tv Sanjay Gupta MD CNN June 5, 2011 4:30am-5:00am PDT
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and t has sparked a debate on the hidden culture of sexism in france. i'll be back with you at the top of the hour on "cnn sunday morning." now time for me to head it over to the good doctor. hello and welcome. i'm dr. sanjay gupta, reporting from downtown atlanta, from centennial park in downtown atlanta, surrounded by what is the largest piece of community folk art anywhere in the world. it's the aids memorial quilt. 200 x 200 feet roughly, just a small fraction of it. the last time the entire quilt was on display was back in 1996. you know, we don't see the whole quilt that much anymore. for many people, they're led to believe that the aids epidemic is starting to vanish. that isn't the case. june 1981, a set of case reports from the centers for disease control and prevention. five men in los angeles with a rare type of pneumonia. their immune systems ruined. they "did not know each other and had no known contacts." eventually, all five died.
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since then, more than 25 million people have died of hiv/aids around the world and 33 million people right now are living with this disease. 1 million of them here in this country. one of those men is cleve jones. in many ways he is responsible for this quilt that you see behind me. we're going to be talking to him later in the show. we'll also talk to sharon stone, a celebrity activist who for more than 16 years has become a face and champion for aids research. let's get started. of course, a lot has changed in 30 years. we now know what causes this disease and we do have medicines to treat it, up to a point. but as people have told me over and over again, don't be fooled. it is 2011, but here at the epicenter of this epidemic in atlanta, in many ways it still feels almost like 1981.
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for the last 18 years, angel vucetic has walked through these doors at the ponce de leon clinic in atlanta. it's the aids clinic. >> this building is more like a day hospital. we have five main clinics nine subspecialty clinics, all the aids services organizations are on site here for support. >> reporter: it started as a small infectious disease clinic on the grounds of grady memorial hospital 25 years ago. when angel was charged with crafting a response to the growing aids epidemic. >> we were operating seven days a week, 12 hours a day with a 100% terminal population. >> reporter: every patient you took care of died. >> every patient died. >> reporter: what was that like emotional for you? >> the fact that these folks are dying does not scare me. the thing that was a challenge was i was told i wouldn't get anyone to work with me. >> reporter: because at that time doctors still didn't know how the disease was spreading. there was a lot of fear. what about other doctors or
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other nurses in the hospital? how did they treat you? >> i was the aids nurse. most of them didn't. >> reporter: so they wouldn't be around you? >> it was a pretty lonely existence. >> reporter: today they have over 5,200 patients, all in advanced stages of the disease. so what is this area where we're standing? >> well, this is treatment and holding. we do infusions through here. our big piece that's tremendously growing are aids-related malignancies. >> reporter: this is the infusion center. they see about 300 patients a month. about 60 of those will need hospitalization. she says for the last decade the face of aids at the clinic has shifted dramatically from white gay to young gay african-american men. >> that are coming in here with advanced disease and "t" cells less than 25. they have all of these infections that a lot of the medical community in the united states as well as the population just believes aids is all over in africa. and we're sitting in an endemic here in the southeast that to me looks exactly like 1989.
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>> reporter: that was the year frederick harris was diagnosed. >> i thought my life was over. you know, because at the time i was a drug user also, and just felt -- because back then they didn't really give you much time with it. >> reporter: the 49-year-old is heterosexual. he and his ex-wife, who is also positive, have a 16-year-old daughter. she's negative. harris used to take 20 pills a day. now he takes four and he gets regular three-month checkups at ponce. what is it about this place, this particular clinic, that's so important for someone like you? >> the nurses and the doctors really seem concerned. they have a lot of programs to help you, you know, with food and housing and all kinds of things. so, you know, this place gives you practically everything that you'll need. >> reporter: angel calls it a medical home. one-stop shopping. her days are filled with rounds and patient care.
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what is the biggest change since '81 when we first diagnosed this disease in this country? >> the biggest change is this is not an illness that should cause someone to die. >> reporter: harry is a 36-year-old gay man with full-blown aids. he doesn't want his identity revealed because he hasn't told his family. he was diagnosed three years ago at grady. his "t" cell count was 120. >> i was kind of scared, well, people will see me in a whole different light now that i'm positive, but i had to get my personal feelings out of the way because i knew i needed the help. >> reporter: harry has a number of health problems, so for him the clinic has been a lifeline. >> it makes me feel good that i can open up and talk to my doctor about stuff going on in my life and he's able to offer not only medicine but advice and give comfort. >> reporter: what is the hardest part of this job for you? >> there are 20-year-olds coming in here with advanced end stage disease. that's a bit despairing when i know that just shouldn't have to happen. >> reporter: but it is happening. on five floors of this atlanta clinic.
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angel has witnessed 25 years of suffering, of death, of dying. it's taken its toll. although she hasn't given up hope, she says she doesn't see an end in sight. how long will you do this job? >> i don't know. i'm not certain about that. >> reporter: for now, she's committed to training the next generation of nurses. you are looking at the aids memorial quilt, panels coming from all over the world, made exclusively by the mourners of people lost to hiv/aids. so many commemorations here. it's tough to think about this, but they are 6 x 3 feet in size. the reason for that is because that's the average size of a grave. this particular panel dedicated to rock hudson, a commemoration for him. panels like this, again, i said all over the world in different languages. the man who really came up with this idea for the aids quilt, a man by the name of cleve
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i hope to be the best person that i can be, and i don't know, i just hope to have a good life. >> reporter: that is the panel for ryan white, as you just saw there. everything you just saw was from the 1980s. welcome back to "sgmd." remember the game trivial pursuit? according to the 1980s edition, 1988, 60% of americans considered aids to be the number one problem facing america. think about that, the number one problem facing america back in 1988. at that time a man named cleve jones was living in san francisco, he was watching his friends die one by one. it was then he came up with the idea for this quilt. he left san francisco shortly after that. it just all became too painful
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for him. but he returned to the city he loved in the fall of 2010. >> welcome to san francisco. enjoy your stay. >> thank you. >> great to meet you. it's an honor, actually. >> thank you. >> reporter: on the streets of san francisco, cleve jones is often treated like a celebrity. but 30 years ago on these same streets, in the city's castro district, jones and other gay men were living with the nightmare of a new disease that had no name. >> by 1985, almost everybody i knew was dead or dying. we lost 20,000 people in this town. >> reporter: this deadly disease finally got a name, human immune immu immuneo deficiency virus, hiv, the virus that causes aids. long before the days of any lifesaving drug cocktails. for victims of this disease, chances of survival, slim. >> we cried every day for ten years in this neighborhood. we buried loved ones every week in this neighborhood. >> reporter: cleve was determined to bring attention to
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what was happening. in 1983, he co-founded the san francisco aids foundation. four years later, he stitched the first panel of the aids quilt in this very building. that panel was for his best friend, marvin feldman. >> we wanted to reveal the humanity behind the statistics. we wanted to show that every single one of these people mattered. >> reporter: in 1985, he was diagnosed with hiv. eight years later, he had full-blown aids. >> i was very sick for a long time, and i did not think that i would live. we've got a meeting at 4:30. >> reporter: but he survived with the help of antiretro viral drugs he's been on for 17 years. he says he's doing fine and still an activist, currently fighting for the rights of san francisco housekeepers. but he cannot forget how the hiv struggle changed him profoundly. >> we went through hell here, and it was a hell that lasted a very long time, took from us
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some of our best and brightest people. but we endured and we continue. i'm very proud to be part of that. >> next up we're talking to sharon stone, obviously a well-known actress but also a champion and activisactivist, for more than 16 years for aids research. we'll sit down and talk to her one-on-one, a fascinating discussion. part of my job as a diabetes educator
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hollywood was slow to acknowledge the aids epidemic. then elizabeth taylor started speaking out after her close friend rock hudson died of the disease. and now there's sharon stone. >> she kills him. >> reporter: there are some movie moments that are just unforgettable. >> there's no smoking in this building. >> what are you going to do, charge me with smoking? >> sharon stone hit the spotlight with this one, "basic instinct." >> today she's putting the spotlight on aids. she says her commitment to the fight was inspired by the death of her friend and acting coach roy london, who died of aids in 1993. over the past 16 years, stone has traveled the globe speaking out, and she's helped raise millions of dollars for the american foundation for aids research. when you started, it was a three-year term. >> right. >> you said i'm going to be involved until there's an aids vaccine. >> it started with one evening when elizabeth taylor wouldn't come. after the evening, which i was
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terrified to fill elizabeth's gigantic high heels, they said, could i do three years. and i was freaked out, and i did three years. and in three years i just thought, i didn't get this done in three years. how could i not get this done in three years? and then suddenly i'm in the 16th year of three years. >> aids vaccine was something that you talked about, though, in terms of a benchmark of success. >> that i really, really wanted to get to. so we're -- you know, we're human testing. you know, we're trying. what's happened in the meantime is we have come up with great, great medication. people are living longer and hopeful lives. >> did you have a chance to talk to elizabeth taylor about this? i mean not that message specifically. >> oh, gosh yeah. >> what was that like? was she a role model for you in terms of this mission? >> yes. she gave so much of herself. she was so brave and so illuminating and so courageous and so thoughtful and so
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compassionate and had such great spiritual elegance and such dignity and was such a force. >> you know, you think about the stickers about hiv/aids, you heard about races, you know, people raising awareness about this. those things seem to have disappeared in a lot of places. you don't hear about it as much. i always thought it was because in some ways people think, there's good medications for this now, if i get infected, i will take the drugs. >> i think many things happened. i think a lot of it was just a don't talk about sexuality, was taken out of our awareness. and i think it's important to have a mature, thoughtful conversation about this. it's important to have sexual education that keeps us safe, that -- i don't -- i'm not advocating youthful sexuality at all. but i do think that young people should be very aware what is means so that you can say yes or
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no thoughtfully and protect yourself appropriately. >> you know, this is hard as a parent more so than a doctor. i have three daughters and they are young. they're 5, 4 and 2, they're very young. what age do you think this conversation begins. presumably too young for my daughters but what do you think? >> i think certainly as young people become aware of themselves sexually at all, as they learn about their sexual y sexuality, as they learn about their reproduction, they should learn about this just as common sense facts. >> in talking about hiv and the way they learn. >> they should learn about safe sex. >> your mother kept a drawer full of condoms? >> yes, by the back door. >> she did not have a conversation in. >> my parents did not have the thoughtful sexual conversation. we didn't know, i didn't know
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anything and i wish that someone had had that conversation with me because i was very my enaive. >> june 5th in this country was around the first time. it's been 30 years, i have stats, 600,000 people have died over that time, sharon, 1 million people or so right now living with hiv/aids. >> 1.1 million in the united states but 33 million people worldwide. >> around the world. 30 years after it was diagnosised in this country, when you hear the numbers, what do you think? >> i think that it's a question of not understanding and loving the person next to you. it's separating a person because they're different from you. so interesting now is it's the gay community that is raising the money and it's the gay community that is turning this around. so these women and these children will be saved by the people that were ostracized in the beginning. >> that is interesting. when you talk about this sense
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of community, you know, loving your neighbor, is that what it's going to take? you talked about the fact that we need a vaccine. you're not going to leave amfar until we have a vaccine, you're talking about a cultural change. >> i think we are all starting to understand that we are a world culture. we're not going to do anything without everyone. we have to have, understand that we're all in it together. we have to, all the women have to get together to make this happen, all races have to get together to make this world work. >> if you had some time with the president now, sounds like awe prove so far the policy toward hiv. what would you tell president obama if we had some time? >> that we have 30 children dying every hour. that half of our people dying of aids are women, that we need to really make people aware that hiv can be transferred man to woman, and we need people to
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really understand that. we need young ladies to understand that, you know, they can get aids if they're not protected. they have to demand to be protected with safe sex. >> sharon stone, she's the global chair for the american foundation for aids research, fascinating discussion. do you remember the term aids babies? something we used to hear about quite a bit. many of those babies have now grown up and some of them are starting families on their own. stay with us. for events to come. well somewhere along the way, emily went right on living. but you see, with the help of her raymond james financial advisor, she had planned for every eventuality. which meant she continued to have the means to live on... even at the ripe old age of 187. life well planned. see what a raymond james advisor can do for you.
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a democrat. it's about the future for each and everyone of us. >> elizabeth glazer was infected with hiv after a blood transfusion and unknowingly passed the virus on to her two children. she and her daughter aerial died from complications from aids but her son jake is alive and doing well. about 1 million people living in the united states have hiv/aids and about one-fifth of them don't know they have it. it's all the more tragic if one of those people is a pregnant woman. she has about a 25% of passing on the virus to her child. just like what happened with elizabeth glazer. and also what happened with lolisa gibson who became infected from her mother. when she decided to have children of her own she was determined to not let that happen again. she didn't always want to be a mother. >> i wasn't ready for a baby. i was too busy focusing on my
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career and focusing on changing the world. >> reporter: changing the world by teaching people about hiv. you see, at age 17 she learned she had aids. she was watching television when her doctor broke the news to her by phone. >> the tv went black. everything else went black, like nothing else mattered. now it was like, wow. i'm going to die. already lolisa hadn't done drugs. she had had sex but used a condom. what she didn't know was that her mother was hiv positive and had passed the virus on to her at birth or through her breast milk. she and her mother are now both on medication and in good health. when lolisa met darryl hunt she told him she had hiv and she insisted on safe sex. but one night the condoms failed and to her surprise, lolisa got pregnant. but unlike her mother, she knew she could protect her unborn child. >> i think that the vast
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majority of infections from mother to child are preventable. there's no reason that an hiv infected woman who even though they've had the virus since birth that they can dmot have a child. >> reporter: lolisa stuck with her antiviral medication and was tested regularly. after little darryl was born he took the antiviral medicine as well. it worked. he's hiv-free, as healthy as any little boy you might find. lolisa wants to be a role model. >> we try to get involved in as many things as we can together just so show people. because again, there wasn't anyone like that that i could see when i first found out. just to show people that you can still find love and happiness or have a family. do whatever you want with hiv. >> reporter: lolisa also shows us the progress that's been made and some of the goals of elizabeth glazer realized. it's been 30 years since this
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