ever ever find an entertainer as special, as talented, as loving and as caring as michael jackson. i promise you that. michael is a gift from god. >> it's been fascinating. the book is a riveting read. thank you for sharing it with me. and it's a pleasure to meet you finally. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> that's all tonight. now here's anderson cooper tonight new york lawmakers are just one vote away from legal lighting same sex marriage. president obama is heading to new york later this week for a fundraiser with the gay community. new questions are being raised about what the president actually believes about gay marriage and whether his public opposition to it is real or just political posturing. tonight we're keeping them honest in 1996 when he was a college professor running for illinois state senate from a wealthy liberal chicago neighborhood, barack obama answered a question in a local paper called "outline's". he checked a box negligence to the sentence "i favor legalizing same sex marriages and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages." seems pretty clearcut.

but once he was actually in office, his position suddenly and inexplicably began to change. in 1998 responding to an illinois state legislative national political awareness test here race how he responded to the question, do you believe that the illinois government should recognize same sex marriages. his answer undecided. by 2004, on the verge of his campaign for national office, the united states senate, mr. obama was telling the windy city times that he supported civil unions, saying "i think that marriage, in the minds of a lot of voters, has a religious connotation. i know that's true in the african-american community." then four years later, running for president, appearing at the saddle back megachurch in southern california appearing with pastor rick warren he said quite plainly he was against same sex marriage. >> i belief that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. [ applause ] >> now, for me as a christian -- for me as a christian it's also a sacred union. god's in the mix.

[ applause ] >> would you support a constitutional amendment with that definition? >> no, i would not. >> why not? [ applause ] >> because historically -- because historically we have not defined marriage in our constitution. it's been a matter of state law that has been our tradition. now, let's break it down. the reason that people think there needs to be a constitutional amendment, some people believe, is because of the concern about same sex marriage. i am not somebody who promotes same sex marriage. but i do believe in civil unions. i do believe that we should not -- that for a gay partners to want to visit each other in a hospital, for the state to say,

you know what, that's all right, i don't think in any way inhibits my core beliefs about what marriage are. i think my faith is strong enough and my marriage is strong enough that i can afford those civil rights to others even if i have a different perspective or different view. >> so that's the chronology. 1996 he supported same-sex marriage and said he would fight for it. 12 years later, running for president, he opposed it and says he still does, though he now says his position is evolving. hard to see how president's position has changed so much. the only thing that has changed is his need for a wider audience to vote for him. now, in the last several days the white house seems to have struggled with exactly what to say about the president's flip-flop over the years on gay marriage. at net roots nation last week white house communications director dan feiffer was asked about that 1996 questionnaire. >> i have his exact answer right here, i favor legalizing same sex marriages and would fight efforts to prohibit same sex marriage. >> if you go back and look that,

questionnaire was actually filled out by someone else, not the president. there was a long debate about this in the campaign. >> so it's a fake questionnaire? >> so what i will tell you is that the president's position has been consistent on this. but what he has said -- >> well, hold on a minute. you're saying that this is a fake questionnaire? >> this was litigated in the campaign. there were a number of issues. >> i don't think it's been clarified. i'd like to clarify it now. there are a lot of people here concerned about this issue. so the president has never favored same-sex marriage. >> the president's position on gay marriage i will say is that he has been against it. but he has said that country is evolving on this and he is evolving on it. and i'll tell you why he said -- this is an answer he gave when some folks in this room were in a meeting with the white house with the president. and the president said it's clear the country is moving on this. it's evolving and he's evolving. >> so he seems to be saying the president didn't ever support same-sex marriage. dodging whether he said what he said in it.

yesterday a reporter for the washington blade asked press secretary jay carnie about that questionnaire. as you'll see, the answer -- i guess you can say it is evolving as well. >> can you clarify whether or not the '96 survey was signed by obama? >> it's my understanding that it was. i think we clarified on friday that dan was referring to another questionnaire. >> did the president in fact support same-sex marriage in 1996? >> once again, what i know is what his position was during the campaign and what it is now. he's been very clear about it. he was very clear in the campaign. he's very clear about the fact that his position -- that it's evolving. and i really don't have anything to add to it. >> so it's interesting. he admits the 1996 survey was signed by barack obama, but you'll notice he avoids saying if the president believed what he said back then and avoids explaining why the president has apparent lay changed his position or even why it's evolving back to what it may have been 12 years ago.

i spoke about all this a few moments ago with democratic strategy it paul -- colleague of the late harvey milk and founder of the aids memorial quilt. >> paul, how is it possible that then professor obama said he's in favor of same-sex marriage and now he's had this evolution to where he's no longer in favor of it? it's got to just be politics. >> well, probably it is. i don't like to criticize other people's motives. but at that time his politics were all about winning a state senate district, a very progressive part of chicagoers which is a progressive city. then the politics changed. he became a young man on the move. illinois a much different place than just his little district. and he then came out against it. it is just politics. now, i have to say on this one he's kind of behind the american people. he was way ahead of us, frankly, on healthcare, on the auto bailout, on any number of issues. but on this one he is a lagging politician that we have a narrow

majority of americans who now support full equality in marriage for all americans. and i think the president's a little late to the party frankly. >> it's interesting, cleave, because people who are opposed to same-sex marriage point to president obama and say, well, look, president obama doesn't support it as well. do you believe he actually doesn't support it, or do you think this is just he made a political calculation of you know what, i'm just going to say i don't support it even though maybe i really do. >> well, i think it's clearly a political calculation. sadly i think it's the wrong one. i think this president needs to re-energize his base. i support the president. i campaigned for him. i anticipate campaigning again. and i believe that the role that he and his advisors would wish me to play would be to be re-energizing the base. and this is not the way to do it. he is definitely behind the curve. the evolution of the country on this issue is proceeding at a far more rapid rate than his

own. so i'm concerned about it. and this visit to new york, given the situation there right now, i think puts him in a very difficult position. >> you know, paul, democrats attack conservatives for being hypocritical on issues that they're hypocritical about. but i don't hear a lot of democrats attacking their own president for hypocrisy. the president is now saying, well, my opinion on this is evolving, which is clearly kind of a hint to people in the gay community to people who do support same-sex marriage that maybe he will one day support it. i mean, is he trying to have it both ways? >> sure. all of us do and certainly politicians no different than the rest of us. i don't think it's hypocritical at all. who knows? i can't peer into his art. there may be some authentic evolution here. but cleave makes a good point, he's a little late to this. >> how do you evolve from i support it in '96 to "i don't support it" to "i'm thinking i may support it". it doesn't logically make sense.

>> he may be evolving backwards and that is of concern. >> sort of deevolution. but the politics did change. here's the politics he needs to worry about. were i advising him i'd say mr. president, you've got 73% of the gay vote when you ran in 2008. that was less than john kerry got. he got 77. it's the only real heart of our base where you did less well than john kerry, at least that i came across. and so by the way, two years later in 2008 the democrats -- in two 10 rather only got 69%. we've had 58% erosion in our gay americans. we need to energize this base or republicans will continue to gain with gay americans, even though i don't think their agenda reflects the gay community. >> does the democratic party take gay americans for granted? feeling that, well, look, they're not going to go to the republican party? >> there's great cynicism and enormous frustration with this administration. and of course, as in my case it's also mixed with a lot of affection and respect.

but the fact that they would continue to defend don't ask don't tell for as long as they did, for the fact that he's already stated that in his view of the core of the defense of marriage act is unconstitutional. well then he should sign on to senator feinstein's bill to repeal it and signal support there. i've been working with courage campaign trying to get more cosponsors for senator feinstein's legislation. the momentum is clear. the tide of history is clear. his window of opportunity to stake his claim on the right t 0

president obama speaks to the nation tomorrow night about afghanistan. a congressional source telling us he's going to announce plans to pull out 10,000 troops and another 20,000 by the end of 2012. we'll have details about it later on 360. tonight we're keeping them honest on the country next door, ally pakistan.

it's where a lot of the i.e.d.'s that maim american troops are made in pakistan's tribal areas near the afghan border. in recent weeks, however, american officials have reportedly told pakistani intelligence about four bomb-making factories. and in all four cases, the intelligence has apparently leaked to the insur gents. by the time pakistani troops get there, the factories are empty. someone has been tipping them off, though pakistani officials including the country's top military spokesmen today deny it. in addition, pakistani authorities have arrested dozens of people for helping in the raid that kill osama bin laden while steadfastly denying he had a support network helping him live for years in the very heart of pakistan. >> this was a man who was living in a fortress, and you have intelligence agents swarming all over the country. how did they not know? >> 9/11 happened in new york. with all the maximum and the best available intelligence to the american parties could not make out 9/11's culprits. and they were still taking training in the institutions

there. so sometimes intelligence failure there. >> in your investigation, have you found any evidence that bin laden had a support network here in pakistan? >> there is no such thing at all. not an i yo that of doubt in my department. >> you categorically deny? >> categorically. no support network. >> even if that unlike will i claim is true that he had no support network, new polling from pew research suggestion he had popular support among pakistanis. it showed 63% disapproval rating for the raid that pull him out. 12% despite billions of dollars in humanitarian aid and military aid flowing into pakistan since the 9/11 attacks. i talked about the pakistani problem earlier tonight with world afairs analyst fareed za cara and ed core at large of time magazine. >> there have been several incidents of insurgents in pakistan abandoning bomb-making facilities after the u.s. informed the pakistani regime about them that.

certainly seems to play into all of the u.s.'s concerns about collaboration between elements within the pakistani military and terrorist groups. >> look. at this point there's really no question. everybody has noticed a pattern in which when you ask the pakistani military for help with regard to certain militants, certain groups, certain bomb-making factories, by the time you get there in 50% of the kays the militants have been tipped off. i think it's important to point out, i don't think this is happening at the very highest level. i don't think general car nirks the head of the army or general pasha knows about this. but that's even worse. because what it suggestion is that there are elements of the pakistani military that are infiltrated with this radical islamic ideology and they're being insubordinate. they have become rogue elements within the pakistani military. this is very disturbing. most of us always believed for all its problems the pakistani military was a professional military. >> we've always talked about lower-level elements in the i.s.i. or military that may have

connections but now a big dear general, highest-ranking senior officer arrested in pakistan and being held for links to a band group in pakistan. >> yeah. this is quite striking. for the reason you say, very senior guy, a brigadier general, and with a very nasty organization. >> it's called -- i had never heard of it. called hizba ul tarir? >> strange organization founded in the 1950s in jerusalem. really one of the original pan-islamic terrorist organizations in a way a role model for al qaeda. very strong in central asia. >> they want u.s. troops out of pakistan, out of the region, and muslim -- >> exactly. there goes pretty much al qaeda's goals. kalifad, a hard-line snoony organization. they don't believe in women being educated. it's about as extreme as you can get. musharef tried to ban them. but in pakistan they haven't

done any real violence yet. so a court ordinary overturned the ban. it said this is jut free speech. but still they're a very nasty group. the fact that he would be tied to them suggest that there is again some international dimension to this as well. >> do you think his arrest is sort of an ol itch branch to the united states? or do you think it's in pakistan's best interests? >> no, i think it's precisely -- i don't know if it's an olive branch, but i think that cia and the obama administration have been pressing the pakistani military. i know that they've given them a list of specific things they want them to do. and among them are to try and figure out really who is infiltrated within the pakistani military, and they're trying to deliver on those things. it is in pakistan's best interests. but unfortunately that is not always how the pakistani military sees it. >> were you surprised by the announcement of the levels of the troop withdrawal that wei going to be seeing or allegedly will be seeing in afghanistan? >> i am not surprised, because i think obama's heart was always

more with joe biden. if you remember there was this debate. biden wanted a much smaller troop presence in afghanistan and a focus on counterterrorism. petraeus and gates said no, let's go in there and do the surge. i think that obama really was more in biden's camp, but the military outfoxed him by leaking their recommendations and democratic president can't go against certainly a military advisor like petraeus. >> so you think he was more wanting the counterinsurgency strategy? >> i think so. i think his basic view is that we have too large a military footprint in these places, that what we need to do is draw down and broadly rebalance american foreign policy away from this massive investment in afghanistan, iraq, and the broader middle east. he wants to move to dealing with issues relating to the rise of china, india, russia, and this i think means that you stay bogged down.

because when you have those many troops in a country, anderson as you know, 90% of the president's time ultimately is taken up where american troops are. >> fareed zakara, appreciate it. quick reminder, president obama speaking on afghanistan tomorrow night from the white house 8:p.m. cnn will start carrying is live 8:00 eastern time. we'll have details on "anderson cooper 360" at 10:00 you probably heard newt gingrich and his wife had a line of credit at tiffany's up to -- you're not going to believe how much this next credit line at tiffany's was. later a potential bombshell in the casey anthony's trial. george anthony's potential mistress could be testifying as early as tomorrow in the case. she was outside the courtroom today. we'll also have the latest on the daen nay testimony when we continue. 5. start with soup then have salad and biscuits followed by 1 of 7 delicious entrees and finish with something sweet all for just $15. right now at red lobster.

tdd# 1-800-345-2550 are still talking about retirement tdd# 1-800-345-2550 like it's some kind of dream. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 it's either this magic number i'm supposed to reach, or... tdd# 1-800-345-2550 it's beach homes or it's starting a vineyard. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 come on ! tdd# 1-800-345-2550 just help me figure it out tdd# 1-800-345-2550 in a practical, let's-make- this-happen kind of way. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 a vineyard ? schwab real life retirement services is personalized, tdd# 1-800-345-2550 practical help that's focused on making your retirement real. open an account today and talk to chuck tdd# 1-800-345-2550 about setting up your one-on-one consultation. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 ♪ i like your messy hair ♪ i like the clothes you wear ♪ i like the way you sing ♪ and when you dance with me ♪ you always make me smile [ male announcer ] we believe you're at your best when you can relax and be yourself. and at thousands of newly refreshed holiday inn hotels, you always can. holiday inn. stay you. and now stay rewarded with vacation pay. stay two weekend nights and get a $75 prepaid card. and now stay rewarded with vacation pay. [ indistinct conversations ]

[ hissing ] agents, what did we learn here today? that lint balls are extremely flammable! well, yeah. and that 15,000 dryer fires happen every year! that's why it's important to regularly clean and inspect your vents! correct. where did you get that?! i built it. [ male announcer ] we are insurance. ♪ we are farmers ♪ bum, ba-da-bum, bum, bum, bum ♪

tonight keeping them honest followup. we told you last week about the murder of border patrol agent brian terry. that's brian right there. he was killed in a gun fight along the arizona-mexico border last december. the weapon used to kill him was purchased in the united states, but what's really stunning is that it was incontinuationly allowed into mexico by u.s. authorities. see it was an operation called fast and furious. the idea was to monitor gun trafficking, link them to mexican drug cartels and then make arrests in mexico. but once the sales were made, atf whistle blowers say that agents had actually no way of knowing where the guns ended up. and unbelievably, their mexican counterparts, who were supposed to make the arrests, they were never even told about this operation.

so a program meant to stop gun smuggling actually -- no one in the u.s. government has admitted they aprove this program and no one has taken responsible. the acting director of the bureau after alcohol, tobacco and firearms kenneth nelson is expected to resign in the next day or two. keeping them honest tonight, he may just be the fall guy. drew griffin of the special investigations unit joins us. drew, attorney general eric holder was grilled about this program back in may. >> you probably heard about fast and furious for the first time over the last few weeks. >> now that you've been briefed on it, the president has said on march 22nd that he didn't authorize it. did your deputy attorney general james cole authorize it? >> my guess would be no, mr. cole i don't think was in the -- i think -- i don't think he was in the department at the time that operation started.

>> how about the head of the criminal division, lanny brewer? did he authorize it? >> i'm not sure whether mr. brewer authorized it. >> no one seems to know who authorized this. border agent brian terry, drew, was murdered back in december of 2010. considering the atf is part of the justice department, does anyone buy that holder wasn't aware of the program when agent terry was murdered or even before? >> reporter: you know, i've been on the phone talking to some of these atf agents today. i've talked to them over the weekend. it's really hard for them to imagine that holder wasn't at least briefed about it. this was a major operation, anderson. and quite frankly, up in the disastrous death of brian terry, this they thought was going to be a big hit or a home run for them. they were going to arrest cartel members. that would have required a lot of approval. a lot of approval for overtime just to do the surveillance, wiretaps, surveillance video being done, all that requires approval up the chain all way into the department of justice.

and to the boots on the ground it's unimaginable that high up people in the department of justice, including holder himself, at least didn't know about it. >> so now you have the acting director of the arc tf, kenneth nelson, expected to step down in the next day or two because of this program. is he just the fall guy? >> reporter: he seems to be being set up that way. the question i think to ask is, for justice, does this end? justice is obviously trying to get this behind them as quickly as possible. if they can replace kenneth nelson, get somebody else in there and try to smooth this over with congress, they think they can move on with their own internal investigation and maybe come out with something in a few months. but members of congress say no way. congressman darrel issa, hezbollah of the house oversight committee is going to press hard. we got a statement from republican chuck grassley. he said "it would be a shame if the justice department makes mr.

nelson the only fall guy for this disastrous strategy. there's plenty of blame to go around at both the atf and justice department. a resignation by the acting director would be, by no means, the end of our inquiry". grassley also said he'd be interested in hearing what melson has to say to him after he is kicked out of justice as we all believe will happen. >> when president obama and eric holder were asked about the program, they both pointed to an investigation as being conducted by the inspector general of the justice department. do we have any idea when the findings of that are going to be released? >> reporter: we don't. there's a big complaint. the members of congress think they're being stone walled. we've gone over this. why does it take five, six months to find out who in your own department approved anything. you know, that should be a decision that you can come back with in five minutes. but the stonewalling according to congress continues while atf and the department of justice try to fix this. >> drew, appreciate the followup. we'll continue to follow it coming up new twists in the casey anthony trial. why the alleged mistress of casey's father, george anthony, is expected in court tomorrow.

we'll have the latest from ordinary. first randi kay has a 360 bulletin. >> reporter: an unmanned u.s. navy helicopter went down while on a nato surveillance mission over libya. nato says it lost contact with the hospital this morning. libyan tv reported that it was a manned apache helicopter but nato says no apaches have been lost during the entire mission news gingrich apparently had at least two lines of credit at the jewelry store tiffanys. one worth as much as $1 million. about a month ago, financial disclosure forms for gingrich's wife showed they had a line of credit at the store for between a quarter and a half million dollars during 2005 and 2006. the campaign says the account has a zero balance and has been closed. republican john huntsman announced his bid for the presidency today at liberty state park in new jersey. huntsman is the former governor of utah and also served as u.s. ambassador to china under president obama. more than 10,000 firefighters are at work against

52 wildfires now burning in 12 states. the fires have burned almost 2200 square miles, nearly the size of delaware. u.s. forest service says the number of acres burned is three times the 10-year average and congresswoman gabrielle giffords's husband, mark kelly, is retiring from nasa and the u.s. navy effective october 1. kelly commanded the final flight of the space shuttle endeavor. he says he wants to be by giffords's side as she continues her recovery. meanwhile, scribner has announced it will publish the couple's memoir at a date to be determined, anderson. >> time now for the shot, randi. this is video from the calgary zoo in alberta. let's give it up for zola. >> zola is eight years old. the zoo says he loves to play in water as you can see. i think online there's music added. for some reason we don't have the music. >> there's like break dancing

music online. >> their music was better. otherwise it just looked like she was getting ready to pop or something anderson, seeing zola even without the music? >> got us thinking. >> yes. that got us thinking as we like to say about your visit with the noble aprils last fall. there was no dancing involved but there was a bunny suit. >> yes. >> remember this? >> how could i -- this was the strangest -- yeah, the strangest experience i think i've had. is that you hopping around there? >> yes. it's like a -- yeah. apparently the apes wanted ice cube and eggs. all very strange, dresses like a rabbit. >> they told you to put that bunny suit on and you listened. >> i still think it was a plushy joke that i was being punked about. >> it's a good look for you. good look. >> thanks for bringing that up. i appreciate that. >> anytime. serious stuff coming up next, crime and punishment, day 24 in the casey anthony murder trial. the focus today, dna, duct tape

and plant growth at the site where caylee anthony's remains were found. meantime big news from the prosecution. plus george anthony's mistress may be called to testify as every as tomorrow. we'll talk to you about what she may say also ahead the death of ryan dunn. the autopsy report is now out on tv's jack ass. we have details on that. k of po. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say.

crime and punishment tonight.

new twist in the casey anthony trial. word tonight that george anthony's alleged mistress may take the witness stand tomorrow morning. her name is crystal hol laway, the woman who says she had an affair with mr. anthony. she told police one thing, she told the national enquirer something else. it's an affair george anthony denies. this woman told an orlando television station she'd been subpoenaed to appear in court at 8:30 a.m. holloway said she's prepared to testify about what she says mr. anthony told her in 2008 before his granddaughter's remains were found. >> what did george tell you about that? >> that it was an accident that snowballed out of control. i don't believe that george picked the body up like they said. i think it was an accident. >> well, more on this development in just a moment. first though, day 24 in the trial. today the defense called a string of expert witnesses to testify about dna and duct tape and leaves. but the question is, did the testimony actually help or hurt the defense's case? gary tuchman was in the courtroom. he joins us now. >> reporter: casey anthony often

covers her mouth in court when she talks to her attorneys. she doesn't want others to read her lips. but if she was asking how the day was going, a candid answer would have been "not so great". >> my name is richard -- >> reporter: the defense is now calling its witnesses. this is the time where anthony's attorneys have the best chance to bolster their case. dna scientist richard eichlenblum was asked about the absence of caylee's anthony dna found on her skull. the answer because no dna was found that means it was put on the skull after the crime, after her body decomposed by someone other than her mother. >> if you would put tape on a face you would get -- it's very likely you would get dna. >> reporter: but prs have said after months in the woods dna disappeared a theory he did not deny when pushed in cross-examination. >> the dna could have simply degraded and decomposed, correct? dl that is possible. >> reporter: the defense also called a government chemist to try to discredit the prosecution finding that poisonous clear row form was in casey anthony's car trunk.

but the jury heard this. >> clear row form seemed very unusual to me. >> reporter: and then there was another defense witness, bottom annist jane balk. anthony's attorneys are trying to convince the jury somebody tampered with caylee anthony's body and dumped it in the woods a couple weeks before it was found. defense attorney dorothy clay sims asked her. >> can you tell me whether or not you have formed an opinion as to the shortest period of time that remains of caylee anthony could have been at the scene in which they were found? >> yes. two weeks. >> and what is the basis for your opinion? >> because of the pattern of the leaf litter. >> reporter: but the prosecution got her to sing a different tune, too. >> are you presenting the opinion that that growth into the bone could have occurred in two weeks in december?

>> i suspect so, but i'm no expert on bones. >> it's also possible it wa there for a great deal longer than two weeks. >> yes. >> reporter: casey anthony's defense is that her daughter accidentally drowned in the swimming pool and that casey's father conspired with her to keep the death a secret. with that in mind, listen to this attention-getting statement made by the prosecution in court. it was made outside the presence of the jury. the prosecution had just learned about something that happened to an inmate who was in the same jail as casey anthony. >> apparently her child died in a swimming pool and was found by the child's grandfather. >> reporter: there is no evidence yet the two women had talked to each other. but the prosecution will investigate whether it's possible casey anthony made up a story based on the true story of another woman. >> it's interesting, gary, how hard a time the defense is having in this case to even kind of make their own case. >> reporter: you know, anderson, the defense is swimming against a strong tide. we've seen over the last few

weeks a lot of circumstantial evidence. but they've also put themselves in a box, defense attorneys, because of the opening statement where they say casey's daughter drowned and then casey decided inexplicably not to say anything about it. and it's a crazy statement. it's a crazy defense. i use the word crazy purposely. if it's 100% true it's still crazy. who does something like that? so the jurist certainly expecting to hear something about that. this trial's been going on for weeks and they haven't heard anything about that. in addition, anderson, you have prosecutors who are at the top of their game. you have a judge who is very smart. he's gentle and strict at the same time and he's very careful not to allow any inadmissible testimony or questions to come in via the lawyers. so far it's the defense lawyers who have had most of the inadmissible questions. >> gary, thanks very much for the update. today is the first we've heard during the trial about this woman, april whalen whose child apparently died in a swimming pool. i spoke with dr. michael hunter, forensic pathologist and chief medical examiner in panama city, florida.

>> as we heard from gary, this woman april whalen in the same jail as casey for a brief period of time had a very similar story to hers about her own son drowning in the family pool being found by his grandfather. what more do we know about this? do we know if there really was a link between her and casey? >> no. and that's what prosecutors are investigating right now. they said today in court outside of the presence of the jury that a citizen had actually called the orange county sheriff's department to report this, that an april whalen an inmate back in 2009 a couple cells done from casey anthony, that in 2007 on christmas day her little son that was close in age to caylee actually drowned in the family swimming pool about 2:20 in the afternoon. the child had disappeared for 20 minutes. the whole family was out trying to find her little son. and it was the grandfather that found the little boy deceased in

the pool. so the issue is, april has said she never spoke to casey. she never told casey. never even met casey. but she said she did talk with some other inmates and told them about her son. so could casey have overheard that? could the other inmates have told casey? and in so doing would casey have then got an story, a fictional fantasy story about an accidental drowning? >> right, and even though the prosecution's rested they can call her as a witness later on. dr. hunter, the forensic bottom nift seemed unsure about the length of time that caylee's remains were at the crime scene before they were found. is there any way to know for sure how long they were there? >> i don't think so. as far as time of death goes, what a forensic pathologist can do is looks look at the remains early on and give a good estimation. the intermediatiate range is going to be the entomologist's field. he's going to be able to look at

the remains, look at the insect infestation going on and look at the life cycle of insects to gave estimation at least within that week to two weeks to maybe a little bit longer time frame. the botanist can go out further than the entomologist. he can look at what's going on around where the victim is subsequently found, the growth around where the skeletal remains are found. the deposits on the skeletal remains, the leaf material, other types of material that may settle, and provide an opinion. >> jean, how well do you think the defense's experts, the forensic experts, the pathologist, the botanist, how well do you think they are doing to disprove the prosecution's experts? >> here's the thing, anderson there. were some renounced experts on the side of the defense. but as they testify and especially on cross-examination it appears as though they don't know the facts of the case. they don't know what the defense believes to be the case or

factually is the case. so when it comes to cross-examination and the facts are brought out by the prosecution, they become prosecution witnesses. and i think the challenge for the defense with these forensic witnesses is immense in this case. >> jean, also george anthony's alleged mistress was subpoenaed. what is the defense going to try to prove with her testimony? >> i saw her in the hallway today. well, here's what she testified to authorities. she said in a sworn deposition that george anthony had told her -- and by the way, she denies any affair in the sworn testimony before law enforcement, but she came out public to the national enquirer saying she had an affair. but she said under oath that george anthony said to her in an intimate moment that this was an accident that snowballed out of control. but was that just wishful thinking on the part of george around any, or did he even say it at all? >> you said jean today the mood in the court was especially sad.

>> you know, today was a tough day. jurors were taking notes, but as the day went on they got restless, they got listless. and you know, the forensic experts possibly could cancel each other out. they really could. because you're seeing inconsistencies. and you know, jurors could rely on in the end is the smell in the trunk, that witness after witness that has experience with deceased bodies could smell the decomposition odor from casey anthony's trunk. >> dr. hunter that is i guess the dawning danger when you have duelling experts like this they kind of cancel each other out and people go with the explanation that seems most basic or simple, a smell in the trunk they can relate to. >> you've got to keep in mind, witnesses for the prosecution, those experts, they really have to testify to a higher standard. they're testifying beyond a reasonable doubt. the witnesses for the defense, these experts, they really have to bring in the question of what's possible. you know, when you open up what

is possible, then you have arguments that can come about. you have a lot more that i think the defense can work with. possible does not rise to the level that i think the prosecutors really need to get in a case like this. >> very interesting stuff. dr. michael hunt, thanks jean cazarez as well up next, how much would you pay for a gun that once belonged to the gangster al capone? wait until you hear what one auction house hopes to rake in when it sells one of its revolvers and you'll meet the 51-year-old actor who married a 16-year-old aspiring singer, actress. and while they may be getting criticized for their decision, tonight we're adding their haters on the ridiculist. a spark might come from -- a touch, a glance -- it can come along anywhere, anytime. and when it does, men with erectile dysfunction can be more confident in their ability to be ready with cialis for daily use. cialis for daily use is a clinically proven

low-dose tablet you take every day, so you can be ready anytime the moment's right even if it's not every day. tell your doctor about your medical condition and all medications and ask if you're healthy enough for sexual activity. don't take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. [ man ] do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than 4 hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, stop taking cialis and call your doctor right away. [ male announcer ] ask your doctor if cialis for daily use is right for you. for a 30-tablet free trial offer, go to cialis.com. and i was a pack-a-day smoker for 25 years. i do remember sitting down with my boys, and i'm like, "oh, promise mommy you'll never ever pick up a cigarette." i had to quit. ♪ my doctor gave me a prescription for chantix, a medication i could take and still smoke, while it built up in my system.

[ male announcer ] chantix is a non-nicotine pill proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these symptoms or behaviors, stop taking chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems, which could get worse while taking chantix. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. if you develop serious allergic or skin reactions, stop taking chantix and see your doctor right away as some of these can be life-threatening. dosing may be different if you have kidney problems. until you know how chantix affects you, use caution when driving or operating machinery. common side effects include nausea, trouble sleeping and unusual dreams. ♪ my benjamin, he helped me with the countdown. "5 days, mom. 10 days, mom." i think after 30 days he got tired of counting! [ male announcer ] talk to your doctor to find out

if chantix is right for you. learn about the chantix challenge. chantix may not work for everyone. if you aren't quit after 12 weeks, we'll refund your cost of trying it. learn more at chantix.com. [bell tolls] - to best serve your customers, you have to know them. personally. only a local agent can do that. [click, motor hums] - doug pierce. lives in tornado alley. - hobby? - collects stamps. - excellent. - annette thompson. small business owner. hates cantaloupe. - good. - the lee family: twins. with another on the way. - mazel tov. - that's meatloaf. - hmm. [click] that's still meatloaf. - very good. moving on. - we are insurance. - ♪ we are farmers ♪ bum di bum bum bum bum bum ♪ ♪ i like your messy hair ♪ i like the clothes you wear ♪ i like the way you sing ♪ and when you dance with me ♪ you always make me smile [ male announcer ] we believe you're at your best when you can relax and be yourself. and at thousands of newly refreshed

holiday inn express hotels, you always can. holiday inn express. stay you. and now stay rewarded with vacation pay. stay two weekend nights and get a $75 prepaid card. unlike fish oil, megared softgels are small and easy to swallow with no fishy smell or aftertaste. try megared today. love and marriage of a 51-year-old actor and his 16-year-old bride. first randi kay has another 360 bulletin. >> reporter: leon panetta will be the next secretary of defense. the senate approved panetta's nomination in a unanimous vote of 100-0. he currently meds the cia. at the pentagon he'll succeed robert gates who's resigning in 10 days an autopsy report shows jackass star ryan dunn died in his car with blunt and thermal trauma. he was driving his car when it

crashed and caught on fire in pennsylvania early sunday morning. police think speed was a factor in the crash. they won't know for several weeks when toxicology reports come back if alcohol was also involved. a -- and a handgun once owned by notorious gangster al capone is going up for sale tomorrow in london. the auction house chrsti's is selling the.30 special revolver. chrsti's expects the winning bidder to cough up at least $80,000. >> randi, time for the ridiculist. tonight we're adding those heartless folks who are criticizing the love between this actor and his new bride. i'm talking about a guy named doug hitch is son. apparently he was in a movie "the green mile" and had small roles on "lost kwgds and the x files". he's 51 years old. a few weeks ago in las vegas he married a 16-year-old girl.

now, a lot of people are making a bunch of noise about how the girl, courtney sto trngz ten, is a mine for and how there's a 35 year age difference between them. blah blah blah. i don't see what the big deal is. the wedding was on may 20th according to my calendar. that was a friday. so she probably only had to miss one day of high school. what was she going to miss in 11th grade, anyway? algrebra? it gets me thinking who is this young lady who found true love with a character actor in his early 50s. like a lot of 16-year-old she has a you tooub channel where she posts video, probably talks about her homework and getting her driver's license and justin bieber and stuff. let's take a look. >> when i'm a walking, talking, when i walk by it's not my thoughts you can't control. >> oh. goodness. well, i'm sure there's more to her than just that.

>> don't put it on me, girl. don't put it on me, girl, no. don't put it on me, girl. don't. >> well now, a lot of people are suggesting that someone should have told courtney don't marry that guy. but guess what, romance haters? her parents gave their permission. they're not those uptight parents that don't let their teenage daughter stay up past 11, or make music videos on boats or marry someone three times they're their age. her mom said they're totally supportive of this marriage. and her dad who says his son-in-law is the nicest man i've ever met in my life. they also instilled morals in their daughter. here's one more of her you tooub videos. >> i have never done pornography. i never will. about myself, i am a christian girl. i hold my faith very tightly. >> believe me. you learn how to hold things very tightly when you go to the beach wearing nothing but

american flag. i like that at age 16 she makes it a point of pride that she's never done pornography. that's like basically saying i'm about to do porn og fichlt or i inhe taebl will do pornography but i haven't done it yet. i wonder if her parents booked her for that photo shoot. they are so cool. >> i'm a virgin and i plan to stay that way until i am married. >> okay. a little bit of an overshare. but i'll say this about courtney. she likes to keep it real. >> my breasts are real. everything about me is real. my harris real, my teeth are real, my eyelashes are real, my breasts are totally real. you know, believe it or not but they are. >> did she mention that her breasts are real? i think she mentioned twice. you know what's is real? their love is real. courtney, i wish you nothing but the best in your singing career and your marriage. but if it doesn't work out, someone's recently back on the market. and to all you haters, remember age is only a number. 51 just a number. 16, just a much much much smaller number.

ain't love grand? so to all you doubters and haters, don't be too hard on these love birds until the divorce with the inevitable reality show about the divorce comes out. until then to you on the but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time. [ female announcer ] ensure muscle health has revigor and protein to help protect, preserve, and promote muscle health. keeps you from getting soft. [ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrition in charge! ♪ [ male announcer ] what is the future of fuel? the debate is over. ♪ lexus hybrid drive technology is designed to optimize any fuel source on the planet. even those we don't use yet. because when you pursue perfection,

you don't just engineer a future-proof hybrid system. you engineer amazing. ♪ you enso i takeazing. one a day men's 50+ advantage. as a manager, my team counts on me to stay focused. it's the only complete multivitamin with ginkgo to support memory and concentration. plus it supports heart health. [ bat cracks ] that's a hit. one a day men's. [ kimberly ] the university gave me the knowledge to make a difference in peoples' lives. [ carrie ] you're studying how to be an effective leader. [ cherie ] you're dealing with professionals, teaching things that they were doing everyday. [ kimberly ] i manage a network of over a thousand nurses. [ carrie ] i helped turn an at-risk school into an award-winning school. [ cherie ] i'm responsible for the largest urban renewal project in utah. [ kimberly ] and university of phoenix made it possible. learn more at phoenix.edu.