rid of wasteful taxes. demanding accountability. inadmire sarah palin ann cross the board. great woman. perfect american. >> other than that, you're quite keen, eh? >> other than that what? >> quite keen on that? >> yes. >> i need a break after that quite nauseating tribute. >> take a break, piers. i'll be right here if you need me. when we come back --

there are all kinds of different people in the world. that's what makes the world special. so whether someone is different than you. >> in race. >> ethnicity. >> political beliefs. >> religion. >> or sexual orientation. words can be hurtful. replace them with understanding, compassion, and acceptance. let's make this a better world for all of us. >> because we're all in this together. >> amen. i like that. we're all in this together. >> kobe bryant was fined $100,000 for using a gay slur during a lakers game. and ted, you wrote a piece afterwards. and i'm going to read what you said here. you said the homosexuals are the most protected class of people in america. and you said, and i quote, "the nba should hold homosexual night and during halftime the homosexuals could come down on the court, hold hands, and prance around the court to music by the village people." you also said that homosexuality was morally wrong.

>> piers, you have a problem with that? >> the old clap trap, isn't it? >> is that like clapton trap? no, let's put it this way. if you're gay, have a nice day. i could give a rat's ass. >> are you homophobic? >> not at all. >> would you be happy if one of your -- >> i'm heterophiliac. >> what's a heterophiliac? >> that means i'm hopelessly addicted to women. woman. >> if one of your children came home and said dad, i'm gay, how would you react to that? >> i'd say get the gun, let's go kill a deer. inconsequential. >> you wouldn't mind morally? >> not at all. i am repulsed at the concept of man-on-man sex. i think it's against nature. i think it's strange as hell. but if that's what you are, i love you. >> do you believe it's morally wrong? you have suggested that before. >> you know, i'm not going to judge another's morals. >> you judge people all the

time. >> yeah. sometimes you have to. i have to judge my bass player. that's why i've got the greatest bass player in the world. no. i say live and let live. like i said, gay, go nuts. martians, cool. i really don't care. >> if one of your kids for argument's sake came back and said look, dad -- >> i wish you could meet all my kids. >> i'd love to. i'm sure they'd be very entertaining. if they came back and said right, dad, i've got some bad news, i'm gay, i'm a vegan, i don't believe in hunting, i don't believe in firearms -- >> go nuts. >> happy? >> absolutely happy. >> welcoming? >> ultimately -- >> family values guy, in you come? >> ultimately, all that stuff is inconsequential for the spirit of an individual. i have friends that are vegan and we love each other. i have friends that are gay. i have friends that hate guns. >> but it's a quaint old thing that if there aren't any guns no one gets shot. >> and if there isn't any water everyone -- tell you, what you work on the guns and i'll work

on the water so no one drowns anymore. i'll see you at noon. it's impossible. >> if there is no water nobody does drown. you're right. >> then let's ban water. >> no sunshine -- >> bridge over -- get lost. you're weird. that's impossible. you can't ban water. and you can't ban guns. can't do it. >> why would you ban water? >> to stop the drownings. we want the poor fat children to float. >> now you're just being facetious. >> no, i'm being absolutely -- if you can ban guns, i'll ban water. if you can get rid of guns, i'll get rid of water. >> i don't necessarily want to ban guns. >> impossible. >> what i don't like is the kind of violent rhetoric of the gun lobby to say their way is the only way and actually all these -- >> well, let me put it this way, really loving. my way is the only way. how gentle was that? my way is about i as a free man have the right to defend myself and i've got to tell you, i'm scared to death of people like you who might tell me i'm not allowed to defend myself. because write this down. i am allowed to defend myself. >> i didn't say you couldn't.

what do you think makes a proper american? >> a proper american? >> yeah. >> start with a positive spirit. really a herculean work ethic. not just a work equity ig but one that drives -- if you met all my family and all my friends, my band, my team, my management, everybody, they get up early. they kick ass all day long. they cover every detail, they wallpaper, carpet bomb, ge the job done, and then boom, we go to bed late at night and we get up and start over again. that is the quintessential american. knowing that by effort and by dedication and focus and the drive for excellence that the rewards will come your way according to your dedication. that's the american dream. >> i like passionate people. >> i'm a passionate -- >> so i reserve my right to disagree with you for a few things, but i like the passion with which you argue your case. >> especially when the passion is founded on such positive forces. i just want to play killer rock and roll. it's perfect. i just want to go hunting and balance the herbivores. >> why don't we end on a moment of accord? that way you play a little rock and roll.

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