they're not just singing songs about love and falling in and out of love. they're making songs that make a difference. they're young guys but they're mature. they want to become not just musicians but change the way people see each other fairy tales don't always end happily ever after. just ask sarah ferguson. the dutchess of york had it all, the handsome prince, the perfect wedding, the glamorous life in the royal family and two beautiful daughters. then it all came crashing down. a nightmare of scandal, divorce and yet more scandal. all of it playing out for all of the world to see. >> i feel so totally ashamed, and i feel as though i'm so out of control.

>> i've known the dutchess for more than 20 years. tonight you're going to meet the real sarah ferguson. >> it still is a fairy tale because it just has a very modern, different ending. >> my primetime exclusive with the dutchess of york. this is "piers morgan tonight." sarah ferguson tells a story in the new book "finding sarah" which comes out june 28th and a series premiering this sunday at 9:00 eastern on the own network. sarah, the dutchess of york, joins me now. i don't know whether to call you sarah or the dutchess to me. to me, you are fergie. >> at last, someone remembers good ole fergie. on my wedding day, i think there were more people walking their dogs calling their dogs fergie. i remember walking through the park and everyone going fergie. >> i love fergie, it's a great name. >> well, the black eyed peas when she said she tried to copyright fergie. i rang her up and said you're trying to copyright fergie. you've got an album called the dutchess.

excuse me, give me something. >> did you really? >> i did. and she said, oh, hello. i said i tell you what, you know, come and sing for my charity and she did. >> did she? >> she came and sang for the sarah ferguson foundation. >> that is amazing. >> we raised a lot of money for building schools. and she said, my mum was a teacher or is a teacher. and so she loved doing it. she's very kind. >> but i've known you over 20 years, in good times and bad. both probably in equal measure. we've had some great nights out together. i know you, i think, pretty well. we've always got on well. >> you're very kind with your text as well. you said some great text. >> you've been through the mincer. but i've always felt that you've always had a good heart. you've always meant well. and also the bruising experience of being married into the royal family should never be underestimated. i wanted to start with this interview by taking you back to just before you get into that maelstrom.

what you were like then. the book is fascinating, called "finding sarah." what was sarah like before the royal experience began? >> well, i actually was thinking before i came on this show that actually sarah is the same sitting here as she was then, she just made a few road changes and changed course a few times. and i think sarah before she got married was head girl but i think that was probably because i chatted everyone up. i was great fun and dr. phil says i'm a people pleaser and addict to that. looking back at the times of school, i just had fun. mum always used to say can't you take anything seriously, even my confirmation. i just enjoyed life to the full. i really believed in everything. i wanted to be an olympic show jumper. and then i went and found my wonderful prince. and sure enough when he came into my life, he came into my life when i was 12 years old at the jubilee at windsor park.

>> that's when you first met him? >> yes. there's a picture of him and i together then. >> do you remember that moment? >> yes, very well. and i said i'm going to marry him. i was 12. >> so you have this wonderful dream, the great fairy tale of marrying the handsome, great british prince. >> he's a great man. >> and he stood by you i think through thick and thin pretty remarkably over the years. when you first started actually dating him, did you have any comprehension of what you were getting yourself into? >> well, piers, i think the word "dating" is kind of interesting. when you date a prince back in those long years ago, 26 years ago, it's not -- you can't go on a date. you can now, it's much easier. before it wasn't like that. we had about three dinners one weekend, engaged and married. >> as fast as that? >> as fast as that. we were -- we knew instantly that it was just like -- it really was the lightning rod. he's such a great, fantastic man. he really is the epitome of an english gentleman. very gentle, very strong and

believes steadfastly in that love, as you've seen his support of me through thick and thin. >> you had this amazing wedding. the whole country, the whole world watched. >> yes. >> it followed diana and charles's wedding. it was a huge royal ferver sweeping the globe and you were the next couple on the balcony. it was a fabulous day. >> it was a good kiss. >> better than diana and charles really. >> i haven't really studied theirs, but i was quite into mine. >> yours was quite passionate, i thought. >> yes. we married for total love. when i went up that aisle, i had -- i married my man. i also married a sailor. and i got a prince. but my man was the most important thing for me, piers, because nothing was more important than him. >> when you were on the balcony, i mean very few people outside of the royal family have ever experienced that moment where you look out and there's a million people and you know there's probably a billion

watching around the world on television, what was that moment like? >> let me go back in time. you are taken with such a wave of energy, that it is just mesmeric, it is just extraordinary. you're so in love anyway, it's your wedding day. like every bride's wedding day, it's a special day. and you've got a beautiful dress on. but you're standing there with the man you love. and then there are people out there who are wishing you so well. and it's just extraordinary. it's just unfathomable. you can't explain it. and then when we got into the carriage to leave and my father did the most wonderful thing, he walked out of the palace and stood alone holding his son's little hand on the pavement. as the carriage went round, he just waved and said goodbye, you know, it was just so moving. >> do you think he knew what he was saying goodbye to? do you think he knew what you were going to be immersed in? >> he had a much better idea

than i did, i think. he has been -- was in it all his life, you know, working with the prince of wales for 38 years. and he sort of knew. i think if anyone had said to me do you understand for the rest of your life this is what you're expected to do, i would have still said yes, because i loved my man. and i'm red headed and passionate and fiesty. >> putting prince andrew to one side, do you ever wonder what your life would have been like if you just met an ordinary guy who wasn't a royal or wasn't famous and could have had just a very nice anonymous life? >> you know, dr. phil said, sarah, why don't you go and live in australia with your sister and go quiet. i don't think i'm that sort of person. i think i'm just i'm always wanting to do more. i want to use my life. i want to -- especially now that i've changed this course of health and wellness and getting creative and really using it the right way.

it's pretty exciting. so i don't think i would have ever gone to live there, no. >> how long was the fairy tale a fairy tale? after you got married. >> well, it still is a fairy tale, because it just has a very modern, different ending, you know. and drew and i honor and respect each other. when i arrive in england, he gives me a room to stay in and the two girls are a fantastic example of co-parenting. andrew and i believe very strongly in that. >> your daughters are fantastic. >> yeah. >> we had dinner, all of us the other day. i thought they were just so elegant, charming, polite, beautifully brought up. i saw parts of both you and prince andrew in them. but a real credit to both of you. >> thank you. >> in terms of parenting. and i loved the thing at the recent royal wedding where your daughter wears this hat that everyone, as they always do, they did with you and others, they pile in, they love it, they hate it an so on. she responded in pure ferguson

style, i think. i'm going to auction this on ebay. >> do you know what i love about beatrice, red-headed, 8-8-88. arrived at 18 minutes past 8. but she knows, she just does it, she knows. she just said, mom, i'm going to ebay the hat, what do you think? i said great. $130,000 later, unicef and children in crisis. >> do you think they learned from what they saw you go through how to play negative media perhaps a little better than you were able to because they saw the way to do it well and the way maybe not to do it so well. >> piers, you know what's so great is they have got a great role model of mistakes to follow. so as mom goes along, they go well, we'll do it slightly different. so if i've done them a favor, i'm really glad. they can learn by my mistakes.

i must admit that eugenie is very strong and very creative. but she's got 12 inch metal rods down her back with scoliosis so she's very strongly going to get out and help young people having to go through that operation. so together, they seem to have their feet on the ground, strong and confident, knowing what they want to do. >> they also had to be through very similar stuff in terms of lots of sniping about their physical appearance when they were younger. very, very hard for young teenage girls to be ridiculed for how they look in a bikini as they were and so on. now they have developed into these fabulous swans. i mean you must be very proud of the way that they didn't wilt under all that negative tee. >> i think it has to do with good parenting and good guidance and that solidarity of me always be there for them and being steadfast and never that feeling of abandonment.

i think that's what i learned from my mom. i'm very grateful to her but because she went to live in argentina, i knew what i meanted to do as a mother to my children. >> the interesting thing with both you and diana, you both had this thing with your mothers leaving. >> yeah, yeah, that's right. >> when you were both very young. i always think especially for a girl, incredibly difficult when their mother just disappears and leaves you behind. that sense of abandonment. it must -- i spoke to her about it and she shared that sense that it is a sense of abandonment and you wonder why your mother has done that. >> i think frances was a very good mother to diana and mum was a great mum to me, we just -- it was a different era. you can't imagine that now. but in those times, and we're talking many years ago. they really didn't know any better, they just sort of -- that's what they did. i don't judge my mum in any way, shape or form. but looking back i know what i don't want to do. maybe that's exactly the example

you're talking about. they know what my mum did and i'm not going to do what my mum did, following into the mistakes. >> clarify for me what you said about your mother. you sort of implied it was a form of mental abuse, and your sister came out and said, well, i don't remember it being like that. she didn't deny what happened, it was your memory, not hers. clarify for me. >> what it is, is that dad used to say, oh, go upstairs you teenager. he didn't know that he was being offensive because he thought he was being funny but he's the most wonderful man. i wouldn't have a word said against him. and my mother, she always said that she was going in the pram up to the sweet shop. oh, sarah comes from the postman because i had very tight red curls, big blue eyes and i didn't look anything like mum. but it was a joke. she didn't mean it. that's what i said to dr. phil.

also about she's got red hair and a temper. i'm going to beat the devil out of her. no, that is not exactly -- that is just mum and dad in the way they brought us up. >> it was banter. >> and i said to dr. phil that's what happened. and he said that's not all right. i said why isn't it all right. >> i think it's more of a -- it's a cultural thing. i think a brit would listen to that and laugh. americans take these things quite personally. they would think you can't speak to your daughter that way. >> that's exactly why my sister goes -- she says, oh, no, i remember that. because it wasn't really anything at all. but in america it's really seriously, probably the big problem for me. >> i want to take a break and come back and talk to you about the tabloid press, the good and bad, how they built you into the biggest star in the world and then began to chip away at you. >> i'm ready. host: could switching to geico really save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance?

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i said, okay, well, beatrice is fine, she's eight weeks old and she's got a nanny and she's perfectly healthy and she's, you know -- she's on bottles now. i want to see my husband. and i went to australia to find him. that's when the press turned on me. that's when they said i was a bad mother. bad fergie sold papers. >> an actual moment there from your series "finding sarah." i remember all that. i'm from the british newspaper, became an editor of two of the big papers. >> that was one of your -- >> no, it wasn't. i wasn't an editor then. i wasn't involved in reporting on that part but i remember it clearly because it was the moment when you could feel the mood towards you suddenly turn. you were portrayed as a bad mother. and yesterday when you actually studied the facts, that you saw andrew for 40 days in the first year of your marriage because of is naval career, any woman would understand why you were

desperate to be with your husband. it wasn't like you were abandoning the children, you were coming back in a week or so. but that experience, when it turned, what was that like for you? >> well, i think that i believed the good press for the two years before then, so i was believing my own press, which is the most dangerous thing you can do, isn't it, because now i know. so i believed that i was doing well and everybody loved me and playing right into the people pleaser. and when it turned, so it turned on me and i turned on myself so badly that i went into self destruct, because, oh, my gosh, the press are writing this. i remember very clearly coming to your lovely lunch we went to and i went in and i saw a man, a jovial man with a bald head behind one of the computers. and i went up to him and he was laughing. he said oh, hi, fergie, lovely to see you. how are you. i said very well. what do you do? he said well, i write the headlines and i was the one that wrote dutchess of pork.

and for him it was very good. >> for you it was one of the worst headlines you ever -- >> worst headlines. >> i remember you saying it hit you so hard, dutchess of pork was so direct, so offensive, it played right into your insecurity about your weight. it was -- i mean, you know, i'm not going to defend it. i think it was a vicious head line. >> i thought it was actually very funny now. >> it's funny to everybody else and i've written headlines like that over the years where you do it without any sense of the consequence for the human being because in a way the royals at the time, if you weren't in the newspapers in britain, they seemed like caricatures, like soap opera stars. it was like writing about television characters. >> i didn't realize that, you see. and that's been always my problem. i took it personally. and i got very hurt. the more i got hurt, the more i lost my confidence. and andrew was away. and when i say he's away, there was no e-mails, no telephones. he literally --

>> no texting, no e-mails, no internet, nothing. >> and you had to get a letter to millbank to the post office in time which is a long drive in in order to get the helicopter to take it out to the ship. if you got there and didn't get a letter back, that's why i wrote regularly because i imagined what it must be like for the sailors on the boat never getting letters. so i remember all those days and the letters are beautiful and i think they're a great testament to our love. >> you felt quickly lonely, i imagine. >> i turned to food again like i did when i was 12 and mum left. i felt very, very strongly alone in buckingham palace, which is kind of extraordinary to say that. but i didn't know what to turn and i turned down many of the wrong roads. and i think that -- i think it's very interesting, because when your press goes up, it's great. when it goes down and you believe it, it's really very destructive. >> what was the moment when you think the marriage basically

ended? when there was a point of no return, did you think? >> the thing about andrew and i is really our love is so strong. it's a really extraordinary love. we just seemed to grow together, even now. so i don't really see it as -- i know we're divorced, but we're divorced to each other. >> you've never remarried, either of you. >> no. >> i've always harbored this quaint thought and wonder, you still live in his house. i mean is it completely unthinkable that one day the two of you could actually get back together? >> well, i think that, as i said, we're a very modern fairy tale. i don't know whether that we'd ever get back together in a marriage because i don't think that probably anyone would want me hanging around. but i think -- >> well, the other members of the royal family, most of them may have that view. there have been ones that have been very defensive and supportive but he's always stood by you. >> always. >> and he's his own man, i think, andrew. >> the great thing is about andrew, he does a fantastic job, as you know, and he also stands

very firmly for what he believes is right and he stands in great strength with that and fights so hard for his country. what no one realizes, he does all this for his country and he doesn't have to and he does it and ask it with great pride. >> what are your biggest regrets, as the marriage fell apart and the press dived in and all these exposes about you and your life, what for you personally do you most regret doing in that period. >> every minute of my day i have to work on regret. i regret divorcing and i regret that i wasn't more aware. oprah said to me a wonderful line. she said sarah, true forgiveness comes when you can't change the past, when you give up hope that you can change the past. and that's what i've got to learn. i've got to stop trying to go back to that bride and do it again with the awareness that i have now, because i can't. >> do you feel ashamed of your

behavior in that period? or do you feel it was kind of a consequence of all the attacks on you? >> i think looking back, of course with having worked with dr. phil and martha beck and oprah, looking back, goodness with the awareness i have now, yes, i feel so totally ashamed. and i feel as though i was so out of control i didn't see and look at the ramifications of my actions. why didn't i? why didn't i just -- i was on the wrong course to self destruct. >> one of the lowest moments i felt for you, just hooking at it from the outside, was when the toe sucking pictures appeared all over the front page of "the daily mirror." it was such an intrusive picture. and yet it told its own story. when you saw that front page, what went through your mind? >> well, i remember seeing it and just going, oh, no. sarah. that's when carolyn, my best

friend in the world, do you remember carolyn, she said to me now you need help, sarah. and i remember ringing her saying, carolyn, this is what's happened. she said, you know what, you need help. this is crazy. what is happening here. and of course, you know, i went through that. and i think it's an extraordinary tale, and it's one which has -- which every day i work at and every day i try and see how and why i did those things. >> hold that thought. in a moment we're going to come back and i'm going to talk to you about the moment you hit rock bottom and how you then began to get back on top. [ male announcer ] nature valley sweet & salty nut bars... they're made from whole roasted nuts and dipped in creamy peanut butter, making your craving for a sweet & salty bar irresistible, by nature valley.

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fell in love, got married into public life, became a princess, went out there, did all her duties, giving exactly what the public wanted, and then it got to a point where i sabotaged myself. >> rock bottom for you really came last year with this big scandal that blew up in britain in the papers, investigated you and caught you on film apparently asking for 500,000 pounds in return to access to prince andrew and the royals. knowing you as i do and knowing the effort you'd made to get back on your feet and get money

back and you had all these financial troubles, you were nearly there, and then this came out. and even someone like me, who's a friend of yours, i think you'd agree with that, found it hard to read that. >> yeah. i think many people found it hard. i can't read it, because it's not -- it's not the case. for 15 years, i knew this lady who came into my life and she was a good friend of mine and suddenly she said, oh, my father's son is coming to america and would like to invest in your company, and he would like to also support your charity work. do you want to meet him? i said, oh, yeah, that would be fantastic. so when i met him, i knew there was something else because his eyes didn't meet me and his knees were wobbling. is something wrong with you? never. of course he was the journalist. >> i didn't really recognize you in those tapes. >> no, i didn't recognize myself. but i think, you know, there was a huge mistake, piers, and i can't even look at it because i just can't.

because i obviously was exhausted, had drank too much and i was broken to my knees. but the thing about all of this is what they did, editing and everything else, but the real truth is i would not in any way, shape or form sell access to andrew. that's not what i'm about, as you know. so the way they wrote it and the world saw it, i still can't live with because it's not true. >> how did andrew react when he saw that? >> like he always reacts when anything is written or anything is said about me or the girls, complete solidarity to his family. he's extraordinary. and he didn't -- he knows me. he knows i wouldn't do that. it's just the way they worded it, it was so harsh that i -- and the editing process and what they took out and put in. it was really just diabolical. >> of all the royal family -- >> i agree with you, if i was a friend, i would find it difficult. >> i wouldn't say i felt let down by what you did. i felt disappointed for you that

it was all going to blow up again, you were going to get booted around for another year or so. that the royals who didn't want you around anyway, their position would be hardened, make it harder for you. i thought there might be a royal wedding coming and i thought, well, i bet they don't invite you at that and all of this would chip around at your self confidence again, which is pretty well what happened. >> it did, yeah. >> of all the royals over the years, who have been the most supportive to you? >> well, i think like anybody who divorces a family member, it's, you know, you mustn't ever expect to be invited. it's not done. you're like any other couple or family, you're on the other side. but out of all of them it's wonderful that her majesty, the queen, is such a incredible grandmother to the girls. i always love her very much. i think she's a great lady. and i think the prince of wales is an extraordinary father to

his sons. he does such a great job, which more people should look at and he's an exemplary father. and i just -- i always, no matter what anyone says, i have a great huge love for the family and i will continue to do that. and that's fine with me. but i'm not around, because i shouldn't be. >> you didn't get invited to the royal wedding. i wasn't massively surprised. it was a bit too soon after the money scandal. how did you feel that day watching it all? >> well, piers, i was in thailand, and i was embraced by the jungle. and it didn't have a television and a radio deliberately, because i was so sad, you know. i was so happy for william and katherine. they looked beautiful and it was such -- i love the love story. i'm taken in it. i love watching telly seeing them. i remember the love story andrew and i had, had or have, you know, so i know how it is. so i was very sad on the day because it brought back all

those memories of me walking up the aisle. but, however, as someone said when i was sitting in a wonderful wellness bar in thailand, well, if you were there, you wouldn't be here and it's pretty good here. >> your girls were great that day and they wore these very controversial hats, they elaborate fascinators. i thought they were great but i know nothing about fashion. so immediately they're firing in they're this, they're that and so on and they reacted in a very smart way. >> well, i mean it was so difficult for them to be called the ugly sisters. how can you do that to two young people. >> they're not remotely ugly either, they're beautiful girls. >> well, thank you. i think they're pretty okay. every mother says their child are great but mine are great. but the thing is that, yes, for beatrice to turn it around and say try and fund a disaster, $130,000 to charity is amazing. unicef and children crisis, fantastic. >> a charity very dear to your heart.

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my special guest sarah ferguson. let's talk diana. you and diana knew each other since you were 14 years old, and you were incredibly close. then of course you both married these handsome princes and shared this crazy life of princess and dutchess. what was she like, diana? >> well, before she got married, i called her dutch because she was born for it, you know. born to be a princess. we all called her dutch, and i loved that.

and there's no funnier lady -- i don't think i know anybody with her wit. do you remember her wit? >> she's hilarious. >> she was hilarious and she was always right there. on the quiet days and weekends that we were together, we'd laugh and have the best time ever. >> she was very supportive of you for a long time. there was a big story about you when you were in money trouble and it was all over the front page of the papers. i saw diana that morning and she came over and she said you leave fergie alone. i said i haven't done it. she said you might do. she's allowed to get a flight. she was really on my case about it, it was quite funny. i saw then that she was protective of you. she knew what you were going through because she's part of the same system. >> the thing about dutch is that i miss her so much, you know, to this day because she was just -- she was really we were sisters and she was my best friend. and i absolutely adored her. and she did fight for me. in fact it was diana that arranged for me to come to windsor castle for racing that

day. after lunch i went prince andrew is quite good looking. and she went duh, fergs, that's why you're here. we had a tremendous time. i thought what a great lady. what she did for hiv/aids. actually i remember her saying i just want to support them because i know what it's like to be ostracized or to walk into a room and no one talks to you because they think you're untouchable. and in a way she understood that feeling. >> she was remarkable. she told me once she used to go out three or four times a week into the streets of london often in disguise and just hang out late at night with the homeless and take them clothes and food and stuff like that, but regularly do this and no one ever knew. >> no one knew a lot about her work that she did quietly, you know. >> right at the end of her life, she fell out with a lot of people, and you were one of them. you didn't speak to her for the last year or so. what was that about? >> well, we don't really know.

i'd love to ask her, but she's not here. >> it saddened you. >> yeah, desperately, desperately. i think it was maybe she wanted a new course in her own life, you know. she was -- i don't know, i can't remember exactly when it started that she was going doing different things. but the thing is, like i said before, is that my heart is still with her, so it really doesn't matter. i often say to people when they say sorry i haven't got in touch, i say it doesn't matter, my heart is never go to change and i'm very loyal to that. >> where were you when you heard that she died? >> i was in italy. she had the crash but she hadn't died so i made a telephone call to her mobile saying hi, it's me, i'm coming over, i'll be there in a minute, i'm coming to see you. and then i heard she died so i remember reaching out. and i heard from a great friend of both of ours that she -- before she died, you know, not on that day but the weeks before, she said i must get in touch with ole red, i wonder what she's up to so i sort of feel -- >> you would have made up. >> oh, yes. i think any siblings, sometimes

you do that. >> how would she have felt on the royal wedding day, do you think, watching her boy, william, going down the aisle? >> honestly, total pride. total pride. you know, she would -- everybody did. we all did, didn't we? us brits, didn't you think little william now looking so married and harry smiling. it just was an amazing day because i've looked at it afterwards, by the way. >> it was an amazing day. i felt very privileged to be there. be honest here, knowing her well. what do you think she would have made of kate? >> i think they -- i don't know except they would have been the best friends. i know she would have been so delighted because she would have got her daughter. >> you don't think she would have been a little jealous of all the attention. >> not at all, not at all. she always wanted to have a little girl and share clothes and things. she would have had her daughter-in-law. it would have been wonderful. >> it's pretty impressive kate, isn't she? >> i take my hat off to her. she's so serene. she glides like a swan.

i'm a great fan. >> do you worry about her? do you worry about the pressure that you know she's going to be facing? >> i think she's able to cope with it. she's got a very good family. i love the look of her mom and dad. i don't know any of them, never met them. but they all look so together and solid. and i think that she -- the way her mum and dad are always there and pippa, it just looks lovely. i think it's homey and i think she looks absolutely incredible. and also she knows exactly, she's nine years they have been dating. she knows what she's doing so she's -- i think she's doing well. >> i think he's chosen well. >> and i think that she so loves him. i think so, don't you think? >> totally. >> except my -- andrew and i kiss on the balcony -- >> was better. >> well, i think so. >> but they did two. let's just hold it there for a moment. when we come back, i want to talk to you about this extraordinary near death experience. you were 20 minutes away from dying on 9/11.

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so one of the little known things i think about you is this extraordinary story on 9/11. you had an office in cantor fitzgerald's office block. a friend of yours allowed you some office space, and you were 20 minutes late for work. you were going to go in to work that day and just weren't quite on time as you would have been. >> i was sitting at the "good morning america" studios actually. i went there this week and they remembered. i was rushing saying come on, come on, i've got to go to the office. the office was on the 101st floor and the window. and little red, my doll that stands like that was in the window looking down manhattan. i remember leaving the gma studios and heading down and then we stopped. as we left the studios, we saw the airplanes going into the 101st floor. >> when you realized what was

happening to the people in there and you realized how close you came to being one of them, what was going through your mind? >> i think my friend who helped me with the charity, i think johnny has never really got over it because he just couldn't believe it, because that was his world, you know. he was living here all the time. i just wanted to help them because they were such great people. howard lost, what. >> he's a remarkable man. his brother and most of his employees. >> and carried on paying their insurance for -- i think still does. he's an extraordinary human being. i love howard. and howard wanted to reach out and put little red and i there because little red was the logo of chances for children, and it was my way of thanking the american people for really giving me back my life. >> there had been extraordinarily supportive of you, more i would argue the new have experienced in britain

because it has been on and off >> they really took you to their depending on the latest headlines. hearts. >> that's why it's been so difficult from last year, the dreadful scandal. i felt i had let them down, as well. not only betrayed myself, but the american and british people. i felt really bad and i think the americans have been so good to me and i can't thank them enough. it's just when you walk down the street, you find they are always so welcoming. somebody asked me yesterday, do you think william and catherine are going to have a good visit here? i said of course, because the minute they arrive here, the americans will do their usual thing of opening their hospitality to everybody. >> i actually think the americans are as big, if not bigger fans of our royal family than the british are now. >> i think so. i think so. >> they love them. >> i think that when you go around the wedding time, i actually couldn't get over how many americans were there. and just like fascinated by it all.

>> it will be crazy when william and kate go to hollywood, it's going to be crazy. >> i think it's going to be amazing. >> i would love to see the face of those hollywood stars who think they're really famous, when william and kate arrive and they realize these are the big ones. >> i think also coming up, we've got -- -- >> he is a national treasure. >> he is. what he has done is that he has remained consistent, then steadfast to the country and the mark. that is a love story. when you see them together you

see that twinkle in their eyes and that is incredible. >> i always remember when he said to me just remember when you get up and the morning that every single thing you do will be on the front page of every newspaper. just remember that. on deck. >> he didn't remember it very often. let's not dwell >> let's come back in a moment on the past. and talk about the future. >> right, piers. good plan. ♪ ♪ membership rewards points from american express. they're a social currency with endless possibilities.

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after 25 years in public life, i've lost who i really am, and this torments me. i hope that i'm going to start to live, the see if i really will find sarah. i've got to do this. otherwise i will die. >> another very dramatic scene there. there's obviously been a hugely emotional experience make thing series. oprah, an extraordinary woman, isn't she? she recognized the potential not just from a tv point of view,

but for you to go through this cathartic self-awareness program is what it really was. >> when i -- the day after the scandal broke on may 24th, i thought the only person i can go and talk to was oprah. but i think i had done her show once. i went to oprah, did the show. and oprah said she saw something in me, in between this ghost of destruction, there was this hint of a glimmer. i said, oprah, what do i do? she said don't do "dancing with the stars" but she said i can help you. and in working -- this is off camera. and in working, i was talking all the time, she was so helpful to me. >> did you find, sarah, do you think? >> well, i think that -- can i just say that oprah said to me when i was working with martha,

i don't want to ask you, because you're my friend, but what about making a documentary series? and after that, should i do a cooking program in australia? so any way, have i found sarah? no, i think sarah is a work in progress. i think this is going to go on for many years to come. but what i do know, piers, and i'm so excited about it, is i've changed the course of destruction to positivity now. i'm creative, passionate, and i now feel i'm liberated in my head. what i was doing wrong, piers, is acting out on self-hatred or whatever i had chosen to be that day to ruin my day. the team of people i went to see, i'm now back on course. >> for you personally, would you like to get married again? would you like to find a new mr. right in your life? >> i always say, after you've had the best, forget the rest. andrew is the best.

i think it's time to get a boyfriend. can we use this as cnn dateline? >> sure. good time to put yourself back on the market, duchess. >> yeah, come on, men. jack welch yesterday, dating today. yeah, i don't think any man would come near me. because you've got to put up with a lot of press and attention. >> i think they could. you're what we call a good egg, i think is what we would say in britain. you've always had a great heart, a warm, generous person. anyone who doesn't really understand the unique pressures of being a member of the royal family and coming into what you did, doesn't understand what you went through and i do and i think you are coming out the other end and i wish you the best. >> thank you, piers. thank you very much. >> nice to see you again. >> that's it for us tonight.