>> no further questions. >> cross examination? >> no questions. >> the witness may stand down. >> thank you. >> and that was the end of testimony. there she is, cindy anthony, the mother of casey anthony walking way. she has been testifying. this is day number two there in the murder trial of her daughter, who has been sitting there. she broke down today. measure mother broke down today and we heard from casey antho anthony's brother. we will get to that later in the show with sunny on the case. hello and welcome back. i'm brook baldwin. it's a busy, busy friday. i want to get straight to the stories we're watching right now. we told you about this all week long, and it could happen today. new york on the brink of legalizing same-sex marriage. a vote could happen any moment now. we will take you live outside the capital in albany come upg.

did pakistan know about osama bin laden's hideout? a new clue being reported today raising suspicions that not only did the government know, they might have helped. first, i want to begin with this alleged mobster. whitey bulger's alleged reign of terror and life on the lamb comes full circle in boston. look at this picture. it looks more like someone's old grandfather than a diabolical mob boss that would kill you if you crossed him. this is the subject of the biggest manhunt in history. he terrorized southy for years and years. he was involved in the murders of at least 19 people. tloiven th listen to this. >> coming up with a .45 and puts it it to my head. he said if you don't pay me, i'm

going to kill you and your father. >> nervous the guy who actually killed my uncle. there was a lot of hits that were done by his associates, but my uncle was killed by james "whitey" bulger. >> this is what he looks like. this is a photo taken just after his capture wednesday night in california. after 16 years, not so much on the lamb, apparently hiding in plain sight. bulger and his long-time girlfriend katherine crieg were living in a rent controlled apartment a block from the ocean. the fbi found some $800,000 in cash in their place, 30 guns and an assortment of fake i.d.s. deb feyerick is live for me outside the courthouse in boston where whitey bulger is expected to appear before two judges this afternoon and timewise are we just about an hour out from

potentially seeing him? >> reporter: absolutely. smaveng we havele a little bit of new information. we're told that kwlit bulger and his girlfriend landed at logan airport a short time ago. also, his brother, a prominent boston politician, billy bulger entered the courthouse about ten minutes. you can see the activity outside here. there are police barricades set up. boston police is in place, federal security. one police officer rode by on a motorcycle, nodded to the captain in charge, so we do believe that whitey bulger should be here probably -- i got here this morning. it takes about 15 anyone noits get from logan airport. heavy police security. we should expect him here any moment, brook. >> i know he was in that federal court in l.a. yesterday. apparently he understood the slew of charges, some 100-plus pages of court documents. can you outline what he will face today in that courtroom?

>> reporter: he's facing a lot of charges. this is going to be an arraignment, assuming that he's had a chance to speak to a lawyer. there's every possibility that he could enter a plea today. if he does not understand the charges or hasn't understood them to speak to a lawyer, then it's likely he'll come and the process will happen over the next couple of days. but he has been charged with various counts including murder, attempted murder, gun running for the i.r.a., drug trafficking, charging some folks $1 million to get drugs into boston as they traveled through boston harbor. he's facing a lot of charges, and he seems to understand the serious nature of them as you yourself commented. >> i can't talk about whitey bulger without talking about his girlfriend. she's 20 years younger than he is. he's 81, she's 60. she was also the target of that fbi campaign, that psa they put out this past tuesday.

we know from fbi that is the reason why that tip came in and they were able to nab him. do we know what charges she coulding fabe facing? >> she's facing the charges of harboring a criminal. this is the point, brooke, as you've experienced. we're hearing sirens. everybody is sort of on high alert in anticipation of his arrival. we believe he'll arrive from this sdrekz, which is the direction of logan armt. everyone is looking around here trying to get the pulse on everything. katherine crieg is facing charges of harboring a fugitive. they said really it was creative thinking, thinking outside the box. it was trying to get to him by getting around him through the girlfriend, brooke. >> you take a good, long look as to when he appears in the kourts, wave your arms if in

front of the camera. >> brooke, take a look. brooke. take a look, brooke. we believe that this might be him. take a look. okay. u.s. marshal van number one. van number two. van number three. we got another van coming around. this one is blocking. this is all carefully organized and orchestrated. they have to get him in. clearly there's a concern something could happen. we did not know when he would land or how many or what time. everyone was very circumspect. brooke, you got it live. just got into the courthouse. >> let me stay with you. what do we know as far as the transfer? was he transferred in shackles head to toe, and do you know what kind of plane he was in along with his grirl friend as they hopped on a plane from l.a. here to boston, logan airport? >> reporter: all of these good questions, all of these

questions we were asking to various agencies all day, fbi, u.s. marshals, anyone involved in the transport. no, he did come into logan airport. there was a thought he may go into one of the private airports where there's more control. because of his high visibility and clearly him being such a security risk, very unlikely he flue a commercial plane. u.s. marshals have their own special planes in the area of the airport that's more secure and private. he came from logan arirport. because of his stature, he would have been shackled. clearly nobody taking any risks something might happen, especially since they waited so long to get him here to this court. when i spoke to the u.s. attorney earlier, she said they are ready to go. tall they needed was him to be in court, so here we are, brooke. >> here he is. we counted four, five suvs flashing lights. presumably he's in one of those

cars. if we see him, i'd be surprised if there's a perp walk. >> reporter: the feds don't do that. >> thank you. perfect timing. now this. we have been listening, we have been watching scenes just like this playing out all week long there in the hallways of the stat t state capitol in new york. protestors for and against the bill have lined the hallways there demonstrating they're waiting for the vote. despite pressure from the gay community, from president obama to weigh in on the issue, he attended an lgbt fund-raiser in new york last night and wouldn't go there instead showing his support for quote-unquote equal rights. >> and i believe that discrimination because of sexual

orientation or gender identity run counter to who we are as a people. it's a violation of the basic tenets on which this nation was founded. i believe that gay couples deserve the same legal rights as every other couple in this country. >> reporter: just outside of that fund-raiser, which was in manhattan, protestors held up signs we'll give when we get equal. when a few people interrupted the president's special last night, listen to how the president responded. >> that's why we're going to keep fighting until the law no longer -- i heard you guys. believe it or not, i anticipated that somebody might. [ cheers and applause ] >> where was i? >> so despite the shouting

marriage, the president is not getting into that debate in new york state. a lot of people are hoping this thing is decided before the gay pride parade this weekend in manhattan. thousands of people are in new york for precisely that. mary snow is in the capital city of albany for me. mary, what do we know? i know they need that one extra vote, the one republican senator to vote one way or the other here. do we know what is stalling that vote? >> reporter: you know, brooke, the people who could truly answer that question have been behind closed doors all day long. what we do know is that before the same-sex marriage bill came up for a vote, if it does come up for a vote in new york, there were other very big bills. rent regulation, property tax caps that were to be voted on first. that still has not happened. last night all signs pointed toward a potential decision on the same-sex marriage bill, but around 11:00 the state senate

majority leader came out and said everybody was going home. they were behind closed doors and negotiations were going on. this has generated some frustration among several sectors, but state senate democrats expressed some of their frustrations earlier today. take a listen. >> each day we're being told yes, we're going to get these bills done. where is marriage? we know there are at least 31 members of the senate who have committed publicly to wanting to vote for marriage equality, bring it to the floor. the senate democrats, when we were in majority, were prepared to bring it to the floor, even though from my opinion unfortunately it went down. now conventional wisdom is when it comes to the floor, it's going to pass. why aren't we bringing it for a vote? it's outrageous. >> reporter: and negotiations behind the scenes continue.

it's still unclear, brooke, whether or not the republic republican-controlled state senate will bring this bill up for a vote. gay rights activists, supporters of this bill remain hopeful inside the capitol. they said that things will move along, but they've been there before just about every day this week. it's very difficult to predict. >> and they've been there before historically speaking a number of times, and it's been shot down every time. if and when there is a vote, are they up against a particular day, mary? is there a deadline by which they have to vote? >> no. the legislative session was supposed to end this past monday, but the government can call lawmakers back. so there isn't a deadline being talked about. >> mary snow watching and waiting to see if that vote happens. thank you so much. this. republicans should stop playing chicken and pushing us too close to the line. >> it is the final exam for

america. i believe this could be our last chance to get things right to turn things around. >> as we were home last night -- >> secret meetings and late night chats. there's a whole lot of talk in washington, but there's absolutely nothing getting done. has the nation's pocketbook become all about politics? cnn's candy crowley will break it down for us coming up. plus, the small item the cia found in osama bin laden's compound. it is revealing something huge. did pakistan help bin laden hide all those years? wait until you hear what we're learning here at cnn. wake up to sweetness with honey nut cheerios cereal. kissed with real honey. and the 100% natural whole grain oats can help lower your cholesterol. you are so sweet to me. bee happy. bee healthy. 8% every 10 years.age 40,me. we can start losing muscle -- wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor.

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so what started out as talks to work out a deal to raise the u.s. debt ceiling is turning out this this all-out back room political brawl. for weeks we know vice president joe biden is hosting discussions with a group of democrats and republicans trying to forge a deal before the august 2nd deadline. after that the treasury department says the u.s. will begin to default on its loans. with the clock ticking down eric cantor and senator jon kyl walked away from the talks saying they reached an impasse with democrats and wants president obama to get involved. they are getting their wish. this coming monday the president and vice president will meet are harry reid and mitch mcconnell.

let's go to candy crowley. first, explain this to me. you have kyl and cantor bailing on these talks. was this just a throwing up of hands for show because these men ultimately know a deal will get done, or is this truly in jeopardy? >> this is ratcheting up the pressure. everything on capitol hill is always in jeopardy until they fix it. here is the truth of it. congress expands to the amount of time it has. they have been told august 2nd is when we're going to have to start defaulting. now, there are a number of republicans who actually don't believe the u.s. will default on its debt, that it will find ways to pay for it. nonetheless, take august 2nd. it's an eternity between now and august 2nd. they have to write a bill and it will take time. no nonetheless. you're now at the point of political pressure, and as a pressure point both on the

president i might add probably on speaker boehner, cantor walked out and said, look, you know. tax increases in any form are not acceptable to us, and this is going to take the president and the speaker to figure out. >> but, okay. looking ahead to monday, beyond sort of the general you have cutting spending versus more stimulus spending and the take hikes, candy. what are the specific sticking points that you think are creating the issue that need to get worked through to geget a d done? >> the specific sticking points are political and real policy-wise. the main thing is the republicans are standing firm and saying there cannot be a aan any -- basic aally any revenue increases. they are against removing subsidies that are given to big oil and other corporate tax rates. that seems to be where democrats want to go. everybody has to pay their fair share. if we're going to cut $2

trillion out of spending over the next decade, we need to see that the wealthy will pay their fair share. the republicans have said there just are not going to be any revenue increases in this particular package. they think it hurts the economy. the question is, what will the president do at this point, and what will speaker boehner agree to? in the end while harry reid, the democratic leader of the senate, certainly is a key player, john boehner has to get it through his republicans and some democrats on the house side, because he'll lose some. the president has to convince enough dpems to move forward and come to a deal so they can raise this debt ceiling. >> you say the pressure is on speaker boehner, but when you talk about republicans and this sunday you're talking to jim demint, he's been quoted saying this debt ceiling vote is toxic. what do you press him on sunday?

>> you press him on, what do you mean by that? basically they have a pledge that they want 2012 republican presidential candidates to sign onto, at least that demint does, with 40 outside groups and with about a dozen or so house members and senate members who have pledged they won't vote to raise the debt ceiling unless there are substantial cuts in 2012, spendsing cuts, unless there is a balanced budget constitutional amendment that is passed by congress, it is a very, very high bar. they also want enforceable spending caps. this is just a push. look, you're saying raw politics here. yes, it's also policy. you are seeing the conservative part of the republican party pushing hard, hard, hard on the speaker. in particular on the speaker because he has to figure it out to say don't you give on any kind of tax hike.

then you're seeing democrats saying, wait a second, here. that's where we're having nancy pelosi on. what's your line in the sand there? what won't you go for? in the end this is a tough enough issue you have to find that coalition in the middle or vaguely in the middle that also passed a budget earlier this year that was criticized on both the right and left and passed. >> the middle ground. i know we did for the 11th hour. >> harder to find. >> that is interesting sunday morning. thank you so much. let's remind everyone as you should wake up sunday and watch candy and the state of the union, 9:00 a.m. eastern right here on cnn. mrs. anthony, what does the photograph depict that you're looking at? >> it shows me attempting to go around caylee as i usually did. >> a dramatic day of testimony

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popular in the house of representatives. it it failed by a big, big margin in the house today. it is believed the most republican house members do not believe president obama consulted them sufficiently enough before committing all those u.s. troops, weapons to the nato-led campaign. also in a later vote today, the house rejected a bill that would have cut funding for u.s. involvement in the libya mission. a new day and fresh protests erupting all over syria. this is a group there supporting president assad in the capital city of damascus. they marched against the government today saying asad is not my president. as many as ten people died today in street clashes according to a human rights activist group. in the casey anthony murder trial, lee anthony breaks down on the witness stand when the kwens asked why he didn't go to the hospital to see his sister when she gave birth to caylee.

lee anthony testified he didn't want to be here because no one had told him casey was pregnant. >> i was very, very angry at my mom, and i was also angry at my sister. i mean, i was just angry at everyone in general that they didn't -- that they didn't want to include me. and didn't find it important enough to tell me, especially after i had already asked. so i was very hurt. >> her brother lee clearly breaking down in tears. casey anthony is grabbing tissues as well breaking down as she watched her brother testify. now watch this. this is unbelievable. >> it kind of just makes a big lump in your throat. >> the water has reached

rooftops, and there is more on the way. folks in minot north dakota are bracing for the flood of the century. you have to see these images. we'll go live on the ground in north dakota next.

we want to take you back inside this courtroom in orlando where the jury is listening here to a sheriff's deputy testifying about arresting casey anthony, putting those handcuffs on her and arresting her. let's just dip in and listen. >> you say cindy anthony, correct? >> no, ma'am. >> or you and casey anthony for that matter? >> correct, no. >> once corporal melich arrived, you were not involved in any way, shape or form in the taking of additional statements from miss anthony either at her residence at 4:00 or so that morning, correct? >> yes, ma'am. >> you were not involved in taking any statements from her on july 16th at universal studios, correct? >> correct. >> thank you. that's all i have, your honor.

>> redirect. >> no further questions, your honor. >> may the deputy be excused? >> yes. >> yes. >> thank you, deputy. you may be excused, sir. >> okay. so that was the deputy. that was the quick. the prosecution asked a couple of questions about the arrest, and when asked to redirect, the defense said nothing further. we're keeping our close eye on the trial. anyone else hops into that witness box we feel is pretty newsworthy we'll bring it to you live. we're going to the news in min minot, north dakota. massive flooding is imminent. parts of the city already look like a lake, and the worst we're told is yet to come. i want to bring in jim spellman, who is live for me in minot, north dakota. jim, we know we keep talking about this flood. it's historic, breaking records.

now more rain on the way? >> it's been raining on and off this afternoon, and will be more of the same tomorrow, brooke. this is where we are right now. this looks like a pond or something. this is a hill that goes down to a tunnel underneath railroad tracks here. you can see from these stoplights here how high the water is. we've watched all day. this is a major intersection right here in downtown minot next to the city hall building. we watched it rise, and it's tragic. just beyond there is a neighborhood full of people's homes. people are stopping by to look across here, and they know even if they can't see their house, that the worst has happened. what's really shocking and hard to get your head around is we've now broken the record from 1881 of the largest flood. this will rise about another 7 feet. i'm about 6'3", so try to picture this much more water. it's going to put all these

buildings around here in hafrza. this is a temporary dike around city hall to maintain a command structure. it's not more than 7 feet high. it's going to be really tricky for them to maintain any semblance of order in this central part of downtown minot. brooke. >> have most of the people that live around the area left town? >> reporter: yeah. they put an evacuation order in, and two days ago the alarms went off about a day ahead of time because this water has come up so much faster than they anticipated. they had to get everybody out of here. national guard went door to door to get everybody out. by and large, people have heeded this. not just only gone, but taken every single thing with them. people took their refrigerator and stove and literally the kitchen sink with them pulling out. they know if their house is still standing awful this water is in it, if it's still

standing, it's going to have to be gutted at the very least. people are prepared for the worst. >> that gives you perspective to see how high it is behind you with the street lights and another 7 feet, yikes. osama bin laden was a mast he were mind terrorist, but he was also did you know a pretty good marketer as well? did you know he wanted to change the name of al qaeda? wasn't too pleased with that moniker. we'll tell you what he wanted to change it to and why. the details are eeking out today. have you heard about ron artest? the basketball brawler? well, he's trying a new one here. a real new name. back in a moment.

trending today, do you recognize this man we're about to show you? here he is. los angeles lakers star metta world peace, at least soon could be for now. he was ron artest, but he's petitioning a california court to have his name changed legally. he wants his new last name on his jersey. metta, what does that mean? in this case it means the buddha virtue of kindness. not that unusual. think of muhammad ali, and artest isn't the first basketball player to do it. you remember lou alsidore is kareem abdul-jabbar.

michelle obama and the girls landed in botswana today. she visited and helped spruce up an aids clinic. she spoke with cnn about her unexpected meeting a couple of days ago with nelson mandela. >> the one thing i told him, you know, i wanted to make sure he understood how important his leadership and sacrifice has been to who i've become, to who my husband has become, and in short i just said thank you. it's really hard to know what to say to such an icon. >> not letting the first lady off the political hook, we also did ask her about how much time she spends thinking or talking about her husband's run for re-election next year. here was her answer. >> we really don't talk about the election. we're really doing the work, and

that's an important and useful distraction in the midst of it. there's a lot on the president of united states' plates that keeps him focused on what needs to be done. so you just keep doing what you believe is right. i always say this. one of the reasons why i support this president not just as my husband but as a citizen is because i see him taking that longvi view. i see him every day waking up worrying not about polls but what's the right thing to do for the future. that keeps you pretty focused on what's important. >> mrs. obama and her family head home on sunday. coming up next here, the small item the cia found at osama bin laden's compound in pakistan is revealing something huge now. did pack stage help bin laden hide all these years? wait until you hear what we're learning, mike baker former cia is standing by live. f jack's ce.

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perhaps a group actively protecting osama bin laden? this piece of evidence here, a cell phone and the numbers stored in it may hold answers today. i want to bring in mike baker, former undercover cia operative. mike, counterintelligence is your business here. talk to me about this cell phone. it wasn't bin laden's cell phone. that was that of his trusted courier and the contacts found in it. >> could this has been the most secret lair ever and number in the isi knew anything about it? that's what this cell phone is speaking to right now. they picked up the courier's phone. the courier and they got ms. phone. obviously, that was one of the first pieces of material that picked up out of that compound they analyzed. anytime you have a cell phone, you have to work it immediately. you're looking for operational,

actionable intelligence. also in this was evidence after forensic review that there had been communications with this group, harakah-ul-mujahedeen, which is an organization that we know about their linkages to al qaeda and they're collaboration and assistance back and forth with al qaeda. the interesting thing about harakah-ul-mujahedeen is it was essentially established as were other groups in the '80s and '90s under the tutelage and training and guidance of the pakistani intel service. you have this linkage between harakah-ul-mujahedeen, al qaeda and the isi. to what degree can they piece those communications together to hoe definitively? they're not a smoking gun yet. to show definitively that some members of isi were aware of bin laden's presence. it does defy logic and common sense to think there weren't some people, not necessarily the top levels, but some people

within the organization that new. >> with the connection with harakah-ul-mujahedeen to isi and al qaeda, why are we even talking about in? shouldn't we know these details from this clandestine raid in pakistan? >> you just touched on it. very important point, and certainly it from someone who habbs been in operations it's disappointing when a piece of information like this comes out. it points to the facts we have government officials under secrecy agreement who can't help but open their appiyap and talk about. once we went to this compound in abbottabad. we shouldn't talk about the treasure trove of details, but that was an issue right off the bat. from an operational point of

view, we should have kept it zipped and not talk about this as with the cell phone am it's been discussed and been out there. in terms of talking about the linkages, it is now open. it's being discussed, and it is very important because ultimately we need to come to grips with the pakistani service and with the government, and so this issue has got to be resolved somehow, and i doubt it will be resolved by the isi being open and transparent with us. >> since we're on the subject of discussing, i want to ask you about this tidbit we learned. there was a letter found in that compound in abbottabad that bin laden was wearing, i guess, a pr hat as well as leading al qaeda. he was concerned about this group's image, it got a bad rap with regard to muslims. let's full up the full screen. these were two options, and i'm not going to try to pronounce this. what do you make of the fact bin laden was so concerned with

p.r.? >> well, they've always had a p.r. element, a media element within al qaeda. i don't want to make them sound overly sophisticated. they're aware of their image issues. it's interesting to note that bin laden had angst while still alive over the fact that a murdering, terrorist organization with the blood of thousands and thousands of muslims on its hand was having image problems. so the idea that he was thinking about how to correct that is worthy of a comedy. but, you know, it does speak to the fact that for years now they've been focused on trying to deliver their message, and they've been trying to latch onto common themes and populist themes whether it's the palestinian issue or others. it's not necessarily a surprise, but it is fascinating we get that look inside bin laden's mind. >> it is fascinating. whether we should be talking about it or not, the details are coming out. i appreciate you as always, our cia guy coming on and talking

about what we're learning. thank you to much mike baker. >> thank you. i appreciate it. live pictures here, live pictures of casey anthony. she's on trial in orlando for murdering her 2-year-old toddler caylee. so right now the defense team is consulting with this homicide detective from orange county sheriff's office. he's on the stand right now. we are keeping a close eye on this trial. folks in the cnn newsroom, and we'll be right back. ♪ you love money ♪ well, you know i love it too ♪ ♪ i work so hard at my job ♪ and then i bring it home to you ♪ ♪ i love money in my pocket

want to take you back down live to this casey anthony murder trial under way. just to set it up for you before we get back in, you have the defense attorney here questioning this detective, this officer with the orange county sheriffs office. the homicide unit. it is eric edwards in witness box. the detective has been testifying about a member of the search party. this woman. this woman had received some voicemails from some of the anthony family members. cindy anthony, specifically. so that said, let's listen. >> it goes to the theory of defense to suggest that the detectives involved in the case were so interested in following

the road that they asked a woman to wear on two occasions a wire or concealed interception of communications to try to find out and get incriminating statements from the parents. >> and since the next witness is out there, were they successful in getting incriminating statements? >> you said did they? >> were they able to get -- >> no, sir. no, sir, they were not, because actually after being requested twice, she declined to do it. she otherwise would only be able to testify to which we already have in evidence about the duct tape. >> thank you.

state? >> your honor, as i argued at sidebar, it is obvious from the coffer as well as what was argued at sidebar in open court that this line of questioning is designed only to invite the jury to speculate on the motives of law enforcement. without actually ever asking what their motivation was to something because their motivation would be irrelevant because it does not relate to any of the material facts regarding casey anthony's guilt or innocence. this is particularly emphasized by the fact that no evidence was obtained as a result of this law enforcement endeavor, and, therefore, the only thing left is the motivation. and that is not a subject that is relevant or material for this jury to consider at this juncture. >> okay.

the court reporter will appreciate it if you be by a microphone. >> it's interesting objection based on speculation, yet we're asked to speculate that the murder weapon, with duct tape, that the child suffocated from duct tape. >> mr. mason -- there's no jury in here and i can determine -- i think i have enough experience to understand what goes to an argument and what does not go to an argument, so there's no jury. so objections about arguments, folks, is just a needless waste of time. so let him finish his argument. >> i have nothing else to say, your honor.

>> okay. state, anything else it would like to say in concluding remarks? okay. the florida supreme court in the case of wright versus state, 197 edition third, page 277, 2006 decision of the florida supreme court said that -- >> all right. we're going to pull away from this just for a moment. it sounds like that homicide detective out of orange county is finished being examined and cross examined there in orlando. again, we're going to keep our eye on that trial. we'll bring you back bits and pieces of it as we deem newsworthy. we're also standing by. here's one of america's most wanted fugitives set to appear in a boston courtroom in a few moments. we saw presumably, appearing right before that courtroom an hour ago. we're going to actually now talk to one of his former mobsters

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now to washington we go to my colleague wolf blitzer with the latest news hot off the cnn political ticker. good to see you. >> brooke, did you see bruno mars on the "today show" this morning? >> i missed it. sorry. was it great? >> he did little james brown

moves if you like that kind of stuff. >> i do like that stuff. >> at the b.e.t. soul train awards last year. we'll talk about that -- if you get the video for my next hit in an hour, we'll show it to our viewers. >> look at you. making our team scramble right now. >> very good. >> okay. >> i think your viewers, my viewers will like to see bruno mars do a little james brown. it's very, very cool. let's talk politics right now. a lot of politic stuff happening in washington. the house of representatives, the republican majority in the house, they did pass a resolution today opposing what the obama administration is doing in libya, but then they rejected a resolution that would have cut off u.s. military funding restricting the u.s. military options in libya. the speaker, john boehner, a lot of other republicans and a bunch of democrats as well are not happy the president has gone beyond 90 days with the u.s. nato military operation in lib wra without getting formal congressional authorization. they'd like to see the war

powers resolution used in this particular case. the u.s. has spent by the end of september, will have spent about $1.1 billion launching bombs, missiles and other weapons at targets in libya. they say the war powers resolution applies. the white house says these are not, quote, hostilities, as defined in the war powers resolution. that debate goes on. sort of an embarrassing setback to a certain degree for the white house today. on another issue, the white house did announce that the president starting monday will take charge of the negotiations with the republicans and the democrats in the house and senate to deal with this debt ceiling, as you know, and all of our viewers by now know, the treasury department, timothy geithner, treasury secretary, said there's an august 2nd deadline to increase the debt ceiling. right now it's about $14.3 trillion. they have a month or so to do something, otherwise the treasury department says there will be economic catastrophe if u.s. credit worthiness is undermined the value of the

dollar. interest rate is, calamities cod occur. the president will get involved personally. it's now going to be at the presidential level with john boehner, with mitch mcconnell, the republican leader in the senate, harry reid, nancy pelosi. we'll see if they can reach a deal over the next month. >> good deal. you say this all the time to me, wolf blitzer. i have a pretty good interview coming up. i hope you watch it. >> who do you have? >> wait for it. a former mobster. it's pretty good. i'm excited for him. thank you, wolf. we'll get another political update in half an hour. folks, as promised, watch this. any minute now one of america's most wanted fugitives will appear in court to face the music. coming up live, i'll be speaking with one of "whitey" bulger's former. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. murder, drugs, cash. secrets of the mob world on bail. out how whitey bulger rule a

city and disappeared into thin air. >> he could pin you for good reasons, bad reasons. >> two men wanted to unleash terror. machine guns, grenades, all part of one plot in a major city. plus, more blood, more violence and cnn is not only inside syria, we are getting closer to the chaos. >> we're here in the syrian capital for the first time since the unrest began. >> palive the only way cnn can. and game on. ladies in the media, meet ladies of congress. the annual softball battle included favorite fans, a supreme pitcher and our very own brianna keilar and dana bash. >> you're about to give birth. >> folks, this one turned into a thriller. find out who hit the game winner. got a little bit of everything for you this next hour. welcome back.

i'm brooke baldwin. as we mentioned, any minute, suspected mob boss whitey bulger is due in court in his old stomping grounds in boston, facing not just one, two judges, sign of his status as a legendary south boston mobster. subject of the biggest manhunt in fbi history. bulger arrived at the courthouse an hour ago. while you saw it. we were live on the air. take a look back at this. >> go ahead. >> reporter: brooke, take a look. take a look, brooke. this might be him. take a look. okay? u.s. marshal, van number one, van number two, van number three. all of this carefully organized, carefully orchestrated. they have to get him in. there's a concern something could happen. >> got to love live tv, folks. bulger was rushed directly to the courthouse in one of those suvs.

the fbi says he's responsible for at least, at least 19 murders. now, take a look. these are images from santa monica, california. $800,000 and more than two dozen guns were found in his rent-controlled apartment in that city located in a dingy hallway building just blocks from the beach in santa monica. there is a feeling this case could be the beginning of something much, much bigger, if whitey bulger decides to divulge everything he knows. want to go to john red shay. he knows whitey bulger pretty well. he ran drugs and served as an enforcer for bulger's mob, winter hill gang. john wrote about it in his memoir. called "rat bastards." do you want me to call you red or john? >> red. >> after 16 years, whitey bulger was caught. you are a native. what was your reaction there?

>> i thought it was a joke. i got a text from a friend saying they got the rat and i thought it was a joke. and i looked and realized that it wasn't a joke. >> not at all a joke. also, though -- are people celebrating this? >> not really. south boston is a very low key town as far as personal business goes. they're old school. it's an old school town. and it's kind of like, you know, if you watched "good fellas" or something like that in the old neighborhood. >> let's go back some years, red. when you were a teen, you were running drugs, running cocaine for bulger. at the same time, from what i understand, he was like a surrogate father for you. how so? did he give you advice? >> at times, he was. yes, he did. he used to tell me to read,

self-educate myself. read history books and work out all the time, which i did, because i was a boxer. and to eat healthy. he was very big in health. and he tried to guide me in that sense as almost like a father, yes. >> so fair to say, you knew him pretty well and he's been off the radar, red, for 16 years. how do you think he pulled that off? in santa monica, of all places. >> well, the funny thing about it is i believe that there were -- he had some help from old, old fbi agents. fbi agents that had no longer been in service that probably still had contacts and sources that probably helped him out along the way. and it was probably also close

friends, possibly family, that also helped him some way or some how. >> why do you think that? do you know something or is it just your gut? >> it's my gut. it's my opinion. >> if he were sit in front of you, right now, what would you say? what would you say to him? >> well, i have -- i talk about this in my book, "rat bastards." i have this dream that i have occasionally, and it's a dream of me seeing him in the streets of new york. just bumping into him. and grabbing ahold of him and pulling him into a building and asking him, why, why did he -- why did he, you know, become an informant against basically myself and betrayed the code of silence? and --

>> what do you do in that dream? >> in that dream, i snap his neck. >> you snap his neck. and this is all because -- >> i do. >> -- you went to jail, you served time, you never ratted him out. what do you say about rats in sou southy? >> realize rats that any mob world is a no-no. especially in southy. southy, you grew up, accept your responsibility even if the guy next to you can't. if you do something wrong, you pay your price for it. and that's just the way it is. >> red, last question to you. what happens, now that he's in custody, facing all kinds of charges? what if he talks? what if he continues to rat and tell all to the fbi? >> i believe he might have some more to give, but i don't think he has a whole lot to give, to

be honest with you, because most of the guys have already been convicted of most of these crimes. and so i really don't think he has too much to give. where he might have to give is the people who obviously helped him along the way for the 16 years. those people have something to worry about for sure. and, you know, because he's not going to talk about a body that he killed, himself, because then he'd be piling it back on himself. he wouldn't put more weight on himself. and, you know, the funny thing about it is when he was in santa monica -- >> you were there blocks from him. >> where he got -- where he got captured, three blocks away my friend, personal friend, who was a producer on "unusual suspects" lived. i was out there with ken writing the screen play for "rat

bastards" and i walked by this house many times from ken's strolling down the street. and i couldn't -- i just can't believe it. i can't believe that i -- he was actually in the backyard, so to speak, if you will, of my friend's house all those years. >> i understand he was walking along with his girlfriend on the third street promenade there many times seen. imagine if you had bumped into him. i don't know if i want to imagine that. go ahead. >> i was just there -- i was just there in november. >> red shea, thank you so much. good luck with your screen play. you've written a memoir, working on the screen play. thank you so much. appreciate it. what an interview. >> thank you so much, brooke. >> we're monitoring, we have b deborah feyerick outside the

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if it's interesting and happening right now, you're about to see it. rapid fire. let's go. beginning with this. the u.s. military role in nato's libya mission not popular in the house of representatives. a resolution to show support for u.s. operations over libya failed by a big margin in the republican controlled house today. it is believed that these house members don't believe president obama consulted them sufficiently before committing all those u.s. troops and weapons to the nato led campaign. also today in a vote, the house rejected a bill that would have cut funding for the u.s. involvement in the mission. in arizona, the hacker group calling itself wolfezek has police on edge after getting information about officers, e-mails, and passwords, in retaliation for what they call the anti-immigrant police state that is arizona. this act puts officers at risk. the same group here has previously taken responsibility

for attacks on the cia, u.s. senate and several video game companies. this is unbelievable. >> it kind of just makes a big lump in your throat. >> heartbreaking images here. this is minot, north dakota. massive, historic flooding surpassing levels from 1881. parts of the area already look like a lake. forecasters say the worse is yet to come. five more feet expected. smoke from massive fires along the eastern border of georgia and florida is making its way across the atlantic. this is a nasa image. you can see the smoke there over the ocean. officials say most of the smoke is from the honey prairie complex fire, which has burned more than 266,000 acres. to houston, where a deadly crash left a bus in two different pieces. investigators believe a crash with a dump truck sent the bus into a concrete beam splitting it in half killing the bus dr i

driver. he was the only one onboard that bus. a tv legend has died, actor, academy award nominee, peteer falk, passed away at the age of 93. falk died peacefully in his home last night, according to longtime family friend and attorney. falk is survived by his wife of over 35 years and two daughters from a previous marriage. a militant group in pakistan says it did not hide and protect osama bin laden. they're responding to that "new york times" article today that draws the line from al qaeda to this group that's close to the pakistani intelligence community. a cell phone found in bin laden's compound reportedly contains information showing this group knew where bin laden was holed up. a little while ago i spoke to a former cia operative about this piece of intel. >> and so what they're looking at now is this question of to what degree can they piece those

communications together to show definitively, there's not a smoking gun yet, but to show definitively that some members of isi were aware of bin laden's presence? and it does defy logic and common sense to think that there weren't some people, not necessarily the top levels, but some people within that organization that knew. also this. government forces spraying bullets at protesters in syria. today several more people are dead. remember, no journalists have been allowed in this country since the bloodshed began, that is until now. paula garahni has been trying, as we've been talking about this, for months and months to get into syria. she's there live in the capital city. she's going to come on and tell me what she's been seeing on the ground, next. [ nurse ] i'm a hospice nurse. britta olsen is my patient. i spend long hours with her checking her heart rate,

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ten people died in protest-related clashes today in syria. another person died from injuries suffered from a couple days ago according to a human rights group tracking anti-government uprisings in syria. for weeks we've been telling you cnn has not been allowed to report from inside this country. until now. that has changed. hala gorani is in the capital city live for me in dumascus. tell me what you've seen in the time you've been there and touch on deadly clashes that have been reported. what happened.

we can't hear her. we can't hear her. we're going to stand by and hopefully we can get her microphone turned on. meantime, i see her over my shoulder, candy crowley standing by, good thing she is, with the latest news off the political ticker. >> little bit easier to talk from washington, d.c., than from syria. listen, a couple things on the ticker. most of them having to do with 2012. there is a meeting this week of latino elected and appointed leaders. it's in texas. for the third year in a row, the president was invited. for the third year in the row, he declined. that has caused hurt feelings among that group who say not only has he not delivered on his promise of immigration reform, but think symbolically it would have been important for the president to show up. the white house said, listen, the president can't go everywhere. it's a scheduling problem. his efforts on behalf of all the

americans can't be measured in all the meetings he goes to. nonetheless, symbolism and politics means a lot. latinos, a very, very important voting group. the president found time to go to pennsylvania where the republican party greeted him with acid words including that the president according to the republican party chairman in pennsylvania, the president was coming to talk about jobs and the economy but the only job he's interested in is his own. that is the president's. and finally, just a little something from our sunday show, brooke, we'll be interviewing jim demint. he's a tea party favorite. he riled some of his republican colleagues in the senate when he backed candidates that were not necessarily traditional republican candidates in the last election. he is going after president obama today and president obama's announcement that he would -- or the white house announcement the president would release about 30 million gallons of oil from the strategic oil reserve. and jim demint saving some of his choice words saying the president is trying to be the wizard behind the curtain in the

wizard of oz. he's trying to control our economy from washington and that's not how it works. a rough day for the president i think. >> getting it from all sides. >> rhetorically. >> thank you so much for standing by and hopping in for me. we'll check you out at 9:00 a.m., sunday morning "state of the union." now, live, hala gorani live. tell me what you've seen since you've been in country. what do you know about the reported deadly clashes? what happened? >> reporter: all right. hopefully you can hear me now. well, brooke, when over the last few weeks i've told you consistently that it's impossible for cnn to verify the authenticity of this online video independently. the reason for that, we're not granted access to these areas where uprisings are taking place. that in essence hasn't changed. we are in damascus, a fantastic opportunity to see what's going on here firsthand. we're not able because we're followed by government, to two

to the areas where demonstrations are erupting and where there is violence according to activists and based on the evidence we see online and on these amateur youtube videos. what we are able to see, however, is the heart of the syrian capital. we were taken today to the old city. the mosque, the famous mosque. there we saw a small but vocal pro-assad demonstration. you had among these demonstrators a common thread that those who are responsible for the unrest and crisis in syria are the foreigners. they're foreign agents. they're even cable news channels in some cases. in fact, there was some -- one chant i found amusing, if you don't clap with us right now, your mother is qatari. let me explain that one. qatar is where al jazeera is based. this is a way for them to blame

the satellite news channel to give a negative view. one side of the story we haven't been able to see so far. and an able firsthand to see that in the capital, at least. it's still everyday life still ticks on as normal. though it's a bit quieter because there are no tourists. >> let's talk about the condemnation today by the european counsel. you know, do you think that will make any difference in the syrian government's approach to these protesters you've been seeing? >> reporter: you know, yeah, every little bit of pressure is going to have an impact. the question is, will it be a big enough impact to sort of force things to budge? and the answer, at this stage, appears to be no. however, the much longer term possibility is that because this economy is suffering, and it is suffering, there are no tourists, foreign direct

investment is going down, estimates for growth every year have been lowered. because all this is happening, those middle and merchant classes that right now are still supporting the regime or are not joining the opposition, might change sides. and so it's internally that things might change in this country, rather than from external pressure. so i don't think this is something that will be resolved in a matter of weeks, unlike egypt, for instance. >> sure. >> this is a much longer term process. things are changing. things, very significant things are going on, but the timeline appears to be much longer. >> well, i'm just glad you're able to bear witness to some of those changes. we were just sitting here in atlanta on the sofa over here predicting you might get in country the end of the summer. here we go, cnn style, we're in now. hala gorani. back home, the feds say these two men wanted to use grenades and machine guns to kill americans in one major city. cnn now has their youtube

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you know the movie "league of their own" it's about a bunch of women playing baseball and who could forget this line, this is from their coach, tom hanks. >> are you crying? there's no crying. there's no crying in baseball. >> well, there is no crying in our nation's capital last night. there was a huge game on the diamond between the bad news babes and the lady lawmakers. and guess who scored one of the runs for the media team? my friend, cnn's brianna keilar. look at her. she's already like arms crossed, i was kind of isawesome. she's stepping in for political pop today. this is washington. this game taken very, very seriously. a summer staple. talk to me about who you saw. >> reporter: it's pretty amazing this game. it brings out a lot of political heavy hitters, even just in the stands, brooke. we saw house speaker boehner,

minority leader nancy pelosi. her deputy steny hoyer. those were just the spectators. there was a huge lineup of democratic and republican female lawmakers there and check out who was there to throw out the first pitch. none other than supreme court justice sonia sotomayor. you know, she did actually a pretty good job, i have to say. she told us we needed to report on it if she threw a strike. i have to say, she ended up doing quite okay. now, the reason all these people come out, brooke, really, it's for a good cause. it benefits the young survival coalition, the top organization in the u.s. for young women 45 and under who suffer from breast cancer. a really good cause. that's why you have democrats and republicans and people from different branches of government coming out. >> let's listen to your big get. supreme court justice sotomayor. let's listen. we don't have it, i'm told. but bottom line, you were happy to be talking to her obviously.

there she was in her zebra print top throwing out the first pitch. i'm told we have it right now. then let's listen. >> i just start throwing a softball. forgive me if it's not perfect. if i throw a strike, you better report on it. >> so, bri, who won? >> reporter: i'm burying the lead on that one. that may not be an accident. i have to say, it was the lawmakers who won. they won 5-4. this was a total cliff hanger of a game. i have to tell you. because we tied things up. we were trailing. we tied things up in the sixth ins. only seven innings. we tied things up there. see that. brought it 4-4. then at the bottom of the last inning we saw our very own cnn's erica dimler. amazing catch. she kept us in there. we couldn't help it. debbie wasserman-schultz, line drive, brought in congresswoman linda sanchez for a home run.

two outs were on the board at that point, brooke. so we lost. there will be a rematch in 2012. make no mistake of it. >> i saw video earlier of a very pregnant dana bash who told me in her e-mail in 2 1/2 weeks. here she is. who was she? captain of the team? >> reporter: she was one of the captains of the team and was a captain last year as well and played. she's actually a pretty good batter. considering she's nine months pregnant, no, she did not get up to bat. a lot of people got trophies, she was awarded a onesy. i couldn't believe honestly she came out. it was such a good cause. she said nothing was going to stop her. >> it's for breast cancer awareness. the young survivor coalition. this is appropriate that this is an all-women thing and i'm sitting here nine months pregnant. >> reporter: good cause, yes, brooke, but we take this pretty seriously. we do trash talking on twitter for weeks leading up to the game. there is going to be a rematch.

the rules, i have to say, were unequal. i talked to you about this before. they said lawmakers could have four coaches, we could only have two. >> totally unfair. absolutely biased game. anti-media. clearly. we're breaking new ground with that. brianna keilar, nice moves on the diamond. thank you very pump. all right. folks, let's get right to this just in to us at cnn. the same-sex marriage bill in new york, here we go, just in from cnn's mary snow, in albany there, a source familiar with the negotiations says there is an agreement between the governor, the cuomo administration, and legislative leaders on the language on an amendment to that same-sex marriage bill regarding protection protections for religious institutions to recognize same-sex marriage. so stay tuned. as i know mary and dana garrett, a number of folks are digging on that in albany. as soon as we get anything more definitive, we'll let you know. you know, while washington has been focused on things like

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>> there you go, bruno mars. >> brooke, the team is good, but not great. that's not the clip we wanted. what we wanted was bruno mars doing james brown on the "today show." not singing that lovely love song. he actually started dancing like james brown. you got that clip? >> no. i kind of want to throw a piece of paper at the camera. >> that's not the clip we wanted. we wanted to see bruno mars doing a little james brown. >> we can only do so much. >> are you old enough to remember who james brown is? >> i'm in my 30s, blitzer. of course i remember. >> he does a great james brown. >> we do what we can, wolf. we do what we can. >> do that on monday. >> okay. what do you have coming up on your show? >> we don't have bruno mars. we obviously don't have james brown. we have a rare sit-down interview with the first lady of the united states, michelle obama. >> really? >> she sat down with our own robin kernow in south africa and opens up, talks about raising

daughters in the white house. and reflects on the memorable meeting she, sasha and malia had with the former president of south africa. that interview, the first lady of the united states, will air in the "situation room" coming up. that's pretty good, right? >> i might have seen a snippet of it. i thought maybe you had the interview. you know. >> one of those days. >> one of these days. you and i both. i'll do what i can for monday. coming up next here, casey anthony's brother, lee, he broke down in tears on the witness stand today while testifying about his sister's pregnancy. sunny hostin is on the case. talking about lee, what made him cry when he was being questioned by the defense? >> well, you know, brooke, he talked a lot about the dysfunctional secret keeping dynamic within the anthony family. he broke down when he talked about why he was not at the birth of his niece, caylee

anthony t anthony, at the hospital. take a listen to what he explain happened. >> i was very angry at my mom and i was also angry at my sister. i mean, i was just angry at everyone in general that they didn't want to include me. and didn't find it important enough to tell me, especially after i'd already asked. so i was -- i was very hurt. >> so what do we make of that? is the defense trying to show, you know, enough reasonable doubt that casey, the sister, will have to take the stand? >> you know, i think they would love, brooke, not to have casey anthony take the stand. we know she's given so many

conflicting stories. there's no question that she be skewered on cross-examination, right? the defense is certainly trying to put the family members on to show this was, indeed, a secret keeping dysfunctional family. are they going to get there? are they going to get so far to make all the promises that the defense sort of made in their opening statement come true for this jury? i don't think they get there without casey anthony on the witness stand. >> well, so today, lunch break, afterwards prosecution takes over questioning her brother, lee. were they able to clarify, lee, about his testimony earlier about casey's pregnancy? >> i don't think so. certainly they tried very hard to make -- to give some clarity to the jury. they made it very clear that he appeared now to be cooperating more with the defense than with the prosecution. take a listen to what they did. >> when your parents learned of

the pregnancy, they were very excited, weren't they? >> couldn't tell you. they didn't admit it to me. >> well, are you -- is it your testimony that from the time that you learned it till the tate of caylee's birth there was no activity in the home indicative of preparations for the birth of a child? >> not saying that at all. actually, that was one of the reasons why i was so angry and i decided not to go see my sister in the hospital was because i was not included on it and when i did ask about it one time early on, it was denied to me and i was told to let it go. so that's what i did. >> your parents were over the top about this, weren't they? >> especially afterwards. absolutely. yes, sir. >> no, even before. they were over the top. you described them as over the top. isn't that