isn't that a good start? there were some reforms. >> well, there were some reforms. if farmers who are dead are still getting subsidies -- which we have also shown -- i don't think the reforms have gone far enough. >> all right. thanks so much. ken cook from san francisco. appreciate it. that's all from us tonight . "the arena" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us "in the arena." eliot spitzer is off tonight. i'm tom foreman sitting in. president obama says it's time for american soldiers to start leaving afghanistan. he says that country must now take care of itself. well, we can hope, but i can also tell you washington is positively boiling with reaction to the plans and let's be honest, the man who leads afghanistan has not always

inspired confidence. americans have describeded karzai as dishonest, mentally ill. karzai has calleded us name, too, like occupiers, but it seemed all was forgiven today in a fascinating interview with fareed zakaria. the afghan president said in essence, don't let the door hit you on the way out. >> i can confirm to you today and i have had this confirmed that security in parts of the country has improve d and life s better now. >> karzai says he's happy but minutes later some of the old anger begins to emerge. >> for a number of years we took casualties and we were silent. but then the war did not go in the direction that we advised, that we felt should go.

but our casualties kept increasing. the afghans need a return to normal life. the afghans need to see progress and an end in sight. this war can't go on forever. no nation can take casualties forever. >> hamid karzai and his country, afghanistan, are a study in contradictions. in a moment, fareed will give us more impression from the exclusive interview. don't miss it. first, a look at some of the other stories i will be drilling down on tonight. the president and gay marriage. mr. obama in manhattan for a lesbian and gay fundraiser. meanwhile, in new york's capital they are voting on same-sex marriage. coincidence? in politics, there is no such thing. and slavery. it didn't end with the civil war. 40,000 slaves in america, many of them children. is it time for a new emancipation proclamation? then the repeal of prohibition.

in the '20s it was booze. now it's marijuana. hear from one half of cheech & chong. guess which side he's on. this is a night when there is so much going on. let's go to the top story first. afghan president hamid karzai is the crucial factor and perhaps the weak link in our success or failure in afghanistan. that's just a fact. in a worldwide exclusive interview cnn's fareed zakaria spoke to him today in an interview that will air sunday morning on "fareed zakaria gps". >> what was karzai's reaction to the president's speech here? >> it was surprising in that he seemed completely comfortable with the drawdown, with the fact that american troops were going to reverse the surge. i thought he might express some

unease about it. hamid karzai, i think, realizes there is no purely american, purely military solution to his problems. he's resigned to that. >> he's been critical of the american presence there. some might say, i would expect him to be happy we are getting out. >> when there is outrage about civilian casualties he says that. but then he asks for more american troops, greater endurance. so i don't think he really is -- look, the american troops are protecting his government. obviously protecting him personally. he would prefer more rather than less but seems to come to the grips that he won't have more. i think it's been a mistake for the administration to condemn him, raise doubts about him. look, the alternative to hamid karzai is not george washington or winston churchill. the alternative to karzai would be another afghan leader of

questionable competence, stability and high ethical standards. we are not choosing the ideal leader here. >> you have hinted at the notion that a military solution to what's happening there isn't the end. there has to be more where does hamid karzai stand in terms of the civilian outreach that results in peace that can outlive the presence of guns? >> he seems to have come to terms with it. he seems to have realized that a negotiated political settlement with the taliban is inevitable. i think there was a hope that you could crush the taliban and perhaps with, i don't know, half a million troops, i doubt it. remember, the soviets were there for a long time as well. the taliban represent a large part of the community in afghanistan which make up half the population. you are talking about a large indigenous force. these are home-grown afghans.

they're not going anywhere. the way civil wars end is you negotiate with the other side and bring them back in, in some way. karzai seems to recognize that this will happen. the trick is everyone seems to recognize it, but nobody wants to make the concessions that will make it happen. >> you say the taliban isn't going anywhere. one problem is the taliban has been going into pakistan. right now our relations with pakistan aren't good. if we back out of afghanistan and they keep playing both sides of the border, how do we not end up in three years where we were ten years ago which is to say they now have free range to do what they want? >> you hit it on the central dilemma which is why, in my opinion, the number of troops, the pace of withdrawal doesn't matter. the end of the day, the pakistani military is the largest force in the region. 600,000 troops, very powerful military with deep connections to the taliban.

they know one day we'll leave. so can we get the pakistanis to recognize they should be a force for stability? that's far more important than whether we leave 30,000 troops in afghanistan because at the end of the day the pakistanis will have the trump card. they have the safe havens, the relationships with the taliban and if they intend to play the destabilizing role, i don't know what we can do about it. it's a conversation between washington and islamabad that's important, not kabul. >> if you had to predict, do you think that three or four years from now we'll be able to say this is what we gained by being in afghanistan or do you think we'll be saying, we don't know what we got out of this?

>> i don't think afghanistan will go back to a 2001 scenario. the taliban are different from al qaeda. they were sheltering them in 2001. they learned their lesson. al qaeda is weak. so i think we can say we are safer now. al qaeda is a much diminished force and the taliban that have returned are very different and do not have global jihadist aims. they don't want to kill americans. that will have to be enough. i don't think we can get more which would be a stable afghanistan that was a functioning democracy with a government in full control of its borders and a shining example of nation-building. none of that is likely to happen. >> let's hope that's enough for all the american families and the other coalition forces families who have been there fighting. fareed, thanks for being with us. >> pleasure. >> now to the reviews on the president's afghanistan plan. they are not so good.

in fact it's like an old country song. last thing you needed the first thing this morning was to wake up to headlines like these. take a look at these. consider the feedback from the left and right. i'm disappointed, joe lieberman. john mccain, not the modest withdrawal i hoped for. too little too late, ron paul. we will continue to press for a better outcome, nancy pelosi. far too slow a pace, barbara boxer. david gergen has serious questions about the speech. in a nutshell, why is everyone so unhappy? >> well, it really is strange, isn't it? the president and his people felt they were splitting the difference. this will be the goldilocks speech. not too hot or too cold, just right. they are all piling on here. i'm not surprised by the republican side.

particularly john mccain. what surprised me about the democrats, they normally try to swallow their differences and say, he got bin laden. he's been a great president. >> why did they do it? couldn't they see it coming? >> i think they must have seen it -- yeah, they briefed people, so they must have known it was coming. i think they feel it will play better in the long run. we have not heard public opinion. it may be stronger in favor of the president than people in washington. i will tell you i think the way the chem.s piled on this way is likely to lower the approval rating in the public. >> this looked for a lot of people like a political decision. seems it's one of the kegs of dynamite here to negotiate.

>> sure. >> because in the campaigns, all the candidates -- barack obama included -- saluted the ideas of the generals should decide. the generals say, we don't want to do it this way but he says, yeah, we need to. >> we agree with the generals until we don't. that's the view here. i think that's what's caused the president some problems here. when he made the decision to make the surge he was listening to the secretary of state, advisers, secretary of defense. he overruled vice president biden and a lot of political people and the white house and went for a bigger surge than they wanted. now it's just the reverse. people who have been persuasive as president biden and political advisers and has given credence to the idea that it's politically motivated. >> this particular area of foreign affairs, foreign policy is something presidents have to trade very gently on in

political terms. >> i may be old-fashioned but in the white house, since i have been engaged in this for the last 40 years, traditionally presidents listen to the team on foreign issues. military advisers and so forth. they have the domestic people there. but the foreign policy team really determines the course. and in particular in this case, here we have general david petraeus who is one of the most successful generals we have had in modern times. by the way, the man who turned around iraq with a surge and was trying to turn around afghanistan with a surge that seemed to be working and petraeus himself wants to wind it down. the question is how to wind it down. he has a set of recommendations he thinks have the best chance of success. the president says no. that's where i got off the train. every president i have known would have said, i know the

polls -- this is not popular. it's costing us something. i'm not going to bend with the winds of public opinion. i'm going to persuade the public. having just killed bin laden, i thought he had a lot of political capital to persuade the country to go with him with the petraeus recommendation. >> i wonder if the president would like to get off the train this week. this has not been a good week. today he had the republicans backing away from the debt talks and ben bernanke said the economy is not as strong as it might be. he released oil. we're going to talk about these things later in the show. this has been a rough week for barack obama. >> no good news out there now for him. his numbers are sagging again a little bit. i was most distressed. we knew the economic performance would go down. everybody's been lowering the numbers. when bernanke lowered the numbers that was consistent with what others were doing. the surprise was that

republicans pulling out of the deficit talks with vice president biden. that was a big development, a bad blow for the country, frankly. >> is that the republicans jumping on the president in trouble or do you think it's something that would have happened anyway? >> i don't think it was related to the president per se. i take them at their word. there was just a deepening and very stiff disagreement within the group. now eric cantor pulled out and then jon kyl pulled out. they basically said, we're leaving the talks until the democrats stop pushing for the tax increases. >> let me ask you. when you look at all the issues -- economic issues, domestic policy issues, foreign policy issues, everything else -- i think looking at the numbers and saying, this is exactly the race that president obama should be running a year from now. >> there is little one can see out in the future that rooks promising. in other words, the jobs are not going to come quickly.

so the rate will come down slowly. there is no stimulus out there with the fed or the congress. he will have a hard time getting agreements on the deficits. i imagine we'll be in for short-term patches. >> so -- >> where do you find the good news? the bin laden thing was -- if he gets a bin laden in october of next year that could change things. >> if there is such a thing. for now the good news for him is it's preseason. at least he can say it's practice for what's coming up later. >> that's true. the country now is in a funk. the president wants to give people hope. >> we'll see if he can pull it off. >> i hope for the sake of the country we can get on top again. >> we hope you will come back again. coming up in a moment, breaking news. president obama is in new york tonight at a fundraiser attended by the gay community and he has

made what sounds like a statement in favor of gay marriage. but not so fast. details in a moment. first, edie hill is with us to talk about what she's working on tonight. e.d.? >> coming up, over a century after the civil war, slavery is flourishing here in america. people paid little to nothing to pay a job instead of americans. who's guilty and is there anything we can do to stop it? that's coming up. >> thanks so much, e.d. we look forward to it. stick with us. the president talking about gay marriage -- kind of -- here in new york tonight. that's when we come back. hmmm, you can't do that. but you can do this. bengay pain relief + massage with penetrating nubs plus the powerful pain relief of bengay. love the nubs! at 190 miles per hour, the wind will literally lift ordinary windshield wipers off the glass. so, did we build a slower car?

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a lot is going on tonight. minutes ago in new york, president obama spoke at a fund-raising gala sponsored by the gay community. it was just the latest chapter in his confused relationship with the gay community. it started in 1996 when he signed a questionnaire saying he supports gay marriage. when he ran for president in 2008 he said marriage should be between a man and a woman. tonight, listen to what he had to say.

>> i believe that discrimination because of somebody's sexual orientation or gender identity ran counter to who we are as a people. it's a violation of the basic tenets on which this nation was founded. i believe that gay couples deserve the same legal rights as every other couple in this country. >> i'm joined by someone who was at the gala tonight. welcome. i heard the cheer from the audience there. was that the real reaction of the crowd? >> there were definitely people excited to hear the words. i was in the audience and there were a lot of people sitting down, too. >> you're a wordsmith. you do a lot of writing. i read the words and thought, this is notable for what it's not saying as much as what it is saying. >> you know, he has to do this dance.

there are too many swing states he could lose votes in if he says the words "gay marriage." i think he understands it. it's disappointing for a lot of gay people to hear but he's pushing as close as he can get to use the sound bite it is republicans will use the entire year. >> at the same time the reason people vote for somebody in any group is to say, when the moment comes, be bold. stand up and say it if it costs you the presidency, that's a good thing to lose the presidency for. >> it all depends upon the topic. this is an issue close to my heart as a gay man. i want my president to support me. if he doesn't get back in office there are candidates who made it clear during the gop debates that they will reverse the good things he's done for the glb community if they were to get into office. >> let me ask you a question

about the practical politics. with the way the nation's views have evolved on this, the president himself says his views are evolving. >> right. >> as the nation's views have evolved do you think even on the republican side that they could make these things reverse? just like he may not be able to push it forward, are you sure they can push it back? >> i'm sure they can get involved with a social issue discussion to prevent us from getting things we all need to concentrate on like creating jobs. they can muddy things with congress. in 2010 they were supposed to focus on jobs. what did they do? obama care. when they get into the white house -- >> in fairness he's supposed to be focusing on jobs, too. >> that's true. i think an argument is like saving money through health care reform, you are saving jobs and maybe not creating them but saving them. >> let me ask you a simple phrase.

as a member of the gay community, somebody who's interested in this, has he been the president that gays and lesbians voted for? >> i don't think he's been the president any of the voters voted for. not just the glbt community. there are a lot of people disappointed with some of his policies, some of the compromises. >> what about don't ask, don't tell? seemed to take forever to engage that. >> right. >> i think a lot of people in the community were saying, we thought this would be up front. it was easy. just do it. >> but it wasn't. people really weren't concentrating on the political process. he couldn't sign an executive order. he needed the process. you can't say the president said it, so it's so. there are congressional seats that are important. that's part of 2012 as well. if you want gay marriage we have to talk about congressional seats. even if he says, i support gay marriage, he just has a

statement. >> let me ask you a strategic thing that interests me. often i think that when any group gets in the pocket of one party they lose all their power because the party then says we've got the gay and lesbian votes sewn up. we don't have to do a thing for them because they are not going to the republicans. is there a moment when you sit around and talk and say for political purposes maybe we should be talking to republicans about what they may do because maybe that puts pressure on the democrats to say, do something. don't take our votes for granted. >> i can't speak for everybody in the glbt community. but there were republicans that helped get don't ask, don't tell repealed. those conversations are happening. they aren't just selling out to one party or sacrificing political leverage, if you will. at the same time the gop is missing an opportunity here as well. there are a lot of independent voters who don't necessarily like the social politics but

don't agree with some of the economic things that president obama has done. if the gop were at least cognizant enough to say, you know, maybe if we said this language without saying gay marriage, maybe we can get the voters as well. >> about a quarter of the glbt vote went to the republican candidate last time. john mccain got it. >> absolutely. >> i heard some people in the barack obama who voted in the glbt community said, i can't believe it. would you be a happier guy tonight if if the president said the words "gay mashlrriage"? >> yeah, absolutely. there are only so many times you can applaud a policy for second class citizenship. i understand why he's doing what he's doing. but at the end of the fund-raisers and rallies you're applausing for him saying you're a second class citizen. that will always rub me the wrong way. >> all right, lz granderson.

great to talk with you tonight. i'm sure we'll talk more. thanks for coming by. >> absolutely. >> when we come back, the wise guy from south boston finally gets nabbed. the long, strange story of james "whitey" bolger. you have to stay around to hear this. nation of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say. is best absorbed in small continuous amounts. only one calcium supplement does that in one daily dose. new citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d for the efficient absorption my body needs. citracal.

welcome back. i'm tom foreman sitting in for elliot spiot spitzer. after 16 years the fbi got their man. they did it by tracking down his woman. i'm talking about james "whitey" bolger, maybe the last of the big time gangsters, implicated in at least 19 murders. he was found last night in santa monica, california, along with his girlfriend, a half million in cash and a few dozen guns. his is a story of fbi corruption, persistence and the long-time vice grip he had on most of the crime in south boston. joining me to help with the

remarkable story is an award-winning reporter at wbor in boston who's been on the trail for two decades. why did it take you so long to track him down? thanks for joining us. >> you know, that's a good question. it's been asked ever since he left this town. it's because he corrupted the fbi here. their spectacular unsuccess in finding him drove the idea that they weren't serious in their intent or energy to find him. some thought they were protecting him. a lot of cynicism. they finally got their man, but it's been a long, long run. >> this is unbelievable. you brought up one of the key parts here. he was an fbi informant in addition to being a gangster and along the way he started working the ties very much to his advantage. talk to me about that. >> well, this is what makes him much, much different than most

mafia bosses. it also makes the treachery intense. his big career move was to understand that if he helped the fbi take out the italian faction, the mafia which was the national directive to take it out that he would put out of business his rivals. in return, he got from the fbi protection. it was both legal and illegal protection. he corrupted the bureau. basically bulger would like to say that he turned the federal bureau of investigation into the bulger bureau of investigation. the tentacles went inward. it was working for him. corrupt agents tipped him off. but even more stining was they tipped him off to informants who were going to inform on him. that led him sometimes with the help of fbi agents to eliminate those informants -- murdering. >> astonishing. he was using the fbi to

essentially do his intelligence work so he could cement his own position, warned by the fbi to take off when they were coming to get him. how did they catch him? >> that's a good question. the fbi is saying it was on cnn that somebody saw news coverage of their promotional campaign to find him and the calls came in. there was something like 250 calls that came in, tips that night. they were not airing the promo campaign. they didn't air those spots in los angeles. it was somebody that called in and said, i know where he is. >> and this highlighted his girlfriend, right? >> right. his girlfriend went on the road with him. when he took off in 1995, tipped off by his former fbi handler, he took off in 1995. he was on the road with his old girlfriend, decided to exchange

her for a new girlfriend and a new car. came back, went back out on the road again. there he's been for 16 years. often said he would be found in sunny climates. there were a number of leads in california. i have been there chasing leads. i have been to venice beach not far from santa monica. they thought he would be found there. he's been there 16 years and under the nose of the fbi. >> listen, tell me about what kind of guy this was. i have seen every episode of "the sopranos" and we have all seen "the godfather." we have a romantic notion of this. >> there is no tony soprano in this guy except for the bad part. this is a psychopath. unlike mafia dons he liked eto

kill. liked to be involveded. he strangled women, blew people's brains out, garroted people. it's stunning the cruelty of the guy. he was insane at what he did. he liked to look out at boston from south boston and say, i own this town. in many ways, he did. people were terrified of him. he got his way. law enforcement protected him. he was a killer on the loose. >> i could talk to you all night, david. we're almost out of time. with all the intricate relations he had with the fbi he was on the run for 16 years. do you think he had help? >> this is the big question when they bring him back. in court he was smiling, joking with reporters. that tells me one thing. he's ultimately very confident he can come back here and say, you know what, if i was such a bad guy why did they tip me off?

the question for him, my first question for him would be were you protected by the fbi? how many people warned you? who called you when you fled these different places when people thought you might be hiding out and were on your case? if he comes back and talks, he could explode this case even more and we'll have several more series not of reruns but new shows on the bulger case. >> thank sos much for your insights and talking with us tonight. a fascinating story. coming up, so you're looking for a new growth industry. you might want to try marijuana. seriously. if ron paul and barney frank have their way, the states could legalize pot. this is new news tonight. tommy chong of cheech & chong is all for it and he's not blowing smoke when we come back. host: could switchco ally save you 15% or more on car insurance?

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this is probably the most surprising story of the day. an unlike pair of political bedfellows on the war on drugs today. ron paul and democratic senator barney frank announced a bill that would, in effect, legalize marijuana by doing away with federal laws and leaving the pot problem up to the states. ron paul legalizing marijuana. go figure on that one. the feds will continue enforcing international and interstate drug smuggling laws. states would decide for

themselves whether citizens could grow and sell it. this is a long shot in terms of legislation but it is creating buzz. should we even consider legalizing pot? here to take sides are actor and marijuana activist tommy chong and paul chebeau, adviser to the clinton and second bush administrations. as far as i can tell, tommy, you have waited a lifetime for this to come along. how much confidence do you have that it will make it now? >> i don't have any confidence whatsoever. i think it's political. it's like the rest, you know? it's already legal. we have medical marijuana laws in california. we have dispensaries. we are already buying pot legally as far as the states go. so to me it's another -- it

makes me mad is what it does. >> hold on. i will ask you more and i will turn to paul. you're wearing a shirt that's a friend of yours, right? >> yeah. he's a canadian that the d.e.a. went into canada and arrested him for selling marijuana seeds over the internet or hemp seeds as they were called. >> you went to prison yourself. >> i went to prison for paraphernalia. it wasn't really for paraphernalia. in the indictment it said it was because i made movies like "up in smoke "that made fun of law enforcement agencies. yeah, i went to jail for that. >> you don't think the legislation has much chance and i think you're probably right. at the same time, do you like the idea that the discussion continues to happen at the federal level? >> definitely. but i would like to see it --

you know, it could be done in the blink of an eye. all president obama has to do is sign an executive order rescheduling marijuana from schedule 1 which says it has no medical use whatsoever to a schedule 2 which would allow it to be sold by prescription only. then we'd be all done. >> let me bring paul in. what's wrong with this legislation coming forward. we have seen medical marijuana approved in many places. what's wrong with this? >> it's disappointing to have two grown adults pushing a marijuana agenda. look, we have a lot of kids today falling s ining into the . this is a fringe movement and we won't see it going anywhere. let's address the point in california. we don't necessarily just have marijuana dispensaries. they are domestic cartels. over a thousand on the streets of l.a., more than starbucks,

7-11th and mcdonald's combined. we have more kids using marijuana than any other drug combineded. we know the science. it leads to anxiety, testicular cancer. shame on barney frank and ron paul. a big disappointment for american leadership. >> paul, you had a problem with this when you were 12. you went into rehab because of drinking and marijuana use. your own life is proof that laws don't stop the illegal trade in this. what do you make of that? >> i grew up watching cheech and chong smoking out. 90% of those in treatment don't quite make it. they are still addicts. i'm 36 today. 26 years of sobriety, but i'm fighting in the trenches. i'm a dad. i have three young kids at home.

it's what kind of country i want my little ones to grow up in. look at california. we defeated marijuana legalization last go around. we have woken up to the medical fraud marijuana problem that's skirted around the nation. times are changing. it will be back to community and family values. >> tommy, what is the thing -- >> first of all, let me ask him a question. do you know who montel williams is? >> i'm very disappointed -- i'm sorry. >> do you know montel williams? he has m.s. it's a debilitating disease he keeps under control by using marijuana. >> okay. >> melissa ethridge sufficien d -- suffered cancer and survived through the use of marijuana. >> got it. >> shut up for a minute. let me finish. >> very disappointing. >> it has medical use.

that lie you said where it has no medical use is a lie. >> hold on, tommy. >> the reason you tell the lie is because you're being paid to tell that lie. >> tommy, hold on. >> like the rest of the liars. >> hold on, tommy. one thing hire. look, the medical community has long said there are medical applications for it, but the concern for voters is not the medical application. >> we are talking about life threatening disease. >> it's not the medical application but other uses. >> listen, the kids die -- more kids die from obesity, from alcohol use, from traffic accidents. how many people have died from marijuana? tell me. >> i understand. >> tommy, look, two wrongs do not make a right. >> where's the wrong? no one died from marijuana. >> tommy, listen. >> where is the wrong here? >> first off, my heart goes out to you because you're an addict with a marijuana addiction.

>> i don't smoke it. >> let me address the point. >> i'm not smoking it. i've got proof that i don't spo smoke it. i haven't for two months. >> maybe you should put something in your mouth to be quiet for a few minutes. >> the thing about pot is you don't have to do it. you can quit without any medical help whatsoever. >> tommy, you have had your say and i appreciate it. paul, you get the last word here. >> let him have the last lie. come on. let's hear more lies. >> thank you. i appreciate that. look, we have a huge problem here in california. we have over a quarter million people that have medical marijuana i.d. cards. we know there is a product called marinol approved by the fda. it's thc is concentrated form. less than 2% of those in california use medical marijuana for any significant debilitating illness. most people use it in my state of california are young, healthy, under 25-year-olds.

it's a disappointment because we need to get them help and not send them mixed messages coming out of certain leaders in washington, d.c. today. >> okay. >> go get your paycheck. >> thanks for being here. we have to go. tommy and paul, we appreciate the conversation. i'm sure we'll have more as it goes on. up next on southwest airlines, they don't charge you for your bags or for the insults apparently. a pilot you may not want to fly with. that is when we come back. [ mal] what is the future of fuel? the debate is over. ♪ lexus hybrid drive technology is designed to optimize any fuel source on the planet. even those we don't use yet. because when you pursue perfection, you don't just engineer a future-proof hybrid system. you engineer amazing. ♪

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in depth tonight a shocking report on slavery here in the u.s. it is almost unimaginable, american businesses enticing foreign workers to the states and forcing them to stay without pay or even decent living conditions. all to avoid paying a fair wage to workers here at home. officials estimate as many as 17,000 slaves, half of them children, are trafficked into the u.s. each year. from hawaii and california to texas and mississippi, they toil as domestics, farmhands and prostitutes facing constant abuse with little hope for a better life. president of free the slaves joins us now as part of cnn's continuing freedom project. thanks for joining us, kevin. >> great to be here. thank you. >> is that estimate right?

17,000? >> to the best of our knowledge it's a hidden crime, very difficult to count. we think there could be something like 40,000 to 50,000 slaves in the united states at any one time. something like that number coming into the country each year. >> who are they? >> anybody really who's searching for an opportunity. the way you enslave someone in the united states is to offer them a job and a chance at a better life. >> we know there are plenty of people who sneak across the border into the country each year. are some people paying a huge sum to brokers as well? >> there are a number of legal ways for someone to come into the country. if they are enslaved after they arrive obviously that's not legal. but we have serious loopholes in some of the visa systems, the ones that help people to come here for the jobs we need workers for. >> what about companies that target illegal workers?

are they larger ones or the smaller ones? >> there are i have to say all sizes from mom and pop operations to pretty good-sized corporations. they tend to be called labor recruitment companies and to say to a farmer, i can take care of your labor problems. let me have a contract to contract out to workers. they go out, lure people in and enslave them. >> we go into a grocery store. you want to buy something made in america. oranges are growing in florida. how can you tell? is there a way to use our pocketbook to help the problem? >> there is no way to tell by looking at the produce in the grocery store. but if you live in an area where you can see people in the fields or people in the back of a restaurant, say a chinese

restaurant, or other low level, tough, dirty jobs, look again. those are people like maids in hotels we treat as if they are invisib invisible. >> this act is up for renewal. there is an attempt to address the problem. how did it not go far enough. >> anything to do with the visas which allow foreign workers to come in have not been a priority. we have come to understand lately how the visa system is being abused and why it needs more inspection and oversight to make sure people who use it legally aren't bothered but people who use it illegally are arrested. >> thank you for helping us understand more about the problem. appreciate it. >> i'm happy to. thank you. >> sunday at 8:00 p.m., join cnn's freedom project and actress demi moore for the world premiere of nepal's stolen children.