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some of them. others he allegedly murdered, tortured, enemies, associates, anyone who crossed him. 19 in all according to authorities. and all the while, all the while while he was killing others his handler in the fbi turned a blind eye to his blood luft. in fact it was this same fbi agent who alerted bulger that he was about to be indicted, sparking him to make a run for it. that was in 1994. since then there have been bulger sightings all around the world. but it was here in a rent controlled apartment on a modest street in santa monica california where agents arrested him last evening. 81-year-old bulger and his 61-year-old girlfriend miss grieg were arraigned today in federal court agreeing to extradition back to boston. the fbi crediting his capture to a public service campaign, tv spots aimed at making grieg's face as well-known as her boyfriend's. >> on tuesday 21st just after 8:p.m. pacific standard time a tip was received by the fbi's los angeles office. the tip was generated as a

direct result of the fbi's unique publicity campaign organized by fbi boston and fbi headquarters this past monday. as part of that campaign, the fbi paid for a public service announcement to run in 14 media markets across the country. those media markets were chosen because the fbi knew that bulger and grieg had ties to those areas. >> keeping them honest tonight, numerous sources in law enforcement tell us they had doubts that a public service campaign, one that didn't even run in los angeles, could get results so quickly. drew griffin and producer david fitzpatrick have been talking to those sources. they say it stretches belief that government tv spots could get such a quick response. that's not all, they say. drew joins us shortly with details that may support two alternative theorys of how bulger's 16-year run finally ended. first a quick look back a timeline. >> the international manhunt for one of america's most wanted men ended here, in a nondescript apartment building just blocks from the ocean in santa monica, california. federal authorities say the affable couple known as charles and carroll gasko were in fact

infamous boston gangster whitey bulger and his long time companion catherine grieg. >> we have captured a man notorious in boston and around the world. >> bulger, wanted in connection with 19 murder, had been on the run since a corrupt former fbi tipped him off in 1994 to an impending indictment. for more than 16 years, sightings of bulger were reported across the globe. from new york -- clearly having despite a $2 million reward for his capture, the largest ever

for a domestic fugitive, he was never a household name nationwide. in boston while he was a larger-than-life legends. for now, the irish mobster was a secret fbi informant providing the federal government with details about the italian mafia and at the same time continuing his own murderous reign of organized crime. the question of where is whitey is one they thought never would be answered. how badly did that want to capture and given what had been described by some boston reporters as his only alliance with the fbi. a suggestion authorities have also tonight. >> his brother refused to testify about his whereabouts and added to the entry in guessing. while the saba of whitey bulger is far from over, his capture is

a milestone. >> i am in disbelief. tears come to my eyes. >> i am elated. i am in disbelief. shop. and just extremely happy. joining me now is drew griffin who's been hearing that the tv and tip explanation of how the fbi caught bulger could be a cover story for something else. cnn producer tom fuentes joins us and dick blare at author of "black mask". >> if you listen to the fbi it was these tv spots. you've been talking to a lot of law enforcement sources outside the fbi. they are casting doubt about that. >> these sources are saying it was too easy. 16 years on the run, thousands of tips have come in. there's been movies, tv shows, newspaper reporting. and all of a sudden one day after they air this psa and all these tv markets, not los angeles, they get a tip that leads to the arrest. so what did these people say? >> that maybe this was a smoke screen to protect the real

tipster and protect that person because that person's life may be in danger. or perhaps bulger himself was turning himself in. there's $2 million for him, $100,000 reward for her. they just don't believe it. and they're telling us that, look at, watch what happens in the days ahead. we're going to get a different story. >> tom, do you cast doubt on what the fbi has been saying? >> not really. i've had friend of mine that were involved in this investigation. and involved in catching fugitives over the years. tell me that they ran the public service announcement. and the person that called in the tip did not see the direct announcement but saw the media coverage that fbi had done it an announcement on one of the cable network channels. they wouldn't tell me which one. but that's what they're saying. and as far as a smoke screen to protect the tipster or protect an informant, they could protect that informant in any event. they could protect the tipster no matter how that information came in. so i don't see why the fbi -- and it would take a long time to prepare that public service announcement.

it cost money to air it. i just don't buy that part of it, either. the suspicion that they would use that as a ruse to cover a tipster who they could cover in any event. >> dick, you've written a lot about this. and there's been a lot of anger towards the fbi in boston because they more or less protected whitey bulger for so long. talk a little bit about i mean what makes him so fascinating, the history. our piece kind of got interrupted there. >> yeah, sure. i mean, obviously the capture of someone from the 10 most wanted list who's connected to 19 murder and possibly more, a crime boss from boston who's been on the run for 16 years, that is a huge story and a huge development. but just as important, and you mentioned it, is the corruption in the fbi boston office for so many years. that watched his back and became part of the bulger gang. a crew of corrupted agents. and they enabled whitey bulger to carry on the way he did for so many years. and that makes people mad. if you're in the city during the

70s and 80s when the dirty deal was really in play, and you lost a family member to the bulger gang or someone got shaken down or beat up and you came to realize that the nation's elite law enforcement agency, the fbi, was not the place to go to to try to get some justice, when that truth comes tumbling out as it did in horrific detail during the 1990s, you get mad. >> what made whitey bulger so tough? i mean, was he just completely ruthless? >> yeah. he's a sociopath, cold-blooded killer. come up with all the terms. he's a guy who didn't think twice about blowing your brains out. and there's been ample evidence coming out and the bodies they've dug up. and when they killed someone, this is predna, they culled the teeth out, cut the fingers off, tried to make it so the victims if they were discovered from their graves couldn't be identified. there was just no bottom.

it doesn't get much uglier than someone like white cri bulger. >> tom, after he escaped and all these problems with the fbi field office there were revealed, were a lot of changes made? >> yes. there were changes made. but i'd like to add something that there have been thousands of agents working this program for the last three decades. you had two rogue agents in boston that did horrific damage to the fbi, to the community, to the 19 victims and their families. there's no question about that. and it was a horrible tragedy. but i'd like to add that the fbi did conduct the investigation to go after john connally and eventually convicted him. and he earned a 10-year prison sentence from that. so the investigation that went on to try to uncover what happened within the fbi office and what happened with those two agents was extensive. and i was involved personally in many of the meetings that discussed it. i was not involved in the investigation because i was recused from it being involved in the organized crime program

over almost all of my career of nearly 30 years. and i ran the organized crime program for five. so i'll admit, i'm not going to be the most objective person here. but i'd like to say thousands of agents have worked in this program. and along with prosecutors from department of justice strike force have dismembered and dismantled much of la cosa nostra prevented other organized crime groups from getting the kind of foothold in the united states that they and some of these other organized crime groups had. so thousands of people did tremendous work. but unfortunately in this situation, you had two rogue agents that did horrible damage. there's no question about that. and the fbi in boston has paid for this damage within the law enforcement community for decades. >> right. drew, what do we know about this girlfriend? >> yeah. catherine grieg, 21 years whitey's junior. and i think tom will agree with me, she may be the achilles heel

as often is. they focused on her in the psa,focused on that he's with this woman. and she was with him from the start of his run. wanted for harboring a fugitive, not a major penalty there. five-years would be the maximum. but they're possibly looking at more charges for her. >> dick, i was reading today, some bostons were remembering him fondly, a sort of robin hood figure. that's not the reality and most people sort of changed their mind on that over the years, right? >> yeah. that's a throwback. this story has been around for so long. i mean, the bulger story you have to break it down into chapters or acts. and the first act was this notion of whitey bulger being a robin hood from south boston. this is an image that the corrupt fbi agents promoted relentlessly for years that he was a good bad guy. in the streets of boston.

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it looks like this could be one way or another for a bill to legalize same-sex marriage in new york state. sources say that if republican lawmakers who control the senate decide to bring it to the floor, a vote on the bill would likely happen very late tonight or early tomorrow morning. if. as it stands the senate is said to be almost evenly split. 31 in favor, 29 opposed and two undecided according to a tally done by cnn affiliate new york one. president obama who does not support gay marriage was at a gay and lesbian fundraiser in manhattan tonight touting his record. >> that's why we're going to keep on fighting until the law no longer treats committed partners who have been together for decades like they're strangers. that's why i have long believed in the so-called defense of marriage act ought to be repealed. it was wrong. it was unfair. [ applause ]

>> in a 1996 questionnaire mr. obama said he supported marriage rights. his position changed as he got into national politics. now he says his position is evolving. that is certainly true for a pair of gop lawmakers in albany who changed their minds and are now supporting a marriage rights bill. but everything is moving very slowly there as mary snow has been finding out. she joins us now from albany. mary, what is the latest that you're hearing? will this bill come up for a vote tonight or early in the morning tomorrow? >> reporter: we're being told, anderson, that a decision on whether to bring this bill up for a vote will likely now come after midnight. and if it will be brought up for a vote that it would come probably hours after that. there have been intense negotiations going on throughout the day. and inside the capitol there have been demonstrators both for and against this bill growing in volume. and i was talking to a veteran political reporter who's been here more than 20 years. and he has said that he has not seen anything this intense in the time that he's been here. but exactly what is causing this delay at this point, unclear.

these lawmakers still have other legislation that they need to vote on. rent regulation and property tax caps. >> late tonight, though, gop state senator named greg ball officially announced he would vote no on the same-sex marriage bill. is that a bad omen for the bill's passing? >> no. because you know it's not a big surprise that he is saying that he is going to oppose it. the democrats were not really expecting him to change his mind. there are a handful of republicans who are in play. one of them is andrew lanzo. he has been negotiating. he's one of three republicans who have been negotiating with governor cuomo on the language of the bill. there's been concerns among some republicans about protections for religious organizations. he says he considers himself a no, but listening we caught up with him a few hours ago. here's what he had to say. >> i think at the end of the day it's about treating each other the way we want to be treated. where i am stuck is on the -- is

with the notion that we can do all that without changing the definition of the word "marriage". >> reporter: and anderson, in his words he told us that there was great progress being made on that language. we can tell you that people have been lining up here since this morning to get a seat in the senate chamber. and they've been sitting now waiting for hours to see -- witness this potentially historic vote. >> mary, appreciate the update. with me now is evan wolfson executive director of freedom to mary.org and senior analyst jeffrey toobin. evan, as a supporter of same-sex marriage, answer what that state senator was saying about why change -- he's stuck on the word. he's stuck on changing the definition of the word "marriage". >> the first thing i would say is that marriage is not defined by who's denied it. when gay people are able to share in the freedom to marry because they are in love, because they have made a commitment in life and they want a commitment in law, that doesn't change marriage.

it doesn't take anything away from anyone else. it doesn't use up marriage. marriage is there for all of us to share. those of us who have made a commitment. and what gay people want is to be able to participate in that legal commitment. and the other thing i would say is that some states have tried to come up with alternative parallel other mechanisms. civil union partnership. and right across the river in new jersey where they have civil union, the official state commission that was appointed by the legislature and the governor to study how is civil union working reported that it isn't working. it doesn't fully protect family. it does make a difference when you're able to say, i'm married and have everyone understand who you are in relationship to the primary person you're building a life with. >> jeff, the albany politics are a kind of a mystery to me. i've read a lot about it. i still don't understand how it all works. explain what is the hold up on actually just voting one way or another? >> well, democracy is not something that is a big part of how albany works.

you would think a bill before the state senate gets voted on. well, that's not necessarily the case. the way the new york state senate work is is that majority leader, dean skellos, he gets to decide whether this vote comes to the floor. he doesn't have to bring it to the floor even if he thinks it's going to pass. because it is entirely up to him. that is -- that's why we don't know whether there will be a vote tonight or ever. another thing people may wonder is, what's this business about why is it going to be voted on at midnight or 2:00 in the morning? well, there's a long history in albany of doing things in the middle of the night because people aren't there, and newspaper ted lines will be missed so that news will really sort of dribble out even in the internet era. that's how these politicians think. it has very little to do with democracy or the public trust. >> jeff, have you been kidnapped and are you being held in a cave somewhere?

you are just blank. >> i'm in west virginia. this is skype. and you know, it's a work in progress. >> it looks a little ominous. >> believe me. there's no hostage situation. >> all right. all right. what are you hearing, evan, in terms of the actual vote? >> well again we're very, very hopeful that they are going to bring it to a vote. certainly new yorkers are clamoring for a vote. thousands of thousands of people have talked to their legislators, called their legislators. senator skellos, the majority leader has repeatedly said he believes there should be a vote. >> if they decide not to vote on it at all, can they do that? decide not to vote and go home? >> they can do that. the governor also has the power to call them back. and governor cuomo has said he's cautiously optimistic that there is going to be a vote. and he is very hopeful like me that the senate is going to do the right thing, what new yorkers want. >> this could be at 4:00 a.m. >> it could be a long night. >> there's no limit on when it could be. >> there is no limit on when it could be. and the sooner the better.

>> anderson, let's be clear here. governor cuomo can call the senate back into session. but he cannot make them vote on this bill. he cannot make them call up the bill. this is entirely up to one person, the majority leader. i mean, it is astonishing. and it's not my place to say that they should vote for it or vote against it. but the idea that they wouldn't vote at all is really a scandal in the make. >> i just want to play briefly some of what president obama said tonight at a fundraiser for gay and lesbian americans. let's watch. >> i believe that discrimination because of somebody's sexual orientation or gender identity ran counter to who we are as a people. and it's a violation of the basic tenets on which this nation was founded. i believe that gay couples deserve the same legal rights as every other couple in this country. >> it's interesting. if you listen to that you would think he is in support of gay marriage but publicly he is not.

>> that's right. what the president said was great. gay people should have the same rights, gay couples should have the same protections, the same freedoms as any other couples. what he didn't say is what left kind of a gap in the room. because he didn't come out right and say one of those same rights that people enjoy when they've made a commitment to one another is the freedom to marry and to be denied that freedom to marry is to be denied something very, very important. but i think it's also important to understand that president obama, while he has not yet forth rightly come out and said he supports the freedom to marry has talked about being on a journey in support, about listening to people, thinking it through. and he has also opposed a attacks on the freedom to marry. he lauded tonight the fact that new york is debating ending the excollusion for marriage. so the real gap there is, everything the president says and does points in the direction where the majority of americans have already gone. in support of the freedom to marry. >> could we also talk about -- president obama is someone who prides himself on his candor,

his honesty, his intellectual nature. is there one person in the world who thinks that he's really opposed to same-sex marriage? no. he's trying to figure out a politically acceptable way to get to where obviously he already is. i mean, i think this sort of -- >> and where he was back in 1996 when he filled out that form. >> and this is one of the arguments i would make to the president. freedom to marry doesn't endorse candidates. but if they were taking my advice, what i would say is this president really has nothing to lose and a lot to gain from being forth right in support of the freedom to marry which the majority of americans support. he's already done so much that to attack discrimination, to challenge discrimination, to speak for equality, that he's already lost those who are opposed. there's no one in america who he's going to lose if he says the words" yes, i support the freedom to marry just like my other fellow americans". the majority. >> are you going to be up all night waiting for this thing? >> i'm going to do my best.

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just ahead in tonight's dramatic developments in the casey anthony trial. cindy anthony, casey's mom taking the witness stand again today. this time she was called by the defense. and what she said clearly did not please the prosecution and could be a game changer. we'll take you inside the courtroom. first a 360 followup. questions were raised today over a report we brought you last night, a report that we stand by. yesterday mark lipman, the lawyer for the anthony's talked on the record to gary tuck man and told him george and cindy anthony do not think their daughter is innocent but don't want her to southeast death penalty. a lot of other news outlets picked up our reporting. today mr. lippman put out a statement gary had taken the statements out of context. i talked to him earlier. >> mr. lippman, i know in an interview you did with gary tuchman yesterday has cause add lot of drama. you put out several statements about it. i want to clear up what we aired and what issue you may have with it. i want to play what gary said on

our program last night. >> mark lippman has told me this. i asked him a very specific question. i said do your clients george and cindy anthony think that she is not guilty? and his answer was, they do not think that. he said they want to see justice done. they want to see the truth come out. and then he added to me, he said, they do not believe she is innocent. that being said, okay, this is very important and he wanted me to stress this and it's important that i do stress. this they love her, they support her and they do not want her to get the death penalty. they will do all they can to avoid her getting the death penalty in this case. >> so in all the statements that i've seen put out today, it doesn't seem like you are denying anything specifically that gary actually said in that. >> no. i'm going to clarify what i was talking to gary about. first and foremost, the banner ads and the teasers on the show yesterday indicated that my clients believe that their daughter is guilty. and by inference that would mean that she would be guilty of

first degree murder which is premeditated. >> i've looked at the transcript. we never said that they think she's guilty or they think -- that we just said not innocent. >> right. not innocent. well, and again, i'm a black and white person. i don't need to have anybody speculating. therefore i'm trying to clarify. the evidence that's been presented especially with the opening statement suggests that george anthony had something to do with either molesting his daughter and/or something to do with the removal of caylee marie anthony's body after she was found dead. and none of those things are true. >> so the bottom line, though, just so we are all clear, you did say to gary tuchman yesterday in a conversation that was on the record, in fact you had two conversations yesterday, in the first conversation you said that they do not believe she is innocent. >> based on the evidence that's

been presented by the defense so far in their opening and this evidence that's been presented by the state, you can see in court their statements. i'm certainly not going to discuss their personal feelings or anything that we have discussed. >> so again, i mean, i don't want to harp on this and this will be the last time. but just for the record you are not denying you told gary tuchman yesterday they do not believe that casey is innocent. >> again, in the toe stallity of the conversation it's based on the evidence. and i'm clarifying and making sure it's specific that my clients never, ever suggested that their daughter is guilty of murder. they do not know what happened and that is the only reason they want to sit in court to get the truth of what happened. >> and just for the record, we last night never said that you had told us that they believe their daughter is guilty. we just simply said not innocent which is the words you used to us yesterday. and if that was misconstrued by others, which it seems to have

been to indicate they believe she's guilty of something specific, that would be incorrect. but that's not our mistake, that's other people's interpretations of it. >> it started from here so i wanted to end it here. and just make sure that clarification is there. that one, this is not anything that they certainly have said directly to anyone nor can they give a press conference. they are under the rule of sequestration. but as their attorney i can say the evidence that's been presented specifically against george is just a total lie. >> mark lippman, appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thanks very much. >> as i said, we stand by gary's reporting. you just sought for your solve mr. lipman didn't deny what we reported on air last night. >> gary, what did you make of what mark lippman said to me? beyond all the press releases and the press conference that he had today and the kind of the backtracking he's done publicly, bottom line, he didn't disagree

that he said what you said he said, that casey -- that george and cindy anthony do not believe their daughter is innocent. >> reporter: it was kind of interesting today at a press conference to refute what i said. but you're right, he did not disagree with it. he was very am big white house. i think he purposely wanted to be ambiguous about this. he did not deny the quotes, he did not say he was misquoted and he was off the record. it was on the record. basically he doesn't disagree with what we said he said on tv. >> right. it seems like basic this this got a lot of pick up. some people were saying george and cindy anthony believe their daughter is guilty. we never said that on this program. you never reported that. other people may have interpreted it that way. and it seems like the attorney today, mr. lippman, was basically having a kind of cover himself for criticism. and that's basically what happened. >> reporter: there's no question about it. some people might watch our

newscast and say, okay, they think she's guilty of murder. we didn't say that. what we said was he believes that george and cindy are saying their daughter is not innocent. innocent it not a legal term. guilty and not guilty are legal terms. what is she not innocent of? he wouldn't tell me that. we said what the news is, that they feel she's not innocent. we also said something very important to him which he did not complain about, that is his clients' number one priority is she do not get the death penalty. they want to do all they can to avoid that. we reported that, too. >> any idea what george and cindy said to him about his comments to you? >> reporter: i'm wondering allot. 100% sure that's why i didn't ask him this. i think if i asked him he would have told me i'm not telling you. that's attorney-client privilege. >> gary tuchman, appreciate it. thanks. gary is back in the courtroom today. his report is just ahead. what a day in the courtroom today. we may have seen what casey anthony's mom wild do to save her daughter from a possible death sentence. or perhaps she was just telling the truth. she took the witness stand and

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in crime and punishment, jaw-dropping testimony today in the casey anthony trial, especially for the prosecution. called to the witness stand by the defense, cindy anthony, casey's mom, was asked about computer searches that investigators retrieved from the hard drive of the anthony's family computer, computer that everyone in the household could access. the prosecution's case as you know rests heavily on some of the search terms that were roofrd including the world "chloroform". yesterday mark lippman told the couple do not believe their daughter is innocent in the death of 2-year-old caylee. he also said they will do everything they can to save casey from a death sentence if convicted. today we may have seen cindy anthony making good on that promise. here's gary's report. >> reporter: casey anthony's mother was a dramatic witness for the prosecution in the

beginning of the trial. and today she remains a dramatic witness. in a different way. this time for the defense. the prosecution says alleged murderer casey anthony searched for the word "chloroform" on the home computer and that she ultimately poisoned her daughter caylee with it and then suffocated her. listen to her mom. >> in march of 2008, you doing any types of searches for any items that might include chloroform? >> yes. >> reporter: it's a huge twist in the case. cindy anthony says she was the chloroform computer searcher. she claimed one of her dogs was getting tired. and even though records say she was at work, she thinks she was home on the computer, looking up chemicals that might be causing the problem. >> so i started looking up sources from the backyard that could potentially cause her to be more sleepy than it would affect the larger dog. and i started looking up chloroform -- i mean clear row fill.

and then that prompted me to look up chloroform. >> reporter: the prosecutor clearly angry at what she believes is untrue testimony from cindy anthony, remind her of what she said in a deposition in 2008. >> do you recall denying that you made any searches for how to make chloroform? >> i didn't look up how to make chloroform. i looked up clear row form. >> reporter: the prosecution has presented evidence indicating casey anthony typed these exact words. how to make chloroform into a google search bar. >> did you type in to the search bar on google "how to make chloroform"? did you type those words into the search bar on google? >> i don't recall typing in how to make chloroform. >> reporter: and the prosecution claims chloroform was looked up 84 times on one web site. >> i didn't do 84 searches of anything. but i don't know what my computer does while it's running. >> reporter: the allegation is that casey also looked up violent terms on the computer as she plotted hurting her daughter.

at the same time she was looking up chloroform. >> to recover whether or not you did a search for the word "shovel"? >> no. i wouldn't need to look up the word shovel. >> do you recall denying that you searched for self-defense? >> yes. i did not search for self-defense. >> household weapons? >> i did not search for household weapons. >> neck breaking? >> i did not search for neck breaking. >> alcohol? >> yes. >> peroxide? >> yes. >> reporter: what was on that computer could be evidence of premeditation. but if the jury believes cindy was on it, that evidence is neutralized. however, could the grieving grandma be lying for casey? that is likely to be one of the subjects in the prosecution closing argument. gary tuchman, cnn, orlando, florida. >> i talked earlier to sonny hoss ten and jean casarez covering the trial for in session on true tv. >> the prosecution had built a large part of its case on the belief it was casey not her parents who searched the internet for chloroform.

is cindy anthony's testimony a game changer? >> in my view it is. it's very clear the prosecution's premeditation theory is based on the fact casey anthony conducted these chloroform searches in march. they believe that she conducted the searches and then used chloroform to drug her daughter and then placed duct tape over her nose and mouth, suffocating her. that is the theory. now you have cindy anthony getting on the witness stand and really poking a hole in that theory and saying, i'm the person who did the chloroform searches. what's really fascinating to me, anderson, is that what most people don't understand it only takes one juror to believe cindy anthony. prosecutors need all 12 jurors to believe that theory. the game has completely changed with cindy anthony's testimony today. >> jean, do you agree with that? and did it seem to you the prosecution was blind-sided by cindy's testimony? >> no. i think they knew it was probably going to come. but i think the headline is big. cindy anthony says she did the chloroform searches.

but i think when you look at the evidence, i don't think it's big at all. and i'll tell you why. these searches were just about 12 minutes each on march 17th and march 21st. and you need to not only look at the searches for chloroform and how to make chloroform but the searches that were minutes away, seconds away from those searches. and they were facebook, myspace, and photo bucket. and cindy has testified that she didn't know how to do myspace until after caylee went missing in july and somebody taught her how to get on myspace to try to find caylee. that shows that the person was not cindy that did those searches. >> it's interesting because also on the stand cindy was asked about what browser she was using. and she had no idea what the person was talking about. >> that's right. she didn't know the browser. and you know what else? >> she didn't even know what a browser was. >> she didn't. she didn't. and you know what? she was not asked, anderson, do you realize that those searches were actually affirmatively deleted on the computer? other things were not but those

searches were. did cindy delete those? why would she do that and everything else is kept up? she wasn't asked that question. but i think it's a good one. >> jean, can't they just go and see if she was working at the time that those searches were done? because wasn't she supposedly at work then? >> and that's one way to do that. she said that her work records said she was there. but she said that she had taken days and she didn't write them down. i think they definitely could go and try to find things that she e-mailed out, maybe things that are in files that are still there, times associated with the e-mails. because they can be on e-mails to show that she was at the office and not on the computer. >> sonny, another interesting moment today came when casey seemed to mouth the word "wow "while listening to her mom talk about her memory and using different medications. >> it was really interesting. i kept on thinking was the wow because she couldn't believe that her mother was lying for her? was the wow because she couldn't believe that her mother was telling the truth? what did she mean by "wow"? i will tell you statistically jurors watch everything that's

happening in a courtroom. if one of those jurors saw that, what is the take away for the jury? i'm not so sure. >> so jean, does the prosecution now -- i mean, they'll obviously have a rebuttal chance again with cindy anthony. but i mean do they start to go after her? do they treat her as a hostile witness? how do they start to poke holes in her story? >> that's a really good question. i think their investigator is definitely looking at some things just like you were saying. but you got to remember, she's a star witness for the prosecution. she's the witness that testified day-by-day by day. everything casey told her that were alis, the people were fantasies. she's very important to the prosecution. so if they absolutely go at her, they're destroying maybe the testimony she already gave. >> what's coming up tomorrow, jean? >> well, the defense isn't saying what's coming up. but i think we're getting into the personal witnesses. the meter reader who in opening statements by the defense said actually took the body and moved

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announced it will release 30 million barrels of oil from the strategic plum petroleum reserve over the next few days. to ease disruptions from libya which has been locked in civil war for months a 7-year-old michigan boy led police on a high-speed chase after he stole his stepdad's car. the boy had trouble pulling over but he finally did after traveling about 20 miles. police were alerted to the situation after 911 dispatchers got several calls about what appeared to be a young child driving a car. the boy told police he just wanted to go see his real dad. you know his heart was in the right placers anderson. >> oh, wow. all right, joe, thanks. time now for the ridiculist. though i work hard to avoid media feud tonight i got to add a news web site called our daily caller to the ridiculist. for the record i read the daily caller, like huffington post. but i was surprised this morning to wake up and discover the

daily caller was attacking for me for something i said in the ridiculist on tuesday about the marriage of a 51-year-old character actor to a 16-year-old girl named courtney who like most wholesome 16-year-olds has a music video in which she appears, well, not innocent. >> ♪ don't put it on me girl, no don't put it on me girl don't. >> a lot of people are suggesting that someone should have told courtney don't marry that guy. he's too old for you. you have your driver's test coming up. someone like her parents maybe. but guess what, romance haters. her parnts gave their permission. they're not those uptight parents that don't let their teenage daughter stay out past 11:00 or make music videos on boats or marry someone three times her age. they're cool parents. so on the daily caller this morning, a headline stated anderson cooper not a big deal for 16-year-old courtney stodden to 51-year-old doug hitch is sohn. "unlike much of the population, cnn an thor anderson cooper

isn't repulsed by the las vegas nuptials or 16-year-old courtney stodden and 51ed doug hutch is sohn. maybe i was being too subtle on tuesday's ridiculist. let's check the tape again. >> i don't see what the big deal is. the wedding was on may 20th according to my calendar. that was a friday. so she probably only had to miss one day of high school. what was she going to miss in 11th grade anyway? algebra? >> let's try algrebra for kicks. if x equals tongue and y equals cheek then x plus y equals -- at the daily caller it equals this "cooper justified the marriage because it apparently took place at the end of the week". yeah. that's how i justified the marriage. i bet at the daily caller if someone tells a knock knock joke everyone runs to the door and waits to see who comes in. a number of viewers e-mailed the daily caller explaining my defense of the marriage was satirical, whatever that word means. and then the woman who wrote the article wrote this on twitter.

"i knew it was sar as tick. i said in my story that he took sarcastic jabs. guess i could have been clearer. could have been clearer? clearer than a completely misleading headline followed by a completely misleading story? come on, laura. don't be so hard on yourself. by the way they've now changed the headline. anderson cooper jokes, not a big deal et cetera et cetera blah blah blah. there's a footnote says it was updated to clearly explain that segment was sarcastic. so who is the writer, this laura donovan? i did a little digging and by digging i mean low impact googling. somebody else did that. here's the bio on her web site "a new resident for the washington, d.c. air c donovan writes for the daily caller. her ultimate goal is to public non-fiction books and become the next david sedaris". laura, laura, come here. come here, laura. a little closer. come on. come on. laura -- and i think sense you've incorrectly attack me online and tried to cover your tracks i think i can call you laura. laura, it would be very, very easy for me right now to make

some sort of snarky comment. but i'm not going to do that. you're only 22 years old. you wrote for your college newspaper and you have a blog about guys who hit on you or something. i couldn't really get into it. i know when you're starting out in today's snide internet culture you want to make a name for yourself. i know that attacking others is an easy way to do that. maybe you want to prove you're ideologically on the right side. in the future don't be so quick to attack. make sure you research what you write. that way your editors don't step in and rewrite your inaccurate stories. i honestly wish you nothing but the best. as for the daily caller which i like and will continue to read. take a cue from the 16-year-old bride herself and just try to keep it real. >> my breasts are real. everything about me is real. my harris real, my teeth are real, my eyelashes are real, my breasts are totally real. >> i love that she said her breast are totally real twice. the bride is so going to end up on the real housewives. daily caller, you can quote me on that.

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