wants to do next, but it still hasn't stopped the rumors. and some diehard hillary fans want her to run again for president, either in 2012 or 2016. jill dougherty, cnn, the state department. >> i want to thank all of you for spending some time with us on cnn sunday. right now, candy crowley and "state of the union." welcome to a special state of the union from st. anselm college from manchester, new hampshire. tomorrow night cnn had loeft a republican debate for the republican candidates for 2012. new hampshire holds the nation's first primary and the results have steadied the shaken. think 199, after weeks of questioning about womanizing and draft dodging, bill clinton places second in new hampshire and dubs himself the come-back

kid. 2000 when the high-flying bush campaign is brought back to planet earth by a crushing 18-point loss to john mccain. 2008, when the third place w winner from the iowa caucuses finds her voice in a new hampshire win. hillary clinton, come-back woman. in presidential primaries, momentum is the name of the game and this is where it happens -- or doesn't. today -- on the eve of the republican debate, a party wild card biding his time. jon huntsman. >> we're about a week and a half out. then, new hampshire's washington representatives, center kelly ayad and congressman charlie bass. new hampshire's family team, former governor john sununu and his form, former senator john s sununu. i'm candy crowley, and this is "state of the union." we begin with the unknown.

he's the father of seven, a motorcycle riding mormon with an eclectic professional resume including former governor of utah and former ambassador to china for president obama. in the past months jon huntsman has been in new hampshire for more events than any declared candidate. >> we're in a deep funk in this country. >> he looks, walks and talks like a presidential candidate. why isn't he? we tracked down former governor jon huntsman friday after getting to know the candidate house party in north salem. so the big question is what is taking you so long? >> well, we've only been at it about a month. little over a month. and when you consider -- >> but at it with a vengeance. >> with a vengeance. so if you look at our 0 to 60 speed, i think we've broken some land speed records in getting to where we are. i think we've been to about 127 separate states. >> 36 times in less than a month in new hampshire, someone told us. 36 events.

>> that sounds -- i've lost count. >> well someone counted it for you. >> i've lost count. yeah, that sounds about right. >> so why not just go, yeah, i'm running? you know, i'm talking to donors, i'm getting money, we just got finished with a house party. what's the -- you know, where's the balloons and the band and the speech? >> we're about a week and a half out. >> week and a half. okay. here? >> well, i'll keep that for another time. >> you're not playing. >> but we're right at the end point and is your family supportive? yes. check that box. do you think you can rally enough financial support to make it happen? yes, you check that box. do you think on the ground in the key early states, new hampshire and south carolina and florida you can create the presence and the excitement and enthusiasm that will work? yeah, you check that box. that's -- we've basically check all the boxes and now we're kind of moving toward -- >> now you got to write the speech. >> well, yeah. and have probably another meeting with the family, just to

say, here's where we are. >> speak now or forever hold your peace. >> that's right. that's right. >> well, when you -- let me ask you like a hometown question for cnn. we've looked at the polling. 70% of folks nationwide, as well as in new hampshire, don't know enough about you to say whether they approve or disapprove. so why not just get into a debate and do it? >> well, there will be plenty of debates. we'll be in more debates than i think anyone will be able to stomach at the end of the exercise when we have finally check that last box and are ready to go. we've only been at it five weeks. we've moved about as fast as you can move. then you cross that -- you pass that final barrier, then you're in. and then you do everything that needs to be done from there. >> and that's 24/7. >> that's right. >> do you think, looking way down the line, do you think that barack obama has had a failed presidency? >> on the economic side, there

are no signs of success. very little. you look at unemployment, you look at the environment and which jobs supposedly can be created, when you look at the debt level, you look at all of the economic indicators and it would suggest that we're in bad shape and certainly over the course of two years, there's been insufficient movement. and now people kind of back away and they say, let's look at it and assess the last two years and make a judgment about that. so i found in politics you've got about 2 to 2 1/2 years after you've been elected to get something done and move out on a positive direction with something as important as the economy. and here we are. >> so you think it's failed on economic side. >> failed on the economic front. >> how about on the foreign policy front? how do you think he's done? >> well, we have different world views. i worked the china relationship which for 40 years has been a bipartisan relationship. it's been america's interest.

their security, their economic, their cultural. and it was a great honor to serve my country in that capacity. but when you look at afghanistan, can we hang out until 2014 and beyond? when you look at the middle east -- >> can we? >> well, i would argue you can if you're willing to pay another quarter after trilli quarter of a trillion dollars to do so. but if it isn't in our direct national security interest and if there isn't a logical exit strategy, and if we don't know what the cost is going to be in terms of mrn and human livmoney lives, it is probably time to re-evaluate this if we can't make that strong argument for the american people. >> so president huntsman would want to be out of afghanistan earlier than 2014? >> well, my hunch is the american people want to be out of there as quickly as we can get it done. you're going to have to leave behind some presence, probably not 100,000 or 120,000 troops,

but some presence. >> bringing you back to the race, when you -- when you get in, week and half or so, you'll be number eight -- well, you'll be about 138 but of those who show up in the polling. what do you bring to the table that mitt romney doesn't bring to the table? >> first of all, you have to look at our records as governor. every governor governs a little differently. they all have different track records. some speak to economic success, some people to education or health care success. we all try to do what's best for our state. all you have to do is compare and contrast. second, i think the citizens of this country are going to be very interested in a president who understands the world for what it is. it is complex, it is confusing, it is uncertain and it is not going to get any better in the years to come. >> so foreign policy experience. >> i think foreign policy and national security experience will be in great demand in years to come, no question about that.

>> a lot of people. i know you'll interrupt me when i say these things and i'll let you explain, but a lot of people look and say, okay, jon huntsman, at one point he looked favorably upon mandated health care insurance. at one point he favored cap in trade. he is for civil unions. he looks a heck of a lot like a democrat. >> well, look at my record in the state of utah. health care reform without a mandate. of course you've got to talk about all the options. >> did you ever favor it? there have been stories out there that you did, that you wanted it. >> you'll read and hear everything. you look at what you put your signature to. we debated it enthusiastically as a state, private and public sector, we looked at every conceivable option. we came up with a model that i think deserves some national recognition. i really do. economic development, historic tax reform, flattening the tax, create be a state that was the number one economy in the

america, the best managed state in america according to the pew foundation, there's a lot there that i think anyone on the conservative side would look at and like. now am i perfect in all the categories? do i favor civil unions? yeah, i favor civil unions. i don't think we've done enough in the name of equality in the area of reciprocal beneficiary rights. will some people -- >> hospital visitations, things like that. >> sure. will some people hold that against snee that's okme? that's okay. you got to be who you are and march forward. some people will like it. i believe in the end people will look at the totality of what you stand for, the totality of what you've done, then make an informed decision. >> couple other quick policy questions. you i know are opposed to ethanol subsidies which helped frame your strategy going forward. are you also against oil and gas subsidies? would you phase those out as well? >> i think phasing out all subsidies. some will have to be done on a faster track than others. but moving toward a phase-out of all subsidies is going to be

very important for budgetary reasons in this country. when you look at the tens of billions of dollars that we built our economy on that create artifici artificiality, we're at a point in time where for budget reasons we can't wait a whole lot longer. >> finally, haley barbour, a pretty good strategic thinker, was on tv the other day and said listen, ronl reagan was very good at taking 80% of what he wanted and calling it a good deal. so he, haley barbour, can see supporting a candidate who said, fine, if i could get 80% of the spending cuts i wanted, i could see some tax increases. can you say a similar thing? could you see a deal as a president huntsman where you would say i'll give you this much in spending cuts, i can see a tax increase. >> i don't think the nation's ready for that and i think it would be the worst possibly thing we can do when our nation begins to grow. that's not a pro growth

strategy. we found that in the state of utah. all around us we can see the carcasses from the last industrial revolution. we've been good at launching industrial revolutions in this country. you grow your way out of it, you create jobs, expand revenue and pay your bills by doing that. i think tax increases would likely stand in the way of that kind of positive economic growth that we so desperately need now. >> jon huntsman, thanks for spendsing some time with us. >> thanks, candy. up next, will congress reach a deal on the debt ceiling before that august deadline? we'll ask two new hampshire republicans who are driving a hard bargain. anananananannounce] this...is the network. a living, breathing intelligence that's helping drive the future of business. in here, inventory can be taught to learn. ♪ machines have a voice. ♪ medical history follows you.

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joining me now, two republican members of the u.s. congress from here in new hampshire, senator kelly ayad, a member of the armed services committee@, and congressman charlie bass on the energy and commerce committee. welcome to you both. let me start out with some washington business, that is the debt ceiling, which we are told by august the treasury secretary will run out of ways to move the money around and we're going to begin to default on some of our debts. are you all willing to go into default on some debts if you do not get budget cuts or balanced budget amendment? >> well, candy, here's the issue. we can't continue to kick the can when it comes to the

physical state of this country. i think what republicans are say, nobody wants anyone to default but we're saying we need real spending reforms. i think that's what the american people want to get us on a sustainable trajectory so spending cuts, dealing with the issue of entitlements to preserve them, and some reforms on congress, like spending caps. >> so far it's looking like a game of chicken. it's looking as though the democrats are saying the republicans are never going to let us default. you're saying it looks like the democrats are not going to let us default and there doesn't seem to be any kind of working toward getting an agreement. >> this isn't like the continuing resolution where midnight on friday is it. default is defined as being unable to pay a bill because you don't have cash. but that doesn't necessarily mean that we can't make payments on treasury bills or other obligations. it means that the u.s. doesn't have enough money to meet every obligation. and this is probably our only best or greatest opportunity in

this cycle to do anything significant about changing the direction of spending in washington, which is what kelly alluded to. >> so, to the question are you willing to let default happen in some places or move around and money gets very tight, are you willing to go into that phase if the democrats just say, look -- >> there's a difference between strategic or technical default and default where you really don't have the economy to support the spending. we are not at that point yet. we could be. we could be, like some european nations. but i think the global economy will understand that the united states has the ability to meet its obligations. but it's not going to be able to do it over the long term if we can't control the growth of government. >> isn't the risk that -- the risk is the signal to the rest of the world, isn't it? the risk is the signal to wall street. >> well, candy, i think that the real -- what we've heard is that the president really needs to step forward here. where's the presidential leadership?

we've got signals from washington. we heard from the s&p, the negative outlook on our credit rating. it is time for him to step forward and come up with real reforms that are going to address this fiscal crisis and he has the opportunity here. this is an opportunity for us to come together with real reforms to reduce spending, to deal with entitlements, to get this country on the right track. so i think this is his time. >> by the way, there's plenty of precedent for that. most of the major increases in the debt ceiling have been accompanied by structural changes in the way we raise an spend money. >> congresswoman, let me ask you specifically. you heard jon huntsman say, yes, he thinks all subsidies ought to be phased out. he's against ethanol subsidies. i asked him specifically about subsidies to the oil, tax loopholes, tax breaks for oil and gas companies. republicans have been against that. isn't it time to relook at some of these things? given the state of our budget, given that the republicans want to make some major changes to try to do savings with medicare, isn't it time to look at these oil and gas subsidies? >> well first of all, if you

really segregate oil and get subsidies alone, just those, not other taxes, it comes to about $1.9 billion a year in savings. we're running a $250 billion a month deficit. i'm willing -- i'm willing to vote to end that subsidy if it's part of the recognition on the part of the democrats or those who support this that they're willing to look at the real issues w issues, which is getting from $250 billion a month deficit down to $0. there's no plan for that out of the senate, there's no plan out of the white house. >> senator, oil and gas? >> i have to tell you, first of all, ethanol is going to come up for a vote i think this week in the senate. tom coburn is leading that effort to repeal that subsidy. on oil the gas, the democrats brought up oil and gas subsidies at a time when we have skyrocketing gas prices. i think the timing of this, we should review all subsidies and

not single out any one industry particularly when we know that's going to cause an increase in gas prices. that's one of the concerns i had about it. but again i'll vote to repeal the ethanol subsidy this week. >> another thing, sort of turning to foreign policy and related to the budget, that is, you heard jon huntsman say he questioned the libyan effort from the very beginning, what's our strategic interest here, that everything needs to be looked at in terms of is there a strategic interest and do we really have the money to do it. so far $664 million it is estimated we've spent in libya. how long are you willing to go ahead to keep that going? >> well, i'm actually co-sponsoring a resolution brought forward by senator cornyn. i think that the president should have come to congress to seek approval for libya, and in addition to that, i think we haven't had had a clear plan from the administration on what is it that they're hoping to accomplish. the last thing we want in libya is stalemate so i think it is time for the administration to come forward with a concrete

plan. how much is this going to cost, what is it that you hope to accomplish, especially since -- >> pull out and leave the rest of nato there. >> we have stalemate for all intents and purposes in libya. this is the third or fourth engagement that we've had with an islamic nation. we don't -- we never had a plan to begin with. we never had an exit strategy. and now nato and tangentially us that are involved there, we should not be there. >> are you willing to pull out and leave the rest of nato there? >> i'm willing to make -- i'm willing to make libya a european problem, not a u.s. problem. >> let me ask you about afghanistan, because we've got osama bin laden, there are now voices in the party, among them jon huntsman, saying, it's time to get a speedier pull-out. should there be? >> i voted for that very idea last week. i think that the time has come with the assassination of osama bin laden and all these other --

for which, by the way, the president deserves significant credit. it's time for a new mission in afghanistan and it can't be about nation building, it can't be about establishing a western style representative democracy. it has to be about limiting the terrorist threat without having kind of cost and forestructure there. i would support an exit strategy that is as quick, but organized and safe as possible for our troops. >> candy, first of all, conditions on the ground have to dictate this and we've already -- >> petraeus and gates -- >> petraeus an gates say this is premature. last thing we want to do is pull out prematurely and to lose any progress that we've made there. and with all the sacrifice that our troops have made. so i believe that we need to listen to our military leaders on this and i think that we captured and killed osama bin laden, that was very, very important. but there are other terrorists who are still out there and

obviously in pakistan the taliban, we have the haqqani network, members of al qaeda are still out there and we have to continue our mission right there. >> finally, an issue that's consumed certainly the house, congressman anthony weiner at this moment saying i'm going to go get treatment and he wants a kind of leave of absence. is that acceptable? >> well, i haven't made any comments about congressman weiner. he's got to sort out his own life. i can't -- i find it hard to believe what's -- i just can't -- it's beyond anything i can comprehend what's happened here with him and if i were he, i would resign from the congress and make -- try to rebuild my life and move on. >> i'll give you a pass on that. >> that's fine. >> unless have you something you want to say. you think he ought to leave? >> i think yes, because is he a distraction from the issues that we should be focusing on. >> thanks so much, senator kelly ayotte and congressman bass.

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have been with a candidate four years ago have been pretty patient. let the field develop. let's let it get set and then listen, over the summer, and then get engaged. >> i narrowed it down to about four, the four former governors, the -- mitch daniels, haley barbour, tim pawlenty and mitt romney. and two of them have dropped out soar that's down to two. if rick perry decides to get in i'll feel comfortable putting him in the mix but my support will probably go to one of those. >> a former governor. >> if you notice, he's very biased towards former governors. >> are you as biased? >> there is a lot of historic precedent for former governors being successful as candidates and you have to argue relatively successful regardless of party affiliation as president. president clinton. president reagan. >> roosevelt. >> roosevelt. you know, it's cheap executive

experience, leadership, decision making, handling all the aspects of the budget, dealing with different political constituents. >> you really need more experience than being a community organizer to run this country. >> but i noticed that in that list of governors, no jon huntsman. >> well, i only support republicans. >> okay. them's fighting words. do you agree with him? >> well, when you get to a certain age you can say pretty much anything you want, any time you want. if it goes a little too far, people say, well, he's getting on there just a little bit. >> stla a little too far? >> everyone knows that jon huntsman has weaknesses on some substantive issues but the fact that he served in a democratic ed administration makes it a little tough in a republican primary and he understands that himself. >> but look, he fawned over -- fawned over obama to the point where he sounded like he should have been on msnbc. >> really, there he goes again.

>> but you got to give him credit, it sort of sums up the problem very clearly in a way that people in new hampshire and across the country with understand. >> but do you think republicans feel that way? are you telling me there is no room in the republican party for someone to look and say my president asked me to be ambassador to china and i said yes. that's service, isn't it? >> no. i think the problem isn't so much that he served as ambassador but that he just gushed over policies that made no sense. and, frankly, his position on things like cap-and-trade, on health care, on issues associated with civil unions -- >> mitt romney has a problem with health care. >> they all do. >> and pawlenty has a problem with cap-and-trade. zblefr o . >> everyone of the candidates has got an obstacle to overcome. >> but he seems to have a collection of issues. i don't want to dwell because it because i think the most important candidates are the ones i mentions, pawlenty, romney. >> let me show you two polls who are out here today, a

cnn/opinion research poll. would you rather see the republicans nominate a candidate who can beat obama 75%, or one who agrees with you on issues. 24%. it is all about electability. isn't it? >> it is all about fixing the country. the republican party across the board from the tea party members to frankly, the most liberal members of the party are scared to death about what's happening to this country and i think they recognize we have one chance to fix it and i think that poll reflects it. >> i think you'll also see a transition though in those numbers. so early on when very -- relatively few have committed firmly to a candidate, they're going to say i'm looking for the candidate that's going to win, that's going to succeed, that's going to beat president obama. as more an more get committed in the late summer and early fall, i think you'll see an increase in the number that says it is about the issues because they'll be backing a candidate that they're committed to substantively that they agree with on the issues. >> that's almost right. >> well let me let you tell him

why he's almost right right after break. we'll come back with the sununus and i've got another poll to show you about who the republicans think is the most electable. right after this.

we are back with former new hampshire governor john h. sununu and his son former senator john e. sununu. when last we speak you were just about to te-- >> i think out of the field of seven they'll identify two or three that they think will win or could win. and then they will make the choice on the basis of ideology amongst those three. >> let me show you the second half of that poll where the question was who can beat president obama. romney, 65%. giuliani, 56%. palin, 44%. gingrich, 43%. paul, 27%. ron paul, congressman from texas. first of all, let's go off that. mitt romney, the conventional wisdom here now is that he has a problem with the tea party, that his support for mandated health

care insurance in the state, that going -- that his swinging on social issues hurts him with the tea party that doesn't trust him. i know you done believe that. >> look, i think there's a fixation in washington on tea party. i think the tea party's the traditional conservative republicans. i don't want to dwell on romney, but if you go to the election, state election, in new hampshire where a chairman that was strongly supported by the tea party was elected, the winner, by far, in the straw poll amongst those folks was romney. and the second was ron paul. a distant second. so i think the three governors i have talked about are sufficiently strong on the conservative side of the issues that they'll get support from the full spectrum of the republican party all the way over to the right. >> there's also the fact that the most conservative voters tend to be be disproportionately important in a relatively low turnout election. this is not going to be a low turnout election. we have a republican primary

with a wide-open field and no primary on the democratic side in the new hampshire primary. it is going to be a lot of undeclareds, a lot of republican interest. it is going to be relatively high turnout and that means you've got to appeal across a pretty broad swath of the republican primary electorate. >> let me ask you about rudy giuliani. in or out? >> i don't think he's going to run. and i don't think he's -- i think his performance last time will be representative of his performance this time. >> yeah, i don't think he'll run. >> this is just daydreaming by the republican party? >> no, look. everyone wants to help shape the message. the primary, broadly speaking, in new hampshire provides a platform for anyone with national interest or aspiration or something to talk about from the substantive standpoint. >> we even attract network coverage. >> yes, you do. >> donald trump. it was a very popular place for donald trump for a while. >> sarah palin, in or out? >> i don't think she's running. >> i don't think so.

i think she can probably from her standpoint be as effective or non-effective as a non-candidate. shaping the message. she will make endorsements, congressional and even senate level come 2012. she's got an opportunity to do something that resonates with her constituents -- >> she can have her cake and eat it, too, through the process. she can be visible, you will cover her, she can be heard and she doesn't have to do the hard work. >> how about rick perry? you brought him up. former -- current texas republican governor. >> i don't know. i honestly, up until last week's resignation from the gingrich camp, was absolutely, positive he wasn't going to run, because all the people that he would use to run were working for gingrich. they're not working for gingrich anymore. >> is gingrich toast? >> i don't think he's going to be able to do a whole lot in new hampshire. he's the type of figure that already had very high name i.d. and, for better or for worse, it was pretty hard name i.d.

in other words, people had pretty much already made up their mind about that. hard to break out of that, to start with. badly organized rollout. newt's a smart guy at times and has an idea every minute but the problem is sometimes he can say things that he ends up having to explain and you start right out with ryan on medicare and the way he criticized the house republican plan and it just got worse from there. >> really quickly, like 15 seconds, who has to stand out in the debate tomorrow night? >> nobody. >> survive? >> i think tomorrow night sint ducks night, not decision night. >> i think it is an opportunity for tim pawlenty to try to move himself into a one-on-one campaign with mitt romney. it is still early. no one has to bedazzle. but it is an opportunity for pawlenty to pull out of that pack a little bit and show that this has the potential to be a strong two-man race. >> senator sununu, governor sununu, thank you. some time i'm coming for thanksgiving. up next, congressman anthony weiner's leave from absence,

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gorgeous. tomorrow night here, a big bee debate, the first presidential republican debate of the season, right here in new hampshire. sponsored by cnn. joining me now, political reporters neil king of the "wall street journal" and phillip rut ker of the washington soeft. feel as though we should head off to church or something. let's start out with the newt gingrich implosion, most overworked word but that's really what describes it. i compare it to john mccain except for -- who's so much broader and deeper than that. can he survive this? >> this was implosion, it was not only loss of his campaign manager and senior spokesman but all of his field staff everywhere. so we have never really seen anything like it. tonight he's giving a speech in l.a., a foreign policy speech. he hopes that will be sort of his relaunch but he has no real staff. as the sununus were pointing out, he's already well known in american political life. he was hoping to have kind of a

second act. now he's going to try to have a third. think it is going to be very hard. >> i think the key for newt gingrich is really to stand out in these debates beginning monday night and future debates through the fall. that's really where he's going to have an opportunity to rebill some sort of a campaign or get himself back in the game but it is really unclear where he goes from here. >> plus, i think the other problem is the reason that these senior folks are saying they left, they don't think he actually wants to be president. i think that's almost as damaging as all of them leaving when you see polls like, okay, we want electability, and now republicans are being told, you know what? this guy doesn't really want to win. >> i think he actually does very much want to be president. he spent the last two years basically laying the groundwork. you think what they found is he was essentially unmanageable and that he sees himself as a marketedly different person than the average candidate and doesn't really want to do the retail grinding campaigning that pawlenty an these others are doing, that it is beneath him in a way. >> i've seen presidential candidates before who wanted to be president, they just didn't want to campaign for it. >> one thing to remember, he's

been in american politics for decades now but he's only ever run a campaign as a congressional candidate in georgia. he's never been through a national campaign like this. he's never even been for a state wide campaign so it is different for him. >> so in the debate you think he has to stand -- if he's going to at some point he has to start out and the debate may be a chance for him to kind of do a make-good. who else has to do what? or is this just a scene setter? >> i think in your last segment there was a lot of talk about tim pawlenty. this is really an opportunity for him to break out of this pack, to really establish himself as a front-runner, to go up against mitt romney. it is also a opportunity for several candidates appealing to the tea party base and evangelicals. michelle bachmann, herman cain, rick santorum. one of them is going to try to break out and i think tomorrow night in new hampshire's we're going to see who that might be. >> how do they break out? go after mitt? >> i think for mitt romney, i think he's literally center

stage. >> i'll go with you on that. >> but anyway, there's going to be incoming fire, he'll have to deal with that. i think this is a big moment for michelle bachmann, her first moment on sore of the national campaign stage. for people like tim pawlenty, he's still trying to introduce himself and catch fire. debate greenville. i think this may be a moment where he also extends that a little bit. but i think -- i agree with the sununus that this is an introductory moment for most of the people on stage. >> what do you think of huntsman skipping the debate? we always say oh, new hampshire takes this very personally, and this will hurt him in new hampshire. i'm thinking, gee, it's june. there will be other debates. does it palpably hurt jon huntsman, assuming he's going to run, which we all do? >> i'm not sure. he's not a declared candidate, and he also doesn't quite seem to be ready. he's only been back in the united states from china for six weeks. he's been out in new hampshire a lot talking to voters.

he's made it clear that this will be the centerpiece of his strategy here. so i'm sure he'll be back in a debate here. i'm not sure it will hurt him that much. but the others are getting a chance to get started in this race without him, and in that sense, could be. >> what's your take on huntman? >> i talked to him last night. i sensed there was a little regret in some ways. i agree with phil that he's still honing his message, still trying to figure out what kind of ground he's going to occupy. interestingly, i went to a house party last night hosted in nashville oddly enough by a obama supporter, voted for obama last time, still more or less likes him. >> you're not doing huntsman any favors here. >> that's sort of the hybrid realm that he's trying to occupy, and it's going to be unclear -- he's not going to jazz up a lot of their true conservati conservatives. can he carve something out of the middle to move forward? >> you heard sununu, he was brutal about huntsman. basically he's obama, he's a

democrat, i only vote for republicans. is it that deep, that we assume conservatives don't like anything to do with president obama. they really want someone to go out there and beat on the president's policies. is huntman able to do that, do you think? >> i don't know. you know, we saw him at some house parties this week, and he would talk for about 30 minutes and never even mention president obama by name or attack him. no other candidate is taking that approach in this race. you know, his campaign, they think it's going to work out and make him stand out and make him seem more measured. that's really what republican primary voters want in a nominee this year. >> what about romney in iowa. mitt romney, former governor of massachusetts, spent $10 million or something in iowa last time around and got very little to show for it in terms of either the straw poll or the caucus results. now he's saying i'm not doing the iowa caucuses. they're not important. they were quite important last time around.

but this time around he says they're not important. does that hurt him? >> i mean, he's playing the expectations game in iowa. he's going to stay out of the straw poll. he could in the end do moderately well even with not really playing in it. i still think there's a chance and i think his campaign sort of secretly thinks there's a chance that he could win the caucus because the other side, the kind of tea party social conservative side of the spectrum is going to be so carved out by so many people in a way that it wasn't the last time around. huckabee occupied that to himself. so if romney were to keep the same share of the pay, slice of the pie, that he had the last time, he could possibly win with that, and that would be an upset victory that would really propel him forward. i don't think he's a total loser in iowa, myself. >> and when you look at it, he could do well in the straw poll in august without doing anything and look better than coming in second, having spent a lot of time doing it. >> and actually third in a straw poll in august. and if he's not technically competing and playing there,

it's a victory for him. and i think they're going to make a gametime decision sometime in november or december about whether they're going to go all in with that caucus because there is a possibility that they could win it. >> and i know you'll be overjoyed to hear we have less than a minute here. so i'm going to bring up anthony weiner. can he survive with the democratic hierarchy in the house saying you've got to get out? >> it doesn't appear he can. i don't know, he could drag this out for a few more weeks or stay on a leave of absence for a much more extended period of time. but when you've got your whole party leadership telling you to go, i don't know where you turn to for support. >> i agree, more or less. my original feeling of a couple days ago, it's typical in washington if you survive the first incoming fire for three or four days, if he survives a week, he'll survive altogether, but it's looking less likely now. >> he thought he could wait it out, and it's just got worse and worse. it's not so much he can get out so he can get treatment, they want him to get out so they can get on with business.

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time for a check of today's top stories. some 200 military helicopters armed with machine guns stormed a town in northwest syria today. u.s. secretary-general ban ki-moon condemned serious use of force against its own civilians. syrian state television says military units entered the town to cleanse the national hospital of armed gangs. a top al qaeda operative in east africa has been killed in a gunfight at a checkpoint in somalia. mohamed is believed to be behind the 1998 bombings of u.s. embassies in tanzania and kenya. iraq says a u.s. congressional delegation visiting the country is no longer welcome there. this after california congressman dana rohrabacher reportedly suggested to iraqi prime minister nuri al maliki that iraq repay some of the costs of the war. the u.s. embassy in iraq is dist